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U.S. Home Internet Access up to 75%

waytoomuchcoffee writes "Over 200 million U.S. residents now have access to the internet at home, or 3/4 of the U.S. population. This is quite a jump, as only 51% of U.S. homes had access to the internet in August of 2000. Interestingly, among age/gender groups, internet access is highest among females 35-54."

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  1. ...internet access is highest among females 35-54 by Phoenix-kun · · Score: 4, Funny

    So all those email solicitations I've been getting lately from lonely housewives were real?

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  2. Not surprising by YanceyAI · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Interestingly, among age/gender groups, Internet access is highest among females 35-54.

    Surprising to male /.ers perhaps, but not us girls...I spend eight hours a day on a T-3 at work and five nights a week on my cable connection at home. Typical home activities include updating my Web page, trolling forums, email/messaging friends, playing competitive leagues Counter-Strike, and shopping. At work, when I'm not /.ing, I'm a communications coordinator (writer & designer). I use the 'Net for research, purchasing, and communication with my colleagues.

    You guys keep being surprised, but women make up half the work force where we spend a lot of time on computers. We buy more than half of all electronic devices and more than half of all computer games (and no they are not all for our spouses/children).

    Wake up boys. This is no more news than females voting and driving!

    That said, I've noticed the net is slowing down at home and at work. Do we have the infrastructure for all of America to be online (and with blazing connections)?

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    1. Re:Not surprising by darth_MALL · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait a minute...Women have the VOTE!?

    2. Re:Not surprising by rjelks · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hope there was a scientific poll done for this. If they relied on asking people their sex in AOL chatrooms, they may have to downgrade that number. /jk

    3. Re:Not surprising by Phoenix-kun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is true. One of my good friends is female and does very much of what you have listed, forums, email, web mistress, etc. In fact, she is, by far, the best competitive game-player I have ever had the pleasure to know, male or female.

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    4. Re:Not surprising by moltar77 · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's this?
      A girl on slashdot?!?

    5. Re:Not surprising by prgrmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That said, I've noticed the net is slowing down at home and at work. Do we have the infrastructure for all of America to be online (and with blazing connections)?

      I don't think it's the infrastructure or lack thereof so much as the viri, spyware, spam, pop-ups, pop-unders, and poor configurations and security. We need to do more to improve the signal-to-noise ratio.

    6. Re:Not surprising by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We buy more than half of all electronic devices and more than half of all computer games...

      Are you sure about that? I would find it surprising if that were true--especially the games part.

      Anyway, it doesn't surprise me women use the internet more. That is something I always expected would happen. First of all, there are more women than men so women will have slightly more numbers. Second, internet has great potential to replace or complement social relationships. Women seem to be more into "social stuff" than men.

      Having said that, I think most geeks will be men. So tech-oriented websites, for example, will be dominated by men. It remains to be seen if I'm right...

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

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    7. Re:Not surprising by SnappleMaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "You guys keep being surprised, but women make up half the work force where we spend a lot of time on computers."

      In some sectors maybe. In "hardcore dev"... I've worked at 3 companies in my adult life (plus 4 more companies as an intern). The male/female ratio has been and remains approximately 10:1. My graduating class (Comp Eng) consisted of 80 or so guys and *zero* females.

      Now don't get me wrong. I sure wish there were more chicks around. OTOH if I go across the street to marketing the ratio is more like 2:1 with the females on top (figuratively).

      Personally, I'm surprised at the results (and wondering if they can be accurate).

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    8. Re:Not surprising by the_mad_poster · · Score: 4, Funny

      lol hehe :)

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

      WTH? At first I couldn't figure out what you were laughing at and thought you were laughing at your own name...

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    9. Re:Not surprising by YanceyAI · · Score: 3, Informative
      Yes. The games stat can be found by downloading the Entertainment Software Assoc. Stats book here:
      http://www.theESA.com/pressroom.html

      FYI: 39% of gamers are women, but they buy most games.

      The electronics stat was posted on Slashdot a few days ago...I'd look for it, but I'm busy working...

