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Locus 2003 Recommended Reading List

Embedded Geek writes "Locus magazine has published its 2003 Recommended Reading List of science fiction, fantasy, and related titles. With nearly 300 entries, it's a safe bet that even the most voracious reader will find something new. Personally, I was delighted to see Hitchhiker: A Biography of Douglas Adams under non-fiction and the great listing of short fiction (so I can mine my old magazines for the gems). If you're more of a completist, check out Locus'es exhaustive listings (continued here and here). Definitely worth downloading to your PDA for your next trip to the bookstore."

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  1. Top Fantasy Title by Megaslow · · Score: 5, Funny

    "SCO's Claim to ownership of Linux"

    1. Re:Top Fantasy Title by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 0

      "SCO's Claim to ownership of Linux"

      Well no, the claim is real. The title you're referring to I think is "D-Day: The Day Darl Killed IBM".

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      "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
  2. Lots of Catching Up to do by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Pretty sad, I've only got 2 out of the whole list, and I'm a voracious reader, though apparently not of their list.

    Monstrous Regiment: OK, but not his best

    Wee Free Men: Better than MR
    (pTerry's next book, A Hat Full of Sky will be out in a couple months.)

    Hitchhiker: A Biography of Douglas Adams, M.J. Simpson (Hodder & Stoughton; Justin Charles & Co.)

    Not sure I'd read this, I took a swing at Salmon of doubt but didn't find much interesting I hadn't already seen before in there. A good read from a while back, and recently re-issued in hardcover: Don't Panic: Douglas Adams & the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

    I picked a paperback copy up in Cambridge, ten years ago and found it a great read.

    (Currently reading The Soong Dynasty (non-fiction) by Sterling Seagrave, alternately with The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (fiction) by Robt. Heinlein, interesting combination as both address revolutions.)

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    1. Re:Lots of Catching Up to do by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

      They forgot to include the never-published Orwell novel : 1984 -- 20 years later

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      "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    2. Re:Lots of Catching Up to do by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Pretty sad, I've only got 2 out of the whole list

      Don't fear. I haven't read any of the 2003 novels and I'm the guy who submitted the article. I find I read mostly short fiction these days: I was happy to see so many short stories from F&SF, the only magazine to which I currently subscribe. Between it, Black Gate (which I highly and selfishly recommend - see below), my day job, and my own writing, I only read 2-3 novels a year. I'm still going through 2002 paperbacks, but the Locus list will be handy come (say) June.

      Shameless plug: If you want to find something that's got shorter fiction and you can find it at Borders, my first professional sale is in Black Gate #6 and excerpted here.

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      "Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."

    3. Re:Lots of Catching Up to do by toganet · · Score: 1

      Read your excerpt -- nice work, made me want to read more. Here's a question you may not want to answer, but how many rejections did you suffer before your first sale? (Asking as a fellow writer).

    4. Re:Lots of Catching Up to do by Stormie · · Score: 1

      (pTerry's next book, A Hat Full of Sky will be out in a couple months.)

      ..and it will be much the same as the last couple of dozen Discworld books.

    5. Re:Lots of Catching Up to do by Uncle+Barnard's+Star · · Score: 1

      For my sci-fi fare, I trust more the judgement of real readers than of professional reviewers or editors. I go to a used books store and look for the most dogeared sci-fi novel. A sci-fi novel might be stylish, but is it readable beyond the brooding first chapter? (It's okay for a "short" story to be unreadable.) If I want a "literary" novel, I'll just reread James Joyce (or any of the Booker Prize winners). I want my sci-fi novels to be readable rather than simply reviewable.

    6. Re:Lots of Catching Up to do by Dusabre · · Score: 1

      [i]Don't fear. I haven't read any of the 2003 novels and I'm the guy who submitted the article. I find I read mostly short fiction these days: I was happy to see so many short stories from F&SF, the only magazine to which I currently subscribe. Between it, Black Gate [blackgate.com] (which I highly and selfishly recommend - see below), my day job, and my own writing, I only read 2-3 novels a year.[/i]

      And you're not ashamed of the fact that you read only 2-3 novels a year? Hell, I read 2-3 a week and still can't get enough. Do you have any idea of how much quality reading there is out there? How many stunning new writers there are out there? Every time I pick up a quality sci-fi book (not of the David Weber variety), I finish it sad with the thought that it'll be a while before I read another one as good as it and then a week later, Amazon delivers another book that excites me with its storyline, stuns me with its broad scope, educates me with its hard science and enlightens me on human nature...

      And you're a writer?

      Some advice - Read books on the train, in the car, in the crapper, in bed, while waiting for your computer to load, between sex and sleep, read all the time...

      The more you read, the better your own stuff will become.

    7. Re:Lots of Catching Up to do by Eisenstein · · Score: 1

      Which is what like?

  3. Douglas Adams is quite wonderful by Srividya · · Score: 1

    I purchased his complete works in ASCII format at the market a year ago for 50 rupees. The "Hitchiker's Guide" series is very very funny though I have yet to finish all of the cd.

    1. Re:Douglas Adams is quite wonderful by segment · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's quite a deal you ended up getting at 50 rupees. Would you like to sell your guide to me for 2,678,600.00 Turkish liras? That should definitely be enough for you to be able to purchase yourself some nice Star Trek phaser replicas there guy.

    2. Re:Douglas Adams is quite wonderful by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

      The "Hitchiker's Guide" series is very very funny though I have yet to finish all of the cd.

      I can understand you're a slow reader, those ascii characters must be awfully hard to read, printed circularly in binary format on a 12cm CD...

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      "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    3. Re:Douglas Adams is quite wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he is so wonderful, why is he dead?

    4. Re:Douglas Adams is quite wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
      If he is so wonderful, why is he dead?

      Probably for the same reason you're still alive. The galaxy is a cruel cruel place.

    5. Re:Douglas Adams is quite wonderful by toganet · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Hey, this is a guy who writes masterful C++, remember.

    6. Re:Douglas Adams is quite wonderful by RebelWithoutAClue · · Score: 1
      Hey!!!!

      Dont go around calling girls 'guy', they're rare enough on slashdot as it is .... :P

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      "However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results" - Winston Churchill
    7. Re:Douglas Adams is quite wonderful by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Ha, I raise the bid to 5,000,000 kopins!

    8. Re:Douglas Adams is quite wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not too bad a price, but still, wouldn't the blue bracelet or even a power shield have been a wiser investment? Even a few bombs would be helpful, since you could then find the hidden areas which contain more rupees as prizes, assuming you could get past the enemies, etc. (I always seemed to get the white sword and maybe even the blue bracelet before I even went in the first dungeon, but that's just me...)

      Anyhow, what did this book do in the game? I've played Zelda through a number of times, but I don't remember ever getting a copy of the Hitchiker's Guide anywhere? Was there some kind of secret code for it, or? Maybe I should go look it up on GameFAQs.com or something...

    9. Re:Douglas Adams is quite wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shutup! ya girl!

    10. Re:Douglas Adams is quite wonderful by Bullet-Dodger · · Score: 1

      I'll give you 1 Triganic Pu, if you're willing to accept it in Ningis.

  4. Locus, loci. Virus, Viri by ObviousGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is a great reading list. In fact, I've read my fair share of these books and can vouch for the quality.

    I wasn't particularly impressed with the Douglas Adams biography, personally, but Adam's book itself (not released this year) is extraordinary.

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  5. I see 'Young-Adult' and 'First Novels' by Shut+the+fuck+up! · · Score: 0, Troll

    But where is the 'Adult' section.

  6. Too bad Doug Adams died young by andy666 · · Score: 0

    He was a risk taker though, and clearly scuba diving is dangerous if you have emphasema (sp?).

    1. Re:Too bad Doug Adams died young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's obnoxious, you make it sound like it was his fault.

    2. Re:Too bad Doug Adams died young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You idiot, can't you spell ? Its emphazema.

  7. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to read all those books? Is that what they are recommending?

  8. one up that by segment · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Windows -- Securing the world for the next Millooneyum"

  9. Groundhog Day II by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny
    Groundhog Day II

    Teaser:

    One February morning, Dick Cheney emerges from his bunker, to see his own shadow - which means six more months of war...

    The scenario repeats itself, with the morning started anew each day, until Dick learns to keep his eyes off the ground, and fixed on "the light at the end of the tunnel."

    Capsule review:

    The best traditions of Michael Moorcock and Norman Spinrad meet those of Michael Moore and Norman Schwartzkopf.

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
    1. Re:Groundhog Day II by Basehart · · Score: 1

      "The best traditions of Michael Moorcock..."

