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Bluetooth Gets Faster & Requires Less Power

An anonymous reader writes "The Bluetooth Special Interest Group (BSIG) has announced a new specification named "Enhanced Data Rate" or EDR for short. EDR aims to provide faster data transmission and reduce the power consumption from traditional Bluetooth technology. The data speeds will be roughly three times faster which means you could easily use multiple Bluetooth devices simultaneously. The reduced power consumption also means longer battery life and less heat generated. The new EDR standard will be backward compatible with the current standard Bluetooth devices. This makes upgrading to the new standard effortless."

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  1. Neat... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... but I'm having to fight a little too hard to find neat things to do with Bluetooth. I made my laptop connecton the net once with my cell phone... but.. uh yeah.

    1. Re:Neat... by DarkHazard · · Score: 5, Informative

      With Bluetooth I'm able to also connect to the internet on trips but I'm also now sending wallpapers, ringtones etc to my phone.
      Another favourite feature is the Address Book sync. Its such a paint to enter full Address Book entries on the phone so instead I enter on the comp. and sync it with my phone. Bluetooth ain't so bad :P

    2. Re:Neat... by swordboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's lots of cool things to do with Bluetooth but nobody'll implement it because they're all dumb.

      1) Cell phone "submissiveness" - an establishment (like a movie theater or a school) installs a device that causes your BT-enabled phone to shutthehellup. When this happens, the phone beeps once to notify the user of the situation. The user can opt out if he/she wishes.

      2) Tire pressures - to go along with our RFID license plates, our tires could tell our cell phones (or the dashboard) if they are low on pressure.

      3) Coupons - a person's cell phone (once again) could be configured to receive (or not) coupons at the grocery store upon entering.

      4) Wireless peripherals - the biggest usability problem with PCs these days is the rats nest behind (or on top of, in front of) the damn things. Holy shit... Some of you know what I'm talking about. This is crazy.

      Sure - it was all a nice thought and some of it even made it (I have a wireless keyboard that could have used the BT standard but didn't for WHO KNOWS what reason) but now we've got wireless-serial-attached-SCSI and every other damn wireless specification coming. Great!

      What the industry needs is an independent board to regulate this stuff. Intel doesn't like Firewire so they codevelop USB. Great! If we had a board that could pick a standard, we wouldn't be stuck with this cruft. Don't get me wrong - I'm all about having freedom but it would be nice if the industry said, "we like this standard - go ahead and develop that other crap but we will only endorse this".

      Sure - Intel does have clout but you still have to buy a separate USB cable for that iPod (usually a second trip to the store, too).

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    3. Re:Neat... by System.out.println() · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What the industry needs is an independent board to regulate this stuff. Intel doesn't like Firewire so they codevelop USB.

      First of all, we have such a body - it's called the IEEE. And I'm sure a number of other bodies I've never heard of as well.

      As for Intel developing USB because it didn't like FW... I don't think that's accurate. Firewire and USB are good at different things (FW is better at sending video, for example, but would be less than ideal for a mouse or keyboard due to cost) and can+should happily coexist on your computer.

      I'm all about having freedom but it would be nice if the industry said, "we like this standard - go ahead and develop that other crap but we will only endorse this".


      I don't think you realize that's exactly what's happening. Bluetooth and Wifi have been accepted, and while the others may come, they'll likely be considered "extras". (Wifi and bluetooth, like USB and Firewire, are good at different things - power vs. range and bandwidth, in this case)

    4. Re:Neat... by abscondment · · Score: 3, Funny

      see, what you need is one of these:

      linked image

      I hear they fly, too.

    5. Re:Neat... by nathanh · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ... but I'm having to fight a little too hard to find neat things to do with Bluetooth. I made my laptop connecton the net once with my cell phone... but.. uh yeah.

      Some newer cars (eg, BMW 5) have bluetooth integration so your phone works directly without needing a car-kit or cradle. Kind of neat.

    6. Re:Neat... by System.out.println() · · Score: 2, Insightful

      USB gives combination decent speed + backward compatibility. A lot of PC's still don't have Firewire ports, unfortunately.

      Hey what happens if you attach a device compatible with both Firewire and USB2 to both ports on your PC?

      Depends on the drive, it'll either (1) ignore the second plug, or (2), mount twice, I'm guessing.

  2. Finally... by DarkHazard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A faster Bluetooth. With my Sony Ericsson T616 speeds are laughable and slow and maybe now Bluetooth will finally be able to maximize its potential and actually start to compete with other wireless specs.

    And the power consumption. A gift from the heavens. Bluetooth lowers my cellphones standby to about a 8 hours with no calls.

  3. Excellent... by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... now I can move my bed even farther away from my desk and still be able to use my wireless keyboard. Rock.

