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Sun Java Desktop System Release 2
Jahf writes "Sun is putting out Java Desktop System Release 2. Some overview information is in this article while more technical information about the new management solutions are in this one. Quickly: the desktop environment is essentially the same, though Sun has added support for GIMLET (allows one to change the current input language on a per-window basis), officially supported Japanese and Korean translations, and is including a Java-based online update client. The bigger changes are management items that are normally hidden from the end-user but valuable to the Admin. Configuration Manager allows admins to setup client preferences for remote desktops and 'protect' those settings to create policies. Sun Control Station (the last remaining Sun product from the Cobalt acquisition) can work as a network imaging server, can monitor remote desktops, and can work as a patch server (both by pushing patches out to many desktops and by serving as an online update server for clients who need to pull additional packages)."
because maybe your computer is too fast
Je t'aime Stéphanie
....why even bother with Solaris?
Who will become the leader for Linux desktops, Sun, Red Hat, or Novell?
... is that all Java software has been removed.
It's not exactly the same as the old Sun Cobalt variety,
for some reason they rewrote the whole thing in Java.
And the new one doesn't come bundled with hardware.
> If its linux, just call it linux
That's like me saying "Since it's GNU/Linux, just call it GNU/Linux".
I'm right, but do most people listen?
No, don't say the "GNU/", it's bad for business. Well, now even the "Linux" bit is bad for business.
Please help publicise swpat.org - the software patents wiki
Sun is has been going no where fast
I'd say Sun is going no where slow. Just like their products.
Could they make it look any more like Windows
They are probably trying to reduce the amount of effort (and training costs) needed to retrain users that are familar with Windows. Usability is all about having an interface that does what users expect. Right now, they expect it to act like Windows.
Little Bricklets
I'm here all day, folks.
Actually, I think the hardware requirements suggest at a minimum you should run it on a 4 node beowulf cluster.
Could they make it look any more like Windows. This here is a linux OS that is trying to look as much like linux as possible.
Woah, there. That doesn't even BEGIN to make sense. (unless that's some weird, round about way of saying it doesn't look like MS Windows)
Incidentally, I don't think anyones got any business knocking the windows GUI. There are many things wrong with the Redmond family of operating systems but, to give them their due, they've put a hell of a lot of work into making the desktop work reasonably well.
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Heaven forbid it might actually be fast :|
Today corporate innovation consists of finding new and exciting ways to move jobs overseas (without being the focus of a segment on 60 minutes). That being said... I'm sure there is PLENTY of "innovation" in the Java Desktop.
Actually, that would make it not GNU/Linux. It would still be "Linux", just Sun/Linux
I am glad to see that Sun is stepping up the features long touted as superior on Windows machines, that is the ease of modifying user parameters based on some policy or other national/language based settings -- it sounds like this setup is geared towards that rising Asian marketshare, as well as towards those Wal-Mart customers. Lest anyone think selling PC's at Wal-Mart is dumb, just count the zero's on Wal-Mart's revenue stream... they aren't #1 on Fortune 500 for NOT selling things!
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Recommended (Minimum) Configuration
* 2 Ghz Intel Compatible processor or better
* 1GB of RAM
* 160 GB hard drive
* 10/200 Base-T Ethernet network interface
Wonder what a 200BaseT nic is... Can't say I've ever seen this before.
Can I get an eye poke?
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Lockdown of the user desktop: In the context of configuration management, lockdown plays a significant role, as it prevents users from changing their default environment and helps administrators provide and mandate simpler desktop environments, which in turn can help prevent users from being distracted from their core work. In the competition with other desktop systems, lockdown plays an important role.
Sun's software now includes blinders! Why wont my opponet debate this issue? Is it because he's a horse... or because he has BLINDERS ON! No periphial vision! *snap* *snap* *snap*
-Imidazole2
In an entire environment based on and tailored toward Java, such as Sun's Java Desktop System, the language really shines. Rapid setup and deployment benefits system administrators, while developer productivity is enhanced by the optimization of the develop, execute, debug and deploy cycle.