      Strange you should mention him.

      I finished reading Neal Stephenson's epic Quicksilver a few weeks ago (only took me about three months) and Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere (which took about three days), both of which reminded me of a Moorcock book I once read.

      It was part of the Hawkmoon series I think, maybe one of the Count Brass books.

      It included vivid descriptions of an alternate London packed to the brim with total insanity, rampant debauchery and flagrant misuse of the sexual organs.

      Amazing stuff.

      And then, just this morning while sat on the toilet reading Rolling Stone, I saw a picture of Lemmy (who used to be in Hawkwind with Michael Moorcock) with Dave Grohl.

      I'm sure it all means something, but for the life of me I don't quite know what.

    2. Re:Groundhog Day II by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Funny

      Minor resonant fluctuations in the multiverse...
      Normal stuff.

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
  10. Small Tribute to DNA by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Informative
    He was a risk taker though, and clearly scuba diving is dangerous if you have emphasema (sp?).

    He died, IIRC, after a basketball game. Ruptured aorta, I think. Something that happens to tall people on occasion and Douglas was 6'4" (also, IIRC)

    I did have the great fortune to meet him (and Terry Jones) at a reading (Startship Titanic) in Larkspur, CA several years ago. A truly entertaining fellow to listen to. I wonder how much recorded, documentary style footage there is of him.

    One thing I'll pass along, and pardon me for not wording it exactly as he had: WWW has to be the longest to pronounce, as an acronym of what it stands for. Double-U-Double-U-Double-U, that's 9 syllables, while World Wide Web has only 3. Why don't they call it something shorter, like Triple-U?

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    1. Re:Small Tribute to DNA by Minwee · · Score: 1

      They couldn't call it "Triple-U" because there are three double-Us. "Sex-U" would be more appropriate.

    2. Re:Small Tribute to DNA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The story I heard was that he got drunk and climbed on top of Stone Henge and fell off, breaking his neck.

    3. Re:Small Tribute to DNA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really hope you get anal warts and get busted fapping to horse porn.

    4. Re:Small Tribute to DNA by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      http://web.slashdot.org/

      Same amount of keystrokes, but eight less syllables.

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      "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
    5. Re:Small Tribute to DNA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why the hate? Does your stepdad get drunk and touch you?

      I hope so. Fuck off and die.

    6. Re:Small Tribute to DNA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why don't they call it something shorter, like Triple-U?


      Triple-U is already a letter, just not one our brains are programmed for.

      But then, believing that would not just be believing Grant Morrison in general, but The Invisibles in particular. Surely everyone knows how dangerous that can be.
    7. Re:Small Tribute to DNA by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      http://web.slashdot.org/
      Same amount of keystrokes, but eight less syllables.

      http://slashdot.org works and is what browsers seem to remember.

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  11. completist? by bomb_number_20 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wasn't aware 'completist' was a word...

    That is to say- I couldn't find a meaningition in my language-iser.

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    That's ok, Jesus likes me anyway.
    1. Re:completist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      From the Merriam Webster Collegiate, 11th Edition:

      Main Entry: completist
      Function:noun
      Date:1951

      : one who wants to make something (as a collection) complete

    2. Re:completist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I wasn't aware 'completist' was a word..."

      I don't know why. It's a perfectly cromulent word.

    3. Re:completist? by bomb_number_20 · · Score: 1

      Just to play devils advocate, I don't think you can really use a 53 year old collegiate dictionary as an authoritative source for this word. Here is a link about that very subject. Here is a small snippet from the story:

      'At one time, a "gazette" was a low value coin which could purchase a newspaper. Today, the meaning of "a certain coin" has disappeared.'

      Things change. Perceptions change. Words, although seemingly immutable, change over time as a reflection of the people who use them. Some words fall into disfavor (fag) and others disappear completely. I'm willing to bet the dictionary of 50 years ago is probably quite different than a modern one.

      As to which is more 'correct', I couldn't say. After all, we Americans can't even tell the difference between lose and loose anymore ;)

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      That's ok, Jesus likes me anyway.
    4. Re:completist? by tieke · · Score: 1

      Surely the definition from a 53 year old dictionary is perfectly acceptable if there are no alternative definitions? As for a recent dictionary, you can check it out right no in the current COD

    5. Re:completist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      presumably they're american, so if its not in Websters, its not a word.

      I know, I know - broad sweeping generalisation. apologies to those offended.

    6. Re:completist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a 53 year old dictionary. It's the newest edition, released one year ago. The date referred to is the first known usage of the word. Thus, it's a 53 year old word.

    7. Re:completist? by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      If usage is the decisive thing in the meaning of words, as your link says, then 'completist' is perfectly valid as I use it and see it used quite often.

      e.g., I used to be a Smashing Pumpkins completist until their last album.

  12. I dunno... by cujo_1111 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As a self confessed nerd, I have never been able to really get into all these science fiction novels that are mentioned on slashdot. I try reading them but never finish them as I find the stories trite on the most part. 2001 is the ultimate piece of science fiction for me. I also liked Robinson's Red Mars, Green Mars and Blue Mars.

    Can anyone recommend an interesting and thought provoking piece of science fiction? The Locus list is 300 long and I want a narrower target than that.

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    1. Re:I dunno... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have never been able to really get into all these science fiction novels that are mentioned on slashdot.

      Well, most science fiction is crap. Just like most of everything is crap. Since most people can't tell the difference, chances are that a crap book will get reviewed on Slashdot much more frequently than a decent book.

    2. Re:I dunno... by kfg · · Score: 4, Informative

      David Brin's "Glory Season" is about as thought provoking as they come. It has it's flaws, since Brin was more focused on the ideas than keeping the story consistent, but provokation of thought is what you're after and this one will do the job.

      Ursula LeGuin's "The Dispossesed" and "The Left Hand of Darkness." Humanist philosophy at it's best. LeGuin is the master of exploring humanist themes in story without getting preachy, letting the characters and the story bring out the points she wishes to illustrate. I wish more writers would follow her example. "The Lathe of Heaven" is the work that really brought her fame, less mature in style than the previous two but definately worth the read.

      Harlen Ellison's classic anthologies "Dangerous Visions" and "Again Dangerous Visions." Collections of short stories written specifically for the anthology (not collected from other sources) with the express intent of publishing short works that could not find publication in the usual places.

      Somewhat more subtle than the previous, but Roger Zelazney's "Lord of Light" is worth a read. Besides being an excellent story it explores themes of individual freedom set against an immortal oligarchy, cast ( as it were) in the framework of Hinduism vs. Buddhism.

      If nothing else none of the above are particularly trite.

      KFG

    3. Re:I dunno... by Ronny+Cook · · Score: 1
      Almost anything by Greg Egan - "Distress" and "Permutation City" being my personal favourites, but his short work as well.

      He has a habit of taking a concept and running with it... and the concepts he chooses to run with tend to be on the edges of modern physics.

      You may not *like* his work, which is deeply weird sometimes, but you'll get a workout reading it.

      ...Ronny

    4. Re:I dunno... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting


      Somewhat more subtle than the previous, but Roger Zelazney's "Lord of Light" is worth a read. Besides being an excellent story it explores themes of individual freedom set against an immortal oligarchy, cast ( as it were) in the framework of Hinduism vs. Buddhism.


      One of my favorite passages from _Lord of Light_ is where Sam talks about the difference between submitting to the "unknowable" (religion) or choosing the path of reason. There are these creatures that look and act like demons. In fact, they fit the definition of "demon" in all ways except for one crucial thing: they are not supernatural. One character thinks that this distinction is academic (looks like a duck, acts like a duck) but Sam explains that to admit that the creatures are supernatural would be to submit to fantasy.

    5. Re:I dunno... by ninejaguar · · Score: 2, Informative
      The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradbury

      Araminta Station (and its sequels) by Jack Vance

      Emphyrio by Jack Vance

      To Live Forever by Jack Vance

      Planet of Adventure by Jack Vance

      Tales of the Dying Earth By Jack Vance. Just keep this in mind when reading this oddly beautiful, highly amusing, and often wistfully melancholic collection: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke

      Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke

      Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke

      Gateway (and sequels) by Frederik Pohl

      Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delany

      The Fall of The Towers by Samuel R. Delany

      Stars In My Pocket Like Grains Of Sand by Samuel R.Delany

      Protector by Larry Niven

      The Mote In God's Eye by Larry Niven/Jerry Pournelle

      Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons

      The Many-Colored Land (and sequels) by Julian May

      Earthclan by David Brin

      Demu Trilogy by F.M. Busby

      THE FOREVER WAR by Joe Haldeman

      Anything from Gene Wolfe, Clifford D. Simak, Ray Bradbury, Roger Zelazny (by himself), Samuel R. Delany (you'll learn as you read his works) or Philip K. Dick will make you think. But, Jack Vance can outwit them all!

