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AMD Papers Over Free Wi-Fi Network Builders
Glenn Fleishman writes "It's been widely reported in the last week that AMD, Intel's processor competitor, was launching a free hotspot network. It's come out, in reporting we just posted at Wi-Fi Networking News, that AMD has built this network by calling existing free hotspots and asking if they'd put stickers in their window. This might be fine: stickers and the label "AMD HotSpot" in exchange for promotion. However, in Austin several local wireless activists say that AMD has put their hotspot decals up in stores without the stores' permission, including at locations operated and supported by Austin Wireless City and Austin Unleashed. Guerrilla marketing gone overzealous? Or an attempt to seize the credit without paying for it?"
'Hot' Hotspots?
Swiping free advertising? Doesn't seem like something a major company would do, especially considering this must cost AMD peanuts ....
Or does someone have the stickers? If you don't see them go up, you have no idea who actually is responsible.
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That just sucks.
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>It is a scam; the AMD guy has been going by my Hotspots and "dropping
>off" or just sticking the stickers up. It really pisses me off. AFAIK
>they have no hotspots of their own, they are just stealing others
>thunder. If the person dropping off these stickers monitors this list,
>I highly recommend you stop. If I catch you, I will sue you. I like
>AMD, and I hope this is not a corporate policy, just a misguided
>marketer.
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>From: Chris Tom [mailto:christomscrewyouspambots@screwyouspambots
>Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:25 AM
>To: austinwirelessscrewyouspambots@spamlists.marlabs.
>Subject: [AWN] Free AMD WiFi?
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>Hey guys,
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>I ate at the Far West El Arroyo last night, and they now have AMD
>branded WiFi. I've not heard of such a program from AMD before, and I
>know that location has had WiFi in the past. Has anyone else seen
>these around? There were a couple of official AMD signs posted up. I
>was at the 5th Street location last week and I didn't see any
>indication of AMD being involved with their connection.
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>Thanks,
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>Chris Tom
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This kind of reminds me of the Microsoft butterfly campaign in NYC. How much do you wanna bet this was the clueful idea of some champ in marketing? When will they learn?
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
...sticking it to the competition.
Better than seeing Intel(r) Inside on every business.
Guerilla marketing and stickers?
It's better with the butterfly.
If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
AMD and Intel are both trying to claim credit for other people's hotspots? Sounds like a good deal for either of them...nice work if you can get it.
One of the biggest problems with "guerrilla marketing" organizations is that they're basically made up of college students working in sitations where it's hard to veryify what they actually did. I remember in 1999 walking accross the Syracuse University campus seeing several .com's URLs written on the sidewalks on the Quad. That's a no-no according to the University rules, but the .com's blamed students who had been told to put the chalk writing in high-traffic public sidewalk locations, not on private property. Students were just too dense to understand that the Quad belongs to the University, not the government, but the company wasn't helping them any by pointing that out.
"Guerrilla marketing gone overzealous? Or an attempt to seize the credit without paying for it?"
Must these be mutually exclusive?
If you let just anyone in and put up decals, where does the blame lie?
"We'd like you to display our logo."
"Um, no."
"Ok, we'll just put them in that window over there."
"Um, ok."
Shift happens. Fire it up.
I get really tired of trying to find a hotspot on one of several hotspot maps only to find them all cluttered with Starbucks (TWELVE within one mile of my office) and McDonalds.
The only free hotspot I know of in the area is a coffee shop on Bush & Kearny, and I patronize the shop over others because of the free 802.11 access.
It's nice to have, and it does bring in the business.
No kidding. What I really don't understand about vegetarians and vegans is this: If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them 1. out of meat and 2. absolutely delicious.
Warchalking already exists... AMD's just a bit late attaching their logo to it.
More opportunities for me to download copyrighted music with impunity!!
If you want quality, reputable marketing, you don't ask people to do it for free. You need paid, trained professionals who respect the law and who know good advertising etiquette (such that it is).
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If you actually read slashdot you would realize that in fact it is Intel's CPUs that almost cause things to catch fire.
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used the same cooler on both processors, a unit certified by Intel for use with Prescott. I tried to keep room temperatures reasonably steady during my tests, but this wasn't exactly an ideal temperature-controlled test environment, so don't take the following as gospel.
