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Doctorow: Ebooks Neither E Nor Books

xanderwilson writes "Author Cory Doctorow has released his paper/speech for the O'Reilly Emerging Technologies Conference this year into the public domain. A very interesting read about his experience with Magic Kingdom (which he is soon re-releasing under a more lenient Creative Commons license), the failure of e-books, and filesharing as a tool for creators."

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  1. Word wrap? by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I wouldn't read e-books either if they have this same problem with no-word-wrap. Horizontal scrolling to read in my humble experience is annoying, too bad someone didn't do a better job of formatting it.

    I can't think of many examples where I've prefered an e-reference over printed matter. The paradigm is that paper is portable and requires no power (aside from a light source) to read, never expires, never needs an upgrade (other than me needing glasses, which would apply equally in either case) and is durable (drop my Zaurus or laptop and I'll cry, drop my book and I'll just pick it back up.)

    Complimenting e-books and paper seems reasonable, though I'll go to the paper first every time.

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    1. Re:Word wrap? by rm007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Complimenting e-books and paper seems reasonable, though I'll go to the paper first every time

      Definitely, paper if you actually want to read the thing, electronic to give you more flexibility in using the text, as you and the author of the article mention. We all know what staring at a screen for long periods does to your eyes, even if you have a large, hi-res monitor. Given the choice of one, it has to be paper.

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    2. Re:Word wrap? by SuperBanana · · Score: 0, Troll
      I wouldn't read e-books either if they have this same problem with no-word-wrap.

      Maybe you need a browser that handles text files better, my friend...because Safari wraps it just fine. Hardly "insightful" of you to point out a bug in your own browser; after all, it would word-wrap a big long string of HTML, now wouldn't it?

      On a side-note, it's better than those websites which insist on using a quarter of your screen because the designer's too stupid to make a layout that works at any screen width....

      drop my Zaurus or laptop and I'll cry, drop my book and I'll just pick it back up

      No kiddin', really? If I drop a $20 calculator, I'm not going to be upset much either...but if I drop my HP48GX(hasn't been made in years, cost a couple hundred $), I'm gonna be pissed. Similarly, if I had a rare book that was leather-bound, gilded, etc...and then went and spilled something on it...it'd be even worse.

    3. Re:Word wrap? by Jotaigna · · Score: 1

      maybe flexible organic led displays may offer an alternative in the near future, in terms of visual quality and ruggedness. I agree ebooks are not at their best, but as soon as they start mimmicking the thousand years old good properties of normal books, the sooner we'll stop killing trees for paper.

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    4. Re:Word wrap? by DuSTman31 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      never expires, never needs an upgrade

      Unless it's a computer book.. I know I've got books that act as references to software that no-one uses anymore because newer versions have come out, as well as references for APIs that I end up not using because expansions in newer versions have rendered it incomplete

      It may be true, of course, that they've not become incorrect, and that they may be of historical interest, but that's all the use they are now, and it seems a great waste

      Sure, it may not seem as natural to read off a screen as it is to read off paper (primarily, I think, because you can hold a book in your hand, and remember the position you were reading from by that reference), but I'd rather have E-books, or even a web page or stand alone reference program for that, as it avoids the wastage.

    5. Re:Word wrap? by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Horizontal scrolling to read in my humble experience is annoying, too bad someone didn't do a better job of formatting it.

      Umm... How big of a font do you use in your browser?

      A lot of people have complained about the formatting, but I use an out-of-the-box Netscape 7.0, and it looks fine - Standard 80-column plaintext, just like you'd get from an old DOS text file, or anything from Project Gutenberg. No long lines, no funky characters, no gaudy color schemes...

      Sure, making it a tad prettier wouldn't hurt, but I don't know why everyone has complained about it so far. Have people actually grown so used to having pretty NP fonts, with a nice background and internal hyperlinks, that they can't stand what once-upon-a-time existed as the dominant form of text on the PC?

    6. Re:Word wrap? by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      Using Mozilla Firebird.

      I use an older version of Mozilla at home, to read USENET news and get strange messages with extremely long lines at times. Possibly the browser sees the .txt extension and assumes PREformatting.

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    7. Re:Word wrap? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      never expires, never needs an upgrade

      Unless it's a computer book...

      Or a college textbook. It's particularly annoying when a university class requires, say, the fifth edition of book X, when the only substantive difference between the 5th and 4th editions appears to be inconsequential additions that throw the page numbering so reading and exercise assignment references by the professor^Wgrad student assitant are relevant only to the 5th edition. "No, you can't buy the used 4th edition for $40, you have to get the 5th for $120". Bastards.

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    8. Re:Word wrap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely, paper if you actually want to read the thing, electronic to give you more flexibility in using the text, as you and the author of the article mention. We all know what staring at a screen for long periods does to your eyes, even if you have a large, hi-res monitor. Given the choice of one, it has to be paper.

      I'm the exact opposite. Besides being able to set the font nice and big, the main thing I like is text-to-speech software. I set the speed to about 450wps and comfortably read along.

      I was never much of a reader growing up and even now I can't read more than a few pages of a paper book without drifting off. With the help of test-to-speech, I often finish books in one sitting. My book consumption has gone from less than one per year, to about 3-4 a week. I suppose its become somewhat of a mental crutch, but I really don't care because the alternative just wasn't working for me.

      If I must read a book that I can't find digital version for, I cut it up and scan/ocr it first.

    9. Re:Word wrap? by orthogonal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm the exact opposite. Besides being able to set the font nice and big, the main thing I like is text-to-speech software. I set the speed to about 450wps and comfortably read along.... My book consumption has gone from less than one per year, to about 3-4 a week.

      450 words per second??? I had no idea Alvin & the Chipmunks had produced so many audio-books.

      And despite 450 words per second, you're still only reading 3-4 a week?

    10. Re:Word wrap? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      How big of a font do you use in your browser?

      The correct answer to this question is "a font size that's comfortable for me to read."

      Perhaps on your desktop, 80-column text is easy to read -- but what about on my pocketpc/smartphone/tiny device? It can't display more than 40 characters per line even if I wanted it to...

    11. Re:Word wrap? by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      Most devices that are used for ebooks have LCD screens so there is no fatigue.

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    12. Re:Word wrap? by cookie_cutter · · Score: 1
      Have people actually grown so used to having pretty NP fonts, with a nice background and internal hyperlinks, that they can't stand what once-upon-a-time existed as the dominant form of text on the PC?

      Yes.

    13. Re:Word wrap? by etLux · · Score: 3, Funny

      Word wrap? The convenience of readability? Good Pluto's rectum-fired ghost, man, is that all you're concerned over? Let's see you wrap fish or line the litter box with an e-book... To me, these issues are far, far more critical.

    14. Re:Word wrap? by Batmensch · · Score: 1

      I think we have a failure to communicate ;) Those of use using Mozilla-based browsers (other than Netscape 7, I guess) did not get proper line wrapping with this file; we were required to scroll a long ways to the right to see the whole thing.

    15. Re:Word wrap? by senatorpjt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Am I the only person that finds black-on-white text incredibly irritating? I try to set my apps to grey-on-black text whenever possible, at the expense of appearance. White backgrounds give me a headache after looking at them for a few minutes.

    16. Re:Word wrap? by bluGill · · Score: 1

      I multitask. That means that I have more than just my web browser open on my screen at this time, and some of those windows have something in them that I'm looking at.

      A web page should not assume that I'm running full screen, or even at 800x600, because neither is true. I like my Konqueror window open tall and skinny, which is great for me, unless someone forces a bigger size.

    17. Re:Word wrap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed totally. Light text on a dark background is much better for me, especially on light-emitting surfaces. For reflective stuff (paper), dark-on-light might work; but with the whole screen glowing it really feels like staring into a lightbulb.

  2. Ebooks by mknewman · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a regular Ebook purchaser, mainly PeanutPress which is now owned by Palm, but also a few for MS's book reader. I read them on my PC and on my PocketPC. It's quite a good Ebook reader platform, nice bright screen and fast paging. Marc

    1. Re:Ebooks by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      I've found eBooks on a PocketPC very readable - perfect for bathroom breaks or cab rides...

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  3. Posting article for the sake of word wrap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Ebooks: Neither E, Nor Books Paper for the O'Reilly Emerging Technologies Conference, 2004 February 12, 2004 San Diego, CA Cory Doctorow doctorow@craphound.com -- Forematter: This talk was initially given at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference [ http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2004 ], along with a set of slides that, for copyright reasons (ironic!) can't be released alongside of this file. However, you will find, interspersed in this text, notations describing the places where new slides should be loaded, in [square-brackets]. This text is dedicated to the public domain, using a Creative Commons public domain dedication: > Copyright-Only Dedication (based on United States law) > > The person or persons who have associated their work with this > document (the "Dedicator") hereby dedicate the entire copyright > in the work of authorship identified below (the "Work") to the > public domain. > > Dedicator makes this dedication for the benefit of the public at > large and to the detriment of Dedicator's heirs and successors. > Dedicator intends this dedication to be an overt act of > relinquishment in perpetuity of all present and future rights > under copyright law, whether vested or contingent, in the Work. > Dedicator understands that such relinquishment of all rights > includes the relinquishment of all rights to enforce (by lawsuit > or otherwise) those copyrights in the Work. > > Dedicator recognizes that, once placed in the public domain, the > Work may be freely reproduced, distributed, transmitted, used, > modified, built upon, or otherwise exploited by anyone for any > purpose, commercial or non-commercial, and in any way, including > by methods that have not yet been invented or conceived. -- For starters, let me try to summarize the lessons and intuitions I've had about ebooks from my release of two novels and most of a short story collection online under a Creative Commons license. A parodist who published a list of alternate titles for the presentations at this event called this talk, "eBooks Suck Right Now," [eBooks suck right now] and as funny as that is, I don't think it's true. No, if I had to come up with another title for this talk, I'd call it: "Ebooks: You're Soaking in Them." [Ebooks: You're Soaking in Them] That's because I think that the shape of ebooks to come is almost visible in the way that people interact with text today, and that the job of authors who want to become rich and famous is to come to a better understanding of that shape. I haven't come to a perfect understanding. I don't know what the future of the book looks like. But I have ideas, and I'll share them with you: 1. Ebooks aren't marketing. [Ebooks aren't marketing] OK, so ebooks *are* marketing: that is to say that giving away ebooks sells more books. Baen Books, who do a lot of series publishing, have found that giving away electronic editions of the previous installments in their series to coincide with the release of a new volume sells the hell out of the new book -- and the backlist. And the number of people who wrote to me to tell me about how much they dug the ebook and so bought the paper-book far exceeds the number of people who wrote to me and said, "Ha, ha, you hippie, I read your book for free and now I'm not gonna buy it." But ebooks *shouldn't* be just about marketing: ebooks are a goal unto themselves. In the final analysis, more people will read more words off more screens and fewer words off fewer pages and when those two lines cross, ebooks are gonna have to be the way that writers earn their keep, not the way that they promote the dead-tree editions. 2. Ebooks complement paper books. [Ebooks complement paper books]. Having an ebook is good. Having a paper book is good. Having both is even better. One reader wrote to me and said that he read half my first novel from the bound book, and printed the other half on scrap-paper to read at the beach. Students write to me to say that it's easier to do their term papers if they can

    1. Re:Posting article for the sake of word wrap by Original+AIDS+Monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thanks for taking an unreadable format and making it even more unreadable.

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    2. Re:Posting article for the sake of word wrap by mariox19 · · Score: 1

      What unreadable format are you talking about, parenthetical citations as opposed to footnotes?

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  4. Re:This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks fine to me. It's a plain-text file. If you don't like the way it wraps and such in your browser, maybe you should try using a proper text editor to view it.

    As the important part of the document is the content, there's no need for it to be in HTML. It is a speech, after all, and not a press release.

  5. More info on Cory by Rope_a_Dope · · Score: 5, Informative

    He runs a fairly popular blog at BoingBoing.net where you can read about his exploits at the ETCON conference.
    Also, his book is actually titled Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom. More information about his original release of the book, and re-release with the Creative Commons license can be read on his blog, and give good insight into what authors can expect when they release a book with a less restrictive license.

    1. Re:More info on Cory by pigpogm · · Score: 4, Informative

      His second book is now out, too - Eastern Standard Tribe.

      The first was so successful, that he's releasing this one the same way - free to download, or buy the printed version.

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    2. Re:More info on Cory by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Cory is also a regular visitor to TechTV's The Screen Savers to explain position statements from the EFF.

    3. Re:More info on Cory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't he coming out with a sequel Run-Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom ?

    4. Re:More info on Cory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope his editor cleans up stuff like this:

      This talk was initially given at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference [ http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2004 ], along with a set of slides that, for copyright reasons (ironic!) can't be released alongside of this file. However, you will find, interspersed in this text, notations describing the places where new slides should be loaded, in [square-brackets].