      Good eating!

      = 9J =

    6. Re:I dunno... by miu · · Score: 1
      Can anyone recommend an interesting and thought provoking piece of science fiction? The Locus list is 300 long and I want a narrower target than that.

      Since you mentioned KSR's Mars books I'll suggest "The Years of Rice and Salt" - an alternate history by KSR. Some worthwhile classic short SF by Robert Silverberg and Phillip K. Dick is being reprinted and some of that is very interesting stuff: "The Man in the High Castle" and "Dying Inside" being two of the best.

      The fact that the Locus list contains books by Terry Brooks and Stephen Baxter means that I would never base my reading on their list.

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      [Set Cain on fire and steal his lute.]
    7. Re:I dunno... by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      Okay, first things first - any gamer geek must read Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game. Easily one of the greatest sci-fis ever.

      Now, for more info, depends what you're after. Personally, I think Niven's short story anthologies are a great place to start for slightly oddball, thought-provoking hard sci-fi. Be wary of his novels, as he has a tendency to work with a feudalistic lunatic named Jerry Pournelle who's acidic political views have soured many novels (but they've also conglomerated on some freaking spectacular ones too). Good Niven/Pournelle pairings
      - Footfall (classic alien invasion epic)
      - The Mote in God's Eye and The Gripping Hand (2-part telling of the ultimate alien first-contact story that knocks the socks off of the average Star Trek treatment)
      - Lucifer's Hammer (the old "asteroid wipes out civilization" except it follows a cast of characters all the way from first sighting of the comet through to the start of a new civlization).

      Brin's Uplift series is spectacular, but start with the second book (Startide Rising). The first book is ignorable.

      Read Gibson. The original Cyberpunk is Neuromancer, and its superior but oft-ignored sequel, Count Zero. For more Cyberpunk in a cynical, comic-book style (and very relevant for our consumeristic new millenium) is Neil Stephenson's Snow Crash.

      Honestly, if you have to pick 2 books and are looking for a good mix of a wild ride and intelligent story, I'd suggest Snow Crash and Ender's Game. If you want a short novel series, then Brin's Uplift is where its at. If you want good shorts, go for Niven.

      All of these books are just old enough to be piling up at your used bookstore, so you can just hop there on the cheap.

    8. Re:I dunno... by Wun+Hung+Lo · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget Alfred Bester's work, especially "The Demolished Man" and "The Stars My Destination". He had a wonderful knack of imagining not necessarily new technology, but what effects technology would have on society.

      John Brunner's "Stand on Zanzibar" is a must-read. It's scary how closely our present matches his book (written in 1967, if I remember correctly). The only thing he was completely off on was no global computer network, instead there were a couple of super-mainframes. Although, another of his books, "The Shockwave Rider", was, again if I remember correctly, the first book to mention computer virii.

      For something more recent, "Mirrorshades: The Cyberpunk Anthology" has some cool stories.

      Warning: If someone recommends that you read Star Trek movie novelizations, run in the other direction...!!

    9. Re:I dunno... by fantastic-cat · · Score: 1

      Of the Sci-fi books on the list I enjoyed Tricia Sulivan's 'Maul' and 'Quicksilver' by Neal Stephenson (mind you putting this pook in Sci-Fi is stetching the genre definition quite some distance) . If you're a fan of Authur C Clarke you may enjoy Stephen Baxters work, the collection of short stories 'Vacuum Diagrams' is a good place to start.

    10. Re:I dunno... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want something thought-provoking, try out 'The Sparrow' by Mary Doria Russel. It was one of the most disturbing and intriguing books I've read in years. A hard look at the consequences of interaction without understanding, and at the price of faith. Powerful stuff.

  13. A Pretty Sad List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heavy on "Lit'rature" and not much on books to be read for fun or entertainment. I note that not one of the fourteen books from Baen that made 2003 a year to remember in my reading is mentioned.

    And pretty much the lot from publishers who insist that, if they deign to sell you any of these as an e-book that it be encrypted with DRM and sold at hardcover prices.

    *sigh* Looks like we'll need to start a fund to get seeing-eye dogs for the Locus panel.

    1. Re:A Pretty Sad List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C'mon. As a fan you must know how fractious SF is.

      Besides, any snooty SF lit'rature fan knows that Baen is an adolescent pulphouse fit only for fascist warmongers like Heinlein and Flint. Oh, jeez, laugh. I'm only playing.

      At any rate, I'm glad that you found 14 books (from anywhere) that entertained you this year. My guess is that most of them gave you pause for thought as well, and that is part of the sensawunda that muggles will never know.

    2. Re:A Pretty Sad List by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      Heavy on "Lit'rature" and not much on books to be read for fun or entertainment.

      I haven't read many of the books on the list, but your characterization certainly doesn't apply to Jon Courtenay Grimwood's highly entertaining "Fellaheen."

  14. Is the.... by brad-d · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is the Locus 2003 Recommended Reading List on the list? Because it's pretty long and I don't want to read it all if it's not on the recommended list.

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    -Brad
  15. Cool.. by Darken_Everseek · · Score: 3, Informative

    Glad to see the Tad Williams book up there; it was excellent.

    Another series by the same author that I'd highly recommend (especially to this crowd) is the "Otherland" series; four books long (and I do mean long.)

    It set in the future, and raises some interesting points about the possible future of the internet, VR, and gaming technologies.

    1. Re:Cool.. by Mmmrky · · Score: 1

      I second the parent. Otherland is quite an undertaking, but well worth it. The series does an excellent job of combining politics, economics, technology, and my favorite, mythology.

      You won't find better written sci-fi.

  16. Sucession by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm currently reading the second part of that story (It really is one long story. It ends in a cliffhanger of sorts). I'm glad to see it make that list, it is really good.

    It may be one of the first "modern" sci-fi stories. Namely that it plays forward some familiar themes from today, and not just 60 years ago. (It seemed to me that science ficition for the most part was stuck in WWII/Cold War logic). One main part of the books is how immortality begets laziness...and how intellectual property plays into that. (One of the main characters, a Senator, is in the middle of a centuries long fillibuster of even more strict IP rules.)

    As well, the idea of micro-combat instead of macro-combat is extremly interesting and well done.

    It really is a must read.

    1. Re:Sucession by NixLuver · · Score: 1
      Surely that was sarcasm and you were aware that the original post said "Immortality leading to laziness" not 'immorality' leading to 'laziness' (or verse vica), right?

  17. Missing Books by Meneudo · · Score: 1

    I'm suprised that they didn't have any Math or Science novels in there. Some of the best books I have read this year have dealt with these subjects. Of course, this classifies me as a nerd.

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    1. Re:Missing Books by Bagels · · Score: 1

      Math/science *novels*? Do you mean "popular science" books like the works of Sagan and Hawking, or novels that attempt to teach or promote math and science (such as Flatterland or The Number Devil) in a true story format?

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      --- Bwah?
  18. Re:You don't download TO something! by Pedersen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ya know, I used to think the same way, until I started working where I do now. Here, we download alarm panels. Which is to say that we dial in, and send in the programming which makes the alarm panel actually know what zones to monitor, etc. It took me a while before I finally wrapped my brain around the fundamental issue: From whose perspective is the download being done? From mine, it's an upload. From the technician on the scene, it's a download. And what is the technician asking for? A download. Hence, why we use this (seemingly backwards) definition that we do.

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  19. Formulaic Writing? by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 3, Funny

    There used to be a number of good books out there but in light of Excel's dominance of the market, it's hard to find any good book on Locus 1-2-3.

    (Personally, I tended to favored Lotus Improv anyway.)

  20. Re:You don't download TO something! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean I can't download TO my home directory?

  21. Completist? - Mea Culpa by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 2, Informative
    First: Yes, I'm lurking. I always do when I get an article up on slashdot.

    On to business: When I submitted the article, I wanted to use the word, but found (as you did) that it does not appear to be defined anywhere (I was actually trying to check the spelling). In checking around, though, I saw that nevertheless it was being used.

    So, like a good little sheep, I caved into peer pressure and used it. No doubt, my English teachers would be ashamed of me ("Hey, all the cool kids are saying 'completist'. You should, too. The first one is free, you know...")

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    1. Re:Completist? - Mea Culpa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember something my English professor once told the class.

