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Michael Dell Steps Down as CEO

A whole lot of readers made sure we knew that Michael Dell is calling it quits as CEO of Dell, and has named Kevin Rollins, the current president and chief operating officer of Dell, as his successor. Rollins will retain the title of president, but Michael Dell hasn't left completely. He's still planning on sticking around as chairman of the board.

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  1. Dude.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're getting a huge pension!

    1. Re:Dude.... by cachorro · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Actually, I had noticed that Mr. Dell cashed in a cool billion worth of stock last December. It must be nice to be able to take that much money off the table, and still be a major stakeholder.

      I wonder if he will simply take time to enjoy life, or perhaps he has a new pet project that has piqued his interest.

      Best wishes Michael, and thanks for all the magazine covers.

    2. Re:Dude.... by Mixel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe he's gonna sue SCO.. or battle the RIAA. Hmm, he's got truckloads of money and there are so many possibilities these days.

    3. Re:Dude.... by Gherald · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sad that I first heard about this story over here...

    4. Re:Dude.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Best wishes Michael, and thanks for all the magazine covers

      Not to mention the the steamy centerfolds! Rrrrawrr!!

    5. Re:Dude.... by t0ny · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Mike Dell is really following intelligent business. The jobs of CEO and Chairman, while it looks good on your resume to hold both, are really two jobs with completely different responsibilities, and unless its a really small corp, they should really be done by two separate people.

      It was all the rage in the dot-bomb era, but as usually reality comes crashing back in, demonstrating that there really IS a reason businesses run the way they do. So kudos to MD, who went out on top, unlike Eisner who had to be forced out. But the difference between the two is that MD is looking out for his company, and Eisner is looking out for Eisner.

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    6. Re:Dude.... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Mike Dell is really following intelligent business. The jobs of CEO and Chairman, while it looks good on your resume to hold both, are really two jobs with completely different responsibilities, and unless its a really small corp, they should really be done by two separate people.

      The problem being that to do the job of chairman effectively you usually have to have been the ex-CEO. So michael Dell is only following the normal practice for a founder, giving up the day to day running of the business and keeping the long term governance position.

      The dotcom startups were not really abberations here. There is not much point in having a chairman in a company that is only a few years old. if the management team are crooks or jerks then the truck is going to hit the wall and all the investors will lose their money in any case.

      What was an abberation was when the long established companies started running themselves in this way. Michael Eisener did not create Disney, he should not have unfettered control. He should not be paid so much for such mediocre results.

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  2. Just what Dell needs` by _Sexy_Pants_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    a bad*ss like Henry Rollins tearin' it up as CEO. "CUZ I'M A LIAR!"

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    1. Re:Just what Dell needs` by Shoten · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, I think that'll be in their new ad campaign...

      'Cause IT'S A NOTEBOOK! Yeah, IT'S A NOTEBOOK! It's more expensive , BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO MAKE!

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  3. Damn. by pclminion · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Dude, you're getting a Rollins" just doesn't have the same ring to it...

    1. Re:Damn. by mcpkaaos · · Score: 4, Funny

      They could always just say...

      "Dude, you're getting rolled!"

      At least it would have a ring of truth to it. :)

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  4. Re:somebody tell me why is this .... by Zonnald · · Score: 5, Funny

    As compared to ....

    You stepping down?

  5. The Dell in Dell by lewko · · Score: 4, Funny

    So if Michael Dell is stepping down and Kevin Rollins is taking over, does this mean I will soon be able to buy a PC with Rollins written on the case?

    Awesome!

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    1. Re:The Dell in Dell by TheKidWho · · Score: 5, Funny

      No it will be shortened to Rolls, you can add the Royce sticker by yourself.

    2. Re:The Dell in Dell by zephc · · Score: 2, Funny

      i liked Kevin Rollins way back when he was in Black Flag

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  6. So Much for AtAT Plot Lines... by the+pickle · · Score: 5, Funny

    He didn't even wait to copycat Steve on this one! What a shame!

    p

  7. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    must have something to do with exponential growth of Lunux on desktops, which I am told is happening

    No kidding. Two years ago 1, last year there were 2, this year: 4!

  8. Re:Why? by MissMarvel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps he's interested in plumbing. Ya think?

  9. So basically no change here... by overbyj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone like Dell will not go quietly into night. Even though his title is changing, nobody believes that he still won't have a profound influence over the company. It is his baby. THis will most likely be like Gates and MS. Sure, his title is different than what it used to be but he certainly still has a tremendous influence.

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    1. Re:So basically no change here... by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know why. If I had that much money I wouldn't care what happened to my company, I'd be too busy plumbing the depths of debauchery that such money can bring.

    2. Re:So basically no change here... by scottj · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most of Mr. Dell's money is in the company. Sure, he's taken a lot out, but the majority of it is in his Dell stock.

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    3. Re:So basically no change here... by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good then as his first order of new business he can give me a job!

      Or do I have to move to India first?

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    4. Re:So basically no change here... by E-Rock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Usually, when you build something from day one and end up a multi-billlionaire, it wasn't about the money. Money isn't the point of the game, it's just one of the ways to keep score.