      Alongside is a preposition itself, it does not need "of" (like "off"). The last comma isolates an objective clause from the verb it modifies. Of course, the parenthetical "interspersed in this text" didn't require commas, but that's a minor stylistic quibble.

    5. Re:More info on Cory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's also a supporter of terrorists like Mike Hawash, automatically believes and promotes every anti-Bush conspiracy theory that comes down the line, and thinks that spammers hijacking his network to send you spam is your problem, not his.

  6. "less restrictive" is not honest by hymie3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To say that releasing under the Creative Commons is less restricive is certainly disingenuous. While this statement is true, it totally disregards *how* lenient it is.

    Basically, anyone, anywhere, can take this work and do anything (noncommercial) with the work. Write a screenplay. Make a rap version of it. Write fanfic. Anything.

    Although some franchises turn a blind eye to such activies (startrek fanfic, for example, is allowed to exist), Doctorow is, literally, giving us all a license to whatever we want.

    In today's world of "sue first, ask questions later", this move is amazing and should be applauded. Good job! I hope that this proves to be a success, both from a creative perspective and an economic one.

    1. Re:"less restrictive" is not honest by farmgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, if you bother to read you'll see that it was already under a Creative Commons license, just a more restrictive one that allowed copies to be made and shared, but nothing else.

      The license it is now under allows for pretty much any non-commercial use. Basically, do what ever you want to with it as long as you're not making any money off of it.

    2. Re:"less restrictive" is not honest by ahdeoz · · Score: 1

      What if I choose not to accept his creative commons license and go buy the book (or check it of from a library?) Then I fall under the more lenient standard copywrite laws where I can do anything commercial with the work, as long as I don't copy it. Fan fiction, music inspired by, and other derivative works are all perfectly legal, even if done for profit. I can use his character's name, or steal his plot for my movie. As long as I don't do both.

    3. Re:"less restrictive" is not honest by hymie3 · · Score: 1

      Fan fiction, music inspired by, and other derivative works are all perfectly legal, even if done for profit.

      I'm not certain that's the case. You definitely have to obtain permission (obtain a license) to, say, make a screenplay version of a novel, even if you don't copy any of the dialogue verbatim.

      "Stealing" a plot is also definitely a no-no. I can't re-create the movie StarWars shot-by-shot, only changing the characters' names and re-arranging the dialogue. (unless it's parody, which is usually protected speech). Similar themes are fine (Matrix "borrows" from Dark City and Johnny Mnemonic, for example); blatant copying is not allowed.

      Didn't Sony get into trouble with this issue regarding Underworld?

    4. Re:"less restrictive" is not honest by SFEley · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Didn't Sony get into trouble with this issue regarding Underworld?

      They didn't get into trouble; White Wolf and one of their short story authors tried to make trouble, saying "Vampire-on-werewolf action? Been done!" Their brief was pretty thin on the ground, IMO, basically implying that these cliches were White Wolf's invention when it was obvious both sources were drawing from a common pool of cliches. WW failed to get their injunction in court, and it all went nowhere.

      That said, the rest of your post is pretty much on-target. Derivatives are strictly controlled under copyright law, and fan fiction is not legal unless the copyright holder explicitly says it is. You can't copyright an idea, but pretty much everything related to a specific expression of an idea is under the creator's control until he gives it away or sells it.

      (This is what bugs me when people start railing off about the evils of copyright. It's not an us-vs.-them situation. Open licenses like the GPL and Creative Commons are not against copyright in any way; they're explicit contracts transferring the creator's rights to his expression. Without copyright law these licenses would have no force nor meaning whatsoever.)

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  7. Re:This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. by TechBCEternity · · Score: 4, Funny

    see you're missing the point

    the article is free but the word wrapping is offered as a premium service.

  8. Obligatory Critic quote by DakotaK · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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    1. Re:Obligatory Critic quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parent was a quote, not a fact. Why do unfunny Simpsons quotes get +5 funny, when funny quotes like this get modded down?

  9. Paper manuals by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Several open source projects like MySQLhave found a way to make money by selling their maunal as a printed book, even though all of the content of said book is already available online. Some people just like having their documentation on paper so they have more screen space for other things.

    1. Re:Paper manuals by Endive4Ever · · Score: 2, Informative

      The FSF sells printed, bound copies of the GNU Emacs Manual. They have for years. My copy is over 15 years old now.

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    2. Re:Paper manuals by mcubed · · Score: 1

      Some people just like having their documentation on paper

      *Raises hand* Somewhat OT, but one thing that has bugged me in my first forays into Linux OSes over the past few months is the utter lack of comprehensive and up-to-date documentation in any form, paper or electronic. And I do much prefer paper, wherever possible. I bought Running Linux, 4th Ed. and Linux in a Nutshell in paper form and both have come in handy, though neither are up-to-the-minute. I even bought FreeBSD Mall's FreeBSD 5.1 box to get the manual in printed form (also, I thought I might try FreeBSD, but my installation attempts so far have failed), even though that is more out-of-date, yet still handy.

      To bring this around to ideas touched upon in Doctorow's excellent piece, one of the advantages of the electronic format is that it can be easily, inexpensively, and quickly updated -- compared to printed docs, which have to be, well, written, typeset, printed, and distributed. The problems is that, with regard to Linux documentation, it is not being updated -- at best, it's being patched up here and there. I have now about 30 bookmarks to non-distro-specific documentation websites, and not one of them is up-to-date in every regard, or even in most regards. I guess that's understandable -- coders like writing code, not docs. But it's a PITA for a newbie like me, and I think it's a stumbling block that doesn't get enough attention in the many Linux-for-the-desktop discussions on /. and elsewhere. It's not so much that learning how to use a Linux OS is all that difficult, it's the lack of one comprehensive place where you can find correct and updated answers to 90% of your questions without too much difficulty. Microsoft provides this (and for the remaining 10%, there are an enormous number of solid, useful, comprehensive alternatives), Apple provides this (and ditto, even if the number of alternative isn't quite as enormous -- it doesn't need to be), but it doesn't exist for Linux. Getting answers to Linux issues is a hunt & peck exercise during which you may get lucky or you may get frustrated

      I would have thought it might fall to the commercial distros to provide better and more up-to-date docs, since they are after all selling a product, and products usually come with manuals. But from what I've been able to gather, only SuSE excels at this, and not even it can keep up -- in neither printed nor e- form. So if one of the advantages of ebooks is that they can be more readily updated, why aren't they?

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  10. tease value by shojo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps it is the general preference for the printed page that gives the electronic release its power. It may tease the reader into buying the whole book later on. Also, it can't hurt the buzz.

    Of course some say print is dead. But if print is dead then so too is the novel. No one wants to read 300 plus pages on a screen. And more importantly, no one wants to re-read a novel on screen. Very little interaction with the object there. No sense of "consumption."

    1. Re:tease value by DdJ · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Of course some say print is dead. But if print is dead then so too is the novel. No one wants to read 300 plus pages on a screen. And more importantly, no one wants to re-read a novel on screen. Very little interaction with the object there. No sense of "consumption."
      I can only say that I hope you're right as far as most of the population is concerned, because I know you're wrong as far as I'm concerned. I've gotten to the point where I actually prefer to read novels on my handheld. A recent novel I bought came with a CD-ROM containing the same novel in electronic form. I loaded it on to my palm and then proceeded to totally ignore the actual book.

      I've read several full-length novels this way now, and speaking only for myself, I absolutely prefer it, by a fairly wide margin. I have an entire library in my pocket all the time, the book mark never falls out, and I can read in the dark. Hurah for the Baen free library!
    2. Re:tease value by nathan+s · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've seen thousands of times people saying that they don't read books on the computer. I honestly don't understand this. My eyes are equally uncomfortable after 8-hour marathon reading sessions and spending 8 hours staring at a screen. There is little to no difference to me as to whether I'll read something online or offline, rather than cost and the 'reading room' factor [don't really feel like carrying digital devices in there]. So effectively I end up reading almost every book I've read in the past three years on my regular desktop screen or laptop LCD, and have found it to be little different in terms of strain/ease of use.

      I suspect that the largest difference is really one of habituation. People grow up attaching certain expectations/sentimental values to the process of reading and do prefer print, but I'm not at all convinced that print is any less harsh on your eyes than screen. Remind yourself to blink once in a while and you'll probably be fine in both cases.

      Personally, I really hope e-books take off. The Gutenberg project has been a part of my life since I was 14 and discovered it on a local BBS, and I have since found that almost anything I wish to read can be found digitized.

      The only real complaint I have with e-books are the unauthorized scans of books - they tend to be poorly edited, or constructed using the "OCR and publish" method without any preview/cleanup at all. But, that's a side effect of my choice to read such scans, and I'm not complaining excessively.

      Just a bunch of random thoughts..maybe someone will find it interesting.:-)

    3. Re:tease value by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      I have introduced my family to the(now out of production)RCA REB 1100 ebook, and they love it. It's about as close to a regular book available, but with UPGRADES!

      You can have 5,10, or 30 books on it at a time. It saves your place, or you can easily add many bookmarks. It is backlit so you can read in the dark.

      My dad loves it because he can make the font bigger so he no longer needs a magnifying glass to read the books.

      I also prefer reading books from my e-book. I no longer have to worry about finishing a book somewhere and then not having anything to read. The handheld is more comfortable than a book for me, one handed without the age old finger strain from a paperback at the beginning and end of the book from the different width of the pages to hold.

      I can also pretty easily take some text from a website with me or get fanfiction etc... I hope someone starts again making something like the REB 1100 because I can't really see going back to the hassles of paperbacks.

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    4. Re:tease value by l810c · · Score: 1
      I have read nearly 100 novels on my Franklin Ebookman in the past 3 years. I really like the backlight and the ability to read in bed at night.

      There is an interesting ebook reader here. I contacted the company and they said it would be available at Amazon in Q2. They offered to sell me one with Chinese manuals for $169(EB660)/$199(EB683). It's not color, but has a unique screen that only uses energy when you change a page. 2 AA batteries are supposed to last for 15000 pages!

      Here's an early review. Sounds like many his issues could be resolved witha software update.

    5. Re:tease value by mgg4 · · Score: 1

      I've read several full-length novels this way now, and speaking only for myself, I absolutely prefer it, by a fairly wide margin. I have an entire library in my pocket all the time, the book mark never falls out, and I can read in the dark.

      Amen to that. I have even (re)purchased ebook versions of novels I already own in paper form. It is just much more convenient for me.

      Of course, I do see the points that others make about batteries, and the durability of some of the electronic devices. Still, it's possible to ruin a paper book too. Ever drop one in the loo? Soggy books are hard to read.

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  11. eBooks, failure? by bnlrules · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work for a large corporate library with a large collection of eBooks. They are easily more popular than the hard copies. For quick reference they can't be beat!

    1. Re:eBooks, failure? by Shadow2097 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      bnlrules sez:
      "For quick reference they can't be beat!"

      I think you've hit the nail on the head. If I have a hard copy of the LotR trilogy and an electronic copy, I'll get exactly the same story, same information. Heck, probably even the same font.

      Aside from the information, their uses can be vastly divergent. Lets say that I'm writing a college term paper on the LotR. With the electronic copy, I can search through it with a few key strokes and be 100% accurate. Doing the same thing with a hard copy would require days/weeks of annotating with pen/paper as you read it. And having done such a thing, its much less enjoyable to read when you have to stop every few minutes to make notes rather than just let the story flow.

      I don't think ebooks are failures, they just have different strengths compared to dead tree copies.

      Shadow

  12. This is totally offtopic...but by ScottGant · · Score: 3, Offtopic

    having gone to your web site, it reads:

    Slashdot is a lie. While its purpose is to advance the cause of OSS and Lunix, its users overwhelmingly use Microsoft products to surf the web. Recently I put forth a challenge to slashdot my site in my sig file. The idea of turning a server into a smoking pile of metal is irresistible to the average Slashdotter. The hits began pouring in. Now you'd think that my referral logs would show that the visitors coming from Slashdot would be using Mozilla under Lunix. You'd be wrong though.

    So, the people that came to your site represent all of Slashdot? The people that read your sig...which by the way, I personally never saw at all until now, represent all of Slashdot?

    How can you make a sweeping generalization like that? Also, where in the offical Slashdot headlines or titles does it say "to advance the cause of OSS and Linux"? I look at it now, all I see is "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters". Plus, a ton of the stories here don't even have anything to do with computers!

    I don't really see what you're point is. Also, where is the "lie" you speak of. A lie means a deliberate falsehood, so show me where the people accessing your site SAY they're using Linux, but are lying and using Windows.

