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Open Park Project Gives Free Wi-Fi to Capitol Hill

mindless4210 writes "The Open Park Project has made free Wi-Fi internet access available to anyone around the Supreme Court, Library of Congress, and Capitol Visitor's Center. "It's a hotspot for democracy," said Greg Staple, Open Park's co-founder. The non-profit organization has also received a significant donation of Wi-Fi equipment from Tropos Networks, which it plans to use to establish a mesh of free hotspots across the National Mall."

134 comments

  1. #1 Spammer HotSpot by GetPFunky · · Score: 1, Funny

    #1 Capitol Hill -- How's that for Free Speech!

    1. Re:#1 Spammer HotSpot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the city of Fredericton (the 'capitol' of a New Brunswick; a small (not rich) Canadian provence) has had its downtown setup with free high speed wireless for half a year now. A major bonus for off-campus students of the local university if they can get an apartment in the right area. New Brunswick: Believe it, or not.

    2. Re:#1 Spammer HotSpot by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      RIAA sues Capitol Hill
      Bulldozer appears on National Mall

  2. Yet another Library of Congress joke by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 3, Funny

    What kind of bandwidth can you get on the WiFi, measured by Libraries of Congress?

    First correct reply gets a cookie.

    1. Re:Yet another Library of Congress joke by Carnildo · · Score: 0

      "Libraries of Congress"? There's only one Library of Congress you can measure it next to!

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    2. Re:Yet another Library of Congress joke by tcgwebs · · Score: 0, Troll

      Sorry. My browser is set not to accept cookies.

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    3. Re:Yet another Library of Congress joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Mmmmm cookie.


      What was the question again????

    4. Re:Yet another Library of Congress joke by kayen_telva · · Score: 1

      "Libraries" as in how many Library of Congresseseses He said it correctly. I think :)

    5. Re:Yet another Library of Congress joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are libraries what groups of Congressaurus are called?

  3. sounds great by stonebeat.org · · Score: 3, Funny

    now I can receive SPAM while I am around Supreme Court, Library of Congress, and Capitol Visitor's Center.
    On the positive side, I can go in the supreme court sue the spammer.

    1. Re:sounds great by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Better yet... a Spammer can take his laptop onto the steps of Congress and Spam away...

    2. Re:sounds great by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      Any public hotspot that doesn't block outbound port 25 or transparent proxy to a rate limited SMTP server is dumb.

    3. Re:sounds great by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1
      On the positive side, I can go in the supreme court sue the spammer.

      Not usually. You'd need to start in a lower court and work your way up. It's very unlikely your spam case would ever reach the Supreme Court.

  4. Hopefully it will be more secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Than the democrats judiciary server :P

  5. How much you wanna bet... by JessLeah · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...it's being monitored by the gummint? ;)

    1. Re:How much you wanna bet... by KrispyKringle · · Score: 1

      I betcha plenty of Senators don't use SSL on their e-mail clients.

    2. Re:How much you wanna bet... by Mattwolf7 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I'd say it isn't

      The Open Park Project (Open Park) is a new Washington D.C. non-profit organization founded to bring wireless Internet access to the public and the museum community on the National Mall.
      Internet backhaul services for Open Park are provided by DCAccess, Capitol Hill's first Wireless Internet Service Provider (WISP).
      This is some random group of geeks who are providing a great service to everyone in Washington
    3. Re:How much you wanna bet... by FingerDemon · · Score: 1

      So what? You get to eavesdrop on their dirty Instant Messages to the interns?

      #1gov: What are you wearing?
      senatechick: Not now, I'm working.
      #1gov: A pants suit? Mmmmm I'll bet its tight.

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  6. "It's a hotspot for democracy" by Neil+Blender · · Score: 1


    What a soundbite!

    1. Re:"It's a hotspot for democracy" by Crashless · · Score: 1

      That has got to be one of the worst puns I've read today. Right up there with all those writers who bit and ran headlines "skype hype" a couple of weeks ago...morons.

    2. Re:"It's a hotspot for democracy" by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

      now all we need is the democracy - the 'free speech' of the monied class keeps drowning out the majority.

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  7. Looks like.. by Caedar · · Score: 1

    Starbucks is going to lose some business.

