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A La Carte Cable TV Channels?

ryantate writes "I was reading TV Tattle and came across an interesting story in the Washington Post about people who spend less than $30 per month on cable buying a la carte. To do this you need a huge C-band dish, but Sen. John McCain wants to require a la carte pricing on digital cable. Content companies like Viacom are fighting it -- they don't want people to be able opt out of their less established channels. And at least one economist type, this guy in the Financial Times, seems to think we'll end up paying just as much under a la carte pricing. EchoStar is game but says Viacom and others are refusing to go along. "

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  1. The Illuminati will control you, sheep! by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    The TV broadcasters don't want a la carte programming. The reason they say, cost, is not the real reason. For years the broadcasters have been using extremely low wattage, spread spectrum messaging to program our minds via channel packages.

    For example, if you have a "Family Package" consisting of a cartoon channel, Lifetime, etc, the broadcaster will send a weak Bogon-Lyston Mind Control signal of approximately .02 nanowatts across each of the family networks to your television set. (TVs have uniquely addressable IDs in them, they don't want you to know this)

    To date this has been undetectable by standard means, however donning a tinfoil hat will block the signal and you will feel the difference within a few weeks.

    Now, if a la carte programming goes through the broadcasters and their masters (The Illuminati) will have to use a stronger signal on their most popular channels. A stronger signal may be detected which would reveal their nefarious plans.

    History
    Back in the mid 1960s, a brilliant electronic engineer had detected an odd signal embedded into television signal of The Ed Sullivan Show. Decoding the signal, he found messages saying "DRINK MORE SOFT DRINKS" and "SUPPORT THE VIETNAM WAR". The engineer sounded the warning bell, but to the media itself. Bad move. He was heavily drugged for over 3 years then was placed at the center of a CIA/NSA/Illuminati organised mass murder crime scene. That engineer, Charles Manson, is still in jail suffering the ravages of the drug therapy.

    Don't believe me, search the net! The truth must be tol... wait a sec, there's someone at my door..

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    1. Re:The Illuminati will control you, sheep! by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "SUPPORT THE VIETNAM WAR", eh?

      Well, I don't think we have much to worry about then...

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  2. An idea by va3atc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One time payment category
    Cheap terrestrial antenna : $40
    HDTV decoder to pull stuff off antenna : $130

    Monthly stuff
    Netflix for unlimited DVD rental: $20/month

    Grab your local news off the antenna (in HDTV if available), watch your favorite TV shows with your Netflix account

    FYI: There is some unlimited DVD rental folks that work exactly like Netflix here in Canada
    Movies for me
    Cinema Flow

    I'm interested in trying one of them, anyone have previous experience with them?

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    1. Re:An idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also in Canada, I believe the community co-op cable supplier in Regina, SK has long offered channels a la carte. I think they also pay less per average, not more. They put in the infrastructure to do it years ago.

      The difference between this sort of system and the more commonly seen kind seems to be that they're a co-op, hence not driven to bilk their customers out of as much money as possible for programming they don't watch.

      "Bundling" in generaly is far too often about the scaling of a con than the economy of scale.

    2. Re:An idea by -tji · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have *almost* gotten to this level..

      I've been addicted to Netflix for over 3 years now. That instantly cut my TV viewing to almost nothing. I always had a movie that I wanted to watch, rather than the junk that happened to be on TV.

      After getting a widescreen TV to view DVD's in their native format, I tried out the HD capabilities of the TV with an HD tuner. I was very impressed with the quality, and my ability to get a perfect picture via antenna - even though using analog reception my picture always sucked. Now, I can get the big sporting events I want, as well as a couple TV shows (The West Wing & Fear Factor) with no monthly costs.

      But, I didn't take the plunge and cancel DirecTV yet.. For most people, there will always be a small number of stations they must have. For me, it's ESPN-HD, HBO-HD, and HDNet Movies. For my grandfather, it's The Weather Channel and CNN. For my Dad, it's the Golf Channel.

      So.. I think that the suggestions you gave make ala carte channel selection even more useful. If I can pay $15-$25 for the few channels I actually want, that's a big improvement over what I have today - paying for dozens of SDTV channels that I literally never watch.

    3. Re:An idea by homer_ca · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Netflix or your local video store is a better deal than paying extra for movie channels, but there are few alternatives to the basic cable/satellite channels if you want to watch sports and cable only shows like South Park or The Shield. What else can you do? They're all pretty inconvenient compared to cable.
      - You can find some popular TV shows on BT.
      - Some official sports websites like motogp.com and mlb.com have live streaming video for pay.
      - You can go to a friend's house to watch a favorite show.

    4. Re:An idea by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A lot of shows worth watching come out on DVD. If you don't mind waiting a bit, you can watch them through Netflix.

      Currently working my way through Oz and the Sopranos via Netflix, I'm sure I'll find something after them.

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    5. Re:An idea by timmyf2371 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Netflix or your local video store is a better deal than paying extra for movie channels, but there are few alternatives to the basic cable/satellite channels if you want to watch sports and cable only shows like South Park or The Shield. What else can you do? They're all pretty inconvenient compared to cable. - You can find some popular TV shows on BT. - Some official sports websites like motogp.com and mlb.com have live streaming video for pay. - You can go to a friend's house to watch a favorite show.

      In theory, it's a perfect idea. However, watching a video stream on my 17" CRT just isn't the same as watching a soccer game on a widescreen TV.

      The selling point of cable is that it's convenient.

      I currently pay 38 per month which gives me the different sports channels, movie channels, and all the other channels. Yeah, you do pay for many channels you don't watch, but then how do you decide the value of the channel? Is it unreasonable to value one cable channel at 5 (the cost of a movie ticket) for a whole months programming? If you watch over 8 channels the value begins to sink in.

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    6. Re:An idea by cemaco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When you live in a building that has been wired for cable TV, You quickly notice that those old rabbit ears don't work so well anymore. I don't know what the deal is, but there seems to be some interference from the cable line. Been in several buildings here in New York City before and after they were wired for cable and noticed this happen. The result was that practically everyone in said buildings was forced to switch to cable to get any TV at all.

    7. Re:An idea by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Grab your local news off the antenna (in HDTV if available),

      Analog TV over antenna absolutely blows in this area, and I'm out of range of HDTV broadcasts.

      watch your favorite TV shows with your Netflix account

      I've had a netflix account for quite a while now, and as good as it is, it's no replacement for TV. If nothing else, expect a turn around of about 3 days, and no service on the weekend, so you can expect to watch about 1 DVD every 2 days, on average.

      In fact, what has changed my attitude torwards TV more than anything else is my home-built PVR. Instead of having 80 channels, and perpetually nothing ever on, I can get a full day's worth of good TV out of just a handful of channels, and that includes skipping commercials. The problem with cable is that the networks' scheduling sucks, so it seems like nothing good is ever on. In fact, there are lots of good shows on TV, it's just that you can only watch 1 out of 10, because they are scheduled competitivly, and most people wont stay up to 4 AM to see the program they couldn't watch (because it was airing opposite a better show at 8 PM).

      Even though some people are probably awake on off hours when a few good shows are airing, you tend to miss them because you shut off the TV after two hours of nothing but crap shows, and most people don't have an internal alarm clock that would remind them to turn the TV back on at the time when there are good things on.

      Is that rant good enough for you?
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  3. this would be good... by utexaspunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    a la carte would be a good thing, in the end, for the quality of programming- it might get us more commercial-free tv, too. look at the quality of the programming on HBO compared to the rest of TV. now, if we can get a la carte programs. I'd pay a few bucks to subscribe to a season of the Sopranos and not get Sex in The City...