    5. Re:So basically no change here... by Twisted+Mind · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If I had that much money I wouldn't care what happened to my company
      Maybe that's why you don't have that much money ;-).
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    6. Re:So basically no change here... by SnappleMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is the reason why people like Dell have all that money but people like you and me don't.

      If you're the kind of person who would retire after the first couple million and spend the rest of your life knee-deep in booze and cheap women, you won't ever have that kind of money! Sad, but true... Dell/Gates/etc don't keep working for the money. You could add or subtract a few zeros to their net worth and it wouldn't matter either way. They do it because they don't want to do anything else.

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    7. Re:So basically no change here... by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you're the kind of person who would retire after the first couple million and spend the rest of your life knee-deep in booze and cheap women, you won't ever have that kind of money

      I find that offensive. If I had that much money I wouldn't be consorting with cheap women, I'd be consorting with EXPENSIVE women.

    8. Re:So basically no change here... by nettdata · · Score: 2, Funny

      Except for that cool Billion that he cashed out last December, of course.

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  10. New Perspective by LacroixDP · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dell has gone a long way in the industry and has helped computing for the masses under Michael Dell's leadership. However, I'm hopefull the new CEO will increase the declining quality of Dell's products. I believe that their cost-cutting measures have really injured their corporate following; they aren't perceived as being as high of quality as they once were.

    1. Re: New Perspective by spideyct · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The "new CEO" Kevin Rollins has been running the show for at least a year. This is simply a title change. Do not expect any noticable change in Dell operations or direction, based on this change.

  11. Dell Steps Down by pyrrhonist · · Score: 5, Funny

    Said Dell, "It just got to the point where I was so damn rich, It just wasn't fun any more."

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    1. Re:Dell Steps Down by palutke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's probably not too far from the truth. At some point, I'd probably lose motivation if I had more money than I could possibly spend.

      Hell, there are days now when I don't have much motivation, and I'm just a lowly mechanical engineer.

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    2. Re:Dell Steps Down by wass · · Score: 5, Funny
      Actually, the conversation went more like this:

      Mr. Dell : I would like to step down as CEO. Here's my written statement.
      Boardroom Exec : Whoa, that's one helluva doozy, your memo doesn't look right. Are you sure the power cord is plugged in to your computer?
      Mr. Dell : Yes, this isn't a computer issue at all. I want to step down as CEO. Let's elect someone else.
      Boardroom Exec : No, that cannot be right. Okay, reboot your computer and try printing our your memo again. That should fix the problem.
      Mr. Dell : No you nitwit, I just want to resign. I know it, and I want us all to elect a new CEO.
      Boardroom Exec : Okay okay, now I know what's wrong. Before we do anything else I want you to reinstall these drivers on your computer and then give me the memo again. That should really fix the problem this time.
      Mr. Dell : Argh, I don't have time for this crap. I know what I want to do, just listen to me. I've been running the show for years, and now I know I want to leave. Let's convene a chairholder's meeting now.
      Boardroom Exec : No, we cannot do that yet. It wasn't a driver issue, so it must be the OS. Before we convene any meetings you'll have to reinstall windows on your computer so we can all make sure this is a legit memo. I'll hold as you do that .......
      Mr. DellAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!

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    3. Re:Dell Steps Down by SnappleMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      In a related (and 100% true) note:

      Two weeks ago I cancelled an order for a $1400 projector with Dell because that morning they send me an email saying the projector would be shipping in the middle of March. 15 minutes on hold and the call is disconnected by gremlins. Next try: 45 minutes (yes, really) on the phone and the order is cancelled. I'm a little steamed at this point about the phone time but oh well.

      Three days after that I got an email from Dell saying that the projector had shipped. I call Dell. 20 minutes (quick this time, ROFL) later I have my marching orders: "when the projector arrives just refuse delivery". Sounds good to me. I am only slightly pissed off.

      The projector arrives two days early so my "DHL: I refuse delivery of Dell's package" sign is not yet hung up on my door. DHL leaves the package on my doorstep. This is a $1400 item, shipped without "signature required". WTF? Now I am annoyed.

      The next day I call Dell. Hold time is less than 3 minutes but it still takes 30 minutes for the Customer Care chick to arrange DHL pickup at my house. At the end of the call she asks, "are you satisfied with Dell's service in this matter"? I laugh, exert all my force of will to refrain from swearing, and say "no I am not ".

      The next day the package is picked up. Finally! I assume in 2 weeks Dell will charge my VISA for the order and I'll get to do it all again.

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  12. Re:Mikes computer by rjstanford · · Score: 2

    Which page is this? Link please...

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  13. Re:Hmm by Reid · · Score: 5, Funny

    You won't be laughing in 20 years!

  14. Michael Dell, visonnaire??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not a troll, really. I'm just surprised they said something sorta like "Michael will think about The Next Big Thing (tm)" when they are just a hyper-efficient marketing arm/merchandizing facade for Intel. "Dell and R&D" don't go together in my mind, contrary to "Apple and R&D" or "IBM and R&D". Dell is nothing more than a glorified Northgate (or Everex, whatever).