      A word is considered added to the language (US dictionary) when it's used on the front page of The New York Times

      A search of the site reveals its use. I doubt it's front page material though.

    2. Re:Completist? - Mea Culpa by bomb_number_20 · · Score: 1

      It seems to be a term created by and for obsessive collectors. Would that make it more suitable for a slang dictionary?

      I found this in my original search... I went through the same process as you, though, and discarded it for exactly the same reason: it didn't seem to be defined as a real word by any authoritative source. I think it's interesting that, despite this fact, I pretty much knew what the word meant just by its usage; and that it seems like it ought to be a word.

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  22. Lokus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Locus magazine sounds like Lokus magazine, and Lokus is WC in german... :)

  23. If your going to anal at least be right. by pavon · · Score: 1

    Downloading simply implies that that there is a client/server relationship - you download from the server to the client. So saying you downloaded something onto your computer is perfectly valid, because it is implicit that it is from a server.

    The submitter may very well have a PDA that can connect to the internet, in which case what he said is perfectly valid. Even in the case where you have to download from the server onto your computer and then sync to your PDA, the usage is still not that far off.

  24. Re:MY COWORKER by snatchitup · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You pay her to leave. And promise a little more a month later if she leaves you alone.

    Really, this works. You don't need a lawyer, etc.

  25. Asimov's, F&FS, and Analog by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Approximately 30 of the novellas, novelettes, and short stories on the list were published in Asimov's, approximately 20 were published in F&SF, and only one was published in Analog.

    Yet, of those three magazines, Analog is the only one I find consistently good enough to subscribe to.

    I wish they would publish a list of things they they recommend against reading...I suspect that would fit better with my tastes. :-)

    1. Re:Asimov's, F&FS, and Analog by wmspringer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was about to complain that I don't hold that list to be very useful since it doesn't seem to include any stories from Analog, which is the only one I subscribe to also. I used to subscribe to Asimov's, but I didn't like a lot of what they were publishing; Analog seems to be perfectly matched to my tastes.

    2. Re:Asimov's, F&FS, and Analog by st.+augustine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stan Schmidt (the editor of Analog), Gardner Dozois (Asimov's), and Gordon van Gelder (F&SF) have fairly different tastes. If you're into "hard SF" -- something really defined by style as much as by content -- you're going to get more of that from Analog than you are from either of the other two.

      I do get the feeling the Locus staff's tastes don't run that way, though; if yours do, you might find a reviews site like Tangent Online more useful -- not that all their reviewers are into Analog-style stuff, but some of them are, and most of the time their reviewers' biases are fairly clear.

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  26. Nothing really unexpected... by SetarconeX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Looking over the list quickly, there aren't a whole lot of surprises here. The usual crop of perennial big authors are here, (Neal Stephenson, Greg Bear, Orson Scott Card, William Gibson) and even many of the lesser authors are familiar to anyone who even occasionally reads Asimov's or Analog.

    The problem here is that the list is so massive, there's actually almost no point to it. There's no plot descriptions whatsoever attached to the list, just a link to elsewhere.

    If you're going to recommend a book, I think whoever a book is being recommended to deserves at least a brief explanation of "WHY?" I know that's difficult for a long list like this, but just a sentence or two would be nice, not just a links leading eventually to Amazon.

    BTW: I'm finding Greg Bear's latest series a tad scientifically iffy, and his characters unbearably (no pun intended) flat and boring. The new William Gibson book, on the other hand, has enough of his signiture sarcastic view of mass-media to be entertaining, but that's just my humble opinion. Go read your own books.

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    1. Re:Nothing really unexpected... by Beolach · · Score: 2
      The problem here is that the list is so massive, there's actually almost no point to it. There's no plot descriptions whatsoever attached to the list, just a link to elsewhere.

      If you're going to recommend a book, I think whoever a book is being recommended to deserves at least a brief explanation of "WHY?" I know that's difficult for a long list like this, but just a sentence or two would be nice, not just a links leading eventually to Amazon.
      I actually disagree. Most I don't like book recommendations with a plot summary or review, because of a few reasons. First off most reviews are positive for Capitalistic reasons (This book is great! Give us your money so you can read it!), which makes me a little untrustworthy of them. Even when the reviews are from unbiased reviewers, I usually have my own opinion about what I read, and all to often it differs from the reviewers, so their review was not really helpful. And it's even worse if they have a plot summary: either it doesn't tell you anything and was pointless to include a plot summary, or else they give too much away and ruin the book.

      What I actually like to do to find new books is to get recommendations from people I trust to have similar likes as me: my friends and family, and some few online & magazine reviewers. And because I trust that I will like the books they recommend I don't need or want a review or plot summary. And I am very rarely disappointed.
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    2. Re:Nothing really unexpected... by Elysdir · · Score: 1

      You can find some reviews of works on the list, plus other related info, at various places on the Locus Online site. For example:

      Book and Magazine Reviews Index (last updated Nov. '03)

      Claude Lalumiere's Best SF and Fantasy Books of 2003

      The Best Books of 2003 Tally provides info on which (and how many) year's-best lists various books were listed on; may give you a little more info than the combined lists, though the sources are different for this list.

      Also note that the 2003 Book Directory doesn't link only to Amazon; it also provides links to reviews when such are available online.

    3. Re:Nothing really unexpected... by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      The problem here is that the list is so massive, there's actually almost no point to it. There's no plot descriptions whatsoever attached to the list, just a link to elsewhere.

      I appreciate these annual summaries. I'm sure that you'll find many reviews of these books in last year's issues of Locus, if you want the details. Locus is mainly a review journal.

    4. Re:Nothing really unexpected... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem here is that the list is so massive, there's actually almost no point to it. There's no plot descriptions whatsoever attached to the list, just a link to elsewhere. If you're going to recommend a book, I think whoever a book is being recommended to deserves at least a brief explanation of "WHY?" I know that's difficult for a long list like this, but just a sentence or two would be nice, not just a links leading eventually to Amazon.

      They keep that for the print edition customers. I haven't checked this year's issue yet, but each reviewer gets a page or so (of fairly small text) to explain his or her choices. Suffice to say, it usually takes a while to get through all the comments - but it's usually worth it. This issue is one of the few I read cover-to-cover.

  27. Quite a few I have not heard of but.... by MeanE · · Score: 4, Informative

    Quite a few authors I have not read...and me being a fantasy addict....

    "The Crystal City, Orson Scott Card (Tor)"

    I am actually just now reading though this series. I sometimes can't believe just how deep he seems to build this alternative look at america. I admit I am just finishing the third book but I am hooked already.

    "The War of the Flowers, Tad Williams (DAW)"

    I don't know how Tad ever got the chance to write. His first book was about cats, it was not very good and he even mentions that it took forever to find someone to publish it. He then went on to write his great Memory, Sorrow and Thorn series...and then on to his amazing Sci-Fi Otherworld series. The War of flowers was good but not as amazing as his last series.

    "Fool's Fate, Robin Hobb (Voyager; Bantam Spectra 2004)"

    I did not even know the third one was out (or is it?..a quick check of chapters seems to think not, in my local stores...if it is I better get to the book store fast!). If you have any interest in the fantasy genre then you have to go give these a read NOW! Each book she publishes seem to get better and better with no end in sight. I often find that many authors seem to hit their "peak" and then taper off (Hey I am looking at you Robert Jordan) but that is just not the case here.

    And just to ruin my many image (please oh please don't let anyone I know find this post), she was the first author to actually make me cry while reading one of her books...(shhhh don't tell).

    Thats all I have read (well kinda) off that list.

    1. Re:Quite a few I have not heard of but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Fool's Fate, Robin Hobb (Voyager; Bantam Spectra 2004)"

      I did not even know the third one was out (or is it?..a quick check of chapters seems to think not, in my local stores...


      It's been out several months now...