    1. Re:this would be good... by alen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      HBO also costs me $17 a month on Time Warner Cable. How many people would pay $17 a channel to watch TV? Even $5 a channel would be a lot.

    2. Re:this would be good... by bar_home · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Commercial free is exactly the opposite of what they are shooting for. Of course Viacom doesn't want Ala-Carte, that would mean half their "less established" (read boring/worthless) media outlets would not be able to sustain themselves on subscriptions, and thus, they would have half the advertising time to sell. This is the reason they all only offer "packages". They give you one or two things you WANT to watch, and make you pay to keep the other 10 channels alive so they can sell ad-time on 12 channels instead of the one or two that are sustainable. I agree that the "best" way is to go ahead and let the weak channels die, paying for only what consumers want would weed out the crap and probably start several new highly successful media outlets who learn how to cater to what people want. The chances of this happening are low to none in the current economy and current rules of operation. It would require the big media outlets to lose big in the short term, and then learn how to read and react to customers in the long term. BTW - C Band sattelite has always been more or less ala-carte, but to switch channels requires waiting for the dish to reposition in most cases, which can take 10 seconds or so, and as digital sattelites are taking over the skies, more and more C band programming is disappearing. These comments are my own, and come from someone who recently got fed up with paying Comcast a small fortune to watch 3 channels. I subscribed to Netflix for my movies, and put up an antenna for local news. My kids now play with their toys and friends instead of SpongeBob, and none of us seem to mind a bit! :)

  4. This will never happen by cscx · · Score: 4, Informative

    You need the entire cable system on digital cable, to prevent cable theft. It's either that or install 60 traps on everyone's drop line!

    Of course, many people will complain about digital terminal rental fees, cry extortion, blah blah; which is why it won't happen. That and people will complain about renting a terminal for every TV set. Right now cable can brag that it works without special equipment (analog, that is) on any modern TV.

    Places like NYC which were using addressable terminals since the early 80s can do this, but for 99% of the cable-wired USA this will never happen. Too much infrastructure to change.

    1. Re:This will never happen by captain_craptacular · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's either that or install 60 traps on everyone's drop line!

      Or 1 programmable trap. This IS the 21st century, we DO have the technology.

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    2. Re:This will never happen by cscx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right now most cable systems are hybrid. Digital is an option, and it usually includes more channels as well as interactive features (On Demand HBO and PPV, for example). However most cable systems run analog and digital side by side. I'd say 80-90% of subscribers on a single system are using analog-only.

      If they forced digital cable on everyone -- i.e. a new box for EVERY TV hooked to teh cable system, the community would mutiny. I mentioned in NYC this wouldn't be a problem, since it was like this from the beginning. I believe all the channels are scrambled in NYC with the exception of the local ones. At least on the Time Warner systems. This was done in the 80s to thwart cable piracy. If you live in one of the 5 boroughs and have Time Warner, you have a box on every TV, or you just don't have cable.

    3. Re:This will never happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm an electrical engineer now, but I worked for the cable company 14 years ago. I've never heard of an addressable trap, and I don't think it's practical. To paraphrase the grandparent post, we DON'T have the technology -- not outside the lab, anyway.

      Consider a system with 100 channels. You want to offer the customers total a la carte programming: any combination of any channels they want.

      Can you make a digital filter (your programmable trap) that operates at VHF frequencies? Possibly, but I doubt you could put 100 of them into a modest-sized box, and have reasonable power consumption, reliability, low cost, etc.

      Digital is all that's left, as the original post in this thread pointed out. But if you want your TV to do the tuning -- and if you want to use your TV's remote, hook up extra sets, etc. -- then you need 100 separate decoder circuits in the box, 100 separate RF modulators, etc. It's horribly impractical.

      Having said all that, the cable companies should be made to use a standardized digital box, with a la carte programming, decent encryption to prevent theft-of-service, etc. You should be able to buy such a box if you want, and it should work with any cable provider. (Maybe this already exists -- as I said, it's been 14 years...)

      Oh yeah -- if the decoder's in the home, the customer pays for the electricity it uses, rather than the cable company.

  5. First "Kill Your Television" Post by Neil+Blender · · Score: 4, Funny

    $tv_show? What are you talking about? Never heard of it. I don't have a tv, haven't owned one since $date. You should get rid of yours and spend more time on $activity[0], $activity[1], and $activity[2].

    1. Re:First "Kill Your Television" Post by mph · · Score: 5, Funny
      You should get rid of yours and spend more time on $activity[0]
      C'mon, everybody knows that Slashdot readers can't get $activity[0].
  6. No MTV by dan_sdot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Even if I had to pay the same amount I am paying now, it would be worth it to get rid of MTV. I can't stand that channel, but then again, I never did like Britney Spears. I hate that I am forced to have that crap broadcast into my home (even if I don't ever tune into it, the feed is still there). Its a matter of principal.

    1. Re:No MTV by dekashizl · · Score: 3, Funny

      Really? I actually like it. But the way I watch it is I turn on MTV and *MUTE* the TV. Then I play my own music off of CDs. A little bootyshaking and cleavage in the background makes almost any kind of music just a little bit better. For example, try Gypsy Kings over a Jay-Z video. Nice!

  7. Good luck writing this law by Control+Group · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That would have to be some pretty carefully-worded legislation. Just demanding that a la carte pricing exist doesn't mean it will be attractive.

    "Well, Mr. Consumer, we recommend getting the 'all you can eat' package; for just $50/month, you'll have access to over 1,000 channels!"

    "But I'll only watch ten of them, can I only pay for those?"

    "Absolutely! We're pleased to offer a la carte pricing! And we can offer you each of those channels for...you said ten channels? Let me see...$6.00 a month per!"

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    1. Re:Good luck writing this law by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Very insightful. In fact, you've drilled to the core of the problem with A La Carte pricing. It'll save negligible cash, because the channels you don't want to pay for aren't really costing you anything. They're just there to make what you have to pay seem like a better value.

      If the COST of a delivering a single satelite feed -- channel licensing, cable, maintenance, customer service, etc -- for a single feed was $5, they'd need to charge you at least $5 per channel to cover costs. I think we can agree on that. However, on that same feed is a LOT more than just your channel. There may be a hundred channels, or there may be three or four. The cost BEYOND that $5 to deliver another channel would be pennies per.

      So, assuming a 50% markup (which is pretty good), they can sell you one channel for $10. Or, they can sell you a dozen channels for $11. Most cable companies figure you'd prefer the latter. That's why channels are offered in such unusual tiers.

      Let's say you want Comedy Central. Along with Comedy Central, on the same satelite feed, come 30 other channels. It costs very little above the recoupment cost to give you all 30. So that's what the do. Those 30 might include some strange bedfellows -- religious channels, channels of syndiated programming, shopping channels, nature channels -- but really, you're getting all of them for free, or close to it. You're just paying for Comedy Central. It's not like $35/70 channels = $.50/ channel. It's more like ($28/first channel) + ($.10/additional channel * 70).

      The cable companies would have to mark up the per channel cost -- or set a "channel mimimum" -- to the point where getting three or four channels was less money, but it wouldn't be that much less. And why should we legislate that? What's next, legislating that K-mart has to sell me only pair of boxer shorts out of the three pack if I want it?

      I have never used the valet key that came with my car. But I did not have the option of getting the car without said key. I could have made a fuss about this, but look: the cost of the key was probably close to zilch -- figure it took a few weeks to engineer, a few minutes for a robot to install. Split that over the production run of a several hundred thousand cars, it's still less than a dollar a car. Would I bitch and moan about a dollar when I'm already shelling out 15,000 of them?

