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Student Uncovers US Military Secrets

karthik_r085 writes "According to The Register, An Irish graduate student has uncovered words blacked-out of declassified US military documents using nothing more than a dictionary and text analysis software. Claire Whelan, a computer science student at Dublin City University was given the problems by her PhD supervisor as a diversion. David Naccache, a cryptographer with Gemplus, challenged her to discover the words missing from two documents: one was a memo to George Bush, and another concerned military modifications to civilian helicopters."

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  1. WMD!! by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh OH, i can see it coming already, text analysis and dictionary software declared as Weapons of Mass Destruction! That, and Ireland is going to become the next member of the "axis of evil"

    1. Re:WMD!! by samhalliday · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Ireland is going to become the next member of the "axis of evil"

      its full of terrorists!! oh, hold on...

    2. Re:WMD!! by FyRE666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Next stop for her: Guantanemo Bay...

    3. Re:WMD!! by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 5, Funny

      We must liberate all of that innocent Guinness from the oppressive Irish regime.

    4. Re:WMD!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, boo hoo. Just because a couple of idiots from South Armagh decide to drive a truck filled with fertiliser into Canary Wharf doesn't mean that they had *any* support from people in the Republic. Northern Irish terrorism is a particularly insular phenomenon which by and large has no greater connection with people in the Republic than it does with those in the mainland UK.

      Take a representative sample of Irish people and ask them whether they want stronger economic and social ties with the United Kingdom or a reunited Ireland, and I can guarantee that over two-thirds will say they want better ties to the UK.

      The idiots in the North are no more representative of Irish culture or political identity than those in the UK's BNP.

    5. Re:WMD!! by igbrown · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "I suggest the people who modded this comment funny go and look at what the Irish did to London in 1993."

      I am not sure that the IRA == the Irish, any more than Al Qaeda == the Muslims.

    6. Re:WMD!! by Angus+Prune · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And maybe they should look at what the English have done to the Irish for hundreds of years.

      History cannot be examined in isolation.

    7. Re:WMD!! by Speare · · Score: 4, Insightful
      How sad is it when you read:
      • Re: WMD!! (Score: 5, Funny)
        Next stop for her: Guantanemo Bay...

      The government has already proven it will detain people just for what they know, without criminal charge, without provocation, without family access, without legal representation, without regard for international criticism, without regard for international laws and norms, without safeguards for personal safety, without justification or oversight by the courts.

      I doubt the G goons will be sweeping up this particular researcher, but what small and subtle distinction really lies between this case and others? What shred of humanity protects her from the inhumanity of the Bush/Rumsfeld/Ashcroft three-ring circus? Oh, she has red hair and freckles? Alrighty then.

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    8. Re:WMD!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Both countries are more alike socially than either would care to admit (except for the lack of a large black or asian population in Ireland). As for ecomonic ties, those were effectively severed when Ireland joined the Euro and Britain didn't.

      As an Irish citizen, I can tell you that your 'guarantee' is absolute shite. Of course people in the republic would like to see a united Ireland, but not at the price of more death. That and the Republic couldn't economically afford to have the North.

    9. Re:WMD!! by cmallinson · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Big difference, beheading and detaining. but then War is hell. Best to hope the next missile doesn't fly up your ass or perhaps you would best fight the war with tea and more BS.

      I'll explain the difference for you.

      One is a sick and disgusting act by a few individuals who lack the ability to turn their anger into something constructive. The other is a violation of international law and generally recognized human rights condoned by a government who doesn't want to talk about what those terrorists and their supporters are so damn angry about.

      You are comparing an act by a radical wing of an already radical fundamentalist group to a government policy supported act of the most powerful country in the world.

      The U.S. government did research on the Muslim culture, and found out how to break down their people, as was done in the Iraqi prisons. The acts forced on these people are, to some Muslim people, worse than death. Try to understand that, and then put yourself in their shoes.

    10. Re:WMD!! by jasonisgodzilla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First point, they are detaining people who may have had knowledge of terrorist attacks, not people who certainly had knowledge. So now they're detaining people because they might know something, not just those who actually do know something. You then claim they are treated humanely as enemy combatants, but then you go back and claim that the rules of law do not apply because they're not enemy combatants but terrorists. If they're terrorist then normal criminal procedings must take place. if they are enemy combatants then the geneva convention applies. Lastly, your statement about provocation. How is a bombing considered to be provocation for a massive invasion with no ties to the actual bombinb. If we are using 911 as justification saudi seems like a better target.

  2. Ingenious... by Denyer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "The first task is to identify the font, and font size the missing word was written in. Once that is done, the dictionary search begins for words that fit the space, plus or minus three pixels"

    This is why I don't work for an intelligence agency. On the other hand, I'm still probably better qualified than people who think blacking out a few words in a document strips them of contextual information...

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    1. Re:Ingenious... by torpor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is why I don't work for an intelligence agency

      how righteous of you. in fact, if you look and know a little about intelligence analysis techniques, i think you'll find that the NSA already know about this approach for 'interpreting' typewritten redacts, even as far back as the 50's.

      what this story really seems to point out is the naivete of a lot of people about computers, and the powerful simplicity to seemingly difficult problems that they offer ... the average consumer.

      it wasn't so long ago that the idea of having massive dictionaries in ram and font and calculations on this order to make a practical approach was considered relatively 'resource difficult'.

      but moores laws and fry's electronics has certainly changed that.

      for the price of a nice night out, i could buy an extra computer for brute-force hacks against any target, stick it in my closet and forget about it. used to be, not so long ago you had to have a halon system and power room to do things like that ...

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    2. Re:Ingenious... by blair1q · · Score: 4, Interesting

      how righteous of you. in fact, if you look and know a little about intelligence analysis techniques, i think you'll find that the NSA already know about this approach for 'interpreting' typewritten redacts, even as far back as the 50's.

      I just wish the intelligence community and their unintelligent sycophants the press would stop using redact to mean elide.

      Especially as a noun, because a "typewritten redact" is like a copy editor with ink hammered onto him, somewhere.

    3. Re:Ingenious... by torpor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I dunno, I think redact is completely suitable. It means 'prepare for publication', and on most redacts I've seen, it has to be by law -obvious- where the preparation was made on originally 'unalterted material'.

      'elide' is a pretty good word ... Be nice if we could use words like that in general speech.

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    4. Re:Ingenious... by Tony-A · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All you need to do is use a fixed-width font, and then all the decrypter would be able to find out is how many letters in the given word

      "In January, the State Department required that its documents use a more modern font, Times New Roman, instead of Courier"

      That my friends is what is know as "progress".

    5. Re:Ingenious... by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do they have to release the original documents with original sections blocked out?

      Why not just release retyped docs with placeholders for blocked out sections.

      For instance:

      Original:
      It seems that the president wishes us to bomb the hell out of iraq. He's pissed off that saddam wanted to kill his daddy. also there's the issues of controlling the oil flow, and protecting israel. god forbid anyone thinks that the israilies are the biggest part of the problem out there.