    Anyway, thought it was interesting, and this post will probably be modded down to bedrock.

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    "Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
    1. Re:This is totally offtopic...but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why don't you work at work? are you at a job that is fulfilling? it doesn't sound like it. get a job that challenges you to learn new things. god, spending half your day on the web must make the time crawl like a baby.

    2. Re:This is totally offtopic...but by birder · · Score: 1

      How can you make a sweeping generalization like that? Also, where in the offical Slashdot headlines or titles does it say "to advance the cause of OSS and Linux"?

      Hi, you must be new here. /hides in shame

    3. Re:This is totally offtopic...but by speleo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I site I administer got Slashdotted back in December. The story was posted on a Sunday.

      Here's the platform summary for that day:

      Windows: 65.17%
      Macintosh: 16.10%
      Linux: 15.99%

      Here's the browser summary:

      IE: 45.78%
      Mozilla: 29.35%
      Safari: 11.79%
      Opera: 4.44%

      The referals on that day were 92.92% Slashdot.

    4. Re:This is totally offtopic...but by Ruzty · · Score: 1

      I'd like to add that I read Slashdot from work sometimes. I have no choice at the office but to use IE on Windows. It's corporate IT's desktop choice and anything else is not an option.

      Were I to read from home you'ld see Safari on MacOSX or Konqueror on various *nix platforms for my referential information.

      Sometimes the choice is not ours to make.
      -Rusty

      --
      The Master (Angelo Rossitto) in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, "Not shit, energy!"
    5. Re:This is totally offtopic...but by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Those are pretty geeky stats. I manage a lot of commercial sites and we consistantly get 95% IE on 95% Windows. Less than 50% of users on IE is a huge deviation from the norm.
      I don't know if you were intending otherwise since you didn't comment.

    6. Re:This is totally offtopic...but by orthogonal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I site I administer got Slashdotted back in December. The story was posted on a Sunday.

      Here's the platform summary for that day:


      1. Geeks are also more likely to lie in their HTTP User-Agent header, either to work around sites that petulantly detect the browser and refuse to function if they don't like it (like my bank, which works fine in Moz* but insists it doesn't), or to frustrate sites that attempt exploits based n the browser, or just for the hell of it.

      2. I run Windows 2K. But I consider myself a more or less linux user, because do a lot of work in bash running under cygwin, and I'm trying to get coLinux up and running. Using Windows or linux is not political activity for me; I use what is most convenient to me, and Windows makes for a decent GUI experience, especially if you replace all Windows apps with Open source equivalents.

    7. Re:This is totally offtopic...but by speleo · · Score: 1

      I have no real point except to add another data point as to what the typical Slashdot visitor might be running.

      The customer site of mine that got slashdotted, that of Edward Tufte, does attract a different set of folks than what would be the norm.

      Later that month he got mentioned in USA Today and news.yahoo.com and those visits were much higher in IE/Windows than the slashdotting.

  13. Re:This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Indeed, I just cut and pasted it into KWrite and it looks great.

    Then I really got into the spirit of the thing:

    I printed it and read it on paper.

    KFG

  14. Books are more than words by StuWho · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Ebooks will never succeed until there is a way of reading them that is as comfortable, convenient, and cheap as a printed book.

    E-book publishers fail to take into account the fact that for many readers books are an object of beauty in themselves - we love the smell, feel, and character of a well made book. As things stand I can only see one or two future uses for the medium outside niche markets such as computing textbooks.

    1)Electronic versions of books included with the printed version in place of an index - with an html or similar interface for searching.

    2)If some genius could come up with a device which stored ebooks on a drive, and which was capable of having an old book put in the top (to be pulped, recycled, then reprinted with the text of a new ebook and re-bound). Can't see this happening though!

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    1. Re:Books are more than words by sstair · · Score: 3, Insightful

      StuWho wrote: > Ebooks will never succeed until there is a way of reading them that is as comfortable, convenient, and cheap as a printed book. I disagree. I think a correct version of this statement is: Printed books will never die until there is a way of reading ebooks that is as comfortable, convenient, and cheap as a printed book. I think it is obvious that these two statements are not equivalent. Your statement makes the assumption that for ebooks to succeed, printed books must die.

    2. Re:Books are more than words by valintin · · Score: 1

      It's like saying mp3s will never succeed because they are not CD quality and don't have album covers.

      Was that you twenty years ago saying electronic music will never succeed until a genius makes a machine that can produce a vinyl records and print the cover art?

      How old are you? My son has never seen a vinyl record.

      E-Books will succeed, maybe not with your generation. My son will read Steinbeck on his PDA and my dusty book collection will rise in value as collectors items, just like my vinyl.

    3. Re:Books are more than words by jtev · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm, well, let me see, I'm an avid reader (about 50 books per year) my pda cost me about $200 and lasts me about a year (ok I'm abusive to it) I make sure to keep buying PDAs that use the same memory. Now, between the baen free library, the varios baen cds, and baen webscriptions I've read more books thanks to having my PDA, and as a side effect, I have a place to keep my checkbook, (good thing) keep my schedule, and track people I know. and it tells me when I'm suposed to do things. Between savings on books and savings on overdraft charges, the PDA pays for itself in about 3 months.

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    4. Re:Books are more than words by daniel_yokomiso · · Score: 1

      Yesterday I read Cory Doctorow's "Down and out in the magic Kingdom" and "0wnz0red", while commuting to work, in my Palm. Most of my reading is done using it, e-mail, articles, etc.. Also a PDA is lighter than 5000 pages (the current content I'm carrying in it).

      Ebooks already have "a way of reading them that is as comfortable, convenient, and cheap as a printed book", most people just don't like/know/use it.

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  15. [offtopic] your chessthecat comments about /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I paraphrase your front page:

    "Slashdot is a lie because most of its users surf from Windows XP".

    And I answer thus:

    "Democracy is a lie because the most fanatical supporters of democracy choose to live in countries dominated by brutal dictators."

  16. Re:This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. by bob+dobalina · · Score: 1

    That subject line is par for the course when talking about Cory Doctorow.

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    "I'm payin' taxes, but what am I buyin'?" -- James Brown

  17. Re:This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. by fizban · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why should someone have to take extra steps beyond using a standard web browser to read content provided *on the web*? Perhaps the provider of the content should make the text available in a standard web format that all web browsers can read properly?

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  18. Re:Get yer eBook here! by pigpogm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hey, if we're doing a spot of shameless plugging here, i'll risk a few karma points ;)

    My partner has written a book, which after failing to get it off the ground by selling it, we decided to make into an e-book and give away for free. It's a bit different to almost any other books, in that it's laid out from articles and clippings from assorted fictional magazines, books, and newspapers, with lots of pictures. Nice and easy to read on a computer screen, though.

    More info, and download as a PDF, at http://pigpog.com/mblm/. There's also the option to just read it online, but only part of it is up there so far - enough to decide if it's worth the download, though.

    It's the story of a boy band from the 80s, based in the UK. They rise to reasonable fame, then fall back to obscurity. Except one of them can't take the obscurity, and hatches a plan to return...

    Our vague plan for getting anything back from this is that she's working on the second book in the story, which will hopefully be sold in a slightly more conventional way.

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    PigPog.
  19. Reference vs Enjoyment by Tarwn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I prefer my references to be electronic and my reading-for-enjoyment material to be paper.

    I am not entirely sure why I prefer paper for enjoyment reading, but the reference material should be obvious (Ctrl+F).

    I've tried reading eBooks for enjoyment, but while I can sit and read an 800 page book in one sitting I often find that I can't read an eBook for anywhere near as long.
    One of the reasons, of course, being that unless I want a workout I can't lie on my back on my bed and read an eBook, my monitor is too heavy :P
    Another being the distraction level on a computer is a lot higher, email coming, games at my fingertips, etc.
    And then there is the brightness factor, maybe it is just psychological, but I find that trying to sit down and read an eBook after already staring at a screen for 14 hours not only makes my head hurt, but it doesn't de-stress me nearly as well because I am still sitting in front of the computer...

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    1. Re:Reference vs Enjoyment by pqdave · · Score: 1

      The computer is not the best way to read an Ebook-I can't immerse myself in a computer screen, either. However for me, my PDA is better than a paper book, even though my copy of Mobipocket doesn't use high-res fonts. My book is always with me (ymmv), my next book is with me, it keeps my place, I don't need to hold the book open, I don't need a light, I can read in line, etc. The mechanics are good enough and still improving. The biggest drawback is that a lot of the books I want to read aren't in Ebook format yet.

    2. Re:Reference vs Enjoyment by Alucard454 · · Score: 1

      unless, of course, you are willing to hop on IRC and become a book pirate (yar)

      I don't particularly endorse this kind of behavior, but i cannot deny that i haven't done it myself. i woke up one day, having realized i never read anything by william gibson.. by that evening i had everything he'd ever written on my clie, and i was engrossed for the next week solid.

      of course, i later went out and gradually started purchasing the paper versions, but I don't think i ever would have, had I not had the opportunity to find out for myself whether i'd enjoy them. and screw the library etc, I actually LIKE reading ebooks on my clie. thank god for Deepreader and font antialiasing ;)

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  20. Rewrapped courtesy of html and /. by jerryasher · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ebooks: Neither E, Nor Books

    Paper for the O'Reilly Emerging Technologies Conference, 2004

    February 12, 2004

    San Diego, CA

    Cory Doctorow

    doctorow@craphound.com

    --

    Forematter:

    This talk was initially given at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference [ http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2004 ], along with a set of slides that, for copyright reasons (ironic!) can't be released alongside of this file. However, you will find, interspersed in this text, notations describing the places where new slides should be loaded, in [square-brackets].

    This text is dedicated to the public domain, using a Creative Commons public domain dedication:

    > Copyright-Only Dedication (based on United States law)
    >
    > The person or persons who have associated their work with this
    > document (the "Dedicator") hereby dedicate the entire copyright
    > in the work of authorship identified below (the "Work") to the
    > public domain.
    >
    > Dedicator makes this dedication for the benefit of the public at
    > large and to the detriment of Dedicator's heirs and successors.
    > Dedicator intends this dedication to be an overt act of
    > relinquishment in perpetuity of all present and future rights
    > under copyright law, whether vested or contingent, in the Work.
    > Dedicator understands that such relinquishment of all rights
    > includes the relinquishment of all rights to enforce (by lawsuit
    > or otherwise) those copyrights in the Work.
    >
    > Dedicator recognizes that, once placed in the public domain, the
    > Work may be freely reproduced, distributed, transmitted, used,
    > modified, built upon, or otherwise exploited by anyone for any
    > purpose, commercial or non-commercial, and in any way, including
    > by methods that have not yet been invented or conceived.

    --

    For starters, let me try to summarize the lessons and intuitions I've had about ebooks from my release of two novels and most of a short story collection online under a Creative Commons license. A parodist who published a list of alternate titles for the presentations at this event called this talk, "eBooks Suck Right Now," [eBooks suck right now] and as funny as that is, I don't think it's true.

    No, if I had to come up with another title for this talk, I'd call it: "Ebooks: You're Soaking in Them." [Ebooks: You're Soaking in Them] That's because I think that the shape of ebooks to come is almost visible in the way that people interact with text today, and that the job of authors who want to become rich and famous is to come to a better understanding of that shape.

    I haven't come to a perfect understanding. I don't know what the future of the book looks like. But I have ideas, and I'll share them with you:

    1. Ebooks aren't marketing. [Ebooks aren't marketing] OK, so ebooks *are* marketing: that is to say that giving away ebooks sells more books. Baen Books, who do a lot of series publishing, have found that giving away electronic editions of the previous installments in their series to coincide with the release of a new volume sells the hell out of the new book -- and the backlist. And the number of people who wrote to me to tell me about how much they dug the ebook and so bought the paper-book far exceeds the number of people who wrote to me and said, "Ha, ha, you hippie, I read your book for free and now I'm not gonna buy it." But ebooks *shouldn't* be just about marketing: ebooks are a goal unto themselves. In the final analysis, more people will read more words off more screens and fewer words off fewer pages and when those two lines cross, ebooks are gonna have to be the way that writers earn their keep, not the way that they promote the dead-tree editions.

    2. Ebooks complement paper books. [Ebooks complement paper books]. Having an ebook is good. Having a paper book is good. Having both is even better. One reader wrote to me and said that he read half my first

  21. Ebooks a failure? What of Project Gutenberg? by pmaccabe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know about e-books as a marketing tool for books or method to mkae money, but I do not think you can say e-books are a failure truthfully.

    Just look at Project Gutenberg. I know I, and other college students, use it often to read books that are public domain yet sold at amazingly inflated prices at the college bookstore. With such a large selection of interesting topics it is easy to find most of the classics and select ones you want to read.