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    2. Re:Good luck writing this law by Rob+Parkhill · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In parts of Ontario and Quebec, you can get your TV signal from a company called LOOK. Full digital broadcast, but you have to have line-of-sight to their microwave tower.

      For something like $18/month, you got the "basic" package, which includes all the typical networks and other stuff that basic cable has. That was a selling point right there, easily the cheapest TV package going.

      Then, you could start adding additional channels for around $2/month each, or any 10 channels you wanted for $10. Of course, half had to be Canadian channels (stupid CRTC rules.)

      My monthly bill was under $40/month, and that's in Canadian funds. Pretty cheap considering that to get the same channels from the local cable company, it was closer to $65/month.

      It looks like they have moved to a tier-based system now, though. You get everything except the movie channels for $38/month. Still, that's less than half of what the average american cable bill is.

      Sure, al-a-carte was nice, but when you can get -every- channel for the same price as just the ones you want, then you just block the channels you never watch and pretend that you have al-a-carte.

      I moved a few years back to a province without LOOK, and I have missed them ever since...

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    3. Re:Good luck writing this law by rainwalker · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree with about 95% of what you have said, except for your per-channel costs.

      Note that Echostar (Dish) is for this, but the cable companies aren't (or are indifferent). It costs Echostar virtually zero to split up their channels. They already have a 100% digital system, with all company-controlled boxes. Their distribution costs are fixed, until a satellite falls out of the sky. They are already providing all channels to all viewers, and the boxes limit what you can see. Since they already have an account management system you can access via their website or an on-TV menu, all they have to do is add checkboxes for what channels you want to watch, and change you some minimum fee plus a nominal fee per channel. Add, say 15% to make it a good deal to keep the packages, and everyone's happy. This is very much not the case with the cable companies, which is why they aren't interested.

  8. I sort of agree with Viacom by esac17 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot of times small cable channels get their business or make their money by late night channel surfers who have nothing better to do. Or the mom who is at home watching days of our lives and decides that during commercials she is going to flip through channels. The show that they are watching will very often catch the eye of the 'surfer' and next thing you know, you have a customer.

    If it was cheaper to go a la carte, I can't imagine anybody wanting to pay for anymore than what they already know, so you are are sort of screwing out the little guys who want to get recognized. They can't afford to buy commercial spots on other television stations (plus why would they let them), so this is their only form of advertisement. I remember a television channel that started up a couple years ago, and I was just flipping through and they had a show on the history of sex. I was interested so I started watching it.

    But hopefully this will all be gone with OnDemand starting to become more common. The little guy can create a show and have it on OnDemand, and then you pay .30 or so for it. Now THAT would be cool.

    1. Re:I sort of agree with Viacom by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, this will screw over the most expensive non-movie channel, ESPN. It costs the cable co's a fortune.

    2. Re:I sort of agree with Viacom by dj245 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      during commercials she is going to flip through channels. The show that they are watching will very often catch the eye of the 'surfer' and next thing you know, you have a customer.

      The problem with this is that people creat favorites lists with a very limited amount of channels on them. Customers have been flipping channels, but only seeing the ones on their favorites lists. Direct TV collects statistics on their customers, and apparently notices this trend. What they have been doing lately to combat this is removing all the channels from the "master list" and then adding them all back on again. This effectively adds all the channels to all the favorites lists. Its a dastardly little trick that makes favorites lists completely pointless. I might as well memorize channel numbers. Its been happening about once a week lately. Its like DirectTV wants to put us all back in the 1980's when the favorites list hadn't been invented yet.

      If I wanted to watch channels other than the ones on my favorites list, I would go looking for them. I don't need help finding new stuff to watch. And I don't need help screwing up my favorites list. The cat can do it all by itself.

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  9. Potentially a Good Idea, But Suceptible To Abuse by tealover · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ordering cable channels a la carter provides a tempting opportunity for the cable providers and their content-provider cohorts to bleed us to death with fees.

    I can imagine it now.

    "Yeah, I'd like the MTV 14 Channel"

    "That will be $2, sir....in addition to the $10 activation fee"

    "$10 activiation fee ?!? What the hell is that?"

    "Sir, this is a fee we assess to cover the cost of processing your transaction, as we have to send the truck out to your house"

    "Why can't you just flip a switch at the computer?"

    "Sir, our systems don't work that way."

    "Well forget my order. In fact, I want to drop MTV 2 that I'm currently getting"

    "No problem sir. That will be a $10 deactiviation fee"

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  10. Similar to buying whole CD's of music? by Not_Wiggins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seems to me that the cable companies/media companies want you to purchase bundled products so they can justify higher prices.

    To my subject, I'd equate it to record companies making you buy a whole CD of some artists songs when there's really only 1 or 2 hits on there that people want (I say "make" with respect to not offering just the one or two songs individually).

    Sheesh... it *really* ticks me off that Disney is forcing cable companies to buy ESPN for big bucks if they want to carry the "kids" channels, especially since I have no interest in the sports channels (not a fan).

    I don't know about you, but I'm sick of paying for channels I never watch.

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  11. Goodbye by pholower · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course this would be a good thing for the consumers, up to a certain point. There are some nieche channels out there. The Golf Channel, The Catholic something or another channel, Hell, even TechTV. These types of channels would slowly start to fade away because of fewer and fewer viewers. I like the idea of a la carte, but I don't want some of the better, more nieche channels disappearing.

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    1. Re:Goodbye by Little+Brother · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I find it intresting that you (and big business) think that the ability to buy "A La Carte" would be bad for the less wanted stations. I do not have several "niche" channels offered in my area because the majority of the people around me couldn't care less about them. Therefore, the producers of these channels get NO money from my area until enough Cable customers are intrested in the channel to make the cable company want to include it. Under "A La Carte" pricing, however, these niche channels would be receiving my money and the money of many people like me who like their special content.

      Saying that cable TV A La Carte pricing would hurt the little stations is like saying breaking up ClearChannel would hurt the small bands and record producers, because they couldn't get national coverage. The problem is, the small people would be able to get more access to markets if the content provider didn't require something to be popular (or at least WANT it to become popular) to allow the content to reach the public.

      Come on folks, the big cable companies' claim that they act as they do to protect the smaller channels is codswollop. The smaller companies would benifit from A La Carte Programming and the popular channels that are already on everybody's standard package (but could be eliminated under A La Carte programming) would loose out. THINK ABOUT IT!

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  12. Who needs cable? HDTV!!! by telemonster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay, CATV was established as Community Antenna Television. An antenna on top of the mountain fed the people in the valley, or some such.

    People bought cable mainly to rid themselves of the hassles of an antenna, you know, the Archer Space Command thing on every chimney, rusting away with TWINAX to the back of yo' Zenith.

    Cable eliminate that, and gave you a few extra channels. But the prices kept going up, and up, and up. Premium channels like HBO offer movies, and appear to have no commercials. Actually, the 30 minute documentaries about movies and indeed commercials, but that is besides the point.

    Along has come HDTV. HDTV is digital, and should deliver a picture that is exactly as good as the cable delivered station. So assuming more content providers show up in town providing channels, then the need for cable should be reduced.

    In my market (Virginia Beach, VA) you can receive MTV2 on UHF broadcast, but can't get it on cable until your spending $60+ dollars for Cox TV + Cox Cable. MTV2 broadcast seems to be filled with DirecTV ads. I don't get it, DirecTV delivers the same digital cable quality programming for analog cable pricing.

