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KDE 3.2 Release Candidate 1 Debuts
danalien writes "Before a early Feb. release of the (stable) KDE 3.2, KDE has today announced the first 'Release Candidate', and hopefully the last pre-release, for its 'Open Source graphical desktop environment for Unix workstations'. Get it from download.kde.org, or use Konstruct if you don't feel like calling configure by yourself."
GNAA Interviews CowboyNeal
by GNAA staff
On January 17 2004, select members of the GNAA interviewed CowboyNeal on IRC channel #caoine at irc.caoine.org.
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According to Google Zeitgeist, there are about 80% of Internet Explorer 6 users. The only platform supporting Internet Explorer 6 is, of course, Microsoft Windows. These statistics are consistent with the earlier presented graphs of the operating systems used to access Google, with the Windows family consistently taking the top 3 ranks. Out of remaining 20%, the split is even between MSIE 5.5, MSIE 5.0, both Windows-only browsers. Netscape 5.x (including Mozilla) counts for only a measly 5% of browsers used to access Google. As you can see from the graph, this sample was calculated starting from March 2001 until September 2003.
According to Google Zeitgeist, there are about 80% of Internet Explorer 6 users. The only platform supporting Internet Explorer 6 is, of course, Microsoft Windows. These statistics are consistent with the earlier presented graphs of the operating systems used to access Google, with the Windows family consistently taking the top 3 ranks. Out of remaining 20%, the split is even between MSIE 5.5, MSIE 5.0, both Windows-only browsers. Netscape 5.x (including Mozilla) counts for only a measly 5% of browsers used to access Google. As you can see from the graph, this sample was calculated starting from March 2001 until September 2003.
And now we return to our scheduled broadcast...
The following are select portions of the chat transcript kept by official GNAA stenographer (and Ringmusculaturis II Leader), Captain B. Dick
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GNAA Member AbdullaH introduces himself to CowboyNeal
[5:09:26] AbdullaH: Hello, Sir! My name is Abdullah Ihram Mohammad Bin Zular Krokar Tehroham Kumr, I am a TERRORIST. My father was on the first plane that crashed in the World Tarde Center. I get a boner every time CNN plays that tape. If you wish to help me in my quest for WORLD SLAVERY, please purchase a kalashnikov at your nearest kalashnikov store and HELP ME KILL ALL AMERICANS!
[5:09:29] CowboyNeal: if this is part of that jihad I keep hearing about, it's a pretty fucking lame part of it
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CowboyNeal is questioned about his feelings towards civil rights; uses both the N, and K-words
[5:21:11] timecop: CowboyNeal: do you have something against niggers?
[5:21:24] CowboyNeal: nay, some of best friends are nigs
[5:23:47] CowboyNeal: like all my kike friends too?
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GNAA Member timecop inquires about Slashdot moderation policies. CowboyNeal admits to cleaning peoples' shit up for a living.
[5:16:04] timecop: I have a problem with my slashdot account
[5:16:09] timecop: it has Karma: excellent
[5:16:10] timecop: but I post at -1
[5:16:12] timecop: WHAT THE FUCK?!
[5:16:19] CowboyNeal: yeah, sucks, don't it?
[5:16:26] CaptBDick: wow that can happen?
[5:16:41] timecop: CowboyNeal: mind to explain what the FUCK is going on?
[5:17:00] CowboyNeal: you got downmodded into oblivion at least once, and there's no second chances
[5:17:17] timecop: no, i got a better theory
[5:17:35] timecop: some nazis downmodded a bunch of my comments and set a flag to fuck all my posts
[5:17:41] timecop: because someone doesnt agree with my OPINIONS
[5:18:05] CowboyNeal: you are complaining to the janitor, not the vice principal
[5:23:08] CowboyNeal: I don't have any modpoints
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CowboyNeal admits hatred for Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, and pretends
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fp!!! suck it
It's 'Release Kandidate'. Learn to spell.
Fags.
whee !
The progress that these guys have made in 5 years and the sheer volume of quality code is simply amazing. What are these guys doing right as compared to all the other projects? They even stick to their development and release schedules better than most commercial companies. And despite everyone calling for the death of C++, KDE is the shining example of what can be accomplished in that language. I seriously doubt it could have been constructed in any other language and produce as quick and relatively error-free code as these guys have produced.
fp
a less important update...maybe a .002 release or something else of the like.