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    10. Re:Not surprising by YanceyAI · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It doesn't say most hardcore developers, it says most Internet users...

      Also consider that women do most of the desk work in the US, using computers to do their jobs...

      Get out of your tech-hole and realize most people use the Internet daily for work and daily for entertainment and staying in touch. Women slightly more than half the population.

      And actually, I would guess hardcore developers aren't on the Net when they are at work. Aren't they are coding???

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    11. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      FYI: 39% of gamers are women, but they buy most games.

      Yes, because the males pirate the rest of them.

    12. Re:Not surprising by jcsehak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, hold on! I thought it was about their suffering, and it was cute that they didn't know how to spell. That whole thing was about voting? Damn, those women can be crafty...

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    13. Re:Not surprising by the_mad_poster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, I get your parent's post, it's just that the way you wrote your post (potentially unclear content directly followed by your name) made it joke fodder.

      Incidentally... I think a lot of people are using Insightful mods now to mod Funny posts up so that the poster gets Karma. Downmods from a Funny post can hurt your Karma, but upmods to Funny don't help it, so a lot of people seem to be short-circuiting this oddity by using karma-giving upmods on Funny posts and hoping that the reader is smart enough not to rely on the mod result to determine what is and isn't a joke.

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  3. computers by bsharitt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I didn't know computer ownership was that high

    1. Re:computers by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's the bottom line, Internet-capable computers are getting very close to joining the telephone, running water, and television as being assumed to be in every home in the USA.

    2. Re:computers by prostoalex · · Score: 4, Informative


      About 30 million Americans are accessing the Internet from some place other than home or work. School, neighbor's house or friend's house, and libraries.

    3. Re:computers by essaunders · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My father still has and uses an apple IIgs. A useable non-internet capable computer if I've ever seen one.

  4. OSDN Personals? by StrandedOrg · · Score: 5, Funny

    "internet access is highest among females 35-54" So thats why there are 3 girls registered on the OSDN Personals instead of the one that had her pic put in the banner. That would account for the huge jump =)

  5. In December 2003 by prostoalex · · Score: 4, Informative

    In December 2003 only 126 million Americans were online. Also, interesting to note that 66 mln use the Internet on a daily basis.

  6. Age Distribution by myownkidney · · Score: 4, Funny
    M / F 2 - 17 49,078 63,270 77.60%

    Going by all the trolls on ./, I think the distribution must be close to the 2-year old end.

  7. ...internet access is highest among females 35- by medscaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, Internet access is actually highest among middle aged men who call themselves "Debra".

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    1. Re:...internet access is highest among females 35- by HungWeiLo · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Internet - where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents.

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    2. Re:...internet access is highest among females 35- by JPriest · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Maybe females between 35-54 are most likely to have kids that use the net for school?

      I dunno, my mom seems to use a computer often for her digital camera, printing greeting cards, emailing Joe cartoon attatchments etc. So it could be possible.

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    3. Re:...internet access is highest among females 35- by lysium · · Score: 3, Interesting
      and children are FBI agents.

      More precisely, they are bots that report to law enforcement.

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    4. Re:...internet access is highest among females 35- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Two things that may possibly affect this figure...
      1. Most registration forms have a dropdown with female as the first entry(alphabetical order).
      2. What does a null date default to? 12/31/1969, just about 35 years ago.

      How many fake/minimally filled in registrations have you filled out lately?

    5. Re:...internet access is highest among females 35- by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, the reason is probably because the men are smart enough to share their home internet connections between all of their roommates (or even neighbors) with NAT and home networking or WiFi. So they only get counted as one person. But the girls are the ones that buy the multiple IP addresses and all that from the cable company. I'm not trying to be insulting. In my college town, it is only the girls' houses that pay to have more than one computer connected.

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    6. Re:...internet access is highest among females 35- by GAVollink · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh my - absolutely true. I hadn't thought of that... but my wife was the one who signed up for Cable, and my internet access is a rider on that. So my wife runs the 5 internet connected machines in my household (and logs on to check Email once a week or so).