    I know people that routinely spend $80 a month for Cable, Digtial cable and premium channels. If you think about it, that is quite a bit of money considering the majority of the channels are getting paid for your viewership. Your subscription demands them higher dollars for advertising. Not to mention half the channels go infomercial at 10pm it seems.

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  13. The way it should be by Outosync · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With my current Dish Service I'm on their minimum plan that gets me the channels I wish to watch. I only watch about 10% of the channels provided yet I'm paying for all of them. I recently decided that I wanted Showtime so I can watch a couple of the shows on there (Penn & Teller's BS, Dead Like Me) but to get it I have to upgrade my entire plan and pay for more channels that I wont watch.

    And they wonder why people are just downloading shows off the Internet.

  14. Pre packaged isn't that bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If we were able to get TV channels a la Carte, our choices would simply be driven down to what the majority of people want to watch. As slashdot readers, most of the channels you watch (Tech TV, the Discovery channels, and others like that would simply not have enough subscribers to continue operation. We would eventually be stuck with two channels: The FRIENDS channel and ESPN. Sure we'd be able to pick what channels we want for a while until the voice of the masses is heard via their cable bills.

    1. Re:Pre packaged isn't that bad by bechthros · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I personally think that the potential audience for the "high-brow" channels (discovery, history, et al) is much larger than anybody gives it credit for being. Of everybody I know that has cable, we all watch the same ten channels (Discovery, History, TLC, Comedy Central, DisWings, Science Channel, TechTV, Spike/TNN, VH1, MTV2). Of course, that could be my excellent taste in friends...

      My prediction is that once ala carte cable is available, we will have proof that, Neilsen ratings be damned, nobody likes Friends, or crappy lowest-common-denominator shows like that anyway. I think ala carte cable and TiVo will be dealing the Neilsen system some serious blows in the future (I mean, could it *be* any more outmoded?).

      In response to people fearing for the demise of lesser-subscribed to channels... they won't go away, they'll just cost more. And to me it would be worth it. You pay $3.99/month for USA or PAX, you get... $3.99 worth of programming. You pay $12.95 for the Science Channel, you get considerably more. Especially since Science is one of the few channels that don't go to all informercials, all the time, after 10PM.

      Besides, my final prediction is that most cable providers will take the initial step of still having bundles of channels, they'll just make more sense (ie all discovery channels in one package, $12.95 a month) Seems like a reasonable comprimise, and not an unlikely outcome. This will give some added security for the channels nobody watches by way of the main, "flagship" channel in the bundle.

      But I am fed up with having to surf past channels I absolutely HATE to see the 5-10 channels I want to watch.

  15. Re:Another Idea by Jotaigna · · Score: 2, Funny

    thats a great idea, cause always you will have the book you want on your hands, so it'll be perfectly a la carte.

    Funny how is italic used to type french

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  16. The financial times author is correct... by deanc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... but mostly because of consumer stupidity. Basically, people pay the $50/month for basic cable for the 2 or 3 channels they're interested in. Over the past 25 years, enough channels have become available that almost everyone has their 2 or 3 favorite channels that they want to watch and are willing to pay $50 for.

    A la carte pricing would have the effect that people would simply buy the 2 or 3 channels they want, pay the same $50 they always did -- because that's what they were always willing to pay -- and any additional channels, which they now get for free, they'd have to pay extra for if they wanted to watch. This pricing scheme would have made send 15-20 years ago when there was still an untapped market for cable television, but in this day and age, cable TV subscribers are so ubiquitous that there's no untapped market that would be willing to subscribe to cable TV because it costs less. Everyone who would subscribe has subscribed and is already ready and willing to pay $50/month for television, and that is what they will continue to pay, even if government regulations change.

  17. Re:Another Idea by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cancel Cable. Save $50 a month and read a good book.

    OK.

    What's the ISBN number for The Daily Show?

  18. Pay just as much... but to whom? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The economic types may be exactly right when they say in an a la carte TV world we'd be paying about the same total per month. However, would we end up getting better value in exchange for that same money?

    Unbundling channels would be a death blow to to the mega companies. Who-asked-for-that-anyway channels such as VH1 Classics and Nicktoons would simply die because nobody's going to part with pennies just to get that one channel. They wouldn't be able to say "We're giving you 10% more channels, now give us 10% more money!" anymore, which would knock their pricing back into shape.

    Furthermore, new players who don't have the resources to launch dozens channels can now just launch one and be on the same competitive playing field. That'd open up the door for "indie" TV companies to come back into play. Right now, a one-network operation such as TechTV really has the deck stacked against it, which was part of the reason why they are being sold to Comcast.

    Right now, it's the content makers forcing the "basic cable" model. They're the ones insisting that in order to get their popular networks, you have to take their unpopular ones too, and put them all into the same level of service as they're perscribed for. Wait a second... isn't that the kind of thing anti-trust laws usually stop?

  19. Like A La Carte Phone Services by towerdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a phone services package with SBC that includes a few things I need, and a few things I don't. I called about getting just the things I needed, and dropping the stuff I don't.

    "That will be $10 more per month"

    I'll stick with the package.

    TowerDave

  20. Profitable, a la restaurant a la carte. by blcamp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can only see this as a way for Cable to profit:

    "Buy Package A (25 channels) for $29.95"
    "Buy Package B (35 channels) for $34.95"
    "Buy Package C (50 channels) for $39.95"

    (The cable company picks the channels)

    or:

    "Pick any 25 channels for $35.95"
    "Pick any 35 channels for $42.95"
    "Pick any 50 channels for $49.95" ...or something like that.

    Just like in a Mickey D's, you can either get a combo meal for $3.99, or mix and match yourself for $7.00+.

    My preference, frankly, is one channel: the one connected to my broadband router.

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    The problem with socialism is that they always run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher
  21. dupe!!! by Blair16 · · Score: 2, Informative

    originally posted on Match 29th
    right here

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  22. Re:Another Idea by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately, books are starting to get behind the times. To be fully current now, you need to be getting your information from a realtime delivery system like the Internet or TV.

    Sure, the book industry is far from dead, but as a provider of news they certainly are. They're more a provider of opinions.

  23. Re:Sounds Familiar by Cy+Guy · · Score: 2

    Even further back than that: December 2002 /. story

    AND

    November 2002 /. story

    But those really were about ala carte cable. This story is about ala carte SATELLITE: "His television bill is about $25 per month. Yours? Often twice that much, ... Angry? Angry enough to pour concrete in your yard and plant a motorized 10-foot satellite dish [emphasis aded], like Cooper did more than 15 years ago?

  24. Ala cart by Balthisar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a little ambivilent -- I'd have never watched HGTV if I didn't have a package. I used to have it programmed out of the bedroom TV. But one time TiVo recorded something, and now I find myself flipping to it every once in a while.

    But here's why I'm ambivilent -- I have TiVo -- there's PLENTY to watch on the 10 or so channels that we "always" watch. The old promise of "500 channels!" isn't practical, and who needs it? I effectively pay $50 a month for HBOs, Telemundo, and Comedy Central. I (can) get the networks free. Of that $50, $10 is specifically for HBO, so let's see -- that $20 for Telemundo! I guess I should die of embarassment. :-)

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    --Jim (me)
  25. Would we really pay the same? by Guildencrantz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And at least one economist type, this guy in the Financial Times, seems to think we'll end up paying just as much under a la carte pricing.

    The problem with this theory is that we don't know. Ala cart will have a few effects. Firstly, it will change the payment schemes that people use. Some people will drop out of their big plans. Others will start ordering TV when they currently only use over the air (myself included). So we need to see how that balances out in terms of revenue flow to the media giants.

