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Artists Against 419 Takes On Scammers

419scammers writes "Hello, The following site is an anti scammers 419 site (plus associated scams) which has started to receive a great deal of publicity in a number of countries national publications. Their fifth international flash mob has now started. Have a look at the monthly flash mob link. Enjoy." An anonymous reader adds "More than 50 identified websites of the Nigeria-Connection are being targeted and the first ones has been already disabled. It was a very bad idea to copy the website of an innocent lawfirm..."

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  1. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Informative

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  2. Heh, Nigeria scam.. by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had fun with one of these guys here.

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    1. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 5, Interesting

      After wasting his time I got into his hotmail account, changed the password and password question/answer, and notified everyone he was in contact with. He was actually scamming people-- it looked like he was rather close to getting some of them.

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    2. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by Chilliwilli · · Score: 1

      These guys obviously have access to the net as they send and read the mails.. How come none of them have seen any of the baiting sites and realised that if you're asked to do something dumb or hold up a placard you are most probably being messed with? You'd think as they need to have an english dictionary to reply to the emails they'd use the same dictionary to find out what the signs they were holding were.. dumb dumb dumb.

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    3. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by shadowbearer · · Score: 1


      Priceless! I'm gonna post that site at work :)

      Visions of goats, indeed. :) "Grandfather Randi"

      ROFL

      SB

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    4. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by heybo · · Score: 1

      Lord Ken I salute you!

    5. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      Grandfather Randi is a reference to famous skeptic and magician James Randi.

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    6. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      They are pretty desperate. I e-mailed the guys he was in contact with, they didn't respond. He really was conning them, so I don't think it was a prank. In fact, the e-mail originally was sent to my mother, not to me.

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    7. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know. That's why it's so damned funny :)

      SB

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    8. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice fictional story. It's even mildly funny.

    9. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by Monkeyman334 · · Score: 1

      What? You don't have a website on how you got into his hotmail account? That'd be more interesting.

    10. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by double-oh+three · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Anyone else slightly suspicious of the fact that his UID makes it seem like he's a newly created account? Karma-whoring maybe?

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    11. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      His password question's answer was ekpontu. Simple as that.

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    12. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      Me? I'm not newly created at all. I've had multiple accounts, in fact, but I lost the passwords to those.

      I've been around awhile.

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    13. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      What part is fictional? The entire transcript really occured. In fact, I still have access to the guy's e-mail, if nobody I gave it to changed the password...

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    14. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      Anyway, my karma is already excellent, so...

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    15. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by caferace · · Score: 2, Funny
      You lost you /. passwords? Uh-huh. Sure.

      Hint: The passwords are "ekpontu".

    16. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by neurokal · · Score: 1

      u berry bad man - berry berry bad (but ingenious)

    17. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by neurokal · · Score: 1

      would this be:

      http://skepdic.com/randi.html
      http://www.randi. org/
      ???

      hmmm berry berry interesting...

    18. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by Leadmagnet · · Score: 0

      nice one

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    19. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you setup a hotmail account to send fictional emails to yourself to make it all sound real. Then you claim you hacked into the account to justify having access to the hotmail address. Whoopee doo!

      Some people around here might be gullible but you're not fooling me. No matter, like I said, it's a good fictional effort, just don't use it to spread racist feelings or anything.

    20. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh, I think he has more of a life than what you perceive; that he'd spend it conjuring up emails with pretty accurate grammatical problems (they look authentic and not a thing native english speakers can easily fake, IMO).

    21. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      You're stupid. A lot of people play games with the 419 guys. I'm in no way racist. You're just a fucking troll-- that's why you're posting as an AC.

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    22. Re:Heh, Nigeria scam.. by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      Yes

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  3. The main reason it was a bad idea by Sonic+McTails · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was a very bad idea to copy the website of an innocent lawfirm..." *watchs the lawsuits and lawyer from the innocent lawfirm attack*

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  4. I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What exactly is 419?

    1. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Mr AC: it is slang to describe Nigerian scams involving requests to handle money.

  5. Oxymoron by idgrad · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Innocent Law Firm"

    - Shouldn't it be "An innocent until proven guilty law firm?"

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    1. Re:Oxymoron by linzeal · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many law firms themselves have been found guilty as a corporation and if it were higher than the national average. It would seem a good tactic to take down rival lawfirms. The law firm that is mentioned in the article does anyone know which one it is?

    2. Re:Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't it be "An innocent until proven guilty law firm?"

      Actually, just a law firm that hasn't been proven guilty yet.

    3. Re:Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The firm is innocent, but it's full of lawyers.

    4. Re:Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your sig is late. Mother's day has already been and gone ..... it was in March. Nine months after Father's day {the latter being a completely artificial festival invented by greetings card makers, so as to sell more cards; after all, on any given day of the year, only 1 person in 365 is having a birthday, which is hardly enough}.

  6. Verification? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How do we know we're actually participating in a DDoS against a 419 site and not a legitimate business?

    This kind of mob mentality is a little unsettling. I guess it doesn't matter as far as slashdot is concerned though. They'd take down a bus full of nuns if they were a website.

    1. Re:Verification? by ginwizard · · Score: 0
      This kind of mob mentality is a little unsettling.

      Unsettling yes. Sound to anyone like groupthink?

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    2. Re:Verification? by DrEldarion · · Score: 5, Funny

      While you have a point, Slashdot has taken down many legitimate business sites before. What's a couple more?

    3. Re:Verification? by p4ul13 · · Score: 1

      Looking at the page source, the images are in fact from the sites they claim are 419ers. Now, figuring out if those sites really are 419ers is the tough part.

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    4. Re:Verification? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unsettling yes. Sound to anyone like groupthink?

      No. It's not. At least, most of us don't think so...

    5. Re:Verification? by |absolut| · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This kind of mob mentality is a little unsettling.

      ALL kinds of mob mentalities are more than a little unsettling, they are frightening.

    6. Re:Verification? by General+Fidul · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Usually those websites came up in connection with the various kinds of 419. Either they were from the initial spams or were presented later in a scambait: "My trunkboxes are stored in a security company in Amsterdam!" The search engine of your choise surely will find something.

      For example, would you trust a "decades old" UK bank with a non-existant street address, only mobile numbers, the registrant in Nigeria and no listing in the official directories?

      From what I know AA419 is checking every flashmob victim very carefully before feeding it to the nerds. ;-)

    7. Re:Verification? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I take it you are not involved in network admin...

      This type of online demonstration is NOT a dDOS attack.

      The pages request legitimate files.

      A dDOS attack is a hammering of a server with spurious requests...

    8. Re:Verification? by MagicDude · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're worried about the slight possibility that they might be accidentally targeting a legitimate business, eh? I can't imagine how much sleep you lose over /. intentionally blitzing dozens of legitimate and cool sites every week.

    9. Re:Verification? by RedBear · · Score: 4, Funny

      I guess it doesn't matter as far as slashdot is concerned though. They'd take down a bus full of nuns if they were a website.

      What makes you think we wouldn't take down a bus full of nuns in meatspace as well?

      Especially if the nuns on that bus use... Micro$oft Windows! DUN-DUN-Duuuun!

      Cha-ching. Thanks, I'll be here all decade. Try the sarcasm and don't forget to tip your waiter!

    10. Re:Verification? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can "View Source" of the page to find the URLs of the images. Go to those web sites and take a look. If they look real (remember they are trying to look real so they can trick you) then look behind the curtain. See what kind of ISP they are using. Ask your browser to display info about the page and its images - see if the dates seem reasonable for an established business. Use WHOIS to get registration info about their domain. If the URLs are several levels deep, remove each level one at a time and see what else appears. Try some common file names at the end of their URL. Try FTP access and see if there is anything unusual. Take info from the site and use Google and Google Images and Google Groups searches. Send a routine consumer inquiry to appropriate email address in their page and see if their reply is prompt and professional -- use library/cafe terminal if you want a different IP, and request reply to a throwaway email address, ask current interest rate for new car loan, the balance in your account (pretend they are faking your real bank and you already have an account, and remember a real bank has reasons to not answer with your balance), whether they offer balloon mortgages or debt consolidation (pick some common term in your country which might be Greek to them) ).

    11. Re:Verification? by Raphael · · Score: 4, Informative

      They are scammers, not legitimate businesses. They steal text and images from other sites. As others have already mentioned, you can use Google to search for some parts of the text on their pages and you will usually find the real source of the content.

      It is also interesting to check where the images are coming from. For example, take a look at one of these fake sites: "Trust Meridien". The home page contains a link to the so-called professionals who are supposed to run this fake company: http://www.trustmeridien.com/directors.htm.

      Take a look at the second picture. This woman is supposed to be called "Elizabeth Gideon". However, the name of the image file is: Kay_ivey1.gif. The name does not seem to match. Indeed, a little googling allowed me to find an identical copy of the image: Kay_ivey1.gif. That one is linked from the home page of http://www.kayivey.com/, who is the Alabama State Treasurer. The scammer did not even bother changing the name of the file!

