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Microsoft Launches 'Channel 9' Blog

Decaffeinated Jedi writes "As reported by News.com, Microsoft quietly launched Channel 9, a blog/discussion forum aimed at improving communication with outside developers, on Tuesday. Named for the audio channel that many airlines use to let passengers listen in on crew conversations during flight, Channel 9's creators state the following in a welcoming message: 'Five of us in Redmond are crazy enough to think we just might learn something from getting to know each other...Join in, and have a look inside our cockpit and help us fly the plane.'"

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  1. Outer space strikes back by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Funny


    Microsoft are going to ditch the NT mega-kernel and use Plan 9 instead. These are the first tentative steps in the migration from the huge monolithic NT ring-main to the elegance that is Plan 9. [deep voice] From the people who brought you Unix, PLAN 9 [/voice] Da da daaaaaaah bom-bom bom-bom bom-booom

    Simon :-)

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    Physicists get Hadrons!
    1. Re:Outer space strikes back by inertia187 · · Score: 3, Funny

      On the site: Just to warn you, this site will be on /. very shortly. Prepare for the flames that are sure to follow. Too bad the place will likely suck for a couple days, as I think this site might be a good idea.

      How cute, they think it will only suck for a couple days.

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      A programmer is a machine for converting coffee into code.
    2. Re:Outer space strikes back by ATomkins · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the UK (at least), corporations are referred to in the plural sense. It's perfectly acceptable to say "Microsoft are...". If you think that's wrong, remember, they invented the language.

    3. Re:Outer space strikes back by hdparm · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's probably correct. I reckon we'll need couple of days to logon in significant numbers, to make it cool site.

  2. Ladies and Gentlemen by Lasuuco+Tulkas · · Score: 3, Funny

    I give you 7 of 9

    1. Re:Ladies and Gentlemen by Space+cowboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn, she's definitely gained a few pounds...

      Simon.

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      Physicists get Hadrons!
  3. Quietly launched, huh? by MukiMuki · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not sure just how quiet it can be now that it's being seen by MILLIONS OF USERS EVERY MINUTE.

  4. Tora! Tora! Tora! by Rexburg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does registration require removing my shoes?

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    Launch all sig
  5. Thank you by Maljin+Jolt · · Score: 5, Funny
    Join in, and have a look inside our cockpit and help us fly the plane.'

    I would not fly a constantly crashing plane anymore.

    --
    There you are, staring at me again.
  6. First Headline by Bobdoer · · Score: 5, Funny

    The most important operating system is not Windows.
    Finally Microsoft figured it out.

    1. Re:First Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They claim it isn't a marketting ploy, but right here, they paraphrase The Cluetrain Manifesto calling it the Channel 9 Doctrine. What a transparent grab for positive press. If they really wanted to "Learn by listening. When our customers speak, learn from them. Don't get defensive, don't argue for the sake of argument. Listen and take what benefits you to heart." Microsoft would have fixed the glaring security holes that the open source community has been pointing out for years a very long time ago. Instead, they keep opening up new ones.

    2. Re:First Headline by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If they really wanted to... Microsoft would have fixed the glaring security holes that the open source community has been pointing out for years a very long time ago

      Which is funny because at the same time they are talking about listening, they are also working on the next service pack for their flagship product, and the whole service pack is focussed on nothing but security. But of course, you won't count that since it would get in the way of your complaining.
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      I'd rather be lucky than good.
  7. As if I don't have enough to read up on by The_Rippa · · Score: 4, Funny

    I spend enough of the day on slashdot and fark.

    I don't have time to listen to Codekeeper Willie talk about typesetting and anthropology.

  8. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Mr. Balmer speaking: by st964p62 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Proceed to put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye...

  9. Not surprising... by thesolo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me preface this by saying that I'm not trying to sound snide or rude. That said, there are several things on the page that don't display properly in browsers other than WinIE, like Opera & Firefox, such as the top bar of the poll on the right. Fix that, and maybe I'll consider going back. Until then, not worth my time.

    1. Re:Not surprising... by estes_grover · · Score: 2

      That said, there are several things on the page that don't display properly in browsers other than WinIE, like Opera & Firefox...
      That's right. I just went to the site with Firefox and firewall mentions that WMP wants to load. I say no thank you at which point browswer locks up solid. Not nice.

    2. Re:Not surprising... by thesolo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since it is running on IIS they have to use .asp and probably some custom software.