    No, IMO, this does not jive. Either M. Dell has other objectives (politics, maybe, I dunno) or there was some sort of back-stage coup.

    1. Re:Michael Dell, visonnaire??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I once got to speak with a fairly high-up person in Dell. Our VP was keen to switch from Compaq (pre HP merger) and had known this guy for years. So I call the guy, and he asks why I preferred Compaq. One of the reasons I cited was Compaq's history of contributing technology and otherwise pushing the industry forward a little bit. His reply: "Yeah, our strategy is pretty much to let Compaq do the work and then just copy them and sell it cheaper."

      Now, this didn't really surprise me, as I've been in the industry a long time and knew that was pretty much the case. What stunned me was that he not only admitted it, but seemed proud of it. From that point on, I had yet another reason to never buy from them.

    2. Re:Michael Dell, visonnaire??? by craenor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, Dell pushes tons of research and development. It's just not done in house.

      When Dell squeezes more features into a portable, desktop, pda or server, how do you think they do it? They go to their vendors and tell them what they want a product to be able to do, then their vendors trip over themselves to develop just that very thing so Dell will buy it.

      That alone has spurred more change and inovation in the computer industry then most people would believe.

    3. Re:Michael Dell, visonnaire??? by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The company's technological innovation may be questionable, but Michael Dell was a visionary, in terms of the marketing and distribution of computers. Back when I was schlepping my fresh college transcript to possible employers asking for a job (Dell and I are the same age), he was taking out ads in computer trade magazines for built-to-order "PC's Limited Turbo XT" clones, sold through the mail or over the phone, with competent phone tech support and on-site service available. No storefront. No sales force. And affordable prices, because you were buying directly from the manufacturer (assembly plant, actually).

      I wish I could say that I liked the idea so much I bought the company, but all I could afford at the time was to buy one of the machines. (Heck, that's about all my current budget could afford, either.) It's how everyone does this stuff today (with order-placing over the net instead of by phone/mail), but it was considered a kinda crazy business model in the mid-1980's, and he made a go of it... and made it work.

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    4. Re:Michael Dell, visonnaire??? by El · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The man is a genius, not in technology, but in understanding supply chains, distribution, and margins. Computers are a strange industry -- you can practically watch them lose value as they sit on the shelf. The company that best implements "just-in-time" delivery of parts and just-in-time assembly in an industry where suppliers are notorious for playing games, can operate with lowest margins, and thus wins on grounds of price/performance. Dell has obviously been more successful in doing this then others, notably HP/Compaq.

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    5. Re:Michael Dell, visonnaire??? by hachete · · Score: 2, Insightful

      umm. That's sounds more like Walmart. Maybe Dell does sell bananas after all

      h.

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  15. Dell said that research is overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dell said at Oracle conference in SF last year that SUN and HP spend too much on overrated research and development and consequently are driving the cost of their systems up even higher.

    He should be fired now.

    1. Re:Dell said that research is overrated by addaon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Profit should be the first and foremost goal of any company.

      Why?

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    2. Re:Dell said that research is overrated by addaon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      if a company does not profit it cannot pay its employees

      Why? Profit is calculated after expenses. ... it cannot expand

      So what? ... it cannot research new areas

      So what?

      Why do you think all the dot coms failed?

      Less income than expenses.

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    3. Re:Dell said that research is overrated by sophos00 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I don't necessarily disagree with what you're trying to say, the ultimate answer to your question is that we live in a capitalist country.

      In a capitalist system the basic notion is that by generating a profit for it's owners, a company will strive to be more effective in whatever manner consumers want them to be. Strictly in terms of economic theory, what drives a person to start a family business or branch an existing company into a new market is that it will make them big bucks.

      Now, what you seem to be saying is that such a system does not yield the intended results. I, personally agree with you, but the current consensus amongst economists is that it's still the best system there is. But really, your question shouldn't be "why are companies striving for a profit" but "is there a better system of motivation for a global market other than personal greed."

      Unfortunately, I think the answer is no.

  16. And when we say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And when we say "sticking around as chairman of the board", we mean "snorting cocaine off the backs of hookers on his yacht".

  17. This is similar to Bill Gates stepping down... by b0r0din · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We all know who the puppetmaster is. You don't have to wear all the hats to still be the man behind the curtain. This doesn't surprise me, Dell's quality has suffered in recent months and it wouldn't surprise me if he was doing this to take some of the pressure off of himself.

    I think this is actually a very wise move by Dell, because while this is a guy who started a business on his own and became extremely good at it, I would be surprised (I honestly don't know) if he was that business school MBA who can lead a company over the long run. Plus, if Rollins messes up, he can always blame the new CEO for all the problems.

  18. No More Pay Cuts by xeon4life · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe under this new leadership Dell will stop it's massive pay cuts to ensure it will have enough money for it's "10K A Day Giveaway."

    I would know. My dad is one of the best Dell's licensing sales rep in his building and went from making bank (compared to what he used to make at Circuit City) to making near $60,000. Not only was it shocking at the time, it was appalling when two days later Dell announced it's "10K A Day Giveaway," not to mention the massive payroll cuts a few weeks after that.