      I am sure that someone could find the source of the other images included in that page. Anyway, if you still had any doubt that the site is not a legitimate business, I suggest that you get in touch with Kay Ivey and ask her if she is really part of "Trust Meridien". Or maybe she has a twin sister?

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    12. Re:Verification? by Old+Coaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why not do as aa419 does and check with the regulator of the bank or institution in the country concerned? The regulator for English Solicitors is the Law Society of England and for British Banks is the Financial Services Authority. Google these and check the position for yourself, or are you too lazy? At the moment you just look silly!

  7. Finally... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is going to be a major Slashdotting with a useful purpose!

    1. Re:Finally... by metlin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey! You forgot SCO :)

    2. Re:Finally... by whovian · · Score: 4, Funny

      thus suggesting that this website could take assume the tagline
      Slashdot: The flash mob web site nerds prefer.

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    3. Re:Finally... by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      I think that makes it a SlashMob

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  8. For some good 419 baiting try.. by Chilliwilli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    for good 419 sport try Ebola Monkey Man (n.b. site is in no way racist despite the name)

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    1. Re:For some good 419 baiting try.. by haxor.dk · · Score: 1

      Why are eveybody so touchy-felly about sites that may or may not (actually in this case i have yet to see a racist 419-baiter web page) be racist?

      You take a trip to Zimbabwe og South Africa, or even Sudan, live there for two years, if you survive, come back and tell me how you like the acism you will encounter there.

      Chances are that you wioll learn that "racism" in the west is zilch compared to what you find in Africa.

  9. The Funny Thing... by Ieshan · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Funny thing about all these anti-419 ideas - especially the laws - is that it's probably easier to take out the stupid people here than it is to take out the stupid scammers in Nigeria.

    The new Microsoft Email Initiative has promised to do just that- Every time people use their mail client, clippy will pop up with questions like:

    Will you:
    a) Give money away to people you don't know.
    b) Double click nude.pics.exe.vbs.exe.jpg.exe
    c) Mail this pyramid scheme to 30 other people
    d) None of the above

    1. Re:The Funny Thing... by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      >d) None of the above

      shouldn't that be
      d) All of the above :D

    2. Re:The Funny Thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misspelled CowboyNeal, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:The Funny Thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the animated piece of bent wire was called Clippit, not Clippy. Did it get officially renamed or do people on Slashdot just need their ears syringing out?

  10. I'm sorry I haven't a clue. by rokzy · · Score: 1, Informative

    Artists Against 419... flash mobs... what are you on about?

    1. Re:I'm sorry I haven't a clue. by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

      Artists Against 419
      A "419 Scam" is the attempt to defraud people of their money by claiming that they need to send money and/or account details in order to recieve a large ammount of funds. If any victim actually cooperates, they're told that they need to send more. Spam is commonly used because of the relatively low cost of sending massive e-mails, and the fact that the scammers net thousands of dollars from each fool that bites. The name comes from the chapter of Nigerian number in law that says this is illegal there, yet a majority of these scams come from there.

      flash mobs
      This is a concept that comes from people who send text messages to a mailing list of bunch of friends that says something cool is going on, so anybody free should come join them. In cities, this can cause 100s of people to show up on the "if you contact 10 friends, and they contact 10 friends..." principle. Singer Avril Lavigne is currently doing a tour of unadvertised events at shopping malls, which have attracted up to 6000 people that more or less depends on the first people to see the sign announcing the event telling their friends, and having those friends tell others. This group is encuraging a simple Slashdotting against 419ers, which is basically the same principle. More people showing up than expected causes problems...

    2. Re:I'm sorry I haven't a clue. by shadowbearer · · Score: 3, Interesting


      Should perhaps mention that wrt to flash mobs, Larry Niven AFAIK was conceptual inventor. Although his mobs were more ordinary communications, and relied on teleporation transportation, the concept really isn't that different from what's happening now.

      I haven't seen any quotes from Mr. Niven about it (yet) but I do know that several people who know him are quite amused...

      Cheers!
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  11. Everyone loves messing with these scammers by nev4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    419 Eater has been around for a while and is pretty well known for messing with these scammers. Take a look at some of the pictures scammers have sent them and listen to the audio recordings. Some of these scammers really need to brush up on their pop-culture.

    1. Re:Everyone loves messing with these scammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They even scammed one of the scammers out of $20!

    2. Re:Everyone loves messing with these scammers by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Some of these scammers really need to brush up on their pop-culture.

      Come on, does anyone really need to brush up on pop culture?

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    3. Re:Everyone loves messing with these scammers by Jo_2521 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny site, yet:

      "Question.
      How do I contact the scammers without using my real email address?

      Answer. [...] You could of course buy your own Domain Name and use a redirect to have emails sent to you via the D.N. I nearly always use my own Domain Name to set up email accounts."

      (emph. mine)

      Be very, very careful if you're up to do this. A simple whois could reveal your personal data to the scammer. I wouldn't want to have some Very Angry Criminal standing at my door...

    4. Re:Everyone loves messing with these scammers by nutsy · · Score: 1

      Well use some other domain then.

  12. oops (forgot to actually make the mirror) by pigscanfly.ca · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Just in case the server crashes and burns (like they usually do),I have put up a mirror.
    The mirror of http://www.artists-against-419.mugus.com/ is at http://mirrorit.demonmoo.com/r_194/www.artists-aga inst-419.mugus.com/

  13. Re:Joke's on who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Q: Why are there so many broken images on your site? A: That's not a bug! It's a feature! If you can see any picture it means that a website of a 419 criminal is still not down. But they have to pay a price for it! Actualy our aim is to present only broken images at our web site." So to answer your question, by slashdotting the site, we are helping take down the 419 sites.

  14. Re:Joke's on who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > reload 419 sponsored web pages to wast their bandwidth...

    Wast their bandwidth? Wast is past second-person singular for be. You want us to reload their pages to "be" their bandwidth? What in the world are you talking about?

  15. /. the hell out of the link by Dave419 · · Score: 0

    If everyone who visits /. were to make that webpage their home page, I might get less SPAM. I dont know how any times I've visited this site only to find the articles /.'d, this should be one of those times.

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  16. Re:Mirror , just in case by pigscanfly.ca · · Score: 1, Troll

    Every time?
    I dont do this everytime , just most of the time (espcially when I havent heard of the domain before and I think they might crash&burn)
    As for no one wanting my webhosting, thats fine; I'm not here to push my webhosting; I actually simply have some spare space & bandwith which I figured I could put to use.
    And from the looks of the stats generated server side, I would say my mirrors have been usefull.

  17. Natural selection by Graftweed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well as much as I hate 419 scammers I still can't bring myself to think of them as scum quite on the same level as mass spammers.

    Think of them as the internet's version of the lion, culling the weak and gullible thereby keeping the species healthy.

    1. Re:Natural selection by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Well as much as I hate 419 scammers I still can't bring myself to think of them as scum quite on the same level as mass spammers.

      Wait a second... aren't most of the 419ers finding their marks by sending spam? The response rate is a trace, but the payout is enough to make the crime profitable.

    2. Re:Natural selection by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, there can be substansive collateral damage, vis that lady who embezzled her company to finance her advance fee fraud, and another gentleman who collected money from his circle of friends and acquaintances on the pretext that it was to finance a large shipment of clothing items for his business.

      These second tier victims aren't necessarily weak and gullible - nor are they all on the internet. They were often approached by someone they knew and trusted. These cases, if none other, are a reason for us to be vigilant, and do what we can to put the frighteners on people that would purvey such scams.

      ( Although personally I think the time would be better spent educating people instead of trying to slashdot some website which the proprietors will just take down and put up somewhere else... )

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    3. Re:Natural selection by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      It occurs to me that I could simply bait one of these with Scott Richter's info, among others (just for example). Be efficient; take them both out at once.

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    4. Re:Natural selection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spam is annoying at best. Ripping off people's ban accounts is fucking fraud regardless of whether people are stupid. There's a big difference and I applaud these vigilante's.

      No one is ever hurt by spam financially. Yes I know you could say the isps are but shut up for a sec. How much does a piece of spam *actually* hurt you or anyone besides just annoying you or wasting your time? None.

    5. Re:Natural selection by mcdade · · Score: 1

      are you on crack? where do you think a good portion of spam comes from?? 419 scams.. i get atleast 3 a day .. i don't recall signing up for a "419 scam list".. so they are basically spammers.

      They have to spam.. send out a million emails maybe get one or 2 people to respond. All these people should be shut down

      -b

    6. Re:Natural selection by Feanturi · · Score: 1

      These second tier victims aren't necessarily weak and gullible - nor are they all on the internet. They were often approached by someone they knew and trusted. These cases, if none other, are a reason for us to be vigilant, and do what we can to put the frighteners on people that would purvey such scams.