    Another thing to think about, though, is advertising. If you are ordering a la carte are you going to watch more advertising? If you don't have as many channels to flip through are you more likely to stick through the comercial breaks? Will this change advertising schemes?

    I think this is a bigger change than most people have given credit to.

    ~~Guildencrantz

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    Penguin Trivia #46: Animals who are not penguins can only wish they were. -- Chicago Reader 10/15/82
  26. I want REAL a la carte. by raygundan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I want to pay only for SHOWS I want to watch. I don't want any more channels-- why should I pay for 24 hours a day of the Discovery channel? 8 of their daily hours are infomercials. And I only watch an hour or two of the remainder, anyway.

    I want TV and movies released on DVD the SAME DAY they come out on TV or in the theatre. I'll just pick up what i want to watch at the store, or download it from iShows, or whatever Apple or somebody else comes up with to sell us video.

    1. Re:I want REAL a la carte. by raygundan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I know it does. Screw the middlemen-- that's what we have the internet for. What do the channels do for us now that we have alternate means of distribution (internet, DVD) that we can pay for directly without ads? Nothing. All they do is drown us in ads and produce content of questionable quality that is supported by their handful of successful shows. While simultaneously forcing us to buy hours and hours of programming we don't watch on dozens of bundled channels we have no interest in, to get the few hours a week of TV we do watch.

      I say cut 'em out. I'll pay Groening's team directly for more Futurama.

  27. This could do away with many shopping channels by Eric+Smith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Shopping channels get a disproportionate share of cable and satellite bandwidth to the number of actual viewers because the carrier gets a cut of the sales. In an a la carte pricing model, this would be fixed because the revenue from providing a channel that many subscribers want would exceed the revenue they get from a shopping channel.

  28. Re:Another Idea by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny

    OK.

    What's the ISBN number for The Daily Show?


    It's 0836253256 .

  29. Application of a la carte by D.A.+Zollinger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Imagine, if you will, that you are starting out with a small family, and you want to protect them by not allowing channels with questionable content into your home. This way you can get HBO Family without worry about your children flipping the channel and seeing an execution, Sopranos style, on regular HBO.

    Hell, its a lot easier then programming your V-chip.

    You can select, add, and remove channels from month to month depending on your wishes or desires, while allowing you to only pay for what you want to watch!

    Like most people who have posted here, most current television shows do not interest me, but every once in a while something comes on that I do want to watch. As well, most movie channels still show content that I enjoy to watch. So to be able to only pay for what I want to watch, and not have to pay for crap that I will never watch, is a big win for the consumer.

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  30. Re:Another Idea by DataSquid · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's http://suprnova.org

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    DataSquid.net, a little about me.
  31. Be careful what you wish for by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As enticing as it would be to be able to pick any number of channels for $x/month each, a la carte pricing wouldn't work that way. Prices for each channel would vary dramatically, to the point that you may prefer buying a bundle to save money.

    One of the things that makes the multitude of channels on cable possible is the fact that they're packaged together. Few people would ever subscribe to the Avocado Channel by itself, but they'll take it as part of a package... and once in a while they might watch something on it, like the Miss Avocado pageant. And over time they might find they like some of the other Avacado programming and become regular watchers. That would never happen with a la carte pricing.

    So we could end up with a dozen or so least-common-denominator channels that a strong plurality subscribes to (ESPN, EmptyV, Cartoon, Spike, HBO) being successful, and the more specialised niche channels (some of which would be some people's personal favorites)unable to get a large enough casual subscriber base and withering on the vine.

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  32. Re:Dupe? by hypnagogue · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's a working prototype of a new security measure: "topic knocking." Duping topics in the correct order causes the REAL articles to become available.

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    Liberty you never use is liberty you lose.
  33. I smell bullshit! by Lord+Kano · · Score: 3, Interesting

    EchoStar is game but says Viacom and others are refusing to go along.

    I used to work for Echostar, they HAD a la carte programming once, it was called Dish Picks. They discontinued the service because of cheapskates who'd call in several times per day to add/remove channels as the shows that they liked came on.

    I suspect that they are now getting in line with the idea knowing full well that it won't ever happen. I believe that they're trying to get some congressmen to think that they're good guys so there will be less opposition to them buying DirecTV. The last time they tried, the sale was blocked.

    There was a rumor floating around the call center when I was there, it was a rumor and I can't vouch for the veracity of the claim so take this with a HUGE grain of salt; but the rumor was that before the last time they tried to buy DirecTV Charlie Ergan (the president of the company) had John McCain over to his house to "watch a football game", the game was blacked out in the area due to NFL restrictions, but Charlie had them override the NFL blackout and SHVIA restrictions and put the game on at his house. If this really happened and they got caught the company would have been subject to a $10k fine, I'm sure that Charlie would have paid it out of pocket but that's not the point. Once again, if this really happened, I think I have a good idea of what they talked about.

    Finally as a CMA, I'd like to say again that this was just an office rumor and I can't personally vouch for its veracity. The fact that there was a rumor is 100% fact, but the contents of that rumor are not known to me as being factual.

    I never looked, so I couldn't tell you if Charlie Ergan actually had a DishNetwork system at his house. If I did know about it, I would be prohibited from discussing it with anyone outside of EchoStar.

    But, you'd be surprised at what porno certain celebrities order.(I can't be any more specific than that)

    LK

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    "Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
    1. Re:I smell bullshit! by GPLDAN · · Score: 2, Funny

      But, you'd be surprised at what porno certain celebrities order.(I can't be any more specific than that)

      Oh, come on. Does Michael Jackson have the kiddies bouncing up and down on pogo sticks channel?

    2. Re:I smell bullshit! by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, come on. Does Michael Jackson have the kiddies bouncing up and down on pogo sticks channel?

      If I had any information about that, I'd be contractually prohibited from telling you.

      LK

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      "Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
  34. My cable company kind of does that by Therlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They got rid of their regular digital cable line up and split it in "themes" and they call it "a la carte" and it sounds good at first. You choose the themes or packages that you want and only pay for those. In theory it could be cheaper, but if you want to get the channels you like, you'll end up paying more.

    For example, I wanted "TechTV" but it was only in one of the "Entertainment" packages. It was all sports channels (every ESPN channel you can think of) and then TechTV. I don't watch sports, yet they wanted me to pay for all of those. The same thing with A&E, it was bundled with other horrible channels.

    It made no sense. I would have had to end up paying more than I was originally paying. I canceled my digital cable subscription and went back to good old analog.

  35. Re:Another Idea by HeelToe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are libraries your tax dollars fund to solve this dilemna.

    My wife and I make heavy use of our local library. Not only for books, but for DVD movies and audio.

    With all the time you save by not watching TV, you could spend some going to the library and picking up your items. I don't know about the library system in your area, but I can put holds on items online, and then just show up to check them out. Talk about convenient.

  36. Choice = more efficient marketplace by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I had a friend in Clear Lake TX whose Cable bill went up by ~$10 a couple of years ago and he called to complain . . . they said that the price hike was approved because he was now getting 4 "Great new channels" . . . Golf, something like a soap opera network and 2 shopping networks.

    Because he was locked into a cable plan, he couldn't easily "vote" for the channels that he liked with his dollars . . . so he was stuck paying the extra for four lousy (in his opinion) channels that he would never watch.

    I agree with the economists that say that we will pay the same for TV, but if can vote with our dollars, we establish more competitition and a more efficient marketplace. If no one likes the channel, it will be dropped in favor of something else . . .