    Perhaps e-books aren't the great moneymaker of the Internet, or it might be that no one has found the right business model. Either way they are from failures at promoting higher literacy and education among students.

    1. Re:Ebooks a failure? What of Project Gutenberg? by pmaccabe · · Score: 1

      sorry should read"make" not "mkae" and "far from failures" not "from failures" above.
      I stayed up to late last night.

    2. Re:Ebooks a failure? What of Project Gutenberg? by xanderwilson · · Score: 1

      And my original posting should have had failure in quotes, which I thought it did. Alex.

    3. Re:Ebooks a failure? What of Project Gutenberg? by Skadet · · Score: 1

      You mean, you stayed up "too" late last night? What is this you were saying about literacy? ;)

  22. Cheap? by Vinnie_333 · · Score: 1
    Ebooks will never succeed until there is a way of reading them that is as comfortable, convenient, and cheap as a printed book.

    Cheap!? $7.99 for the average paperback, an average of $40 for a hardcover. If you read a book a week it gets to be pretty expensive.

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    1. Re:Cheap? by StuWho · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Cheap compared to having to buy a PC or PDA just to read a book anyway!

      You're right about the prices for printed books being extortionate though.

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      "If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments." Earl Wilson
    2. Re:Cheap? by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      I don't think prices are "extortionate."

      Sure, they're higher than they used to be, but isn't a good book worth $10?

      I suppose there will always be someone whining about how anything's "too expensive," but jesus. If you're that cheap, there are always libraries.

  23. The Creative Commons Licenses by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are very interesting. Not just for software, articles, books, but also for music and art.

    Basically this is the extension of the GPL into other domains, based much on the same premise: I license you my work to use if you agree to license your derived works on the same basis.

    It's a wonderful thing, and I believe it's workable, even in commercialized fields like music and publishing. The number of artists who are unable to get their (good) work published is extraordinary. Using a CC license they can publish it, and while making no less money than if it was not published, create many more opportunities for fame and fortune.

    The established media businesses are as much a barrier to sucess for new artists as they are a source of income to established ones. The CC licenses provide the basis for a change.

    It remains to be see whether we will see a creative explosion in other fields as we have seen in software. Finally, Free Music, Free Art, and Free Words.

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  24. nevermind, I get the joke now. by ScottGant · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I get it now. At the end of that his article, he states: "As you can see, Linux is dying".

    I fell for it, you got me. Good one.

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    "Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
  25. The real reason for Ebook by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ebooks aren't dead. People just haven't caught on to the real reasons to read ebooks on your palm pilot other than a real book. Compactness, you can cram about a 100 ebooks on an average 128mb memory stick. This is the eqivilant of carrying a small library with you every where you go. An this is very important. Nothing is worse than being suck on the can with nothing to read.

    This goes to my second reason with compactness. You can stick a palm pilot in you pocket when you head to the can at work. It looks less suspicous when you head to the head to take a shi than if you had a book under your arm. Boss won't notice as much.

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    1. Re:The real reason for Ebook by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      Yes, compactness can be useful, but you can't read 128 MB of e-books in an hour. You can easily listen to 128 MB of MP3s in an hour, however. A good-sized book can take at least a week to read at a leisurely pace, and you're not going to go through a library of books per day. They might be useful for reference, sure, but is there really any advantage in reading an e-book on a PDA during your morning commute, versus reading a paperback? It's possible if you already have a PDA, but otherwise it's just not worth it.

      I think e-books will begin to take off once more people have made that initial investment in a PDA. It'll be one useful function of a PDA, but it certainly isn't a killer app.

    2. Re:The real reason for Ebook by orthogonal · · Score: 1

      Ebooks aren't dead. People just haven't caught on to the real reasons to read ebooks on your palm pilot

      And page turning can be done (easily) with the same hand that holds the book, leaving the other hand free. Free to hold a sandwich, perverts.

      And contra Doctorow's speech, ebooks are easier to read in the bathtub or hottub. If you're really worried, put in a ziplock.

      And with an ebook, as my eyes get tired, I can increase the font size. When I get tired of hitting the next page button too frequently, I can decrease the font size.

      With the qtopia reader I can get any word in the text defined with a single tap on it. Or I can add annotations or bookmarks.

      And I can copy intreating quotes to my common-place book more easily. And search for words, etc., etc.

      Ebooks lag in two ways: screen resolution, and screen size (a PC monitor is too big, a Zaurus or Palm Pilot a little too small). A super-high resolution screen that folds to the size of a Zaurus and unfolds to the size of a single paper-back page (7" x 4.25") -- essentially a paperback sheet folded into thirds -- will bring eBooks into their own, so long as the greedy and short-sighted don't screw it up with DRM.

    3. Re:The real reason for Ebook by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      There is one more reason that has to do with compactness of ebooks that I didn't mention. All those physical books take up space, lots of space. Now while I would love to have a bigass library of books I don't have the space for such a thing. I imagine many of my fellow geeks don't ether.

      For example, last summer I cleaned out my book storage. I gave away 25 years of books that I had been hording. It come to about 3500 books that served no purpose in my closets but to take up space. I can fit that many books on to my harddrive and barely notice the space gone.

      Hard drives are cheap, physical storage space isn't

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  26. Paper book ruling: random access and low cost by jorlando · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ebook will fail along they still expensive. you can buy a cheap edition of some book, even a best seller, read it during an airplane trip and discard it. you can't do it with a ebook reader.

    ebook reader's are expensive. I remember a model that had a cover with "leather smell", to appeal to paper book readers, another marketing moron displaying it's stupidity: a reader reads a book because of the contents. judging a book for it's cover is for illiterates... or marketing morons.

    reading on a gorgeous wide and tall screen of a palm sized device doesn't fit in my sense of confort.

    an last but not least, random access... you can flip through the pages of a book as you wish, looking for random passages or particular points of the text. the close to a book flip that you can do with a ebook reader is the fast forward, backward, or select a given page... not that bad.

    ebooks can be a huge success when cheap reader appear. something with a screen the size of a pocket book, with good contrast, backlight could be a plus, but not essential. also an ebook not tied to some proprietary DRMed format. I want to download some of the classicals available at the project Guthenberg or simmilars and read it. and a cheaper price tag. if the costs of distribution, stocking are being cutted, I want my share.

    1. Re:Paper book ruling: random access and low cost by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      I read my eBooks on my PDA. This reader, in some sense, was free -- I bought it for other purposes, and only later thought about using it for eBooks, so I paid a grand total of $0 specifically to be able to read eBooks.

      You can also read them on a laptop (or even a desktop), which most of you have, and that would also fall under the "free in a sense" category.

      If you're looking for eBooks to use on non-dedicated devices such as computers and PDAs, check out Palm Digital Media.

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    2. Re:Paper book ruling: random access and low cost by jp10558 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I think the main reason's e-books have not taken off is a mismanagement of the end user experiance. What am I talking about?

      The e-book reading experiance.

      We need readers of some sort - for techs PDA's make sense, but I hesitate to say that should be the answer for everyone. One of the best readers in my opinion was the RCA REB 1100 e-book. It was easy to use, it was comfortable and well designed overall. Too bad they decided on stupid DRM and couldn't market it right.

      A disclaimer - I am not a business or marketing major. What follows is what I as a consumer thinks would sell. I have no facts to back this up, only acnetadotes.

      Take the hardware of the REB1100. That was great. battery lasted 20hrs. With the backlight on. 2 buttons placed so your thumb could easily hit them while holding the reader. The button under your thumb was to go forward a page(this could be changed in settings though). You could change the page orintation so when switching hands you could flip the book and again hold it comfortably and still read it(right side up). Smart Media slot, expand the memory up to 64mb. Comes with 8mb internal. I have a 32mb card in mine, but never use it... I just don't keep THAT many books on there at once, but if you want to - go for it! Has a built in dictionary, double tap a word and it looks it up, but does so over your book, so when done, close the window and you haven't moved.

      Now to address the problems.

      1. Make the dictionary expandible or replaceable(you can remove it altogether for memory)
      2. Change the DRM. Make it easy for you to add your own content - (Avant Go for it) allow html, doc, rtf, whatever format - as many as you can to go into the book. And this would happen not in the book but at the computer - this is software only really.
      3. Price. The REB1100 is not worth $299. Look at PalmOne. Try getting the price down to $80 - $120. It is worth that much. That's in line with other handhelds. Or - do something like cell phone providers do. Buy a 2 year book of the month subscription for $20 a month and 5 new books per month or magizine subscription, newspaper, add in the online option below) and get X off the price of the reader.
      4. Price of books. I know BookWarez, and that you can easily create your own titles as a user but wait.
      How about Magizine subscriptions? Newspapers? etc... provide that at prices less than the paper copies and now it makes sense to pay for them. As a consumer I would get a subscription if offered for %50-75% of the print copy if it was all integrated. I.E. I plug in my book once a day to either my computer or plug a phone line to the integrated modem and dial up the toll free # and get my subscriptions. Sell e-books for $2-$3 each. See if you can sell them earlier than the print copy coming out. They did this ... I can see that pushing the adoption of the books. But you cannot charge $26 a book, I(and I suspect everyone else) would just buy the hardcopy. But again, if on a hardcover release you came out with the e-book about 2-4 weeks earlier for $15, that would sell. Once paperback is going to ship, again maybe a month before the paperback edition lower your price to $2-$4 for the book. You could make a killing(assuming the publisher wasn't asking HUGE roylities).
      5. Add a (limited) web browsing option. Like sprint on their phones... say for $3 a month on a local dialup with the modem, and some per min rate for the toll free #(because I know the phone company charges like $0.10/min so you can't really do a flat rate without losing money here)(Using your bookshelf/buying books would be free with the toll free #, you'd get that figured out in the book prices).
      6. Market it. Play up the savings on books. Play up the early releases. Play up the ease of subscription and having back issues available and searchable. etc...

      I don't know if this is feasible. No one has gotten this to work yet. Softbook failed. Rocketbook Failed. RCA Failed. Gemstar Failed.

      But they f

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    3. Re:Paper book ruling: random access and low cost by Drantin · · Score: 1

      In ASCII format you can use vi and just jump to an arbitrary percentage...

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  27. Anyone want to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    paper, rock, scissors...ebook?

    My rock killed your ebook.

    Technology cannot beat the durability of paper; for the time being that is.

  28. The big problem... by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The big problem with ebooks lies in the readers; devices capable of reading ebooks are bulky, fragile, expensive, and nominally not as easy on the eyes as paper; in addition, most of them are read-only, which means that you can't write notes in the margin or hilight passages for later use.

    Personally, I'd like to see a low-power (eight to sixteen hours on a single charge) tablet-PC-like device, one which is as easy on the eyes as a normal book (not that hard, really[1]), has a small-but-useful amount of storage (say, 8M of RAM and 512M of compactflash), and into which I can upload textbooks and course notes for all of my college courses. It has to be durable as well; I should be able to accidentally knock this thing off a table into an aquarium, and it should still work.

    Give it some simple handwriting recognition, some decent calculation software, and the ability to link up with a desktop via a USB cable, and you could sell tons of these things to college students. I know I'd jump at the opportunity to not lug around a 40lb backpack, laptop case, two-inch binder filled with notes...oh, and a rew reference manuals...even if it cost me a few hundred bucks. Textbook publishers could also get in on the game; charge half as much for an E-book (which can't be resold), and use this as incentive to sell the tablet devices. Everyone wins -- the publishers make more money (no printing, shipping, or warehousing costs), the tablet maker wins, and the students win (less back strain, cheaper textbooks, ability to have an entire library in a satchel).

    [1] If you're willing to keep it black-and-white, just use a farly high-resolution LCD, and use a plain white sheet of paper as a background; the paper will reflect ambient light properly, except where the LCD is active -- presto, paper-like black-on-white text, just like a book.

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    1. Re:The big problem... by orthogonal · · Score: 4, Informative

      The big problem with ebooks lies in the readers; devices capable of reading ebooks are bulky, fragile, expensive, and nominally not as easy on the eyes as paper; in addition, most of them are read-only, which means that you can't write notes in the margin or hilight passages for later use.

      Dude, 1999 called. It wants its information back. ;)

      Seriously. I've got a Zaurus. It weighs 7.1 ounces (comparable to a paperback), fits in my pocket (unlike a paperback), has 96KB of memory and a(n aftermarket) 512 MB SD card for the books. It's not a brick, but I've dropped it from four or five feet to wooden and carpeted floors too many times, and it's fine. It's true it's not as easy n the eyes as paper, but it's full (65,536) color and 320 x 240 with several anti-aliased fonts. It's not read only, in fact it has a thumb keyboard built in, and the ebook reader software (opie reader) allows annotations.

      With the Wifi card plugged in, I can read ebooks on the net, on my PC (via samba mount) or copy them to the SD card. I'm currently reading Doctorow's latest, in fact.