      ObObi-Wan: Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?

  18. Spellcheck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone should show the webmaster(s) how to use spell check.

  19. Slightly OT by Meneudo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Heh... now I have another site besides /. to constantly hit the refresh button on!

    Not only that, but it hurts spammers!

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  20. Re:Why this by bersl2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having many people actively (as opposed to automatically) participate against scammers indicates a mass disapproval of them. Each node in a manual DDoS requires one human being deciding that participating is worth his time.

  21. Another one? by tarballedtux · · Score: 1

    Although I am against scams and spam altogether. There are other websites dedicated to the same goal. For example: http://www.419eater.com/ This site is fun just to read about the scammers getting scammed.

  22. Why use a web page? by azav · · Score: 2

    Let's write a program to download page content continuously.

    I'll be glad to do this.

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    1. Re:Why use a web page? by Quobobo · · Score: 1

      You don't even need a program. Just use ab (Apache benchmark) with ridiculously high settings.

    2. Re:Why use a web page? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sign me up

    3. Re:Why use a web page? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      while true; curl -s http://your.site.com/ & done

    4. Re:Why use a web page? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      We don't need no stinking programming skills here! We can do this with a web browser, a text editor, and a can of beer for refreshment. Just use a META HTTP-EQUIV REFRESH tag and set it to refresh once every few milliseconds. Put the 419 dude in a frame or link to his images.

      Of course, to do it WELL requires lots of OPM (Other People's Machines). So post that URL here when you've got it set up.

    5. Re:Why use a web page? by Quobobo · · Score: 1

      (off-topic, I know) Probably too late to get a reply to this, but I have a complete newbie question. How exactly would I use that? I'm having no success in using it in a terminal or in a shell script. I just get a prompt if I type it in at my command line, and an error if I use it as is in a shell script. I know what curl does, but I'm not sure how the "while true;" part works.

    6. Re:Why use a web page? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Or you could do domething like this from a terminal- that way you can send them a message.
      while [ true ] ; do wget --user-agent="Scammers eat my poo" --delete-after http://yourscammersitehere ; done
      Do a 'man wget' to get some other cool stuff to use like --spider --random-wait -C off, etc... Hours of fun!
    7. Re:Why use a web page? by sofar · · Score: 3, Informative
    8. Re:Why use a web page? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It has been done by folks at the somethingawful.com forums, and used to slay pedo sites.

    9. Re:Why use a web page? by ninewands · · Score: 1

      Running the vampire on my workstation at work (100 Mb/s switched ethernet straight through one gateway to the backbone):

      Script started:
      Mon 03 May 2004 11:20:10 AM CDT
      Time now:
      Mon 03 May 2004 03:13:20 PM CDT

      Total images: 12 (5 active, 7 dead)
      Images loaded: 10953 (46/min)
      Total load failures: 410

      Just doing my bit to rid the world of fraudfeasing scum.

  23. OK it's probably me but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Let's say I've been living in Mars, watching the NBA playoffs, that kind of thing. Now I have no idea what 419 is about, or anti-419, or who the good guys are and who the bad guys are, and what the scam(s) are about. Following the link didn't help... why am I stealing bandwidth for going to the site? Is it good guys bandwidth? Bad guys bandwidth? And how am I doing that?

    1. Re:OK it's probably me but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically this, 419ers are basically scammers. They try to get you to give them you bank information or credit information or just give them lots of money by making you think they're a bank or an investment firm.

      The idea is you're stealing bandwidth to cost them a lot of money and wipe their site off the internet.

      Are you attacking a good guy or a bad guy? That's a good question. You don't know, do you? You could be attacking a bad guy but you're taking down a small business internet provider that got duped themselves and you just ran up their bill thousands of dollars putting them out of business. You could be attacking a bad guy but their site is running off zombied machines in a hospital so you just shut down their network and killed a few people. Someone could have compromised that site and changed the pictures to ones on humanitarian websites and you're hurting the good guy. I don't know, you don't know. Who does?

      And that is why a DDoS is generally regarded as a bad thing by everyone no matter who it's against.

    2. Re:OK it's probably me but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks... although it seems it would be better to turn over the domain name to the relevant authorities, who could 1) kick them off the 'net and/or 2) set up a sting operation with phony credit info and see if they try to use it. But hey, I'm naive.

    3. Re:OK it's probably me but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, i doubt that hospitals have a database/web server connected to someones life support system...

    4. Re:OK it's probably me but by dialate · · Score: 0

      LOL, i doubt that hospitals have a database/web server connected to someones life support system...

      It could disrupt some phone systems, which could cause big trouble. I have an Ethernet PBX at work which goes haywire if there if there is intense computer networking activity.

    5. Re:OK it's probably me but by idiot900 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that mean your Ethernet PBX is broken in the first place?

    6. Re:OK it's probably me but by WWWWolf · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You could be attacking a bad guy but their site is running off zombied machines in a hospital so you just shut down their network and killed a few people.

      Some nitpicking - if someone manages to zombie a hospital machine, that means someone is already in danger of dying. Which is precisely why hospitals don't put their critical computer systems in a public network and tend to have pretty high security standards on those as well =)

  24. Re:Joke's on who? by nacturation · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a great idea. While the artists against 419 scammers have to serve up the HTML, they've hijacked the images, eg:

    <img src="http://www.some-419-scam-site.ng/logo.jpg"&gt ;

    So maybe a 1 KB of HTML vs. usually 10 to 20 KB of images, and that's for each image. You could easily add a 1 pixel frame which loads up dozens of images from the scam sites.

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  25. 419? by Darthmalt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't understand exactly what are the 419 scammers? I was unimpressed with the site it looks very poorly done. Not what I would expect from geeks wanting to strike back at scammers.

    1. Re:419? by Piobaire · · Score: 1

      Ummm, they are the folks that send you the Nigerian (usually) emails that promise you lots of money for doing next to nothing. Along the way you will have to pay unexpected "fees" to loosen up authorities and obtain permits, etc.

    2. Re:419? by Nerull · · Score: 3, Informative

      The "419" scams take thousands of $ from people who fall for them, and there have also been reported murders involved when the unfortunate scamee (Is that a word?) goes to another country to meet the scammer, and is then mugged.

      Wikipedia Article

    3. Re:419? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I don't understand exactly what are the 419 scammers?
      They're one short of being on drugs....
    4. Re:419? by dlb · · Score: 1

      419 is the code used in the Nigerian Govt for advance fee fraud.

      I don't think the 420 people are as susceptible, because you actually have to have money for the 419s to steal.
      Also, the 419s don't accept munchies as payment.

  26. Re:Mirror , just in case by nacturation · · Score: 1

    They were for the pirate demonstration, thanks! The only complaint I have is that the formatting of the links is bloody awful. A suggestion: instead of listing "http://.... can be found at http://... ; http://... can be found at http://..." etc. it would be great just to reproduce the article submission as-is and replace the original links with your mirror links. That way nobody will have to decipher which links correspond to what original links.

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  27. Re:Mirror , just in case by pigscanfly.ca · · Score: 1

    Good idea.
    I'll give that a shot tommorow :-)

  28. We could call it SCAMI@HOME by Dave419 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Want to put those CPU cycles to a good use, FOLDING@HOME, SETI@HOME, and NETI@HOME need a new sibling.

    SCAMI@HOME will constantly steal bandwidth from these unsuspecting scammers, now there's a good use for my CPU cycles.

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  29. 419 learning from junk mailers by fermion · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I have recently been getting the variation in which a relative(same last name) has died in some far off place and the scammer will help me launder the estate in exchange for personal information.

    It seems that they are taking a page from Publishers Clearing House and using a trivial amount of peronalization to get people to open the email. I wonder if the victims will actually check to see if such a relative exists, or allow greed to take over. It is like those ad that say 'the government owes you thousands of dollars.'

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  30. They Have a Game on the Site by oobob · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is a game where you chase logos from the sites with your mouse, and if your cursor goes over them, they reload on the edges of the page.

    Thing is, you can speed them up, and they automatically go towards your cursor. Even in the background (try it with a trillian window). And it's more addictive than you'd think.

    1. Re:They Have a Game on the Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You game no work my computer. please fix.

  31. Make 419ers spam each other... by DocSnyder · · Score: 4, Interesting
    419 scams are the only kind of spam whose email addresses are valid and belong to the spammer - that's how the mugus want to be contacted by their victims. Of course this would get more and more difficult if these addresses get flooded with spam.

    Many 419 mugus suffer from their small and weak penises, don't have any major education and need lots of stock opportunities to put their money into. It's only gentle to help them by having their email addresses fed into as many spammers' databases as possible.

  32. Re:Why this by p4ul13 · · Score: 1

    I guess the idea is that performing a DDoS regardless of the target is illegal, but hot-linking images is just bad netiquette.

