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Toy Penguins and Male Egos Drove Linux Acceptance

An anonymous reader writes "Germany's local and city councils have been pioneering the migration from Windows to Linux. Now, one of the IT staff behind one move has revealed how they persuaded workers to accept the changes. Stuffed toy penguins and Linux t-shirts helped to create an open-source love-in at the council offices, and they got a senior chairwoman to demonstrate the new system to the troops. Male ego stopped anyone claiming that Linux was difficult to use, once they'd seen that the 'weaker sex' could master it :)"

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  1. "the 'weaker' sex?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Glad to see Germany's just as progressive as it was back in the day. /sarcasm

    1. Re:"the 'weaker' sex?" by orthogonal · · Score: 5, Funny

      Glad to see Germany's just as progressive as it was back in the day. /sarcasm

      Hey, they're making progress!

      At least they didn't finish the demo by invading Poland.

    2. Re:"the 'weaker' sex?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn! I knew we forgot something!

    3. Re:"the 'weaker' sex?" by wrp103 · · Score: 3, Informative

      To be fair, the 'weaker sex' comment isn't from the article, but from the /. blurb. In fact, the article uses the term "powerful women".

      The article does, however, mention male ego after having seen a woman use the system.

  2. Theres a name for this.... by eddiegee · · Score: 5, Funny

    and it called MARKETING!!!

    1. Re:Theres a name for this.... by djeaux · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Marketing is something Linux needs. Of course, that's the weak point for a lot of open source.

      Tux toys & t-shirts sound trivial, but they loosen people up about something that a lot of non-tech types think is "hard". Setting up the "sexist" argument ("Even the women can use this OS") is even appropriate if that's what it takes to make decision-makers come around.

      <OFFTOPIC>

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    2. Re:Theres a name for this.... by robslimo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...and damned good marketing too.

      Somehow it leaves me feeling a little uneasy, though. I bet I'd be influenced by the same or similar tactics, even though I've read this article. It leaves my ego a bit worse for the wear to know that I (hell, we!) am so easily swayed by savvy marketing techniques.

      Example: even if janet jackson winds up paying fines for her Super Bowl stunt, I'll bet she gets exactly what she intended in terms of sales and publicity. The people she pissed off were never her customers anyway.

    3. Re:Theres a name for this.... by melstav · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Damnably effective marketing.

      The article spends a fair amount of time talking about how they dealt with their proverbial "sticks in the mud" and talking about a few of the benefits of running linux vs. Windows, and then finishes up with the following paragraph:


      Late on Tuesday, Microsoft issued a patch for a vulnerability in its Windows software that could be used to unleash a virus even more devastating than MyDoom. This patch should be installed by anyone running Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP or Windows Server 2003.
    4. Re:Theres a name for this.... by Killswitch1968 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Despite all the claims of 'monopoly' scarcely anyone steps back and REALLY analyzes why open source hasn't taken hold. And the answer inevitably leads to little or no marketing. A good product that no one knows about won't be used.

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    5. Re:Theres a name for this.... by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's true, but part of the reason that Open source doesn't go in for marketing is that that's not the point. It's software to solve a specific problem, and if it solves other people's problems, so much the better. Marketing will potentially help the end users become aware of the software, but it really doesn't do the software any good or harm if people know about it or not.

      Commercial software on the other hand, is simply to make money for companies. This is not a bad thing; simply the way the market works. The fact that it solves a problem is simply a means to an end. Marketing is definitely essential here, since it increases sales.

    6. Re:Theres a name for this.... by jafac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't blame the marketer for putting himself in the marketee's mindframe.

      The sexist attitude exists in the males they're trying to convince. Not necessarily the marketer. The technique was actually trying to change this perception by preying on the mistaken attitude.

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    7. Re:Theres a name for this.... by spacecowboy420 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wonder if it would help the decision makers to know that not only does my 8 yr old girl use linux, she prefers mandrake over fedora. Not that it is saying much, but she installed and updated Mandrake 9.2 this weekend with very little guidance. If she can do it, so should any grown man. Man, I beam with pride everytime I see my little girl use the command line.

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    8. Re:Theres a name for this.... by dnoyeb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, its not trying to change it, its trying to take advantage of it. Akin to the traditional Republican technique for gathering Southern White votes in America. Appeal to racism.

      And how do you think this would rub those that do not have the same shortcomming? Such as women? or non-chauvanistic men?

    9. Re:Theres a name for this.... by Teancom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To see a woman demonstrating software? I mean, I assume they didn't put her on the stage and say thinks like "Hey! *Even* women can go this!". It was a 'by example' thing. So the women and non-chauvanistic men would be offended...why?

    10. Re:Theres a name for this.... by netsharc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fascinating to hear. Does installing Mandrake require knowledge of partition tables? I think so, so she does understand how that bit of logic works? Smart kid.

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    11. Re:Theres a name for this.... by z00z · · Score: 2, Funny
      and it called MARKETING!!!

      And what did MARKETING say?

    12. Re:Theres a name for this.... by arkanes · · Score: 3, Funny

      *sob* She's going to use IE when she grows up!

    13. Re:Theres a name for this.... by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And dependency hell that exceeds .dll hell...
      Dependancies are resolved by programs like apt-get. Apt-get is available on red hat nowadays (and probably mandrake).
      And a very inconsistent and often difficult application install process...
      its pretty consistant - use rpm's for everything if you want to. If not ./configure ; make ; make install normally does the trick.
      And applications for general consumer and business use rather than just for developers...
      I'm a general consumer and i never use any other platform other than at/for college (vb is part of the course
      And driver / peripheral issues...
      unless people play with random hardware (which office workers etc do not, you dont get hardware problems - just check before you buy/download
      And remember, in the corporate world, the only people who are allowed to install are trained anyway - they can fathom out how to compile something - companies don't install new software every week, so its not as if there would be much research involved.

    14. Re:Theres a name for this.... by Aelfy · · Score: 2, Funny

      They were convincing IT people, and the plan was perfectly conceived:

      The T-Shirt doubles their wardrobe and allows them to go another fortnight without doing the laundry.

      The stuffed toy is for them to give to a cute girl as valentines day is coming up (not that that would work!)

      In fact, using a nice looking saleswoman, she probably got most of the stuffed toys right back as "thoughtful gifts" from the geeks. Money saved!

    15. Re:Theres a name for this.... by XO · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dependency Hell is NOT negated by APT and Yum.