      Its battery life is a little low (4-6 hours), and it costs $400-$500. An alternative is a $100 Palm Pilot, with a longer battery life and a lower, black and white resolution; you can find after-market fonts for a Palm too. (I read books on a Handspring before I got the Zaurus).

    2. Re:The big problem... by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 1

      We're still dealing with small screens, battery life, and durability problems. A 320x240 screen is way too small for a textbook or classroom note-taking; there's a reason why most students still use full-size notebooks, even though smaller ones exist), and four to six hours of battery life wouldn't even get me through one day of classes, much less a night of studying from an uncomfortable, small screen.

      Furthermore, I've used a Zaurus[1], and while it's one of the most durable PDAs I've run across, I still didn't feel that it could take student-level pounding. We're talking about crap that can get stuffed in a backpack, dunked in a pool, have hot coffee poured on it, sat on, kicked, stepped on, dropped, and generally subjected to insane abuse. In order for a notebook/textbook tablet device to work for students, it has to be almost indestructable. You have to be able to write on the screen with normal pens without leaving ink stains (quite doable), because I guarantee that normal stili will get lost or misplaced.

      The current crop of palmtops, while certainly usable for many things, is not suitable as a textbook/notebook replacement.

      [1] I work as a sysadmin, and get to evaluate new hardware purchases.

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    3. Re:The big problem... by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Read my earlier post on the REB 1100. The weird thing is that:

      eight to sixteen hours on a single charge

      REB1100 - about 20hrs

      one which is as easy on the eyes as a normal book

      Well, you can pick any font you want on the REB 1100.... About as easy for me as paper - BACKLIGHT - you can set from 20% to 100% in 20% increments. At 100% you can use the sucker as a flashlight.

      small-but-useful amount of storage (say, 8M of RAM and 512M of compactflash

      8mb, got it. Smart Media to 64mb(the design was in 1999. Prolly not hard to update to bigger smartmedia cards. I do like using smart media(smaller).

      It has to be durable as well

      That's the big failing. To ruggidize something would 3x the price in my experiance looking at laptop prices. It can be done. Is it worth the price? You can't knock your textbook into an aquarium and expect it not to be damaged...

      Give it some simple handwriting recognition

      It had that. I didn't like it cause I was used to Palm's but I could learn it or use the on screen keyboard.

      some decent calculation software

      It didn't have that. That might be a cool(though mostly unnecessary for the general public - maybe a "college edition"?)

      link up with a desktop via a USB cable

      Yes. Did that. One way though(I think, I never got into using the note feature I just don't write in books.)Make it 2 way and I could see that more useful.

      Textbook publishers could also get in on the game; charge half as much for an E-book (which can't be resold

      Why not resell? Well - That would of course require good DRM. So... prolly best that way - no reselling. Someone would have to accept book deferments or financial aid still though.

      even if it cost me a few hundred bucks.

      Yeah I can see it if it was $180 or less.

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  29. the right niche for them by bigbigbison · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am a phd student and as a result I am often writing research papers with lots of references. I know that I would LOVE to have ebook versions of the books I read so that I wouldn't have to spend so much time trying to find one line or one paragraph in a book that talked about something I want to cite. I would love to be able to do a keywork seach for these books. It would help sooo much.

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    1. Re:the right niche for them by The+Limp+Devil · · Score: 1

      Theat's why a proper academic book has an index! (Though in some countries - Spain - they don't.)

  30. My response. by nilspace · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Open speech in Firefox. -A -C Open Word processor -V Click "little-r" (for ebook reader) Conversion to eBook & sync'd to iPaq. Now I can read why eBooks didn't make it on my handheld, like I have for all of his books, as well as about 3 dozen others.

  31. Because Firefox wraps, and you don't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ebooks: Neither E, Nor Books --Paper for the O'Reilly Emerging Technologies Conference, 2004
    February 12, 2004 - San Diego, CA
    Cory Doctorow doctorow@craphound.com
    --
    Forematter:
    This talk was initially given at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology
    Conference [ http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2004 ], along
    with a set of slides that, for copyright reasons (ironic!) can't
    be released alongside of this file. However, you will find,
    interspersed in this text, notations describing the places where
    new slides should be loaded, in [square-brackets].

    This text is dedicated to the public domain, using a Creative
    Commons public domain dedication:

    > Copyright-Only Dedication (based on United States law)
    >
    > The person or persons who have associated their work with this
    > document (the "Dedicator") hereby dedicate the entire copyright
    > in the work of authorship identified below (the "Work") to the
    > public domain.
    >
    > Dedicator makes this dedication for the benefit of the public at
    > large and to the detriment of Dedicator's heirs and successors.
    > Dedicator intends this dedication to be an overt act of
    > relinquishment in perpetuity of all present and future rights
    > under copyright law, whether vested or contingent, in the Work.
    > Dedicator understands that such relinquishment of all rights
    > includes the relinquishment of all rights to enforce (by lawsuit
    > or otherwise) those copyrights in the Work.
    >
    > Dedicator recognizes that, once placed in the public domain, the
    > Work may be freely reproduced, distributed, transmitted, used,
    > modified, built upon, or otherwise exploited by anyone for any
    > purpose, commercial or non-commercial, and in any way, including
    > by methods that have not yet been invented or conceived.

    --

    For starters, let me try to summarize the lessons and intuitions
    I've had about ebooks from my release of two novels and most of a
    short story collection online under a Creative Commons license. A
    parodist who published a list of alternate titles for the
    presentations at this event called this talk, "eBooks Suck Right
    Now," [eBooks suck right now] and as funny as that is, I don't
    think it's true.

    No, if I had to come up with another title for this talk, I'd
    call it: "Ebooks: You're Soaking in Them." [Ebooks: You're
    Soaking in Them] That's because I think that the shape of ebooks
    to come is almost visible in the way that people interact with
    text today, and that the job of authors who want to become rich
    and famous is to come to a better understanding of that shape.

    I haven't come to a perfect understanding. I don't know what the
    future of the book looks like. But I have ideas, and I'll share
    them with you:

    1. Ebooks aren't marketing. [Ebooks aren't marketing] OK, so
    ebooks *are* marketing: that is to say that giving away ebooks
    sells more books. Baen Books, who do a lot of series publishing,
    have found that giving away electronic editions of the previous
    installments in their series to coincide with the release of a
    new volume sells the hell out of the new book -- and the
    backlist. And the number of people who wrote to me to tell me
    about how much they dug the ebook and so bought the paper-book
    far exceeds the number of people who wrote to me and said, "Ha,
    ha, you hippie, I read your book for free and now I'm not gonna
    buy it." But ebooks *shouldn't* be just about marketing: ebooks
    are a goal unto themselves. In the final analysis, more people
    will read more words off more screens and fewer words off fewer
    pages and when those two lines cross, ebooks are gonna have to be
    the way that writers earn their keep, not the way that they
    promote the dead-tree editions.

    2. Ebooks complement paper books. [Ebooks complement paper
    books]. Having an ebook is good. Having a paper book is good.
    Having both is even

  32. Re:This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. by parksie · · Score: 2, Informative

    You don't need to.

    It's a text file, and I assume the server sent text/plain as its type. Worked fine in Firefox, I thought maybe the OP meant "IE" when they said a standard browser, so I checked in IE6. Looked fine there as well.

    At about 12 words per line, it's even easy to read as well, so I have no idea what they're whining about :)

  33. e-books are irrellevent by -tji · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As someone who recently purchased his "Down and out in the Magic Kingdom", I would say the e-book had almost no influence on my purchase. I knew about it being available online, and it did give Cory "cool points" for being involved in the creative commons and other excellent projects. But, I never even looked at the online version.

    I purchased in the traditional way.. I browsed it on the shelves of my local small bookstore. I then checked if it was available at my local used bookstore. When it wasn't there, I returned to the small bookstore & purchased it there. (The two stores are next door to each other.. very handy.)

    As Cory acknowledges, noone is going to read a text of significant duration online. Until there is an e-book reader device that can better replicate the look/feel/portability/durability of paper and won't strain my eyes, then I'm sticking to paperbacks.

    1. Re:e-books are irrellevent by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I completely disagree with you.

      I read "Down and Out..." on my laptop, start to finish, and I thought it was a great book.

      Also, I have an HP Jornada PDA, with an eBook reader. I found a collection of something like 3,000 eBooks on Kazaa about a year and a half ago, and I've now probably read about 150 of them, on my PDA. The screen is bright and easy to read, and my PDA is always with me, so I always have a large selection of books to read. It's much easier to carry around a small, thin PDA than a 600 page paperback.

      Just because you won't read an electronic book doesn't mean nobody will. I prefer eBooks to printed books.

      My only complaint with eBooks is that they're too expensive. It's something like $9 to buy most eBooks from online retailers, and that's simply too expensive.

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    2. Re:e-books are irrellevent by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 1

      I think that this exchange (and many others just like it) highlights that freedom of choice is important.

    3. Re:e-books are irrellevent by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      As Cory acknowledges, noone is going to read a text of significant duration online.

      I disagree. Look at how long people(maybe even you) spend reading slashdot... How about other weblogs?

      People read long texts online all the time. Maybe not in a novel format but why not? I used to read fanfiction online all the time. Now I read it on my REB 1100.

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  34. Re:This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why require a text to have a formatting language (HTML) applied to it at all, when plain-text will do? It's providing information in the simplest form possible. Anythig on top of that is just adding bytes.

  35. Ebooks Neither E Nor Books? by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1, Funny

    The Holy Roman empire was neither holy, nor was it Roman. Discuss.

    /Coffee Talk

    Weaselmancer

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    rediculous.
  36. Re:This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. by kfg · · Score: 1

    Because sometimes the web is legitimately used as a transport mechanism for files, rather than as a provider of "web content."

    Ebooks and papers, in particular are commonly formated as plain text for web distribution, allowing the reader to use whatever text editor they choose and to format the content in any way that pleases them.

    As well as having formated the text for printing I have also now put a copy of the file on my laptop which I use as an ebook reader, which does not even have a browser installed, along with my "pile" of books from Project Gutenberg, all in plain text, where I will be able to view it in vi.

    Sometimes distribution of text as text be good and shit.

    KFG

  37. Better Format by symptoma · · Score: 1

    I have converted his article into a few more familiar formats.

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  38. Just not there yet by andih8u · · Score: 1

    E-books are great and all, but they pretty much destroy the simplicity of a regular book. It doesn't matter if I'm laying in bed, walking around town, sitting in a car (not while driving like some idiots do), or waiting for a class to start, I can open up a book and never have to worry about battery charge. The boot up time on a regular paperback is lightning fast, too. Plus the most expensive accesory you need for it is maybe a $5 bookmark, or a bookbag if you want to get really fancy. There are some things that technology just can't replace.

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    1. Re:Just not there yet by mzo23 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Depends on the reader to be honest. I've used my GamePark32 to read at least 5+ books. The ONLY thing I have to worry about is battery charge but 2 AA rechargables last for at least 4+ hours of book reading. Not to mention I can easily bookmark where i'm at and carry an entire library's worth of books in my pocket. (128mb smart media cards, they are incredibly small, I carry a bunch of them in my wallet, very convenient). The bootup time is lighting fast as well if you use the bios hack that boots straight to windups "OS" (which has a built-in e-book reader). I've also used it to read web pages on the go (copy and paste the text to notepad, save the images seperately, there is an image viewer for gp32). For the size (the same size as a gameboy advance) and the benifits (some e-book reader's for gp32 allow you to play mp3's while listening, ability to carry a library's worth of books IN MY POCKET) I personally don't see THAT many benifits to paper versions. Sure you can carry them around but they are bulky as hell. E-books are far from being perfect yet but they are also far from useless. And btw, the format of the e-books I read on it are just simple .txt files. Cheers :)

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  39. Re:once again by wurp · · Score: 1

    What is it you don't like about Cory Doctorow? 0wnzered seems quite good, if a little soft, sci-fi; Unwirer was very good and didn't seem at all soft; Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom is great stuff in the spirit of Gibson and Stephenson. Sometimes his stuff is off (I thought the basic premise of Eastern Standard Tribe was pretty lame. Sure I can see your group affiliations affecting your sleep schedule, but it makes no sense to say you will have a group called "Eastern Standard"; lots of groups are based in the EST time zone) but if you ignore the name of the group, it's a cool story. See http://www.craphound.com to read some of his stuff.

    He has some insight on copyright. It's really not much more than you get pretty commonly at slashdot, but he's out there living the "right way" wrt copyright as an author, which is a pretty uncommon thing.

    So, what's the problem? Maybe he gets more press in geek circles than he quite deserves, but not by a lot.