      The back-end language & web server shouldn't matter. You should still be able to generate a standards-compliant page that looks great in modern browsers. Instead, their front page has 366 errors on it.

      Now, I'm not one of those people who insists every page has to validate, but this is just sloppy. MSDN, not just Channel 9, reeks of it, too. I suppose one could argue that you can't blame them, as they are Microsoft, so of course they're going to code to their browser, but I don't buy that argument.

    3. Re:Not surprising... by MoronGames · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Instead, their front page has 366 errors [w3.org] on it."

      They probably use FontPage. Coincidence? I think not!

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    4. Re:Not surprising... by PalmerEldritch42 · · Score: 3, Funny
      I love when you try to start a movie (using FireWhatever of course), it asks if you want to install and run the controls. If has the most deliciously ironic sentence:
      Caution: Microsoft Corporation asserts that this content is safe. You should only install/view this content if you trust Microsoft Corporation to make that assertion

      OK- who among you really answered Yes to that? I mean, if Microsoft said it's safe then it must be, right?

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      Ceci n'est pas une sig.

      :wq!

    5. Re:Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here's the problem:

      I'm not able to use Channel9 to communicate because I'm getting the following error:

      "The file "wmpplugin.exe" is of type
      application/x-msdownload (Binare Executable), and
      Mozilla does not know how to handle this file type.
      This file is located at:
      http://download.microsoft.com/..... etc.

      I'm running SuSE Linux 8.1 with Mozilla as my browser.

      No, I'm not trying to be smart-alecky, nor do I have an 'agenda', I'm just hoping to converse and I'm prevented from doing so by the site.

      Just wondering whether they can handle this problem...

  10. Hey Peter! by Mr+Z · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, someome please tell me I'm not the only one who heard Lawrence's voice from Office Space, yelling "Hey Peter! Check out Channel 9! Breast exam!"

    --Joe
  11. The top video by Zegnar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That 'Bill Hill' guy is very charismatic...

    Two points: 1: I really like to see this sorta thing from big companies, gives them a personal touch. That's why Google is so good - not afraid to be more personal and real.

    Also, M$ must be sucking bandwidth streaming those videos to every slashprole. :) Every byte helps up their server bill (Anyone got any info on how much bandwidth microsoft/msdn.com uses? And what it's hosted on?)

    1. Re:The top video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      it's hosted on a distributed network of zombie windows machines

  12. the irony of this by dr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When listening to Channel 9 on United, you aren't actually listening to the internal cockpit communications you are listening to the cockpit's communications with the terminal and centre controllers. And that's where the irony is; the controllers are telling the pilot(s) where to go and what altitude to fly at, etc, that is, ATC has the real control of how things pan out. So while you might be helping to fly the plane [into the ground] you really have no say in how the plane gets to it's destination. And, furthermore, the real irony is that all this communication and procedures that the passenger is listening to is something that basically hasn't changed in the past several decades.

    Maybe you have to be a pilot to fully understand what I mean.
    -dr

    1. Re:the irony of this by spectecjr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe you have to be a pilot to fully understand what I mean.

      No, I'm willing to bet that being a pilot in this case merely serves to overanalyze throwaway lines to the point of them not meaning anything any more.

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      Coming soon - pyrogyra
    2. Re:the irony of this by jubitzu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you must be a vfr pilot

  13. They're all "technical evangelists" by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 5, Insightful
    More than half the guys list their positions as "technical evangelist."

    If you want to reach more folks: Can we instead talk to a developer who wants to talk about the best way of doing things, rather than someone whose job is to come up with problems where MS is the solution?

    1. Re:They're all "technical evangelists" by killjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft IS a religion. Talk to any MS employee and sooner or later you realize that. They all have that cult mentality.

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      evil is as evil does
    2. Re:They're all "technical evangelists" by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 2, Informative
      but a few are worth reading

      Especially Raymond Chen's. Not only is it interesting, but it fits quite well the original request for "a developer who wants to talk about the best way of doing things".
      --
      I'd rather be lucky than good.
    3. Re:They're all "technical evangelists" by jcwynholds · · Score: 2, Troll

      The sad fact surrounding this post is that MS is not trying to reach folks, it's probably a site devoted to try to pull the linux on desktop people back to windows. See the fancy Wiki? See the link to developers? A clever impersonation of the open development model, when in fact it's the same bottom line.

      The funny part about channel9.msdn.com is that it outlines why security will never be M$'s forte. The development cycle (which they partially outline) doesn't give enough freedom for fixing of bugs and complete testing before release, which is why security holes will continue to haunt M$ like a raging case of herpes. No OS is free from security holes, but when live systems are at risk for months with no patches, the opportunity cost of loss becomes a real factor.