      Released with blocks:
      It seems that XXXXXXXXXXXXX wishes us to bomb the hell out of iraq. He's XXXXXXXXXX that saddam wanted to XXXXXXXXXXXXXX. also there's the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX the XXXXXXXX, and XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. god forbid XXXXXX thinks that XXXXXXXXXXXXX are the XXXXXXXXXXXX XX XXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

      My proposal:
      It seems that |CLASSIFIED| wishes us to bomb the hell out of iraq. He's |CLASSIFIED| that saddam wanted to |CLASSIFIED|. also there's the |CLASSIFIED| the |CLASSIFIED|, and |CLASSIFIED|. god forbid |CLASSIFIED| thinks that |CLASSIFIED| are the |CLASSIFIED| |CLASSIFIED| |CLASSIFIED| |CLASSIFIED|.

      I think this simple step would go a long way towards soving the problem. The process could probably even be automated somewhat by using some type of OCR software on the original blocked out documents.

      Is there some law against this? Like that TPTB have to release the original doc?

      wbs.

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    6. Re:Ingenious... by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 5, Funny

      It sems that |CLASSIFIED| wishes us to bomb the hell out of iraq. He's |CLASSIFIED| that saddam wanted to |CLASSIFIED|. also there's the |CLASSIFIED| the |CLASSIFIED|, and |CLASSIFIED|. god forbid |CLASSIFIED| thinks that |CLASSIFIED| are the |CLASSIFIED| |CLASSIFIED| |CLASSIFIED| |CLASSIFIED|.

      Sounds quite like the Nixon transcrpits released during the Watergate investigation, but instead of "classified" there was "expletive deleted" back then.

    7. Re:Ingenious... by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 4, Funny

      OK, it's been a few hours. Here's how I fill in the blanks:

      It seems that |cheeney| wishes us to bomb the hell out of iraq. He's |not convinced| that saddam wanted to |give up all wmd's|. also there's the |belief in the cabinet that| the |american people will fall for the wmd story and never look back|, and |will even go for a cooked up al queda link as well|. god forbid |the UN security council| thinks that |our phony iraq facts| are the |crap that they are| |or else we're going to have to go in there even though we're going to piss off every enemy and friend we have| |lose all integrity as a nation| |and give the whacko terrorists even more popular support in the arab world and more of a reason to set off bombs inside the continental united states|.

      wbs.

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  3. The one to Bush.... by Pranjal · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...said
    "Please please please let the army attack Iraq"

    Apparently the word that was blacked out was please.

  4. good for her by nomadic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pretty funny, but luckily she's from Ireland. If an American did this they'd probably receive a visit from some intelligence goons in short order.

    1. Re:good for her by iabervon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I suspect there would be a 50/50 chance that the visit from the intelligence goons would be a job offer. US intelligence sorely needs people who can read between the lines and actually come up with correct answers.

    2. Re:good for her by nomadic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know about that. They do need people like that, but I think they might not know they need people like that.

    3. Re:good for her by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      The CIA is and was in fine shape. Their analyses were solid. They were correct on every recommendation.

      What happened was the insertion of civilian ideologues into the analysis process. They cherry-picked what Bush wanted to hear, disregarded the rest, forced analysts to shut up or resign. On the Wilson matter, they outed the analyst's wife as a CIA agent, crippling a front company and endangering many lives -- just to make sure that any CIA boy who cared to call them liars would know how they would be dealt with. Even the mafia doesn't go after your wife.

      Please. Let's not parrot the main talking point that the "CIA gave the president bad intelligence". They gave him great advice. They were disregarded.

      Oh, and let us pray there is a hell so George Tenet will get a choice seat in the ninth circle.

  5. What happens to here research? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can gov stop her research on National Security grounds.

    An example of the program in use.

    G.W Bush is the ____________ of the United States of America.

    After the program

    G.W Bush is the idiot of the United States of America.

  6. obvious solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously, the next step the government will take is to require all documents be written in fixed-width fonts. Either that or they will require that all documents be converted into fixed-width before they are released for FFIA inquiries.

    Don't see how this is a big threat.

    1. Re:obvious solution by zhenlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Variable width fonts makes this easier. Or not.
      'iiii' probably has the same width as 'MM' in some variable width fonts.

      On the other hand, fixed width fonts allows calculation of the exact amount of letters to fit in.

      In any case, the 'official' font of the US Government was Courier New 12 for quite some time.

    2. re: obvious solution by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      require all documents be written in fixed-width fonts

      That's no solution at all. You can still determine the word based on the context and the character count. It's just that the pool of possible solutions will be a little bigger.

    3. Re:obvious solution by Feanturi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wouldn't fixed-width just make it easier to figure out how many letters were in the missing words?

    4. Re:obvious solution by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. But knowing 5 letters are in a word doesn't narrow it down nearly as much as knowing the word is 46 pixels long.

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    5. Re:obvious solution by grondin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly wrong. What is needed is RANDOM width fonts.

      The folks at typografica suggest the "ransom note" type fonts

    6. Re:obvious solution by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes. But knowing 5 letters are in a word doesn't narrow it down nearly as much as knowing the word is 46 pixels long.

      Maybe its just me, but the way I see it, is if you know that a word is 5 letters long, then you know its x pixels long (knowing the width of one character and you them all with monospaced). With a variable width font you know the length, but you don't know the number of characters. This means you go from 26^5 permuations, for the previous example, (26^n generally), to how ever many different letters fit in that space. For example 'will' with take up as much space as 'iiill', so you have a combination of multiple powers, in this case (26^4 + 26^5). For longer words you have more possible variations.

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    7. Re:obvious solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      iiill would never get chekced, because it isn't in the dicinoairy. What your doing is dividing all the word in a dicionairy into for example 147 catagories (3-150Pixles) instead of say 40 (1-40 letters). Now you do the math from here.

    8. Re:obvious solution by LS · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't you think that if they had the insight to convert a censored document to fixed width, that they would also make all the blacked-out spaces of the same length, and give NO information to potential cryptographers?

      LS

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    9. Re:obvious solution by nacturation · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're talking about encrypted text, then your point is very valid. However, for English words you can get a much better result by using a dictionary to limit the number of words that fit the pattern.

      How many 5 letter words are there in the English language? According to /usr/share/dict/words, there's 9987 words, from aalii to zymin. Compare that to how many combinations of letters add up to 60 pixels? If the letter "i" is 4 pixels -- 3 pixels for the letter, one pixel space after it -- then you *could* guess that the word is "iiiiiiiiiiiiiii". In fact, there's a hell of a lot more possibilities doing it the pixel way, but you can reduce this down by using a dictionary. "iiiiiiiiiiiiiii" isn't in the dictionary. You can also reject outright words that have impossible letter combinations. Three of any letter in a row can be rejected, Q followed by X can be rejected, etc. The rest you do a dictionary lookup to see if they exist.