  40. ebooks is all I read anymore by jridley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read books only on my Palm anymore. I certainly would prefer to read on paper instead of my IIIxe's greenish screen (I'm upgrading soon), but I never carry books around with me, and if I do, just in my bag so I only have them at my desk.

    With 3 or 4 books in my Palm, I've got a book to read everywhere. I've read 10 times more books since using the Palm than when on paper.

    Also we're way over capacity on paper books in our house; we just don't have room for what we have. We have about 300 linear feet of shelf space, much of it double-shelved, and another couple hundred pounds of books in boxes. I'm just not going to add to that by buying more paper.

    Thank God for Baen books. I'd decided not to buy from Peanut Press anymore because I dislike having to remember credit card numbers from 5 years ago to unlock books, and I dislike paying as much for eBooks as for paper; I should at least get a few bucks off.

    Baen publishes much of their catalog electronically, in open formats, at reasonable prices.

    1. Re:ebooks is all I read anymore by Alucard454 · · Score: 1

      if you're looking for a cheap(ish) upgrade, I cannot possibly recommend the sony clies enough. I've used the sj20, sj22, sj30, and now the sj33 for ebook reading. since I started (almost 2 years ago) I havent read a single new book on paper.

      the awesome sony screen, coupled with the awesome font antialiasing of deepreader, make it actually easier on the eyes than paper. for me anyways.

      no, I don't work for sony. the only reason I got to use all of those clies was because I worked in the wireless section of *gasp* best buy, and I abused the hell out of the Product Replacement Plan that I got with my original purchase. hey, all bestbuy employees do it :P

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      That which discloses to the wise and disguises from the foolish their lack of understanding.
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    2. Re:ebooks is all I read anymore by jridley · · Score: 1

      I bought a Tungsten E yesterday. I looked at the Sonys, but they're too expensive. For $200 they don't have much, and what they do have uses memory sticks. I might have considered it, but I'm not going to buy into a proprietary technology. I already have devices that use SD memory. Memory sticks are purely an invention to line Sony's pockets; they do not innovate in the marketplace, they attempt to lock up.

      It is true that a year or two ago, Sony Clies were tops and Palm was struggling to catch up. Many of my friends boug Clies between 1 and 3 years ago. But today the new Palms are very competitive and I like the Tungsten best for my uses.

      If I were looking for a palm with a camera, or a keyboard, or a crazy flipping clown joint thing in the middle, I'd buy a Sony. But I want a functional device and love the original format, and don't need a crappy camera, I have a nice camera already and don't need to take pics of people in the shower, or whatever it is that people use those things for.

  41. The DaOitMK Universe suddenly expands... by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now that "Down And Out In The Magic Kingdom" (DaOitMK) has been released under the least-restrictive Creative Commons licence, the possibilities of completely legal fanfic emerge. You know what? It's a good thing.

    Cory Doctorow created a very interesting "universe" that other writers can play around in. A society where nobody really dies, where we've outgrown the need to work to earn our food and shelter, and where a person's reputation is more important than their net worth? Think about it: it's a very rich world to write stories in.

    Yeah, most fanfic sucks. But sometimes people write fics that are as good as the movie or TV show they are riffing on. I can think of two people who wrote "Daria" fic who have a great future ahead of them as writers: CE Forman and Kara Wild. If there ever is a revival of the series (which won't happen and there are very good reasons why it shouldn't) they should be brought on board as official writers for the series.

    Fanfic is often a way for a less-than-secure writer to exercise their writing muscles without the fuss, muss or bother of creating characters and environments for the characters to interact in. I know...I've written a little in my day, although I'm not proud enough to link to it so that you can see it.

    Who knows what will happen once the DaOitMK universe starts expanding thanks to the work of fanfic writers? I suspect this endeavor might even spawn some writers who might not have gotten into writing otherwise.

    Thank you, Cory Doctorow. You have given quite a generous gift...maybe more generous than you will ever know.

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  42. O man I LOVE E books! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well @ least the free pdf or text type. last two books I've read are Underground (http://undeground-book.com) and Free as in Freedom (http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/). Man I cannot get enough! I love reading while drinking listening to music so reading E versions of book is a natural step for me (since I'm in front of the screen most of the time anyway doing just that). Two reasons why I love them (just like games((yes I rip them off))), the first is the fact I can actually read them first (even if @ the time I can't/won't buy it) then decide to purchase/donate. The second one is they look great as part of my digital archive (think of it as a digital library that not only holds books but movies music etc).

    Love them Love them, wuold love some links if anyone's got any!

  43. Re:and the Holy Roman Empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was to an Empire.

  44. Re:once again by bob+dobalina · · Score: 1

    Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom is great stuff in the spirit of Gibson and Stephenson.

    That's my problem; I've read a number of the short stories he's made available and it's "in the spirit of Gibson and Stephenson" the way the Soviet space shuttle was "in the spirit" of the US design. (Sorry for the obscure reference, it was the first to come to mind.) The themes of his stories are pedestrian, even by sci-fi standards, and his writing style is all the style of Dick and Gibson with none of the substance. He tries to converse in these languages (sci-fi topics, and worse, actual tech issues) the same way a parrot might try to converse with Spaulding Gray. He knows the buzzwords because they are buzzwords, but that's about it as far as his talent goes.

    So he's a mediocre sci-fi author who has deigns on the tech world, what's the big deal, right? Right, except for, as you mention, he gets more press than he quite deserves. I don't understand why so many slashdotters get in such a tizzy about him when there are a thousand of his analogs out there that nobody cares about.

    As for the copyright issue, that's a YMMV debate. Some authors might want to keep tabs on the stuff they've written, and I don't see why they should be castigated or thought to be morally inferior to people who don't care if their names are attached to a given work. If Doctorow wants to give his work away, hey great, but not every author is an internet dilettante. Some people need to feed their families this way. Nobody harps on Asimov for doing the same thing.

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    "I'm payin' taxes, but what am I buyin'?" -- James Brown

  45. Look at iTunes and the iPod... by YllabianBitPipe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    eBooks can work, and will work as soon as someone gets all the pieces in place. The obvious model would be to follow Apple's iTunes / iPod. Make a hardware reader that has a great screen, light, and relatively inexpensive, and is a joy to use. Have it read as many formats as possible: HTML, RTF, Word Docs, don't dick around with DRM and proprietary formats. Have it read saved web pages. Have an internal hard drive. Next, have software on the computer that acts as a library much like iTunes. Make it easy to share and even read on your computer if need be, via a web browser.

    Get all this crap in place and you will make a mint. Sell the books for 99 cents even. Heck I bet Apple is already working on this (They do audio books).

    1. Re:Look at iTunes and the iPod... by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      What I would really like to see apple do with the above is a garageband for writers. A place where they can upload their stuff, get exposure, and if they are good make some money.

      -Colin

    2. Re:Look at iTunes and the iPod... by jacoplane · · Score: 1

      This would be nothing like the Itunes music store. First of all, the iPod is focused on AAC and MP3. AFAIK there is no OGG support. And there is DRM built into Itunes...

    3. Re:Look at iTunes and the iPod... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      Have it read as many formats as possible: HTML, RTF, Word Docs, don't dick around with DRM and proprietary formats.

      Isn't that self-contradictory?

      Have an internal hard drive.

      Oh god no.

      One 64MB CompactFlash card will hold more texts than an average person can read in a month. Having a hard drive built into an electronic book might be interesting from a "gee-whiz" perspective, but it's simply impractical.

      Of course, if you took a device that already had a hard drive, like an iPod, and enhanced the LCD screen to make it appropriate for reading large texts on...

    4. Re:Look at iTunes and the iPod... by YllabianBitPipe · · Score: 1

      I think the drive would be needed ... especially when you get into books with images. I would also want the device to read PDF ... which can get rather large. Storage space is cheap enough these days that more is always better.

    5. Re:Look at iTunes and the iPod... by brightloudnoise · · Score: 1

      actually i whipped up a quick python script to split "Eastern Standard Tribe" into 4k chunks with links to the next / previous pages at the top and bottom of each chunk to read it on my iPod.

      it's clunky but it's great for reading on mass transit while i'm on my way to work.

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    6. Re:Look at iTunes and the iPod... by YllabianBitPipe · · Score: 1

      I meant follow the model in the sense of, have a hardware reader with content managed through computer "library" program, with emphasis on the ease of use and getting content easily to and from the device. And, have the "library" program link up to the online store where you can buy additional eBooks with one click. You are right, the DRM in iTunes is there, but as we can see through success of the iPod, if the ease of use, hardware, and price points for content are all in the right place, people are willing to put up with some pesky DRM. All eBook models so far have failed on either of these three points. Crappy ease of use (putting the library software on the device itself), crappy hardware (too hard to read screen, too heavy), or price point (largely, too expensive).

  46. REALLY hi-res... and also the Mac by geekplus · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Two things:


    1. While I haven't seen it myself, a professor of mine in college got a chance at some research lab who did display/rendering work to read a document rendered on-screen at 600 DPI (yes, six HUNDRED)! That's the exact same density as the pages your printer typically spits out. Consumer systems at the moment do what, somewhere between 72 and 96DPI on-screen? He said that all of his objections about eye-strain completely vanished in a moment.


    2. Even for those of us who won't have access to on-screen densities in the 600 DPI range for another 20 years -- if you haven't looked at font-rendering on a Mac in the last 5 years -- do yourself the favor! I hadn't done so in several years and the quality of fonts on the Mac is stunning, even (especially?) on their laptops. When I turned back to my own computer (someone had brought in a new Powerbook at work), my eyes instantly started tearing up. It really bothered me to look at my own screen for the next 5 minutes.

    1. Re:REALLY hi-res... and also the Mac by Anaphiel · · Score: 5, Funny
      ...my eyes instantly started tearing up.

      Funny, that happens to me every time I have to use a PC too.

  47. Currently Staring... by SeanDuggan · · Score: 0
    Actually... I haven't had a problem with staring at the screen for hours for at least a few years. I remember, when growing up, it was difficult on my eyes (which might have also been due to our "monitor" being a TV set), but lately, I've noticed no problems reading text on the screen for hours on end with little break. I read fanfiction, some of which is pretty close to novel-length, and I've been making my way through the books in the Baen libraries. No eye-strain or headaches from reading for long amounts of time. *shrug*

    That said, I recently had an optometrist (mother of a friend of mine) claim that exposure to long amounts of screen viewing (TV or computer) at an early age was proven to do something to how one focusses one's eyes that later proves detrimental. *wry grin* Now admittedly, she had no actual article to cite, so that information may be suspect. Much like how your parents used to claim reading in low light would hurt your eyes. Possible explanation here.

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  48. Eye See the Problem... by al!ethel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the big problems I have had with the idea of e-books is that there is no agreement in the industry on how we should accomplish the sale and distribution of those texts. I am a fan of the Safari website, but I know that I can't get those books for offline reading. I like to download some books for Microsoft Reader, but I know that I might not always be able to access that book, and have no guarentee that I will be able to read it on more than one computer.

    E-books are a wonderful tool for research and to help some unknown authors get works out to the public, but with the uproar that MP3's have made, I can't forsee any publisher really pushing to make this a force of format. It reminds me of a technology that is very useful, user friendly, easy to produce and even fun to use, but is sidelined because the people that could make it happen are too afraid to step on any toes.

    The one thing that I fear about this, though, is a format being pushed forward and then patented and soon, you end up basically paying another tax, just to read a book, because the format is locked in stone. What happens when all of the works of Shakespear are now avaliable for $19.95, and only from Adobe GreatWorks(TM).

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    If I could get a firm grip on reality, I'd choke it...
  49. Cory's on a signing tour! by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 2, Funny
    I read that Cory's coming to town soon -- he's having signings all over the country to celebrate his newest book.

    Remember to bring your public key and a couple forms of ID!

  50. TabletPC's make e-books workable by greywar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously-my palm zire 71 was just too small [although for reading in the bathtub it can't be beat]. But my motion tabletpc works great for this. the screen is big enough, and its among the lighter tablets-meaning its truly workable for reading with. My favorite author sold a hardback book with a CD of all of his older books-I was in heaven. You can even read comic books without the size relationship being distorted. They have a close out fo older motion m1200's going on for like $1300. yeah its spendy-but it truly makes e-books worthwhile, and reading is one of my major hobbies. Not to mention you can go out on your porch at night, grab a soda and surf the net under the stars.

  51. artists and compensation and chump change by rjnagle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is an exceptionally fine piece, and I greatly enjoyed reading it.

    Some impressions:

    Although I'm happy that Mr. Doctorow has made a profit off his creative commons releases, I have a feeling that his case is an exception rather than the rule, and that once the the novelty value of creative commons content released by commercial publishers die down fewer people will be inclined to try first, buy later. (That is not worse than the status quo however). As pda's and ereaders become more user friendly, the temptation not to buy the hard copy will become irresistable for creative commons works.