      Which comes back to the 'technical evangelists.' The site is aimed at providing 'customer satisfaction,' obviously. Their hoping that pissed customers will watch some movies and forget that the latest virus/worm/trojan/malware is crippling their network. So M$ has hired some evangilists to talk people down (after reinstall after reinstall) and convince everyone that M$ has a real commitment to making good software. Ha ha.

  14. I hate this ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    'Five of us in Redmond are crazy enough to think we just might learn something from getting to know each other...Join in, and have a look inside our cockpit and help us fly the plane.'

    This sort of "gee whiz we're just regular guys, we're going to let you peek under the tent" sort or pr-marketing speak rings so false and just raises my BS detectors to max.

    I spent years dealing with Apple's evangelists and while they'd do this sort of thing occasionally usually they were smart enough enough to treat their developers as being vaguely intelligent

    1. Re:I hate this ... by Openstandards.net · · Score: 2, Funny
      'Five of us in Redmond are crazy enough to think we just might learn something from getting to know each other...Join in, and have a look inside our cockpit and help us fly the plane.'

      PULL THE NOSE UP! PULL THE NOSE UP! WE'RE GONNA CRASH!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

      Segment fault at <a very personal memory address>

    2. Re:I hate this ... by Queuetue · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did you notice #s 6 and 7 on thier "channel 9 doctrine"?

      6. Don't shock the system. Lasting change only happens in baby steps.
      7. Know when to turn the mic off. There are some topics which will only result in problems when you discuss them. This has nothing to do with censorship, but with working within the reality of the system that exists in our world today. You will not change anything by taking on legal or financial issues, you will only shock the system, spook the passengers, and create a negative situation.

    3. Re:I hate this ... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's what I thought at first, too -- an orchestrated PR effort -- but honestly, that site is too badly done. There's no way this is an official MS project.

  15. Scorchio! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fallejeha fallejehe fallejehe, Chris Waddle

    Boutros boutros ghali

    (Or do you mean a different Channel 9?)

  16. Don't bother visiting with Firefox by lazuli42 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Here's a few things I noticed after spending about three minutes on the site.

    1. The site doesn't present well in Firebird 0.8. The fonts are tiny and distorted.
    2. Many of the quotes on the page are, at best, sycophantic. "Great job Bill!" gushes one 'impartial developer'.
    3. Voting for the third option in the poll (this site sucks, but I'll be back later to see how it develops) causes Firebird 0.8. to immediately exit.

      Bleagh...
    --

    "There's companies that are just so cool that you just can't even deal with it," - Bill Gates, about Google

    1. Re:Don't bother visiting with Firefox by Zegnar · · Score: 5, Informative

      1.Works fine here in Firefox.
      2.That quote refers to Bill Hill, not Gates.
      3.And no, it doesn't. Update to a decent build.

      If there's one thing people hate, it's when you solve their problems, eh.

    2. Re:Don't bother visiting with Firefox by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have Firebird 0.7. The fonts work fine for me. You know you can adjust them with mouse gestures.

      In any case, I didn't go any further in the site. I didn't have the right plugins. For some reason I was expecting a blog, what I got instead was a colorful MTV-wannabe multimedia web site. I guess it's technically a blog, but it's certainly not my idea of a blog.

  17. Video Blog by niai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The videos are much more interested to watch than the text is to read. I get a much better feel about what the person is saying through expression, tone, etc. It's obviously more natural to get information from someone in this way than through text.

  18. That site is crap! by AstroDrabb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What a crappy site. It doesn't render properly with Mozilla/Firefox and as soon I went to the page, I was hit with a bunch of ActiveX controls trying to run. No thanks. Maybe if they want to try to interest other developers in MS, they should NOT REQUIRE MS stuff. The main page has more then 300 HTML errors according to W3C. Come on now. It is not hard to make a little HTML, honest! There is no coding involved. Oh, and this site is .Net. You can see what great standards compliant HTML MS's Web Forms spit out.

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    If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
    it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
  19. Boutrous boutrous gali by Timbo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Daviid: Quando es il dejeuner que la nyktos?
    La Rutha: O no. Aga non es functivo, ma microsoftos destructivos la dejeuner.
    Daviid: De nada. Mater que pater beefsteak cuisinarti tel para.
    Lizabet: El parenticos favoritos!
    Alberto: Scorchio!