      Example (not cut and pasted, just typed in by memory.. this is what happened to my system a few weeks ago):

      apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ...
      package-A requires package-B-2.20
      downgrading package-B-2.30 to package-B-2.20
      package-C requiers package-B >= 2.30
      uninstalling package-C..
      uninstalling everything that depends on package-C..

      I ended up with over fifty things that I had to reinstall, to get my computer back in order after THAT fuckup.

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      "Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
    16. Re:Theres a name for this.... by denks · · Score: 2, Funny

      Taking this a bit further

      Put on 2 demonstrations in a workplace. In the first, get an attractive woman to give the Linux demo, hand out Linux T-shirts. Focus the demo on the usefulness of Linux and how it is free (as in beer).
      In the second demo, get an RMS clone to hold an installfest for the attendees personal computers. Focus the discussion on how you can hack the kernel, and how Linux is free (as in speech)

      Take a random sample of the workplace, send half to the first, half to the second and see which group will welcome a migration to Linux in their workplace and which will be scared off thinking that its too hard. I bet that the first group will come out thinking its a great idea, the second will think that its a step backwards.

      MS has shown us that its all about marketing. No matter what the quality of the product you are selling, if its marketed well people will believe that it is the best thing since sliced bread

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    17. Re:Theres a name for this.... by InadequateCamel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An appeal to racism (lacking an example, I assume you mean something like "the Blacks are taking all our money and jobs"?) is very different than what you are calling sexism here.

      To put it differently, is this out-and-out sexism, or is it just marketing a stereotype?

      A similar discussion took place here a few weeks ago when a woman accused salesmen of being sexist because she would be ignored in tech stores if her husband was present. The counterpoint was that the stereotype (as in learned behaviour by example, not discrimination) is that women are less interested and thus know less about technology and "geek toys".

      I know two women who can use Linux. TWO.

      As is mentioned in the adjacent post, if the product was marketed in a "Hey look! I can do this, and I'm a woman! A BLONDE woman, at that!" then that is sexism. But by having a woman carry out the demo as a professional it goes against the stereotype, the learned behaviour, and the message is all that much clearer. For those who don't have such a stereotype it is EXACTLY the same as having a man do the demo, except her voice probably doesn't carry quite as well :-)

      My 2 cents

    18. Re:Theres a name for this.... by TKinias · · Score: 3, Interesting

      scripsit XO:

      Dependency Hell is NOT negated by APT and Yum. [...] I ended up with over fifty things that I had to reinstall, to get my computer back in order after THAT fuckup.

      Um, you've got a seriously FUBAR apt configuration if that's happening to you. I would suggest unfscking your /etc/apt/preferences for a start...

      Seriously, the only time this sort of thing happens is when you're running Unstable or, especially, mixing Unstable packages into a Stable or Testing system -- and then you're intentionally putting yourself on the bleeding edge. The one exception I can recall is the recent and well-documented problem with the switch to GTK2-based Galeon; that only affected Testing, too, not Stable. And it was resolved in a few days; we just used Firebird in the interim.

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    19. Re:Theres a name for this.... by YetAnotherDave · · Score: 2, Funny

      >> as said 8 year old downloads, compiles and runs the latest open source variant of Medal of Honour

      and then proceeds to beat you're ass at it :)

    20. Re:Theres a name for this.... by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While in a large sense I do agree, I nonetheless think it's going to be a help to desktop adoption. Just getting name recognition from TV in a lot of ways might act as a validator. Putting a whole new system on one's most expensive applience is a pretty daunting experience for a lot of people, and I think many of them would be reassured that their TV has told them that this Linux thing isn't just a toy used by geeks, but rather a real professional IBM thing. They might not yet know to ask for it, but if someone suggests it as a solution and explains what it is, it might give them the extra bit of confidence to try.

      Though in any case, even word of mouth seems to be doing pretty well. I'm finding it more common for people to mention thinking about using Linux - OK, not huge common, but the fact that it's turning up at all in conversation with non computer geeks is amazing to me.

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    21. Re:Theres a name for this.... by autocracy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, and how did you find out about Google? I've certainly never seen an ad. Do they make those?

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  3. Which one? by netglen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Which distro of linux are they using?

    1. Re:Which one? by maulwurf · · Score: 4, Informative

      according to ct-magazine they are using SuSE-Linux. german article: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/34859

    2. Re:Which one? by jester42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are using SuSE according to this press release

    3. Re:Which one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's SUSE not SuSE.

      Didn't you get the memo?

  4. f'ing brilliant! by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not that it's a great sales tactic: "You don't need that wimpy ease-of-use"

    Gotta keep the spin "Easy enough for *her*, so you can certainly handle it."

    1. Re:f'ing brilliant! by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Linux: Strong enough for a server, GUI balanced for a desktop.

      --
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  5. booth girls by frankmu · · Score: 5, Funny

    so we need to send out troops of booth girls with Knoppix in hand to shame the microsofties into submission. they can stop by my office first.

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    1. Re:booth girls by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Funny

      All I can say is for those booth girls is not "Micro" or "Soft" by any means.

      More like a HARD DRIVE.

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    2. Re:booth girls by Trigun · · Score: 5, Funny

      Although the term "SCSI" comes to mind as well.

    3. Re:booth girls by SheldonYoung · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A former company did a rather large booth a COMDEX a few years ago. They planned it a bit late so the more attractive of the Booth Marketting Persons were already obligated to other companies. One of the women was as much fun as a brick in the desert.

      The other woman had a great personality and eventually she stopped giving out post cards demonstrating a technical application to victi... potential customers. It was amazing how much more attentive the demonstratee was with her. I don't know if it's because she was a woman, evidence of the friendliness of the application or what, but it stuck.

      If you want to convert an entire company to swith to open source in one fell swoop get your secretary to install OpenOffice.

    4. Re:booth girls by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or we can try Alice's (from Dilbert) methodology: Instead of booth babes to attract people to your booth get RMS and/or Linus (Dilbert, Wally) to stand in front of Microsoft's booth wearing nothing but a string of floss.

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    5. Re:booth girls by urbazewski · · Score: 2, Interesting
      get your secretary to install OpenOffice.