    1. Re:Looks like.. by Jason1729 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sounds good to me. Last time I checked, starbucks WiFi access on a monthly basis was more expensive than my broadband, and for shorter lengths of time it's even worse. $10 for 1 day of access. The 10 cents/minute plan sounds good until you read the fine print and see it's a 1 hour minimum charge; so it's $6 just to check your email.

      Jason
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  8. ahh I can see it now by nizo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hordes of geeky types hanging around the Mall with their laptops trying to hack into Senator's and each other's PCs.

    1. Re:ahh I can see it now by TheDisturbedOne · · Score: 1

      Or...just more pr0n surfing in/around the mall... =P But really, more hotspots might be a good thing.

    2. Re:ahh I can see it now by tcgwebs · · Score: 0, Insightful

      And the senators that know nothing about computer security won't even know what hit them once we get the geek types trying to hack into government computers. When the tech people do find out though, they haven't got a huge radius to search to deliver a subpoena for the geeks' laptops. Anyone read Digital Fortress by Dan Brown? I can only imagine what the government could do about these hacker types operating on the government home turf.

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    3. Re:ahh I can see it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is like we are going back in time, it is like Hackers the movie, but now we dont have to look like dorks standing in a phone booth. bluenet

    4. Re:ahh I can see it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PLease Mod This Jerk Down

      His Posts are SPAM

  9. Yea! by scifience · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I can anonymously hack into the government while sitting right in front of a government building!

    1. Re:Yea! by nizo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Or surf pr0n sites, hey this way congresscritters can surf safely outside the firewall during lunch hour!

    2. Re:Yea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way I'm going to use free federally-sponsored internet from in front of a federal building is with my tinfoil hat on.

    3. Re:Yea! by Cy+Guy · · Score: 1

      You've actually been able to do that for almost nine months now in the courtyard of the FCC's office on 12th St. SW, just south of the National Mall. Though, per their press release they seem to frown on the hacking part.

  10. Battery Life or Outdoor Outlet by kyoko21 · · Score: 1

    Now all we need is extended battery life, or add some more outdoor outlets so not to drain on my battery :-0

  11. Free Access? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "free Wi-Fi internet access available to anyone around the Supreme Court, Library of Congress, and Capitol Visitor's Center."

    That's all we need: A flock of music pirates, child porographers, warez people, movie pirates, huge doom or quake mulitplayers all in one area...

    Hmmm actually, it sounds like a party, lets go!

    1. Re:Free Access? by eclectro · · Score: 1

      That's all we need: A flock of music pirates, child porographers, warez people, movie pirates, huge doom or quake mulitplayers all in one area..

      Just one thing - I don't think congressmen play quake/doom.

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    2. Re:Free Access? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's all we need: A flock of music pirates, child porographers, warez people, movie pirates, huge doom or quake mulitplayers all in one area...

      We already have most of the big-time criminals in the country in that area, so why not the online ones too :).

    3. Re:Free Access? by irokitt · · Score: 1

      I know I was playing online the other day ans saw someone name JoeLieberman. Close enough, I gues;)

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    4. Re:Free Access? by ShadowRage · · Score: 1

      well for the majority of that group, at least al the country's criminals will all be in one spot (including the politicians)

  12. Democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    How exactly is it a hotspot for democracy?

  13. kismet time! by crstophr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Time to get the nice 10db 802.11 antenna up on the jeep, park nearby and soak up the packets!

    1.) Park Car/hangout with laptop, with linux->kismet->dsniff
    2.) Soak up logins/passwords, web surfing (pr0n), instant messaging habits of congressmen, aids, lobbyists etc
    3.) PROFIT!

    1. Re:kismet time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Soak up logins/passwords, web surfing (pr0n), instant messaging habits of congressmen, aids, lobbyists etc

      Login: W
      Password: god

      W: wut up al...r u still d bitch?
      4LG0r3: lol. ur gonna get pwned muh fuxa..i invented dis intanizzle n00b.
      W: spaek inglsih dumma$$

    2. Re:kismet time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feared the moment someone actually fills in the ???s in this joke. Looking at parent post, I was right...

