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Fifty Years of Color Television

peter303 writes "The Houston Chronicle notes that color TVs were first manufactured on March 25, 1954 at a price of $1000 (about $4000 in today's dollars). Some of the older folk here remember the excitement of your first neighbors acquiring one of these in the 1960s and as the TV series one-by-one switched to color. Ironically, for such a high tech nation, there hasn't been a major quality improvement in TV broadcast images for a half-century until the 2006 changeover to HDTV."

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  1. Yes, but... by smsp · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yea, but when will slashdot get some new colours too?

    1. Re:Yes, but... by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here are some departments with different colors. Not new colors but still different is good, I think.

    2. Re:Yes, but... by boarder8925 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      that's "colors" you insensive clod!
      Not all Slashdotters are American, insensitive clod!
  2. "Fifty Years of Color Television!!" by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and there's STILL nothing on!

    1. Re:"Fifty Years of Color Television!!" by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yah, but at least now you get to pay for it.

    2. Re:"Fifty Years of Color Television!!" by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2, Funny

      You wouldn't be saying that, if they didn't cancel Knight Rider.

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    3. Re:"Fifty Years of Color Television!!" by BiggyP · · Score: 3, Interesting

      so,if we never got colour television would that have prevented the late 90's slew of home design/decoration/demolition programs, the inventors have a lot to answer for! ;)

    4. Re:"Fifty Years of Color Television!!" by Golias · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or as I like to call those shows, "furniture porn."

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  3. 1669 hours... a perspective by amyhughes · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Adults are projected to watch, on average, 1,669 hours of television in 2004, about 70 days worth, according to census figures.

    1669 hours... a perspective:

    If you are awake 16 hours per day 1669 hours is 104 days, not "just" 70. Apparently, on average, adults watch TV 29% of their waking hours. If you work/commute 45 hours per week, your "free time" is, if you do nothing else, about 9 1/2 hours per day, of which, on average, you watch TV 4 1/2 hours.

    So the average adult uses more than half of their available time watching TV.

    Pretty sad.

    Amy

    1. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by TimSee · · Score: 4, Informative

      According the US Labor Dept Inflation Calculator, a $1000 TV in 1954 would cost about $6900 in 2004 dollars - about the price of a nice High-Def Plasma...interesting.

    2. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by NotAnotherReboot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I concur, reading /. is much more productive.

    3. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by RainbowSix · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's ok though. amyhughes says we spend over half of our free time watching TV, but I troll Slashdot from work :)

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    4. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by nucal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Easy to over generalize using a single number. I'd love to know what the standard deviation on the calculation of average numbers of TV watched/year is. I'd be willing to bet that it might even be a bimodal distribution with two major populations at ~8 h/day and ~1-2 h/day.

      Also, how do weekends get factored in? Is the TV on in the background while you're doing something else? What about special events? During football season, I'm glued all day on Sunday/Monday night, but otherwise, my TV watching is on the order of 1-2 h/day.

    5. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by Jens_UK · · Score: 5, Insightful
      And years ago, the average American spent X amount of time listening to the radio, and before that, books. Years from now, it will be the internet, and then after that people will waste time on the holodeck.

      So your problem is with people, and not tv, right?

    6. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by micromoog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No they don't. NO ONE GIVES a SHIT.

    7. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by Phekko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You might as well ask why it is that every time there's an article about NASA doing this or ESA doing that, we get the same people complaining that those funds could be used to something much more beneficial. Or maybe you could even ask why just about every new post gets an immediate GNAA-response or three.

      Incidentally, the TV has a very positive feature that Slashdot, too, has. If you don't like what you see, you can just not see it anymore with one click of a button. Pretty neat, huh?

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    8. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Redundant

      The Onion, Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own a Television had a great article that captures how annoying preachy people like you are. Enjoy!

      CHAPEL HILL, NC--Area resident Jonathan Green does not own a television, a fact he repeatedly points out to friends, family, and coworkers--as well as to his mailman, neighborhood convenience-store clerks, and the man who cleans the hallways in his apartment building.

      "I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than watch television," Green told a random woman Monday at the Suds 'N' Duds Laundromat, noticing the establishment's wall-mounted TV. "I don't even own one."

      According to Melinda Elkins, a coworker of Green's at The Frame Job, a Chapel Hill picture-frame shop, Green steers the conversation toward television whenever possible, just so he can mention not owning one.

      "A few days ago, [store manager] Annette [Haig] was saying her new contacts were bothering her," Elkins said. "The second she said that, I knew Jonathan would pounce. He was like, 'I didn't know you had contacts, Annette. Are your eyes bad? That a shame. I'm really lucky to have almost perfect vision. I'm guessing it's because I don't watch TV. In fact, I don't even own one."

      According to Elkins, "idiot box" is Green's favorite derogatory term for television.

      "He uses that one a lot," she said. "But he's got other ones, too, like 'boob tube' and 'electronic babysitter.'"

      Elkins said Green always makes sure to read the copies of Entertainment Weekly and People lying around the shop's break room, "just so he can point out all the stars and shows he's never heard of."

      "Last week, in one of the magazines, there was a picture of Calista Flockhart," Elkins said, "and Jonathan announced, 'I have absolutely no idea who this woman is. Calista who? Am I supposed to have heard of her? I'm sorry, but I haven't.'"

      Tony Gerela, who lives in the apartment directly below Green's and occasionally chats with the 37-year-old by the mailboxes, is well aware of his neighbor's disdain for television.

      "About a week after I met him, we were talking, and I made some kind of Simpsons reference," Gerela said. "He asked me what I was talking about, and when I told him it was from a TV show, he just went off, saying how the last show he watched was some episode of Cheers, and even then, he could only watch for about two minutes before having to shut it off because it insulted his intelligence so terribly."

      Added Gerela: "Once, I made the mistake of saying I saw something on the news, and he started in with, 'Saw the news? I don't know about you, but I read the news."

      Green has lived without television since 1989, when his then-girlfriend moved out and took her set with her.

      "When Claudia went, the TV went with her," Green said. "But instead of just going out and buying another one--which I certainly could have afforded, that wasn't the issue--I decided to stand up to the glass teat."