    1. Re:Excellent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh my!
      Geek.. Bed.. Keyboard... Hummmmmm....

  4. Well... by Inf0phreak · · Score: 5, Funny

    You could pick up toothing.

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    1. Re:Well... by SLiK812 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Toothing on 'multiple devices'. Iguess that would be called 'Group Toothing', or cyber-swinging for geeks.

    2. Re:Well... by klasikahl · · Score: 2, Informative

      After reading that article when it was published, I tried searching for BT devices within range while in a populated area and found nothing. I was disappointed, logically. :P

  5. Yes, but will this be enough? by Brain+Stew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With all the new wireless technologies coming out, (wireless USB, wireless IEEE 1394, etc.) will this be enough to save the failing bluetooth. I use a Microsoft BlueTooth keyboard and mouse and while it is the best keyboard and mouse combo I've ever used, the lack of market saturation cost me $160.

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    1. Re:Yes, but will this be enough? by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bluetooth is dead. Long live bluetooth.

      As you said yourself the stuff rocks when it gets into actual products. I love my bluetooth headset and can't wait to get the just-anounced folding bluetooth keyboard that will work with my phone. So if everyone likes the actual bluetooth stuff and they keep producing and selling more of it, why is everyone busy using words like 'failing' to describe it?

      TW

    2. Re:Yes, but will this be enough? by brettper · · Score: 2, Funny

      So if everyone likes the actual bluetooth stuff and they keep producing and selling more of it, why is everyone busy using words like 'failing' to describe it?

      Because it didn't take over the world a week after it was announced. People are just impatient.

    3. Re:Yes, but will this be enough? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't understand it much either.

      Some people seem to act as if "everybody" has to have or have heard of something in order to consider that something successful. Even if 95% of any particular population have no use for something, the remaining 5% might find an indispensible use for which it can find a strong niche.

      Take Apple for example. We've gotten monthly predictions of their demise but somehow they still manage to mske a product that some people want and have a fair amount of liquid assets to boot.

  6. Dig-dan-Dongiliy-arn it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh man, I thought I was so slick getting BlueTooth built into my PowerBook... Now I need a dongle :-(

  7. Good News... by Piranhaa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good news for bluetooth for sure. The backwards compatibility is a really nice touch too. Bluetooth was lacking any upgrades for some time really, but reducing power consumption, while making it much faster was a really good change. One of the problems people faced with bluetooth was the data transfer speeds (excluding the range of it compared with wifi). This could allow bluetooth to become much more popular than it has been in the past...

  8. Great News, but how good? by powera · · Score: 5, Interesting

    By compressing more data per packet, do they just mean they are using a better compression algorithm, or larger packets? The first should only help a little and for some uses, the second could theoretically make a lot more of a difference. But the less-power usage will be good anyhow.

    1. Re:Great News, but how good? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If they fiddle with the base protocols then there will be interoperability issues. They will want to maintain compatability with previous BT devices. This might mean that when you have a piconet with an old BT device, some of the high speed features might be unsupported (analagous to how my USB2 hub downgrades everything to USB1.1 as soon as you plug in a USB1.1 device).

      Of course they're still using 2.4 GHz which is the wild west of the radio spectrum. Still going to have issues headbutting Wifi etc.

      And no, of course I didn't RTFM, that would be cheating.

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  9. Bluetooth Growth Predicted to Increase - A Lot by 4of12 · · Score: 3, Funny

    but I'm having to fight a little too hard to find neat things to do with Bluetooth.

    Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the latest anonymous sex trend with Bluetooth nicknamed "toothing".

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  10. Requires new hardware? by Karpe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or can I just upgrade my Bluetooth dongle firmware?

  11. The remote control iPod??? by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Could this be the in the next-gen iPod, allowing you to control Airtunes....

    ???

    Only Steve knows for sure...

    1. Re:The remote control iPod??? by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Not having a mac I don't have any links to hand, but you can already get an app for Symbian phones (don't know if it's for series60 or UIQ or both) to do various bits of Mac remote control by bluetooth. I'd *conjecture* (given the leetness of applescript) one should be able to control airtunes (as it's just new stuff in iTunes) using that sort of arrangement."

      There's a program for OS X that allows your Bluetooth enabled mobile phone to operate various things like change tracks in iTunes. Leo showed it on "Call for Help" about a month before the show was cancelled to make way for the merger between Comcast's G4 channel and TechTV. I doubt show notes that much in the past on the new g4techtv.com website yet, but you can probably find it on Leo's own site. I think its leoville.com or something.

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    2. Re:The remote control iPod??? by gabebear · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep, people have been controlling iTunes(along with every other app) with their bluetooth phones/PDAs. It's one of the "Big" applications for bluetooth.