      When Art Fry, the inventor of Post-It notes, first attempted to pitch the innovation at 3-M he received a lukewarm response. He then distributed samples to some 3-M secretaries who quickly found new uses for them . It's now one of the 5 top-selling office products.

      the history of the post-it note

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  6. Male ego driving Linux? by bad+enema · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where have I seen this before? :)

  7. One thing to remember by sirinek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Never underestimate the power of the booth babe. :)

  8. Reverse psychology... by el-spectre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is hardly new... all it has ever taken to get a guy to do something is say something like "oh, if it's too heavy for you I can ask someone else"

    'cept for those of us who learned the game and call the bluff with "sure, go right ahead"

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    "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
    1. Re:Reverse psychology... by haystor · · Score: 2, Funny

      I went back to college after taking a few years off. I was amazed at the number of women using men they didn't even know to move their furniture. Women that would otherwise not have anything to do with these guys would just smile and ask, and it would be done.

      They were a bit miffed when I told them no.

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    2. Re:Reverse psychology... by Titusdot+Groan · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I always help -- I guess I "get" the concept that I can lift more than almost any woman -- something about testosterone and being a lumberjack in my youth.

      But if you can't lift more than they can, by all means send them along to somebody that can.

      Oh, and just because they are using a trick on you doesn't mean they don't need your help. Just smile and say "Sure, but next time just ask instead of playing the mind games." Being a jerk doesn't allow you to change behaviour -- or get dates for that matter.

    3. Re:Reverse psychology... by el-spectre · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually I tend to do what you recommend (say "just ask"). I am after all a rather big fellow. But if they use the blatant "poor wittle me can't do anything for myself" technique, I'm liable to be a jerk, yeah. (nor, for the record, do I want to date someone who pulls that shit :) )

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    4. Re:Reverse psychology... by Titusdot+Groan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No, you don't want to date somebody who pulls that shit -- but you don't want every other women within earshot saying "asshole" under her breath :-)

      The "sure, but just ask" sends the dual message "not a sap" AND "not an ass".

    5. Re:Reverse psychology... by pyros · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was sitting out on my balcony at my last apartment hanging out with a friend from out of town. And some woman, admittedly attractive, pulled up in her truck and started moving in to a nearby apartment with her friend. Now, my frined and I did happen to glance at them a couple of times, but there was no conversation of any sort between us and the women, nor were we talking about them. Out of nowhere, she yells over up to us (I lived on the third floor) "Don't worry we'll move it all." Then when my wife arrived with groceries, and my friend and I go to help bring them in, this woman says to her "so that's how you get them to help, you have to give them food!" Now it's one thing to actually ask for help, thinking your looks will help. But to just get mad at a guy for being in the vicinity without jumping at the chance to help is just bitchy.

    6. Re:Reverse psychology... by stor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you don't want every other women within earshot saying "asshole" under her breath

      Actually, I do. Assholes get laid. "Nice guys" don't. Sorry.


      Speaking as a "nice guy" I call bullshit.

      Every woman will have a different set of criteria for finding you attractive or unattractive.

      I really ought to write a book or at least a HOWTO. In the meantime let me suggest two behaviours that will help:

      1. Honesty. This is a challenge: the most important thing is to be honest with yourself which is _really_ difficult. I'm lucky enough to have been with women who've told me honestly what I needed to improve on. I'm still working on it ;)
      2. Assertiveness. From my experience most (not all) women don't like a guy to be too submissive. They like a dude to have a spine. This doesn't mean you should be nasty and forceful, just don't be a doormat. Some women like to wear the pants in a relationship but most seem to not appreciate being forced into that position.

      Cheers
      Stor

      --
      "Yeah well there's a lot of stuff that should be, but isn't"
    7. Re:Reverse psychology... by cozziewozzie · · Score: 2, Funny

      1. Honesty. This is a challenge: the most important thing is to be honest with yourself which is _really_ difficult. I'm lucky enough to have been with women who've told me honestly what I needed to improve on. I'm still working on it ;)

      Dude, I can help you, today I received this GREAT email that has PROVEN techniques for enlarging your penis! Seriously, just give me your email and I'll forward it to you!

  9. WHAT?!?!? by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean you converted a group of people to Linux without shouting things like "RTFM!!!"???

    Maybe we should rethink our strategies...

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  10. Commercialism? by MoebiusStreet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds suspiciously like how the world of commercial software works :o

    1. Re:Commercialism? by CaptainTux · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Getting people to adopt anything new requires some commercialization and good marketing. Linux is no different. What it seems you're intimating here is that if Linux uses the same marketing techniques that commercial vendors use then it's somehow wrong and takes something away from Linux. It doesn't.

      The fact that vendors use commercial techniques to sell people on Linux does not take anything away from the fact that Linux offers it's users freedom, stability, and distance from vendor lock-in. Commercial marketing isn't unethical. Commercial marketing isn't bad. Using your taking away freedom from your installed user base is both.

      --
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      Advanced Data Concepts, Inc.
      "Quality Custom Software and IT Services"
  11. The first rule of marketing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...is to know your audience. Seems like the folks that put this together did.

  12. Geek girl? by kefoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    A woman who uses Linux? I'm in love.

    1. Re:Geek girl? by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry, my wife uses Linux and you can't have her. Besides, she already fell for that trick once.

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      Someone you trust is one of us.
  13. It's brilliant by The+I+Shing · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To rework a famous old saying, no-one ever went broke overestimating the impact of appealing to the male ego.

    That's brilliant marketing to use a female rep to demo a product to a bunch of men.

    A lot of companies would do well to follow that example, I think.

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    1. Re:It's brilliant by temojen · · Score: 3, Insightful
      That's brilliant marketing to use a female rep to demo a product to a bunch of men.

      A lot of companies would do well to follow that example, I think.

      You mean like beer companies?

    2. Re:It's brilliant by pegr · · Score: 4, Funny

      " Appeal to her inner feminist by telling her "women are superior men in every way" and she'll eat right out of your hand."

      Yup, sincerity is the hardest part. Once you can fake that, you're golden...

  14. Women love Linux too :) by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://www.nccomp.com/images/linux-girl.jpg
    pic

    1. Re:Women love Linux too :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:Women love Linux too :) by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 3, Funny

      Package? Ha! No one pre-compiled her for any specific architecture. She was built purely from source and just for *my* architecture. ;)

    3. Re:Women love Linux too :) by AoT · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hate to say it but...

      In soviet russia, the package comes in her.

      ouch, I had to.

  15. Toys Don't Make Linux Work by smack_attack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The toys made it fun, but the coders made it work. I think marketing droids are also to blame for overhyping linux to some extent during the dot com boom and causing a lot of companies who had good products to die young because they thought they were bigger than life.

  16. They forgot to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...that these penguins were stuffed with narcotics.

  17. Old habits die hard... by lowe0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And people wonder where sexism in technology comes from.