      "I'm not an elitist," Green said. "It's just that I'd much rather sculpt or write in my journal or read Proust than sit there passively staring at some phosphorescent screen."

      "If I need a fix of passive audio-visual stimulation, I'll go to catch a Bergman or Truffaut film down at the university," Green said. "I certainly wouldn't waste my time watching the so-called Learning Channel or, God forbid, any of the mind sewage the major networks pump out."

      Continued Green: "People don't realize just how much time their TV-watching habit--or, shall I say, addiction--eats up. Four hours of television a day, over the course of a month, adds up to 120 hours. That's five entire days! Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of watching fictional people live theirs? I can't begin to tell you how happy I am not to own a television."

    9. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually the solution to too much Tv is a MythTV or for the incapable the Tivo or tivo types.

      Tv watching in my home has dropped by at least 90% cince we got the mythtv server and playback units running. My daughter watches her 2 shows within the timespan of one show and spends more time playing outside or with the dog, whatever.. Myself and the wife are spending more time together, the house is cleaner, we eat better as the evening entertainment is cooking, talking and other tasks.. we spend 1 hour to watch 3 TV shows we usually WANT to catch at the end of the night. skipping all the commercials and the boring parts makes it cool. the rare times we dont watch mythtv and watch live tv we all get annoyed as we cant skip commercials or pause.

      you can have your TV and a real life too.

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    10. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by rhadamanthus · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Goddam dude, the aprent did not say:


      1) Anything about Americans

      2) Anything about not owning a TV

      3) Anything about being superior


      That was not a troll comment, it was a sad commentary on just how much TV people watch. I think you might be a troll however...

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    11. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Books aren't a waste of time. Well, unless they're vitriolic political commentaries about the evils of the left or the evils of the right.

      TV doesn't encourage you to think, it's just sitting there in front of you, a lot of it full of mind-numbing reality TV garbage. Now if PBS was winning the ratings war, I wouldn't be worried.

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    12. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by cdipierr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right, because by the time you acquire all the parts, assemble them, download the 18 different driver versions, compile the right kernel with the right support and get it all working and have a functioning MythTV, TV will be long dead.

      Yes, this is meant as sarcastic humor. I own a TiVo, but was interested in putting together a MythTV. However, like many great ideas, the MythTV is poorly implemented from an assembly instruction. What I wanted was documentation saying "buy these components (and optionally these others)", "download this software" and "it works". What I found instead was a discussion of what hardware might happen to work with a particular driver version under a particular kernel. Ugh.

    13. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by Golias · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That was not a troll comment, it was a sad commentary on just how much TV people watch.

      Or, it was a happy comment on how much free time people have.

      People who read a lot of novels probably spend at least as much time with their noses in books as I spend staring at the screen, but while they take days to get through Anne of Green Gables I can get the whole story from PBS in a single evening, and move on to another whole story before going to sleep!

      This is purely anecdotal, but the people I know who like to watch TV are generally much more cheerful and happy than the people I know who shun it, who are generaly sour-pussed wet blankets. Therefore, one can derive that TV enhances the quality of life, unless you are the sort of person who likes being miserable.

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    14. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by rtos · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yeah, like the others, I had MythTV up and running in a weekend. I ended up buying some new hardware from NewEgg but mostly used stuff I had sitting around. I'm using one machine to do all the recording and playback... works fine for me.

      My wife and I use it every day, but I haven't had to do ANY sort of admin work or changes since I got it up and running. It's really easy to use.

      Also, ditto on the parent post. We watch many more programs now, but in A LOT less time. It's great.

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    15. Re:1669 hours... a perspective by realdpk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree. Just as there are bad television programs, there are also bad books. _Lots_ of bad books. Most books are indeed a waste of time. I'm sure you can name a list that aren't, but that list would only encompass a small fraction of the number of books out there.

      The thing about the anti-TV elitists that I've noticed is that, unless you read the same list of books as they do, you are a "lesser" man. "Oh you haven't read ?" as they look down on you.

  4. improvements by wmeyer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, there have been numerous quality improvements, though they have come in the receivers, rather than in the NTSC standard. The standard itself is rather elegant, and apart from the error that resulted in shifting to a non-integer frame rate (and the problems that has created for designers of hardware for decades), it has proved very robust.

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    1. Re:improvements by wmeyer · · Score: 4, Informative

      what about the quality in video cameras

      Yes, the advent of CCD cameras has eliminated the hassles of registration that were such a headache in tubed cameras, and the availability of digital filtering has also helped to reduce artifacts in the encoded NTSC.

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    2. Re:improvements by wmeyer · · Score: 4, Informative

      What is a non-integer frame rate?

      The frame rate in monochrome television was 30fps. In NTSC, it is 29.97fps. This leads to the need for "drop-frame" timecode, and other delights.

      Drop-frame attempts to correct for the time errors by dropping two frame addresses periodically. The algorithm is that the first frame of the first second of each minute not evenly divisible by ten is identified as frame 2, not frame 0. The 18 frames per 10 minutes thus dropped reduces the cumulative error to a little more than 2 frames per 24 hours.

      There are other techniques recommended for reducing the residual further.

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    3. Re:improvements by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Actually, the problem is that the frame rate is not an exact integer multiple of the 60Hz AC power frequency, which is usually the largest source of electrical noise. It's off by a fraction of a percent; that's why you often see a distortion slowly creeping up the screen about once per minute as the frame rate beats against the power line sine wave. If the frame rate were exactly locked to the power line frequency, the distortion wouldn't move, so you wouldn't notice it.

      IIRC, the original B&W broadcast was at 60 frames/second, but there was some technical reason they had to slightly shift it in order to add the color subcarrier. Old B&W TVs were the worst with this noise distortion because they weren't designed to try to prevent it.

      (I think that color TVs only became truly usable in the 80s when they introduced decent automatic color correction. Before that, it seemed you could only watch in one of two colors: purple or green. No matter how much you fiddled with the knobs on old color TVs, it never looked quite right.)