    2. Re:Quite a few I have not heard of but.... by Beolach · · Score: 1
      "The Crystal City, Orson Scott Card (Tor)"

      I am actually just now reading though this series. I sometimes can't believe just how deep he seems to build this alternative look at america. I admit I am just finishing the third book but I am hooked already. Unfortunatly, I would say you're in for a disappointment. Card decided he was done with the series after the 3rd or 4th book, but because the plot line for the series wasn't anywhere close to being resolved Card recieved so muchfan mail asking for me that he wrote more. This is a very bad reason to write books, and from Heartfire on the series is nowhere near as good as it started. "The War of the Flowers, Tad Williams (DAW)"

      I don't know how Tad ever got the chance to write. His first book was about cats, it was not very good and he even mentions that it took forever to find someone to publish it. He then went on to write his great Memory, Sorrow and Thorn series...and then on to his amazing Sci-Fi Otherworld series. The War of flowers was good but not as amazing as his last series.
      I agree. My one big beef with Tad Williams is his inability to actually kill one of his characters. It's the one really annoying thing, and it's in all of his books. I mean give me break, if someone gets their throat ripped out by a dog, they are NOT goint to wakeup, in an ambulance or any where else. Orlando in Otherland is the only one that was done right. Prince What's-his-name from Memory, Sorrow and Thorn, everyone other than Orlando in Otherland, and Tinkerbell in War of the Flowers all should have stayed dead. It got really cheesy really fast.
      "Fool's Fate, Robin Hobb (Voyager; Bantam Spectra 2004)"

      I did not even know the third one was out (or is it?..a quick check of chapters seems to think not, in my local stores...if it is I better get to the book store fast!). If you have any interest in the fantasy genre then you have to go give these a read NOW! Each book she publishes seem to get better and better with no end in sight. I often find that many authors seem to hit their "peak" and then taper off (Hey I am looking at you Robert Jordan) but that is just not the case here.

      And just to ruin my manly image (please oh please don't let anyone I know find this post), she was the first author to actually make me cry while reading one of her books...(shhhh don't tell).
      I agree, except for the "every book gets better and better" part. IMO her first series The Farseer was her best, and her second The Liveship Traders was good but not as good, and The Tawny Man the current series is disappointing, not because of any real flaw, but only because it isn't as good as The Farseer books.
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    3. Re:Quite a few I have not heard of but.... by onci · · Score: 1

      Fool's Fate just showed up in US bookstores today. Got my copy at lunch.

    4. Re:Quite a few I have not heard of but.... by Beolach · · Score: 1
      Oops. I promise I did use the preview button, don't know why I didn't see this. My first blockquote (about Orson Scott Card) should end at Unfortunatly, like this:
      "The Crystal City, Orson Scott Card (Tor)"

      I am actually just now reading though this series. I sometimes can't believe just how deep he seems to build this alternative look at america. I admit I am just finishing the third book but I am hooked already.
      Unfortunatly, I would say you're in for a disappointment. Card decided he was done with the series after the 3rd or 4th book, but because the plot line for the series wasn't anywhere close to being resolved Card recieved so muchfan mail asking for me that he wrote more. This is a very bad reason to write books, and from Heartfire on the series is nowhere near as good as it started.
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    5. Re:Quite a few I have not heard of but.... by Coleva · · Score: 1

      Actually, Tailchaser's Song was accepted by the very first publisher Tad Williams sent it to. He's mentioned in a few interviews that if he knew how hard it was to get published he probably wouldn't have bothered.

  28. Troll? I didn't see any troll? by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 1
    Just saw the moderation, bomb_number_20. As the guy who actually used 'completist" in the article I don't think you were trolling. I thought post was a valid observation phrased in a civil manner. A shame the moderator thought otherwise.

    Then again, maybe I'm just caving into peer pressure. ;)

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  29. 7/21 Women by bstadil · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I think it is interesting and excellent that in the SF category there is 7 women authers out of 21 titles .

    I love Linda Nagata but do not know any of the other.

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    1. Re:7/21 Women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is interesting and excellent that in the SF category there is 7 women authers out of 21 titles .

      5 out of the 16 listed reviewers were women (same ratio as the books.) Not to be sexist or anything, but my wife and her friends are always reading fiction by women. Women seem to love books written by women. And I am not talking about girly romance type stuff either.

    2. Re:7/21 Women by Otter · · Score: 1
      If I may shamelessly stereotype -- I think that women, more than men, get deeply into formulaic novels. Romance novels, obviously, but also mystery and SF/F. Probably casual sci-fi readership is much higher among men, but women make up a larger part of the hardcore than you might expect.

      At any rate, the only female SF/F author I find even readable is Connie Willis. Even the big names (LeGuin, McCaffrey, Butler) put me to sleep.

    3. Re:7/21 Women by Elysdir · · Score: 1

      If you're interested in such statistics, you might be interested in the Broad Universe statistics page.

      Regarding a couple of the women whose names you didn't recognize:

      Nancy Kress is probably the best-known woman on the Locus SF novels list; she came to prominence with the Hugo-winning and Nebula-winning novella (later turned into a novel) "Beggars in Spain" in 1991, and has continued to write good stories and novels (and to win awards) ever since. She's more recently best-known for the Probability Moon, Probability Sun, Probability Space trilogy.

      Liz Williams is a novelist becoming well-known in the UK but not so well-known in the US. For a sample of her work, you could read her short story "Century to Starboard," which we just published at Strange Horizons (if I may be forgiven a small plug).

    4. Re:7/21 Women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Connie Willis is a great author. If you haven't read anything by her you should be ashamed of yourself :)

      She's won hugo and nebula awards. Of her novels, I think only "Doomsday book" and "To say nothing of the dog" have won, but a lot of others are very good too. Doomsday book tied with A fire Upon the Deep for a Hugo, so you can imagine the caliber. I highly recommend those two and Passage, and her second short story collection, Impossible Things, is also very good. I haven't had a chance to read the first though.

      This list includes only a novella of hers, but I don't think she published a full length book this year.

    5. Re:7/21 Women by bstadil · · Score: 1
      Thanks for the links. I just noticed the number of women when I scanned the list and thought it a little odd, since I (apparently wrongly) thought it was mostly a male oriented genre.

      Will include Williams and Kress in my next Amazon batch.

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    6. Re:7/21 Women by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'll be keeping an eye out for stuff by Liz Williams from now on. Kress I'm already familiar with - the Beggers series is excellent, especially Beggers and Choosers.

  30. Picking on your friends for fun & profit by beer_maker · · Score: 1
    This recommended reading list, published in Locus Magazine's February 2004 issue, is a consensus by Locus editors and reviewers -- Charles N. Brown, Gary K. Wolfe, Jonathan Strahan, Faren Miller, Russell Letson, Nick Gevers, Carolyn Cushman, Tim Pratt, Karen Haber, and Rich Horton -- and other professionals, including Gardner Dozois, David G. Hartwell, Michael Swanwick, Ellen Datlow, Kelly Link & Gavin Grant, and others.
    It seemed to me that a lot of those named above turn out to have works on the list ... coincidence?

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    1. Re:Picking on your friends for fun & profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These people are editors of some great publications, are very well read, and have been in the business for some time. Is it at all a coincidence that most of them write too, and have written well? Kelly Link, for example, is a great writer and also her Small Beer Press is on the cutting edge of interstitial/slipstream fiction. I'm sure they weren't allowed to nominate themselves, but the speculative fiction cadre is a small bunch of folks, once you spend some time there. -A writer.

    2. Re:Picking on your friends for fun & profit by beer_maker · · Score: 1
      I suppose that was my point - it's not that they are nominating themselves, rather they are nominating their friends ... or did all the other science fiction authors writing last year suck?

      Why no nomination of Dan Simmons, Wen Spencer, Jane Lindskold? What about John Ringo or David Drake, both who released novels last year ... but don't publish in those magazines?

      I'll come right out with it ... I think this list is a lovefest of likeminded writers, some (or all, I haven't read all of them) may be good (perhaps even great) but who consistently chose people they knew.

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  31. /me sends LSR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By the great bird of the galaxy, does anyone have any good links/URLs to free(as in gargleblasters) Golden Age SF stories online?

    Besides Burroughs and that great "They're Made out of Meat" short story.

    I'm taking an online English class this semester that is focused on SF and Fantasy, and it sure would be nice to boost my arsenal of SF-proselytizing links.

    Much appreciated if you can assist.

  32. Best Lists by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 2, Informative
    the list is so massive, there's actually almost no point to it

    I agree it's unwieldy, but the Locus List has to be big to accomodate all Locus'es editorial staff. I mean, the magazine is basically nothing but reviews. If you want to thin the herd a little, try looking at some of the stuff nominated for the various awards or better yet at various reviewers personal best lists (sorry - couldn't find any links offhand).

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  33. The Book of Words series by J.V. Jones by mrscott · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just finished the last book of this trilogy. I've read way too much fantasy in the past couple years and it's sometimes hard to find a new author that I really like. This series is BY FAR one of the best I have read. I was hooked from the first few pages of the first book.

    It's not on the list, but I thought I'd pitch it! :-)

    1. Re:The Book of Words series by J.V. Jones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've read way too much fantasy in the past couple years

      I've been thinking of giving up slashdot too.