    When I move to Richmond VA in 1995, they didn't have comedy central and didn't get it for another 2 years or so . . . if people could pick and choose . . . we might have gotten it a lot sooner through an efficient marketplace that reflects true customer demand.

  37. It's Pro Sports, Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The sports packages are driving the whole package. It's estimated that ESPN alone amounts to a $2.50 to $3.00 monthly "tax" on the standard packages. It's a great deal for the compulsive sports fans, but a significant burden on those of us who couldn't care less. And we recently saw how a major content provider extorted an agreement to raise its rates to cover expanded sports coverage from a major cable signal delivery provider.

  38. Ugh by karb · · Score: 2
    Hmm. The consumer in me says that choice is good.

    The geek in me says that complexity is very, very, very bad. The words "ala cart channels", "de facto public utility", and "billing system" conjure visions of exponents whose exponents have exponents.

    Finally, the fiscal conservative in me says that it will raise costs for the cable companies, which will raise costs for consumers, which will in the end probably price some people out of cable.

    And then as an added bonus, we get to pay the government to take cable away from poor people. That way everybody wins.

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    Jack Valenti and the MPAA are to technology as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone

  39. Re:Another Idea by sckeener · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was about to whip out 'what is the ISBN for the man show', but Playboy probably covers that.

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    "Only one thing, is impossible for god: to find any sense in any copyright law on the planet." Mark Twain
  40. Unfortunately by dj245 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Unfortunately it isn't going to be all cookies and milk like people will hope. Maybe it will work for a while, but just like legal music purchases, the people in charge will eventually want to crank up the price. The parrallels are shocking.

    Record industry: So, you don't want to buy the whole CD because 85% of the album is shit? Fine, we will sell you songs at $1 each online. You can get your 15% of good songs off the album for maybe $2.50. A year later, they want to jack the price to around $2.50 a song. Your $2.50 of good songs per album is now $8 or $9. Might as well buy the whole album at wal-mart and get the physical, non-DRM goods.

    Sattelite guys: So, you don't want 500 channels of crap when you only watch 30 of them regularly? Fine we will sell you them at $1 each. A year later, though, maybe they want $1.50. Your cheap $30/month roll-your-own package is now $45, yikes!

    It will happen. Big media companies are greedy hoarding bastards.

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    Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
  41. Actually, you can by Nurlman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why can't I buy a bag of just the blue M&M's?

    You can. In the future, all foods will be user-customizable.

  42. Re:How will it be imlpemented? by Life2Short · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As per the article, a-la-carte is already working for C-Band dish owners, and it has been for the last 20 years. Before the advent of the mini-dish and the digital signal, all dish owners had BUDs (Big Ugly Dish - C-Band analog signal). It's not like you call up every month and completely change your order. You know what you want and what you don't, and you tend to stick with those choices year round, only occassionally making adjustments. One other advantage of C-Band analog signals, it is relatively easy to descramble the video (much more difficult with the audio). Thus if there is any visually oriented programming where picture is more important to you than sound (use your imagination) it isn't too hard to pirate channels. Of course, HBO led the drive to digital signals on C-Band, and those are not so easy to pirate. I haven't had access to a BUD for a few years now, so I don't know if there are many channels still using the analog signal.

  43. support McCain... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 2, Informative

    I totally want to move to a la carte pricing, even if it does end up costing more. However, I think companies like Comcast should be put under regulation. Why? Let me break it down:

    A. Comcast was able to purchase AT&T Broadband last year with very little scrutiny imposed upon it from the FTC and the FCC. AOL Time Warner was not so lucky during the merger that created them.

    B. Comcast raised rates again. They claim they are recuping on their investment to upgrade their system. They claim it had to do with spending a fortune on OnDemand programming. That's great, but I don't use OnDemand; I should not be punished for this capital expense just because I was smart enough to buy my own DVR (TiVo) so that I do not need such a feature.

    C. In turn, Comcast is now trying to acquire the Walt Disney Company. Comcast will claim this is going to be a pure stock swap and thus increased subscriber rates have nothing to do with it but it most certainly does...if Comcast does not suffer a large amount of customer defection due to the pricing increases, Comcast's stock will be more valuable. This helps Comcast to acquire Disney and thus it is Joe Consumer that is paying for the acquisition.

    Now let us look at how Comcast could save money/increase revenue without resorting to rate increases and prosper under a la carte:

    1. Deploy set-top boxes with TiVo built in; not "Comcast DVR" from some other supplier. Comcast is a shareholder in TiVo - if Comcast supports TiVo, it enriches their own investment. TiVo is a popular brand now, and brand influence can be a deciding point if it comes down to Comcast w/TiVo versus Dish Network with Dish PVR. Furthermore, Comcast can share revenue based upon TiVo's viewer statistics so they'll know which channels are being watched and what commercials are the most popular. That would be profitable.

    2. Comcast can offer cable telephony. Comcast has been paying lip-service to this for years. How come I cannot get local telephone service through Comcast itself yet I can sign up for Vonage which will run over their cable line? Here in Sacramento, the upstart SureWest (which is actually Roseville Telecom) offers bundled telephone service as standard. Granted, they are offering fibre directly to the home.

    3. Dump analog, period. Analog is the piracy hole in the cable systems. Digital piracy is not a major problem compared to analog. Plus, since an analog SDTV channel takes up as much bandwidth as 4-6 digital SDTV channels, this becomes more economical for Comcast to move directly to digital. Digital cable should not be considered a premium when it is so profitable. Charge a premium for HDTV.

    4. A la carte pricing will not cause a customer service issue. Any channel additions and subtractions could be made via the internet, and if someone wants to spend time on the phone with customer service to add or subtract channels, leverage a fee on them.

    5. Allow DirecTV and Dish to offer their own ISPs to their customers over Comcast wires and share in the revenue. Those customers are no longer Comcast customers so you might as well make some money off them. This is money that would go directly to the company and not other company competitors like the regional Bell telephone companies offering DSL packages. If you look at the revenue share agreements between Time Warner Cable and Earthlink, Time Warner Cable makes 90% of the fees.

    Finally, programming packages are ridiculous. To get TechTV, I had to move up to another $5 more per month just to get it. Trio was a bonus. However, I did not require BET Jazz to be included in that. Furthermore, I would like to voice my support at Comcast keeping both TechTV and G4 separate now that they are both owned by Comcast. They are similar yet serve different interests just as MTV1 and MTV2 do.

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  44. Canada already does ala cart by MagikSlinger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For specialty digital channels. $2/channel (some are more expensive). They provide package discounts (buy 5 for $1.50/channel) too. You just need some political backbone.

    <Insert political joke here>

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    1. Re:Canada already does ala cart by shepd · · Score: 2, Informative

      >You just need some political backbone.

      Backbone like this?

      (2.1) Every person who contravenes paragraph 9(1)(c) or (d) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable, in the case of an individual, to a fine not exceeding $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year , or to both, or, in the case of a corporation, to a fine not exceeding $200,000 .

      For those of you wondering, section 9 outlaws DirecTV in Canada. Those will be the punishments for paying for DirecTV. Yes, paying for it gets you that punishment.

      You'll also note that the government will control what satellite receivers you can and can't use with that bill. Of couse, as it already notes, the only companies that will be allowed to have them are ExpressVu and StarChoice.

      There's a reason Canada has a la carte. And that's because Canadian TV blows huge chunks and, depending on the channel (I'm looking at you CBC & TV Ontario), is socially funded already. Not to mention the fact that Bell ExpressVu basically own our government.

      Backbone indeed.