    4. Re:improvements by Tuzanor · · Score: 4, Informative
      I wouldn't go so far as to call NTSC "elegent", though it is clever especially with regards to how it implemented colour. PAL is a much cleaner standard, as the europeans (as they often did) took what they saw as flaws in NTSC and implemented things differently. Though PAL has a lower frame rate (25 as apposed to 30), it has a higher resolution and doesn't requier a TINT or HUE control, and the colour is better. When there are problems in the signal, with PAL you will see weaker colour, but with NTSC you can see the wrong colour (ie "green faces"). SECAM (the french standard) is even better because it uses FM modulation for colour, so it eliminates both these problems, though it has its issues (you can't "mix" two SECAM signals together, which makes it a pain for some professionals).

      Check out this link to read more on it. Also this link has some interesting info.

    5. Re:improvements by wmeyer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wouldn't go so far as to call NTSC "elegent"

      Then you have probably not fully comprehended all the design features in the standard, nor allowed for the fact that all the design was accomplished in a time when calculators were mechanical monstrosities, and computer modeling simply didn't exist.

      Though PAL has a slightly higher horizontal and vertical resolution, it also embodies mathematical relations that are anathema to digital processing. Moreover, with a frame rate of only 50Hz, it evidences significant flicker on scenes with large areas of high brightness (like almost any shot of the horizon in daylight.)

      Yes, PAL has a better design in the color handling in the context of analog processing, but also has an eight field color sequence that made editing a pain, and has a 25Hz offset in the math that yields a painfully awkward non-integral relationship in digital processing. The solution in digital is to ignore that, and cheat, so once it's been handled in digital form, it's been altered from the original -- not enough to cause problems, but enough to have lost the purity the Europeans love to crow about.

      SECAM is in no way better. It is simpler to decode, but the problems that arise from the use of FM color encoding make it impossible to eliminate folded sidebands (in digital terms, think aliasing), and as you note, SECAM signals cannot be combined, so production work had to be done in RGB (another nightmare), or more commonly, in PAL.

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    6. Re:improvements by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Funny

      it is clever especially with regards to how it implemented colour

      Many people in the TV production biz say that NTSC stands for Never The Same Color

    7. Re:improvements by wmeyer · · Score: 4, Informative

      That definition was declared by the Brits, and SECAM was also defined as Something Essentially Contrary to the American Method.

      I've worked in television for over 30 years, and although there are certainly shortcomings in the NTSC standard, they are dwarfed by the failings in the delivery systems (transmitters and cable systems), so that the resolution visible in the living room has typically been about 50% of that seen in production rooms.

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    8. Re:improvements by shepd · · Score: 2, Informative

      >Yes, PAL has a better design in the color handling in the context of analog processing, but also has an eight field color sequence that made editing a pain, and has a 25Hz offset in the math that yields a painfully awkward non-integral relationship in digital processing. The solution in digital is to ignore that, and cheat, so once it's been handled in digital form, it's been altered from the original -- not enough to cause problems, but enough to have lost the purity the Europeans love to crow about.

      It's also sucky for film, too. 24 fps just doesn't go into 25 fps. That's why movies re-recorded some time ago in PAL run 4% faster than they should (I'm sure digital processing has fixed it for the latest releases).

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    9. Re:improvements by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, because changing your clock doesn't make the earth orbit the sun any faster, it'll still take about 365.25 days.

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  5. "older folk"? by Jules · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cheeky buggers.

    I remember when business desktop computers first went to color. First the IBM PC and then the Mac (technically I suppose the Apple ][ was a business machine). "Ah," I thought to myself, "this will never catch on..."

  6. Sad thing about HDTV. by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ironically, for such a high tech nation, there hasn't been a major quality improvement in TV broadcast images for a half-century until the 2006 changeover to HDTV.

    Was HDTV really even necessary? Our tax dollars were spent mandating its deployment, our money will be wasted purchasing the receivers (which are going to have to be in all TVs), and what does it do for us? Nothing.

    We worry about the effects of lack of exercise, overeating, diabetes, etc, yet we mandate better TV signals and are double paying for it.

    1. Re:Sad thing about HDTV. by Enry · · Score: 4, Funny

      Think of it this way.

      You have to work harder to pay the increased cable bill as channels have to pay to buy new equipment. Then you have to work harder still to afford the new TV to receive the signals. Then you have to get a car big enough to carry said new TV from the store to your house. Then you have to haul it around and get it in a place where your wife (or SO) approves so it follows the flow of the room. By this point, all the overtime/additional work and physical exercise has caused your heart to explode. You die, your spouse/SO gets your life insurance, your company gets to hire a younger replacement worker and pay 2/3 of what they paid you.

      Lower unemployment, more money flowing in the economy, and all the fat unhealthy people are gone! All because the FCC wanted HDTV.

      (just kidding....or am I?)

    2. Re:Sad thing about HDTV. by wmeyer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Was HDTV really even necessary?

      No, it really wasn't, and the right way to make the change would have been to allow the market to drive the conversion, rather than issue a fiat. Instead, there are innumerable new problems with license issues, and many LPTV broadcasters at risk of losing their allocations. And in the end, much of the programming, is, as ever, crap.

      500 channels, and nothing on.

      16:9, and still nothing on.

      And by the way, it will be quite a while before anyone outside the top 15 or so markets begins producing in HDTV, so you can look forward to actually enjoying the 16:9 only on network shows and DVDs.

      As to DVDs, don't expect great HDTV there until we see the blue-ray technology in our homes, as the data rates (even in MPEG2, MPEG-4, or H.264) will have to be a good deal higher to deliver on the H in HDTV.

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    3. Re:Sad thing about HDTV. by Innova · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you seen a good HDTV setup yet? I have a Infocus 5700 (not true HD) projecting on a 119" screen. Even though the projector isn't true HD resolution, HD simply looks stunning. There are several sites (1, 2) that have some wonderful HD screen captures. Take a look at them, and tell me HD is a waste...

    4. Re:Sad thing about HDTV. by bripeace · · Score: 2, Informative

      the news submission is wrong theres no change over to 'HDTV' the changeover is to DTV .. to actually using digital signals...

      was this necesarry of course.. we have the technology to make better use of existing bandwidth and use it for even better services (multicasting and hdtv to name two) .. not to mention the FCC will recover some of the bandwidth to sell for other services...

      HDTV is simply a use of DTV and not mandatory in ANYWAY so that statement was a bit misleading

    5. Re:Sad thing about HDTV. by TGK · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course not, which is why it isn't happening. The 2006 change over is to DIGITAL not HD. All HDTV signals are digital, but not all digital signals are hd.