This type of setup just makes sense when you're dealing with a network of disparate hardware and software. The more that can be made common and interoperable, the easier it is to get things done. And it looks like Sun Java Desktop System has only gotten more affordable and easy to use.
It's still a variant of the GNU OS (like GNU/Linux is). If you call it GNU/Sun, or GNU/Sun/Linux, or Sun's Own GNU/Linux (SOGL?).
So what does the Sun Java Desktop gives me if I buy it? These are the key features:
Desktop Features
o A GNOME desktop environment
o StarOffice Productivity Suite
o Mozilla web browser
o Evolution mail directory and calendar clients
o Instant Messaging support for multiple services
o Linux operating system
o Java System Update Services
o Globalization, Internationalization and Localization Support
Developer Tools
o Java 2 Standard Edition (J2SE) v1.4.2_04, including the Java SDK
o Sun Java Studio Standard 5 update 1 Technology Preview
o NetBeans IDE version 3.6
System Management Tools and Client Configuration Tools
o The Java Desktop System Configuration Manager
o Sun Control Station 2.1
o The Remote Desktop Takeover
With a few exceptions, such as the System management tools, most of these features can be found in a normal linux system. I'm obviously missing something here? (I hope - enlighten me please)
And in this corner we have the Red Hat desktop release May 4th 2004
But the Java Desktop requires Redhat Linux 7.3?
I am not trolling, I am genuinely confused about the offering. The Red Hat desktop appears to be a distribution of Linux with all the PC-type goodies, much like Fedora core or previous Red Hat versions. The Java desktop, with which I am not familiar, only appears to be the desktop PC-type goodies. Java Desktop needs a Linux OS, specifically Red Hat, and an older version at that, to run.
I have totally failed to understand Sun's marketing strategy here. It seems to me that Java Desktop is the same concept as Windows 3.0: A GUI program manager on top of an operating system. And it lists for $100! The interoperability with the servers must be the key.
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Parent is both funny and right on. i've run the Java Desktop on a 600MHz machine...i'll just be kind and say it's less than snappy. i've not gotten ballsy enough to load 'er up on my 2.8GHz at the house yet...maybe when i get it all backed up, but i spose it would be hella snappier and perhaps enjoyable!
you could say the same about kde.
but, ofcourse, no one does.
Java Desktop - the last dying gasp of an old-fashioned company trying to look hip again.
Almost like your Dad buying a Harley and rediscovering Led Zeppelin.
Trouble is , the rest of us know that he's still an old fart.
Think about this - Google run on 100,000 Linux servers. Sun bought Cobalt in 1999.
Does the phrase "lost opportunity" come to mind?
That's quite an facile editorial but you can't expect better from normal users. My screenshot looks better than yours. Evolution is better than KMail, GNOME looks more polished than KDE and so on. I do use XChat, Abiword, Rhythmbox.... ...usually you get stuff like these from normal users. And this is ok since you can't blame them for stuff they simply don't know about or don't have a slighest knowledge about.
Such editorials are hard to take serious since they are build up on basicly NO deeper knowledge of the matter. Most people I met so far are full of prejudices and seek for excuses or explaination why they prefer the one over the other while in reality they have no slightest clue on what parameters they compare the things.
If people do like the gance ICONS over the functionality then it's quite ok but that's absolutely NO framework to do such comparisons.
I do come from the GNOME architecture and spent the last 5 years on it. I also spent a lot of time (nearly 1 year now if I sum everything up) on KDE 3.x architecture including the latest KDE 3.2 (please note I still do use GNOME and I am up to CVS 2.6 release myself).
Although calling myself a GNOME vetaran I am also not shy to criticise GNOME and I do this in the public as well. Ok I got told from a couple of people if I don't like GNOME that I simply should switch and so on. But these are usually people who have a tunnelview and do not want to see or understand the problems around GNOME.
Speaking as a developer with nearly 23years of programming skills on my back I can tell you that GNOME may look polished on the first view but on the second view it isn't.