    7. Re:...internet access is highest among females 35- by boaworm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hehe.. Well statistics suck!

      For instance, one of the swedish insurance companies made a large study on car insurances and accidents. They came up with the conclusion that there was a huge peak in accidens with women aged 45-55, even higher than men 18-24 etc.

      Of course this does not mean that women suddenly starts to drive like lunatics, just that by that age, most have kids.. boys... aged 18-24 :-)

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    8. Re:...internet access is highest among females 35- by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 4, Funny

      I actually go to the trouble of putting in funky information to throw off thier aggregate numbers. I like a 99 year old female with a grade school education and a 100k+/year salary. When they ask country of residence, the top two options are usually US then Afghanistan. It's just asking for Afghanistan.

      -B

  8. This isn't nice but... by Parsa · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's probably single woman trying to find a single man...

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  9. Hope! by activesynapsis · · Score: 3, Funny
    Interestingly, among age/gender groups, internet access is highest among females 35-54

    There's hope for the male geeks yet! (Assuming you don't still live in your parents' basement. You don't, do you?)

  10. useless report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I ceased to take this seriously as soon as I realized that whoever wrote this POS didn't seem to understand that "internet" != "web".

  11. If 75% of homes have access by spidergoat2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why am I still getting these freakin AOL disks?

  12. I'm not a statistic (unfortunately) by ziondreams · · Score: 4, Interesting


    I've recently dropped my phone line at home therefore dropping my home Internet access as well. Our household has 2 cell phones, I get plenty of Internet at work/college, and I can't quite afford broadband. I wonder how many others are in similar situations?

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  13. 2cd tech bubble coming? by DR+SoB · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So it's 25% from the "great tech bubble", I wonder if that means that now would be a good time to start buying YHOO shares again? Although the tech bubble burst, it could almost be considered underrated, the issue was all the money thrown into the internet at one time caused the over-value, now it may be near corrected or even undervalued, so as the internet grows, so will tech stock.

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  14. And yet... by ParadoxicalPostulate · · Score: 3, Interesting

    3 out of 4 people will not be able to tell you what bandwidth is.

    I'm wondering about this "easy to use" business. It's true that it will get us more users in the short run...but if the system was such that you would be forced to acquire at least some understanding of what you were doing, eventually you would get similar number of users, only they would be a little bit more aware of what is going on.

    It astonishes me that people don't care to learn about something they use every day, for perhaps hours on end.

    1. Re:And yet... by glpierce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      " 3 out of 4 people will not be able to tell you what bandwidth is."

      3 out of 4 people will not be able to tell you what frequency their phone uses.

      3 out of 4 people will not be able to tell you what DVD region they are in.

      3 out of 4 people will not be able to tell you what the RIAA is...or the MPAA...or the FCC...

      ...I think you get my drift.

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    2. Re:And yet... by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 5, Insightful


      What about driving? I put about 15,000 miles per year on my car, but I have no idea how an automatic transmission works. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

      Because of this, I try not to get too riled up when I talk to people who get pop-ups and viruses, or don't know their CPU/System specs, or want to buy a P4 3.2GHz to play games with, but still use the onboard video. I wouldn't want my mechanic to constantly belittle me because I don't know how to adjust my own timing belt or the optimum gap on my spark plugs.

      We can't all be experts at *everything.* There's just too much technology we interact with on a daily basis. That's why it *is* the manufacturer's responsibility to produce "easy to use" systems. Otherwise, we'd all be sitting around 24-hours a day, reading the owner's manuals to our new DVD player's remote.

    3. Re:And yet... by SecGreen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> It astonishes me that people don't care to learn about something they use every day, for perhaps hours on end.

      Quick, answer these questions:

      How many tumblers are in the lock on your house/apartment door. How about in your car door? Your ignition?

      What voltage is on your home phone line? What's the ring voltage? What's the max ring current?

      What frequency is your favorite TV channel transmitted on? What is the bandwidth? Modulation scheme? How about the encoding for the IR your remote control sends to your TV to turn it on?

      If we required users of all these devices to understand them the way us "geeks" understand computers, no-one would use cars or telephones, watch TV, or lock their doors.