    3. Re:kismet time! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I should think I'd not want to try something like that in the heart of Washington. Some nice men in well pressed suits might come and ask you a few questions.

      Then again, maybe you could do it and never even get noticed since they'd just assume you're one of them. :-P

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    4. Re:kismet time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except the men in question usually can't be bothered to get out of their air conditioned SUVs

  14. Interesting by NEOtaku17 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sounds like a prime location for some internal investigating...Maybe the FBI has a wireless varient of the "Carnivore" blackbox.

  15. Re:Hot spot by jag7720 · · Score: 1

    Bad speller.. Who cares... maybe that is why no one cares about my hot spot.

  16. one question by LinuxBSDNotSCO · · Score: 1

    how much money does it cost to use?

    1. Re:one question by Neil+Blender · · Score: 1

      how much money does it cost to use?

      What part of free don't you understand? Other than all that free as in budwieser and Free as in America fries or whatever they keep blathering on about the different types of free here at Slashdot. Now I'm confused too.

  17. Re:Hot spot by trentblase · · Score: 1

    So give us details, man! Address, SSID, encryption key. I'll submit the story myself.

  18. Pervasiveness by bih · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the arguments for government censorship of broadcast television and radio is 'pervasiveness'. That is, since radio and television broadcast signals can come into the home 'uninvited' and received into the eyes and ears of children, the government must provide a filter. As free Wi-Fi access points like this become more ubiquitous, giving internet access a similar pervasiveness, it will be interesting to see if internet censorship gains more support.

    1. Re:Pervasiveness by Hatta · · Score: 1

      As free Wi-Fi access points like this become more ubiquitous, giving internet access a similar pervasiveness...

      Please, for a hot spot to be of any use to you, you have to have a laptop, PDA, or similar contraption. If you can afford one, there's no real barrier to getting internet access yourself, so this is no vanguard of social change. It's a tool that will only be used by the technological elite.

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    2. Re:Pervasiveness by Mattwolf7 · · Score: 1
      Yes, but he is saying the government could still use it as an excuse to impose the same regulations that the FCC has on radio and broadcast tv.

      Like it or not the government wants control and will find lame reasons to do it.

    3. Re:Pervasiveness by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 1

      So you're saying there's a bunch of wireless digital pr0n flying through my body right now? I don't feel anything. Must not be very good.

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    4. Re:Pervasiveness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get why so many conspiracy theorists say that, "The government want's control". I see much greater evidence that the government is lazy and doesn't want to do anything. The only time "control" laws are passed is when there is some large chunk of people shouting about how "it'll hurt the children".

    5. Re:Pervasiveness by buxton2k · · Score: 1

      The argument for government regulation isn't really just that it's persvasive. It's first that the radio and television is public, and leased to broadcasters, so the public can put some restrictions on what the broadcasters say and do (including, for example, requiring public service announcements to be aired). Secondly, and I think more of what you're getting at, is that radio and television are sort of "push" technologies. You make the choice to turn on the TV, but you don't necessarily know what the channel will be broadcasting, so you (or an unsupervised child) could walk into something you don't like (or is inappropriate for children). Wireless internet just means you can get your internet in more places; you still have to seek out a website with offensive material. While there might be problems of unsupervised children, that's not unique to wireless access.

  19. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hotspot number 5,000,001 opens in Anytown, USA.

  20. Oh great, this is all we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Imagine all the unecrypted government secrets floating around.

  21. w00t! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's time to wardrive for fun and secrets!

  22. Security courses by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Insightful
    With all the free WiFi access on the hill, I hope someone makes sure that all members of government, their staff and government employees are given a good course on security? (Hopefully given by nuns with rulers.)

    They've been pretty dangerous with LANs, I don't want to think about open/poorly encrypted WiFi.

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    1. Re:Security courses by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Funny

      The network admin at one of my former jobs was a Nun with a ruler (Sisters of Providence Medical Center). The tightest network operation I've ever seen.

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    2. Re:Security courses by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Techno-Nuns with present-day Gom-Jabbars, yow!

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    3. Re:Security courses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope they all get a free WiFi enabled notebooks from someone. Perhaps they would want to use it in whole DC and thus support spreading the network.