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    1. Re:No More Pay Cuts by NateTech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You do understand that to a very large percentage of people right here in the U.S. (not some small underdeveloped nation) that $60K a year would be "making bank"?

      Go hang around a homeless shelter for a while and do some volunteering, it might get that snooty attitude off your face. Or just spend one afternoon sitting in the waiting room of an unemployment office. Best yet, just buy some poor kids toys at Christmas and realize they're that poor YEAR 'ROUND.

      Those of us that lived through layoffs that turned into weeks, months, and then who breathed a sigh of relief when just over the 1-year line -- a job was found -- hoorah -- don't have any sympathy for someone who's held a job after "making bank" and now claims to be struggling on a reasonable middle-class salary. Pffft. Whatever.

      Seriously man, I agree with you that many large U.S. corporations are mismanaged, but get a grip on reality about money -- just by living in the U.S. you're already more prviledged than well over 2/3's of the world's population.

      Your dad went through a massive paycut because PC's are becoming a commodity item -- study up on some economics.

      Commodity items don't need salespeople -- people just buy them on their way home from work every day. Milk, bread, and cheese. Ya know?

      PC's are close to that... not quite there, and because of their complexity won't ever quite get there. But for those of us that know them well and use them, yeah... I know I can go get a machine I can turn into a busy server in half an hour down the road at any store, and the hardware will run me about $350 right now no matter where I get it. Dell has to give me a reason NOT to buy it locally -- so they either have to have a higher quality product for the same price, or they have to have a lower price than the local store.

      Guess what else commodity items have to do? Differentiate themselves from all the other commodity products. Dell's "10K a day giveaway" is one (misguided, I agree) way to try to do that. They're trying to SAVE your dad's job, you doofus.

      Personally I think they build mediocre machines with decent longevity for just under median prices. That's a "reasonable" place to be if their margins are big enough to survive bumps in the road. I know I can save about $50 buying a Dell... then it comes down to whether or not I want to wait to have it shipped to me.

      But no PC or software or "license" salesman is ever going to "make bank" ever again.

      Time for pops to either specialize or find something else people are paying lots of money for... the PC boom is over. Long over.

      Big screen TV's and HDTV seem to be starting up the front side of the curve again, and if the economy takes off (it will, sooner or later) and diposable income rises, people will be slappin' down the cash for HDTV sets that cost three to ten times as much as a PC to produce (and the prices will start down, drastically, which will signal my usual "buy time" for such items if I feel like buying one).

      Equal commision percentage, dad would be "bringin' home the bacon" again. So, that Circuit City job may not be so bad nowadays... and at the very least you'd have a nice discount on buying one.

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  19. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    You won't be laughing in 20 years!

    The joke's on you. I'll be dead in 20 years. Who's laughing now?

  20. 'Cause I'm a LIAR by VitrosChemistryAnaly · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Michael Dell is calling it quits as CEO of Dell, and has named Kevin Rollins..."

    Oh man, it'd be so much cooler if he named Henry Rollins as his successor. There would really be some ass kicking going on then...

    Dude, you're getting a fucking punch in the face!!!

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    1. Re:'Cause I'm a LIAR by SpyPlane · · Score: 2, Funny

      If it was Henry, then he would have enough money to implement his plan to buy every hot woman a 357 magnum. His idea was, to give em' all guns, so the next time they're walking by a contruction site and some chicken s&*# worker yells something from 6 stories up, the woman can at least shoot back.

      I thought it was a good idea.

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  21. Re:Why? by Dukael_Mikakis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, but for many people (especially CEOs, after a while) such decisions have nothing to do with pay. Many of these CEOs work up the ladder (or establish the company, in Dell's case) put in the effort and the hours, earn hundreds of millions of dollars, and don't see any reason to continue working, even though they might make $500K, $1M.

    It says that he had softened his role previously, working on big picture issues, and all the things that are sort of fun to do and don't necessarily generate a hard product, so it probably won't change anything. Probably he just got burned out and wanted to do regattas, Larry Ellison-style.

  22. Dell & Linux anyone? by Kevin+Burtch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone know if the new guy is Linux-friendly?

    I know Dell claims to be, and pretended to try Linux on consumer systems and gave up claiming "they weren't selling"... but that was because of the systems they chose to list Linux as an option with.

    Just because we like an OS that _happens_ to be free (in both senses of the word), doesn't mean we're cheapskates!

    How many Linux users do you know who would go out and buy the bottom-of-the-line of anything?
    We go for the hotrods, bigger/better/faster/more.
    I don't care if that monster notebook weighs 8.5#, I'm not a wimp, I want the power and rediculously-high resolution screen!

    Actually - after reading an article on installing Linux on an I8600, I priced one - amazing how cheap you can get a 1920x1200 LCD notebook for these days.

    Too bad it requires the MS-tax.

    The 1st thing I'd do with it is shrink down the MS partition to as small as it goes (to keep it around to make the diag-drones happy) and install Linux on it. (just like I did with the notebook I'm typing this on, sadly only having 1400x1050 on the LCD).