      People who understand things like computers often have a mistaken perception that understanding them is easy, and that everyone should. It's generally a position taken by people who want to belittle others (the "lusers") and make themselves feel better.

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    4. Re:And yet... by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know, I choose to view people who get viruses and pop-ups as equivalent to people who can't figure out how to check their oil and refill their washer fluid.

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    5. Re:And yet... by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 2, Insightful


      >We can't all be experts at *everything.*

      I'm sorry, but not knowing what bandwidth is is like a driver not knowing what his speedometer measures. And heck, most people figure out how to set the time on their microwave or alarm clock.

      Why should it be any different with computers?

      Sure, we can't all be experts, but can we all not be drooling idiots at least?

    6. Re:And yet... by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And yet, half the "geeks" out there can't tell me how CMOS works.

      They can write Perl and PHP, but ask them what a transistor is and their faces go blank.

      Then you ask the EE who designs low-level CMOS VLSI designs how the electrons move inside the transistors, and he probably gives a decent explanation, but if you ask him why, blank look.

      So you go talk to the physicist. Who can probably explain why the electrons move around the way they do.

      But I bet he can't write perl scripts.

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    7. Re:And yet... by Brad+Mace · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The difference is that you can use any of those things just as well without know how they work.

      People who *don't* understand computers also seem to have some misconceptions about their simplicity. They treat computers like a fancy TV, ignorant of the complexity and the risks. Not surprisingly, these people do nothing to maintain or protect their computer.

    8. Re:And yet... by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Does not knowing the voltage on my home phone line allow telemarketers to use my line to make more calls to other people?

      Does not knowing the frequency and bandwidth of my favorite TV channel mean that script kiddies can use my TV to knock TV stations off the air?

      Noone cares if you don't know these things because your lack of knowledge does not negatively affect other people.

      But when someone gets their brand new Dell on the internet and doesn't know not to hit 'no' when IE asks them if they want to install that cute plugin, or doesn't know not to open that cool new screensaver some nice person in argentina just sent them, or not to buy that discount v1aGr4 they just received a SPECIAL OFFER for means that everyone else has that much more spam in their inboxes every day, and that much more bandwidth is abused by script kiddies DDOSing each other...

      It is the same situation for driving cars. It is illegal to drive a car on public roads if you are completely ignorant about how a car works because your ignorance can clearly cause harm to other people. You don't have to know how an automatic transmission works, but you do need to know which pedal slows you down and which speeds you up.

      It would be fine if these people could be brought onto the internet in such a way that their lack of knowledge cannot bring any harm to other people's systems.

    9. Re:And yet... by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Big Differences:
      -Your car can do ONE thing plus some comforts, your computer can do many many things. Therefore it behooves a user to learn how to apply the computer to many different tasks. The car.. you just drive it.

      -People don't expect to be able to call somebody on the phone and get walked through an oil filter change - a simple thing. But they do expect a help desk to be able to "just fix" their computer over the phone, automagically. Their ignorance causes their frustration as much as anything.. so that ignorance should be the first thing to fix.

      -You can't pull your computer into jiffy lube and have all the routine maintenance done for you while you read People Magazine. Therefore you need to learn how to do it yourself, or pay for a service that comes to you, like lawn care. Those are the 2 choices. Ignoring routine maintainence through ignorance is in no way excusable. Your worm ridden machine effects everybody! Same as an unsafe car.

      -If you're so ignorant you don't know the difference between the steering wheel and the other 4 wheels, you can't get a car, but if you think your monitor is your computer and your computer is your pentium hard drive you can still get a computer, yet you have no business owning one. I can forsee a day when people have to pass a netizens test just like a drivers test. Ignorance is EXPENSIVE. And there's no damn excuse for that level of ignorance.

      AFAIK, only in the USA is it cool to boast ignorance. I.e. - "Antivirus stuff, firewalls, I don't have time for that techie crap, can't you just make it work?" -- that's acceptable to most, but "Oil change, radiator fluid? Tread wear on my tires, I don't have time for that mechanic crap? Just fix it" Everybody knows THAT's unacceptable. WTF???
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  15. no big surprise by bl8n8r · · Score: 3, Funny

    ever been to shoes.com?