    Using it to your advantage is not the same thing as working to eliminate it.

    1. Re:Old habits die hard... by Cthefuture · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is hardly a technology issue. Human beings are social in nature and therefore we all experience social pressures. It's a fact of being alive. To ignore the fact that women and men are different is assine.

      Using marketing is only natural. It works, and it works very well is all aspects of life, not just technology.

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    2. Re:Old habits die hard... by pla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, but the flipside of the "marketing" they are pushing is that women can't do things with computers that aren't "easy".

      I think a lot of Slashdotters have read more into this story than they should...

      They deliberately choose a spokeswoman based on pushing the "If she can do it, so can I" male ego button. The reverse of that, which you suggest they also pushed, does not hold true. If the implicit sexism didn't exist, their approach simply would not have worked.

      In no way would insulting a guy's ego by demonstrating that a woman can use Linux increase their sexist ideas. If anything, it demonstrates that yes, in fact, a woman can use Linux, when they cannot (yet).

  18. I hate male ego by 31415926535897 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I should probably submit this anonymously*, but what the heck.

    I don't know if it is in our genes, or if it's a product of our environment, but male ego resulting from male dominance even affects me a ton.

    I was running on a treadmill earlier this week, and there was a girl who was running on one next to me at the same time, at roughly the same speed. There was _no_ way I was going to let myself stop before she did--because she was a girl. And I recognized this as I was running.

    Seems kind of silly, I know, but that's what was in my head.

    *I've heard that posting anonymously at slashdot isn't really, so what's the difference?

    1. Re:I hate male ego by corbettw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gee, are you suggesting that certain human behavior is hardwired into our psyche? Just like every single other mammal on the planet? And you're just now realizing this??

      You can either accept that you're an animal with instincts, and learn how to control them/live with them, or you can deny your basic nature and keep banging your head against the wall. The choice is yours. The upshot on the former is, everyone else is governed by those same instincts, so you can use them to help get people to do what you want them to.

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    2. Re:I hate male ego by queen+of+everything · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I do too...

      I don't like that if a girl can do it, any man can...I can do a lot of things with a computer that many men can't do. I work hard to learn all that I can and I don't like that when I am up against a man, everyone automatically listens to what he says over me. I know what I'm talking about, I've been using computers longer than everyone that I know. When I go into a computer store all the clerks swarm to help the poor, defenseless, dumb girl buy expensive things for her computer. It really bugs me. Don't question my intelligence, I know what I'm doing.

      I think its an excellent way to market linux to a bunch of men, but it still bugs me that people think like that.

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      "Wisdom is not a product of schooling but of the life-long attempt to acquire it." -Albert Einstein
    3. Re:I hate male ego by pyros · · Score: 4, Funny

      I had a similar experience, only it was with two people: a tatooed woman and a midget. The midget didn't last too long, but he surprised me. I felt pretty relieved when the woman got off the treadmill. I quickly got off my cross-trainer and felt even more relieved when I saw that she had merely moved to a cycle after getting off the treadmill. Then I realised I was secretly competing with a tatooed lady and a midget. I promptly shrunk my hands, bathed in cabbage, and joined a carnival.

    4. Re:I hate male ego by monkeyfinger · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's not just me then.

      I went to the gym the other day to do some weight training and I wanted to get warmed up first. I decided that a gentle jog on the treadmill would get the blood moving. As soon as I started jogging a really pretty girl got on the treadmill next to me and started running and I ended running a lot faster and longer than I had originally intended to and my weight training suffered because of it.

      The worst part is that I knew exactly what I was doing, but I did it anyway.

    5. Re:I hate male ego by KjetilK · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Hehe. Take it from me, unless you're a world class athlete, there is always a cute little 18 year-old girl who do it better than you. Get over it. :-)

      I learnt this fact of life allready when I was 16, and I think it probably helped me avoid a too-inflated ego...: It was at the end of one of my first mountain triathlon, and after three hours of running a was totally exhausted. Just before the final hard climb, there was this girl, one year younger than me, who just parked me completely.

      You bet, if you meet one of those one the threadmill next to you, and you awaken her competition instinct, you'll find yourself dying at the end of the threadmill at the end of the day... :-)

      --
      Employee of Inrupt, Project Release Manager and Community Manager for Solid
    6. Re:I hate male ego by el-spectre · · Score: 2, Informative

      Until the last coupla millenia (centuries? decades?) , the primary social skill in our species has been dominance, usually physical. Most men are stronger than most women... we just carry these assumptions over into other fields. Old habits die hard.

      That said, if I have the choice, I prefer a female tech/mechanic/(fill in typically-male-job) because they tend to be the best, having had to overcome bias AND having had the guts to stick with it.

      Out of curiosity, are you the type of woman who is offended that they use pretty girls to seel beer, etc. ?

      --
      "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
  19. Hmm.... by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Funny

    These booth girls... if i'm new to Linux, will they 'mount' my 'hard drive'?
    I'd be sure to try switching to Linux then! ;)

    1. Re:Hmm.... by Bostik · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just out of curiosity, what would be the mount options?

      -oremount,rw,async,nodev,nosuid,noauto ?
      --
      There is no such thing as good luck. There is only misfortune and its occasional absence.
    2. Re:Hmm.... by Life2Short · · Score: 2, Funny

      MMmmmmm Senior German Chairwoman..... Mmmmmm.

    3. Re:Hmm.... by shplorb · · Score: 2, Funny

      read-only, don't want to be writing anything to that drive, unless you can handle the increased load on your wallet in 9 months.

  20. So Just how screwed up are these companies?!?! by Serapth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I cant imagine this being a very successful company, when they have to use bribes and sex to encourage the employees to use a tool you've mandated.

    Hell, this is kinda like McDonalds deciding to use a different type of cash register, then having someone attractive go by and give each McWage Slave a free friggin teddy bear, in order to get them to use the new machine.

    How about this approach... "Use the damned software!". Really, I dont know why people seem to think they should have complete freedom on a computer at work. The company owns the machine, and the company chooses the software... so long as the company involved the proper employees in evaluating which is the best software(s) to use... thats it, end of story. Employees really shouldnt have a choice one way or another.

    So instead, you get this boneheaded company in germany, that is now going to have a number of mail employee's that have no clue how to use the software, and thus loose productivity, because there ego refuses to let them be beat by a girl?!?!

    Besides that point... does male ego really apply that much to intellectual persuits? I mean, do most people think men are better then women at using a computer because of genetics? I doubt the number is high. Now, those hard to open jar lids... yeah, ego still applies there.