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    1. Re:Dell & Linux anyone? by gnu-sucks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many Linux users do you know who would go out and buy the bottom-of-the-line of anything?

      Well, I run mostly BSD-based os's, but 90% of my computers are pre-1998. My email server, for example, is a 486.

      One of the fundamental cool things about most open-source operating systems is their ability to run on almost any hardware.

      I know thats not what you're going at right now, but I thought it was a good point :)

  23. Outsourced? by MooseByte · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I first read the headline I thought Dell had finally outsourced their CEO position.

    (No doubt to be closer to the core of the company.)

    Support top-down outsourcing!

  24. Re:Dude, I'm Cashing In by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In other words, he's going to keep getting a paycheck but will no longer work for it.

    Shareholders elect the chairman. They do not elect the president or CEO. If Dell remains as chairman, he must be working to increase shareholder gains or else they would fill the role with someone who would. (At the next election opportunity, that is, but we'll see...)

    Michael Dell does not own enough shares alone to ensure that he gets or remains chairman; it's the shareholders who decide that.

  25. Better Linux Support??? by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can only hope that Mr. Rollins has the balls to step up and start supporting Linux. Dell has always been so wishy-washy about it... especially since they are known to get the largest discounts from M$. Perhaps a new CEO will mean new life for a new millenium and we'll actually get better Linux support across more of their product line.

    BTW: anyone notice that Dell's latest snail mail ad catalog was offering RedHat? So was Gateway's.

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    1. Re:Better Linux Support??? by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And its also why companies like mine choose white box solutions for the most part. However, its worth pointing out that it isn't just about the open source community. Its about choice. If I buy a server that runs Windows today, I want to know that it will run Linux if I choose to migrate a year later. I don't want to have to replace it simply because of a lack of driver support. When companies like Dell, IBM, etc start supporting Linux the result is hardware that is mutlti-OS. In Linux happy notebooks, for example, the OEMs don't choose to include WinModems. In the case of Centrino, they sell you a Centrino system, then replace the Centrino wifi with a Linux supported one. The result is that you no longer have to fear that your platform will only support a single (M$) operating system. And as a result, the customer gets more choice. Yes, we want source code. And yes, we want GPL compliance. But ask any Linux on Centrino user right now if they'd rather have a binary-only wifi driver or to use the NDISwrapper or other hacks and they'll say they want the binary driver.

      At least to me, open source is about choice. Its about choosing my OS. This is why I avoid Sun. At least with Wintel, I can run Linux, Netware, or Windows. But to run Solaris, I have to pay for SPARC or use the slower x86 version that they don't support as well and that one year they give away for free and the next year they say its being discontinued. I use open source because I can choose the best tool for the job. I just migrated a customer from an IMAP/SquirrelMail solution to MS Exchange. Why? Because all their users were Outlook power users and Exchange was the best tool for the job. But at least I know the server I spec'd will also run Linux so if they get tired of patches, viruses, etc., I can migrate them back... perhaps to Suse's OpenExchange server. Companies like Dell and IBM supporting Linux is like software coders compiling for different platforms. I user OpenOffice and Mozilla on all my Windows and Linux systems. Why? Because they're virtually identical on all platforms. I can switch OSs, but keep my profiles and files in sync.

      I won't argue that the open source community bitches a lot. I think you have a valid point i this regard. But the reality is that if you took M$'s "we proudly use and recommend Windows" discounts out of the equation, companies like Dell (companies that are focused on the almightly dollar) would be more likely to support Linux. Heck, Dell would be better off just saying "we've tested our h/w offering for xxx line on RedHat x.x, Suse x.x, Debian x.x, etc. We don't provide technical support for Linux distributions, but our h/w will play well with Linux". The reality is that most of us that would look for a Linux happy system from Dell already know how to install it and use it. And for those that don't, there's Wal-Mart $200 PC's with Lindows.

  26. A new career by bmiller949 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why doesn't Michael Dell become a school teacher like Woz and actually make a difference in someone's life. He doen't need money but he could do something personally enriching.

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  27. Re:Dude, I'm Cashing In by Zed2K · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well the company is named after him afterall. Of course he should still receive a paycheck.

  28. Re:Mikes computer by Serk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Go here - Michael Dell's Page Then click Michael on the menu bar at the top, and go to "Michael's Computers"

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  29. Rags To Riches Story. by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only 15 years ago, Dell's new CEO was up on stage fronting his band, Dexy's Midnight Runners, dressed in faded denim dungarees and singing "Come On Eileen" and now look at him... chairman of a global computer corporation... amazing.

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    1. Re:Rags To Riches Story. by Zonnald · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Surely you mean

      Henry Rollins

      http://www.bandhunt.com/artist_site/band.php/ro0 18 /

      not Kevin Rowlings

  30. Henry Rollins named new Dell CEO by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 3, Funny
    "Misery, depression, elation all mine. Refine confinement all my design." said Henry Rollins to puzzled reporters at a press conference. "I reach deep inside myself. I rip out a handful of bleeding crackling wires. I squeeze the juice out. I burn them out. I want to see where the truth lies."