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      If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
  45. Slashdotters will suffer by falltime · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Assuming (big) that your average slashdotter is watching some of the more esoteric programming on cable (techtv, a&e, National Geographic, etc) this plan will be a disaster. Once an ala-carte system goes into place, the less subscribed channels will get less and less advertising dollars, and therefore , will either have less and less programing or cost more and more to subscribe to.

  46. Re:Promotional Weekends by Life2Short · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wouldn't you also have to say though that the QUALITY of programming on the Disney Channel has declined dramatically since the days when it was a premium channel? They used to roll a lot of their movies out of the vaults, and they included old Disney Shows. They showed this content largely commercial free. Now it's all new programming (Lilo and Stitch, Kim Possible, Lizzie McGuire). Maybe it appeals to kids (obviously the target demographic, so I'll gladly shut up), but I think it sucks! Whenever I tune in they seem to have a strong message for young girls - try to dress and look like a Barbie Doll, and you will be cool!

  47. Financial Times columnist, my ass by Jtheletter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Wow, I wish I could work full time talking a load of hypothetical crap out of my ass like Thomas Hazlett.

    Yes, I agree that with a la carte pricing very likely the individual cost of channels will increase, for a number of reasons including re-pricing, industry-imposed "technology fees" to implement the change (which are mostly bullshit anyway, just like the $0.85 fee for number portability I'll be charged for the rest of my cellular-using life), etc. However, the only way you will end up paying more is if you elect to retain most of the channels you have now. The central idea to this a la carte movement is that people don't want, need, or use all of the channels they get now and would pay less by using less, even with an average higher per-channel cost.

    As to Mr. Hazlett's wonderful analogy of two subscribers both getting half the channels for the same price as before after the new pricing scheme - it's based on the unscalable assumption that new pricing will be based on the idea that each subscriber will choose a subset of channels not chosen by any other subscriber.
    In other words, yes, when you have less than 10 ppl holding up a hypothetical market, the economies of that market will dictate rediculous price hikes, but we're not talking about 2 or 10 or 1000 customers here, we're talking hundreds of millions. If a la carte goes into effect my prices are not going to go from roughly $1 per channel now to $85 per channel, more likely something on the order of 150% to 400% inflation, depending on what the market will bear.

    And his rhetoric about viewing those extra channels you don't really care for as "freebies" to surf through just pisses me off. Let's face it, no matter how broad your viewing tastes there are going to be some channels that each household will never view, "freebie" or no. I'm not into sports, so the 12 sports channels I get are totally wasted on me. All sports, all day you say? Well then I press Menu, Channel, Delete - problem solved, I won't even have to waste an extra thumb press as I surf to what I do want to watch.

    And the final thing in his article, at the very end, that pisses me off to no end is this bit right here: The political reaction to the illusion of higher prices. I understand that from an economics professor point of view where we talk about product value not just price, that yes, the higher prices are illusory. But this ain't no lecture hall, this is the real fucking world. Bottom line is that my cable bill went up 5 real dollars per month as of March. So whether your tattered Econ 1 book says this is all in my head or not is irrelevant, I'm still out $5 for the tennis channel and two Lifetime channels, $5 that could go towards something way more important, like my gas tank.
    But gas prices are a rant for another day.

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    -- I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist. It's not my fault that life sucks so much. --
  48. I have a la carte now! by t_pet422 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have a la carte programming right now. It's called bittorrent. It works like a charm and it's included in the cost of my high speed Internet.

  49. Re:Potentially a Good Idea, But Suceptible To Abus by bechthros · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to be too off-topic but... My last experience buying cable (not even TV, just roadrunner) will probably be my last. It took SIX VISITS from different techs to get the damn thing to work. Script for visits 1-5 follows:

    Me: So you're here to hook up our roadrunner?
    Tech: Yes. I've just got to go out to the box and do some stuff...
    [thirty minutes pass]
    Me: So, is our roadrunner working yet?
    Tech: No. Your house is too big and has too many Digital Cable Receivers on too many splitters. There's no way this will work.
    Me: can't you just bring another feed into the attic, since I'm a renter and that's where I live?
    Tech: No, we can only have one feed per house.
    Me: But the person on the phone said many people on our block have the same service. They're charging us right now for the service you are saying your company can't provide.
    Tech: This won't work and I'm leaving now.

    As you can imagine, the people on the phone were in a different country than the techs were (guess which one! go on, guess!) and apparently didn't read from the same script... I had a seven day weekend and spend six of those days waiting for time warner's bitch asses... After complaining to the point where they gave us free stuff on top of free stuff, they finally sent a team out to rewire the entire house for free, at which point they found that the problem was... ...the house was too big and there was no way this could work. Oh wait, actually the *real* problem turned out to be that the feed to our house was behind a bunch of splitters INSIDE THE BOX ON THE POLE!!!

    Never, ever, again... They can put ten million commercials on TV advertising roadrnuner and ondemand and all these high-speed services that they simply don't have the infrastructure to provide, and have no intention of having the infrastructure to provide. You know, I can remember a time when shit like this was fucking illegal. Let's hear it for deregulation, friend of the consumer!

    Bastards.

  50. A La Carte == Bad Idea by Dolohov · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First off, the economic argument, which has been made a million times. If people can get their popular channels alone, then most of the homes in America will get ESPN, Fox News and the Bass Fishing channel. Channels like Cartoon Network, Sci-Fi, etc. will just crash and burn.

    It's a basic positive feedback loop. 100 people are given a la carte cable. Only 12 of them pick channel X, while 60 of them pick channel Y. Channel X is going to be more expensive. Of those 12, certain of them are going to decide that it's just not worth the extra expense -- after all, channels like Y are good enough, and less expensive. X gets more expensive. In fact, it gets too expensive for some people, who decide to forgo it in favor of watching it at a friend's house, or just renting the DVDs of their favorite shows. Furthermore, as X gets more expensive, fewer and fewer people will be willing to pick it up just to try it out, and parents aren't going to be willing to pick it up for their kids. It might spread by word of mouth, but with very few eyeballs watching, there will be very few mouths talking...

    Which leads to the social point, which is more compelling with news channels, but applies elsewhere. There is something wrong with telling people that they can elect to not have the option of seeing information they don't think they'll be interested in, and save money in the deal. Right now, if my parents got this a la carte deal, they'd get Fox News and drop CNN. The trouble is, while they don't admit it, they do occasionally flip to CNN just out of idle curiosity, to see if maybe Fox isn't being so straight about things.

    If you reward people for reducing their information diet, you're going to wind up with a whole lot of people who just don't understand why anyone thinks differently than they do. You'll wind up with a whole lot of people who never satiate a vague interest in history or science or cooking that might otherwise grow. You'll wind up with a bunch of people who think it's really odd that adults watch cartoons...

    I'd prefer to stay with the bundling, thanks. People may not take advantage of the opportunity to broaden their horizons, but we sure as hell shouldn't be rewarding those who choose to keep theirs narrow.

    1. Re:A La Carte == Bad Idea by Dolohov · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If channel X is geared toward a majority group, and is not popular, fine. But the definition of "minority" involves there not being very many of them. That means that a channel popular with a minority (and let's face it, geeks are a minority) is going to be considered "unpopular" and probably axed. The cost of the programming does not go up -- but nor does it go down, and in order to support the channel, whose expense is orthogonal to its viewership, then that smaller number of viewers would bear an increased share of the burden, simply by virtue of being a minority with minority interests.

      In the US, our society has repeatedly made the decision that a little extra expense and annoyance is worth it for the sake of maintaining diversity and protecting the rights and comfort of minority groups. Cable bundling is not only just about the least of those expenses, it is the one that you and your friends are most likely to benefit from.