      Example: If you get DBS Satelite (Dish Network, DirecTv) you are getting a digital signal. If you have digital cable you're getting a partialy digitial signal.

      The reason this is happening is because the FCC wants to get the Analog bands back. My understanding of this (which may be flawed, you network gurus can feel free to chime in on this) is that a digital broadcast requires less bandwidth now than the equivilient quality signal in analog. The result is that the digitial spectrum can be smaller for the same amount of content.

      This gives the FCC more bandwidth to allocate for other uses, many of which may be found in emerging markets such as wireless networking devieces, particularly in the PAN and MAN arenas.

      The receivers matter a great deal less here, because most TVs sold within the last 7 years or so allready have a digital tuner. The difference between HD and SD is huge, but if you're not a TV buff the only measureable advantage you'll have is that the bandwidth previously reserved for TV will be reallocated by the government for other purposes, some of which might benefit you.

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  7. A story... by pcmanjon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My dad recalls (born in 1952) when his neighbors got color TV and he remembers everyone on the street tried to get in the house to watch it.

    He remembers one time when it broke and the whole neighborhood pitched in to fix it...

    1. Re:A story... by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My grandpa worked as an RCA repairman for many years (I've been told stories about how every time a new computer was invented, he had to go to night school to learn how to fix it.)

      Anyway, one day he brought home a box of parts and a picture tube from RCA and built their family a color television. My father remembers how every week neighbors would come over to watch the Wonderful World of Disney because it was one of the few color programs each week.

      My childhood's claim to fame is a 386 Packard Bell and Prodigy.... sigh.

  8. Yep... by ERJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They did it right back then. Good technology (lasted 50 years), allowed the market, not the government, to push adaptation. Somehow I doubt we will still be using HDTV (at least what the current incarnation is) in 50 years.

  9. Wide-format, taking long enough! by addie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Last time I was in Britain, I made some comment to a cousin of mine about their wide-format TV and all the shows that are shown in that format. She responded "Yeah, we just go that last year, we're so far behind North America". Boy was she surprised to hear that we're still years away from that change over here!

    And of course the fact that PAL is higher resolution that NTSC, and we realize how little has changed in this past 50 years. Why exactly has it taken North America so long to change to a better format? I'd imagine the HDTV change will happen almost overnight, much like the DVD revolution, but it sure took a while for the quality of TV to step up a notch.

    Now if they could only do something about what's actually ON the tube.... or, um.. the flat panel?

    1. Re:Wide-format, taking long enough! by Zerbey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wide format is slowly coming along, about 40% of the shows I watch are broadcast in widescreen right now. My biggest beef at the moment is the number of broadcasters who slap a watermark right in the middle of the black lines thus confusing my TV so it can't stretch the image properly. Yes, I can use one of the manual presets but then it chops off the edges.

      My Phillips TV does a really good job of automatically stretching the screen when it detects widescreen.

    2. Re:Wide-format, taking long enough! by VAXcat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Old video engineers' joke... NTSC = Never Twice the Same Color PAL = Perfect At Last Anyone remember the acronym basis for SECAM?

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    3. Re:Wide-format, taking long enough! by corngrower · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Why exactly has it taken North America so long to change to a better format? I'd imagine the HDTV change will happen almost overnight, much like the DVD revolution,...

      HDTV has been available in the US for several years now. Consumers aren't purchasing the receivers because of the high costs. The cost remains high because manufacturers can't yet reach economies of scale. So in order to start the ball rolling on the changeover to HDTV, the FCC says theat in 2006 all receivers sold must be capable of receiving HDTV.

      It's kind of like that old situation with red barn paint. Interviewer (to hw store manager): Why are all the barns around here painted red?

      Manager: Because red paint is cheaper than other colors.

      Interviewer: Why is red paint cheaper?

      Manager: Because we sell so much of it.

    4. Re:Wide-format, taking long enough! by yorugua · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The 50Hz-Headache thing is very dependant on the person watching said TV set. Here, we have PAL TV over-the-air and cable (PAL-N, not to be confused with PAL-M which is similar to NTSC but with better colors, according to my tastes (uses NTSC B/W info + "PAL" coding for the color part), and also DirecTV which uses NTSC. I dont get any headaches while watching Over-the-air channels, and certainly miss the "color accuracy" of PAL while looking at DirecTV. Also, if you get headaches with 50Hz TV with PAL/SECAM systems, you can always get a 100Hz TV.

  10. Smell-o-vision?! by pixelbend · · Score: 3, Funny

    Forget HDTV, where is our Smell-o-vision?

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      Appeals mostly to Deltas and Epsilons

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  11. quality hasn't changed since ~1939. by millia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    actually, the quality hasn't changed, back even further than that. since color tv was to be able to be forwards and backwards compatible with black and white, the color signal was hacked into the black and white standard.
    this was not the case in britain, where a new, but incompatible, standard was created, that used bandwidth more effectively, and had better color.
    so hdtv is the first new standard since about 1939. it's about damn time.
    this proves, once again, that standards are a double-edged sword. use and choose carefully...

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  12. Cable TV by DeepDarkSky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know about the TV image qualities where you are, but Cable TV certainly improved image qualities. Ok, ok, this is not an improvement on image quality, but on transmission, but to the people sitting at home, it didn't make a difference. Why do I bring it up? Because Cable TV allowed for additional channels and offered image quality good enough that people are willing to pay to subscribe to it. And quite frankly, no matter how good the pictures, if you don't have good transmission/reception, it's still pretty crappy.

  13. I never complained by N8F8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I never complained about the quality. I'm pretty sure few people have. I tried digital cable for three months and thought is sucked. Interrupted movies. Pixelated scenes. Heck, did that with an antenna withought coughing up $80/month.

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  14. Make big bird yellow! by dwhittington · · Score: 3, Funny

    Black and white wasn't enough for me, I guess...

    My mom recalls me, as a toddler, telling my dad to "make Big Bird yellow".

    In more recent years, Tivo is my second most favorite enhancemenet to television.

  15. And TV still sucks! by CharAznable · · Score: 4, Funny

    I find no confort in being able to watch "My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance" in HDTV...