  12. more bluetooth devices by Da_Slayer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now that bluetooth is considered a more mature specification since they managed to make a specification update without having to break backward compatability.

    Maybe it is time for more bluetooth enabled printers and external devices. I wouldn't mind keeping the printer in the other room.

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  13. Nintendo by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It should be well known by now that Nintendo is putting 802.11 and Bluetooth on the Nintendo DS. I am quite curious if this will make it there, as the DS would benefit from this GREATLY. Nintendo is downright vicious when it comes to defending battery life of their handhelds, so it's entirely possible.

    We can always hope, right?

  14. Now what we need... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What we need is a truly wireless desktop. Bluetooth is nice, but there are still power cords everywhere, or lots of batteries to replace or recharge. I'd like to have a single DC power standard, and a transfer mechanism for getting that power to my peripherals. Some sort of pad that you sit things down on (your cell phone, mouse, keyboard, PDA, whatever) so they get charged when you aren't using them. Now that'd be something I'd pay for.

    1. Re:Now what we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine a hub for connecting power to devices....

      That standard is power bar thar runs 120V AC (or 220 or 240 depending on where you are).

      What this obsession about cordless and wireless for desktop ? I cannot understand the urge of adding cost, latency, batteries and junk to a desktop.

    2. Re:Now what we need... by way2trivial · · Score: 3, Informative

      something like this?

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  15. Re:Suspecious by chrisbro · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can't compare the two. Bluetooth uses a much lower power consumption and is meant for very low-range transfers (1 milliwatt and 30 ft, respectively) where Wi-Fi uses 100 milliwatts and goes up to 300 feet.

    They're used for different things; local/personal -area transfers vs. high-speed internet connections.

  16. What about Ultra-Wideband? by amjacobs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The IEEE standard for Bluetooth is 802.15.3. The 802.15.3a standard is a revision for the standard using UWB signaling. It promises data rates of > 100Mbps plus lower power.

    1. Re:What about Ultra-Wideband? by dave420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In a much, much larger form factor, and for a greatly increased price. You've missed why bluetooth is so good at what it does - it costs cents to include on a device, and takes up hardly any room. WIFI, WUSB, WFirewire and every other sort of wireless technology don't offer those features, which is why bluetooth is a great success, even if most of the US doesn't think so.

  17. Too young to fail by ChozCunningham · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's better to think of Bluetooth to date as fetal, not immature. This new spec might be it's birth, finally.

    I was explaining a file format to a friend recently. He said, "is that like bluetooth or something?" I was a bit stumped. After I explained what bluetooth was, he said, "why the hell would I want that? Can't the wifi I've got do all that?" And so on for about 5 minutes...

    Of course, it's not his fault, as much as the dubious packaging of blutooth-enabled products vendors...

  18. i-tought-bluetooth-was-already-dead dept. by mphase · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh you tought that did you? Maybe you should tink again.

  19. Bluetooth on 24/7 by artlu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe now I can leave bluetooth active on my cellphone 24/7 and not wake up with a dead battery. Although, people can hack into phones now with bluetooth and steal/change your address book. Scary.

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  20. Speed wasn't my concern by DrShasta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my opinion, Bluetooth has been much more plagued by lack of adoption than speed and power consumption. USB was immensily popular before it became fast. It's popularity is what spurred it to become faster. I would love to get a bluetooth phone or PDA, or wireless keyboard or wireless mouse to connect with the internal bluetooth in my powerbook, but options are limited, which is driving costs way up. We need more options, and we need costs to be driven down. Thats not going to happen until more manufacturers adopt it.

  21. Phone companies don't like bluetooth by DrShasta · · Score: 5, Informative

    A friend of mine mentioned to me the other day that some phone companies (like sprint) are being very cautious about offering bluetooth support in their phones because bluetooth makes it so easy to share the internet connection on the phones. A lot of the phone companies (like sprint) are offering unlimited internet plans, and bluetooth phones would lead to a lot of abuse with people using the connections for their laptops instead of their cellphones. Anyway, it is one of the reasons that bluetooth adoption isn't taking off as fast as it should.

  22. More saturated than any other short-range wireless by thefinite · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I, for one, have yet to see *any* commercially available product with wireless USB. I first read about it quite a while ago. Wireless FireWire was just barely approved. While people are optimistic about it, I imagine Bluetooth with still enjoy lower power requirements.

    I guess my point is that there is nothing else available right now that does what Bluetooth does. Market adoption is *increasing*, if slowly. Bluetooth is far from failing. The truth is that right now, it's the only game in town. More personally, I love it and use it every day. My heart wouldn't be broken if something better replaced it, but in the meantime, improvements like lower power and faster data transfer are welcome.

