... and be like ghosts in the sense that we cannot interact and change anything that has already happened but only observe!
I could be wrong, but isn't it realistically impossible to observe a reaction without changing the outcome in some way? This was the idea behind Schrödinger's cat.
Just as it's impossible to get the exact temperature of a cup of hot tea - the calorimeter has to absorb some heat to work - it would be impossible for the light to be absorbed into the students' eyes. Assuming time is infinite, the number of time-travelling students occupying our time approaches a fraction of infinity (still infinity); at which point all the light would have been absorbed. Since that hasn't happened, the students must be akin to deaf, blind, comatose, senseless mutes.
Ergo - students of the distant future will be no different than students of today. QED and get off my lawn!
Real men compile their operating systems from source at -O0, then carry out any and all optimization by hand at the binary level! With a tiny magnet and a set of torx screwdrivers for cracking open the hard drive.
Wait, this was about combatting linux stereotypes? Oh... uh... yeah, my girlfriend thinks that's important, too...
Compare most blackhats with most whitehats. What do you seen? You see blackhats with crazy abilities to not only forsee vulnerabilites, but also an intimate understanding of how to exploit them. Most whitehats are just people who know enough not to use insecure commands.
Correlation does not prove causation. You assume more whitehatters skills are inferior to those of blackhatters, but you don't explain why.
Most people that have been arguing against the class seem to take the side that the skills they acquire will corrupt the immature students and lead them to a life to spamming.
The other view, which you seem to hold, is that by writing malware or exploits, the blackhats have gained knowledge of a system that couldn't be acquired otherwise (except maybe this course)
Either way, seems like we're skirting the issue, we all know that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
I attend a school of 3000 people and we have a robotics club of 8 members, including myself.
I don't mean any offense, but are you sure you're not doing something horribly wrong? Out of curiosity, NerdOfTheNorth, are you Canadian?
I was on my high school robotics team for all four years I was there. We did alright... the years I remember, we placed 17th out of 18, first, then 17th out of 28.
The first year, when we were doing badly, I noticed that there was always one group of people who were control freaks and never let anyone else contribute ideas. People lost interest and stopped showing up. Maybe that's what you're doing?
The year we won, we had incredible team leads. For the most part, they emphasized how important it was that EVERYONE contributed. Even though few people had the necessarily technical skills, they each mentored a small, interested group. Everyone was able to contribute SOMETHING, even if it was just welding the chassis or being target practice. (I was on the Web, Construction, Documentation, and Video teams, personally...)
During my last year, it seemed like the new teams heads forgot exactly what made the previous year great. The decision-makers were even MORE isolated from everyone else. If you weren't able to contribute most of your free time to constructing a design you had no control over, you weren't wanted. Needless to say, we didn't do too well. Near the end, I started to skip meetings, myself
My point is that if you're in an average school, and you find that only 0.2% of the student body is interested in building a robot, you're doing something terribly wrong. It might be a good idea to hold an open training for "drivers" from a previous year's working robot. We did that ("Are you good at video games? Want to help build and control a robot?"), and the turnout was pretty good; at least a dozen or more people tried out, and found they were interested in other aspects of the team ("You need people to build a website, too?"), in the end, we only had to tell one or two people they couldn't be the driver.
Again, if you're having trouble getting people interested in robotics, you're doing something wrong.
I saw this story on Brighthand this morning and was about to submit it to slashdot, but I decided to check my facts first.
BargainPDA says "Sony has informed us that they will not release any new Clie PDAs this year in the US."
They had a conference call with Sony last week, and Sony made is abundantly clear that this is just a regrouping, they will NOT be exiting the market.
You can probably expect for Sony's next US model to be released with a bang. 'After an x-month hiatus, Sony has decided to revolutionize the PDA landscape again!' or something.
But again! SONY IS NOT EXITING THE MARKET! NOTHING TO SEE HERE! MOVE ALONG!