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  33. Sounds like a job for wget by Yonder+Way · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Use wget from a few well connected machines to spider the 419'ers fake sites in an endless loop. Shouldn't take long to wipe 'em out. :-)

    1. Re:Sounds like a job for wget by MBAFK · · Score: 4, Informative
      Something like this probably - I made it up on the fly - haven't tested it (yes I know it's cack and that you could probably do it in 2 lines of perl :)
      #!/bin/sh

      wget --mirror -np http://artists-against-419.mugus.com/
      cat artists-against-419.mugus.com/*html* | tr ">" "\n" > all.txt
      rm -rf artists-against-419.mugus.com/
      cat all.txt | grep "http://" | egrep "\.jpg|\.gif|\.png" | sed -e "s/^.*http/http/g" | tr "'" " "| tr "\"" " " | cut -f 1 -d " " | grep -v "mugus.com/" | sort | uniq > urls

      while [ true ]; do
      for i in `cat urls`; do
      wget -O tmp $i
      rm tmp
      sleep 1
      done
      done
    2. Re:Sounds like a job for wget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... if you even took less than 1 minute to go and look at the AA-419 website, you would see just that!

    3. Re:Sounds like a job for wget by Stinking+Pig · · Score: 1

      nah, wget is sequential. A couple of runs would be good to get the structure, but then it's a job for ab :-)

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    4. Re:Sounds like a job for wget by Eminor · · Score: 1

      Or you can cron wget to run every hour.

    5. Re:Sounds like a job for wget by Dimensio · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the official Flash Mob site has a couple of Linux scripts that use wget to hammer the targets.

  34. Let's do the same thing with other spammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Create one huge webpage with lots of images linked to the spammers website (you know which ones, natural viagra, xanax, etc), and let's run THEM out of business as well!

    I'll gladly visit that page while I'm waiting for Spamcop to process the reported spam

  35. Re:Why this by OS24Ever · · Score: 1

    There are a number of scripts under the links for linux, mac os x, etc so that you could fully automate this.

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  36. if you're going to DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just do it the right way by sending enormous PINGs several times a second. Put them out right quick.

    Fuck, if you want to do it the RIGHT way you find an exploit so you ping a million different people and they return pong to the target. That way they can't block you from continuously ramming your cock up their ass.

  37. Do some real damage (link) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Lad Vampire attack downloads 5 large images from the 50-something target sites continuously. It doesn't require refreshing or turning off cache, and uses all available bandwidth. Opera tells me I've got 10,000 images so far for about 240MB in just under 20 mins.

    1. Re:Do some real damage (link) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah. Tried it out, sites are dropping like flies. DDOS'ing scammers - just brilliant. Its 11:16pm CST and 9 sites are already dropping connections. Saw this on www.artists-against-419.mugus.com:

      May 3rd, 00:00am The 5th Flash Mob has been started!
      2:10am "Equity Trust Enterprises Ltd. International aka International Lotte U.K." gives the sweetest message of all: --> "Account for domain equitytrustenterprises.com has been suspended

  38. MOD PARENT DOWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    link to image, not site

  39. Nice idea. "Community "ttacks" can work. by hkmwbz · · Score: 4, Informative
    This is a very good idea, and seems to work to a certain extent.

    Organizing communities to attack hostiles is a good idea, and lately I've seen a lot of mails pretending to be from Citibank, apparently linking to citibank.com, but instead hiding the URL by using HTML, and sending the user to a different page instead.

    These new phishing scams have been covered by the media, and basically it opens a popup with the address field hidden, and it uses HTML/JS to recreate a fake one, giving the impression that one is actually at citibank.com.

    An example of a received spam, which claims to link to web.da-us.citibank.com, but really links to a page which opens a popup. The address of the popup is:

    http://www.strongerinfobase.us/scripts/sys.php

    This page gathers credit card info. Maybe if there was a site to gather these addresses, hundreds or thousands of people could cooperate and submit so much nonsense - either random crap or seemingly real, but fake, CC info. That way, the scammers would have to wade through thousands of fake entries.

    Maybe someone could even write a script to spam the scammers into oblivion :)

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    1. Re:Nice idea. "Community "ttacks" can work. by Darthmalt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Someone should write one of those screen saver programs that go in effect when your computer is idle. That would recieve instructions from a central site and constantly reload a spamers site until it was down then get insstructions for which site to attack next. If everyone installed this on all of their home computers just imagine the bandwidth you could drain.

    2. Re:Nice idea. "Community "ttacks" can work. by mabu · · Score: 1

      I disagree. I don't think these scammer web sites are getting that much fool traffic so that taking them down on a particular day matters much, and you end up wasting your own bandwidth.

      The only worthwhile thing to come out of all this are the brilliant scamming of the scammers themselves which is tremendously entertaining.

      419eater does a great job profiling the scammers. Now what we need is a web site with pictures of the morons who fall for these scams.

    3. Re:Nice idea. "Community "ttacks" can work. by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1

      For just yourself, you could try using your own set of links with the WebCollage component of XScreenSaver.

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    4. Re:Nice idea. "Community "ttacks" can work. by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, what a good idea. I'll just join my computer up to a botnet and let some probably unknown individual give me a list of targets to attack. Perhaps when they run out of 419's they could start bombing the sites of political campaigns they don't approve of, or auction websites or microsoft.com.

      If you're going to punch someone, don't let someone else guide your fist. You might end up biting off more than you can chew, if you'll excuse my mixed metaphor.

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    5. Re:Nice idea. "Community "ttacks" can work. by AdamD1 · · Score: 1

      > Maybe someone could even write a script to spam the scammers into oblivion :)

      I have actually been writing little javascript forms since last October to send 200 fake, randomized entries to a spammer's recipient form, then refresh itself and send another 200, etc. I left one running all day by accident and didn't notice the hit on my CPU at all. That felt great! I easily sent hundreds of thousands of fake entries to one phisher. I've written several for as many spam forms as I could figure out. Once you realize they only use javascript to check any values it's a total free-for all.

      Anyway yes: people like myself are doing this. I've sent some scripts to friends so that we each hit them at different times. Pretty good system so far. I also notice that several of the phishers I hit (notably Paypal phishers) have weak servers and also move their domains around a lot. I'd like to think that my efforts are causing them to do this much more often.

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  40. Bad Publicity by yintercept · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Unfortunately, scammers and spammers often have a lot more available bandwidth than typical artists or honest business sites. Even worse, you toss up your anti-419 page that throws unwanted traffic at a page, and you increase the scammer sites rating. The various sustained DOS attacks on SCO gave SCO an Alexa Rating in the low thousands. A smart scammer might use the DOS attack to set cookies for merchant programs, and end up making money for the person you are trying to attack. We seem to forget that both good and bad publicity drive valuable traffic to sites.

    1. Re:Bad Publicity by nuba · · Score: 1

      "Smart scanner" Have you seen some of those 419ers??

    2. Re:Bad Publicity by scrytch · · Score: 1

      > The various sustained DOS attacks on SCO gave SCO an Alexa Rating in the low thousands.

      SCO is not a media company. Hell they don't even sell anything any more. So tell me why their Alexa rating matters?

      In fact, it looks terrible for marketing (and the marketing consultants that VC'ers hire) when your visits to sales conversion ratio is so bad...

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  41. Disturbing by Xhad · · Score: 2
    A: Aren't these scammers usually also mass spammers?

    B: So you're saying robbing from the clueless and senile is better than actually selling a product?

    1. Re:Disturbing by Graftweed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A: Yes, they're also mass spammers, but there's a distinction I make. The typical mass spammer is someone who is paid money for having his systems churn out spam 24/7, often trying to sell legitimate (if somewhat dubious) products.

      A 419 scam is actually a crime of persuasion, so while they might start out as just spammers they usually escalate to targeting specific individuals, and this is no gray area as in spam, it's a crime, period.

      B: I was actually trying to make a joke. But really, clueless and senile? Have you actually taken a look at the content of some 419 e-mails? That stuff is sometimes so far fetched it enters the realm of common sense.

      Being lured in by an url that looks like a legitimate bank and handing over your details, that's being clueless. But being scammed into handing over thousands of dollars to help some nigerian astronaut stranded in space?...

  42. ... or as previously covered on slashdot by cr@ckwhore · · Score: 4, Informative

    Previous topic on the same subject ...

    http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/16/20 4210

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    1. Re:... or as previously covered on slashdot by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

      Not quite the same. That story is about replying to scammers and stringing them along. This story is about abusing their bandwidth so their sites go down and it gets more expensive to scam people.

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  43. DDoS .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter who it's against, this is DDoS..especially now it's been slashdotted.

    1. Re:DDoS .. by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      I see it more of a protest. I have no guilty conscience, do you, AC?