    4. Re:Security courses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They haven't been "pretty dangerous with LANs," you've simply read about every security failure on your blogs and your Slashdot. Nobody writes stories when the government has good security.

  23. The AUP by Artega+VH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just some interesting points from their AUP:

    "Open Park supports the free flow of information and ideas over the Internet." but conversely
    "THE USE OF THE SERVICE FOR THE FOLLOWING ACTIVITIES IS PROHIBITED:"

    * "Obscene or Indecent Speech or Materials"

    * "Defamatory or Abusive Language" (we aren't allowed to swear?)

    * "Forging of Headers" does this mean I can't change my User Agent ID to pretend to be M$IE?

    * "Hacking" - I can't program?!? oh wait they mean cracking: "Accessing illegally or without authorization computers, accounts, equipment or networks belonging to another party, or attempting to penetrate security measures of another system." but for some reason it doesn't allow alot of network diagnostic tools to be used: "This includes any activity...including, but not limited to, port scans, stealthscans, or other information gathering activity."

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    It seems to be the following would be more appropriate: You are not to use our network to do anything illegal or take "actions that may lead to liability for Open Park".

    Why can't they just say that instead of all this legalese mumbo jumbo?

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    1. Re:The AUP by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I'm not a lawyer, how am I to know what causes liability for an ISP? Hell, with the thousands of laws on the books, I'm not absolutely sure anything I do is perfectly legal.

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    2. Re:The AUP by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Defamatory or Abusive doesn't mean Obscene, that's been covered already. It means you're talking shit about someone. Well, abusive does. Defamatory would be talking shit and lying. For example, abusive would be saying dubya looks like a money when he talks, because he does. Defamatory would be saying he's a cokehead. Er, wait...

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    3. Re:The AUP by B747SP · · Score: 1
      Defamatory or Abusive doesn't mean Obscene, that's been covered already. It means you're talking shit about someone.

      No no, get it right... it's like this...

      • Defamatory - talking shit about someone.
      • Abusive - talking shit at someone

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  24. The Walls Have Ears by BrownDwarf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lots of folks besides the USG will have their ears perked right up. Israel, China, and the Soviets come to mind.

    1. Re:The Walls Have Ears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The soviets?

    2. Re:The Walls Have Ears by Yeti7226 · · Score: 2

      The Soviet Union folded over a decade ago.

  25. Oh Yeah by ONOIML8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like the terrorists and our other enemies won't be sifting through that network data looking for gold.

    Sorry, maybe I read too much bad sci-fi. It just seems to me that this free stuff, while it might be a wonderful thing, could be used against someone pretty easily.

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    1. Re:Oh Yeah by sadler121 · · Score: 1

      I know where talking about polticians here, so this most likly would not apply to them, but you can encrypt everything you send wirelessly. A good simple PGP key would do the trick.

      Sadly our polticians are so inept they wouldn't even think to do this, and if they did, it would be the most inefficient and easiest to hack encryption on the planet! ;-)

  26. Ummm... it's not for gov't employees by Theatetus · · Score: 1

    Congresspeople and their staffs aren't going to be using this for Internet access, people. It's for tourists and such. Capitol Hill and most of non-residential northwest DC are pretty rife with hotspots already, anyways.

    Mad props to the first person who warchalks the reflecting pool when it's drained...

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    1. Re:Ummm... it's not for gov't employees by raju1kabir · · Score: 1
      Capitol Hill and most of non-residential northwest DC are pretty rife with hotspots already, anyways.

      So is residential NW DC.

      There are only a handful of blocks along the 20-some block walk down 16th St from my place to the White House where I can't get a usable WEP-free signal.

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  27. Keep Working on It by Fortress · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is good, but I can't wait until WiFi coverage is as ubiquitous as, say, cell phone coverage. I wouldn't mind paying a per-packet fee for near universal wireless access. Who will fund this project? My guess would be wireless providers, they already have their foot in the door.

    That said, some issues must be solved first. WiFi security is still too lax, and uneducated users only make it worse. We need a truly idiot-proof security protocol - the problem is that idiots are so ingenious ;-P

    1. Re:Keep Working on It by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      What sort of per-packet fee were you thinking of? $0.01 per packet? Seems rather expensive to me.