Under load, the Northwood P4 3.4GHz hit temperatures of 64 degrees C (148 degrees Fahreneheit). In the same conditions, the Prescott raced past Northwood's peak temperature on its way to a steady peak of 78 degrees C (or 173 degrees Fahrenheit).
That, folks, is hot. And this was inside a computer case lying on its side with the side panel removed so the top was open. Things could get much warmer closed up inside a poorly designed case.
I'd have loved to do some overclocking with our 3.4GHz Prescott, but after seeing those heat numbers, I believe I'll wait until I can pick up a beefier cooler to use with this thing.
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Guerrilla marketing gone overzealous? Or an attempt to seize the credit without paying for it?" ... or some bored kids with AMD stickers
Sounds like you wanted AMD to buy something from you and make new business contacts for you. That woukld be a pretty expensive and dumb move on their part. But they certainly could and should give the free hotspots something for taking part in the promotion and providing the network connection. Either share a little of the cost of the network connection, or at the very least offer new hotspots a free wireless router (which would cost them next to nothing in quanity).
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
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Whoa. I haven't seen that in any emails before. Unless I misunderstand completely, that's really dumb. Why can't that "certification" be forged? Why would you want to create a brand that would be used to brand viruses?
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
Even if they are just dealing with locals to use their wifi setups, it's better then the non-existant Intel "wireless world of centrino."
As far as I can tell, all "centrino" is is a lower speed CPU notebook with a built in 802.11 board built in.
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Does this mean that AMD is launching a 811.3200+ series protocol to compete with Intel?
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This (troll?) is analagous to the argument that anybody who doesn't keep their servers patched 100% up to date deserves to get hax0r3d. Not everybody has manpower to handle the server patching (not to mentioned downtime it creates), and not everybody can afford security guards and closed-cicruit video surveillance at their sites.
And therefore, those don't have the security guards are more likely to get robbed than those who do. Sure, the police will respond and possibly investigate, but that's cleaning up the disruption after it has happened, not before it. Usually, it's hard to get reimbursed for the money lost from the theives even if they're caught...
Isn't it better to leave the case closed, with good intake fans on the front and exhaust on the back? Forced-air convection through a case is better than open convection I believe.
Actually.... downloading music isn't really the problem. Uploading a large number of songs is.
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So you could UPLOAD copyrighted music with impunity!
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Ok gang, it's payback time! Here's how it goes down:
- get a bunch of those "AMD HotSpot" stickers (unused or by removing them from the windows of premises)
- strategically stick them on your pants right over your privates
- display them proudly like a Ralph Lauren runway model.
That will get them the kind of publicity they don't need.If God didn't want people to eat people, Why did he make them 1. out of meat and 2. absolutely delicious?
I bought an Apple Airport Extreme basestation as a gift for a cafe that opened around the corner from my house last year. They had three iMacs, but no wireless, so I thought that it might help bring in some laptop-wielding customers. Went in a month ago and saw that the cafe, full of white Apple iMacs, had been branded an AMD hotspot. heh..
this was inside a computer case lying on its side with the side panel removed so the top was open
You must be really dumb.
Guerrilla marketing gone overzealous? Or an attempt to seize the credit without paying for it?
Or just plain stupid old-style mistake?
Not everything has to be a conspiracy...
Write boring code, not shiny code!
However, you can tell fairly easily that someone put up an advertisement that you didn't authorize and take it down. takes all of 10 sec. They get no pity from me.
"In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?"
don't get me wrong, I love my local free hotspots,
but I wonder if these whiny coffeeshops are paying for a 'business grade' internet connection licenced for bandwidth sharing...
You misunderstand completely. The only reason for that tagline is to advertise the anti-virus software. It would be retarded to filter your mail on such a silly criteria, and everyone knows it. It's an advertisement, just as much as the hotmail advertisement in my sig. No different.
Why would a virus BOTHER to forge the certification? Do you see many spammers forging hotmail advertisements at the bottom of their messages when they have hotmail return addresses (but are clearly spamming through an open relay on a cable modem)? There's no point. No one cares. No one notices. No one even reads it.
Random and weird software I've written.
You're correct, and so's he. Remember he did say 'inside a poorly designed case' which, sadly, is a correct description of about 90% of them.
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This is an example of a newer 802.11b card that uses the AMD AM1772 chipset.