    2. Re:A La Carte == Bad Idea by evilviper · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Channels like Cartoon Network, Sci-Fi, etc. will just crash and burn.

      There's a simple way out. Don't charge companies to carry your channel! Cable TV has more advertising than free, broadcast TV anyhow, so the $4/month that they are charging is out of line, and unnecessary. Then, people may only pay to get Fox News, but they'll still get Cartoon Network, SciFi, etc., because there is no additional cost to them. Alternatively, they could just make their price much lower than the competition, so now Disney and Nick may be forced to compete on content and price. That's the much more consumer friendly way to do it.

      The fact is, there are no good options. People want a way to tell companies that they aren't going to put up with the crap they broadcast, and this is a way to do it.

      The fact that cable TV prices are on the rise is an issue as well. People are getting sick and tired of paying for 50 channels that they NEVER watch (and you do pay for them).

      If you've got a better way to address these issues, speak up. Saying our current system is just fine, flies in the face of reality. Saying that we should be forced to watch channels we don't want is also something few would agree with.

      People have been able to form their own reality for a long time now. Reading only the books they like, getting information from only the news papers they want, staying within the social circles they prefer, etc. Forcing somebody to have CNN on their channel lineup doesn't make society any better. If someone is that diluted, they can maintain their own reality in the face of anything.
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  51. Re:Another Idea (OT) by Bastian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. Newspapers. Duh. (Granted, from an environmental standpoint I much prefer the idea of electronic news sources, which can be superior to either one depending on your attention span.)

    2. A lot of news is completely useless if you don't have an understanding of what it means. TV generally fails on this - there's only so much information you can provide when you have to cram each story into a minute or two time slot. Some magazine programs on TV and radio do a better job, but books are really the only forum that allows enough space to really explore all of the subtleties that are involved in current events.

    Granted, whether or not that matters really depends on if you're interested in being current for the sake of voyeurism or if you're trying to keep up in the world for the sake of making informed political decisions.

    If it's for the former, Fox News, The Register, etc. are fine and dandy. If it's for the latter, you darn well better have a basic understanding of, say, modern economic theory (and hopefully some alternative economic ideas) before you start trying to make opinions on anything pertaining to economic policy.

  52. K Band fun by MajorDick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A few years ago Roadway the trucking company had a store here in Akron where they are based it was called Rex salvage, Roadway was self insured so if something got damaged lost etc it ended up for sale there. I bought a whole K band dish (about 6 ft accross) tuner and all that jazz. Wow was it cool I had cable too but at the time K Band was used mostly for live feeds etc generally high quality and unencrypted. I am a news junkie so I loved I I saw stuff way before the general public and generally unedited. show were sparse and feed on them were wild but I could never helo feeling like a redneck with the dish in the backyard.

  53. Re:Government overstepping its bounds by KD5YPT · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like something a dictatorial nation might do...

    Required programming...
    1. Hail to our leader.
    2. The Pro of Terrorists.
    3. Long Live our Leader.
    4. The Good Life in *What ever country this is*.

    Hm... I won't want that...

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  54. it's about time. by unclefungus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    for years I have been willing to pay more for telev ision where I don't have to watch commercials or even the golf channel. BET has to be a bad one also. I am even willing to pay for basic cable plus 1$ per channel that I want, just to not recieve the channels I don't want. I hope this trend continues.

  55. but it would let programming justify its rates by brre · · Score: 2, Insightful
    One problem that ala carte channels would solve very well: it would let programming providers justify their costs directly to subscribers.

    Case in point: the recent slapfight between Viacom and Dish. The problem wasn't that Viacom was charging too much, or Dish was trying to pay too little. The problem was, Viacom got to look like the injured party, and Dish got to look the ogre, taking goodies from subscribers but raising their rates when programming costs went up. With ala carte programming, if Viacom wants to raise rates for its channels, Dish can pass along those costs on those channels only, with perhaps a note to subscribers that this was a decision by Viacom and there are other channels on the Dish lineup for subscribers who wish to move their dollars.

    I would think over the long haul that this would provide an incentive for programming providers to price their products more competitively.

  56. a bigger problem by simishag · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...perhaps, is the fact that MANY of these bundled stations run "paid programming" for 4 to 8 hours a day. So we're all paying for air time that has already been paid for. I'd be more inclined to give the cable companies a pass if they made an honest effort to utilize all of the monopoly power they've been given. But when 25% of my stations are showing infomercials at any given time, I get pretty pissed about my cable bill. Why bother with 200 stations when all the real programming could fit in 100 or so?

  57. Re:Convergence by cabra771 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You bring up something that got some wheels turning in my head. Ala carte internet access. Some point in the future you can choose certain internet access "packages" or choose which major sites you would like to have access to for a flat monthly fee. Say you wanted the news package. You'd pay 9.95 a month for access to 50 or so major news websites. Or you could just go through a catalog of websites and choose which ones you want for like 50 cents each a month. Part of the payment would go to the website, most to the ISPs. Kind of like ordering a subscription.

    Just thinking out loud. I like my internet access just the way it is (but could be much faster).

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  58. Re:if it doens't back fire by August_zero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I say art will you leave me alone?

    OK I guess not, but consider this: The most popular TV shows are all sitcoms and reality shows. Are you going to pay for any cable if the only thing that gets shown on any network is a sitcom or a reality show? What is your 5 favorite movies, or 5 favorite tv shows? Would you be ok if they got the axe because most people didn't like them?

    Majority Rules is not a good way to produce much of anything least of all television, film or music. I am not defending the crap that is on TV, nor am I saying that only having to pay for the half dozen or so channels that I like is a bad idea, I am just saying that when you let the majority decide what you are going to watch, you better like midget dating and new episodes of survivor and friends because that is all you are going to be getting anytime soon.

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  59. Marginal Revolution by madro · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This probably comes too late to the discussion, but I haven't seen anyone mention the analysis from the econ blog Marginal Revolution.
    Why are consumers forced to buy a bundle? Cable companies claim that choice would require expensive boxes, but few observers believe this claim.

    More plausibly, price discrimination is at work. Consider a simple example with two individuals. John values Disney at $100 a year and FoxNews at $10 a year; Sally has the reverse valuations. Without bundling, the cable company will offer each channel for about $99, and sell a channel to each consumer, reaping $198 in revenue (N.B.: I am assuming that the cable company has a good idea of demand in general, although it cannot identify which consumer is willing to pay how much for what.)

    In lieu of this set up, sell the bundle for $109 to each consumer, reaping a greater revenue of $218. The company makes greater profit.

    More importantly, aggregate welfare is higher. In this case each consumer receives two channels instead of one.

    Monopolies, regulated or otherwise, tend to bundle commodities when demands are scattered and the marginal cost of additional service is low. In this context, once the program is made, you can sell it cheaply to additional customers. So why not try to get the entire package into everyone's hands?

    You can spin your own numbers, with varying results, but the overall lesson is clear. While there is a general problem with monopoly in the cable market, bundling can make that problem better rather than worse. So don't complain next time you have to "click-remote" through those Farsi and exercise channels.
    1. Re:Marginal Revolution by Dolohov · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd be surprised. Did you know that the Bass Fishing Channel is one of the most popular on cable? Similarly, my relatives are astounded that Cartoon Network has any viewers over the age of ten.

      Examine your cable company's channel schemes sometime, particularly the "extended" package. Most of the channels there were selected because they are highly valued by some small segment of the population who would otherwise be happy with basic cable. (Which I personally find pure evil. I may be happy with the concept of bundling, but the practice of it often leaves much to be desired!)