    1. Re:So Just how screwed up are these companies?!?! by corbettw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about this approach... "Use the damned software!". Really, I dont know why people seem to think they should have complete freedom on a computer at work. The company owns the machine, and the company chooses the software... so long as the company involved the proper employees in evaluating which is the best software(s) to use... thats it, end of story. Employees really shouldnt have a choice one way or another.

      Ever heard the phrase "you attract more flies with honey than vinegar?" Honestly, I'd rather work for someone who is respectful of my concerns and seeks to answer them (even in a devious way), than someone who just scoffs at them and says "Shut up and get back to work." Even the military, the only employer who can throw you in jail or have you shot for not doing what you're told, tends to be relatively light handed in how it encourages its members to use new systems.

      --
      God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
    2. Re:So Just how screwed up are these companies?!?! by TrevizeNet · · Score: 2, Informative
      "Use the damned software!". Really, I dont know why people seem to think they should have complete freedom on a computer at work. The company owns the machine, and the company chooses the software... so long as the company involved the proper employees in evaluating which is the best software(s) to use... thats it, end of story. Employees really shouldnt have a choice one way or another.

      To quote Mary Poppins "A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down". People don't like change, if my boss told me that tomorrow we're going to start using black swingline staplers instead of the red one that I love then I would probably complain. I would complain less if the stapler replacement was given to me by an attractive brunette who bats her eyes. This company found a way to make a change without destroying overall morale, what's wrong with that?
    3. Re:So Just how screwed up are these companies?!?! by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 3, Insightful
      How about this approach... "Use the damned software!".
      You're missing the point. That approach doesn't provide the free publicity.
      does male ego really apply that much to intellectual persuits?
      Is there any subject in existance where the Male Ego doesn't apply?
      Most people are sheep. They follow the rules of society without thought and most of them wouldn't even realise they are following set rules.
      Men and women have their roles to play, and any deviation is seen as weird and undesirable.
      Wear a pink shirt and tell other males you don't like beer and football if want to see this in action.
    4. Re:So Just how screwed up are these companies?!?! by Snad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Deciphering all the typos in that post was an interesting experience...

      Regardless, the main point - that a corporation is a dictatorship - is factually correct. However, if you treat your employees as if they have no valuable opinions on the tools they will be using to do their jobs, then you will lose buy in, and have a revolt.

      The employees aren't exactly going to be turning up at their manager's door with pitch-forks and flaming torches, but they are going to be grumbling, moaning, bitching, whining, and likely looking for another job. Successful companies retain staff by ensuring they feel valued.

      Basically, treating your employees like shit gets you nothing but shit employees. Acting in a dictatorial manner simply because you can simply creates more problems than it solves. It is vital in large scale change projects to ensure that people at least feel like they've been consulted, even if you end up ignoring everything they've said.

      The productivity lost in replacing numbers of employees would be far more costly than simply throwing some toy penguins and a blonde bimbo into the equation.

      I am, of course, assuming that once the buy in was created by the "weaker sex" and toy penguin strategy there is sufficient training and backup in place - without which the entire project is doomed to failure anyway.

  21. If BSD weren't dying... by gUmbi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If BSD weren't dying it'd be presented by this chick

  22. The Perception is the Reality by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oddly enough, I recently saw this in Doctorow's "East Coast Tribe", but this was something I learned when I first worked in an IT department.

    It doesn't matter if your systems are uber-fast. It doesn't matter if they have a low error rate. It doesn't matter if they are made to be user friendly.

    If the users of those systems perceive they are slow, inefficient, hard to use, great, best machines ever - whatever they percieve, that is the reality.

    So a good IT staff does two things:

    1. Work on their C. I. A. pieces.
    2. Work to help the users percieve their systems as being C. I. A. good.

    Let's face it - this is why Microsoft is on 90-odd% of all desktop systems out there: people percieve their systems as working, as easy to use, and that everything else is inferior whether that is true or not.

    Once you convince them that a Linux or Mac desktop works just as well - if not faster and more securely - on their desk as a Windows box, and that they can use the same kinds of applications, you're set.

    I've had IT guys whom I respect greatly tell me they'd love to switch to "OS X", but don't want to because they fear the "learning curve". It's not a "noobie" issue at all - perception clouds everything.

    And Brauner made the right calls. To those who had problems, he showed them how it was easy. To those who thought he was being mean, he displayed himself as a "fun guy" with shirts and toys. To those who thought the system was "hard" he showed a secretary doing her job with ease - the person that all my programming teachers taught me to program interface for, since "if a secretary can run it, anybody can".

    Excellent work on his part for recognizing that the human element is as important as the technical one at times.

  23. Women can use Linux now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's it, I'll switch to hurd.

  24. New marketing tagline by denofslack · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously a joke, but is the new line for marketing Linux in the mainstream going to be: Linux -- so easy to use, even a woman can do it! Or better yet: If it's your hardware, ask your teenager for support. If it's your OS, as your wife.

  25. But consider this ... by psycho_tinman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can just see the marketing people on the other side *cough* those convicted monopolists, remember them ? the guys who claim the GPL should be stamped out ? *cough* making hay with this.. ?

    "Ooh, we don't manipulate you", they'll coo. "We just give you a product that you know and is easy to use". And heck, if that doesn't work, they'll just add a whopping discount on top of it to seal the bargain.

    Maybe I'm just egotistic myself, but if I heard that I had been manipulated into something I wasn't sure about, and if I heard about it later on (with a "ha ha ha. owned!" comment, to boot), I'd be quite wary of the next thing that particular guy tried to foist on me.

    Which brings me to the question.. does OSS really need marketshare like this ? It's just me, probably, but I'd prefer people make an informed choice rather than go "hey, why don't we use this because we don't want to be outdone/look foolish". If you can convince people to install it that easily, they'll just as easily be swayed by the next marketing gimmick, and which side (OSS or the other guys) have more marketing muscle ?

  26. Deodorant joke, anyone? by Shazow · · Score: 4, Funny

    New linux slogan!

    "Easy enough for a woman, made for a man."

    =8-]

    - shazow

    1. Re:Deodorant joke, anyone? by smack_attack · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Easy enough for a woman, made by boys in their mom's basements." /cliche

  27. have some fun! by 23 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    so what's the problem? Dude, don't take yourself so seriously! :-)

    when I'm out running along a well used path in my town, there is no fucking way I can live with a woman running infront of me. At times this put me close to a heart-attack. But I have all the more fun because this kind of stuff. Same thing, when I try to overtake someone who is barely slower than me. heh.