If this doesn't get me some karma, nothing will:-\
If the Rick Hansen SS you speak of is the Rick Hansen SS I'm thinking about, did your team participate in the 2003 Canada FIRST Robotic Games?
Just to inform/add a little shameless self-promotion of my own, last year marked the final year that the Canada FIRST robotic games were played. I was on the team for 3 years (2001-2003), so I just wanted to chime in.
I'm not sure how US FIRST handles things, but the biggest problems with Canada FIRST wasn't that people helped too much, it was that no one (not even the judges) could think very far ahead. At the kickoff of the 2001 games, they planned a big fireworks display. They were pretty much small roman candles. Inside a gymnasium. Needless to say, they set off the fire alarm, and everyone had to evacuate and wait in the snow until the fire department arrived.
Also during the 2001 games, the kits that were given to the teams contained parts of such low quality that the circuit boards of all 26 (IIRC) robots shorted out on the competition floor. I believe we were given 3 boards at the start of the competition, we shorted one out during testing, and we lost the other 2 at the competition.
The 2002 games were a perfect example of how the team's performance is based on the quality of their support. That was the first year we were able to get inside an actual machine shop to do our work (someone who worked there was a parent of a team member). We were able to draw from their incredible skills and put together the winning robot. (2002 TFC Trojans, Pac Man Competition, National Champions, woo, I have 4 t-shirts and stole a banner)
The main reason we lost the 2003 games was because of poor leadership. We came up with a design that we weren't sure was legal or not, so we submitted it to the judges, and although they said we should look into another design, we went with it anyway. The heads of the construction team were flabbergasted when we were disqualified during the competition, but they had it coming when they ignored everyone's advice and broke the rules. Sucked to be on the team *that* year (but I was at least in the video).
A lot of the problems we faced in the competition could be attributed to poor planning. When you have a really amazing team, with competent leaders and helpful support (mentors, teachers), it's a lot of fun for everyone involved. It's too bad that that combination was so hard to come by in CF. TFC is participating in US FIRST this year, but I hear our team isn't expecting to do too well. I still look forward to them continuing our fine tradition of robotic competition. (TFC won the 1st and 10th Canada FIRST Robotic Games, was the only team to participate in Canada FIRST every single year, and took home the SPAR Aerospace Trophy twice.)
In the UK (at least), corporations are referred to in the plural sense. It's perfectly acceptable to say "Microsoft are...".
If you think that's wrong, remember, they invented the language.
Actually, from what I understand, Palm had a HELL of a time getting HotSync to work with Panther's Fast User Switching. They were probably so preoccupied with keeping their head above water that they figured they can sit on it for a while.
I find it ironic that the "Choose a style" menu at the top-right doesn't work in Safari, but works fine in Mac IE, despite the fact that: "We don't have to worry that its basic functions are only going to work with Microsoft's, Apple's or AOL's "platform" -- because it sits beneath all of them, outside their proprietary control." (8.a.iii)
The only other thing in the town center is the firehall where they have linedancing on Friday nights. The firehall has a giant acorn shaped UFO replica on the top now.;-)
Right... "replica"... Didn't you ever see Men In Black?!
There are certain aspects of Palm OS software that could definitely use some work... I've never seen a decent photo editor for the Palm OS...
The Palm OS is also lacking in several neat features. PocketPC *dominates* on the multimedia front... and last I checked, the only 2 (3?) Palm OS SSH clients didn't support Hi-res, so they were a bitch to read... I would love something as good as sshCE on a Palm.
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Sorry to be picky, but Microsoft bought a license for UNIX from AT&T, developed Xenix, then sold it to SCO who would transform it into SCO UNIX.
I could be wrong, but isn't it realistically impossible to observe a reaction without changing the outcome in some way? This was the idea behind Schrödinger's cat.