  20. Help them fly the plane? by nysus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who does Microsoft thing they are appealing to? A bunch of 10 year olds? I'd be a little concerned about the conversation going on inside the cockpit. "Ever seen a grown man naked?"

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    ---Technology will liberate us if it doesn't enslave us first.

  21. EULA requires neural implant DRM dongle by StefanJ · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would try to come up with a name for it that is an acronym for "Borg," but I'm feeling really tired this afternoon.

  22. Watch out! by lawpoop · · Score: 5, Funny
    "...have a look inside our cockpit and help us fly the plane."

    AAAAHHHHHHH! Watch out for that giant freaking penguin that's about to eat the plane!!!!

    Aw, hell. It's too late anyway.

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    Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
    -- Pablo Picasso
  23. The Other Channel 9 by mercuryresearch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I realize the the CB craze pre-dates most slashdot subscribers (and perhaps technical evangelists)...

    On CB radios, channel 9 is the channel used for emergencies. Pretty interesting double entendre.

  24. Top 5 things you don't want to hear on channel 9 by craXORjack · · Score: 2, Funny
    Named for the audio channel that many airlines use to let passengers listen in on crew conversations during flight, Channel 9

    I don't know if I would want to listen in on the crew.

    5. Hey dude, got anything to eat? I've really got the muchies right now.
    4. Do you smell that? <sniff> <sniff> It's like a burning smell...
    3. Dallas Tower, we have a flameout on starboard engine 2.
    2. Jesus H. Cripes, Climb! Climb!
    And the number one thing you don't want to hear on channel 9:
    1. Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name...

    --
    Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
  25. Free Long Distance to India? by twitter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    We get to listen to the developers? Hopefully, we will get to listen to the guys who are really writing the software these days. That means my classmates will be able to talk to their classmates in Hyderabad, India, who are busy replacing workers in Redmond. Five years and growning. Use Microsoft and help Bill make money for these guys, but mostly himself. It's the American thing to do!

    Or you could do the evil commie thing and keep your money to yourself and help people all around the world by using free software. Hire that uneployed IT guy on your block and help a programmer make a living. You won't be sorry you did.

    Yep, that business about closed source helping programmers make money WAS A LIE. If 70 billion dollars in the bank, pema-temps and H1B slaves were not evidence enough of where this "Intelectual Property" BS was going, Hyperbad should be.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:Free Long Distance to India? by pballsim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not sure how you got interesting.

      1. Bill Gates has been losing money. He is only worth 47 billion. If anybody remembers he was worth almost 90 billion a few years ago. He donates his money to his foundation, which frankly, is one of the best foundations.

      2. Microsoft is hiring in the US, and aren't out-sourcing. However, IBM is laying off people left and right in the US to be replaced by Indian developers. But that's okay.

      3. Microsoft hires a lot of Indian people and brings them to the US, along with people from Japan and China. A lot of them get their green cards and all of the US works pay taxes to the US government.

      3. 70 billion? Actually less than that.

      4. If you want to talk to the developers you can send them e-mails. Heck I'll respond =) but I won't be of any use for Windows.

  26. Wow. Windows developers have got no soul... by Queuetue · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm reading these people's posts, and ... I know that slashdotters can be pretty dumb, and many of us are the type to get wedgies in high school, but we don't project a face that's that lame, do we? Geeks without the rebel in them are just ... dorks.

    Even our windows supporters are way more hardcore than those dweebs.

  27. Huh? by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Huh? Is this a joke or something? Well, if it is a joke, I just don't get it. Oh.. wait, is this a joke about Microsoft? Perhaps about Windows? Wait, that might be it. Windows crashing right? Is that the joke? Are you saying Windows crashes a lot and making a joke about that? Oh, yeah, wow. That is funny. Wow. Good stuff. I'd mod you up if I could because I wouldn't have thought of something that funny. No, my humor is much more dull than jokes about Microsoft Windows crashing. Heh. I probably would have made some dumb joke about a blue screen. Not very original. But, wow, a joke about it crashing is much funnier.

    Thank you so much.