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  16. Hopes in other corners of the world by cda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since I'm from Romania here we see this like:

    go to US plug your cable in the wall and the broadbad flows.

    Now this is something I envy you for. Low rate decent speed access. Since here a 64/128 kbit goes around $100-$150 and the minimum wage is around $75 monthly ... you do the math.

    But at least we cand get some online clients from US. The more ... the best

  17. Re:TWO WORDS! by corbettw · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmm, posting about wanting online soap operas, on Slashdot. You're being ironic, aren't you?

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  18. Inevitable by Mr.+Certainly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can we not be "connected"? Its become narly manditory (if not already so) for secondary schools to teach internet skills. It's only a natural thing to have the students ask their parents for an internet connection: "We need to do our projects" is often the case. Granted, teens do use it for many other things, but that's not the point. How many state websites have money saving online forms for Car Registration, etc? If you do it via hardcopy, you often have to pay X number of dollars to process it. But it's less online more than not. Want more information about a product or service? Check out the company's website! Want to play the latest game or get a new pc part? You better have the internet, since the company may not have bothered to send the correct drivers with the product, check their online driver download section! You might be lucky if they have an option for you to buy the update CD and pay for shipping for a 6-8 week later delivery. It's becoming more and more difficult to use the "I don't have internet" excuse. It's not a merely sending email and for up and coming companies to use the web. It's invaded our everyday lives. For better or worse, we need to conform or perish.

  19. As if teens didn't have enough to worry about... by MooseByte · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Interestingly, among age/gender groups, internet access is highest among females 35-54."

    And you thought mom was busy balancing the checkbook online....

    Now all you teenagers now get to face the fact that 'HotChick69' you've been eagerly getting busy with in the chat rooms may in fact be just down the hall.

    The horror... the horror...

  20. Issues by torinth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    #1) This is a press release. It is in the interest of the Nielsen group to exaggerate these figures. The more people who they show as on the internet, the more advertisers who will buy their data.

    #2) The data was collected using random-digit dialing. Obviously, the people who don't have phones are more likely to not have internet access too. I wouldn't discount this factor.

    #3) It's very vague what question they actually asked people. Does it include "is there a library within 50 miles of you that has internet access?" Given their natural bias towards inflating the numbers, you can't discount them incorporating those results into their totals.

    It's great if more people are online, but these figures and percentages need to be taken with a grain of salt.

    1. Re:Issues by Nakito · · Score: 4, Informative

      #2) The data was collected using random-digit dialing. Obviously, the people who don't have phones are more likely to not have internet access too. I wouldn't discount this factor.

      Good point, but it's already accounted for in the survey. If you look at the definition of the base "population" (i.e., the denominator in the ratio), Nielsen defines it as "Total persons in the U.S. aged 2 and above, living in households equipped with a landline phone." So they are saying, in effect, that three-quarters of telephone-equipped households have online access.

      Also remember that the national Do Not Call registry has an exception for telephone surveys, so Nielsen can still call just about anybody to conduct these surveys. The more interesting question is whether the very small subset of people who actually agree to participate are typical of the population as a whole.

    2. Re:Issues by Cthefuture · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The more interesting question is whether the very small subset of people who actually agree to participate are typical of the population as a whole.

      From personal experience I'd say no. I'm willing to bet it's 35-54 year old females.

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  21. More statistical bull by Mycroft_514 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Their method of counting internet access is flawed. Their method would count me four times, and my wife three.

    And then you count my mother-in-law and while she has "access", she has never been online. Her access is just to get e-mail.

    So there you have it. 6 accounts out of 8 counted that are not valid. How many more of them are not valid as well?

    1. Re:More statistical bull by zx75 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just an aside to your statement (which is indeed valid), your grandmother is in fact 'connected' even though you do not regard her as such. Email does require internet access, and though she may not 'surf the web' she is indeed connected to it. Limited usage is still validly classified as usage.