    Rollins then proceeded to scream primally and body slam the dainty woman from CNN. DELL stock actually managed to reach negative numbers in early trading but closed out at a price of 2.3x10^-30 per share.

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  31. Well, duh! (was Re:Dell & Linux anyone?) by CaptKilljoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd think that the answer is obvious: Rollins will be Linux-friendly if he thinks it will make Dell more money and he won't if he doesn't.

  32. Re:There's a pattern here... by ncc74656 · · Score: 3, Funny
    it's the fact that they're named "Michael" not that they're CEOs that's causing them to quit.

    maybe Michael Powell will quit being the FCC chairman?

    Personally, I think it'd be more useful if michael got the heave-ho.

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  33. Actually .... by Hungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It was more like Dude you getting voted out. The Article doesn't mention it, but radio mentioned that he did not get re- elected to his position as CEO and so they decided to split the position. I can't find mention of it online yet however so no link.

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    1. Re:Actually .... by flosofl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Are you sure you're not confusing "Dell" with "Disney"?

      Because that's what happened to Eisner at Disney. Except he got a no-confidence from the shareholders (40+% abstained). He was still elected by default because no one ran against him. The Disney board decided to split the positions with seperate people as Chairman and CEO. Eisner is still the CEO (because he has that position contractually until 2006) and Mitchell is now the Chairman.

      Or is it because they both start with the letter "D"? I'm sure that's what confused you... :)

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  34. And his replacement is... by Hanji · · Score: 2, Funny
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  35. Not a big deal, really by real+gumby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the reforms suggested (i.e. not enforced by any code or law) by the SEC as a response to the enron/worldcom pseudo-scandal is that the job of CEO and chairman be split. Note that Disney just did this in the hopes of deflecting some dirt.

    In the case of Dell: if your company is doing well but you want to split this job to make the Street happy, well, would you take the job that involves more work or the one that involves less? So the CEO job becomes more like a COO...and guess what? Rollins is the COO right now!

    Like other posters I doubt this implies much change for Dell the company or Dell the man.

  36. snafu by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I first glanced at this... I coulda sworn it said "Cowboy Neil Steps Down as CEO of Bell Labs".

    The only thing necessary for Micro$oft to triumph is for a few good programmers to do nothing". North County Computers

  37. Re:Mikes computer by paradesign · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Nope, it only works in IE, not Firefox.

    Hmmmmm? Wonder why?

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  38. Re:Mikes computer by tupps · · Score: 2, Funny

    You have just shown yourself to be an IE user! The menu only works in IE, here is the page:

    http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/global.as px /corp/michael/en/computers?c=us&l=en&s=cor p

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  39. the GIANT HEAD just got smaller... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the GIANT HEAD of Dell, just got a little smaller.

    Actually this is just a investors game. In the wake of some of the corporate scandals, large investors are pushing for the appearance of "better corporate governance". They would prefer that the Chairman of the Board is not also the CEO. The Board is supposed to provide oversight over the people running the day to day operations.

    See what just happened at Disney with Eisner.

    Gates and Balmer played this game a while back. Let Uncle Fester run the company day to day and be the henchman, and let Billy play research boy and still be Chairman of the Board. Then Billy can run around playing politics, giving PowerPoint presentations, and pretending to be a philanthropist by giving away some of the billions he made running an illegal monopoly in the form of "free Microsoft products for the poor and needy".

    But really it means nothing. It's just a sham. Do you really think the GIANT HEAD is going anywhere? He is still in control at Dell.

  40. So Long, And Thanks For All The Toilet Paper by rufo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Isn't that all those catalogs are good for?

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  41. Re:Mikes computer by Serk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Totally off topic, but I hafta defend myself... Actually, I'm a FireFox user, but noticed the page wasn't working in FireFox, so I said a quick prayer, sprinkled some chicken blood on my computer for luck, and fired up IE to get the page...

    Shoulda just put a disclaimer in the original post...

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  42. Sadly, it doesn't work this way... by bersl2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's still planning on sticking around as chairman of the board.

    You have been elected Chairman of the Board (again).
    Pay each player $50.

  43. Asked for a reason... by Lars+T. · · Score: 3, Funny

    Micheal Dell answered: " I just once wanted to do something where Steve Jobs had to follow my footsteps."

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  44. Dell's job was actually outsourced... by whyde · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...to India!

    It's true! I read it on BBspot earlier today!

  45. Um, wrong... by gregwbrooks · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Dell is utterly visionary and their R&D people are first-rate -- just not at developing products.

    The Dell vision has been and continues to be to enter markets just before they reach commoditization and to rapidly scale up market share by undercutting on price.

    Think they don't have R&D people? Think again -- they've got hundreds. But those hundreds are busy looking for the next market Dell can enter and dominate (think of how they entered the server market and, more recently, the PDA market).

    Just because someone spends their R&D dollars on econometric models and market research rather than trying to invent truly new products doesn't mean they're not innovating. Dell taught an entire generation of successful companies how to analyze, parse, enter and dominate markets.