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  16. um.... television?? by theMerovingian · · Score: 3, Funny


    Are you referring to my Gamecube monitor?

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  17. I suppose quality is subjective then by saskboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think TV has more to do with what is ON it, not what is IN the TV electronics.

    Programming quality has greatly improved since even the 1980s, and so has the picture/colour too, in my opinion. The cameras are sharper, and don't produce as many streaks when they move in dim areas.

    The quality of the TV electronics has declined if anything. Now that they are made in Mexico, instead of places where quality was a desirable feature, I hear lots of people complaining they die within a year. Plasma TVs for instace only have a lifespan at maximum of about 7 years, compared to I suppose ~15 for CRTs. I have two working 20" colour TVs that are both at least 15 years old.

    I would rather watch a fuzzy show I like, than a sharp/crystal clear show of some tiresome comedy like Everybody Hate Raymond.

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  18. Improvements in TV broadcasting by Phantom69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But what about digital TV broadcasts, we've had these for a few years, and they've certainly made a big difference to the old analogue signal. Plus there's also audio improvements including Mono -> Nicam Stereo, and Doly Digital 5.1 broadcasts through digital satellite transmissions (using Sky+ for example). AND we also have receiver improvements, including CVBS -> S/Video -> RGB -> Component, and 100Hz TVs, widescreen TVs...

  19. Has it been that long? by objekt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes I can remember seeing color TV in the late '60s, but it wasn't until the mid '70s when my family finally replaced our old black & white TV. A lot of people held off saying they'd wait "until color is perfected." In my memory, color didn't look reliably good until the '80s.

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  20. The real improvements... by deman1985 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To say that there have been no major quality improvements in color television isn't entirely correct. The televisions themselves have implemented better and better filtering algorithms and can better lock onto signals than they used to. Color realism has gotten better with newer TV's to project more fleshy tones and more accurate color temperatures.

    Then there have been improvements in the means of broadcasting signals. Cable TV was introduced, and not too long after was followed by satellite reception (with their appropriate receivers), both of which improved the strength of the signal and integrity of the image. In more recent years, digital cable and satellite hit it big, and allow for near-perfect signal quality and picture integrity.

    The only thing that hasn't really changed up to this point has been the resolution, and this has partly been a result of how well the TV market took off after its introduction. It's hard to change a standard once it has been in place and is used by everyone. Optimally, it would be nice if there was a way to allow HDTV signals to continue to be received by regular definition TVs so that broadcasters wouldn't have to maintain separate equipment, but the technology is so much different that it would be impractical. This is why the introduction of HDTV has taken so long.

    1. Re:The real improvements... by ratboy666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting - I just want to expand on your "fleshy" point:

      Modern TVs use a colour gamut designed to improved flesh tones, yet they have a smaller gamut than the original colour specification. In other words, an antique original colour TV is able to represent MORE colours than your current set.. It just won't do hiqh quality pr0n as well.

      As to "near-perfect" signal quality and picture integrity... I would argue that "digital" mpeg encoding reduces quality. The mpeg encode of course relies on "picture integrity" (actually, no, everything is bundled up into 188 byte packets, with the assumption that there will be lossage, and no retransmission).

      As to resolution - 480i has been "good enough". Indeed, DVDs are 480i/p as well. Generally, few complaints.

      1080i (etc.) HD formats. ARE a major step. Roughly, an order of magnitude improvement. But, for many, 480i/p is "good enough" (please note that HD has 6 times the datarate of a current DVD - and DVD *is not* an HDTV format. The only source of HD will be broadcast (possibly cable or sat..). And, you won't actually be able to *record* an HD signal using normal consumer gear).

      And, I find that 480i/p is good enough for me. I do have a largish set, and still don't really have the urge for HDTV. If we had "super-DVD" out there, with 1080i format movies, THEN I would for it. But, I honestly don't care for broadcast formats.

      That's probably just me, though...

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  21. Quality improvements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I suspect the number of charged particles shot at viewers has been reduced.

  22. magnets by donnyspi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You used to be able to put a magnet up to a B&W TV and distort the picture temporarily. That was fun. Then along come these color TVs that when you put a magnet to them it premanently makes sections of it all red, blue, or green. Bah! That's not fun.

  23. Resolution concerns? by torok · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The current standard has been around for 50 years because it's "Good enough". Nobody saw (and still, few people see) a reason for switching to higher resolution television. I suppose it would be nice for your hardware to show movies in hi-res, but who can honestly say they can't wait to see The Simpsons broadcast in hi-res?

  24. Inflation by Hungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to The Inflation Calculator What cost $1000 in 1954 would cost $6468.58 in 2002 and I know teh US hasn't been dropping prices of late.

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  25. Actually there were two other revolutions by cryptochrome · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ironically, for such a high tech nation, there hasn't been a major quality improvement in TV broadcast images for a half-century until the 2006 changeover to HDTV.

    Assuming HDTV actually switches over in 2006...

    I would argue that there were two major quality improvements in TV with the advents of video tape and digital compression. The first was a revolution of time, since people could now watch what they wanted when they wanted regardless of when the stations/theaters were showing it. The second enabled a revolution in distribution, as it allows cleaner transmission in smaller channels and arbitrary additional content. This is mainly manifested in DVD but is equally applicable to digital cable, video on demand, and online distribution (legal or otherwise, with anime fansubs and other non-domestic shows being the most striking application). Thanks to digital tech you can bundle on a ton of extras, edit with ease, and lower the cost of distribution and replication to inconsequential levels.

    HDTV is a nice improvement in video quality to theater-grade levels. But the video and digital revolutions are far more significant, and will continue to trump HD where both can not be accomodated. After all, what matters the most is not the presentation but content.

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  26. Color TV in 1928 by MrIrwin · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Baird system, 3 mechanically spinning (Nipkov) disks with different coulered gelatines.

    BTW, they even did 3D TV around the same period.

    Needless to say few people ever purchased Baird televisors, the picture quality was even worse than NTSC.

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  27. wow by Jahf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nothing highlights the amazing cost that has been aquiring HDTV like this.

    $1000 then / $4000 now for the first round of color TVs?

    It was something like $10000-20000 for the first round of HDTVs. In the last year they were just now coming down to the $4000 range, especially if you count the cost of the HDTV tuner as part of the TV cost.