      It'd be an interesting exercise to perform. Luckily for the researcher, the word preceding the blacked out word was "an", which implies that the next word starts with a vowel. So that narrowed it down to only 7 potential words based on pixel length and dictionary lookup, and the one that seemed to work best was Egyptian. However, if all you knew was that it was an 8 letter word beginning with a vowel... you'd be looking at 6089 possibilities (again, according to /usr/share/dict/words and grep).

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  7. old news by Swen+Swen · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Monde (famous French newspaper) published an article on the story a few days ago. An English translation can be found here.

    1. Re:old news by JGski · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Or maybe it's like saying "The El Alcazar" (a fortress in Spain). :-)

      (The = The (English), El = The (Spanish), Al = The (Arabic)). :-) :-)

    2. Re:old news by theaphila · · Score: 2, Funny

      or "the la brea tar pits" ("the 'the tar' tar pits")

  8. No real Secrets were harmed... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The student didn't actually solve for any real US secrets, because the documents she was using were already declassified. However, as an academic exercise this demonstrates that there's still information being conveyed in the typical black-out way of "redacting" certain words from documents.

    And, since the information was known, we're sure that she did come up with the correct solutions.

  9. Re:wake-up call by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The other way to get around this problem would be to do the blackouts against a digital version of the document, so that the words are all replaced with blocks of equal size without revealing any information about how long the oriignal words were.

  10. If that's all.. by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Damn, with our nation in the state it is today? She'd be goddamn lucky to get ONLY a visit. Sad but true :(

  11. Perfect. by NegativeK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a classic example of security through obscurity.. And how it fails miserably.

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    1. Re:Perfect. by KnightStalker · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, that would be security through bureaucracy, a highly effective method.

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  12. Text message lingo by doria13 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps the US government should start using text message lingo in their memos.

    "An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told an Egyptian srvic @ d sAm tym dat bn l@n wz plnin 2 exploit d operatives acces 2 d us 2 mount a terrorist strike"*

    Could make decoding sensitive documents much more difficult and at the same time provide jobs for teenage cryptologists.

    *lingo courtesy of transl8it.com

    1. Re:Text message lingo by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nah, I think the US gov should employ more people who can barely write. Misspelled words won't match the word lenght of the correctly spelled word. Using creative grammar would make it harder to find the right word type. And random punctuation would make it harder to find seperate sentences.
      Combined we get security through ignorance.

    2. Re: Text message lingo by dswartze · · Score: 3, Funny

      You fail to realise who the current administration is. When would they ever want to invade only two

    3. Re:Text message lingo by mousse-man · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think using ebonics could provide an additional layer of cover.

  13. Couldn't one just.... by RoTNCoRE · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Change the length of the blacked out portion to some standard generic length to avoid disclosing the word length? Then you could only use context.

    Or if you wanted to be really sneaky, randomize the length of the blacked out box, to spur wild goose chases.

  14. Other Secrets by clonan · · Score: 3, Funny

    So...can they now tell us how REALLY killed Kennedy?

    1. Re:Other Secrets by Da+Fokka · · Score: 2, Funny

      So...can they now tell us how REALLY killed Kennedy?
      You're getting it all wrong... it's spelled OSWALD...

  15. Re:Well? by k98sven · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What did the documents reveal??

    I think you'd be surprized how much irrelevant 'intelligence' ends up classified. Often, it's stuff which is already public (although not always general) knowledge but which the administration wants to deny.
    A lot of ass-covering, basically.

    But it gets even stranger. For instance the case of the de-classified CIA documents relating to the Pinochet dictatorship in Chile. (Whups, now there's a piece of flamebait..)

    Anyway, a bunch of these documents have been re-classified by the current administration, apparently to hide such disturbing secrets like what Señor Pinochet's favorite drink was. (Scotch)

  16. Re:wake-up call by b!arg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Before they release it they should convert the blacked out parts to 1337 speak...

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  17. Number one redaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nuculer.

    Dictionary-based approaches seem to miss this one for some reason.

  18. More examples by broothal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If people knew how easy it was to "break" simple means of protection, we'd see far less in the media.

    If you film a person in backlight, his face will be dark when you see him on tv. Cranking up the contrast (in most cases, just the contrast on the tv will do) shows the face clearly.

    If you pixelize the face of a person, he's not recognizeable. But unless he stands completely still, his movements will give enough info to calculate the originating pixels after a couple of minutes.

    If you apply a standard mixer filter to a persons voice, it sounds dark and unrecognizeable... Until you run the reverse algorithm.

    If you black out sentences with a marker, it's often just a question of holding the paper up agains the light to read it.

    I never understood this behaviour anyway. Why show a person on TV that obvoiously not want to be recoznized (however carefully concealed by the production)?

    As for documents - I'm pretty sure most documents are available electronically. Why not just delete the stuff you don't want people to see?

    1. Re:More examples by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you pixelize the face of a person, he's not recognizeable. But unless he stands completely still, his movements will give enough info to calculate the originating pixels after a couple of minutes.

      You have an example of this? something tells me you'll have a very hard time identifying changes in pixelation, like if you took a photograph and moved behind a pixelation mask, and changes in the image itself like lips moving, eyes blinking, turning (X-axis)/lowering & rising (Y-axis)/rolling (Z-axis) his head, facial expressions etc.

      Kjella

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    2. Re:More examples by jafuser · · Score: 2, Funny

      Another great one that's been in the news lately is doing redaction by drawing black squares over the top of words in a PDF document. The words are still there beneath the black rectangles, sort of like redacting a paper document by using electrical tape. =P

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  19. Re:...obligatory Irish joke... by Prod_Deity · · Score: 2, Funny

    I personally think she discovered it while her computer was infected with the Irish Virus

  20. Re:wake-up call by Jon+Kent · · Score: 3, Funny

    MEMORANDUM TO ALL EMPLOYEES OF THE DHS AND US INTELLIGENCE SERVICES:

    So as to counter the terrorists' latest methods for conducting espionage against our great nation, all official documents will now be composed in a combination of Wingdings 3 and MS Comic Sans.

    Sincerely, The Management

  21. Re:This headline is a bit hyperbolic by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But one thing to consider is whether redaction software does this at present. I don't believe that there is any such software. This story is informative in that it reveals that current redaction techniques may be inadequate.

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  22. Re:Whoah O_O by ilovegroupthink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As if that would work, only 1 in 10 RTFA to begin with.

  23. secrets indeed by trs9000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    quote of memo to bush from the article:
    "An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told an XXXXXXXX service at the same time that Bin Ladin was planning to exploit the operative's access to the US to mount a terrorist strike."
    and from the article itself:
    "This eliminated all but seven words: Ugandan, Ukrainian, Egyptian, uninvited, incursive, indebted and unofficial. Naccache plumped for Egyptian, in this case."

    AH-HAH!
    so an egyptian operative told an *egyptian* service....
    man this is some tricky work! uncovering covert secrets for sure!

    seriously though the technique is pretty awesome

  24. there's a lot of redacted FOIA documents... by zogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    .. already out there now. Like I'd like to see a lot of the Black Vault's thousands of documents translated, just for one interesting example, one of many. woo hoo this is cool!