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    1. Re:Um, wrong... by nettdata · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's not R&D, in my opinion, that's marketing.

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  46. Re:Why? by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe he saw this advert:

    Senior Plumbing Architect wanted

    You will have over 10+ years experience in the plumbing trade, be Corgi approved, and must have experience in the following: Mira Excel/Form/88/Advance/Extreme/Elite 2 and also Bristan Java/Omega/1901/Pinnacle. Experience with Triton, Aqualisa is desirable but not required as training will be provided. Your duties will include mentoring junior plumbers and providing feedback when required. You will also be expected to draw up specifications and cost estimates when necessary. As you will be meeting customers face to face, you will be expected to dress appropriately. A toolkit and company subsidized transport will also be available.

    Salary: Negotiable

  47. Re:AMD procs.. by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why? They just spent the last decade convincing their customers they need "the awesome power of the Intel [chipname] processor".

    I mean just because they're more expensive, not really faster and generally are just name doesn't mean you should stick only with one company.

    Shit Darwin's just a "theorist" anyways.

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  48. Hmm... by Jorkapp · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe now that he's got more spare time, he'll post on /. more often!

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  49. Dell sucks... by SteveXE · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Im sure this is happening because Dell's once bright image is fading into darkness and they are quickly becoming the next Packard Bell, selling junk computers and worse support for them.

    1. Re:Dell sucks... by ThisIsFred · · Score: 2

      Whoa, come on. Dell isn't quite that bad yet. At least their machines are more reliable than Gateway's. But still, they're no IBM.

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  50. Ted Waitt by TheViewFromTheGround · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ted Waitt did the same thing at Gateway three or four years ago, to pursue his interests in sexual violence prevention and equitable access to technology. Oddly enough I work on both of those, and have had the chance to meet him several times. Waitt's intelligence and money have helped in these areas, and I can only hope that Michael Dell might think about doing something similar.

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  51. Exact quote? by spideyct · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's sound more like a paraphrase, unless he was just speaking off the cuff. Dell's direct model has always been based on "give the customer what they want when they ask for it", as opposed to "spend a lot of money to build something new and then spend a lot of money trying to convince the customer they need it (at a premium price)", which is the basis of the companies which you, for some reason, prefer to do business with.
    Most companies would rather pay the best price for equipment that fulfills their needs. Hence, the popularity of Dell. Apparently your company would rather pay a high-magin markup for the latest and greatest toy, which has yet to be proven to fulfill a need.

  52. Why would you tell everyone? by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 2, Funny
    "...snorting cocaine off the backs of hookers..."

    What the hell does my weekend hobby have to do with this article on Slashdot?

  53. Re:AMD procs.. by tomstdenis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Um? Why would a Ford dealer sell a competitors car?
    Last I checked DELL makes PCs/laptops/etc. They don't actually make the pieces.

    However, since they only sell Intel procesesors with their computers they are doomed to follow Intel [up and down]. Say the next P4 [say the P5? oh shit they already made that... um P4-II?] is a bomb. What does DELL do then?

    Really it makes good business sense to offer at least one alternative [say AMD and ideally they should offer Crusoe for laptops]. That way if one supplier bombs they're not shit out of product.

    The correct analogy would be similar to Hertz only renting Ford cars or something.

    Tom

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  54. It's obvious by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mr. Dell is cashing out because he knows the PC market is TOAST!. PCs are such a commodity now days that Dell doesn't have an advantage anymore. Just look at the sub $200 PCs at Walmart! And with China and Korea quickly sucking up market share, it won't be long before you can nab a highend PC for $200.

    I'm not saying this is bad. It's just that Mr. Dell is smart and KNOWS the market is about to crumble. In fact, Dell doesn't make anything anymore, they just rebrand the laptops made by Samsung. Soon, Samsung will cut out the middle man and sell the laptops themselves.

    Also, you can forget about fixing and repairing PCs as job security. That goldmine has ran out. Why pay someone $100 just to patch up an older PC when you can get a new one for double that amount (and comes with warranty)?

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    1. Re:It's obvious by operagost · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Also, you can forget about fixing and repairing PCs as job security. That goldmine has ran out. Why pay someone $100 just to patch up an older PC when you can get a new one for double that amount (and comes with warranty)?
      If it has your important data on it? Of course, this means that you'll need to learn real troubleshooting and data recovery techniques, and not just be a "reboot and reformat" monkey.
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  55. Never buying a Dell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I knew a guy who was fired from Dell after they trumped up an accusation at him for surfing for porn at work. They did that to get around paying unemployement or severance or anything. A lot of people got let go for similar false reasons at a time when a lot of people were let go.

    So whenever I hear "Dude, you're getting a Dell" I mentally add "...so bend over and take it"

  56. Re:Mikes computer by AeroIllini · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So Michael has this fabulously fast machine, one that rivals the computing power of God Himself, and he uses it to...

    - Play games? No time. He's an executive.
    - Compile sophisticated code? Hahahahaha....
    - Find the billionth digit of pi? You've got to be kidding.

    No, most likely he simply...