  34. Down & Out In The Magic Kingdom by GreenHell · · Score: 1

    I read this about a month ago. It's a decent book, fairly short (208 pages), but at the same time it's expensive for the length ($12.95 US).

    It's based off of an interesting idea: a society where scarcity is no more and death has been cured. My only complaint is that, by the end, I was ready to hurt someone if I had to read the word "Bitchun" one more time.

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    1. Re:Down & Out In The Magic Kingdom by pankajsethi · · Score: 0

      Stop bitchin!!!

    2. Re:Down & Out In The Magic Kingdom by Elysdir · · Score: 1

      If you don't want to pay for it, you can also download it for free in a wide variety of formats, with the blessings of the author and publisher.

  35. Or, if you didn't get rich from an IPO... by aiken_d · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's their list from last year. Me, I'd rather buy 4 good paperbacks than 1 hardcover, and I only found one book from the new list available in paperback (admittedly, I only looked for 20-25).

    And someone rememeber to remind me to revisit this list next year.

    Cheers
    -b

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    1. Re:Or, if you didn't get rich from an IPO... by jfengel · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's even cheaper to use the library. Read it in the hardcover, which usually has bigger print and wider margins and so is often more comfortable, albeit heavier. Then return it, get something else, and not have a book you'll likely never read again cluttering up your house.

      I found eight of the first ten sci-fi novels from this year's list on my local library's web site. Ask, and they might even buy the other two.

    2. Re:Or, if you didn't get rich from an IPO... by wmspringer · · Score: 1

      This post raises a question...I wonder what percentage of readers prefers hardcovers over softcovers, and vice versa?

      Personally, I prefer paperbacks; they just seem easier to hold when I'm lying in bed reading.

    3. Re:Or, if you didn't get rich from an IPO... by aiken_d · · Score: 1

      With my organizational skills, a library is more expensive than just buying a hardcover in the first place.

      Cheers
      -b

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    4. Re:Or, if you didn't get rich from an IPO... by Beolach · · Score: 1
      Ask, and they might even buy the other two.
      Or maybe not. I live in a small rather rural town that doesn't have a real library. For a few years while I was in Jr. High, the city tried using the Jr. High's School (a brand new school at the time) library as a city library. It was a really small library, and it had a problem with a lot of holes in series. For example at the time it had books 1,3,5 of Jordan's Wheel of Time series. I mentioned this to the librarian, and she said that because most of the books where donations from people, they didn't have a record of what was missing. They did have a budget to buy new books, but they didn't know which to buy. So I spent a few weeks of my time voluntarily cataloging which series they had parts of, and what was missing. After getting through the city library only section (closed to students during school), I turned in what I had to the librarian. She lost it. I did it again. She never bought anything off the list as far as I know. And a few years later the city decided to give up on having a library (it was only a half hearted attempt in the first place). So now I paid non-citizen rates for a library card in the next town over.

      Sorry for the long rant. It's just that your comment about asking touched a nerve for me.
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    5. Re:Or, if you didn't get rich from an IPO... by foo+fighter · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have 1 good hardcover than 4 good paperbacks.

      I have a number of paperback books that I've read only twice that are falling apart. My hardcover's are nowhere close to even showing wear after three or more readings.

      Hardcover's just "feel" nicer to read also.

      IMHO, of course.

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    6. Re:Or, if you didn't get rich from an IPO... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      set a cronjob. :)

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    7. Re:Or, if you didn't get rich from an IPO... by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Suxor, dude. Didn't mean to be an insensitive clod.

  36. I Wish by dupper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have 5 one foot high piles of unread novels on my bedside table from my last few trips to the bookstore. Reading's like crack.

    1. Re:I Wish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've only got two or three foot high piles. Everytime I go to the mall I tell my friends not to let me near the bookstore, and everytime I end up walking out of the bookstore with something.

      Well, at least reading won't kill me unless my bookshelf falls on me.

    2. Re:I Wish by Metropolitan · · Score: 1

      I'm right there with you. Had to move the stacks of unread books, for fear they'd fall on either the cat or the child.

    3. Re:I Wish by Vudu+Child · · Score: 1

      Sounds like buying books is more addictive than actually reading them.

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  37. What cockbox modded that shit Troll?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Completist is a made-up word, biznitches.

  38. huh... downlaod the list to your PDA... by falcon5768 · · Score: 0
    "Definitely worth downloading to your PDA for your next trip to the bookstore."
    Ummm your posting this on Slashdot remember... for most of us our PDA IS how we read books.
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  39. Rejections by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Apologies in advance for being long winded...

    If you only count the official "submission to pro fiction magazines", I've been uncannily lucky. Not being too prolific, I've only sent out a half dozen formal submissions over the years and got this one sale last year.

    For several years, though, I submitted three or more times a year to an amateur short-short contest in the Orange County Register and placed in the top ten half the time (meriting being put on their website) and scored first twice (to wind up in their newspaper). One of those grew into the Black Gate piece.

    On the (nominally) nonfiction front, I wrote several articles for Dragon. In would pitch, say, twenty different articles at a sentence a piece before the editor would tell me he liked one and asked me to write the article. Perhaps one in five of those I liked enough to actually carry out and complete a full article. Of those articles that were "preapproved" that were submitted, he only turned down two - one of which was by an assistant editor in a very unprofessional manner that convinced me to end my relationship with Dragon.

    So, my ratio is either very high (about 80% for "preapproved" Dragon articles), good (16% for "submission to pro fiction magazines"), or rather low (about 1% for total Dragon pitches).

    If you're not bored yet with my ramblings and want to see the total tally of pieces that saw print, check out my site.

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    "Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."

  40. Locus Solus by Jagasian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a little book that EVERYONE should read. Why? Because this little book is has interesting symmetries from the syntax all the way up to higher-level concepts in the books storyline. It is an old book originally written in French (free online version), but translated into English. The book is classified as surrealist, and that might be the best one word description of it... but it definitely doesn't do it justice.

    It is free if you can read French, and it is inexpensive if you do not. JUST TRY IT! Note that the original French has the best syntax level symmetry in that the author would make use of words that were spelled similarly but had different meanings... he would then construct sentences around that which were nearly the same at the level of text, but wildly different at the level of semantics. He even takes this interesting anti-symmetry all the way up to the storyline. It is one interesting and entertaining read. The English translation is still enjoyable, but 2nd best to the French original.

    Don't even try to Babelfish the free online version. It might make you cry.

  41. F&SF Magazine by monique · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's no surprise to me that F&SF was well-represented in this list. If you love *good* fantasy and science fiction, F&SF is for you. I've had a subscription on and off since freshman year of high school, and I'm currently in the process of completing my collection by ordering the back issues from my "off" times. You can subscribe here.

    They publish an incredible spread of stories. Some to make you think; some to make you feel; some to make you laugh; some to immerse you completely in the world the author has created. I can't say enough good things about the magazine. Check it out.

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    -monique
  42. Another list that may be helpful: by RedPhoenix · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Internet Top 100 SF/Fantasy List:
    http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/6113 /top100 .html

    I'm currently working my way through this list. One or two of the authors are a bit hard to find, but trawling the 2nd-hand book shops nets quite a few of the more 'specialist' books.

    Red.

  43. You're a better man than I... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 1
    ...Falcon5768. I thought of that when I was writing that sentence and tried to find a witty way to work it in, but realized it'd be too self referential and indulgent. I'm glad you caught it. Hope someone throws a few "funny" mod points your way.

    And, yes, lurking and posting on my own article is indeed self referential and indulgent. I have no defense...

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  44. No Baen books? by Blorgo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I noticed there were no Baen books on the list - Baen (www.baen.com) has produced several bestsellers recently, including Eric Flint's "1633" (the followup to the wildly successful "1632", which is now free for the download). Baen is one of the few publishing houses to make money recently - and they are the one giving away full-length, top quality novels at their Baen Free Library. ( www.baen.com/library )

    They also sell their books through "Webscriptions", which produce non-DRM e-books (They use HTML, RTF, or a variety of 'Reader' formats).

    It's more than a little interesting that giving away older product, and selling current product without annoying DRM or other restrictions would produce a *positive* result - but of course the RIAA will probably continue to pay no attention.

    I wonder why Locus avoided the whole publishing house? SF publishing has traditionally been a jealous, backbiting world but I don't know if that's a factor in this list, or just the taste of the reviewers.

    1. Re:No Baen books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1633 was not well received.
      See the reviews in rec.arts.sf.written for example.