Just as it's impossible to get the exact temperature of a cup of hot tea - the calorimeter has to absorb some heat to work - it would be impossible for the light to be absorbed into the students' eyes. Assuming time is infinite, the number of time-travelling students occupying our time approaches a fraction of infinity (still infinity); at which point all the light would have been absorbed. Since that hasn't happened, the students must be akin to deaf, blind, comatose, senseless mutes.
Ergo - students of the distant future will be no different than students of today. QED and get off my lawn!
Be careful what you wish for...
GUI?!?!??!!? Luxury.
Real men compile their operating systems from source at -O0, then carry out any and all optimization by hand at the binary level! With a tiny magnet and a set of torx screwdrivers for cracking open the hard drive.
Wait, this was about combatting linux stereotypes? Oh... uh... yeah, my girlfriend thinks that's important, too...
Correlation does not prove causation. You assume more whitehatters skills are inferior to those of blackhatters, but you don't explain why.
Most people that have been arguing against the class seem to take the side that the skills they acquire will corrupt the immature students and lead them to a life to spamming.
The other view, which you seem to hold, is that by writing malware or exploits, the blackhats have gained knowledge of a system that couldn't be acquired otherwise (except maybe this course)
Either way, seems like we're skirting the issue, we all know that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
For some reason, I don't think this idea of yours will take off...
I don't mean any offense, but are you sure you're not doing something horribly wrong?
Out of curiosity, NerdOfTheNorth, are you Canadian?
I was on my high school robotics team for all four years I was there. We did alright... the years I remember, we placed 17th out of 18, first, then 17th out of 28.
The year we won, we had incredible team leads. For the most part, they emphasized how important it was that EVERYONE contributed. Even though few people had the necessarily technical skills, they each mentored a small, interested group. Everyone was able to contribute SOMETHING, even if it was just welding the chassis or being target practice. (I was on the Web, Construction, Documentation, and Video teams, personally...)The first year, when we were doing badly, I noticed that there was always one group of people who were control freaks and never let anyone else contribute ideas. People lost interest and stopped showing up. Maybe that's what you're doing?
During my last year, it seemed like the new teams heads forgot exactly what made the previous year great. The decision-makers were even MORE isolated from everyone else. If you weren't able to contribute most of your free time to constructing a design you had no control over, you weren't wanted. Needless to say, we didn't do too well. Near the end, I started to skip meetings, myself
My point is that if you're in an average school, and you find that only 0.2% of the student body is interested in building a robot, you're doing something terribly wrong.
It might be a good idea to hold an open training for "drivers" from a previous year's working robot. We did that ("Are you good at video games? Want to help build and control a robot?"), and the turnout was pretty good; at least a dozen or more people tried out, and found they were interested in other aspects of the team ("You need people to build a website, too?"), in the end, we only had to tell one or two people they couldn't be the driver.
Again, if you're having trouble getting people interested in robotics, you're doing something wrong.
What? Your PC speaker doesn't work now?
It's like the VGA of music!
Ohhhh... I see the plan... we slashdot 78p.com, thus limiting the 'worm's damage!
Good thinking, guys!
Just doing my part. ;)
Our mac image is 21 gigs compressed, or 28 gigs uncompressed.
The Dell image is 10-15 gigs, depending on the purpose of the lab.
And it was 200 minutes per machine. We had 1 Xserve serving the image to 1 dual 1.8GHz G5 over a gigabit switch and got a final time of 211:45
I saw this story on Brighthand this morning and was about to submit it to slashdot, but I decided to check my facts first.
BargainPDA says "Sony has informed us that they will not release any new Clie PDAs this year in the US."
They had a conference call with Sony last week, and Sony made is abundantly clear that this is just a regrouping, they will NOT be exiting the market.
You can probably expect for Sony's next US model to be released with a bang. 'After an x-month hiatus, Sony has decided to revolutionize the PDA landscape again!' or something.
But again! SONY IS NOT EXITING THE MARKET! NOTHING TO SEE HERE! MOVE ALONG!