AMD makes a lot of differnet types of semiconductors. Not as diverse as Ti, but they're not trying to compete with Intel across all markets or anything.
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i dont think so....my computer runs cooler with the sides off
so does my bothers
I think an AMD rep walked into a store, and asked the guy at the counter if he could put a sticker up. The guy said yes. But the guy was just an employee, and the owner knew nothing about it.
Later, the owner found the sticker, got mad, and complained without first asking his employees if they'd permitted the decal's application. Or, alternatively, the employee responsible decided not to fess up in order to better his chances at continued employment.
In any case, I can't imagine an AMD guy walking into a store, slapping a sticker in the window, and leaving without clearing it first. A Microsoft guy would, certainly, but not an AMD guy.
You can run but you can't hide, except, apparently, along the Afghan-Pakistani border.
It made my day that someone who is serious about reporting:
1) Checked their sources.
2) Checked again!
3) Checked against other sources.
4) Checked again!
Hence the difference betwen reporting and posting. Maybe Slashdot Editors would be better with a title of "Poster," "Leaker" or "Blogger."
Journalism adage: The first story off the wire is never correct.
Did the Intel Centrino marketing push put any $$ into these spots?
In short, can I talk my local coffee shop into making their WiFi free with either of these ploys?
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Ha! You're both wrong! There is no God!!!
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I used to get high on life, but I developed a tolerance. Now I need something stronger.
Truth is AMD has no wireless products now of any kind after discontinuing the AM79C930 chip some time ago. They will brand your HotSpot and pay you nothing for the advertizing. This is a latent PR response to ride the WiFi boom on top of other company's real efforts today. Here are the unofficial stickers you don't need to see:
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http://webserver0001.midasnetworks.com/awn/Grl.
Heh.... That reminds me of something. Years ago, I worked at a small computer store that received a bunch of free Intel marketing material. We were all given "Intel Inside" tie-tacks and rectangular buttons that said "Intel Inside - Ask me about it!"
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I never did wear them while I worked there, but I hung onto them. Later, I got a job working at a shop that refurbished older Macs - so I took out the buttons and occasionally wore them there. People would give me strange looks, and say "Intel Inside? But you're a Mac shop, right?" Then, I'd say "Why yes. But since you're asking about it, I don't recommend them at all!"
But the Intel list of WiFi spots were spots with a bit too much business model. The ones at StarBucks are on the list. You have to pay money to use them. I assume you have to install some more software too. Just what our computers need -- more junk software on the TCP/IP stack. And the pay as you go WiFi spots were not really making money. Providing the WiFi is cheap. But the overhead of collecting money and preventing freeloaders was costing more than it was worth.
It looked like AMD had a brilliant counter to this campaign. Help the independent shops set up "free" WiFi. But AMD snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Instead of helping people set up spots, they are just taking credit for existing spots.
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Wish it worked in canada...
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
There's no absolute truth in this kind of thing, it depends on SOOOO many things.
Cramped case with very little space will almost certainly be cooler when it's open, but something with plenty of room and good airflow probably is better off closed.
The key in breaking the rules is not being caught...
It doesn't even matter if you get caught, if the penalty is low enough. And "low enough" can be quite high, with a marketing budget to back it up. It's just the cost of doing business.
It reminds me of when California raised its fine for littering when they noticed that it was almost as cheap to pay the fine as to pay a city dump fee, and that was before applying the expected value of actually getting caught. In practice, it was much cheaper to litter, and more convenient even if you were caught every time.
There's a diffrence between sticking up a random flier on a wall, and taking credit for someone's free gift.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Before I start, I don't mean to start some flamebait here. To me I just get the impression that AMD are desperately trying to play catch-up with Intel's Centrino campaign, and on the cheap. (Then again, despite an official list of 'certified' hotspots on their website, Intel aren't promoting it much.) And, alas, doing it wrong.
Again, please tell me if I've read this wrong.
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We were afraid he's get into a fight with one. :)
If you want to lower the value of the WiFi brand, put the stickers in dead zones. People will lose trust in AMD HotSpots if they tend to contain no WiFi.
Why would a virus BOTHER to forge the certification?
To smear the anti-virus product's name. Seems like the smear might be more effective if they're going around acting like their signature increases the security of outbound emails.
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