    I advocate a tip-based model of artistic compensation http://www.geocities.com/bigbadlinux/. Perhaps voluntary "pay-what-you-want" scenario is unrealistic, but compensation becomes viable when the pricepoint is low enough to seem insignificant.

    A few years ago, memberships to porn sites cost 30-50$ a month; nowadays even most of them offer 1 day or 1 week memberships for gigabytes of movies. One could use emule to get these things, but when the price point starts resembling chump change, that's when people start voluntarily paying for online content.

    If you look at this audio book site, for example http://www.audiobooksforfree.com/screen_main.asp?g g=1&mg=2
    downloading mp3 audios for entire novels cost only about $5. That's close to the level of chump change.

    Right now POD books easily sell for $10-12, but 100% virtual content could probably go for $2-3. Content needs to be priced in a way that appears to be chump change for the buyer/reader but gains enough readership for chump change to add up to something substantial. Fortunately, the existence of weblogs like www.maudnewton.com and viral marketing make it easier to get your content out there.

    The future is weblogs people.

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    Robert Nagle, Idiotprogrammer, Houston
  52. Is Open Source Fertile Ground for Foul Play? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    The following quote from the talk is a good rebuttal to that idiot from yesterday's slashdot Is Open Source Fertile Ground for Foul Play?


    Luther Bibles were a lot less trustworthy than the illuminated
    numbers. Anyone with a press could run one off, subbing in any
    apocryphal text he wanted -- and who knew how accurate that
    translation was? Monks had an entire Papacy behind them, running
    a quality-assurance operation that had stood Europe in good stead
    for centuries.

  53. Re:This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. by ZWithaPGGB · · Score: 2, Informative

    Formats fine in Mozilla.

  54. Another great eBook application... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Cookbooks. Ever tried to look for that recipe you made a while back that had the same 3 ingredients you happen to have in the fridge today that you need to use or they'll go bad? I sure have. And with a 1.5m shelf full of cookbooks, odds are, I won't find it. I'd gladly pay extra to get eBook versions of these cookbooks along with the paper copies. It's like many people have said--the paper copies are more pleasant for browsing and pleasure reading, but you can't beat eBooks for searching.

    adeu,
    Mateu

    (Posting anonymously because I've already moderated here)

  55. Re:once again by wurp · · Score: 1

    1) The vast majority of his stuff is worth reading. To me, that's fairly high praise.
    2) The vast majority of his stuff is available for free and easy to find if you start from the slashdot/kuro5hin culture.
    3) He gets the IP and tech issues that affect us today and tomorrow.

    What it boils down to is that I haven't seen anyone else present a believable day-after-tomorrow view of how globalization, pc miniaturization, and wireless/minicam/etc will affect us. He seems to present that view in Unwirer and... hmm, whoah, little conflation going on here. Gah. My other one was actually Pattern Recognition, Gibson's latest.

    Maybe you have something there ;-)

    Regarding copyright, I (and I think Cory opines similarly) believe that a short term copyright would be for the good, and it is entirely the author's discretion to release under more lenient terms than copyright allows. However, our current 70 years+++ copyright is unethical, counterproductive, and unconstitutional.

  56. "buy a PC or PDA just to read a book" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Maybe you are not aware of it, but more and more ppl own a PDA.

    I know every salesman in my company does, and so do most techs...

    In my old Palm Vx, that I happen to carry in replacement of the paper one that I has to "upgrade" to newest year every year, I happen to have 3 years backlog of all my meetings, most of my contact, quite a few emails...and, as I already have the PDA, I take a few books with me whenever I have to travel or go to work (public transportation, 1 hour and then some, so time to read)

    Remember that paper organizer are now becoming a rarity in my field (IT), because they are kludgy, hard to manage and they don't remind me of the next meeting by beeping...

    So if I take as basis that paper organizer are down, and PDAs are up, I already have a PDA and I enjoy reading books on it as a bonus...

  57. codex vs ebook - fit different functions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tests have determined that people (even young people who grew up with computers) retain better from reading books vs reading from a screen. Which means the utility of ebooks and codexes are different. Ebooks are great for searching, quick reference look-ups, cut-and-paste, short browsing. Codexes are great if you acctually want to absorb (grok) the material.

    I have doubts that the codex will actually be diminished by ebooks, I also note that Barnes & Nobel can make money by publishing classics that have been out of copyright for generations. Copyright was invented (after the printing press) to solve an economic problem in getting new material printed the first time. (see Copyright and Authors).

  58. PORN QUALITY==getting worse by rjnagle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    to further use the porn example, the lowering of price of online porn has NOT resulted in a decrease in porn quality. I realize this is a subjective opinion, but I think the same effect will apply to many kinds of content, not just porn.

    Therefore, when I say, wait until the price point becomes chump change, I am not implying that reduction in price implies a reduction in content standards. It may not even imply a reduction in compensation for creators. (It really is amazing how many things we can learn about content just by looking at the porn issue).

    btw, an essay I wrote about online types of adult entertainment: Pleasure Manifesto (work safe).

    --
    Robert Nagle, Idiotprogrammer, Houston
  59. Creative Commons/GFDL helps by mdubinko · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wrote the O'Reilly book XForms Essentials and released it under the GFDL. I can say from experience that freeing the text has helped promote the book to audiences that would not have otherwise heard of it.

    In order to deal with the rapidly changing technology, I launched a companion web site XForms Institute.

    Particularly with technical books, "multimodal" publishing is smart. I'm glad to see Cory try it with fiction. -m

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    --- Learn XForms today: http://xformsinstitute.com
  60. Great for your sanity too... by SeanDuggan · · Score: 0
    At one of my Co-op jobs, I wound up working with a company which had restrictions against accessing the Internet. *wry grin* They also didn't actually have much work that could be done with my level of experience. So, with my boss's blessing, I started reading through the library of Project Gutenberg books kept on the local network. (Most of the digital library was actually product and equipment manuals, but someone had added an extra directory with the good stuff) While I would have preferred actual work by which I could enhance my skills, those eBooks proved a valuable way for me to keep my sanity.

    Didn't hurt that it got me to read a few of the classics that I'd never had the chance to peruse before...

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  61. content quality, chump change and porn... by rjnagle · · Score: 1

    to further use the porn example, the lowering of price of online porn has NOT resulted in a decrease in porn quality. I realize this is a subjective opinion, but I think the same effect will apply to many kinds of content, not just porn.

    Therefore, when I say, wait until the price point becomes chump change, I am not implying that reduction in price implies a reduction in content standards. It may not even imply a reduction in compensation for creators. (It really is amazing how many things we can learn about content just by looking at the porn issue).

    Here's an essay about general issues of adult entertainment and content pleasure manifesto .

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    Robert Nagle, Idiotprogrammer, Houston
  62. Re:once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The themes of his stories are pedestrian, even by sci-fi standards, and his writing style is all the style of Dick and Gibson with none of the substance."

    Sounds like most of Gibson's later novels. :P

    (I liked Pattern Recognition, though.)

  63. Off Topic, but I'm curious by CGP314 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While releasing his books under a creative commons license worked well for him I wonder what would happen if a normal (read unfamous) person attempted the same thing. Would a CC license help an unknown writer or hurt their chances of getting a book deal?

    1. Re:Off Topic, but I'm curious by valintin · · Score: 1

      He was a normal (read unfamous) person attempting this thing. The result is, that it has made him famous.

      He has let the Jenni out of the bottle so to speak. I do see what your asking. What happens when a hundred thousand other people do the same thing, but after he has already done it? The same thing that happened with Cam sites.

      Currently an unknown author can be among a group of twenty or thirty authors putting books out. In a few years the field with be leveled with all authors following along. But if you get famous now, you can always turn that into a book deal later on.

    2. Re:Off Topic, but I'm curious by CleverNickName · · Score: 4, Informative


      While releasing his books under a creative commons license worked well for him I wonder what would happen if a normal (read unfamous) person attempted the same thing. Would a CC license help an unknown writer or hurt their chances of getting a book deal?


      IIRC, Cory was relatively unknown prior to the publication of Down and Out. He was known within circles of SF readers, but not so much in the coveted "mainstream."

      By doing this crazy thing and releasing his book -- for free! -- online, he made some very big waves in the publishing world, and people started paying attention to him. As a result, Down and Out sold tons of dead tree copies, and I think the downloads are into the millions.

      When I tried my hand at publishing, I wondered the same thing. Sure, some people may have known me because of my acting work, or because of my weblog, but I didn't know if it would translate into mainstream sales. While I didn't offer Dancing Barefoot for free download, it was mostly online already, scattered across two years of weblog entries. When my book was first shipping, I would get e-mails from people who said "I just read your site, liked what I saw, and consequently bought your book." Sure, it's not the same as giving away the whole book, but I think it's similar.

      All those people who bought it (over 3000 in just under four months) caught the attention of O'Reilly, and now I have a three book deal with them. None of that would have happened without the Internet, so I think a CC license will definately HELP an unknown writer.

    3. Re:Off Topic, but I'm curious by pigpogm · · Score: 1

      My partner and I are trying to do something vaguely similar, in that we're giving away her first book as an ebook in the hope of getting some sort of following for it, then selling her second book - probably in a slightly more conventional way.

      I guess this makes us the literary equivilent of sad copycat cam whores, then.

      Here, if you're interested in having a look - fictional story of an 80s boy band. Damn, there goes the whoring again...

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      PigPog.
  64. eBooks are good for specialized uses, cheap too by Admetus · · Score: 1

    If you have a pocket PC (or similar) already, eBooks make a lot of sense. Many many eBooks are free. Thanks University of Virginia Electronic Text Center! Try this collection: http://www.mslit.com/default.asp?mjr=FRE

    With instant lookup for translations or definitions, they're more convenient than handling several books at once.

    They're great for filling unexpected dead time. I'm not in the habit of taking a book with me, but I always have my phone PPC. That's as good as carrying a small library.

    Less conventional topics are surprisingly nifty on eBook. Ever tried a cookbook eBook? Take it right into the kitchen, or use it at someone else's place without knowing you'll need it. There are several good ones for around 3 bucks!

  65. Re:once again by bob+dobalina · · Score: 1

    I don't agree that he "gets the IP and tech issues that affect us today and tomorrow", but then, I don't think anyone really "gets" it. I mean, I've heard persuasive arguments from both sides of the issue, so I don't think, as it stands, there's a clear "this is the right way, that's the wrong way" to do it. I think the knee-jerk anti-copyright reaction of your average slashdotter belies a key ignorance or unwillingness to understand the complexities of the issue.

    As for your "believable day-after-tomorrow view", if you haven't already, I highly recommend picking up the trade paperbacks of Warren Ellis and Darick Robertson's comic Transmetropolitan. They present a much more interesting, funny and thought-provoking day-after-tomorrow view that is devoid of the subtle "I'm so clever" navel-gazing that goes on in Doctorow's writing. For me, that, along with Gibson's collection Burning Chrome are the benchmark for realistic near-future sci-fi. In light of those, Doctorow's work stands up as a pale imitation.

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    B

    "I'm payin' taxes, but what am I buyin'?" -- James Brown

  66. I read 100+ E-Books online and I'm ok with it! by BurningTyger · · Score: 1

    I read tons and tons of chinese novels online (illegal OCR copy though) when I was in 2nd year undergrad. I'd often stare at the screen for more than 3 hrs and I'm ok with it. I don't see how that is different than staring at the screen for 3 hrs playing computer game.

    In fact, I find it more comfortable (posture wise) reading on the screen than having to hold the book in your hand and read it.

    It is even better if you want to eat snack at the same time you read. How many of you can hold the book in your hand, flip pages, and eat dinner at the same time without worrying about food staining the pages? But with e-book, you can read and eat at the same time, and all you need to do is to press the "Page Down" button whenever you want to flip pages on a e-book. (ahhh... lonely bachlor life...)

    Of course, that is just me. My girlfriend still can not get used to reading it on screen.

  67. Re:once again by bob+dobalina · · Score: 1

    The unfortunate part is, when I made that comment, I had Gibson's later books in mind. I happen to agree completely (that Gibson's earlier stuff is better, and I liked Pattern Recognition too).

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    B

    "I'm payin' taxes, but what am I buyin'?" -- James Brown

  68. Holy Roman Empire? by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    The Holy Roman empire was neither holy, nor was it Roman. Discuss.

    Nor was it an Empire.

    Epigram by Voltaire.

    -kgj

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  69. Palm IIIxe is an excellent book reader by Aging_Newbie · · Score: 1

    CspotRun is a very good reader program that word wraps and has a free document preparer so any text document can be converted to e-book format. The Palm is neatly backlit so you can read at night and it is small, portable, and very convenient on mass transit of all sorts. Batteries last a long time too which makes it an excellent light weight book to take along backpacking.