    Man, this is oart of the fun of life! As long as you realize, that your life does not depend on being cooler/stronger/faster/whatever I consider it good-natured fun. After all, where would be in technology without some good ol' testosterone-driven competition?

    plus, women have some fun --uhm, let's call them characteristics to laugh about

  28. Sex Sells by Slowtreme · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone watch that "The Apprentice" show. Two groups of 8 people, men on one side, women on the other. The first four tasks, the women stumbled around like lost puppies for 3 of them and yet won every time. The catch, they gave out thier phone number, while selling Lemonade for 10 bucks a cup. The guys couldn't sell jack.

    It's not surprizing that having a woman demo Linux, people are interested in learning.

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    1. Re:Sex Sells by cubicledrone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anyone watch that "The Apprentice" show.

      Yeah. I've never seen anything more tragic and discouraging on television. The most amazing thing about that show is that it almost perfectly mirrors the modern workplace.

      For that matter, so does Survivor: a group of people get together and decide who to ostracize. A fine example for society.

      --
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    2. Re:Sex Sells by GoofyBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

      >The most amazing thing about that show is that it almost perfectly mirrors the modern workplace.

      The ratio to good-looking women to men was 2 to 1.

      I, for one, welcome our new modern workplace....

      --
      The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
  29. Amusing by sir_cello · · Score: 4, Funny


    Good to know that Linux wins on technical merit and avoids the kind of gimmicks used by other big name software vendors ...

  30. Same in US, but unspoken by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Not that it's a great sales tactic: "You don't need that wimpy ease-of-use"

    Gotta keep the spin "Easy enough for *her*, so you can certainly handle it."

    Yeah, well despite all the lipservice for equality, there's still plenty of cavemen who think only a man can do such-and-such. A remarkable comment on futuristic magazine ads, back in the 50's, projected the lady of the house still doing all the work, just with more high-tech, work-saving tools. Watch day-time TV and the message that men and women have the same roles from back then is still there.

    Good leverage. Works with racism as a motivator, too. "Hey, that (insert ethnicity here) can do pretty good with a (insert tool here), guess I better be able to do as well or my arguments of everyone being inferior to (insert own ethnic group here) falls flat."

    Americans tend to have a lot of levers, thanks to lingering puritanical attitudes (watch the super bowl half time show? ;-) Careful how you try to apply them at work, though. The spin that "she can do it, so anyone should be" could land your butt on the sidewalk.

    PHB's OTOH could probably care less. Hit them with the true TCO and they're half in the pocket. Problem I've run into is most have this dinosaur attitude that Microsoft makes everything easier. If only...

    --

    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    1. Re:Same in US, but unspoken by AoT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems that having a strong woman be an example is a good balance; the sexism is only implicit for those who are more conservative and therefore less likely to want to switch in the first place. As long as you don't run around the office shouting about how linux is so easy even a woman can use it.

    2. Re:Same in US, but unspoken by katarac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems that most commercials and tv shows over-compensate for female equality. On the rare occasion that I catch a new prime-time "family" sitcom, the dad is usually a big idiot and the mom is the one who holds the home together. Especially in commercials when the wife will leave the man of the house in charge of dinner, and he doesn't know how to boil water or something. It's pretty lame. Personaly, I've found that this formula only works on The Simpsons, Family Guy, and maybe a couple of other, genuinly funny, shows.

      That's right, The Simpsons can do no wrong.

    3. Re:Same in US, but unspoken by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yeah, well despite all the lipservice for equality, there's still plenty of cavemen who think only a man can do such-and-such.

      The American record for the mile is 3:47.69; the women's record is 4:16.71. That is worse then the men's worldwide record of 1895.

      There's plenty of thing men can do that women do more poorly, and plenty of things that women can do that men do more poorly.

    4. Re:Same in US, but unspoken by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's plenty of thing men can do that women do more poorly, and plenty of things that women can do that men do more poorly.

      Ladies and gentlemen, the voice of reason.

      Thanks.

      --

      You can't take the sky from me...

    5. Re:Same in US, but unspoken by Malcontent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What is your record for the mile?

      You are talking about the extremes there. How many women at your workplace can outrun you in the mile?

      --

      War is necrophilia.

  31. In a reversal: Linux made me eat at Macdonalds by adrianbaugh · · Score: 2, Funny

    A few years ago they gave away beanie babies with Happy Meals: I just had to get the penguin one :-) (Actually, I got two as I had a SMP box at the time!)

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    - JRR Tolkien.
  32. The only thing stopping Linux... by Teckla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For a long time, I've been a huge proponent of ease-of-use. While I respected Linux from a technical perspective, I've long been dissapointed in it from an ease-of-use perspective.

    That all changed the last time I tried Linux. Knoppix, to be exact. It was jaw-droppingly impressive to me: the hardware recognition; the ease-of-use; the clean interface (KDE, in this case, though I suspect GNOME is just as nice); everything was polished and smooth.

    And then it hit me, there are only two things stopping Linux from making deep inroads into the desktop market these days:

    1. Drivers, drivers, drivers. Not enough hardware makers are bothering with drivers for Linux. Kudos to all the Linux folks writing drivers, but Linux is always at least a step or two behind. However, this problem may be solved if the project that allows Windows drivers to work under Linux is successful.

    2. Inertia. Everyone uses Windows, therefore...everyone keeps using Windows.

    My hope is that the low cost of Linux will keep driving people into its loving arms.

    So...how does this post apply to the topic at hand? Simple: anyone who has given modern distributions of Linux a chance already knows what I know: Linux is just as easy to use as Windows these days (or close enough that it doesn't matter), and the only thing holding Linux back now are the two items I listed above. Anyone who claims modern distributions of Linux are too hard to use probably shouldn't be using computers at all.

    -Teckla

    1. Re:The only thing stopping Linux... by tuffy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      1. Drivers, drivers, drivers. Not enough hardware makers are bothering with drivers for Linux. Kudos to all the Linux folks writing drivers, but Linux is always at least a step or two behind. However, this problem may be solved if the project that allows Windows drivers to work under Linux is successful.

      Frankly, I don't want most hardware makers to be writing lots of Linux drivers. I want them to build their stuff to use documented protocols (USB/Firewire/IDE/etc.) correctly so that their hardware Just Works everywhere. That way, I can pick up a piece of new hardware and have it run without any obnoxious CD loading, file downloading or kernel module installation whatsoever.

      That's the sort of ease-of-use we should be encouraging.

      --

      Ita erat quando hic adveni.

  33. Well, root, on my Linux box, receives no spam... by mark0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... so no penis enlargement ads... Therefore, when I'm using Linux, I know my penis is not in need of enlargement. Reason enough for adoption for me...

  34. Note to Microsoft by ektor · · Score: 3, Funny

    $40 billion would go a long way buying t-shirts and stuffed animals to woo users.

  35. What's black and white with poka-dots? by RLW · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does Tux need a Tuxette? What does a penguin in a bikini look like?

    1. Re:What's black and white with poka-dots? by worst_name_ever · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, if there was a "+1 Terrifying" you'd definitely get it from me.

      --

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  36. i would decribe this... by musikit · · Score: 3, Funny

    i would describe this in the same manor i would describe there being few waitors.

    women trust women. and men like to look at breast.

  37. WTF by vwjeff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So the secret to acceptance of OSS is a stuffed penguin?

    Yay, a penguin, it's cute. What does that have to do with the use of software? I'll tell you. It shows the intelligence of the people buying into this.

    Look at what the software has to offer...Please!!!

    1. Re:WTF by eddiegee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well I have to agree that its is sad that people are swayed by toy penguins and t-shirts. But tactics like these are not for techies, but for the office paper pushers who will go totally limp the moment you mention all the technical wizardry that makes "Linux Oh So Much Better Than M$" The penguins and cute tshirts are a foot in the door to get these users to have a good first impression of Linux. Talking about stability and security won't do any good to these users. Until they actually use Linux its all just talk. The first time one of their pals using Windows bitches about the Outlook Virus of the Week they will then start to "get it"

  38. What about ./ personals? There are plenty! by blorg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What, you haven't seen the "She thinks Tux is cute" ads, etc. Ok, maybe you're a subscriber. Offtopic, but I never told ./ my gender, yet the ads *always* feature women. You don't have to put 4 together to be a bit suspicious of the gender balance there...

  39. Women... by derphilipp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Women...
    harder to understand than klingon,
    harder to handle than SAP,
    harder to resist than an open telnet port...

    Ain't women what we all do this for ?

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  40. 1 is a direct consequence of 2 by Ian_Bailey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The only reason companies don't release driver's for Linux is because "no one uses Linux". "Everyone uses Windows", they think, "so we can capture most of our market by just working on Windows."

    Of course, this isn't true anymore, and slowly, as more people are using Linux, more companies are realizing that Linux is worth supporting.

    This doesn't apply just to drivers, it applies to specialized software as well.

  41. It's not that hard, stupid! by dacarr · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My wife mastered it after a year away from OS/2. I have a half-blind neighbor who is getting there, coming from being a 12:00 flasher on Windoze. Many people in the group I hang out with is involved with this, and many of *them* aren't that technically inclined.

    So... how hard is it, really?

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    This sig no verb.
  42. Its What you are used to by Revek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem with migration from windows to linux is really a question of what you are used to. People gripped a lot when microsoft made its migration from windows 3.11 to windows 95. They could not find their programs, screensaveers, etc.etc. The gnome or kde desktops with koffice work just fine. They may not contain all the bells and whistles of microsoft products but they are fully functional. They may have trouble with printers or external devices but I have to show one lady how to print to a different printer on her machine on a weekly basis. Users will get used to anything. After all they got used to haveing to restart twice a day. Personally for me a move to linux would reduce the number of virus ladden emails I can't convince them not to open. It would also reduce the spyware I have to clean off weekly.

  43. Re:Janet Jackson by emptybody · · Score: 3, Insightful

    She has won.

    She was disappearing from the public radar.
    She was loosing her celebrity status.

    On Tuesday following the half time show she was:
    on the cover of 8 different magazines at B&N
    on the cover of a number of local papers
    in the headlines on more magazines and papers
    on every news cast
    in various articles inside the various media formats

    AND,
    her name continues to be brought up in obscure places like slashdot.

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  44. Part of bigger move to Open Source in German Govt by blorg · · Score: 3, Informative
    SuSE is a logical choice given that it's a German company but this is part of a much larger move towards Open Source by the German government, which has been going on for some time now. They did a deal with IBM to let agencies buy IBM hardware and SuSE software at discounts competitive with MS. They are doing this, according to the Interior Minister, because "We raise the level of IT security by avoiding monocultures, we lower the dependency on single software vendors, and we reach costs savings in software and operation costs."

    The difference with MS is that while using SuSE, due to the nature of Open Source they are not tied to and reliant on a single vendor. This is just the latest town to so convert, albeit with interesting staff-persuasion tactics!

  45. You know what that means? by gosand · · Score: 5, Funny
    That's it, I'll switch to hurd.

    The number of people using hurd just doubled!

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    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  46. Arbeit... by boy_afraid · · Score: 2, Informative

    Arbeit macht das Leben suss!!

  47. This woman doesn't... by IchBinDasWalross · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's photoshopped. If you zoom in on the "LINUX" on her panties, the color of the text is #FFFFFF. That doesn't happn in real life.

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    Mod "Overrated" instead of replying "I disagree with you," you coward.
  48. This is a great day by The+Bungi · · Score: 5, Funny
    Someone has just come up with step 2:
    1. Write free software
    2. Promote using techie bimbo and assortment of stuffed toys (was: ???)
    3. Profit!
    A great day indeed.
  49. B29 Strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A similar strategy was used in WW2 to get pilots to accept the B29 bomber, which was considered difficult to fly.
    The male pilots decided that it was flyable when a crew of female pilots were trained to fly it.

  50. Not a great idea by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I cant imagine this being a very successful company, when they have to use bribes and sex to encourage the employees to use a tool you've mandated.

    Right, that's a good management style. Make unilateral, completely unpopular decisions with no effort to win people over or assuage their fears. Great management style. In general, having employees not hate management is a good thing. Especially since all it cost here was a couple of t-shirts and stuffed toys.

    How about this approach... "Use the damned software!". Really, I dont know why people seem to think they should have complete freedom on a computer at work. The company owns the machine, and the company chooses the software... so long as the company involved the proper employees in evaluating which is the best software(s) to use... thats it, end of story. Employees really shouldnt have a choice one way or another.

    Again, treating your employees like shit is a great way to kill morale and drive them away from the company. I'm assuming you're not a manager.

    So instead, you get this boneheaded company in germany, that is now going to have a number of mail employee's that have no clue how to use the software, and thus loose productivity, because there ego refuses to let them be beat by a girl?!?!