    2. Re:No Baen books? by Jason+Earl · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I noticed the same thing. I have been reading mostly Baen books ever sinced I discovered that I preferred reading on my Visor Handspring and I have been very happy with them. At first I bought their books individually because I didn't want to pay for books I didn't like. Now, however, I just buy the bundles. So far I have enjoyed all of the books (some better than others, granted) and the price is ridiculously low. $15 for 6 books all in the unencrypted format of my choice. That's a deal.

    3. Re:No Baen books? by sjvn · · Score: 1

      > I wonder why Locus avoided the whole publishing house?

      Because Baen tends to publish military SF like the titles you mentioned and David Drake's books. Locus has always been prejudied against military SF.

      Steven

  45. Mars by DRO0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With the recent news about Sprit and Opportuntity, I'm really tempted to go back and re-read Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy (Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars).

    These books get into a lot of detail about the colonization and terraforming of Mars and how different factions splinter off into different directions (think of Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri for you gamers).

    1. Re:Mars by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      There's a trilogy of Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri novels, and they're not that bad.

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  46. Re:Locus, loci. Virus, Viri by B'Trey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really enjoyed Tad Williams' "Dragonbone Chair" series (which isn't on the list, as it isn't new) but I was not at all impressed with "The War of the Flowers," (which is on the list.) The other two I've read are "The Brian King" and "In the Forest of Seere," both of which are quite good.

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  47. I recommend... by Beolach · · Score: 3, Informative

    The best new (to me) series I've read recently wasn't represented on Locus' recommended list. It's in the fantasy genre.
    Tales of the Otori by Lian Hearn.
    Book 1: Across the Nightingale Floor
    Book 2: Grass for his Pillow
    Book 3: Cloud of Sparrows

    Highly recommended.

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    1. Re:I recommend... by JLSigman · · Score: 1

      I second the recommendation on Cloud of Sparrows. Very well written, and it's nice to see the Japanese from that time period as written by a Japanese guy.

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    2. Re: I recommend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last book in Lian Hearn's series, Brilliance of the Moon, is not out yet, but will be published in the United States on June 7th

      http://www.theotori.com

    3. Re:I recommend... by Coleva · · Score: 1

      I think Cloud of Sparrows is a standalone book, written before Across the Nightingale Floor, and Brilliance of the Moon is the conclusion to the trilogy.

  48. Playboy NOT Listed ??? by MajorDick · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, Playboy, Fantasy, what else.

    I dont mean fantasy like shes my fantasy, I mean FANTASY like ANY geek would EVER get a Playboy babe in the sack, now THATS Fantasy

  49. Ordering the issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love how at the bottom of the site it states you can order the issue via credit card submitted via mail, E-mail, or phone. Who in their right mind would submit credit card information over E-mail...seriously now people.

  50. SF recommendations by FlyingOrca · · Score: 1

    Yeah, Robinson is about the head of the class these days, along with Neal Stephenson and William Gibson of course (need I tell any good /.er that?). Zelazney, though, was something else again. If you ever happen to see it, buy/steal/barter a copy of "Doorways In The Sand". Brilliant, and perhaps the best opening chapter in all of SF. Cheers!

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  51. Re:Locus, loci. Virus, Viri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Viri is the plural of vir, or man. Virus has no plural.

  52. Missing author by drsmack1 · · Score: 0

    In reference to the ommision of any works by Charles Sheffield: Fuck you

  53. Paladin of Souls by CadmannWeyland · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lois McMaster Bujold's "Paladin of Souls" made the fantasy novel list. It and the book before it, "Curse of Chalion" are awesome, and unique fantasy.

    Any geek that hasn't read her Mile's books certainly should consider them also. "Warrior's Apprentice" or "Borders of Infinity" are good starting points. Military SF at its best.

    Cadmann

    1. Re:Paladin of Souls by CadmannWeyland · · Score: 1

      Sigh. Lame to reply to self, but I should have included links, eh?

      From the World of Chalion (fantasy)
      Paladin of Souls
      The Curse of Chalion (available in paperback)

      From the Miles Vorkosigan series (Military SF) These are omnibus editions containing multiple novels and novellas.
      Young Miles(includes "Warrior's Apprentice" and others).
      Miles Errant(includes "Borders of Infinity" and others).

      There, now I feel better.

      Cadmann

    2. Re:Paladin of Souls by denim · · Score: 1

      Note that this is the second book in the series. The first book is The Curse of Chalion, which is a real gem of a book IMHO.

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  54. How do you use such a list? by dmorin · · Score: 1

    Ok, I see two titles I've recently read -- Darwin's Children, and Ilium. Didn't like either of them, both for different reasons. But now what? Maybe there truly are some gems on the list that I should read -- but if I randomly go get one and it's as all over the place as Ilium was I won't be happy. Especially if I'm buying hardcovers.

  55. Steven Erikson's Malazan Empire books are missing by puppetman · · Score: 1

    House of Chains came out in 2003, and it was a great book.

    The author is Canadian, and the books are difficult to get in the US (Locus is American).

  56. Mouse, Mice, House, Hice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that says it all.

  57. I recommend... by NateKid · · Score: 1

    something besides sci-fi/fantasy.

  58. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    English != Latin

    Words derived from Latin must use Latin conjugations. English words have their own special conjugations which are not related to Latin.

    Romance languages vs. Germanic languages and all that, you know.

  59. Pattern Recognition just isn't very good by shut_up_man · · Score: 1

    I realise that the list was made by Locus, a magazine devoted completely to SF and fantasy, and I'm just a random Slashdot jerk, but William Gibson's Pattern Recognition sucks. Avoid it like the plague, although in all honesty, the plague would be more fun, because it would be over faster and be a less boring.

    Obviously it's akin to blasphemy to pan a book by The Godfather of Cyberspace, but it's just bad. All the main characters are in MARKETING, for god's sake. The plot revolves around a new way to sell Nikes, oh yay. Not to mention that the story is ripped off from his earlier Count Zero, people are using hotmail accounts to send corporate secrets back and forth, the main character is "... one of those slight-looking women who combine considerable wiry strength with low body weight." Kill me. If we wanted to read about a vacuous, tea-substitute-drinking, Pilates store window dummy WANKER, we would've read this month's Coked Up Supermodel mag.

    Anyway. The only other book I've read on the list is Ilium, by Dan Simmons. It's pretty darn good, although not as good as Hyperion.

    1. Re:Pattern Recognition just isn't very good by BattleTroll · · Score: 1
      I think you're looking for PUBLIC RELATIONS, not marketing. Gibson's PR is all about PR.

      I'm just saying...

    2. Re:Pattern Recognition just isn't very good by shut_up_man · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're probably right - although I tend to tar the public relations wankers, marketing scum and other shiny-suit-wearing servants of satan with the same brush.

  60. Books I've read from this list by Jett · · Score: 1

    Darwin's Children, Greg Bear (Del Rey):

    Not as good as the first one, the skipping ahead in time that goes on detracts a lot from the book and there aren't a lot of new ideas in it (compared to the first on at least). It's also a little short. Overall though I'd recommend it, especially if you read the first one. It's a decent book, solidly written.

    Pattern Recognition, William Gibson (Putnam):

    I enjoyed this one a lot, definitely a solid book. Not sci-fi though.

    Absolution Gap, Alastair Reynolds (Gollancz; Ace 2004):

    I'd read it if they'd release it in the US. I've read his other books and all of them are awesome. Cyberpunkish space opera from a scientist who works for the ESA and knows his stuff, you can't beat that.

    Quicksilver, Neal Stephenson (Morrow)

    A lot of people didn't like this one, but I thought it was good. Yeah, it's long. And yeah, it doesn't all fit together completely (yet, its part one in a series). It is also not scifi, or even fantasy.

    Succession: The Risen Empire; The Killing of Worlds, Scott Westerfeld (Tor - two volumes; SFBC)

    I read the first one, it was pretty good. It's lame that they cut it in two the way they did. It was enjoyable and well written. A good amount of clever ideas. I'm still pissed about buying the first one and having it be half a book that I'm waiting for the second half to come out in paperback, so I haven't read that one yet.

    The Golden Age: The Phoenix Exultant; The Golden Transcendence, John C. Wright (Tor - two volumes)

    I highly recommend these books. They are by far some of the best novels I have read in recent years. It takes some work to get into them because its such a radically different environment than whats normal, but its worth struggling through the first chapter or two. Of all the books listed I'd say these stand out above the rest as the most likely to be considered classics 20 years from now.

  61. What is a Novellas and a Novelettes ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is a Novellas and a Novelettes ?