      For example, if I own a radio, but only turn it on to check the weather for 30 seconds each morning, I would still be classified as someone who 'listens to the radio' though the time spent is negligable (sp?).

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    2. Re:More statistical bull by hng_rval · · Score: 2, Informative

      Clearly, you did not RTFA.

      They call people and ask them if they have internet access. They would only call you once, hence you would only be counted once.

      True, these statistics do not count how long someone is online. If your mother-in-law checks her email and is online for 5 minutes a day to do so, she is counted the same as someone who is on for 8 hours a day surfing the web. However, your mother-in-law still has internet access at home, so I believe it is valid that she is counted.

      These statistics are VERY accurate. They really tell us that 75% of the people with phones have Internet access. There are some people who can't afford phones who probably don't have Internet access, and there are people like me who don't have a home phone but do have Internet access that wouldn't be included in the survey (assuming they don't call cell phones).

      However, these numbers probably cancel each other out to the point of being a statistical nusiance. 75% is most likely very accurate.

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    3. Re:More statistical bull by rixstep · · Score: 2, Insightful

      she has never been online. Her access is just to get e-mail

      Uh - hello? Flawed: what's the all-time killer app?

      Otherwise I agree. 'There's lies, goddamned lies, and statistics', said your author Mr Clemens I believe.

  22. Your Mom Jokes? by Sylink · · Score: 4, Funny

    Your mom is so fat she takes up the largest age/gender group of internet users in the United States!

  23. Quite a Jump by jbrader · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps the real story isn't that the percentage of Americans online at home has grown about 25% in the last 4 years. I think the fact that we've gone from almost nobody being online in the early nineties to having 3/4 of the population on the net in only a decade is the really impressive figure.

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    1. Re:Quite a Jump by spun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm, it is a big thing. I googled 'history of the telephone' and read a bit from some sites. Bell invented the telephone in 1875 and patented it in early 1876. Telephone usage didn't begin to get big until the late 1890s, and by 1910, there were over a million telephone users hooked into the Bell system. Bell had a clear cut patent, but he had to spend a lot of time and resources defending it in court. The Internet was developed by the US Defense Agency, then built up by Acedemia, then adopted by Business and developed in a very competetive, free market style. I have absolutely no idea the point I am trying to make.

      Oh, yeah. These things always go in S curves. Curve starts out flat, as initial research is done and infrastructure is built up. Curve starts to vear up as early adopters jump on board. Once everyone knows it's a good thing, the curve goes nearly verticle for a while, then it tapers off once it hits 80-90 percent adoption. So don't forget all the initial ARPANET stuff in your timeline, which started in 1969. And it means the Internet has almost reached maturity here in America. Anyone have usage numbers for other countries?

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  24. Re:The internet is so common now by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good idea. What button on AOL connects me to that then?

  25. Hello desktop toys by Colonel+Angus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From what I've seen through my work, it's exactly that 35-54 group that are keeping me in business. I have seen more junk running on these older ladies computers than I even knew was out there. A cat the falls down the screen, walks out a little cat door has been the highest offender. But other things such as "cute" screensavers (likely spyware), comet cursor's "cute" pointers and the like are just as popular.

  26. Isn't it funny? Stats from my bum by saskboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's strange that only 70% of homes in the USA have an Internet capable computer, yet 75% of homes have the Internet?

    Maybe WebTV is an explanation, but it could be something more sinister. Perhaps these figures are wrong?

    I'd bet the figures are wrong, as I've just made up the "70%" stat. Sorry if I had alarmed you there for a moment...

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  27. EverQuest by WyerByter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wasn't there a story here a couple weeks ago, that stated the largest group playing MMORPG was that same group.

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  28. Bad analogies. by metalhed77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a fundamental difference between computers and these things. Computers are interacted with on a low level. I've used locks my whole life and will never have to open one up. A computer is so complex that even the simplest tasks can cause problems. For instance, few people have a decent grasp of the directory structure. Yes, the simple directory structure. This is a constant problem when they want to open a file with something other than the program that saved it and that program has a different default open folder.