  25. Parent is confused by moronga · · Score: 3, Informative

    A fixed-width font (like courier) uses the same width for all characters. A document printed in a fixed-width font would make the process easier, because you would know with certainty how many letters fit into a black box.

    If you read the article, the seven words that were found to be a possible fit range from seven to ten characters, implying that the document was printed in a variable width font.

  26. And what if.. by EdMcMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What if the blacked out word is not in the dictionary? Most of these blacked out things are very likely names or places, things that could not be so easily brainstormed or listed.

  27. What would have been funnier... by Black+Rabbit · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...would have been if the censored bits were revealed by running the document through the spelling and grammar check in Word!

  28. Re:This headline is a bit hyperbolic by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Student Uncovers Military Secrets

    What's wrong with that headline? She is a PhD student, she was able to deduce what properly lay under the black marks, and the uncovered material was classified, probably at a fairly high level.

  29. ----- Post! by jdkane · · Score: 2, Funny

    they won't know to mod this down

  30. Re:Well? by TexasDex · · Score: 3, Informative
    I found this on Yahoo News a while ago: WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) classified as "secret" and withheld from public dissemination for nearly 29 years a prank terrorist threat against Santa Claus, according to documents released.

    The threat -- purported to come from a then- and still-unknown group calling itself the "Group of the Martyr Ebenezer Scrooge" -- was contained in a classified compilation of intelligence on possible terrorist attacks produced by the CIA (news - web sites) in late 1974, according to the documents.

    "A new organization of uncertain makeup using the name 'Group of the Martyr Ebenezer Scrooge' plans to sabotage the annual courier flight of the Government of the North Pole," the CIA said in its December 17, 1974 "Weekly Situation Report on International Terrorism."

    "Prime Minister and Chief Courier S. Claus has been notified and security precautions are being coordinated worldwide by the CCCT working group," it said, identifying the night of December 24-25, 1974 as the date for the planned "sabotage."

    It was not clear whether the CIA had learned of a prank threat to Santa, or if the analysts compiling the report had inserted it as a holiday joke.

    Along with the threat to Santa, the situation report included deadly serious incidents and warnings including intelligence detailing potential terrorist attacks in the Middle East, possible bombs at the British embassy in Buenos Aires and a plane hijacking.

    Despite the dubious nature of the threat to Father Christmas, the CIA blacked out all references to it when the situation report was declassified in 1999, according to the documents.

    The documents, which include the original report as well as the redacted version released to the public in 1999, were released by the National Security Archive as part of its campaign against the "overclassification" of government files.

    "The CIAs secret Santa leads the archives lengthy compilation of declassified documents that illustrate the arbitrary and capricious decision making that all too often characterizes the US governments national security secrecy system," it said in a statement.

    The National Security Archive, part of the George Washington University in the US capital, is a private research group that seeks the declassification of government documents through the Freedom of Information Act for historical purposes.

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  31. This information isn't even blacked out! by zogger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On the contrary, the Project for A New American Century group, a coupla dozen high ranking neocons, CLEARLY outlined what they were going to do once they got in power. It's all on their publically available website. Some of it is in PDF downloads, but it's there. They planned to invade basically the oil producing nations of the middle east, and some others. They got in power, in charge,and wow, they invaded. They also said they needed a "pearl harbor" like event in advance to justify the invasion, and get the US people all enthused around it, and golly gee mother of all coincidences, that event occurred..

    I mean, it's real, it's there, you can see the names, the documents, it's written clearly, and the mass controlled media won't hardly ever mention it. I've seen very brief mentions at the best. I have yet to meet anyone in meatspace who has ever heard of them or their documents though. Wonder why that is? And I know it's been posted on slashdot several times, by various people, as well as on literally thousands of other forums and blogs. Radio talk show hosts all over have been clued in, but only a small handful even bother to acknowledge it, let alone come to the obvious conclusions looking at it. Journalists by the thousands have been clued in, yet there's a severe lack of coverage by most of the big names out there.

    No I don't blame democrats, or republicans, I blame the US people in general for being so unbelievably stupid and naieve and un-caring for this disaster. We are a nation of sports and entertainment addicts more than anything else. No one gives a crap. They are taught from the time they are toddlers to NOT give a crap. They are taught to parrot one of two party lines that are always essentially complete lies, and to be happy with that, and to never go further than to keep corralled into one of those two parties and to swallow down the 6 o clock news pablum. So they do it, brainwashing since being able to understand human speech is quite effective apparently. They simply refuse to learn from history,and they refuse to acknowledge reality, and that's why we generation after generation keep getting hosed. You are force fed you are either a liberal-democrat, or a conservative-republican and that is SUCH A LOAD OF CRAP. I am so amazed people keep falling into that trap.

    oh well...

    1. Re:This information isn't even blacked out! by zebez · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's from a pdf document, page 51: Document

      from wikipedia.org:

      "Critics, mostly from the far-left and the far-right, frequently quote out of context a line from Rebuilding America's Defenses which refers to the possibility of a "catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor" (p. 51), citing this as being suspiciously prescient of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks and suggesting that the PNAC or its associates wanted, knew about, or even were involved in the attacks. This quote is considered by some to be part of the evidence of a plot to use the attacks as a pretext for the implementation of their policies. Many even incorrectly claim that the report directly states that this "new Pearl Harbor" is needed to justify war on Iraq. However, a full reading of the text shows it says nothing of the sort. The line is in the middle of a discussion about the military's employment of emerging information technologies, and the report guesses that full transformation to new technologies is likely to be a slow process, absent some "catalyzing" event which would presumably cause the military to upgrade much more quickly."

    2. Re:This information isn't even blacked out! by demachina · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Another pretty good read is the New Yorker column on Copper Green:

      http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_ fa ct

      This SAP (Specal Access Program a.k.a Top Top Secret) was a highly successful program to kill, capture and use exceptional interrogation techniques, especially sexual humiliation tactics, against high value Al Qaeda targets in Afghanistan. Apparently there is an old book call "The Arab Mind" the neocons are using as their bible on how to interrogate Arabs.

      Unfortunately Rumsfeld and his deputy Cambone decided to apply the same techniques on taxi drivers in the prisons in Iraq. They went from using highly secure interrogation sites to a big insecure prison in the middle of Iraq. They went from using highly trained, disciplined and cleared special forces to do the interrogation to untrained, undisciplined Army reservists(ordinary people). The CIA was so disgusted with Rumsefeld and Cambone's efforts they withdrew, both because they knew the secrecy would be blown thanks to DOD sloppiness and they ethically objected in taking these extra legal tactics from use on top Al Qaeda, who probably deserve it, to Iraqi prisoners in a conventional war. The Army's own number suggest 60% of the Iraqi prisoners are wrongfully detained. The Red Cross thinks its more like 70-90%.

      All indications are Rumsfeld, Myers, and Cambone are between a rock and a hard place, they either commit perjury in front of Congress by denying knowledge of this project or rat it out and commit treason by exposing a top secret project. George W. is the only one who can declassify the program so the people really responsible are held accountable and that appears to be Rumsfeld, Meyers and Cambone.

      If this article is true, and it appears its sourced by people in the CIA and DOD who are exacting revenge on Rumsfeld and Cambone for there arrogance and stupidity then Rumsfeld is flat out lieing when he pretends like he didn't know about what was going on in Iraq and in fact ordered it. Its fundamentally wrong to charge a bunch of reservists, ordinary citizens, for following orders when they implemented this top secret program.

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    3. Re:This information isn't even blacked out! by vovin · · Score: 2, Informative

      First paragraph on page 63:

      Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrual policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current misstions.
      RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
    4. Re:This information isn't even blacked out! by Diplo · · Score: 5, Informative
      Check the signatories of the PNAC Statement Of Principles and note the signatures include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush and Lewis Libby.

      Now read this letter published on their website in May 1998 :

      " We should establish and maintain a strong U.S. military presence in the region, and be prepared to use that force to protect our vital interests in the Gulf - and, if necessary, to help remove Saddam from power."

      From the PNAC document 'Rebuilding Americas Defenses' dated September 2000 :

      " The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

      The document also :

      • Refers to key allies such as the UK as 'the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership';
      • Describes peace-keeping missions as 'demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations';
      • Reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA;
      • Says 'even should Saddam pass from the scene' bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as 'Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has';
      • Pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system'.

      For those that are interested (and that should be every free-thinking person) I've collected a lot more associated evidence which I published in an article on my website.

  32. Source? by beforewisdom · · Score: 2, Funny

    She didn't get these US Military secrects off of a BDSM site with pictures of women dragging men around on a leash did she?

    Ooops, never mind

    Steve

  33. Would you like to back that up please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Like the US 'harboured' Timothy McVeigh, or for that matter the September 11 terrorists? The fact that there are terrorists in the country does not mean that they are 'harboured'. I'd like to see *recent* complaints from the British authorities or any other source that the Irish government is actively 'harbouring' terrorists, or not doing all it can against them, thank you very much.

    If your definition does not require government support or acquiescence, but you are just pointing out that there are terrorist suspects living openly in Ireland, well we have these things called evidence and due process which in this country at least are required before people can be locked up (less so in the US I believe since the Patriot Act, Guatanamo Bay, etc.) Unfortunately there is not always sufficient evidence to obtain convictions against such suspects.

    Besides, by that definition there would be *far* more terrorists being 'harboured' in Northern Ireland, which is British terrority last time I looked. Ipso facto, the British government is harbouring terrorists that kill its very own citizens. Sheesh.

  34. Re:wake-up call by ejaw5 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don' think that would work. Didn't SCO already try this already?

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  35. One solution by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One way to solve this problem, of course, is to develop a font that constantly varies the size and type so that your document ends up looking like a ransom that's been clipped and pasted from a newspaper.

    One nice thing about being paranoid, you're never bored.

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  36. Solutions . . . by Dausha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, there are two solutions to this method of cracking. The first is never release classified documents. However, this does not work well in a free and open society.

    Nowdays, most, if not all, classified documents are created electronically. Perhaps the source document should be kept in an archive. When it is declassified, they just delete the text needed to lower the classification, or maybe replace the text with a few '#' to show were text was missing (but never a one-for-one character replacement). Then the released document is a little harder to crack.

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  37. Any photos of this lass? by cerberusss · · Score: 2, Funny

    Has anyone any photos of this geek girl? Yes, I tried Google images, but I don't think she looks like a puppy.

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    1. Re:Any photos of this lass? by t_allardyce · · Score: 2, Funny

      [insert compulsory goats.cx link here]

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  38. The Super Important Message by Ieshan · · Score: 4, Funny


    The Memo Went like this:

    URGENT: MSG from GEORGE W. BUSH
    TO: JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF

    1. ATTACK IRAQ
    2. ____???____
    3. PROFIT!!!

    Claire has finally revealed the second step!

    Read the article to find out.

  39. Don't Try This At Home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sorry, but in at least one of the cited examples, the methodology used requires an assumption that is false.

    The proposed method depends on the calculated length of the missing word(s).

    I believe that the "memo to George Bush" is the now infamous PDB of 8/6/03 (it was released in a PDF format). In this, the actual letters in the missing words were changed to nonsense characters (including non-alphanumeric symbiols) before the black box was drawn in. So the spaced taken up by the "redactions" have nothing to do (except by chance) with the length of the original words.

    Sorry. Try again.

  40. Then maybe I'm stupid too by The+Tyro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but I've been looking at that site, and haven't found too much alarming stuff, speaking as a life-long, well-traveled american. Their principles are clearly stated... do you think other nations don't have groups strategically plotting their future course? The difference in America is that you can go on a website, see the players, and read what they have to say. My cursory perusal didn't turn up much objectionable material. Can you point me to some specific papers and/or citations? I'm genuinely curious.

    I also never found a position paper advocating a conquest of the middle east and theft of their oil. For pity sake, americans want to buy the mideast's oil, not seize it (if the US military seriously wanted to take it, there'd be little to stop them... but that's not how americans see themselves on the world stage).

    One can attempt to argue whether American prominence is good for the world... but I would challenge you to put forth a better choice (China? Russia? Iran?). It's the nature of world affairs for the dominant powers to emerge... I would also submit to you that "the United Nations" is not an appropriate alternative... the UN's lack of action has resulted in much pain and suffering around the world, and their ludicrous committee appointments (Sudan and Cuba in the human rights group, for example) bring the credibility of that body into serious doubt.

    The US is the "big boy" on the block, and an easy target for derision... but on the whole I'd consider the US a force for good in the world... our track record in confronting various evils, and settling/winning various wars and conflicts speaks for itself.

    Granted, whether we have the political will to make Iraq work out remains to be seen. We certainly have the physical ability, but unfortunately that's not america's achilles heel... it's politics.

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    1. Re:Then maybe I'm stupid too by demachina · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The US is the "big boy" on the block, and an easy target for derision... but on the whole I'd consider the US a force for good in the world... our track record in confronting various evils, and settling/winning various wars and conflicts speaks for itself."

      Keep telling yourself that. Its simply not true. Chat with the average person in Iran, Guatemala, Argentina, Chile, Haiti, Dominican Republic, the Phillipines.

      The Phillipines endured a brutal, genocidal occupation by the U.S. from the end of the Spanish American war up to World War II. After World War II the U.S. backs the massively corrupt rule of the Marcos regime. I'll post this same link I post everytime an American says how good they've been to the world:

      http://www.isp.nwu.edu/~fprefect/politics/timeli ne .html

      Some parts of it are overdone and a stretch but it has all the names and dates for all the misery the U.S. has inflicted on the world in the last century which you can corroborate easily if you choose to not believe this source.

      In 1953 Iranian Nationalists gained power at a time when the British were looting 88% of Iran's oil revenues. The Iranians demanded a more equitable deal and offered the British 25%. Blockeds and boycotts ensued. The British ran crying to the U.S. and Truman. Truman ignored them. When Eisenhower took power it happened the Dulles brothers, head of the CIA and Secretary of State were lawyers form Anglo-American oil. The Dulles brothers used the CIA to topple the Iranian government and installed the Shah of Iran, who was every bit as despotic as Saddam was as far as the secret police, torture and disappearing people went. Rather than giving the British their oil contracts back they were given to, you guessed it, American oil companies. The reason the U.S. Embassy in Tehran was seized was revenge for all the misery the U.S. inflicted on Iran under the Shah.

      This also points out that the U.S. has in fact been using its military and intelligence power to win control of oil fields for American companies since World War II at least. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because the U.S. was embargoing Japan's access to U.S. controlled oil fields in Indonesia.

      To date control of oil fields has been primarily for the economic benefit of the seven sisters(the big oil companies formed from the break up of Standard Oil though there are a lot less than seven now thanks to mergers). They have immense influence in U.S. politics, especially on the Republican's. George H.W. Bush's main career before politics was at Zapata Oil which built off shore oil rigs and ships to do contract drilling for the big oil companies and many foreign governments. Its widely suspected Zapata was also a CIA front, since there ships tended to be parked just offshore of every hotspot in the world. Zapata is also a key factor in the closeness of the Bush family to the royal families in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Halliburton's oil operations closely resemble those of Zapata.

      In the future as oil reserves start to run out strategic control of the oil fields will determine the economic winners and losers of this century at least until somebody comes to their senses and starts investing billions in developing alternative energy sources instead of fighting over the current fossil fuel sources.

      China's oil consumption in particular is exploding at double digit annual percentage growth and its a contibutor to the current tight oil market. The Neocons are in fact looking ahead to when the day there isn't enough oil to meet demand. When that day comes they will look pretty smart when they have the U.S. military sitting in the middle of all the old oil fields in the Middle East and all the new ones in Central Asia. When that day comes some people will get the oil their economies need and some nations will go dark.

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    2. Re:Then maybe I'm stupid too by demachina · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Let's see, the U.S. freed the Phillipines from a Spanish tyranny and rather than subsuming the islands, the U.S. eventually set them off on their own."

      The U.S. did subsume the Phillipines for about 90 years. It wasn't until 1986 when Marcos was toppled and 1992 when the U.S. removed its huge military bases that it achieved something resembling real sovereignty.

      Apparently you've never read the history of the initial American occupation of the Phillipines. The U.S.replaced Spanish tyranny with American tyranny.

      U.S. Brig. Gen. Jacob H. Smith: "I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn, the more you kill and burn the better you will please me. I want all persons killed who are capable of bearing arms in actual hostilities against the United States."
      Major Littleton W. T. Waller: How young?
      Smith: Ten years and up.
      --Exchange on October 1901, quote from the testimony at Smith's court martial by the New York Evening Journal (May 5, 1902). General Smith, a veteran of the Wounded Knee massacre, was popularly known as "Hell Roaring Jake" or "Howling Wilderness".

      The civilian causalties as the U.S. fought the Phillipine insurgency was most probably in the hundreds of thousands.

      "Most of the mideast prior to the actions of western oil companies were vaste wastelands traversed by ignorant nomads. The western oil companies discovered the oil, gave it value, and it then was stolen by the disgusting murderers that call themselves governments in the mideast."

      Are you American, British or Israeli. Thank you for once again proving what an arrogant, imperialistic, bunch Westerners are. Some of the "murders that call themselves governments" are close friends of the Bush family and the best of allies of the U.S., the Saudi royal family, the Emir of Kuwait, etc. Either your respect the sovereignty of nations or you don't. If you think a western company can enter a country and take all its resources with little or no compensation to the country which owns the resources you are a blatant imperialist.

      Mossadegh. The head of Iran the U.S. overthrew was Time "Man of the Year", fairly progressive, anti-communist and Truman wouldn't even consider overthrowing him, the Dulles brothers on the other hand could care less when there was a chance to seize control of Iran's oil for U.S. oil companies.

      Not sure how well you are versed in history but Iraq sits on top of the cradle of civilization. There were great civilizations there when your Western ancestors were living in caves or sod huts and running around in animal skins.

      The number system you use today, though possibly Indian in origin, was introduced to the West by Arabs. They have had rich civilizations, great empires, and some of the world's best scholars. There have been periods when Arab culture was far more advanced than Europe's.

      Many of the misfortune's of the Arab world can be traced to military interventions from the West, including the Romans, the Crusades, British imperialism and now U.S. imperialism.

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    3. Re:Then maybe I'm stupid too by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The US is the "big boy" on the block, and an easy target for derision... but on the whole I'd consider the US a force for good in the world... our track record in confronting various evils, and settling/winning various wars and conflicts speaks for itself.

      When G W Bush was a candidate, his way of speaking used to set my teet on edge: kind of a rote, up and down sing-sing reading of the teleprompter. He doesn't do that since 9/11: he speaks with the true conviction of a man who is convinced he has a personal mission.

      I liked the old way better. The new Bush is frightening.

      I would love it if the US were a force for good in the world. But I dont' believe that as a nation we know enough about the rest of the world to decide what is good for them. Freedom; yes. Democracy: yes. I strongly beleive these are good for any people of any culture. However, we don't really understand people in a place like Iraq to effectively promote these ideas. We don't even have national memory of the way these ideas were used in the past as self righteous fig leaf for ruthless exercises in the application of power. Rhetoric that is inspiring to us only reminds them of bitter disappointments in the West going back to Sykes-Picot. The more stirring a project sounds to us, the more it will incite fear and revulsion on the people we plan to impose it upon.

      So, I'm very disturbed by any kind of messianic program to drag the unenlightened into accepting our values. What is even worse than telling seductive lies is being seduced by them yourself. In the first case you discredit yourself. In the latter case you discredit yourself and your ideals.

      I'd much prefer a policy which frankly pursued our national interests, but tried to do it in a modestly ethical way.

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    4. Re:Then maybe I'm stupid too by swb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wasn't advocating an Iron Fisted policy as an ongoing, continuing policy, but something we should have done in the immediate aftermath to both establish our authority and preserve order. It's too late now and would only spiral the conflict way out of control.

      The tactics and strategy of occupation are somewhat independant of the reasons or validity for going to war in the first place, as well. I agree that the rationale for going to war was paper thin at best, but whether you or I want it to happen, it's happened, and we have to figure out how to make sure there's something resembling a functional state that's capable of interacting with the rest of the world.

      I personally don't think it's going to happen I DO think that the Iraqis themselves will do all the icky things that we can't or won't do to make life livable there.

    5. Re:Then maybe I'm stupid too by Jodka · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ..quote from the testimony at Smith's court martial

      Cruel individuals exist within all societes. The merit of a civilization lies in how it how it treats those who act with cruetly. In the United States prosectute them, which speaks well for us.

      " Either your respect the sovereignty of nations or you don't"

      The above statement is an example of a false dichotomy.

      In fact, there are any number of posible policies for respect of sovereignty. For example, a nation could choose to respect the sovereignty of democracies but not of genocidal dictatorships.

      Not sure how well you are versed in history but Iraq sits on top of the cradle of civilization. There were great civilizations there when your Western ancestors were living in caves or sod huts and running around in animal skins.

      An interesting point for it would seem to indicate that there exists no first-mover advantage with respect to the advance of civilzations. Without doubt the kingdoms of ancient Sumeria, Egypt and China far surpased their Europen contemporaires with respect to all social and intellectual endeavor. Yet despite this fantastic head start, once dominant civilizations have now fallen far behind. They are now characterized by illiteracy, poverty, religious fanatism and government oppression. Western societies are characterized by high rates of literacy, greater wealth, more even distibution of wealth, rule of law, and rapid technological advance, a high degree of social mobility and individual social and economic freedom. As a result Arabs have become jealous and emittered, despiratley recounting ancient greatness to preserve a lingering pride in their failed civilizations.

      Many of the misfortune's of the Arab world can be traced to military interventions from the West, including the Romans, the Crusades, British imperialism and now U.S. imperialism.
      Ancient Romans occupied England, France, Spain and the middle east. Following the collapse of Roman Empire Arab civilization countinued its asent and Europe entered a thousand-year period of stagnation and decline known as the dark ages. From those facts you nonsensically conclude that Romans are partly accountable for Arab misfortune and the relative ascenadancy of the west. Europeans were ultimately defeated in the crusades by Arabs. For whom was that a setback ? From the time of the crusades until the first modern occuptation of Arab lands by western nations, the French occupation of Egypt by Napolean, Europe had undergone a renassaince in art, music, science and commerce and the middle east had indepently declined into backwardsness and poverty. The Rosetta stone was discoved among Arabs by Euroepeans because scholorship in Egypt had declined so low as to not recognize its worth. Arab nations are not poor and illiterate because they were occupied by Britain, rather, Arab tribes were so easily overthrown and occupied by Britain because they were poor and illiterate and thus could not contend, militarily, against the comparative sophisitaction of an industrialized nation. Blaming the long-term decline of Arab civilization on western nations has no basis in historical fact.
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    6. Re:Then maybe I'm stupid too by demachina · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "They are now characterized by illiteracy, poverty, religious fanatism and government oppression. Western societies are characterized by high rates of literacy, greater wealth, more even distibution of wealth, rule of law, and rapid technological advance, a high degree of social mobility and individual social and economic freedom. As a result Arabs have become jealous and emittered, despiratley recounting ancient greatness to preserve a lingering pride in their failed civilizations."

      Are you suggesting the U.S. is entering its decline?

      I hate to break it to you but "illiteracy, poverty, religious fanaticism and government oppression" could pretty easily be used to describe the trend in the U.S. today though it certainly hasn't reached epidemic proportions in all categories yet. I'm pretty nervous with the the extent to which fundamentalist Christianity has inserted itself into the Bush administration. Everyone has their right to religious preference but they should be leaving it at the home and in the church when they enter government. The Founding Father emphasized the separation of church and state because many of them were well aware of religious persecution in Europe at the time.

      As for you ramblings about first mover advantage I don't really see the point. All civilizations rise and fall. So will American and Western European civilization, fall that is. You seem pretty eager to condemn China to the dustbin of greatness but all indications are that today they are a juggernaut that will pass the U.S., E.U. and Japan in economic supremacy, at least, and in the not to distant future.

      "From those facts you nonsensically conclude that Romans are partly accountable for Arab misfortune and the relative ascenadancy of the west. Europeans were ultimately defeated in the crusades by Arabs."

      On this point I conceede and punt. Arab history is so complex and poorly understood by this Westerner I'll have to admit I have no clue how they reached the nadir they did in the early 20th century.

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  41. US governments solution for everything #156 by t_allardyce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its ok we can solve this by arresting the student and banning any software that does this. Just like we solved the Iraqi abuse problem by taking their cameras away, and how we solved the Berg murder by making sure no news outlet would publish or link to the video, and how we solved the terrorists hi-jacking planes and crashing them problem with iris and finger scanning, (so now they can still get on the plane, but when they've crashed it we will know who did it and not to let them on next time). Or maybe its more like how the CD copy-protection system being defeated by the shift-key problem was defeated by threatening the student under the DMCA! or could it be how the drug problem was totally solved by throwing half the population in jail? [insert something about DRM solving everything and letting governments send sensitive documents in full without having to worry about someone reading the bad words] great, so i guess we can bomb for peace and fuck for virginity after all :)

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  42. Re:Sources and Methods by k98sven · · Score: 2

    What I'm talking about here is information which is already public.
    The info in the case-in-point, for example:
    The Egyptian government cooperates with American intelligence agencies in monitoring and combating militant islamists.
    This is a well-estabished fact. There are both former officials and former islamists who have publicly testified to that. Everybody knows.

    But what is the point here? It's not to keep that info away from terrorists for sure, they know already.

  43. Completely Unimpressive by bbagnall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The title of this article sounds impressive, but the results are wishy-washy. It can only narrow down one missing word to maybe half a dozen possibilities. Who is to say the word is not North Korea instead of South Korea? And since most blackouts are several words long, it is not useful at all.

  44. Irish != IRA by Pfhor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Also, considering the political state of Northern Ireland (which is part of Great Britain, etc.) last year, most of these terrorist groups have just become glorified drug gangs, since a major way they go their money was through the drug cartel, now with a cease fire, there is more infighting and killing between the protestant militant groups over drug issues, than between the catholic and protestant groups.

    1. Re:Irish != IRA by mcpheat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Northern Ireland is part of "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". It isn't part of Great Britain which is the large island to its east comprising Scotland, England & Wales.

  45. Silly question... by NeuroManson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are those documents redacted in the final photocopy, or are they redacted by hand (very expensive, but they're spending our money, after all)?

    There are two simple solutions that go beyond and below high technology.

    Unless they crank down the brightness as far as possible, most photocopiers put down a varying amount of toner to paper. A cloth soaked in, say, spirit solvents, when wiped across the page, will expose part, if not all, of the text. Similarly, this can be done with most magic marker inks.

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  46. Reasons for Iraq invasion and who is behind it? by kbahey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One can enumerate the reasons for Iraq's invasion as follows:

    • Establishing a precedence for preepmtive war. Now America has bybassed the UN, and global opposition to this unilateral action. If the will to build an empire arises, then it will be done without any regard to what the rest of the world think or say. You can read the following articles too:

    • Securing cheap oil. That is obvious. Bush's family history in oil makes that an easy one to figure.

    • Complete Dad's job. The personal desire of G.W. Bush to continue where his father has left, to finish the job, and do better.

    • The Israel Factor. Read the Israel connection, and how Zionism influences US foreign policy. If you take a look at the players in the PNAC above, and you will find them all staunch Zionists, whether Jews or Christians.