  44. A moment of your time, please by Skevin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hello, my name is Solomon Chang, and I am a legal representative of a certain Cowboy Neil, who has a similar sig to yours on Slashdot. Recently, my client, a strong supporter of Artists Against 419, passed away, and has left behind an account with a hell of a lot of Karma on Slashdot. However, Hemos and Commandante Taco have dictated that the account be furthermore untouched should such an unfortunate occurance transpire. However, if you should be willing, your sig matches my client so closely that we may be able to trick VA Systems into sending his Slashdot password so that we may both reap the benefits of 1337 hax0r status. However, my firm would require the access information of your Slashdot account (i.e. username and password), so if interested, please send your information and we will proceed from there. You will need to hurry, as the Commandante will attempt to acquire the Karma for himself if/when he discovers the account to be deactivated.

    In sincerest regards and utmost urgency,
    Skevin


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    1. Re:A moment of your time, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello chang! Yes! I really want to have 1337 hax0r status! Where do I send my information, please? (Please don't reply here, though, as Commandante Taco will notice and intervene.) Steve Ebe

    2. Re:A moment of your time, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly

  45. See for yourself. by cryptor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If you're suspicious, check the targets out for yourself. Here's the clues that I relied on:

    Mechanical/Formatting - The sites are decent, (i.e., not foreign spam bad) but they have enough errors and inconsistencies that I think they aren't up to the caliber of an international financial organization. If they really have any international dealings, they can afford a decent marketing firm or department to do their web site.

    Sitebuilders - Look for systematic naming, formatting, and telltale HTML tags. Again, I wouldn't trust a financial org that uses a sitebuilder.

    Plagiarized Wording - Try Googling some of the complex wording. A number of them show up word for word on other sites.

    Take for example, financialsecurities.org.uk. The wording "has a highly experienced team of professionals providing unbiased and highly qualified services exclusively to its clients in selected technology & health care industries which drive the high-tech revolution" appears only at this site. Notice also the >>high tech revolution<< punctuation that appears afterwards.

    Now it's possible that Viscardi is plagiarizing financialsecurities.org.uk, but Viscardi leaves a phone number, so you can call them and ask about it.

    Now sure, this isn't hard evidence, but the consistency of clues on so many sites tells me these people (the artists) have gone through some work to come up with such a reasonably self-consistent list.

    1. Re:See for yourself. by SydShamino · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or, for the one I looked at...after going through their huge disclaimer page, they have a web form to fill out an application.

      What do they ask for buried in the middle of the form? Your current bank information. Together with the other info, they have everything they need to initiate a wire transfer.

      Pretty clear from that alone that they are scammers. No real financial institution would ask for that on an application.

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    2. Re:See for yourself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is not whether they can be verified but whether they ARE verified by the people that use this.

      I can find out if the man is innocent, but the people in the lynch mob don't bother to find out, do they?

    3. Re:See for yourself. by cryptor3 · · Score: 1

      All right, definitely a good point.

      If it makes you feel any better, I bothered to find out.

    4. Re:See for yourself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another great thing is doing a whois on the domain name...turns up whoever registered it registered it to an address in an estate in clapham, london,uk. I find that a bit suspicious, what with all the business experience these ppl supposedly have, and a quick check of their contact page revealed a different address (in Grovesnor Square - where the US embassy is...) and a mobile for a fax number..

      So if they aren't a dodgy fake scamming company they still won't ever get my business.

    5. Re:See for yourself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahah financialsecurities.co.uk

      hahahahahaha

      that is the *worst* web page design for a *company* i have ever seen. no way i could see that and take it seriously. jesus lord, if you send them money, you are freaking retarded.

  46. definitions.... by Carbon+Unit+549 · · Score: 5, Informative
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  47. Re:Joke's on who? by jamonterrell · · Score: 2, Informative

    The issue to this is that if you look at the headers that most browsers send to the site they request files from there's a referrer tag. A site owner can actually with minimal effort block requests unless they are referred from their own site... This seems like a lost cause to me.

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  48. Heh by beckerie · · Score: 3, Funny
    I'd prefer this sort of scam-baiting. If only I had the capacity to do what this dude did...

    Taylor: Hello, how may I help you?

    Radar: I received an email from Worldwide Global Lotto stating that I had won $193,000. I want to collect my money.

    Taylor: First of all, this is a financial company. I am aware the Worldwide Global Lotto is a promotion presently going on for all Microsoft users around the world.

    Radar: But I don't use Microsoft. I use Apple.

    Taylor: You must have used Microsoft once in your life. Probably this is where your email address has been gathered.

    Radar: Great. And how do I get the money?

    Taylor: All you have to do is make available the fees and charges for the processing of your winning and legal documentation and naturalisation papers. That is an equivalent of $2400. As soon as you make this payment available in the name of our chief accountant, Mr Kelvin Duncan, within 24 hours your winnings will be transferred to you as a certified cashier's cheque or into your bank account.

    Radar: There is no lotto or prize, is there?

    Taylor: What? Obviously you have emerged as a winner if you have the correct email.

    Radar: How much money do you make from this scam?

    Taylor: Bye-bye now. [Click]

    Source: SMH
  49. Re:Why this by pyrrhonist · · Score: 5, Informative
    This seems to be a round-about and innefficient way to do a DDoS (Distributed Denial of Service) attack. They should just automate the thing as opposed to having people sitting and clicking as they seem to plan on doing.

    It is automated. RTFA. The pages automatically reload, or you can download scripts.

    Their site features just about every grammatical mistake one can make.

    English is not every person's first language.

    They also accused me of stealing their bandwidth by going to their page. That seems to be a strange accusation coming from a group that is going out to crash other people's sites.

    No they didn't. In fact they encourage people to, "...bookmark this site and revist us as often as possible", and, "link to us from your web site!".

    Why is this guy's post modded "Informative"? I suppose wrong information is still informative, but jeez, people!

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  50. Re:Joke's on who? by Uber+Banker · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    They do have an incredibly crap user interface and standards incompiant website though.

    Pity their crap website design forces us to trawl through their ego to getto the juice.

    Nice idea, pity you let your loud mounths and yahooing get in the way of users getting what they're after, instead of getting down to business.

  51. SETI@Home for anti-scammers? by hkmwbz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Great idea :) A distributed client which uses available bandwidth (user configurable, obviously) to download images from scammer sites. One would need a central list of known sites, and one would have to trust that site. There is some potential for abuse, but it could work.

    I've always wished that I could take down a scammer with help from the Slashdot crowd when I've seen an obvious scam, such as the one in my previous post. Now, maybe Slashdot can post a story every now and then about this site to remind people about it, and the next daily "scammer slam"... :)

    (By the way, there was an obvious typo in my last Subject. It was supposed to be "community attacks". Oh well.)

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  52. Who really is punished here? by mabu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but DDoS'ing 419 sites seems really stupid. You might take their site down temporarily but you're also wasting just as much of your own bandwidth and affecting other more important services.

    The 419'ers exploit stupid people. These efforts don't address either the stupidity of people or the illegal activities of the scammers. It seems more like a publicity stunt to call attention to the artists than a legitimate and effective effort to stop 419ers.

    While I don't condone the activities of the 419'ers, they don't bother me that much. Turn on the television and it'll take you about ten minutes before you see a commercial from an American company that's basically doing the same thing, misleading people into giving them money for something that is questionable. I have trouble distinguishing the current spate of weight-loss and penis enlargement pills from the tactics of 419'ers.

    I figure anyone stupid enough to fall for these schemes will do so eventually, so we might as well let them learn from their mistakes sooner rather than later. That also goes for the goofy fake-cashiers check scams being perpetrated on people posting online classified ads. If you're selling something for $3000 and someone sends you a check for $6000 and wants you to wire the difference to another country, you're a fool who needs to be parted from your money.

    1. Re:Who really is punished here? by hkmwbz · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "I'm sorry, but DDoS'ing 419 sites seems really stupid. You might take their site down temporarily but you're also wasting just as much of your own bandwidth and affecting other more important services."
      I am not wasting my bandwidth if I think it's a worthwile cause. And it's not like it will suck up all my bandwidth either. All it does is to download images from a web server. I do that all the time anyway.

      So we are wasting their bandwidth, but I can decide to stop downloading their images at any time. So it is not a problem at all.

      And what more important services does it affect?

      "The 419'ers exploit stupid people."
      And they spam all kinds of people, including smart ones who will never fall for their scams anyway. And spam is a major problem today.
      "While I don't condone the activities of the 419'ers, they don't bother me that much. Turn on the television and it'll take you about ten minutes before you see a commercial from an American company that's basically doing the same thing, misleading people into giving them money for something that is questionable."
      Yeah, except these American companies don't kill their victims, which has happened to 419 victims.
      "I figure anyone stupid enough to fall for these schemes will do so eventually, so we might as well let them learn from their mistakes sooner rather than later."
      So it's OK by you that they send spam? I don't like it, so I'll be happy to use some of my bandwidth to take their sites down. If they can't scam people because their sites keep being taken down, maybe they'll stop spamming me.
      " If you're selling something for $3000 and someone sends you a check for $6000 and wants you to wire the difference to another country, you're a fool who needs to be parted from your money."
      And the money they make from scamming people will be used for what? Funding wars, for example? Drugs? Getting people tortured and killed?

      Sorry, I can't accept that.

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    2. Re:Who really is punished here? by rjamestaylor · · Score: 1

      Having a cable modem with Cox Communication in Orange County that regularly pulls down 300Kbps b2b data feeds throwing a little hammer script to simply retrieve the sites that are being discussed so that, in my leisure, I can evaluate if they truly are scammers or not is but a blip.

      I did note that a number of sites are hosted at free hosting sites, such as those by yahoo, etc. These are monitored for bandwidth hogs and shutdown when they hit their alloted limit (miniscule), thus protecting the free host and sending the leech elsewhere or to buy bandwidth. I seriously doubt legitimate banks are using Free! Web! Hosting! At! Yahoo!, don't you?

      But, then again, guess who is still employing the COBOL programmers...

      And, yes, it's the greedy, the desperate, the unprincipled and the gullible who are taken by the scams.

      One other thing:

      >>> a commercial from an American company that's basically doing the same thing

      Thank you for your thought out, reasoned, researched and properly scoped findings. I'll remember to avoid TV and American companies. Since I already avoid TV (I haven't had broadcast TV or Cable TV or Satellite TV since 1990; I selectively watch DVDs but that's about it) I'm confident I've got that one down pat, but can you help me with non-American companies I should patronize for my:

      groceries, gasoline, electricity, ISP services, hosting services, personal computers (how much American ownership is OK before the company is contaminated?), automobiles (I've owned Hondas since 1997; I think they've spilled over to the "American" side of the company thing since then, haven't they?), coffee, phone service, clothing, medicine and health services (oops!), education, travel services, entertainment, housing, furniture, flatware, dishes, flooring, fixtures, exercise equipment, yard services, insurance, and anything else I may have left out?

      I'd really appreciate being able to rid myself of the United States of SCAMerican companies ASAP. Please help.

      Thanks.

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      -- @rjamestaylor on Ello
    3. Re:Who really is punished here? by mabu · · Score: 1

      There are better ways of addressing this issue than creating vigilante DDOS groups that create collateral damage and don't directly affect the true perpetrators.

      You could try more effective methods such as:

      * lobbying the governments to crack down on this
      * creating a campaign to filter the sites on various levels
      * creating an educational campaign to make more people aware of the scams

    4. Re:Who really is punished here? by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      Neither of these exclude other actions.

      I can both DDoS the scammers and lobby, and help create campaigns.

      In my case, I simply do not have the time or resources to deal with lobbying and campaigns, so if I can contribute with a bit of bandwidth to take out spammers, I am happy to do so.

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    5. Re:Who really is punished here? by mabu · · Score: 1

      The problem with your formula is that the bandwidh that you think you "own" is shared among many other users. It's not as unlimited a resource as you think.

  53. Re:Joke's on who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are scammers we are dealing with here. They're really stupid. "Referrer tag" is probably not something that is in their vocabulary.

  54. viruses by timmarhy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    have any of you 419 baiters considered sending these scammers virus infected files, getting them to run them and taking them out on a semi perminate bases. if you wiped their hd it would probably save some people getting scammed

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    1. Re:viruses by WegianWarrior · · Score: 1

      We - ie; the members of the anti-419 board I post on - have discussed this in the past, and discussed it often. the general concensious is that it's a Bad Idea(tm).

      The wast majority of 419ers uses cybercafes to access the 'net. By sending them viri, we not only infect the machines in question, but would also help spred the virus to a) everyone else having to use that cybercafe, and b) everyone the 419ers and the others send mail to. And off course there is c) sending viruses is a naughty thing to do.


      Off course, if you go ahead anyway, the mugu would simply walk to the next cybercafe - the refugee camp my present mugu claim to live in must be chocked full with them...

      --
      Everything in the world is controlled by a small, evil group to which, unfortunately, no one you know belongs.
  55. scam the scammers by Phsyco · · Score: 2, Informative

    This guy actually managed to get the scammer to send him money. He ended up donating it to charity, but none the less, that's pretty impressive. Worth a read if you've got nothing better to do.

    http://www.419eater.com/html/stev_ebe.htm

  56. Re:Joke's on who? by giberti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I would agree with you most of these sites are running on $8.95/month hosting and so don't have that kind of customization.

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  57. 419? by milsim · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why 419, where did this number come from?

    On a side note, are the '420' people more susceptible to '419' scams? :)

  58. How the 419 sites could stop this (code) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    And more importantly, how you can conserve your bandwidth from unwanted inlining of images from the growing herd of bulletin boards and weblogs, via some Apache commands in your .htaccess file: Prevent bandwidth theft.

    You can block inlining altogether, or allow it only for specified domains. You can also redirect users to an error image (I used the goatse.cx pic for awhile but found it a little over the top, and switched it to a small "no inlining" note - the phrase "bandwidth theft" has as many problems as does "stealing music").

    1. Re:How the 419 sites could stop this (code) by milsim · · Score: 1

      You have a valid point, but considering how badly some of those sites are designed, I doubt that most of the 'webmasters' in question can figure out how to block image hot linking. Another thing is whether they have access to .htaccess/fp at all - not all web hosting companies provide such facilities.

  59. Re:Why this by Atmchicago · · Score: 1

    My guess is that the stolen bandwidth message actually came from the scammers and not the artists against 419 website. Their linked image is, after all, not on their server.

    As to the grammar: the Nigerians don't use "proper" english, why should we?

    --

    You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it dissolve.

  60. Art by jefu · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Since these guys are (or claim the word) artists, wouldn't it have been much more fun to grab images from lots of icky web sites and by resizing and placing them appropriately build a big mosaic image of something.

    So if you had a 500 by 500 image built up of 10 by 10 images it would be 2500 images loaded on every page load.

    Talk about artistic slashdotting.

  61. hear yeee! by ambienceman · · Score: 0

    Get your flash mob t-shirts here

  62. Re:Joke's on who? by nacturation · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In addition to the points raised by others, the easiest way to avoid the referrer issue is to have their HTML page load up in a 1 pixel frame. That way, it's their referrer header for the images and, because the frame is only 1 pixel wide/tall, the user can't see the content anyway.

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  63. Today's flash mob - 3rd May 2004 by milsim · · Score: 3, Informative

    For modem users - Cube 419

    For cable users - Scammers Nightmare

    And here's an alternative - Lad Vampire

    Come on, don't be shy, give them some good slashdotting - it's good fun for the whole family!

  64. Re:Why this by downunda_wookiee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    by having a bunch of individuals DDoS'ing the 419 sites they are not having to use their own bandwidth...
    a bunch of slow connections can do much more damage than a few faster connections.

  65. Re:Joke's on who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol... one of the best spelling nazi posts I've seen in a while!

  66. Right Click? by Mattwolf7 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This site worries me because it has the right click mouse disabled. They have no good reason to disable the right mouse click.

    It makes me wonder if they are DOSing more than just 419ers.

    1. Re:Right Click? by edgedmurasame · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just disable Java/Javascript in your browser when visiting that site. Right Click problem solved. Denial of Service problem, that's another issue completely.

      --
      "Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
    2. Re:Right Click? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't you script kiddies get it through your heads that this form of digital demonstration is NOT, I repeat NOT a DDOS....

      It is legitimate requests for webpages, just like you clcking refresh every ten seconds on your favourite sportspage to get updated scores!

    3. Re:Right Click? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      You are obviously not worthy of being here if you cannot work out how to bypass ANY website that prohibits right click.

      Go and find the box your computer came in and pack it up, you are too stupid to use it.

    4. Re:Right Click? by sendai2ci · · Score: 1

      It seems to be a lowend web 'artist' mentality. I don't want any one to steal my graphic|poetry|yaddayadda, so I'll apply a really really crappy script to stop people copying my work. It doesn't work, but eh...they are happy, and we are slightly disadvantaged, until we get around it within two seconds...

  67. is that really effective? by cute-boy · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Looking at the hit counter on their web page, showing ~330K hits, I'd be suprised it this is in the slightest bit effective...

    The quantity of traffic you generate simply isn't that great when you can get a $9.95 hosting deal that allows 500MBytes per month or more.

    Bandwidth is cheap. Loading the same image multiple times is a waste of space unless you don't cache in your browser (and elsewhere). If you have access to your web server config (even on shared servers sometimes) you can easily configure so others can't do this by requiring the referrer to be your own site.

    RG

  68. Exactly! by Dimensio · · Score: 1

    What business do these people have, interfering in the fraudulent criminal acts facilitated through these fake banks?

  69. Re:Joke's on who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    To annoy scammers - If you are the lucky recipient of a scam email, use the email address you're supposed to reply to to 'register' on a few porn sites - the mail scammers themselves will soon be flooded by spam email...

  70. Re:Joke's on who? by MegaFur · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and yet almost all the image links still work. Well, we probably shouldn't expect a whole lot of technical savvy from 419'ers should we?

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  71. But I like 419 scams - fantasy net-worth. by openmtl · · Score: 1
    Thats very mean to the Lads from Lagos - I like 419 scan letters as they usually have gone to as much effort as Readers Digest in getting me to part with my money. Its always fun trying to work out just how much fantasy money I could get.

    They are certainly a lot nicer than the usual crap that comes through and they only make up around 1% or so of spams.

    If you view the 419'ers efforts as a freedom of speech then I still think that the artists against 419 scams are indulging in a bit of censorship. True its to help stop the stupid being departed from their money but as the saying goes...

    The next time I see a multi-1000 dollar price tag on some work of physical art, I'm going to say that the material costs are just say 100 bucks and it looks like you spent all of 1 afternoon on it so I'll give you another 50 to cover ancillaries and say 100 for your time - USD 250 it is.

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    1. Re:But I like 419 scams - fantasy net-worth. by Nate+Eldredge · · Score: 1

      I don't think there's any country in the world where attempted fraud is protected by freedom of speech.

    2. Re:But I like 419 scams - fantasy net-worth. by Dimensio · · Score: 1

      If you view the 419'ers efforts as a freedom of speech

      What mentally retarded drooling idiot would consider an attempt to commit fraud an act of "freedom of speech"?

    3. Re:But I like 419 scams - fantasy net-worth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you like it so much, then tell that to the families of those who have been taken by 419scams...

      Better yet, have a read of "monica's" story...

      http://komsomol.nm.ru/monica/monica.html

      Just remember that the scammer here has no heart at all constantly hounding the poor girl for more money!

  72. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  73. Feed pages with false data by gorfie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I personally visit all of the scam sites and fill their forms with false data. I figure if a good chunk of people did the same thing, the scam would become pointless as it would cost too much to weed out the valid data from the invalid data.

  74. Oh Neat by Cylix · · Score: 3, Funny

    On their site they listed some other websites.

    I found a fantastic online banking presence. It looked very professional!

    What did strike me as odd though... was the annoying POP up ad that jumped out at me. I suppose they are just a bit of a progressive banking instititution and using that money to pass the savings on to the customer!

    Really, if you are going to scam people at least give it some good effort.

    --
    "You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
  75. Re:Why this by Senor_Pedo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Quite an interesting idea they have here. From Artists Against 419's FAQ:
    Wouldn't it be more effective to start a Denial of Service attack (DoS) against this 419 sites?
    We here at artists against 419 don't recommend any illegal practices! Such an attack might be more effective, but its less art.
    Also from their FAQ:
    Aren't you fighting abuse with abuse?
    It's art! Sometimes art hurts, but there are no civil casualities in this battle.
    You're right about the grammatical mistakes, though. Maybe artists aren't the best spellers.

  76. It's just a bit of human nature by annielaurie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everybody with any sense hates spammers and scammers, and any measures we take against them seem like spitting into the ocean.

    I have to think that even the most rational and law-abiding among us have at least fantasized briefly about launching attacks of various sorts against spammers and spam gangs. Innumerable fiendishly clever ideas for how to accomplish this have been launched right here on Slashdot--usually to be rebutted by wiser and/or more technically savvy heads.

    The lovely thing about 419-baiting is that they're low-hanging fruit. They're accessible. Unlike the spoofers and joe-jobbers, they leave themselves right out in the open. It's as if they've hung a digital KICK ME sign on their virtual butts.

    Revenge is sweet.

    --
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  77. Re:Why this by cyberworm · · Score: 2

    This seems to be a round-about and innefficient way to do a DDoS (Distributed Denial of Service) attack. They should just automate the thing as opposed to having people sitting and clicking as they seem to plan on doing. I think the thing that seperates this from being a DDoS attack is that it's totally voluntary and people can do it at will. (CTRL R anyone?). That aside, anyone willing to sit there and reload the page is doing it at their own discretion, paranoid that they might miss something. Most (all?) DDoS attacks are from unwitting and unknowing computer users. I'm no expert at how this works, but to be on the safe side, I reloaded voluntariy a few times. Sorry if those images are hosted off of an unwitting host. If they can fake an email address, chances are that they are useing someone else's bandwidth to host their images. HOpefully not, but ya never really know.

  78. Don't Steal Their Bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opening that page and downloading the images gives the scammers your IP. The longer you do it the more they will be pissed.

    1. Re:Don't Steal Their Bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no, they could find out my IP address. What are they going to do with it? It's pretty heavily locked down, and I doubt they'll have enough bandwidth left to DoS me.

      Besides...
      # pppctl close
      # pppctl dial

      Whoops, now I have a new IP.

    2. Re:Don't Steal Their Bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My DSL ISP gives me the same address if I DHCP for a new one. I don't want spam comming in to my server.

  79. Images are down by Spikeman56 · · Score: 1

    Wow, it's like they are running on some cheap 419'ers box. Some of the images are not working... does anybody have a mirror?

  80. two out of four main targets overwhelmed by throwaway18 · · Score: 1

    Two of the four main targets are inacessable.
    The other two are holding up.

    wget -vr http://www.onlinepacifictrust.com/site/assets/
    wg et -vr http://saapexbank.com

    wget for windows

    1. Re:two out of four main targets overwhelmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Am I committing a big crime if I do some bandwidth tests like this:

      #!/bin/sh

      for ((;;))
      do
      wget -O /dev/null http://www.carnegiedirects.com/cashrolls.gif
      wget -O /dev/null http://www.mpfsplc.com/images/mpfsmorethan.gif
      wg et -O /dev/null http://www.creditrims.com/images/c_image.jpg
      wget -O /dev/null http://www.allstatetrustfinancesecurity.com/images /hand.jpg
      done

      Makes for some very interesting reading from the bandwidth graphs!
  81. Re:Joke's on who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    just post them on /.

  82. FYI... by GrnArmadillo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A RTFA shows that the site in question encourages you to either disable your browser cache or use a javascript-based alternative. They also note that the scammers could work around it but the fact that a lot of them HAVEN'T says something....

  83. That's the POINT.... by GrnArmadillo · · Score: 1

    If you can't see the images, then that 419'er is toast.

    1. Re:That's the POINT.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      erm... I think he was being sarcastic. nice of you to help out though :)

  84. That's a good thing :-) by milsim · · Score: 1

    The images are on scammers` sites (they're hot linked), so if they're not working, it means something's going on, e.g. running out of bandwith (i.e. the system works).

  85. Images Slow by complete+loony · · Score: 1

    A lot of the images on their site seem to load slowly or are broken, I better hit reload a few times just to make sure.

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  86. I do not have an IP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stopped broadcasting it with one of those cool apps I found in a popup warning. w00t!

  87. make sure, you use the new version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  88. hammer.sh by dr_leviathan · · Score: 1

    The Artists provided a nice bourne shell (hammer.sh) for hitting the targets. It downloads its list from their site and goes to town.

    Its fun to watch the logs roll by. I think I'll leave it on overnight. Die 419'ers!

    --
    Religion is poison to rationality, and we lose sight of that at our own peril. -- Lurker2288
  89. there's a new lad vampire: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:there's a new lad vampire: by Leadmagnet · · Score: 0

      sweet

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  90. leave it on overnight! by minus_273 · · Score: 1

    disable cache and leave multiple windows open overnight :-p should be funny

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    The war on terror is a war for peace
  91. morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Artists loves the internet"

    Oh do they? Well they can stay the fuck out of it until they learn to spell.

  92. Why on a sunday? by L0stm4n · · Score: 0

    Should have posted this on a monday morning to wield slashdots full might against the scammers.

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    superman runs linux
  93. Re:Why this by slayer111 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's all worth mentioning there's to more flash mobbing than just loading the images; they also encourage people to contact the hosts of the sites, call the authorities, and basically attack the 419ers from every angle.

  94. Re:Don'r mirror, go here. by SEWilco · · Score: 1

    OK, so now we'll go slashdot the flash mob.
    On the flash mob site there has been posted a link back here to this story.
    So we're slashing them while they're mobbing us.
    At least /. is increasing the mob activity too.

  95. Re:Joke's on who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and it's now 4:30 AM EST. The USA Slashdotters who haven't read since the Flash Mob began at Midnight GMT will be joining the mob in a few hours.

  96. What else is possible on Flash Mob Day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    According to the artists-against-419 site, they have identified the following EMail addresses as belonging to the scam sites.