    Today you can get them for sub-$1000 but not with a tuner so far, which puts it at a minimum of $1200 for full HDTV.

    How long did it take before the broadcast networks considered color to be "it"? I know in the early 80's I was still watching on a B&W tv about 1/2 the time. -Good- color quality didn't really happen until the late 80's.

    That is 30 years for a full transition.

    Makes the time it has taken to get HDTV adopted (2 years before it is considered defacto, probably 10 more before you get rid of the majority of old color boxes that are using downscan converters) to be alot less painful than people usually make it sound.

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  28. Re:Charlie Brown always strikes nostalgia for me by shoppa · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Of course, that old set lastest for DECADES.
    My family's first color TV set (bought in the early 70's) required a visit from the TV repairman a few times a year.
    My last two TVs have lasted a combined total of 7 years.
    OTOH in my house none of the TV's have ever been "broken" or "needed service" and they are all over 12 years old now.
  29. Re:...non-integer frame rate? by wmeyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Can you provide a link to this "non-integer frame rate" please?

    Look here:
    http://www.poynton.com/notes/video/Four-fie ld_NTSC _sequence/index.html

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  30. HDTV won't just affect couch potatos by k_killmore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As someone who is extremely interested in DV production, HDTV and more specifically HD DV are going to be a boon to the industry.

    Consumer and pro-sumer cameras are going to get a whole lot better in terms of color sampling and resolution. The ability for the start-up movie maker or videographer to turn in a superior product will prove to be much better with this technology, also.

    I don't know how much different the standard is for HDTV between different countries, but I'm sure if pros and the like don't have to choose between NTSC, PAL, and SECAM, there will also be quite a few happy people out there.

  31. This Onion is for you by aliens · · Score: 5, Funny
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  32. History of TV by thebra · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here are some links to the history of television.

  33. An older folk by jmichaelg · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I remember the first color show I saw was a Hallmark Special. It was awful - the colors were smudged and speckly and I wondered why anybody would want a color TV. Things stayed that way for several years until I happened to be at a friend's around 1962. They had just bought a brand new TV that put up an image that looked pretty much as they do today and I thought - "Gee (we said Gee back then) - that looks as good as a movie! These color TV's might be pretty nifty (another word we used back then...)"

    Meanwhile, another friend of mine's dad was working with Ernest Lawrence at Berkeley to develop the Trinitron tube. Sony ended up with the manufacturing rights because not one of the 5 U.S. television companies was interested and the Europeans couldn't manage the manufacturing difficulties.

  34. "In Living Color" by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I am not old enough to remember the 50s, but I can remember catching all the familiar 60s sitcoms and that was the time when they were making the transition to color. Early Gilligan's Island episodes and I Dream of Jeannie episodes were in B&W, as you can verify on Nick at Nite. Yup, it sure was different seeing Jeannie's costume in black & white. And I had no idea Gilligan wore a red shirt in the early episodes.

    Anyway, like all new technology, first they trumpt the technology itself. I remember NBC shows beginning with the colorful peacock logo and the voiceover saying, "The following program is brought to you in living color," a sentiment that today makes you think, "Duh!" but back then meant something new about the tech. That's the typical arc for technology. First they talk about the tech, and then the tech just melts into the background and nobody thinks about how it happens, they just enjoy that it happens.

    1. Re:"In Living Color" by Imperator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They do the same thing today with HDTV. They love to show you a bunch of tiny old TVs next to a huge new HD screen so the disparity is as great as possible. Of course, they try to show you the "quality" of the new system. I'm not quite sure how I'm supposed to judge a higher-resolution screen as viewed through my low-resolution screen. Yet sometimes they show a HD screen by itself and say "look at the quality!" as if they think it's somehow going to show through to me. I think it's pretty funny actually.

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  35. Quality was LOUSY until the 1970s... by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Informative

    In theory, the quality should have been OK, and perhaps it was in a studio, on a high-quality monitor, via closed circuit.

    In practice, the home receivers of the late 1950s and 1960s were lousy. They were very temperamental beasts. They had no built-in degaussers and if you moved them or turned them you'd get color changes due to the earth's magnetic field.

    The tube circuits were unstable and drifted. They had no ability to compensate for any signal variation, so colors shifted from program to commercial, from program to station break, from program to program, and sometimes from camera to camera within a program. You were constantly leaping up to fiddle with the contrast, brightness, saturation, and hue adjustments.

    The tubes were never properly converged (and had about seventeen tweaks needed to converge them).

    The picture tubes were circular rather than rectangular and cut off significant parts of the picture. The phosphors couldn't deliver much brightness, so they couldn't put the usual neutral tint in the CRT face; a set when turned off looked pale grey rather than dark. When turned on, room light washed out the colors (and if you turned the brightness up the picture looked even worse).

    They were trophies and icons of conspicuous consumption, but it wasn't much fun watching them. I've often suspect that at least part of the reason for the popularity of the Disney show is that animated cartoons were relatively unharmed by slight color distortions.

    In the 1970s, solid-state circuits and the introduction of various AGC and other automatic-adjustment features finally brought home receivers to the point where they were worth watching.

  36. comming in 2006: Hey, I can't tape my shows! by denis-The-menace · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, the broadcast flag feature. That alone will kill Digital TV.
    What's next?:
    -No channel skipping during commercials?
    -No mute during commercials?
    -Involuntary channel changes?
    -Can't turn off the TV during commercials?
    -Mandatory commercials during power on?

    At that rate they should just make the precious controled-content pay-per-view then but don't touch my remote after that!

    They want complete control but don't want to pay for the TV. Who's TV is it anyway? I paid for the dawn thing! Keep your MPAA/RIAA/xxAA hand off my Frelling remote!

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  37. Visible viable alternatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Why is it that every time we have an article even remotely related to TV, we get the same people complaining that Americans watch too much TV"

    For the same reason any group of people makes a fuss about their existence: to demonstrate a viable alternative. It's unusually common to believe that everyone else thinks the same way you do. That's why people stick to small talk- to avoid the complications and emotions that come out of discovering this other person you want to like (or at least tolerate) is the opposite to you in all the areas you truly value.