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KDE was cooked up in the same country that started both World Wars, embraced philosophies of destruction and hate (such as Nazism and Fascism), and spawned evil murderous maniacs such as Adolf Hitler.
By using KDE you are implicitly endorsing these hatemongering people and their genocidal dogmas.
A true patriot uses GNOME, written in the land of the free and the home of the brave. By using Gnome you are re-affirming your American ideals and supporting the open doctrine of truth, liberty, and pursuit of reliable software.
KDE is pretty kool. Aktually it's uber kool. I've konstantly kaught myself kakkling at their konstant play with K and K. Err.. K and K. Damn K and K... you know what i mean
Remeber the mirrors http://www.kde.org/mirrors/ftp.php Rus
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I have to also say how impressed I am with the guys developing KDE. We once picked up a bug somewhere, mailed them with the problem,ect. Within a half an hour I think, they posted a patch for that specific problem. Amazing.
Of course, I'm a bit known for tilting at windmills
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I'm sorry, but isn't this the same issue people have been complaining about for years? I'm a computer scientist with 10 years of experience, and even I wouldn't know how to do this. Sure, I could figure it out, but it would take time. Even worse, my grandmother or my mother or my brother wouldn't even really have the first idea how to make this work. But Windows just works, they'll say, so why should I stop using it?
Anyway, if one wants to upgrade, shouldn't there be a button within KDE?:
"To install the new version of KDE, go to the Start Menu, click on "Upgrade" and you're done!"
I wonder if this will truly be the year of the Linux desktop if things are still this "geeky."
I have been wanting to setup a the mirrors site for a while... however, none of the mirror sites are updated. Now that I'm looking... several of the mirror sites never even posted the KDE 3.1.5 Release.
Why doesn't this mirror correctly?
for choosing Gnome over KDE
KDE 3.2 Feature Plan
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Request are taken, just send me an e-mail, any program, or theme can be snapshoted
As Usual, KDE ROCKS
I'm positive, don't belive me look at my karma
you insensitive clod! :-(
That's nice. And appropriate, since KDE is Tougher Than Leather. :)
You are not the customer.
Who cares. KDE is dying. GNOME is the better desktop. Even freedesktop.org thinks so. So this is a big FUCK YOU to all KDE-backers. KDE can go to hell. GNOME 4-evah!
Anybody know just what is new in this version? Is it as big an upgrade from 3.1.5 to 3.2 as it was from 3 to 3.1?
Honestly, I think KDE is a technical masterpiece. It gives me a GUI which can easily be configured in pretty much every conceivable way.
GNOME, MacOS, and Windows just don't have that kind of room for personality.
I've been running KDE 3.2 built from CVS on 2004-01-14 for a week and so far, so good. This release should be nice. Now waiting for an ebuild...
It's a bit faster. I wish it would be much faster. But generally when this happens I reboot in XP for a day, then I realize that speed isn't all that counts. Prelinking helps, too.
I think I'll delete KDE 3.1.x entirely, since there is no need for it anymore.
-- Home is where you eat your heart out.
Parent post was copied word for word from one posted months ago.
i've been using KDE3.2 built from source since the early alphas. even then it was rock-solid stable with just a few rough edges. once i knew all of the workarounds, i migrated my production/work environment up to 3.2 as well, for the cool/useful features. highly recommended upgrade.
KDE has solved the environment issue but is facing an application issue. People will compare Konq to Mozilla (which has in a way become a de facto GNOME browser), but I will call Mozilla a leader here. The Gimp DESTROYS any KDE equivalent. AbiWord and OpenOffice (soon to be Gnome-ified) blow away KOffice and Gaim also triumphs over its KDE competitors. KDevelop is the only app space I know where KDE is the clear winner.
I'm a linux noobie, so could you experienced users explain the differences between KDE and GNOME? Other than minor differences in appearance, they seem pretty similar.
Sorry 'bout that.
Anything important for X11/vtwm users?
good posts deserve to be recycled
Could someone bundle these up into a torrent? It would help take the load off the ftp servers... please?
I have been using the Beta 2 (3.1.94) on some of my "non-essential" Slackware test systems for a while, and I am very satisfied. I won't upgrade all my primary systems until 3.2.x (the usual "Oops, sorry, our bad!" release), but I'll be itching con Konvert all the Fedora Gore 1 systems to Fedora Kore.
As much as I welcome this news, I look much more forward to SCO rc 1 codenamed "McBride"...in about 10-15 yrs pending good behavior (stable?)
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."
Gnome, KDE and Qt are getting more and more closely integrated on the "Linux Desktop".
Is it possible that TrollTech is just waiting for these environments to get entrenched in corporations like IBM and Oracle before dropping the legal hammer on them?
I always get called a troll when I ask this, am always told that, even at multiple X the price of MS Win2K pro and Visual Studio, Qt is a much better deal.
I don't think I'm being a troll, I think Trolltech's licensing is ambiguous at best, and a total legal nightmare at worst, just waiting to pop out and bite Linux in the ass. Not to mention that TrollTech would have a much better legal foundation than SCO, and no I don't think the price is all that great of a deal.
So it begs the question...what would be "fair" from my point of view? First off, unless something changes, a huge warning should pop up on any desktop having the Qt libraries installed. It should clearly state that commercial use of the distribution, because it has TrollTech products installed, should be reviewed carefully by a legal team. Then it should require an "Ok" response before the first boot.
This may sound harsh, but TrollTech is using a mass of truly free software to further their economic goals. Think about that--millions of lines of code, given freely by developers all over the world, and TrollTech doesn't just run on it, it's not a product you buy at BestBuy or download after punching in a credit card number--it's installed by default, lib and includes, on a "Free Software Distribution", with no warning to the installer/user whatsoever. This is WRONG!
So back to "what would be fair". Way #1 : Sell the stuff separate, at a low price for all platforms. $49 a CD (or something) would be better than $1550 per developer, per year, per platform.
If trolltech wants to continue distributing Qt Designer with free software, then either post the legal warning every thirty days or so, or else free the stuff. Sell a pro version, give away the lesser version.
Do something different than continuing to hide this legally ambiguous bit of fluff in the midst of millions of lines of truly free software.
still remember KDE as 'Kool Desktop Environment'. heh
I'd understand if this was a major release but this is a release candidate. The interested people are on the kde mailing list to know of any news.
Does anyone know how many of Apple's changes have made it into Konqueror?
It would be interesting to know how useful the Safari team's contributions have been.
KDE still bites and bites HARD compared to OS X. OS X has more applications, is faster, more secure and far more professionally developed than KDE. All it takes is about a minute of using KDE and I feel like I have to puke. Non-standard key bindings, slow as molasses response. Piss poor application selection. If KDE is the "most impressive open source project ever" than open source is pathetic. Face it guys, you may spend the rest of your life struggling with this crap, but just use OS X for 10 minutes and you too will become a true believer. Feel the power of prefessional, closed source programming, Apple OS X! Go Apple! Go OS X! Just go away, KDE.
A spectre is haunting the world, the spectre of the Linux zealot.
What the Linux zealot is will appear evident to whoever has experienced or came in contact with the discussions which daily rage the Web disguised as news, e-mails, reference material, etc. The Linux zealot, is nothing but an animal wandering unceasingly in virtual and true reality (which moreover he treats in the same way) claiming to be an authority on the Linux operating system, an out-and-out guarantor for everyone's freedom, opposed to any safeguard of intellectual works (for a Linux zealot, the expression "copyright" is tantamount to sin against the Holy Spirit: there is no kind of expiation); in fact, he champions software freedom as a fundamental point for world evolution.
But first and foremost, the Linux zealot is a deeply dangerous being as he claims to be the guardian of truth, and sees with suspicion (when it goes off well) or scorn (for the rest of cases, i.e. most of them) those people who simply think differently from him.
But what's Linux? A Linux zealot will never give an authentic answer to this kind of question. He won't, not because he doesn't want to (even if this is the case), but because this question has been answered already, somewhere else by someone else. Linux is nothing but an operating system. The Linux zealot will claim that it is a different operating system from all others. But this is not the case. Because an OS is an OS, its main function is to manage the resources of a machine we will call "computer" from now on, for comfort of description. By the term "computer" we mean what is commonly meant by this expression, i. e. the system of hardware resources which are fixed to a certain purpose, be it home use, business use, or server management. Linux is an operating system. Like Windows, MS-DOS, OS/2, etc. There is no difference, in this sense, between Linux and other operating systems. Linux manages a computer, no more, no less. So do MS-DOS, Windows and OS/2. What the Linux zealot self-importantly and arrogantly highlights, is the fact that Linux is a free operating system, i.e., it is made available free of charge to the end user. This of course isn't true at all, but the Linux Zealot believes it. Linux is freely distributable, not free of charge. This means that the kernel and everything included in the operating system's minimal requirements can be freely distributed, not that they must be distributed free of charge. This is the first great misapprehension of the Linux zealots, who find their claim challenged by facts: if the essential parts which make the operating system, and some additional software, are freely distributable, they should explain the reason of the costs -- not prohibitive but certainly notable -- of the most popular Linux distributions, Red Hat and SuSE foremost. And most of all, they should explain the fact that companies like Red Hat are regularly listed on the stock exchange, and Mr. Linux Torvalds enjoys a rather high standard of living. These benefactors of mankind, these software alternatives, these computer non-conformists (so much non-conformist as to be terribly conformist in their non-conformism) naturally justify the distributing companies' profits with excuses like "but there's a printed manual", "but the bundled software is qualitatively and numerically superior compared to the most popular distribution". "but it is easier to install" and other unspeakable nonsense. "On the other hand" they say "if someone wants Linux, they can just as easily download it from the Internet". Sure. Download it from the Internet. But how long must you stay connected, if you regularly pay an Internet bill, to complete the download of an updated version of a decent distribution of an operating system? So what? Is Linux free? No. Linux is not free, same as nothing downloaded from the Internet is free, unless you have access to an University server or can in whatever way scrounge a connection. If you ask a Linux zealot to burn the material you are interested in, he will do so with great d
Is Safari completely merged for 3.2?
How is the relationship between Apple and the
kde project?
then again, it wouldn't really be a fork. Sort of, since it has almost entirely the same code, it's just less useful and with another name. It could be called a project spork, perhaps?
GNOME exists as an offshoot of the Gimp project, so I think that blows your argument.
IMHO, what KDE needs is a better build system. The current one kinda sucks. It's so goddamn hard to compile and install a KDE app from source with all the directory requirements (all KDE apps have to be in the same --prefix if you want any advanced functionality like plugins) that makes it about impossible to build something and stow(8) it to /usr/local. No Gnome or GTK application I tried so far was so picky about it.
When something like this was possible, maybe all that stuff could be unbundled so that one could download kopete without getting the rest of the damn kdenetwork package.
Or perhaps I'm just depressed because Debian won't have 3.2 for a year or so.
Fight hunger. Filet a politician and send him to a 3rd world country of your choice.
Currently, the Qt license KDE uses will not allow it to port it to Windows, but in reality it is very much possible due to Qt's amazing portability.
Already KDE runs on Mac OS X quite well as packaged by the FINK project. Now, due to the dual license being available for Qt on Mac OS X, you can even run Konqueror, without the rest of KDE natively on it, no need for Xfree.
Anyone still packaging RPMs for Mandrake now that texstar's gone? While I'm asking, what other distros that aren't linked to by KDE have someone packaging KDE RPMs for them?
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You wonder why people allways call you a troll?
Might there be a connection?
Frosting on a cow-pie does not a cupcake make.
Currently, Konquerer spells "File" as "Location" for an unknown reason.
konstantly krashing is a pseudonym for Linux os
KDE is by far the best engineered Linux GUI, however as Bill Gates proved the best is often not good enough for widespread adoption.
With Windows all you needed was to make it cheaper than the Macintosh and stifle all possible competition. In the open source community, you need to have the best software platform (KDE already does) and it needs to be acceptable to the community.
As I mentioned, KDE is by far the cleanest, most well-designed API/Software environment for Linux; however you need to please two more sectors to win the crown...
1) Users: It needs to be easy on the eyes and easy to work in. Its already easy to work in, but for god sakes get rid of that absolutely horrific Keramic theme. It looks like something you would find on a cheap, fake computer at Toys-R-Us. Just downright awful. PLEEZ, PLEEZ, PLEEZ use 'Plastic' or the nearest equivalent in the final release. This will make the users happy. It will make KDE look as good on the outside as on the inside.
2) The general systems integration, hardware and publishing community. I believe the real reason that KDE was not chosen for UserLinux is because (stay with me here) Canopy will benefit in a major way if QT becomes the default and preferred GUI library. *Not* because Canopy controls Trolltech or the KDE guys, but because the value of their stock will increase exponentially. Think! If software developers move over to Linux, it's going to be in a C++ environment. That means they initially need to re-package their class libraries and make their apps cross-compile to Linux and Windows. That means QT and the professional level of C++ code, documentation and support.
It's not that the general community doesn't want Trolltech to get a big reward for their excellent work, but they don't want Canopy to benefit at all. Not a dime. This was probably the deciding factor.
Message to Trolltech: DUMP CANOPY goddamnit. Don't you see that they are either acting as a parasite on Trolltech to make money off of Linux in some way (they don't deserve it) or they are acting as a poison pill so that the best GUI environment can't be assimilated. This slows down Linux on the desktop considerably. By splitting the Linux development resources in half and contaminating the best GUI they force desktop Linux/Gnome to re-invent the wheels that were already invented and done better in KDE.
Dump Canopy! They don't control you, but they contaminate you. Don't worry. In the end IBM will own those shares after all of Canopy and SCO's assets are forfit to IBM and RedHat. The worst part is if Microsoft buys SCO and Canopy before the trial is over as an escape hatch. Then MS will own a chunk of you until that battle is resolved. If MS owned a chunk of TrollTech no opensource developer would touch QT with a twenty-mile cattleprod.
Dump Canopy before it's too late.
This is clearly a troll. No facts to back it up, just straight opinion and C-bashing. And believe me, I know a little something about trolls...
True story.
Can someone please explain what KDE is. Apparently it's not a window manager... So what is it? (I haven't used Linux since the days of fvwm.)
And could you please tell me how a company is supposed to dump one of its shareholders?
Funny how your picking apps that were never meant to be "Gnome" apps in the first place. These were all independant apps that were NOT built from the ground up to be Gnomified. Mozilla is the de facto "GNOME" browser? Since when? I could just as easily say "use that new neat QT wrapper thingy that makes gtk apps behave like QT apps". Who has all of the "good apps" then?
Gnome has a habit of just picking the best apps and then "adopting" them so I don't think its fair to start saying these apps are blowing away KDE counterparts. Since when can't you run Gimp, Mozilla, OpenOffice.org in KDE? You can, thus your point is moot. Try and get over the whole Gnome or KDE has better apps thingy. Be happy that you can run any of these apps easily from any Window Manager.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
Well it sure did take long enough. Remember when KDE used to be known for its speed of development?
- 2.0: 10/23/2000
- 2.1: 2/26/2001 (4 months, 3 days)
- 2.2: 8/15/2001 (5 months, 19 days)
- 3.0: 4/3/2002 (7 months, 19 days)
- 3.1: 1/28/2003 (9 months, 25 days)
- 3.2RC: 1/19/2004 (11 months, 22 days and counting)
At this rate, we won't see KDE 3.3/4.0 (whichever the next version ends up being) until April 2005!
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"The bolour supplement!"
"The colour supplement?"
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"C?"
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"A cat?"
"No, a bat."
"Can you say the letter 'K'?"
"Oh yes. Khaki, king, kettle, Kuwait, Keble Bollege Oxford."
"Why don't you use the letter 'K' instead of the letter 'C'?"
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"Kolour... Oh, that's very good, I never thought of that."
Lemon curry???
There is some movement on the SVG front, I saw in bugzilla that the SVG branch is in the process of landing on the trunk. See bug 182533 - no idea when it lands but it will be a good thing if the nigthlies pick up the modern more maintained SVG code. Does konqueror support inline SVG like mozilla (I mean SVG code within XHTML code) or does it have to be in seperate files like other images? (Really curious about konqueror's SVG support.)
First, most of these programs you mention aren't GNOME. Mozilla, Gaim, GIMP are not GNOME apps. They are plain GTK+ apps. GNOME is based on GTK+, but they are not the same thing.