    I happen to really like ebooks because of their great convenience. I read Down and Out on my Palm Pilot as well as lots of other books. On the other hand, I don't buy a lot of e-books because the price is altogether too high. If I had the least bit of faith that the author got any significant percentage of the e-book price I would be more likely to buy. So far, only the dead tree version justifies the price for purchase.

  70. older books by pruss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think that more than half of my reading, apart from what I read to prepare for class, is older books that I can get in ebook format and that are in the public domain. The only things I like paper books more for is being able to read in the bathtub (oh, for a waterproof Clie), ease of marginal annotation, and ability to flip through quickly (my Clie screen is too small to find things quickly by flipping through).

    Searching is helpful. Having a book in one's pocket always is great. Some of the things I read are parts of enormous multi-volume sets that I wouldn't have room on a bookshelf for. For instance, dozens of volumes of Cardinal Newman or of the Jesuit Relations. Various classic books, too, are greatly improved by hyperlinking. For instance, Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologiae which has lots of back-references.

    At one point my wife claimed to find it to be more fun to read in ebook format on a Clie NX60/70 (using Plucker) than to read the dead-tree editions. Autoscrolling was particularly nice when our baby was small and we had no hands free while doing things for the baby.

    And, yes, it's nice to have a big library with one. I've got some 600mb of flash on my NX70. It's expensive, but when one considers the cost of printed books, it's not so bad. (For instance, I bet the complete works of Cardinal Newman would set me back a couple of hundred dollars in print format for the books themselves, and more when one considers the cost of another bookcase.) I just wish everybody published in ebook format. Then I wouldn't have to buy physical books almost at all.

  71. The failure of E-books, Downloadable software,.... by bl968 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Something I wrote back in May 2003.

    The failure of E-books, Downloadable software, and Online Music.

    We all have seen the many publisher provided services for purchasing E-books, E-Music, and Software Downloads.

    These services try to limit your options and choices or even to remove them from you totally. With many of these services you must agree that you do not even own that which you wish to purchase in order to buy it. Instead they license you right to use their private property.

    We see the prices on the virtual which rival that of the physical. We instinctively know that the production cost of a E-book, Downloaded software, or MP3s is so much less than the cost of a compact disc or a printed book both of which require paper, ink, artwork, packaging and so much more that is totally lacking from the ethereal versions.

    Their sales decline. "Stop the thieves" they cry out into the night! Make more and harsher laws to protect that which is already protected they demand of our governments. Protect our property and damn their rights is their idea of an ideal. I am a honest person is my vehement reply. So why attempt punish me for the crimes of others.

    They attempt to smother new technology on the premise that it may possibly be used for illegal activity.

    While it is not my intention to justify the theft of their material I must point out it's their own fault really. I blame their lack of foresight and their lack of anything resembling common sense. They do not exploit the markets available for them or if they do it's a halfhearted attempt. In the real world people are not buying what you sale one common step generally taken is to consider lowering your prices until your sales pick up. This also applies on the Internet.

    In a concise conclusion I state that I personally prefer to compensate the authors and composers of the material that I so enjoy in my daily life. Currently I do so off-line. So Publishing and recording industries I say make it worth my while and convenient to do so and I will be one of the first in line online.

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  72. eBooks and RTF or regular text files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All I want is a nice portable device, preferably with a low-power light display by eInk (http://www.eink.com/) to read eBooks, or one of the many RTF versions of books that I have. Is that too much to ask?

    I used to have a PDA, but it died, and I really can't justify spending the money for a PDA just to read a book again.

  73. Making money by giving things away by footage · · Score: 3, Informative

    In 2001 my film archives and stock footage company partnered with the Internet Archive to put 1001 (ultimately 1800) of our most popular films online (http://www.archive.org/movies/prelinger.php) for free downloading and reuse. Until then we'd been extremely protective of these images. Since starting to give footage away, our stock footage sales are way up, our income increased, and people stop me on Valencia Street to thank me for making the archives available. Hundreds (maybe thousands) of producers have made cool and interesting work that would have been hard to make without free footage. Most don't have any money to spend, so they wouldn't have paid anyway. Others doing higher-profile work need written license agreements, so they can and do pay.

    I'm convinced that the gift economy can generate returns. Cory is right.

  74. Use a Handspring or other PDA by Solx37 · · Score: 1

    I kept expecting your post to be a joke, since you were exactly describing how I read ebooks, on my Handspring. Light, I have dropped it alot, easy on the eyes LCD, the reader software does let me write notes (which I have never done), and so on. Also, the books usually sell for a bit less than the printed versions (at peanut press).

  75. Some thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real problem with ebooks is that the technology just isnt "there" for them yet. Screen resolutions just arent good enough for the small type that is required for a typical paperback book. Technologies like ClearText are ok but after long sessions, the effect wears off and your brain starts seeing the fonts as the crap resolution they really are. I predict that when screen resolutions start getting good enough to actually display smaller type without having to trick the brain into thinking that it is in focus, then ebooks will take off. Also I would love an ebook if it simulated the book experience, think the size of a paparback and the thickness of a greeting card. The most comfortable position I can think of is my elbows on my knees with the book being held in both hands. Now that is quality time. Its just not the same with a palm pilot (no pun intended).
    Back a few years ago I had to write something similar to an ebook. A company I worked for wanted all of their manuals online, this was before the ease of HTML (ok dating myself). Anyway what we found is that the employees complained the most over the fact that we used a white (#FFFFFF) background. Have you ever seen a book printed on white paper? I didnt think so they are always printed on papers that are off-white colors (actually whites in the yellow spectrum). We ended up using a combination of sepia and white and everyone was happy.

  76. My major problem: electronic text reading speeds by geekotourist · · Score: 1
    I love ebooks- I've got Eastern Standard Tribe, several other novels, and many shorter texts on my Treo. Nothing is better for interstitial time: grocery lines, red lights, airplane trips, stretches of empty interstate like 50 across Nevada...

    But if you have to read a lot of text at once- for either work or personal use- paper still wins, because paper isn't just a little bit faster: reading speeds are significantly faster for paper.

    Electronic text formats that try to make e-pages look just like paper pages don't help. You'll often be much better off reading small chunks of text with big fonts and very wide margins.

  77. It's because eBooks failed us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The promise of eBooks was that books would be
    a) much much cheaper
    b) widely available

    None of the industries involved (publishers, electronics manufacturers, countless middlemen) have worked toward that direction.

    They refuse to drop the pretense that eBooks are somehow better than real books. They aren't and won't be for some time. All they have is the potential for convenience - give us the convenience and we'll deal with the flaws.

    I'll look for eBooks when I can buy a reader for $10 - $20 and books are $1 each. Until then, there's the used book market.

  78. Text Bath by FromWithin · · Score: 1

    Out of necessity (I couldn't find anything to do it for me), I wrote a little command-line program called TextBath. It takes text like this and re-formats it into proper paragraphs and such. If somebody can point me in the direction of something better, please let me know. I'm yet to find anything. I use this all the time with eBook conversions, so it's got features specifically for doing that, like only joining lines if the next character is lower-case, re-joining split hyphenated words and so on.

    The link above is a win32 executable. If anybody wants the C++ source code (it's only small), just give me shout (you'll have to remove/edit the Win32 clipboard stuff).

  79. Re:My major problem: electronic text reading speed by KlomDark · · Score: 1

    I catch you reading while driving and I'm going to swerve at you or get in front and slam on my brakes. No matter how desolate the road, reading a book is totally inexcusable while driving a car.

    Take a fucking bus if you want to read on the road, or have someone else drive.

  80. Zaurus as reader by FromWithin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My Zaurus SL-C750 has completely changed the way I read. I'm starting to get really annoyed by the physicality of real books now, in the same way that my jukebox MP3 player has made me get annoyed with CDs. There is an excellent reader program which reads all sorts of formats (including Plucker and AportisDoc), and the smooth text scrolling is supremely smooth because of the 640x480 display. And of course, I can use it in portrait or landscape mode (when the screen is rotated, the display auto-rotates).

    It's so much better having a small, compact auto-scrolling backlit display to read from. Holding a book and turning pages is annoying.

  81. A fish stick... by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

    ...Is neither fish, nor a stick. It is a fungus. -Matt Groening

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  82. so, what should an ebook be? by bob_jenkins · · Score: 1

    So if the goal of an ebook is maximum flexibility, what is the standard base format? SGML? A collection of already-processed formats, all digitally signed and timestamped? Java?

    Also how do you make a profit off of providing it, once selling dead tree copies tapers off?

  83. Itunes books? by MakoStorm · · Score: 0, Troll

    Has anyone tried the books in itunes? I was never a big fan of e-books on the PC or the Ipaq/handheld but I always liked Audio books. There was a time when one of my family members lost their sight for half a year and we had a bunch, so I gave them a try and really liked them.

    Has anyone tried them yet and what's your experience?

  84. Summary of objections by gidds · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's always the same when someone mentions ebooks... Maybe I can try to save people some effort by summarising all the replies people want to post:
    • Ebook hardware is crap. The screen is to small, &c &c.
    • EBook files are far too restricted -- I don't want to lose all my books when I upgrade to a new machine or reader.
    • EBooks are far too expensive.
    • You can't fold down the page corners on an ebook.
    All these complaints are about some current implementations of ebooks, not inherent in the format. Yes, some reader hardware isn't good, some ebook files are overly-protected, and some reader apps are limited. But all this is changing, and will change more in future. There's nothing that says you have to have dedicated hardware; many different types of pocket computer are already good for reading ebooks, and I expect many more will become available. There's an awful lot of books available as plain text, both legally (free like Project Gutenberg, or paid like Fictionwise), and otherwise (P2P &c), which is both platform- and future-proofed. And some reader apps already handle bookmarks, annotations, &c. Most of these objections may seem silly in a few years.
    • No-one would ever read an entire book on screen. Paper is much easier on the eye.
    • There's nothing like being able to pick up a book and hold it.
    • You can't give ebooks as presents.
    These are mostly a matter of personal taste. Many people find that a good screen (whether desktop or palmtop) is easy enough on the eye that the other advantages of ebooks outweigh that objection. If you can pick up a book, then you have to have some space to put it into in the first place; some people have far more HD space available than bookshelf space. And people already give 'virtual' presents -- just think of book tokens, for example.

    In short, almost all the objections people are making are valid but limited -- to certain types of people, and/or current technology. I doubt ebooks will replace dead-tree books in the foreseeable future, but there's no reason why they may not provide a popular alternative.

    Personally, I've read far more on the screen of my Psion than I have on paper for the last few years; my library is over 80MB of compressed text. I always have something to read, wherever I am, and I can edit things as I wish (e.g. converting to British English spelling). The only place where paper is still better for me is on the loo; elsewhere, ebooks are more useful -- especially for reading in bed, where the backlight lets me read in the dark!

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    1. Re:Summary of objections by mzo23 · · Score: 1

      I agree, i've read 5 entire books on my gp32 (using the reader in Windups) and thats just a tiny 320x240 screen but it's clear enough to read pretty well on and has a bookmark system so if you have a few spare moments waiting for something you can just whip it out and read, bookmark then turn it off. I especially like e-books because I can read tons of them at the same time (meaning start and continue reading a new book while not currently finished reading another book, etc) without having to carry them all as seperate objects, I can just bust out the gp32 and decide what i'm in the mood to read.

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  85. Re:My major problem: electronic text reading speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did he say he was driving? You assume too much.

  86. Posted at Project Gutenberg by gbnewby · · Score: 1

    Ebooks: Neither E, Nor Books, by Cory Doctorow
    Subtitle: Paper for the O'Reilly Emerging Technologies Conference, 2004
    Link: http://www.gutenberg.net/1/1/0/7/11077
    Thanks to Cory Doctorow for making this public domain eBook available!

  87. Doctorow: Ebooks Neither E Nor Books by MissTuxie · · Score: 0

    As the lovely Linda Richman would say: I'll give you yet another topic. Slashdot is not a slash nor a dot. Discuss.

  88. Re:My major problem: electronic text reading speed by meme_police · · Score: 1

    If he wasn't driving why would he care about "red lights"? I see people using their PDAs while driving all the time.

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  89. Speed Reading by Fred+Fletcher · · Score: 1

    Cory Doctorow posts a version of his book at his website that displays the text, one and only one word at a time, in a sufficient size and resolution that allows for quick and easy reading, which can be displayed at a speed selectable by the reader providing a new reading experience. After reading in this manner it occurred to me that if the speed were to be varied in a subtle manner such that it might impart to the reader a since of timing and pacing, perhaps similar to music, which would, if probably applied, enhance the experience of the read. My guess is that such a single word by single word approach would make reading poetry much easier that I often find such works to be.