    For the sake of completeness, I'll say: TV sucks, SUVs suck, malls suck, SSRIs suck, laziness and obesity sucks. I've tried them all and abandoned them all. So there.

    This is the marketplace of ideas, isn't it?

  38. Re:YUV color by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 3, Interesting
    One interesting part of the development of color tv relates to the YUV color space used. This color space calculates color by the difference between two of the channels, the third channel is the detail.

    There are infinitely-many sets of primary colours you could use to represent RGB colour. In an RGB colour space any set of three linearly-independent vectors will do for the primary colours. The YUV model was designed for compatibility (Y = black and white) and realism, since the U and V primaries are closely related to important colours like human skin tones. Can't have people looking like Vulcans, now can we? :-)

    We never had a colour TV when I was growing up. Always black and white. When we moved out to the country colour was irrelevant anyway (snowy pictures look much worse in colour), until we got a satellite system.

    Historical tidbit: the Apollo video from the Moon used a frame-sequential colour system, which was converted once it got back to Earth.

    Technical tidbit: some ham radio folks use a system called Slow Scan TV ( SSTV), which transmits still images over the radio. They usually use a line-sequential colour system, which gives the signals a distinctive waltz-like sound. Your best bet for such signals is around 14230 kHz. People used to use all kinds of weird and wonderful dedicated hardware, but now a computer with a sound card is the usual setup.

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  39. I Remember Our First Color TV by Black-Man · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In '65... and all the cool TV shows of the era... "Combat", "12 O'Clock High" were still in black and white!!

    But what really kills me... I remember my mother letting me stay home from school to watch all the Gemini launches in *color*... and now I see shows on the History Channel about Gemini and the film is black and white!! I REMEMBER color! Where's the color!!

  40. Another story on the power of TV... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 3, Funny
    Growing up in the 70's, my family was like most lower-middle clans. We had one TV in the living room and we all zombied out to it. Once it broke and it took two weeks to get the parts (remember when you repaired TVs?). With nothing to do, we did a lot of reading and played a few board games. Mostly, though, we played with the cat.

    Maybe six hours a night, we'd drag string around the living room, goof around with the fether duster, throw things back and forth, etc. The beast, very aloof even for a feline, got more attention in two weeks than she probably had in the previous six months.

    Man, was she pissed when we got that TV back.

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  41. Color TV and YIQ by commonchaos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Color TV is quite a cool hack, when you think about it. The color encoding that they used, YIQ, allowed for backward compatibility with black and white television.

  42. Why, yes he was mexican by Mex · · Score: 3, Informative

    Never mind, I found an article detailing the story of the inventor:

    http://www.lomcximo.com/english/people/camarena/ co ntent.html

    WITHOUT MONEY
    He claimed not to have a penny from his inventions, as he had invested all of his money in new research.


    Can the inventor of the first color television be Latin American?

    In 1940 at the age of 22, Guillermo Gonzalez Camarena obtained US Patent
    No. 2,296,022, which protected his "Trichromatic" system used for color television transmissions.

    Gonzalez Camarena was born in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico, in 1917.

    In 1932, after two years of studies, he left the mechanical-electrical engineering program at the National Polytechnic Institute to work as an operator at the radio station of his country?s Department of Public Education.
    HIS OTHER SELF
    Besides being an inventor, Gonzalez Camarena liked astronomy, he was a connoisseur of archeology and mexican history, played several musical instruments and composed beautiful songs.

    In 1934 he built his first monochromatic television camera from scrap materials he got from flea markets.

    After his US patent for the color television on August 19, 1940, he registered his invention at the Mexican Office of Patents and Trademarks, No. 10,235, thus protecting himself against plagiarism and prohibited use of his invention in his country.

    He immediately went to work, as chief operator, to the radio stations XEW and XEQ in the Mexican capital.

    In 1942 he began experimenting with television transmissions from his home, and in 1946 he founded XEGC, the first experimental television station in Mexico, with only two receptors built and installed by himself; one in XEW and the other in the Mexican League of Radio Experimenters.

    My ideal is to build economical receptors so that everyone can have one.

    In 1948 he established Gon-Com Laboratories to manufacture TV transmission equipment, which he succeeded in exporting to the US two years later.

    That same year he invented the first remote control in Mexico, showcased at the Presidential Objective Exposition that took place in the center of the city.

    Of specific importance is the first black and white transmission of a surgical procedure by closed circuit television during the 7th Assembly of Surgeons, an experience that was repeated the following year during the same Assembly, but this time in full color.

    In 1950, he obtained the right to commercialize Channel 5 in Mexico with the acronym XHGC, where two years later he began operations on May 10th with a Mother?s Day festival; but it wasn?t until August 18th that he began regular broadcasts.
    In 1960, Gonzalez Camarena obtained in Mexico and in the US patents for his ?Kaleidoscope?, an innovative color television system that was later improved and protected under a new patent in 1962 as the ?simplified bi-color.?

    In 1963, XHGC began the first commercial color transmissions, broadcast to televisions in ten shopping centers in Mexico City, where the general public could enjoy them for free.

    Unfortunately, in 1965 Gonzalez Camarena died in a tragic automobile accident.

    This brilliant Latin American, without even reaching the age of 50 and working entirely in his own country of Mexico, managed to excel in a field traditionally reserved for scientists in first world countries.

  43. under $500 is possible by tuc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I bought an HDTV tuner ($400) and attached it to a standard 19" computer monitor (under $100), so I had a passable OTA HDTV system for under $500. The image size was pretty much the same as the that of the 20" NTSC TV it replaced.

    The two downsides were:
    • It was still 4:3, not widescreen. (Though I could letterbox it if I wanted to.)
    • I could no longer receive analog NTSC signals. This was annoying because my local PBS station does not broadcast their regular schedule on DTV, instead broadcasting 'special' digital programming. This means that TV Guide lists an interesting show on PBS, I have to find an anolog set to watch it.

    So I eventually replaced the 19" computer monitor with a widescreen HDTV monitor with integrated NTSC tuner that had been a demo model. Still, the whole thing was under $1000.

    Samsung HDTV tuners like mine seem to be selling for under $150 on ebay these days, so perhaps the subject of this post should be "under $250" is possible. Or heck, my cable company says I can rent an HD cable box for an additional $4 month (though I don't know if it has a VGA output), but I'm happy with over-tho-air.