    Your examples would make sense if say, the ring voltage on your phone had to be randomly calibrated to fluctuating levels manually (silly isn't it?), but it doesn't. The problem isn't with users , but with computers themselves. Computers NEED to be learned or need to be simpler.

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  29. Those analogies arent very good by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Better analogies:

    How many digits are in a phone number?
    How much gas does your tank hold?
    What's your car's top speed?
    How many minutes are on your cell phones calling plan?
    How much milk comes in a typical jug?

  30. terrible, terrible analogies by boarder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does your lack of knowledge about the number of tumblers in your door lock make it easier for a thief to crack? No. Will I ever, EVER need to know how many tumblers or even that there are tumblers in order for me to use a lock? No. The exact same questions can be asked about your other stupid analogies.

    In the past couple weeks I've had to act as phone support for friends trying to configure their IP address to use their network. To even USE a computer for what it is designed you need training. I can't tell you how many times my friends who use computers everyday have tried to email me an mp3 and have only sent their winamp playlists... or told me all of their files were deleted when Word or Excel couldn't find a file that was in the recent docs list.

    These are basic tasks that can't be performed without knowledge of how the computer works. BASIC tasks. Do you need a manual to use your phone, TV, or remote? No. Do you need a manual to program phone numbers in memory, add new devices to a remote, hook up 20 cables for a home theatre system? Yes (for non-geeks). Advanced tasks are the only times when you need training. Basic tasks for a computer require training. If you don't know the modulation scheme for your TV or the ring voltage of your phone, can a hacker come in and destroy it? No. Just using a computer opens it up for malicious activity.

    Even worse is the analogy people use with car engines. Sure, I don't know what the tension is supposed to be on my old cable clutch, or how much pressure is in the hydraulic clutch... but does that hinder my ability to use it how it was designed? No. Can you just put a 12 year old in the driver seat and expect that kid to a) know how to operate the vehicle, and b) not kill people when they do? No. You have to be trained to use a car for its basic function to be usable. Same with a computer. Its basic function is complex and requires knowledge to use correctly and responsibly.

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  31. Why female is more? by sunheshan2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember that many prior surveys said men use Internet than women do. Women are more "computer anxious" than men. But this survey has a different results. Why?

  32. It's all about eBay by realmolo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work for a cable ISP in a town populated with mostly older people (retirement age and up). And I swear, they ALL buy/sell stuff on eBay. They all bought digital cameras to take pictures of the stuff they are selling on eBay. They all upgraded from dial-up so they could bid faster on eBay. In fact, retired people dig eBay so much, I'd bet that many of them would trade their Social Security and Medicare for high buyer/seller ratings. We could cut the federal deficit by billions! So, that's my platform. Vote realmolo in 2004. Contributions accepted via PayPal.

  33. That's because the girls are running servers... by pr0ntab · · Score: 4, Funny

    and not just browsing for pr0n.

    it's called PARTICIPATION man. There's only so much portforwarding you can do.

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  34. They say statistics are like bikinis: by Kiyooka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What they reveal are suggestive.

    What they hide are critical.

  35. Doubtful by gtrubetskoy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I find these numbers a bit hard to believe. I'd much rather see how many people have personal e-mail accounts than "access to the internet". If I regularly visit the library or the mall and have once or twice browsed the web on one of those public kiosks - does this mean I have access to the Internet? I think according them it's a yes.

    There are 4 people living in my house. I definitely have access to the internet, my wife doesn't care about computers and my kids are too young to understand it. So in our house it is 1 out of 4 people, and I know people who do not have any kind of Internet access in their home because they don't even own a computer.

    So I'm a bit skeptical about these numbers. I'm guessing there is probably about 200 million actually capable of using the internet in this country (of the whole population, some are too young, some too old, some are unable for other reasons - ill (mentally or otherwise), in jail, etc.).

  36. Females 35-54 by z00z · · Score: 2, Funny
    Interestingly, among age/gender groups, internet access is highest among females 35-54.

    This should be expected since this is precisely the age group that is willing to go out with the average 20-year old slashdot geek.