Technically GNOME is quite a messy architecture with a lot of unfinished, half polished and half working stuff inside. Given here are examples like broken gnome-vfs, half implementations of things (GStreamer still half implemented into GNOME (if you can call it an implementation at all)) rapid changes of things that make it hard for developers to catch up and a never ending bughunting. While it is questionable if some stuff can simply be fixed with patches while it's more required to publicly talk about the Framework itself.
Sure GNOME will become better but the time developers spent fixing all the stuff is the time that speaks for KDE to really improve it with needed features. We here on GNOME are only walking in the circle but don't have a real progress in true usability (not that farce people talk to one person and then to the next). Real usability here is using the features provided by the architecture that is when I as scientists want to do UML stuff that I seriously find an application written for that framework that can do it. When I eye over to the KDE architecture then as strange it sounds I do find more of these needed tools than I can find on GNOME. This can be continued in many areas where I find more scientific Software to do my work and Software that works reliable and not crash or misbehave or behave unexpected.
Comparing Nautilus with Konqueror is pure nonsense, comparing GNOME with KDE is even bigger nonsense. If we get a team of developers on a Table and discuss all the crap we find between KDE and GNOME then I can tell from own experience that the answer is clearly that GNOME will fail horrible here.
We still have many issues on GNOME which are Framework related. We now got the new Fileselector but yet they still act differently in each app. Some still have the old Fileselector, some the new Fileselector, some appearance of new Fileselectors are differently than in other apps that use the new Fileselector code and so on. When people talk about polish and consistency, then I like to ask what kind of consistency and polish is this ? We still have a couple of different ways to open Window in GNOME.
- GTK-Application-Window,
- BonoboUI Window,
- GnomeUI Window,
Then a lot of stuff inside GNOME are hardcoded UI's, some are using *.glade files (not to mention that GLADE the interface buil
To quote Sun's website...
More Manageable and Secure: Java Desktop System is more secure desktop solution available.
On a more serious note, WHO CARES? It's yet another desktop for people to chose from. Why pay when you can set-up GNOME/KDE to look the same?
"The best laid plans of mice and men gang oft agley..." - ROBERT BURNS
It's for the Desktop, "Java Desktop", so why does it require such steroid-induced hardware specifications?
Seriously, how can they expect desktops to have this much power? You only have those kind of specs on small servers or gaming machines, and if you have a server I don't think you'd go with Java on the desktop, and if you're into games you'd go with Windows.
Not to say it might be a good OS (I haven't tried it) but it just seems far too heavy for their target market.
When will the linux desktops going to "lead" in innovation instead of lagging, continually trying to replicated some outdated version of windows?
Although you've been modded as a troll, you are right in large part it seems linux tries to emulate windows. It's not a bad thing, because it allows people to switch when they get too disgruntled with windows. However, the bigger payoff would be if someone developed a desktop enviornment that was BETTER than windows. Not just in preformance, but in look in feel
and that is exactly what sun is trying to do with project looking glass.
Check out some of the movies and screenshots of it if you haven't seen them yet (it's been posted on slashdot) they are pretty badass imo.
Being GNU/Sun would leave it devoid of a kernel though :-\
i honestly don't think it matters too much. i mean really what more on the gui can we actually do that would be considered "innovative"? put desktop icons in a different place? move a taskbar here or there? if your primary goal is to make it easier for windows users to get accustomed to linux, then a desktop that resembles windows makes sense. besides, its just how it looks to them. you still have the underlying linux security no matter how ugly/pretty the desktop looks like. as for unifying development, while i agree that a basic set of rules wouldn't be a bad thing, part of the advantage of linux is in its variety. just look at how many websites and programs are devoted to change the look and feel of windows xp. style xp, object dock, litestep, i know i'm missing some others, but any search for those and you'll find many people that don't have the standard "start" and taskbar buttons. variety of desktops isn't stopping determined people from using linux. its tie in to hardware, locked down apis, and a chicken and egg situation with drivers that are keeping people from linux. anybody can learn a new gui. the same people that people consider "lusers" had to learn their way through the windows gui when they HAD to to get their work done, and with most guis for linux being similar to windows, in theory it really shouldn't take that long. in a business setting, just give them a basic desktop locked down with icons to whatever word replacement, excel replacement, browser replacement, etc they need and outside of it being called different most users won't even notice the difference.
But the name is just a label. In terms of crediting the primary developers, "GNU" is the fairest name. For yer average free software distro, if you want to credit two parts - or you want to make it clear that the OS isn't exactly the GNU OS, "GNU/Linux" is the fairest name.
Maybe in Suns GNU/Linux distro, the second biggest contributor is Sun? I don't know.
Ah, they can call it what they want. I just wish people would call GNU based OS's GNU/whatever so that people know that they are using the practical output of the GNU philosophy.
That's one of the most insane MINIMUM system requirements that I've ever seen. It's probably a good thing that it's a corporate desktop solution. Could you imagine the requirements to run a game on top of that?
Life today. Uncertainty tomorrow.
Sun Java Desktop is based on Suse Linux. Suse Linux is owned by Novell.
Sun and Novell are the top 2 contributors to OpenOffice/Star Office.
Novell's Suse Linux comes with OpenOffice, while Sun Java Desktop comes with StarOffice.
Consensus is good, but informed dictatorship is better
Not a good commando name.
I'll keep that in mind the next time I go to shut down a windows machine and I click on the "Start" button todo so.
Though one of my peeves is the dumb windows gui for the file types gui.
Considering the importance that file extensions have in windows, doesn't it make sense that this should be its own object in the control panel?
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
The speed of Java, the intuitiveness and simplicity of Windows, the sanity of SkyOS all in one product!
Panurge has posted for the last time. Thanks for the positive moderations.
"its command", not "it's command".
Yeah, I know, it's pedantic, but there's no sweeter act of pedantry than correcting a grammar pedant.
jf
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-Steve
Check out an open source java desktop: jd4x.sourceforge.net - it's fast, cute, and mostly Java.
Don't be an idiot, Linux is a part of the Java Desktop. Other parts to it are Gnome, X, C, etc. We're not going to name every fucking part of a Desktop every time we need to refer to it.
We also call it a "Sony" TV, not a Sony/Samsung/NEC/... TV because it uses chipsets from these other companies. Sun took various parts (including Linux), and put them together to make their own product. They can call it whatever they like.
Sun will do well with this, and you will remain a moronic Linux zealot stuck in your parents' basement.
Oh wow. That has got to be one of poorest mod decisions i've seen in a while. How, exactly, is that a troll? i use the Java Desktop...i work as an admin with Sun systems. i have a slow machine at work, but would like to try the Java Desktop at home, but not until i have my shit backed up.
Tell me, how in the world is that a troll?
As came up in the previous Java desktop discussion, there is some ambiguity as to the use of the word Java, Sun now considers Java to be a brand, just like GM has brands of Chevy and Oldsmobile, thus the Java desktop doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Java the programming language. Being a Java programmer myself, it may be hard to live the fact with our favorite language is now a pseudonymn for a corporate brand, but we need to call spade a spade. For Sun Java is a name they use to sell product and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a programming language. Mark Mark
Java Desktop is actually SUSE Linux....
Exactly. A Sony TV is a Sony product based upon the foundations of what is commonly accepted to be a TV. Take a vanilla kernel, add GNU's tools and GNU have jsut produced a "product" (loosely of course) based on Linux.
Love it or hate it, the fact of the matter is that usage and security policy enforcement and management for client computers is a major missing feature for corporate deployments of Linux-on-the-desktop. Windows is way, way ahead in this area with Active Directory and GPO's and there is little sign of this being addressed in the near future for linux. Until it is, LoTD is going to be a tough sell in many businesses.
That is what the real value of Sun's offering (and presumable Novell/SuSE, eventually Red Hat) -- the ability to manage the end points via a centralized console. I have no idea if it's a good solution, just that it's a gaping hole as of right now.
This would include things like mandatory use of proxies, inability to alter desktop icons/wallpapers, software deployment, control of the host-based firewall, patching, being able to central set login hours, etc... all from a central console.
I know all of these things exist as discreet components, but they are not well integrated or easily managed with all free software for very large numbers of "worker" desktops. For kiosk type deployments (for which there are solutions) or for engineer/technical workstations, for which you don't really need a solution like the one I'm talking about, linux is OK as now. But the middle ground is the hardest part because that is where Windows is strongest.
All imnsho, of course.
Java is too many different things, it gets confusing. Java is a desktop, A VM, and a programing language. At least icrosoft had the brains to give Windows, .Net, and C# different names.
Yeah, that's old
I'm currently running JDS on a ThinkPad T20: PIII 700 w/ 256MB RAM. I don't play games or watch movies on it - DVD playback is choppy (go figure) - but it works very well for everyday office tasks and as a portable network assessment platform. Even StarOffice seems to run smoothly and without undue delay. *shrug* I wouldn't want to compile anything large on it (so gentoo is not an option (zing!)) but smaller sources (like Xine) take only a couple minutes.
Before some goober snorts "a couple minutes to compile Xine!!11!oneone LOL", said goober should keep in mind that this is designed as a desktop system - think Joe and Jane EndUser (or Joe and Jane Sixpack if you don't get along w/ the EndUsers).
Customers also appreciate the fact that it is backed by a reputable company.
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
I got an email on Sun's mailing list today that had a URL to their presentation, quite slick and looks a great corporate desktop. They mentioned Linux (by accident ???) three times and SuSE once. They stated their intention to have a Solaris version out next year. They also added a nice touch where corporates buying the "Java" desktop are allowed installation on their employees' home machines.
> > When will the linux desktops going to "lead"
> > in innovation instead of lagging, continually
> > trying to replicated some outdated version of
> > windows?
>
> and that is exactly what sun is trying to do with
> project looking glass.
And the obvious follow-up question:
When will the linux desktops going to "lead"
in innovation instead of lagging, continually
trying to replicated some outdated version of
OS X?
bp
> Quickly: the desktop environment is essentially
> the same...
Yep, same mis-mash of incompatible crap as
before.
Yet Another Worthless Linux Distibution
................ ?
supports my scanner? no.
supports the TV out function of my video card? no.
can tranfer pictures to my computer from my digital camera? no.
And so ther reason to use it is
trollings Interesting? Good job moderators, as always.
Where's the GPL?
Hidden away 4 dialog layers deep i suspect.
The easiest way to increase exposure to this is to release this free for non-commercial use. Until they do that there is no way anyone is going to be paying 100 bucks to try this out.
I have looked at the screenshots and film clips of project looking glass and I fail to see the benefit of rotating windows other than as some novelty eye candy.
By the way there was a program that used to cause OS/2 windows to do a similar thing.
from the java-desktop-still-a-stupid-name dept.
/. editors considers the java desktop to be a stupid name. Is that view more or less shared by /. readers? And why yes (or not)?
So
The purpose of life is to find the purpose of life.
If with my limited distribution experience I can point to similiar features being offered right now from existing distributions this is a good thing -- competition is good for the customer.
I didn't mention SUSE (the new capitalization) because I haven't seen it since Novell acquired it; but I look forward to Novell's SUSE offering and seeing with Novell's backing SUSE fares at continuing to raise the bar at server, workstation and even desktop distributions.
It's funny to see the emergence of criticism against all the choices available with Linux -- kind of like the overwhelming sensation of a Breshnev-Era Soviet citizen walking into a Western supermarket "Too many choices! How many kinds of coffee must one have? How many different kinds of salt?" Choice no longer just means "Home or Pro," "Standard or Enterprise Architect?"
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
I'll keep that in mind the next time I go to shut down a windows machine and I click on the "Start" button todo so.
I don't see the problem. If you're going to be pedantic about it, The Start menu is appropriate. You are not Stopping the shutdown process, after all...
Though one of my peeves is the dumb windows gui for the file types gui. Considering the importance that file extensions have in windows, doesn't it make sense that this should be its own object in the control panel?
Well, the power-user can use the console with the 'assoc' and 'ftype' commands in the NT flavours, or through the folder options menu. Presumably MS feel 99% of regular users will never need more than the 'right-click|open with...' menu. You're entitled to your own pet peeves, of course, but I personally don't feel limited by it.
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I read the above as Tolkien Ring revival! w00t!
"Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge, and where is the knowledge we have lost in information?"-T.S.Eliot
....sells linux peecees of various flavors for cheap *online*. Walmart brick and mortar stores sell only mid range and up priced peecess, exclusively with XP on them, and all the software is for windows. Most of the low-end regular everyday prices I have seen there are like 500 or so rounded off with sales tax, etc., then they go up from there. I've seen some examples of cheaper ones on the floor, scratch and dents, etc, but not the linux boxes ever.
disclaimer, last I knew/heard about it and saw at various walmarts when my gfriend insists I go into one. If it was up to me I'd boycott them forever.
A Linux distro with Gnome and Mozilla.
And for only $100 a year! Oh Boy!
... that Betty and everyone else locked into a cube day after day after day needs something to feel like a human being, and not just a de humanized cog in a heartless machine that starts off by hiring them as a "human resource" instead of a "person"nel. Employees aren't even classed as "people"now, they are just "stock" like stuff on the shelf in the warehouse, or no more important than the copier.
Modern businesses are bad about abusing employees, they want trained rats, not human beings. For some people, a cute screen saver might be to that person a tremendous morale booster, trivial as it may seem to someone else. Modern corporate life and life in consumerville and taxhell USA is bad enough when things are going smoothly, take away peoples human-ness,their individuality, turn them into--I dunno, hive creatures, termites, to force them into some mold beyond reason, is not only cruel, it's insane from a business standpoint as well, you won't have happy camper employees, ever.
A compromise might be better, something along like, personalization of your desktop is acceptable, provided the installed piece of eyecandy crap or whatever is reviewed for being spyware or malware first. Yes, more work for the techs, so what, that's their job, keep the computers happy so that the happy computers make the humans sitting in front of them happy, working, so that your company can keep making happy profits. Seems reasonable to me.
Give you an example. I used to work for a guy didn't allow playing the radio. Umm, I work outside all my life mostly,blue collar, not white collar jobs, but the principle is the same. The radio didn't interfere with squat, but it "wasn't allowed". Me being able to hear my news and talk shows and a few tunes now and then keeps me happy and productive. Not having it annoys me right off the bat, I started dreading going to work because it meant a lot to me and it was such a BS rule, finally I quit, and I can guarantee I wasn't as productive as I could be, and starting each day off with animosity towards the boss is just not a good idea.
Just a few thoughts. I fully understand how vital secure computers are,and surely there's a way to keep all the people who use them at the shop at least partly satisifed that "their" machine they get to use is somehow really "theirs" for the time they sit in front of it every day. NOT doing that would be- like- insisting that the company trucks have their seats bolted down in one general position, so that no one could adjust them to "fit" better. Sure, you could still drive the truck, but really....
--dave
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They lack the funding required to innovate in most cases. It's far easier to try and recreate and maybe add some enhancements than it is to completely come up with something revolutionary. To do the latter you have to spend a lot of resources on reaserch and development which includes user trials, user feedback and a whole lot of wasted effort on things that don't pan out.
Open source projects don't have a model where they can through that much into them. That is the case for most of the big open source projects anyway. Projects that compete in new areas, where there isn't an established market are a whole different beast.
I'm not trying to say that's bad. It has a lot of benefits. You can increase productivity of the development of a project as well as keep the project managable.
Open source needs companies around that are putting money into R&D so that they can benefit from those efforts. To try and kill off those companies would not be beneficial in my opinion. It's kind of like in races, where you see competitors tightly behind one another trying to draft off the person in front of them. It makes it easier for them to improve their performance while the competitor/teammate in front of them does slightly more work.
Where it not for companies like Sun, who believed in open standards and publishing a lot of their work, would the linux kernel be where it's at today? If you look athe the linux kernel archives you see a lot of references to benchmarking against sun's kernel as well as "how sun does it".
Sun and linux do things in different ways. Sun is engineered for stability. I don't just mean it's more stable than linux. I mean Sun puts a lot of effort into binary compatibility accross versions as well as having a very long support lifetime for their products. Some people need the best, the fastest, the newest. Others need to know that in 7 years from the project's inception, they won't have to be left in the dust because they can't upgrade their OS without rewriting their code, which limits them in being able to upgrade hardware, etc.
Imposing those kinds of restrictions is good for a lot of customers. Not imposing those types of restrictions is good for a lot of others.
If Solaris does get GPL'd it would be a huge thing for the OSS community. I don't think linux should adopt all the things solaris does. Linux should be linux and solaris should be solaris.
Open Source Java DAO Generator
One would hope that with Novell's superior NDS technology and experience and their Zenworks products, that these issues can and will be addressed in the near future.
More Manageable and Secure: Java Desktop System is more secure desktop solution available.
Looks like they've offshored their web design.
With a few exceptions, such as the System management tools, most of these features can be found in a normal linux system. I'm obviously missing something here?
You got the system management tools part, which is more than the average reviewer of JDS 1 got. Pretty much all of them read like this:
Sun's Java Desktop System is not as good as Mandrake for installing on your home machine to run an IRC server. Also, I had a hard time setting the wallpaper to be naked Manga girls. Maybe it would be good at a company or something.
Don't let this happen to you! If you review this product, talk about how it'd be in an enterprise setting or don't review it at all. My suspicion is that it's still overhyped if you do take this into account, but I'd at least like to find out.
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I have just de-crapped my 4th computer of the week. Yet another 2.4+ GHz consumer box completely ridden with ad/spy/crap-ware.
For Sun to be viewed as "fast" by these unfortunate souls that cannot learn rudimentary do's and don'ts (and recovery) all they have to do is block invasive software.
I strongly suspect that if my friend installed JD on their systems they'd say "boy that is fast!"
What is it with these pussies who think it's 'leet to not use a shift key? I suppose they think readers are thinking "My, how avant garde, to not shift. He must be a real free-thinker; I would like to suck his cock."
It is kind of sad, actually. Such an obvious display of 'difference' is really just a compensation for the writer's true lack of difference in life. Such writers are actually HIGHLY conformist, and think that if they do something different than 99% of other people, that they are really something special.
Actually, it really just shows what a latent (if not blatant) homosexual one is. And yes, I wish you would let me suck your cock, because your writing style shows me you really are into that sort of thing.
All the best.
You misspelled NIC. Way to go, now you have proven that you are even dumber than the grandparent poster.
The abbreviation NIC is not misspelled. Re-read the post you fucktard.
"will extend platform support to the Solaris SPARC and x86 platforms"
What they don't support x86 now? I must of been misled by them when they said that the minimum requirement was a Piii 600 Mhz.
I meant windows.
My beef with everyone trying to look like windows is there's no user interface innovation. The OS X doc and user experience is great - though it is nothing like the windows start menu.
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fair enough. Everyone's entitled to a bit of message garbling brain-failiure, now and then!
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... I understand what you are saying and agree pretty much with it. it seems if both parties in the work contract can stick to a certain amount of reasonalbness, then things will neither get out of hand or descend into boring unproductive heck-fire.
Oh man, your ugly trucks. I can relate. I worked for a company for years made me wear a fluroescent orange shirt. I mean that sucker was loud. I can't even say the name of the company it's even lamer and more embarrassing. But.. I got a lot of work from them and they treated me more or less OK.
the things you'll do for money.....