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  44. What's your definition of irony? by Matey-O · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cause the improvements I've seen over the last 20 years don't qualify as Ironic.

    When I was a kid, we got two and a half channels with crummy reception. A few years later, we got a 15 foot dish and watched much better signals before the channels started encrypting....but they STILL had issues with sparklies when sunspots were active....18-32 analog channels on 10-15 satellites, requiring a dish to rotate to get to them. Then we went to an 18" dish that gets 150+ channels on two satellites that don't require repositioning, and all look uniformly good (some compression artifacting) especially when compared to two and a half channels in the late 1970s.

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  45. No improvements? What about Vert. hold! by helix_r · · Score: 4, Informative
    "...Ironically, for such a high tech nation, there hasn't been a major quality improvement in TV broadcast images for a half-century until the 2006 changeover to HDTV..."

    No improvements??!! Don't you remember "vert. hold" and having to adjust that up until sometime in the 80's. IC-based PLL circuitry has really improved TV since the transistor and tube days.

  46. Frame Rates, etc. by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the problem is that the frame rate is not an exact integer multiple of the 60Hz AC power frequency, which is usually the largest source of electrical noise. It's off by a fraction of a percent; that's why you often see a distortion slowly creeping up the screen about once per minute as the frame rate beats against the power line sine wave. If the frame rate were exactly locked to the power line frequency, the distortion wouldn't move, so you wouldn't notice it.

    Uhhh... Okay. Credentials: Former professional video technician (at the SkyDome in Toronto) before being hired to design radar video systems for Litton. Also an avid collector and restorer of early television sets.

    In the 1950s, AC power was not universal, especially in rural areas (note the sustained popularity of the "All American Five" AC/DC table radio at that time). Lots of places had DC, and lots of cities had 25Hz power well into the late 1950s. Nor was it necessarily going to be in sync from one town to the next, so you couldn't guarantee that the 60Hz powerline hum could be synchronized with the TV station's 60Hz vertical signal. In other words, you couldn't be guaranteed that the hum was going to happen in the vertical blanking interval (that black bar you see rolling when the vertical hold control is set wrong).

    I suspect that the vertical was chosen to be at 60Hz more because the large current draw of the vertical output tube driving the deflection yoke would then be more likely to occur during the charge cycle of the set's filter capacitors, allowing smaller capacitors to be used (cheaper). This of course being a time when electrolytic filter capacitors (in fact, all small parts) were still hand made.

    Even more importantly, you should remember that most early TV sets (until the advent of selenium rectifiers in about 1955) had full-wave rectifiers, generally using a 5U4 or similar tube. A full-wave rectifier folds the negative half of the sinewave up to the positive side, which effectively doubles the frequency to 120Hz.

    Either way, if the set is operating correctly, regardless of color standard, you will not see any powerline artifacts or ripple. It's when the horizontal system starts to come out of resonance that the biggest current draw happens in the set. Your horizontal output tube (transistor) consumes the most power of any part of the set; if a typical 1950s DuMont or Admiral has a cathode current of 120mA (at ~300V) and you misadjust the horizontal hold, that current will spike to over double that. That will load down the set's power supply, discharge the filter capacitors more, and you might start to hear 120Hz (full wave rectifier at 60Hz) hum in the set's speaker.

    IIRC, the original B&W broadcast was at 60 frames/second, but there was some technical reason they had to slightly shift it in order to add the color subcarrier.

    Yup. The original NTSC standard was 30FPS; when the 3.58MHz sinewave which carries color was added, the bandwidth of the signal had to be increased. (The original was 3.5MHz bandwidth for the image; reducing the frame rate slightly was sufficient to keep the bandwidth inside the original spectrum and didn't screw up many of the existing TV sets.)

    Old B&W TVs were the worst with this noise distortion because they weren't designed to try to prevent it.

    Note that the NTSC color TV standard was adopted in 1953, though not implemented until 50 years ago today. Every TV set built since then has known about the new frame rate the sets would have to handle. I actively collect and restore early TV sets, and I only have a few which predate this - they're rate.

    Again, you don't get powerline beat in the picture unless something is wrong with the set's filter capacitors.

    If you're getting a beat in the picture which, on a blank raster, moves in time with the vertical hold control, then you've got a problem where the vertical is either consuming too much current, or a

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  47. Article is unaccurate by cayce · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually Color TV is older than 50 years. And it was developed by a mexican engineer.

    Some links for you to explore:

    Ronald knows better

    Another history on the subject

    Quoted in slashdot on a previous article

  48. Blue Bananas by Limited+Vision · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A couple of people have already mentioned the NTSC = "Never Thrice the Same Colour" wag, but New Scientist published a funny story for the 40th anniversary that shows that the RCA techs who developed the standard were a little worried about the colour fidelity.
    A journalist who used to cover the NTSC told us recently of a lighter moment at the laboratories of the record company RCA in Princeton, New Jersey, where the system was developed. Team leader George Brown laid on a final transmission test. A colour camera was focused on a bowl of colourful fruit in one lab, and the received signal was displayed in another lab on a prototype colour tube. Just before the test Brown took a banana from the bowl and painted it blue.

    For the rest of the day the engineers at the receiving end struggled desperately to find out how their new system was faithfully reproducing the colour of red apples, orange oranges and green grapes, but resolutely converting yellow into blue.
    I guess the moral of the story still applies today -- check the basic stuff first. (Can't tell you how many times I've "troubleshot" an unplugged cable...)

    George Brown's book, "Part of Which I Was" covers the history of his time at RCA. Unfortunately, it's out of print, but he sounds like a good guy. :) Also, Ed Reitan has a pretty interesting page on the history of colour TV. RCA actually demonstrated a electronic colour TV system to the FCC in Feb 1940, so happy 64th! (CBS had some crazy-ass mechanical systems with spinning colour wheels). It's a fascinating site, well worth the read.
  49. Not true. by geekoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is nothing on TV that makes you not think.
    The Simpsons brought up all kinds of ideas, thoughts, ans stuff to think about. Many people may have chose not to take the opportunity to discuss some issues, but thats not TV's fault.

    I challenge you to pick a TV show that there is no opportunity to think.

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    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect