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Clear Channel Plans To Roll Out Digital Billboards

Tree131 writes "Just in case you don't have enough distractions driving on the highway, Clear Channel is planning to roll out digital billboards. The new billboards will feature ads that depend on the time of day as well as the general area demographics. I wonder how long before someone with lots of time on their hands hacks into the system and starts tampering with the messages."

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  1. Nothing new? by Dj+Stingray · · Score: 4, Informative

    We even have digital billboards in Salt Lake already..... I thought they had these everywhere..

    1. Re:Nothing new? by Wakkow · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's what I thought.. Here in Sacramento, over near Cal Expo, there's one that was mentioned on slashdot a while ago that tracked what radio stations people listened to that drove by.

      It runs Windows.. I know because I've seen it blue screened before.

    2. Re:Nothing new? by Dj+Stingray · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow, after reading my post, I just realized how badder my grammer is then most people.

    3. Re:Nothing new? by Peeet · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh yeah, well we have one in Cincinnati. Beat that, damn mormons...

      and I quote: "When the end of the world comes, I want to be in Cincinnati because it's always twenty years behind the times."

    4. Re:Nothing new? by gefafwysp · · Score: 5, Funny

      We've had these in Britain by the motorways for ages, but they always seem to be advertising something called "Major delays on M6 at J15".

      Your written correspondence is currently broadcasting a postal address. With this, someone can begin attacking your house!

  2. Re:First.... by Alan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hmm..... I'm pretty sure that this is somehow a gross invasion of our privacy.

  3. How long until it's hacked? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd say about as quickly as my cable has been hacked to tamper with the commercials and programming I watch.

    1. Re:How long until it's hacked? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Funny

      I dunno. I can imagine them being hacked with a statement that says "You are sheep, you must buy our product". Heh, it kind of reminds me of the movie They Live.

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    2. Re:How long until it's hacked? by jigyasubalak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder why the nerds who post stories, almost always, assume that the system is gonna be networked? Why can't it be assumed to be run out of a plain old DVD player or something not networked, for a change?

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    3. Re:How long until it's hacked? by GregWebb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because it's cheaper to network it. If they can stick in a DSL or even ISDN line to get it new ads then they've saved a fortune over sending out a tech to change CDs ever few weeks. Add in remote diagnostics and they'll save a packet.

      Now, I can't see this running over the net or WiFi unless they're _really_ stupid but, having said that, we've seen VB cash machines so who knows?

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    4. Re:How long until it's hacked? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Interesting


      It doesn't have to be networked to get hacked. If it's a DVD player, for instance, it could be hacked by climbing up the ladder to where the DVD player is located and swapping out the advertising disc with "Real Butts 14".

      More likely the displays have a small amount of solid-state storage in them, and a serial port so they can be updated by plugging a laptop into them.

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  5. Well, just call some Congressional hearings by ObviousGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Clear Channel can then bend over and take it in the ass like they have no the Free Speech issue.

    We demonize Clear Channel as this media goliath that can't be hurt or tamed by anything, but the way they are fellating the government lately, it seems like they are willing to do anything with the right incentive.

    The question is how to persuade them to support Free Speech and good music.

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    1. Re:Well, just call some Congressional hearings by Babbster · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Clear Channel, like any other huge media company, doesn't have a "true" political leaning. Their only concern is making money. If conservative talk show hosts make them money, they put them on the air. If an ultra-liberal was going to make them money (before the JJ flap, they WERE carrying Howard Stern on several stations - hardly a good "Christian" program), they'd put that person on the air.

      To use Rush Limbaugh as an example, he would have been just as big had he been a militant liberal for the simple fact that he and his show were entertaining. During his peak period, I listened every morning...not because I agreed with all (any?) of his opinions, but because it was good listening. These days, when I get up early enough, I listen to Don Imus [in the Morning] and disagree with at least half of his rants (many of them leftist - he's on the Kerry bandwagon at the moment). But it's a good show, so I enjoy it.

      It's not always (almost never?) content that makes people listen to radio shows. It's how the show is put together and the quality of the host(s). These media companies know that better than anybody.

    2. Re:Well, just call some Congressional hearings by killjoe · · Score: 3, Informative

      " Clear Channel, like any other huge media company, doesn't have a "true" political leaning."

      Nonsense. Most corporations give more money to one party then the other. Some corporations give money depending on who is in power but others (like clearchannel) always give more money to one party then the other.

      It's patently nonsensical to claim that clear channel does not have a political leaning. They are clearly republicans. Not only does the corporation give way more money to republicans (around 200K for republicans around 25K for democrats) but they have also pulled ads that critize the president.

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    3. Re:Well, just call some Congressional hearings by gosand · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Clear Channel, like any other huge media company, doesn't have a "true" political leaning. Their only concern is making money. If conservative talk show hosts make them money, they put them on the air. If an ultra-liberal was going to make them money (before the JJ flap, they WERE carrying Howard Stern on several stations - hardly a good "Christian" program), they'd put that person on the air.

      BS. Total BS. Why was Stern pulled off the air where he was #1 in the ratings? You don't pull your number one show unless you are in bed with the FCC, and they "make you an offer you can't refuse." Remember, he was pulled from the air before any fines were levied, and he wasn't even told he was being pulled. And it was for a year old comment made by a listener. Yet the words used in that comment can be heard on network TV today.

      The whole thing reeks, and it isn't just with Stern. There are many other shows that have been treated like this, he is just the highest profile one. Yet some shows are allowed to slide. Hmm, I wonder why....

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  6. Ads by thefiremonk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will they have X-rated ads at 2 am?

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  7. Lawyers by noelo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are going to love this. Imagine the number of court cases which will litigate agains CC when they claim that the driver was distracted by the billboards. I wonder how this will relate to the laws which are being considered for banning in-car dvd players....

    1. Re:Lawyers by ahfoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was wondering the same thing.
      Living outside of Taipei and commuting into town, I'm already exposed to quite a few digital billboards. I think they're cool and seem perfectly normal in Taiwan, but it's worth noting that Taiwan's sign standards are a lot closer to Vegas than any other western city I've seen. And I recall that in San Diego and LA even flashing neon signs are prohibited except in certain "historical" districts.
      Adding that with California's prohibition on front seet LCDs makes it seem this is going to be a difficult trick to pull off at least in California.

    2. Re:Lawyers by krosk · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I don't know if there would be that many lawsuits as long as there were certain restrictions set on the billboards...

      First, moving images and flashy graphics would definately be a no-no. As long as the image stayed somewhat static it wouldn't be a big distraction to drivers. Just as billboards today can have as many bright colors and some even have flashy glittering tin-foil-type-stuff to draw attention, they do not attempt to sustain the driver's constaint attention.

      second, although the brightness would certainly have to be scalable for daylight versus night conditions, there would have to be a maximum brightness at night so as not to blind drivers and/or distract them too much. There are plenty of mega-trons at car dealerships on the side of major freeways, and they are certainly prevalent in Las Vegas. None of those guys have been sued for distracting drivers and causing wrecks...

      just a thought...

    3. Re:Lawyers by 33degrees · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course lawyers are going to live this; chances are, at least half the ads are going to be FOR lawyers:

      "Hello, have you just gotten into an accident while looking at this billboard? If so, then call us, at..."

      The other half of the adds will be for insurance companies.

    4. Re:Lawyers by michaelhood · · Score: 2, Informative

      I see these on the 405 every day (Los Angeles). It's already been done. No clue why this was news-worthy. If ClearChannel doesn't already have these, they're behind the times.

    5. Re:Lawyers by surprise_audit · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There was a scrolling-message board attached to a big sign near where I live. The sign was advertising something like a new hotel/casino complex being build on the land behind the sign. The problem I had with it was that it uses red lamps (or giant red LEDs, maybe) and the message wasn't just static - it flashed on and off a few times for each 'page'. This made it look a lot like brake lights at the side of the road and, worse, it reflected off nearby vehicles, making it look like they were braking.

      That was bad enough, but the crowning stupidity, for which (possibly) the board was legally shutdown, was that it was right at the top of a ramp onto the highway. So, you're roaring up the ramp (uphill!) trying to get up to highway cruising speed to merge with a couple of 18-wheelers, dividing your attention between other vehicles on the ramp and the oncoming juggernauts and suddenly there's this row of red, flashing lights demanding attention...

      I swear, if it hadn't been shutdown within a couple of days, I might have made a special trip to WalMart to get a baseball bat or a can of spray paint... Dumbasses put the flashing sign at waist-height, too, so it wouldn't have been difficult to deal with.

  8. Too many temptations by eekrano · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I wonder how long before someone with lots of time on their hands hacks into the system and starts tampering with the messages." Who's going to need 'alot of time on thier hands' to start working on this? This could be better than revengeworld.com for the more sadistic and technically capable out there. So who's willing to throw in on how long after the first one's up does it get hacked? This billboard could be entertaining in more ways than 1!

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    1. Re:Too many temptations by Technician · · Score: 5, Informative

      If they use a regular FM broadcast (why pay a paging company) and it's subchannel to send the information to the billboard, then the protocol would be sniffable. The trick would be swamping the input on the billboard to get your signal into it. You would have to be pretty close to do it since you are competing with a 50KW station most of the time.

      For more information on subchannels, Google SCA subchannel.

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    2. Re:Too many temptations by Technician · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I highly doubt they get info on your radio by any broadcast signal.

      This has nothing to do with sniffing the radio in my car. This has everything to do with sniffing the signal from a Clear Channel FM station to the billboard. Picking up the 50 KW signal and looking at it's SCA subcarriers for data to the billboards is the sniffing mentioned. Replacing the signal from a 50 KW Clear Channel station in the area of the billboard to put in a hacked signal to the billboard is the competing with the 50 KW station mentioned.

      Sorry I didn't make it super clear in my original post.

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  9. Advertising/Subvertising by ratherpedestrian · · Score: 2

    A pre-digital era subvertising guide. Imagine the opportunities on a subverted digital board.

  10. everytime I drive by it.... by Dj+Stingray · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everytime I drive by it, it displays a beer ad. How did they know??? RFID chips in bottles? WOW! Technology!

    1. Re:everytime I drive by it.... by kd5ujz · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your not constantly listening to country by any chance are you?

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  11. The OS by Paladin144 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hopefully it will be running on Windows Me. That way, most of the time we won't be distracted by the blue screens (of death). The color might even be soothing.

    1. Re:The OS by EEBaum · · Score: 2, Funny

      A couple years ago there was one in L.A., off the 405, that had an "Out of Virtual Memory" Windows error message on it for a few weeks straight, if not months.

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  12. I can't wait to hack one by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny
    with a .22.

    It's about time the common man can let Clear Channel know how they feel.

    1. Re:I can't wait to hack one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Telco EQ is 'designed' to not be damaged by a .22 round. If CC follows a similar design idea, you won't get too far with your .22.

      If you plan on 'reprograming' CC eq, I'd suggest a .308 or for the serious 'reprogrammer' - the 50 cal.

      I know the .308 and the .243 rounds will put a hole in a 1/4 inch hunk of plate steel, and will dent 3/8 inch. I have no idea what a 50 cal will do....

  13. Windows Error messages by Gary+Destruction · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw a site that had pictures of digital billboards with Windows Error messages on them. This is the picture I saw, although I can't remember the original site. It's not a crash but apparently, someone's missing a driver disk.

  14. This is Funny by Bruha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My dad's a truck driver and keeps a laptop with a 1xRTT card in but also uses his WiFi card when at truck stops. When he was drivng through Utah he kept picking up a SSID and since I setup his wifi equipment he calls me asking what the hell is this SSID he kept picking up and goofing his connections whenever he stoped somewhere to access the net.

    Turns out it was a billboard company in Salt Lake who after I contacted them really didnt care that they're systems were out there broadcasting their SSID's and assigning people's laptops a friggin IP!!

    I'm curious if someone's managed to redesign a few billboards out there.

    1. Re:This is Funny by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm curious if someone's managed to redesign a few billboards out there.

      A far more interesting hack would be to 'Own' the billboard and be able to grab ahold and do things to the machines of people driving by. If the billboard is assigning an IP it should try to do something with all those nice machines, afterall.

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    2. Re: This is Funny by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


      > > I'm curious if someone's managed to redesign a few billboards out there.

      > A far more interesting hack would be to 'Own' the billboard and

      ...use them to DDoS ClearChannel.

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  15. Yeah by jeffster10304 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just what people need, a TV on the roadside.... I think the real question is how long before they start showing Survivor on them ;)

  16. Synergy with radio by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Clear Channel can get a pretty good idea who's driving at any hour a day based on adding up the radio listening data... they can do supplemental surveys to subtract out at-work listeners so that they only count in-car listeners to figure out what the demographic that's going to pass their billboards at each hour of the day will be.

    Their killer app will be to link together packages that promise to reach a certain number of impressions to a given demographic.. based on who's expected to drive by at the hours that the given ad is up. That's what ad buyers really want, is to only count the people who are likely to consider buying the product being pitched... everyone else doesn't count. Doing it this way, they'll be able to get more milage out of their existing boards.

    1. Re:Synergy with radio by jafuser · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How long do you think it'll be before they OCR your license plate using cameras spread around town, track where you go, where you park, and then advertise to you based on your shopping habits?

      They wouldn't even need to necessarily know your name or anything, but your license plate would make for a nice unique identifier, like a browser cookie holding a UUID.

      When you're driving down the highway these dynamic billboards can then adjust the advertisment to fit whatever "average" ad best fits the group of cars who have the billboard in view.

      With enough cameras installed around a city, and a little fancy tag recognition + OCR technology, I don't see what's to stop them from being able to do this now.

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  17. Ooh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do ya think goatse.cx causes accidents?

  18. Driver has seizure....... by www.fuckingdie.com · · Score: 2, Interesting
    due to stupid blinking ad on stupid electronic sign.

    I think that there, perhaps, should be a strict limit on how many different types of distractions a driver can be legally exposed to before it is no longer their fault when they crash. This could be a sort of self solving problem, whereby advertisers will not advertise in high accident locations due to legislation saying that they are in fact responsible for the accidents in said locations.

    I also happen to agree very strongly with the school of thought that DVD players in Vehicles should not have screens in a location visible to the driver, PERIOD. There should not even be a discussion on this, it is just stupid. Would you put a strobe light on your steering wheel and drive at night with it on? Probably not, but I guarantee that there is someone out there stupid enough to try it.

    At any rate, there has to be a limit imposed on some of this at some point in the near future. It is a proven fact that aboslutely no profit driven business will regulate themselves at the cost of the bottom line, whether it means indirectly causing death in the mean time or not.

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  19. Re:This is Funny -- +5 Interesting by rjamestaylor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Damn moderators can't get anything right!

    :)

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  20. If they Hack it..... by Q-Mont · · Score: 2
    They would do this

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  21. My new.. by msimm · · Score: 2, Funny

    wide screen TV! And to think in the eighties I thought it was cool to steal strobing roadside lights!

    Cheap digital picture frames! Whoot!

    ;-)

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  22. News... by NEOtaku17 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I take it no one here has ever been to Japan?(Specifically Tokyo witch is cluttered with the things)

  23. Re:Hackers dream... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just think of the possibilities...now we can play tetris across the entire globe for all to see!

    That is your hacker's dream? Christ, you might as well have said Atari's 'Tank' instead of Tetris. Me, I dream of a game of Pong on such devices. Everyone who has mastered intergalactic space travel, please raise your hand.

  24. cabs in Boston by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Interesting
    We even have digital billboards in Salt Lake already

    Boston's cabs have started sprouting Super(with a capital S) bright orange LED panels on top. They are displaying sports scores, or maybe very short news bits. Because of the brightness, they are virtually impossible to ignore, and exceptionally annoying. I'm almost positive I saw a Clear Channel logo at the bottom of the sign unit.