And just because some GTK+ apps are better than KDE/Qt equivalents doesn't mean KDE/Qt doesn't have it's own killer apps. Quanta+ is by far the best HTML editor around, Kate is the ultimate GUI text editor, Konqueror in file manager mode beats Nautilus hands down. KMPlayer plays formats most other media players can't.
And as far as office suites go, don't discount KOffice. True, it's not as mature as OpenOffice.org, but the interface is perfect. Give it a year or two and it'll overtake OO.o and the GNOME office apps (AbiWord, Gnumeric, etc).
In fact, the only GNOME app I regularly use is Galeon (which I'm using to post this). And I'm referring to Galeon 1.2.x here...1.3.x is truly horrid, but 1.2.x rocks. And even with web browsers, the gap is closing...Konqueror isn't quite as good as Galeon 1.2.x, but it's getting there.
I do, however, use some non-GNOME GTK+ apps. I use Gaim, GIMP, Mozilla Thunderbird, and XMMS quite frequently. GTK-Gnutella and XChat are also good programs.
And even with both Qt and GTK+ being themable, Qt still just...looks better than GTK+. Qt just feels less clunky than GTK+. Don't ask me to explain it...I've tried various themes for both toolkits, and Qt always just looks better.
I support the Center for Consumer Freedom
Kommon.
Mod parent please, I am out of mod points ;)
Well, one does for sure. The ebuilds made it into Gentoo's Portage system last night.
Maybe some people will set up a bit-torrent or edonkey directory...
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and so on...
"I noticed a couple of downmods here. I was just wondering: Why is this post considered flamebait?
I ask because I don't have any NFI what QT, GTK, or Glib, or Bonobo is. Kinda wish the dude used the post button instead of a mod point."
Flamebait? That is one of the dumbest moderations I have ever seen. I hope the metamods get you.
Debian unofficial experimental packages here
/ un stable/
http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~aschultz/debian
my blog
get our bugs in now, if you have them folks!
~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
is still the weak point for me. Specifically its privacy features (or lack thereof). Until konqueror gets an ad blocking feature as sophisticated as the Mozilla "Adblock" extension, you can have my Firebird when you pry it from my cold, dead HDD.
"'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.'"
- JRR Tolkien.
Any chance of a pager where you can move the windows on the pager itself (as in enlightenment) or virtual desktops (not multiple) soon?
"The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible" - Albert Einstein
I severely doubt that Canopy's involvement swayed Bruce's decision. As he said, it's because Gnome and KDE are pretty damn close to one another in terms of functionality, at least if you consider just a simple desktop, and Gtk is LGPL and Qt is not. In other words, easier to develop commercial products for Gnome. No, the irony of that is not lost on me :)
Personally, I'm a KDE fan. Gnome just doesn't match up to it, in my opinion. As as a coder who's poked about with both systems, Qt is so, so much ahead of Gtk, and KDE put better together as a whole. Which is sorta nice to know.
However, as long as Gnome and KDE get more compatable with one another, I'm hardly one to complain. Open source software isn't much pressured by commericalism, so we don't have a Windows vs. Mac scenario. Applications can be easily used on both platforms. There's no lock in. And the more the two projects cooperate with one another, the happier everyone will be.
Look at all this wasted energy on splitting efforts and causing pointless competition. Now instead of having one hugely powerful desktop with the best of both worlds, we get these silly rivalries, when Linux really needs to pull its shit together and back one superior project. Even Linus thinks it'll be another 5 to 10 years. Why haven't people combined projects yet?
Mozilla Firebird runs wonderfully under KDE (which is how I can bring you this wonderful message) and OpenOffice does, too. Last time I checked, neither were part of the Gnome core applications.
The part about Gimp is obviously true, and I would add that -- as far as I understand it -- the best stable video cutting software on Linux, Kino, is Gnome-based despite the name, too.
Please, there is enough FUD in the world without adding to it from the inside.
are there any screenshots of 3.2 anywhere? is the look and feel any different? the kde.org site doesn't seem to have any yet.
Oh, fuck off! Have you not read the stupid flame wars on this subject? Canopy is an investment group with investments in a lot of companies before the SCO stuff even started. They have about 4-5% in Trolltech - the rest is owned by Trolltech employees. So yer. They have total control over Trolltech. Must be that mind-control stuff they have.
That Linus and *I* still prefer fvwm...