  62. Alastair Reynolds (Absolution Gap) by theolein · · Score: 1

    I bought 4 of his books in a fit of madness recently (They're letting me write this from my padded cell). After reading the first two in the series, Revelation Space and Chasm City, I can honestly say that I have seldom been so irritated by books that have loads of promise and constantly seem on the verge of attaining some measure of plot consistency and depth of character portrayal, yet never actually get there.

    It was uncannily like being forced to stop having sex moments before orgasm.

    1. Re:Alastair Reynolds (Absolution Gap) by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean, I find this with a lot of sci-fi/fantasy - great ideas, wit and style, interesting characters, huge plot build up on an epic scale, then...ssssssssssssss . I think Peter Hamilton's Night's Dawn trilogy is the worst example of this I have read recently, but even LOTR suffers with a bathetic ending.

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    2. Re:Alastair Reynolds (Absolution Gap) by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1
      Me too!!!

      Sorry, but I had to say that. I love the worldbuilding, the history, the tech, the societies. He has a real flair for that. And I can almost forgive the plot strangenesses and lack of resolution of the things he builds up (eg going on and on about how it was nearly impossible to capture a lighthugger, then it becomes necessary for the pigs to do exactly that, then the action jumps forward a bit and someone says something to the effect of "hey, that was a pretty cool thing we did, capturing this lighthugger, hey?") - that's not to bad, because I find the ride enjoyable. But I find that his characters seem to do things not because it makes sense for them to do them, but because it advances the plot. Ie, there's no motivation for a lot of the important stuff that goes on. And that is really starting to bug me. I think he should slow down a bit, and not rush the books out so fast. Or something. Until then ... "You're good, kid, but you're not the One."

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  63. The Hard SF Renaissance by crumbz · · Score: 1

    Ed. by Hartwell & Cramer. Yeah, I know it was published in 2002, but it is truly a great anthology.

  64. Re:MY COWORKER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rape her and then cut her up into little bits and feed the bitch to the fishes.

  65. Dorkus, Dorki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Main Entry: dorkus
    Pronunciation: 'dork&s
    Function: noun
    Etymology: emphasized alteration of dork
    slang : NERD; also : JERK
    1 : an annoyingly stupid or foolish person
    2 : an unstylish, unattractive, or socially inept person; especially : one slavishly devoted to intellectual or academic pursuits "Slashdot dorki waste their lives."

  66. Recommended reading by Stephen+Ma · · Score: 2, Informative
    In no particular order....

    Childhood's End by Arthur C Clarke, the author of 2001: A Space Odyssey.

    The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin. Already mentioned by a previous poster.

    The Stars My Destination and The Demolished Man, both by Alfred Bester.

    Marooned in Real Time by Vernor Vinge.

    Foundation by Isaac Asimov.

    The Dreaming Jewels by Theodore Sturgeon.

    A Mirror for Observers by Edgar Pangborn.

    A Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein.

    The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert Heinlein.

    A Fire in the Deep by Vernor Vinge.

    Startide Rising by David Brin.

    Dune by Frank Herbert.

    Use of Weapons by Iain M. Banks.

    1. Re:Recommended reading by Stephen+Ma · · Score: 1
      Two more I have to add...

      Shadow of the Torturer by Gene Wolfe. Calling it a science fiction novel might be stretching the term a bit though.

      A Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.

    2. Re:Recommended reading by bhsurfer · · Score: 2, Informative
      While we're recommending non-necessarily-new books, how about "The Gormenghast Novels" by Mervyn Peake. Incredible detail and very gothy-gloomy for all the youngsters out there...

      I totally agree with the Gene Wolfe comments, he rocks.

      Another seemingly ignored but great "speculative fiction" writer is Theodore Sturgeon. Read "More Than Human", thank me later...

      Haven't read much "new" SF, much to my chagrin. I'm a busy boy these days, it seems.

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    3. Re:Recommended reading by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1
      Read "More Than Human", thank me later...

      At first I thought that said 'Not Quite Human.' Go, Chip, go!

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  67. Speed of Dark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe how this book made it onto any recommended reading list - it is utter, utter shite.

    The lead character is incredibly annoying and useless - fair play, he's autistic - but that's not it, he's just MIND-BENDINGLY irritating. The kind where you just want to throw the book at the wall in disgust.

    And the plot, although having a few good ideas, is mainly laughably transparent and bland.

    Avoid like the plague.

  68. I've only read one of the books by danny · · Score: 1
    And I think it's the only one that's been translated from a foreign language: my review of Cosmos Latinos .

    Danny.

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  69. Good List... by Chimera252 · · Score: 1

    I consider myself a voracious sc-fi / fantasy reader, but I've only read a small proportion of the books on the list.

    I can thoroughly recommend 'More Tomorrow and other stories' by Michael Marshall Smith. I was plesantly surprised to see this on the list, as he is often overlooked. More Tomorrow is a collection of the authors short stories, previously only available here in the UK. They're weird, bizarre, surreal but with a very disturbing undercurrent of normality.

    Also good to see 'Amulet of Samarkand' and 'Predator's Gold' on the list, top notch 'teen' fiction (no shame in adults reading them either ;)

    Last of all, 'Fool's Fate'. I'm so sorry to say goodbye to Fitz, but Robin Hobb has done a brilliant job in bringing the series to a close. (and making me cry)

    One surprising thing about the list is the number of 'limited' books on there, ie - those with a very small print run. They would be rather difficult to get from a high street book shop.

  70. Hardcovers vs. Paperbacks by solprovider · · Score: 1

    Paperbacks are better for travelling. Smaller and lighter, they fit in the back of my belt or the sleeve of a jacket so people don't think I'm a nerd. Ten paperbacks is good for a week travelling while consulting. Three hardcovers weigh more and I know that I'll be flipping stations on the hotel TV by Wednesday.

    Hardcovers look better in the library, and survive much better. With overstock stores like Atlantic Books, they cost less than paperbacks. The Ender series and Spider Robinson are about the only ones I am willing to pay full price. Reading in bed, the larger print and larger pages means you can prop the book up with pillows and still read with one hand. (No jokes please.)

    Since I started almost exclusively buying hardcovers, the amount of books I read has started slipping. This may also have much to do with life changes. There is just so much to do that I can rarely read more than one book in a day. Also, reading Slashdot takes a bit of time that was previously dedicated to books.

    The big problem with hardcovers is the space. I bought 3 more bookshelves recently, and do not have much room for more. The new shelves are already filled and there are a few hundred books that still do not have a home yet.

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    I spend my life entertaining my brain.
    1. Re:Hardcovers vs. Paperbacks by wmspringer · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah....the space thing is definitely an issue also. I've always got piles of books on the floor due to not being able to fit them all on the shelves (which are also covered with stacks of books)

      I think you slow down as you get older, also. I used to read a heck of a lot faster than I do now. (I'm 23 now and I estimate that I went through books 4 times as quickly 10 years ago, when I first started reading science fiction)

  71. Quicksilver...bah by LarsWestergren · · Score: 1

    I have trouble respecting a "best of" list that includes Neal Stephenson's Quicksilver. A great post of what is wrong with that book here.

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  72. Literature light for nerds. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    That is it, I said it.

    I have read some of these and I always find them sorely lacking, they are the nerd equivalent of Bridget Jones books for single,late 20s early 30s females.

    Has any SciFi writer ever gained a prize or being recognized outside the niche cabal of SciFi?

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    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
    1. Re:Literature light for nerds. by moultano · · Score: 1

      Well, let's see here. Orwell and Huxley come to mind. So do Ray Bardbury, Kurt Vonnegut, and Anthony Burgess. Ursula K. LeGuin won the national book award for the Dispossessed if you want documentation.

      Literary critics have an unfortunate tendency to declassify something as science fiction if it is any good.

      Have you honestly never heard of any of these, or are you just trolling?

  73. Add to the List... by amper · · Score: 1

    To that list I would have added:

    1. Jacqueline Carey's "Kushiel's Avatar"
    2. Sharon Shinn's "Angelica"
    3. Ursula Le Guin's "Changing Planes"

  74. Where is the literary version of songs for $.99 by Buddy_Gilapagos · · Score: 1

    I was trying to track down a Sci-Fi story I read years ago, about these beautiful creautures, sylphs i think they were called, who men would become obsessed with until they wasted away. Not only did I not find the story, (anyone know this story), but I was disappointed that I couldn't find anywhere I could go, pay a small fee and download short stories, poems, or even novels that are out of circulation. Does such a place on the web exist? If it doesn't then it should.

  75. Hey nowadays you can write anywhere too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the learning is in the doing.