    Management wouldn't do it if they didn't think it was a good idea, and that's another issue. They were doing what they had to in order to overcome linux-phobias. And they did a great job.

    Besides that point... does male ego really apply that much to intellectual persuits? I mean, do most people think men are better then women at using a computer because of genetics? I doubt the number is high.

    Really? There's not a perception that males are better at computers than females? Because as it stands, 90+% of CS grads are male, for whatever reason. The old "no girls on /." joke is so old, yet true, that it's just taken for granted. Yes, many men are unwilling to admit a woman can do ANYTHING better than they can. And you'd be surprised, evidently, about their distribution - it's not all neanderthal plumbers, but doctors, lawyers, and computer engineers too.

  51. Hmm.... part 2 by MachDelta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, you're right - that was the easy way out.

    After all, i'd much rather prompt the girls to play with my tarballs and give my extension a header first (as long as they don't byte). Then they can finger eachother and play with their nodes while I cool off, before we all compile. I won't dev into the core details, but it would involve loading a large driver and lots of fscking and !banging.

    (And remember kids: No networking without a firewall!)


    Better? ;)

  52. Re:Janet Jackson by Elektroschock · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well,

    do we need a how to edit adult pics with gimp tutorial?

    Do we need a naked Linux Torvalds in order to promote Sauna - Linux?

  53. Campaigns by Solokron · · Score: 2, Funny

    If only Dean would have spent all that money on stuffed animals instead.

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  54. Realistic demographic of NYC, actually by lysium · · Score: 4, Funny
    The ratio to good-looking women to men was 2 to 1.

    Welcome to New York City! I am one of six straight men in an office of 400 (Facilities staff not taken into account). It truly is refreshing working with so many women.

    However, two points worth taking into account:

    • *Half are neurotic. Terribly, terribly neurotic.

    • *Most of the rest are killers looking for someone far above your earning potential.

    So come on over! You'll have a great time dating around here.

    ==---------==

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    Together, we will drive the rats from the tundra.
  55. No more geek sex jokes ... okay, *one* more by duck_prime · · Score: 3, Funny
    These booth girls... if i'm new to Linux, will they 'mount' my 'hard drive'?
    With an attitude like that, you likely won't get any fast physical I/O without a lot of cache.
  56. I can... by Penguinisto · · Score: 2, Funny

    "when I'm out running along a well used path in my town, there is no fucking way I can live with a woman running infront of me."

    I can -- the view is better. /P

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  57. The name for this isn't MARKETING. by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's EMBARRASSING.

    Just a few minutes ago, Aunt Tilley taught me how to compile my 1st kernel, & when I asked her a question, she refused to answer. I can't remember what she said exactly, but was something to do with man pages, howtos & Google.

  58. UNIX Lyrics by Boawk · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the early 90's I worked at a company that had a technical writer who was responsible for editing our Intro to UNIX course. One day he was waltzing down the hall singing:

    "Going to grep my pipe and chown my sticky bits, yea..."

  59. The Holy Roman Catholic Church by butane_bob2003 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is responsible for the adoptation of Linux. Bear with me here. The idea of women being the 'weaker sex' is a product of the 1000+ year old war on pagan goddess worship waged by the Catholic Church. Women in ancient times were revered as sacred vessels of fertility. Constantine, later rulers and the Catholic Popes did their best to destroy the idea of goddess worship and make the women a secondary being, which was a major factor in shaping our society today.

    So when men are amazed at women's ability to use Linux, their amazement can be attributed to the work of the early Roman Catholic Church, which continues today.

    IFO was sold on Linux not by a woman, but by a penguin. I don't know how where the Church comes in there. The nuns in the catholic school I went to as a kid looked a lot like penguins. But I was never attracted to them. Really.

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    1. Re:The Holy Roman Catholic Church by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Informative

      The idea of women being the 'weaker sex' is a product of the 1000+ year old war on pagan goddess worship waged by the Catholic Church.

      Well, well, trolling against a religious group I see... I'm not in the habit of defending organised religion, but you're making my bullshit radar go off the chart.

      Women in ancient times were revered as sacred vessels of fertility. Constantine, later rulers and the Catholic Popes did their best to destroy the idea of goddess worship and make the women a secondary being, which was a major factor in shaping our society today.

      Yeah, next you're gonna claim that women had the right to vote in Athens huh?

      First of all, Judaism started a pogrom against godess worship 3 thousand years before that.

      Secondly, women have been considered the weaker sex in china and japan for aeons too, where they hadn't even heard of the Catholic church. Women in china and japan were forbidden from learning to write, so they had to make up their own "women's language". Hiragana and Katakana in japan, and I forget the name of the chineese one.
      What, did the catholic church pray for the heatens to embrace that woman-bellitteling you pretend they invented?

      And finally, the reason women are considered the weaker sex is because they are weaker. Is the roman catholic church also responsible for secretly weakening female olympians so that they would systematically achive lower performances than that of the mens? What secret roman catholic magic powers did they use to accomplish that? The gap has been shortening in recent decades thanks to illicit drugs and homone treatments (see the east-germany women's olympic swimming team from 1976 and 1980...scary!), but women still lift less, swim and run slower, etc.

      Jeez, using anti-sexism to spread racism...that's something.

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  60. Re: Only sort-of true..... by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem *really* is, most "marketing" is centered around lying or pushing around half-truths, so people hear only what they want to hear about a given new product.

    If "marketing" really equated with "teaching people about the product", advertisements would point out all the pluses AND minuses.

    Linux lacking "marketing" is probably partially because open source developers don't stand to benefit in the long run if everyone goes around heralding their unfinished work as the ultimate solution to a problem. Folks find out it's not, and then they're soured to the whole project. Developers, unlike businesses, are just concerned with building the best product they can build. Marketing is about generating *sales* and bringing in the maximum amount of *profit*. These aren't an integral part of the Linux requirements for existance.

  61. Re:The Future is Open by autocracy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Would you believe? All the "view" links involve closed codecs. Thank guys. Go IBM!

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  62. Stuffed animals and Testosterone Pride by rjamestaylor · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Are the Germany councilmen (yes, men) closet homosexuals? Stuffed animals to wins their hearts but they can't afford to be seen in public being weaker than a woman? Call the Drudgereport! Sound the alarm! "German Councilmen Outed by Linux!"

    Kidding aside, this shows that everything is politics, salesmanship and psychology; even something as simple as choosing the best software platform.

    Congratulations!

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