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    2. Re:Keep Working on It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is. Most of the cell phone providers offer data services; you can buy a ~$400 PCMCIA wireless modem from your cell provider and then pay ~$1/kb to transfer data.

    3. Re:Keep Working on It by sfe_software · · Score: 1

      That said, some issues must be solved first. WiFi security is still too lax, and uneducated users only make it worse. We need a truly idiot-proof security protocol...

      I would think that it would be difficult to provide a nation-wide wireless service using 802.11b (or g), given that this is unlicensed spectrum. If a particular area had all available channels used up already by local networks, the telcom companies can't just come in and take over the spectrum, as they have no more rights to it than anyone else.

      However, a band that is licensed for such use would be good (think Ricochet) for a similar service. It wouldn't be the same as stumbling on free/open hotspots, but they could license the spectrum and deploy it nation-wide, much like is currently done with cell phones.

      I would personally welcome something like this, providing they used relatively open protocols (eg, the card/device necessary for access would work under Linux, *BSD, etc).

      Ricochet had a good idea, but IIRC not enough demand and/or funding to pull it off (the 128k limit IMO wasn't too bad, though these days it'd have to be a bit faster to really catch on).

      Free hotspots will always have their place, but for a pay-for-access service a new protocol, using a different (and licensed) spectrum, is necessary. The protocol would have its authentication and (hopefully) encryption handled at a low level (hardware level ideally), and just as importantly would not interfere with the unlicensed spectrum.

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    4. Re:Keep Working on It by burns210 · · Score: 1

      you would pay per PACKET? how many packets did it take to load just the frontpage of /.?! a fraction of a cent per packet just isnt' worth the work it would take to track it all... have it be an addition to your cellphone plan or at an equivalent price if they could get equivalent coverage.

  28. World's Biggest Honeypot. by br0d · · Score: 1

    Head downtown! Stick your hand in the jar! Tasty! Jailed! Arrowed!

  29. I am surprised.. by dj245 · · Score: 1
    I am surprised that the congressmen didn't demand this and vote it in. After voting for their payraise, voting for their health care service, and voting for their "I served in congress and all I got was this lousy BMW" t-shirts, You would think they would demand hotspots anywhere they would happen to wander.

    Senators got needs too!

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  30. Just When I Move Out of DC... by SeinJunkie · · Score: 1
    I guess all it takes for DC to become more technologically bonifide is me moving out of state.

    WiFi hotspots downtown were virtually non-existent for a long time. I don't really think these are going to get used by anyone for business, though. Probably more geared for tourists, like everything in DC.

    1. Re:Just When I Move Out of DC... by raju1kabir · · Score: 1
      WiFi hotspots downtown were virtually non-existent for a long time.

      Virtually nonexistent?

      I've been surfing at McPherson Square for at least a year and a half. I can think of a dozen corners that have had wifi for a year or more.

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  31. Instead of Japanese tourists and their cameras... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it'll be Chinese tourists and their Pringles cans.

  32. Trojan virus at this link? by Thurmont · · Score: 2, Informative

    I noticed after I clicked on the link "free Wi-Fi internet access available" my Norton AV said it quarantined the Trojan Virus Trojan.Mitglieder.I located in my IE Temp folder.

    So clicked back twice to get my default webpage, I cleared my cached internet files, clicked on my Slashdot fav link, and then on the link in the story again. Immediately again, Norton pops up and says it quarantined that Trojan.

    Is anyone else having this happen from this Dailywireless.com webpage?

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    1. Re:Trojan virus at this link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, does the same thing to me.

  33. Hot-Spot for Democracy? by SetupWeasel · · Score: 1

    Skip this whole wireless internet thing. I want to donate money to a literacy fund to help the Supreme Court Justices read the Constitution they are supposed to be protecting. Maybe if that's successful we can raise money for Congress and the President too!

    Leave no politician behind!

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  34. I've got an idea ... by mscdex · · Score: 1, Troll

    Hey, maybe we could go over there and hook up to the wifi connection and share some songs via P2P. That way the RIAA will try to sue the government, and the government will realize just how stupid the RIAA is acting.

  35. Sunbaked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, this open parks idea is such a stupid waste of resources. (hold on that flame bate just a sec please)...