    • Construction Contracts. The Infrastructure contracts for US corporations to rebuild Iraq is a lucrative business. Of course the Halliburton link has been reported several times (Cheney used to be its manager or director). The defence spending, plus the contracts should fuel the US economy for a while, or that is what they thought would happen.

    The planning to invade Iraq was done before September 11, 2001 attacks, as ex-secretary Paul O'Neill has revealed

    As many would notice, Bush is not running the show. Bush is the ideal front for such an operation. He thinks he is doing the right thing, and that God has to do something with it. You can see this PBS program The Jesus Factor.

    There are two factions grappling for Bush's attention. The moderate pragmatics (Powell, Armitage), and the extremist ideologue (Cheney, his subordinates, Rumsfeld, his subordinates). Powell's position is almost identical to Shimon Peres when he was the Foreign Minister in the Sharon government, a rational pragmatic dove amid the ideologue extremist hawks.

    What is funny and sad at the same time, is that the US Foreign policy is now crafted by the Pentagon and the Vice President in accordance with neocon think tanks like the PNAC. No role whatsover is given to the Department of State (where it should really belong), and Powell is merely a messenger (go tell the UN we are doing so and so, try to sell it diplomatically, ...etc.). No wonder Powell has said that he will not seek a second term even if Bush gets reelected (and repeated it a few weeks ago). Not nice thing being in his shoes I guess.

    I would not go as far as to say that they intentionally planned and executed the September 11 thing. But the neocons sure did exp

    1. Re:Reasons for Iraq invasion and who is behind it? by kbahey · · Score: 3

      There we go: AC labeling legitimate criticism as anti semitism to silence dissent and end the debate!

      No one said anything about Jews here. The criticism is for "unconditional support Israel at any cost", "Israel can do no wrong" mentality, and the pro-Zionist neocons engineering it all.

      I guess Godwin's Law has to be amended with an "Anti Semite" corollary.

  47. Re:Well? by Kwil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fairly easy.

    Guys at CIA were having some fun around Christmas time. When it came time to release the documents, they decided they'd rather not look like they were assing around on government time, so redacted it.

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    That Jesus Christ guy is getting some terrible lag... it took him 3 days to respawn! -NJ CoolBreeze

  48. Example from Chile by stanwirth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    During the reign of Pinochet, writer Ariel Dorfman used to convey the extent of the official censorship of his articles by incorporating the censored sections as blacked-out text and photos, with the understanding that people could fill in the blanks for themselves based on the surrounding text, knowing where the blanks were.

    What's left out is as significant as what is included.

  49. Indeed.... by PollGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... especially the famous 19-minute expletive.

    Good thing Ned Flanders wasn't around.

  50. 3/4ths didn't vote for Bush by zogger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    in the US, 50% don't even vote, and in the popular vote it was an almost even split, so only 25% of eligible adult voters elected bush.

    Of course, we have an electoral college, they actually decide. It varies state to state how they do that though.

    I support "no professional politicians". Single terms for every elected office. No more than 10 years total government service or involvement, and no pensions whatsoever. Medical and survivors bereavement benefits for veterans, or people in current employ only. Limit campaign contributions to 100$, from individuals only, no soft money from corporations, no lobbying gifts, trips, speakers fees, etc. Let's call bribes "bribes" and finalize outlawing them. It's not a free speech issue.

    And stuff like that there, along those lines.

    Basically, turn government back to being a peoples government, and not a separate class of connected washington insiders.

    How to get people to vote? Easiest way,not my idea, but, I heard this before and it's really cool, make income tax deadline day be the day before the main elections, instead of april 15th. You'll get much higher voter participation, no doubt about it.. We could also declare voting day a national holiday, so no one has to choose between going to work or voting, and make it a full 24 hour vote period. It SHOULD be patriotic to vote, and it SHOULD make a difference. Maybe if we even had runoffs instead of just any number majority wins, call it you need 2/3rds to win, like a supermajority in congress, it would help, and having a ranking system on the candidates, with a zero being a legitmate number. There's lots of possibilities.

    People are still "afraid" to vote third parties or independents, they got brainwashed into that "lookout! you'll 'waste' your vote" meme, and you hear party activists from both the democrats and the republicans saying that. Don't "waste" your vote. Phooie. They just want to keep a lock on the process, like it's written someplace that we can only have democrats or republicans, forever and ever, like it's the law or something. To me, a vote not cast is the only wasted vote. I've been voting for decades, hardly ever got my guy in, so what, I voted who I wanted, not who I thought would win, and I won't vote against someone either.

    Besides that, don't know. Whenever I hear people in meatspace bitching about somethin in politics/government, I question them, it's tricky but effective.. usually they get embarrased quickly, they can't hardly name any persons in politics, don't really know what's going on, but sure can rattle off their "teams" roster and the latest scores, or how their favorite band is doing, craplike that. I then nail them on some current events or names, get blank stares, and I go "How do you come to your opinion if you aren't aware of the issues or names?" Along those lines. Basically, I shame them, politely, show them they really don't know what's going on, then point them in a few directions in case they decide they SHOULD find out more and get active. Probably not effective, but dang if I'm going to stand there and nod my head "yes" to blather from people who really have nothing more than the most meager 15 second sound bite awarness of what's going on, then they think I should value their opinions or something. I just can't do that anymore, lost my patience long ago with that.

    I can appreciate someone I really disagree with, AS LONG AS they have at least done some reading and research into a topic. Those people can learn from you, and you can learn from them, it's important to be honest and open to new data and be able to adjust your opinion, I certainly have over the years, I'm not static except from the POV of always trying to find out the real truth in a matter. I DETEST being lied to.. But the "don't bother me with any more facts, my mind is made up" crowd are nuts, better to just shine them folks on, it's a waste of calories dealing with them on anything more than the most trivial matters. doesn't mean they can't be nice people in all other aspects, but if it's anything important having to do with politics and directions and government, if their minds are locked, they are lost, they drank the kool aid, poisoned themselves. Just move on then.

  51. You can't algorithmically create information by alex_tibbles · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just 346 words remained on the list at this stage. The next stage is to involve the brain of the researcher. This eliminated all but seven words: Ugandan, Ukrainian, Egyptian, uninvited, incursive, indebted and unofficial. Naccache plumped for Egyptian, in this case.

    Hmmm. So of the 346 words listed in the dictionary, the researcher had to guess? To a knowledgable attacker (eg. an analyst at the CIA who specializes in Egyptian terrorists) this step might be trivial, but in that case, they probably knew the answer anyway. On what grounds did the researcher choose Egyptian? Most likely because of the phrase "Egyptian Islamic Jihad". That is pure guesswork. It could have been an important point that the operative talked to Syrian intelligence or got captured by Mossad. The researcher simply didn't know.
    The more general point is that algorithms cannot create information. Just like in image enhancement, if the data isn't there, in order to put it there you need other information to go on, and that is a non-algorithmic process (inference based on data), precisely because it is not guaranteed to be right.