    --
    Forget the whales - save the babies.
    1. Re:Huh? by tunabomber · · Score: 3, Informative

      Principal Skinner: Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?
      Professor Frinke: Are you kidding? ! This sarcasm detector is off the charts!
      CBG: Oh, a sarcasm detector- that's a *real* useful invention.

      device explodes

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      pi = 3.141592653589793helpimtrappedinauniversefactory71 ...
  28. Channneel Naaaain! by Turmio · · Score: 3, Funny
    -Bono Estente
    -Bono Estente
    -Hetthethethetettethehehtehtehtehte Microsoft owns you.
    -Sminkkipinkkibangbang Bill Gates.
    (Hey, it's British humour!)
  29. Reel cool guys. by sharph · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow, they are reel cool.

    http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID= 13

    I recognize half those things (perticularly the CPU fan and the soda can "graveyard") as part of my life at some point in time, and I'm sure other /.ers can as well. Like I said, these guys are reel cool.

  30. Five of us in Redmond... by multi+io · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...don't know NNTP :)

    Seriously, couldn't this have been handled by an additional group in the microsoft.* usenet hierarchy? Including automatic replication to servers all over the world -- for free...

  31. User IDs by The+Monster · · Score: 2, Funny
    I give you 7 of 9
    I don't know. 939 might be even funnier
    --

    [100% ISO 646 Compliant]
    SVM, ERGO MONSTRO.

  32. Re:Reminds me of a cartoon (A Far Side one?)... by patmc · · Score: 3, Funny

    found it: Famous Last Words

  33. Re:Technical evangelist ? by Jonathan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are they really paid to sing all the day : "Microsoft is good and they are friendly" ?

    Yes, that's basically what they do. Plus they try to convince people that their platform is cool and cutting-edge. Basically what every Linux user does for free (although often not very well). But to be fair, Apple's the one that started it as a paid position, and others besides (such as Be) did the same thing, so it isn't like Microsoft is doing something singularly evil in this regard.

  34. Re:Uh-oh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    Cue 'If Microsoft ran an airline' jokes in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

    Glad to oblige...
    UNIX Airways
    Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when the come to the
    airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece
    by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to
    be building.

    Air DOS
    Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on
    and let the plane coast untill it hits the ground again. They the push
    again, jump on again, and so on...

    Mac Airlines
    All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents
    look and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details,
    you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know, don't want to
    know, and everything will be done for you without your ever haveing to
    know, so just shut up.

    Windows Air
    The terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards, easy
    baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes
    in the air, the plane explodes with no waring whatsoever.

    WindowsNT Air Just like Windows Air, but costs
    more, uses much bigger planes, and takes out all the other aircraft within
    a 40-mile radius when it explodes.

    Linux Air
    Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start
    their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the
    runways themselve. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing
    the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself. When
    you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy
    of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very
    comfortable, the plan leaves and arrives on time without a single problem,
    the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other
    airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is "You had to do what
    with the seat?"
  35. Ha! by SeaDour · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How funny that they chose a commercial airliner as an analogy to their new "outreach" program -- I mean, you certainly wouldn't expect the pilots of an aircraft to be taking input from the passengers on how to fly the plane, would you? Exactly. Neither does Microsoft.

  36. Please tell me the airline... by bergeron76 · · Score: 2, Funny

    So I can pick another. For some strange reason I just don't want my flight from Atlanta to Phoenix "blue-screening".

    Uhm, ok so my reasoning isn't so strange.

    --
    Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
  37. Wow, Microsoft discovered blogs by R3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Questions that arose after a brief visit to Ch.9:

    1. Why would I "help them fly the plane?"
    2. Why would I contribute *anything* to Microsoft(positive/negative comment, let alone code) - so they could turn around and eihter sell it or maybe even use it against me?
    3. How much are Bill Hill and the rest of Microsoft alumni paid for their blog appearances and patronizing comments like "The most important operating system is not Windows"? (coming from a guy on Microsoft's payroll, this comes across as almost hypocritical)
    4. What's up with dorky one-size-too small gray golf shirts?

    Seriously, what is the point of Channel 9?

    Oh yeah, and BeOS called and it wants its color scheme back.

  38. "Named for the audio channel...." I'm sorry? by quakeroatz · · Score: 2, Informative

    David Becker is another clueless reporter. Channel 9 is a signalling and emergency channel used by all users of VHF/UHF/CB. It has nothing specific to do with planes or airlines. -SIGH- It's a channel anyone can use, so it assumes open use, possibly collaboration.

    Do reporters actually check on facts there days? Or just write the first thing that comes to their head after leaving the airport.

  39. Scary by sbrown123 · · Score: 2, Funny


    'Five of us in Redmond are crazy enough to think ...Join in, and have a look inside our cockpit and help us fly the plane.'"


    The Fav Five want me to join them in their cock pit? No, I wont do it!!!