    - Types emails in Outlook (perhaps with bold text)
    - Writes memos and other executive-type papers in Word
    - Surfs the internet
    - Uses Dell's in-house accounting software
    - Makes pretty presentations in PowerPoint

    But then again, probably 80%* of the desktop population has many magnitudes more machine than they require. I'm waiting for the day when a computer company realizes that a computer does not have to be the end-all electronic appliance in a home. A glorified toaster for Office, web browsing, and email would suffice for the masses, if they can get their gaming fix from a console. Those of us with real computing needs can get the real computers.

    * Warning! Made-up statistic!

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  57. playing games by Sean+Clifford · · Score: 2, Interesting
    - Play games? No time. He's an executive.

    I guess you haven't met many executives. Golf games, flight sims, sports games. And odd one here and there who can go toe to toe with you in Halo or who'll take the plunge into Desert Combat. So who knows? Maybe Dell eagerly anticipates Half-Life 2 and Doom III as much as the rest of us.

    Now, for most of the folks in most offices, no they don't require a machine with much umph to word process, email, and whatever.

  58. Re:Exact quote? Probably IS an exact quote... by hlygrail · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This isn't much of a paraphrase. I've heard similar things from the inside of Dell in regards to Compaq's well-known and well-developed R&D division (now part of HP, but still intact as an R&D division last time I checked, which was admittedly many months ago).

    Compaq's R&D may be bleeding edge, but to say that it's "yet to be proven to fulfill a need" is just plain ignorant. Just because a SMB (small- to medium-size business) doesn't need systems running RAID arrays that can survive multiple simultaneous drive failures [which Compaq pioneered], or systems employing "RAID memory" technology and can survive on vanilla Dell boxes, doesn't diminish Compaq's contribution in any way. Nor does it elevate Dell's position in the market.

    Dell's best market is the ability to cater to the masses at a reasonable cost. However, those of us who have been working in and supporting the Intel server market (and those who've been around longer that have worked with mid-range systems) for more than a decade more clearly recognize the benefits of choosing a Compaq-level service/support/research organization BECAUSE of its R&D division. High-class R&D almost always breeds high-class products, and certainly breeds an environment of TESTING before release. I can name off only one or two faux pas from the Compaq server line (one with a RAID array firmware conflict, the other with a mobo firmware problem) from those 10+ years; I can point out that many problems in only 3 months of my last job where I supported a room full of current Dell's.

    In my opinion , Dell does a great job repackaging the latest Intel processor in a vanilla, reference-level server-class [loose term in this usage] motherboard and shipping it out. What I DON'T see from Dell is the requisite testing of those systems together to provide a stable overall level of quality in those servers.

    Compaq servers may be slightly behind the bleeding curve because it takes time to properly test hardware and software. If you skip testing, or do a poor job of it, of course you can be first out the door with the latest and greatest. But it's not worth it to me.

    Real-world examples:

    Company 1 - major 3-letter acronym subsidiary. Could not buy XXX servers internally because mfg couldn't keep up, so we bought Compaqs. We had a high-availability, enterprise class, global infrastructure that almost NEVER failed in 5 years. We had a few Dells in lab and development environments that required a fair number of repairs over the same timeframe. (Yes, this is anecdotal, I know.) For what it's worth, we paid less externally for Compaq servers than we would have internally for XXX servers, which is how I was able to run it right through the XXX CFO's office. :)

    Company 2 - Anecdotal, and YMMV, but I've seen this repeated so many times... don't even get me started on the Dell workstations. If I ever have to call Dell Support and get another bonehead in India, I will go postal! Hands-down, the worst tech support I've ever dealt with was Dell's workstation/laptop folks in Bangalore (circa September 2003, and swore never again would I call!)...

  59. Re:Exact quote? Probably IS an exact quote... by John+Miles · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just because a SMB (small- to medium-size business) doesn't need systems running RAID arrays that can survive multiple simultaneous drive failures [which Compaq pioneered]

    Actually, no, they didn't do all the RAID pioneering in the PC world. The DDA was an in-house-designed product that was pretty darned nifty for its time, and resulted in quite a few patents for the people who worked on it.

    Back in the early 90s, Dell was actually shaping up to be a formidable engineering company in its own right. We (I worked there at the time) designed and debugged our own motherboards and ASICs, and Dell was the first PC vendor to come out with an 80486 workstation, beating Compaq (who was famous for being first with the 80386) to the punch.

    People around here seem to be selling Dell short as an engineering outfit, and that's not entirely fair or accurate. After it became clear that the PC was a commodity, Dell's engineering efforts were redirected at manufacturing and support processes rather than the products themselves, and that's when they really started to kick butt. No one -- not HP, not Compaq, not IBM -- proved able to compete with Dell's process engineering talent.

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  60. A new career in an Indian Call Centre by fastdecade · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why doesn't Michael Dell spend 14hrs a day working the phones in Bangalore, enriching the life of his customers who spent first-world money only to put up with third-rate service.

  61. Whew! by cyclist1200 · · Score: 2, Funny

    For a second there I was starting to think this was true!