    Please do not spam these EMail addresses. :-) I hope that no spam bots pick up these EMail addresses because they would get even more spam.

    jjohann@afandtrust.com, afandtrust@yahoo.com, mansmithus@yahoo.com, info@africanoceanicbank.com, bthomas@africanoceanicbank.com, jhughes@africanoceanicbank.com, support@africanoceanicbank.com, info@afriswiss.com, tobi@afriswiss.com, atkins@afriswiss.com, charlseome@hotmail.com, stephen@yamagochigroup.net, info@aldisc.com, customercare@aldisc.com, haulage@aldisc.com, paymentclaim@aldisc.com, alphafunds@zwallet.com, thabani@zwallet.com, info@alfaconfianza.com, newaccount@alfaconfianza.com, grahamm@zwallet.com, afigroupsa@yahoo.com, pkopano3@apexfinanceandinvestmentgroup.net, pkopano6@apexfinanceandinvestmentgroup.net, pkopano2@apexfinanceandinvestmentgroup.net, benspecialist@yahoo.com, info@atlanticreditnominees.com, online@atlanticreditnominees.com, fisher_j68@yahoo.com, nwani_joe01@yahoo.com, edlewis54@yahoo.com, firstmerit2004@yahoo.com, senatecomm2@yahoo.com, raphkeno@yahoo.co.uk, mobutunzanga@hotmail.com, susanbrige@yahoo.co.uk, davidkameloo@yahoo.com, apexfandigroupsa@yahoo.com, joshualeon7@apexfandigroupsa.net, crystaltechy@yahoo.com, joshualeon11@apexfandigroupsa.net, joshualeon2@apexfandigroupsa.net, lotterycoordinator@mighty.co.za, offshore@atlanticreditnominees.com, customercare@cfintc.com, watkins@cfintc.com, lshoemaker@cfintc.com, maytrust9@hotmail.com, swiss_union_intl@chessonfamilyassociation.com, Swiss_union_intl@yahoo.co.uk, doncleno@netpiper.com, accounts@continentalfinancialtrust.com, administration@continentalfinancialtrust.com, cftnimda@hotmail.com, info@creditfas.com, sitefeed@creditfas.com, admin@creditfas.com, swissinfo@creditfas.com, customercare@creditfas.com, haulage@creditfas.com, info@creditfas.com, headoffice@creditfas.com, ceeschneider@creditfas.com, maytrust9@hotmail.com, autoterminal@hotmail.com, lottoawards@cresterlottosouthafrica.com, cresterw@yahoo.com, promotionsdept@cresterwinners.org, bbattorneys@yahoo.com, lotteryagent4@yahoo.com, eplace@ureach.com, accountdirector@equitytrustenterprises.com, nb_plc@yahoo.com, info@fame-merchantbank.com, customerservice@fame-merchantbank.com, admin@fawilliams.org, enquiries@fawilliams.org, consultation@fawilliams.org, account@fawilliams.org, fawilliams@fawilliams.org, ahmed@fawilliams.org, bisi@fawilliams.org, sola@fawilliams.org, sokoya@fawilliams.org, mohammed@fawilliams.org, john@fawilliams.org, ijeoma@fawilliams.org, osagie@fawilliams.org, info@ftfinancial.com, customercare@ftfinancial.com, haulage@ftfinancial.com, admin@ftfinancial.com, ftfinancial9@yahoo.com, foreign_service@gbcrossing.com, findire2@globallinkscashchange.com, findire12@globallinkscashchange.com, josephfletcher2004@yahoo.com, GL_uk2004@yahoo.com, grlsa@bigpond.com, lottery_cord@yahoo.com, jolucky@webmail.co.za, goldenlotto2003@yahoo.com, awards@goldenpromolotto.com, info@hillcresfinance.com, info@hillcrestfinance.com, admin@hillcresfinance.com, verification@hillcresfinance.com, accounts@hillcresfinance.com, securicor@hillcrestfinance.com, festacboys@yahoo.com, Netpage@hotmail.com, indecompany@hotmail.com, sitefeed@iftcompany.com, lhoffman@iftcompany.com, mdavis@iftcompany.com, jarmstrong@iftcompany.com, dgomez@iftcompany.com, njackson@iftcompany.com, nzondi@iftcompany.com, lbrown@iftcompnay.com, kfalcom@iftcompany.com, bdunlop@iftcompany.com, customercare@iftcompany.com, haulage@iftcompany.com, info@iftcompany.com, admin@iftcompany.com, info@kcdumex.com, form@lcbmadrid.com, onlinebanking@lcbmadrid.com, contact@lcbmadrid.com, lewiscruz@zwallet.com, lfinservices@yahoo.com, sperchard17@link-fin-trust-uk.com, account@faibb.com, th234th@yahoo.com, info@megabulklottery.com, megabulklottery@yahoo.com, info@onlinepacifictrust.com, banking@onlinepacifictrust.com, support@onlinepacifictrust.com, courier@onlinepacifictrust.co

  97. Re:Any tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come to Britain, where our simple washdown WC basins {with 110mm dia. full-bore outlet} will handle almost anything, and our flushing cisterns will not drain continuously even if the chain is held down. You know the whole problem with the unnecessarily complicated US-style syphonic WC is that constriction in the waste pipe ..... without it, you wouldn't be able to form that all-important partial vacuum to draw the contents out of the basin. In fact, that's exactly how a washdown suite works anyway ..... the basin contents are pushed out by the flushwater. Sure, it's noisier, but at least the sound effects are a good clue that the room is occupied.

  98. Remember to turn of caching for those sites! by TA · · Score: 1

    Great idea,but you should all add those scamsites
    to your list of non-proxied and/or cached sites,
    e.g. in your browser. Otherwise all your reloading
    will just serve the images from your cache, instead
    of from the actual fake bank sites.
    You could also use shift-reload, but then you would
    also load the artists-against-419 site as well.

  99. is it just me or by kresjer · · Score: 1

    I see an inconsistency between "$9.95 hosting deals" and "making millions of dollars". If I were a scammer, with my first $2k I'd get some brownies and make a decent webhosting/website.

  100. Another anti-spam/anti-scam idea... by StripedCow · · Score: 1

    Here's an idea to filter spam/protect against scams. Note that it requires some getting-used-to.

    When someone wants to send you a message by e-mail, the following happens:

    1. Person sends you the e-mail (e-mail 1).
    2. Your mail receiving daemon generates a digest of this mail, and sends back a mail message (e-mail 2) containing the digest. (Instead of a digest, also some unique code can be used).
    3. Now the person has to reply to the mail, or he/she is redirected to a website where he/she should fill in the digest (as an acknowledgement).
    4. Your mail reading program only shows mail messages that are acknowledged by the sender.

    To check that the sender is really a human being, the daemon could also send some graphically morphed image of the digest code, which the sender should then retype.

    For mail from non-human senders (mailing-lists, etc.), you could still use a white-list.

    Questions:

    A) Would there be any objection against such a system?
    B) Does an implementation of such a system already exist? Where to find? If it does not already exist, then it would be a great OSS project, IMO.

    Extension:

    If the person is asked in step 3 to visit a url to enter the digest, your web-server could generate anti-419 html code at this url (i.e., containing links to images on scamming sites, thus wasting their bandwidth). The urls of spammers/scammers could be collected once a day by your web-server from a central location. The overall scheme would then be a two-way mechanism to rule out spamming/scamming.

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  101. Re:Joke's on who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Manually reloading them is dumb.
    Wget'ing them to /dev/null is continuous, legal, automated, and effective.
    The forum peeps on Something Awful have blasted pedo sites into oblivion this way.

  102. Re:Verification? They don't pay interest. by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Check out Their online banking login. Control-U (view source) will get you a list of 'bank accounts' (it's a real obvious set of case statements). Pick any one to view an account statement. (you can use anything for the PIN number). Note that they're not paying interest on their multi-million dollar bank accounts, even though they claim 1.51 % for checking accounts.

    (Yeah, and the fact that they have the account numbers in the source of their web page should tell you something too, never minding the lack of SSL).

    Hmm... for the real lazy, it appears that any odd number between 2206076832141101 and 2206076832141165 (among others) will work

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  103. Education a better idea? by mwood · · Score: 1

    I dunno, I think that last week's _Over the Hedge_ strips may be doing more to combat the 419 scammers by reducing the victim supply. Let's hope that at least a few people caught a clue from it.

  104. Re:Joke's on who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > "be" their bandwidth?

    I'm getting a Caddyshack flashback! "Be the ball!" "Just be the ball, be the ball, be the ball. You're not being the ball Danny." "Be the bandwidth!"

  105. Re:Joke's on who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Archiving the target sites continuously by wget'ing them to /dev/null works too.

  106. Re:Joke's on who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    but where do I find the "Post Humously" option?

    Stupid.

  107. You really should test commands before posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    while true; do curl -s http://your.site.com/; done