    There are so many reasons why this is as romantic and ill advised as a manned mission to Mars. While it seems like a geeks dream to have the best of both worlds: being outside yet still completely immersed in your own anti-social world, here are some reasons why this is soooo misguided.

    1. People generally go to parks to get out. This means generally doing something they cant get from being indoors. Other than cruzing the internet for a restaurant location, browsing is not high on the parks use list.

    2. When people go the park it is generally sunny. Until my laptop/pda has a dual "digital ink"/lcd monitor I cant see a thing on my computer in the sun.

    3. Sometimes it rains in the park. Nuf said.

    4. Wireless networks are more useful in the office and home where you want ot be able to set up a computer with network service ad hoc without the hastle of having to run 20 feet of wire to the nearest router.

    5. FREE Wireless could be most useful in helping break the rediculous monopolies on broadband access that the cable and dsl companies hold.

    Thanks for holding, and sorry about the spelling issues.

    1. Re:Sunbaked by kb1827 · · Score: 2, Informative

      5. FREE Wireless could be most useful in helping break the rediculous monopolies on broadband access that the cable and dsl companies hold.

      openpark IS free.

      good other 4 points, however...openpark in the future could be accessed from say, the washington monument to get directions to a restraunt, to upload images from a protest on the mall...etc :)

  36. So what? by doombob · · Score: 1

    I'd like to know how I'm supposed to access free WiFi if I don't have a laptop. Some of us poor college students can only afford an old K6-2 500 MHz machine that only has an ethernet card because someone gave it to me (it's not actually that bad, but close). I think that they should worry about getting people the technology first, and then worry about utilizing it to the fullest. I really think that projects like this as weel as the government should be more worried about suppling something like free dialup or discounted computers to people who can't afford it.

    1. Re:So what? by op00to · · Score: 2

      Stop whining. Get a job. Steal a laptop. Do something about it.

    2. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to know how I'm supposed to access free WiFi if I don't have a laptop.

      Uh, a long extension cord?

  37. I can imagine.... by ShadowRage · · Score: 1

    that the politicians will only be using this as a way to get online, not actually use it for networking for private documents.

  38. Otherwise known as.... by Penguinshit · · Score: 2, Funny


    ...the testing grounds for "Carnivore II".

  39. Use of Limited Resource by pavon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is also the weaker of the arguments. While some radio waves come into you house uninvited, they are not recieved by your eyes unless you deliberately invite the signal to be displayed on your television. Really what this argument is saying is that it is okay to sell whatever you want but should be restricted from giving certain things away, which is rubbish.

    The stronger argument is that the broadcast frequencies are limited resource owned collectively by the people and thus regulated according to the will of the people.

    With broadcast television, only one person can broadcast on a single frequency, and thus the number of broadcasters is limited. Therfore, content is also limited and thus suitable to be regulated by the will of the people.

    However, this is not the case with the WiFi. While the airwaves it is using are a limited resource, the content is not. Therefore regulating the proper use of the airwaves is justified, but regulating the content is not.

    Furthermore, the very fact that there are a limited number of broadcast TV, and an unlimited number of websites makes it possible to censor broadcast TV and makes completely impossible to censor the web. So not only is the argument flawed, any attempts to do so will have no real effect (except for creating more unevenly applied laws).

  40. maybe it's time to server those MP3s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If anyone living near the capital, let bittorent via wifi

  41. Re:Free for the home that is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Yeah - uh, I mean that some focus should be given to creating a public wireless network that reaches homes and offices. I'm a little bias since I am in NYC, but at least in dense urban areas there would be a high return on investment. I would be happy to give my $600 a year in cable fees to a public wireless project that reaches residences. While its FREE in the parks its not going to be widely used.

    I do stand corrected - slightly. I forgot about the great use of having a wireless network for rapid assembly/ group mobilization. Protests using wireless to dynamically adjust to changing security/ police opression conditions would be interesting. If you had the coordination. ...ok...now I am putting myself to sleep.