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  23. Re:Suspecious by Morgahastu · · Score: 3, Informative

    How is this modded insightful? It should be rated ignorant or uninformed if there was one.

    You wouldn't "see" any bluetooth devices on your computer because it's not meant to broadcast to everyone far away. You want everyone walking by with a laptop or bluetooth pda to pickup and connect to your cell phone or laptop?

    Bluetooth is not supposed to compete with Wifi and won't. WiFi is for IP networks, Bluetooth is just a wireless connection for peripherals.

    It would be like comparing Wireless USB to Wi-Fi, they have different uses. Just because they are both wireless doesn't mean they should compete. It's like saying my remote control for my tv is slower than my wireless network so it's going to die off soon.

  24. Pricing? by Erwos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The issue with regards to me adopting bluetooth has been more about the absurd pricing of said peripherals. The Linksys Bluetooth desktop (and not the fancy-shmancy Nuvo or whatever the hell it's called) runs like a hundred bucks, whereas the plain old wireless one runs for closer to $50. That's not an insubstantial difference.

    After a brief glance at Amazon, it also looks like you can't get BT phones unless they're for AT&T or T-Mobile. Considering that GSM coverage here in the USA seems to be kinda spotty compared to, say, TDMA, that's a serious drawback.

    The problem with BT right now is that it's an integration technology, yet it's difficult to use an integration technology that doesn't have wide-spread usage.

    -Erwos

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  25. Article Text by ANTRat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bluetooth group preps 2.1Mbps spec By Tony Smith Published Thursday 10th June 2004 10:38 GMT Bluetooth communications are set to get rather faster with a new version of the specification that takes its data throughput 2.1Mbps in the offing. The new version, Bluetooth Enhanced Data Rate (EDR), is offered as a "prototype specification" by the Bluetooth Special Interest Group (SIG). The technology increases data transmission by compressing more data into each packet rather than by increasing the rate at which packets are sent. Today's devices support speeds of up to 712Kbps. Bluetooth EDR will use existing Bluetooth 1.2 technology for connecting devices and sending data, so older devices will still be able to communicate with machines supporting EDR. The SIG says EDR will consume less power than the current version - it reckons EDR devices will eke out battery power for twice as long as Bluetooth units do today. And the new specification also provides improved facilities to use several functions or devices simultaneously, due to more available bandwidth. The Bluetooth SIG expects the EDR specification to be finalised this coming Autumn. Products based on the specification are set to ship some time in 2005. The SIG needs to come up with improved versions of the spec if it's to prevent Bluetooth becoming overshadowed by UWB-based technologies such as the 480Mbps Wireless USB. WUSB's first spec isn't due until the end of the year, and even if it's implemented quickly, Bluetooth has a considerable lead in terms of the number of devices that support it.

  26. 802.11 v Bluetooth by curator_thew · · Score: 4, Informative


    There's so much "crap" out there about "bluetooth is dead, long live 802.11", or "everything will be 802.11" or "elvis works at my local 711".

    They are complimentary, remember that Bluetooth was designed _specifically_ as (a) single chip solution, (b) low power, low cost, low size, (c) a short range point to point data replacement.

    Until I see true single-chip 802.11 devices that meet these criteria, there's still a space for Bluetooth.

    After all, you don't buy "dishwasher power" for your "washing machine".

    1. Re:802.11 v Bluetooth by CRC'99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They are complimentary,

      Complimentary my backside! ever tried to use 802.11b /g and bluetooth together? See how complimentary they are... Having to use bluetooth *OR* wifi isn't very complimentary...

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  27. Hearing Impaired by Yonder+Way · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So when am I going to be able to get a Bluetooth-enabled hearing aid so I can interface with my PC, my cell phone and other devices? Hearing aids seem like one of the killer apps for Bluetooth yet they don't seem to exist yet.

  28. DS will not use Bluetooth by dangermouse · · Score: 2, Informative
    It should be well known by now that Nintendo is putting 802.11 and Bluetooth on the Nintendo DS.

    It really shouldn't be that well known, because it's not true.

    DS users will be able to connect with a local wireless network of up to 16 players. Nintendo's guaranteed range is 30 feet, but will extend far beyond that depending on circumstances. It assures high response rates required for real time game play, and will make use of both IEEE 802.11 and Nintendo's proprietary communication protocol, which provides low battery consumption.

    Source: Nintendo. Emphasis: mine.

  29. How can this be? RobEnderle said Bluetooth is RIP! by compactable · · Score: 2, Funny
    ... are you implying that everyone's favourite seer is wrong?

    Dear lord, what's next? A bad review of his beloved Ferrari Laptiop? SCO may loose in court?

    My reality is crumbling ... dear god make this madness stop!