If this doesn't get me some karma, nothing will :-\
You mean to tell me that Windows is *INSECURE*?! NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!111one
Yeah, OpenBSD needs a few more of these, too!
Everybody knows that security flaws are what makes a system popular.
If the Rick Hansen SS you speak of is the Rick Hansen SS I'm thinking about, did your team participate in the 2003 Canada FIRST Robotic Games?
Just to inform/add a little shameless self-promotion of my own, last year marked the final year that the Canada FIRST robotic games were played. I was on the team for 3 years (2001-2003), so I just wanted to chime in.
I'm not sure how US FIRST handles things, but the biggest problems with Canada FIRST wasn't that people helped too much, it was that no one (not even the judges) could think very far ahead. At the kickoff of the 2001 games, they planned a big fireworks display. They were pretty much small roman candles. Inside a gymnasium. Needless to say, they set off the fire alarm, and everyone had to evacuate and wait in the snow until the fire department arrived.
Also during the 2001 games, the kits that were given to the teams contained parts of such low quality that the circuit boards of all 26 (IIRC) robots shorted out on the competition floor. I believe we were given 3 boards at the start of the competition, we shorted one out during testing, and we lost the other 2 at the competition.
The 2002 games were a perfect example of how the team's performance is based on the quality of their support. That was the first year we were able to get inside an actual machine shop to do our work (someone who worked there was a parent of a team member). We were able to draw from their incredible skills and put together the winning robot. (2002 TFC Trojans, Pac Man Competition, National Champions, woo, I have 4 t-shirts and stole a banner)
The main reason we lost the 2003 games was because of poor leadership. We came up with a design that we weren't sure was legal or not, so we submitted it to the judges, and although they said we should look into another design, we went with it anyway. The heads of the construction team were flabbergasted when we were disqualified during the competition, but they had it coming when they ignored everyone's advice and broke the rules. Sucked to be on the team *that* year (but I was at least in the video).
A lot of the problems we faced in the competition could be attributed to poor planning. When you have a really amazing team, with competent leaders and helpful support (mentors, teachers), it's a lot of fun for everyone involved. It's too bad that that combination was so hard to come by in CF. TFC is participating in US FIRST this year, but I hear our team isn't expecting to do too well. I still look forward to them continuing our fine tradition of robotic competition. (TFC won the 1st and 10th Canada FIRST Robotic Games, was the only team to participate in Canada FIRST every single year, and took home the SPAR Aerospace Trophy twice.)
In the UK (at least), corporations are referred to in the plural sense. It's perfectly acceptable to say "Microsoft are...". If you think that's wrong, remember, they invented the language.
Actually, from what I understand, Palm had a HELL of a time getting HotSync to work with Panther's Fast User Switching. They were probably so preoccupied with keeping their head above water that they figured they can sit on it for a while.
I find it ironic that the "Choose a style" menu at the top-right doesn't work in Safari, but works fine in Mac IE, despite the fact that:
"We don't have to worry that its basic functions are only going to work with Microsoft's, Apple's or AOL's "platform" -- because it sits beneath all of them, outside their proprietary control." (8.a.iii)
I gave up mod points for this, but jangell stole this from here, just 14 minutes after in_ur_face posted it (12:55PM vs 1:09PM).
SURE IT IS!
...
oh, wait, you're probably not a Mac-user...
Right... "replica"... Didn't you ever see Men In Black?!
There are certain aspects of Palm OS software that could definitely use some work... I've never seen a decent photo editor for the Palm OS...
The Palm OS is also lacking in several neat features. PocketPC *dominates* on the multimedia front... and last I checked, the only 2 (3?) Palm OS SSH clients didn't support Hi-res, so they were a bitch to read... I would love something as good as sshCE on a Palm.
And PocketPC games can't be beat ;-)
Oh! And don't forget ports of FTPD, Perl, Apache, XFree86, emacs and Vim ;) (among others)