    Screw Microsoft- there's plenty of competition these days. It's Clear Channel and the other super-huge media conglomerates that really frighten me.

    At least the signs aren't animated. I give them about 6 months to figure that out. Personally, I hope someone takes Clear Channel to court over the existing signs violating some motor vehicle law.

  25. I don't encourage such by KalvinB · · Score: 4, Funny

    an unlawful act.

    But if you're going to do it anyway, take a video camera.

    Ben

  26. Fuck FCC, not Clear Channel if you want to by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 4, Informative

    The FCC imposed a half-million dollar fine, and more seriously threatened to cancel their license due to the repeated flagrant violations. That is a risk simply not worth taking for them.

  27. Can't move by uspsguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It will be interesting to see how they handle the whole idea. A lot of jurisdictions around here simply do not allow flashing or moving signs. I sure wouldn't want some movie distracting me at 80 on the freeway.

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  28. Re:Why do you think they call them BillBoards, any by forevermore · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There was a big one heading in to Seattle back in '98

    Was? It's about 50 feet north of the Pierce/King county line, visible from I-5 (large full-color northbound, smaller partial-color southbound), featuring full-otion video, and (northbound) bright enough at night to make me squint. When it went in, accident rate along that portion of the freeway jumped up something like 10%, and people fought to have it removed. Unfortunately, it's still there, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who dreams of taking a wide-spread shotgun to it every time I see it.

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  29. reeduckulous titles by tormentae+agent · · Score: 3, Funny
    In unveiling its new strategy, Clear Channel named long-time digital media strategist Michael Hudes as executive vice president of corporate development.

    in other news, I name myself Lord of the Realm, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India.

  30. Waste of money. by raehl · · Score: 4, Funny

    You'll be too drunk to see that far anyway.

  31. Re:Why do you think they call them BillBoards, any by ChrisMG999 · · Score: 2, Informative

    IIRC that one still stands because it is on Native American Reservation land. That or it's grandfathered in, since electronic billboards are illegal in the state of Washington.

  32. Oh, I dunno... by raehl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe by properly supervising your children?

    Seriously, how often are your kids far enough away that you can't hear what's going on?

  33. In France... by dargaud · · Score: 4, Informative

    I recently came back to France and noticed that the country side drives seemed a lot... cleaner. It took me a while to figure out that there were no more billboard signs. Upon inquiry I learnt that they are now illegal outside of city boundaries. Very nice.

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    1. Re:In France... by sploxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here in germany it's the same, there are no billboards out of cities, but I don't know if it is required by law.

      I always ask myself if so much advertising, if unrestricted advertising is really productive. If it does something good to the economy as a whole. If it would not be better to restrict advertisements to a certain level(?)

      It seems to me that today's advertisements do not inform about new products but instead are just there because if a company does not advertise, all other companies will advertise and therefore cut away the market share. I am no economist but that looks counter-productive to me. The money could be used to offer better products instead.

  34. digital billboard light pollution by chongo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    My concern with the digital billboards that I have seen is they add to the light pollution of the nighttime sky. In the silicon valley we have two on 101 (Redwood City and Santa Clara) that spew photons across the spectrum at a glaring rate.

    If ClearChannel is going to insist pushing these digital billboards with "time of day" related messages, then I hope they will turn down the brightness of their billboards at night as well.

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  35. Clear channel is *not* into content by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 2, Informative
    Don't make the mistake of thinking that clear channel is into relaying content. It's a marketing company pure and simple.

    Clear Channel's main service is piping advertising to the populace and their customers are those who pay Clear Channel to pump ads. Though they would prefer to stay out of the public's attention, the executives are very, very up front about it. To achieve that goal, a minimum of music or other non-revenue generating transmissions must be used until people can get by on just the ads.

    Personally, I look on advertising as noise at best and disinformation at worst. Given the effectiveness of marketing and lobbying, you can also raise questions about it subverting or circumventing the democratic process.

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