  42. W00T, new Kazaa swapping node ? by Archfeld · · Score: 2, Funny

    now our congress-aliens can sit in the park, with 10 security agents of course and work remotely, that is if they can in fact operate a computer. What is gonna be even more fun is when the RIAA sue's someone using one of those IP's for music pirating :) That might be the ONLY to get congress out of the RIAA's back-pocket, have them bite the hand that is force feeding them like barn raised veal...

    --
    errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
  43. ain't gonna happen by mapmaker · · Score: 1

    Try loitering in this neighborhood in a parked car, with some funny/suspicious looking dohicky on the roof, while staring intently at an unseen gizmo in your lap, and you'll get a visit from some armed friends in less time than it takes you to yell "Help, help, I'm being repressed!"

    And you should see what they do to the poor saps that accidentally come into the neighborhood in a rented moving van. Hoo boy!

    1. Re:ain't gonna happen by dcgaber · · Score: 1

      You live on the Hill too? I wonder if this extends out to 4th street, where I am. If I was not moving in 2 weeks, this would be enough incentive to finally get a wireless card.

    2. Re:ain't gonna happen by mapmaker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, I'm just outside the "compound" on New Jersey SE.

      I checked out the hotspot description and map on thier website. It's located on the eastern edge of the Capitol grounds opposite the Supreme Court, and they say coverage just barely reaches the Jefferson Building of the LOC next door. So it's pretty much useless unless you're sitting on the steps of the Supreme Court or on the 7 square feet of the Capitol grounds that aren't a huge construction pit.

      I guess they picked this location as their first hotspot because it's the "center of democracy" and blah blah blah. But rom a practical standpoint it's not a very useful location. Their #2 hotspot out on the mall will be much more useful.

    3. Re:ain't gonna happen by dcgaber · · Score: 1

      Ahh, thats BS, I am 2 blocks behind the SC, so that is out of range i guess.

      Too bad GU law school encrypts their wi-fi or you could snag theirs. I unfortunatly will be there later tonite taking a final

  44. Hotspot for democracy? by barfarf · · Score: 2, Funny

    A bunch of geeks with laptops in a park? Never mind the hacking - this sounds like a hotspot to get yourself mugged.

  45. New Platform Available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now we can get webcams set up by the various protest groups, whining and moaning about this or that. I live around DC, and the phrase that comes to mind is: If they call it tourist season, how come you cant shoot them?

  46. OSS solution? by Quixote · · Score: 1
    They are using equipment from Tropos networks. While they could have gotten it for free, I'm wondering about the rest of us who may be considering a mesh network for large outdoor spaces. So... are there any _good_ (and inexpensive) OSS solutions for putting together WiFi mesh networks? Are the APs which can be hacked (in the true sense of the word) to run such OSS packages?

    I'd like to have a setup where you have an AP with 2 antennas: an 11b for providing access to clients, and an 11a for talking to other mesh nodes (for eventual connection to the rest of the world). Preferably, have automatic setup, path discovery, encryption between the nodes (to prevent spoofing), etc.

  47. Re:Free for the home that is. by kb1827 · · Score: 1

    i see what you mean...i misunderstood your post!

  48. Just Wondering... by A+Boy+and+His+Blob · · Score: 1

    Do they sell Doritoes on the Mall?

    1. Re:Just Wondering... by A+Boy+and+His+Blob · · Score: 1

      Hmm, actually I think I mean Pringles, I was wondering why the DC police didn't take to kindly to my PCP Pipe in a Doritoes bag.

  49. Mirror of the site by Skater · · Score: 1

    Websense: "www.openpark.org" is blocked due to adult content

    Thanks, Websense, for saving me from finding out about free wi-fi access! Whew, that was CLOSE...

    --RJ

  50. Great... by s.a.m · · Score: 1

    I can see it now, people sitting there typing away on their laptops and some Kite comes crashing down on them.

    Yup, won't see that one coming. LOL

    Plus w/ the Washington Monument closed off for a while, kinda limits you to just the Mall. Great there goes my commute. LOL

  51. WiFI? What about phyisically using the park? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oooo! WiFi on the National Mall! Big deal!? What about pulling down those damn fences so people can actually use the National Mall around the Washington Monument?!

  52. Re:Hotspot for democracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent has never been to the DC mall.. this is our capital! There are police officers everywhere. And lots of people. Mugging is for lonely spots.