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The Latest And Greatest Console Applications?

An anonymous reader writes "While the 'Linux on the desktop' battle has yet to be won, KDE and Gnome are making great progress. There are too many apps to list on the cutting edge of software development for the X environment. But what about those of us stuck with old machines? Or who just want to work with the console? What console-based apps, that are undergoing just as much development as their X counterparts, do you use? Things like instant messengers and bittorrent clients, for example..."

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  1. One word . . . by micromoog · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:One word . . . by Draoi · · Score: 5, Funny
      Thank you for re-introducing me to NetHack. It took me five years to wean myself off that, and now I've found a MacOS X version. There goes *my* working day ... :-)

      As they say on the site;

      Thank you for the latest release of gradewrecker. My GPA just went in the corner and shot itself.
      -- USENET posting, author unknown
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      Alison

      "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." - Albert Einstein

    2. Re:One word . . . by Ricwot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Due to a combination of Beer, Coffee and NetHack, lectures were missed, assignments lost in the darkness, and I failed the year by 0.1 marks :'(

    3. Re:One word . . . by Wyzard · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try ToME. It's an Angband variant that features a world map with multiple dungeons, quests, a skill system, a huge set of available races and character classes (and variants thereof) and, best of all, a Lua interpreter so you can write new items, spells, and whole new variants.

      Nethack is fun, but it gets dull just going down and down and down. In ToME you can recall to town (Bree, say, or Lothlorien), sell treasure you've found, buy some new equipment with the money, and return to the dungeon to continue exploring.

      (No, I'm not one of the developers or anything. I just play it a lot.)

  2. mp3blaster. by Slayk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's a slick little console mp3 player with playlist support. It is quite nice to have when I do something to b0rk X.

    1. Re:mp3blaster. by keesh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      orpheus is also good, and has a less confusicating interface.

  3. fortune! by blunte · · Score: 4, Funny

    that was too easy. was this a trick question?

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    1. Re:fortune! by Ricwot · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a program that is viable for enterprise systems, we just rename it to fortune-500

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  4. BitchX by TypoNAM · · Score: 5, Informative

    When it comes to IRC gotta love BitchX. :)

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    1. Re:BitchX by Juanvaldes · · Score: 5, Informative

      irssi is where it's at ;)

    2. Re:BitchX by concatenation · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, definitely. Irssi has all I need: Easy handling for multiple ircnets and servers, SSL support, support for Perl plugins, and it's themable and easy to use.

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    3. Re:BitchX by mkro · · Score: 3, Interesting
      irssi is where it's at ;)
      Agreed :) And if you haven't tried it, I recommend the beautiful trackbar.pl for easier overview over your multiple queries. Harder for me to explain how it works than for you to try it, so please, give it a go :)
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  5. Screen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Man, how many times has screen saved my butt? Multiplies the usefulness of any console appplication by five.

    1. Re:Screen. by BinLadenMyHero · · Score: 5, Informative
      I use screen 24/7, it's awesome. But it's a utility, not an application.

      Vim to edit text

      Mutt for email

      elinks to browse the web

      MPlayer to play any media file (even videos in text mode)

      mICQ for ICQ (also centericq for a multi-protocol IM client)

      BitchX for IRC

      lftp for ftp

    2. Re:Screen. by flippet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Screen itself supports multiple regions, so you don't need anything else. I find this absolutely priceless; run a program in the top region of your terminal, while tail-ing logfiles in the others...

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  6. Bleeding Edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The version of ls that comes with Fedora Core 2 is 5.2.1. Incredible software! Would use again! A+++++!!!!

  7. Screen.... by deadmongrel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the most under used console app is Screen. http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/ I am not a sys admin but Screen is still pretty handy.

    1. Re:Screen.... by FullyIonized · · Score: 5, Interesting
      And one of the most underutilized features of screen is multi-user sessions. I have used this to do XP-style programming with a colleague who was working 900 miles away

      The way I did it:
      Start up screen with a temporary screenrc file that contains:
      multiuser on
      addacl other_username
      detach

      Note that I have the screen session detach. Type "screen -ls" to get the screen session name (for the other person), then type "screen -r" to reattach. The other person ssh'd into my machine and typed "screen -x session_name". It is possible to script all of this to make it easier.

      We then talked over the phone (headphones highly recommended) while we could simultaneously edit in a vi session. It was hilarious because we'd start yelling at each other "No,no, let ME type." Still, these sessions are always among my most productive programming sessions because we catch each others mistakes and program the parts of the program that we have expertise in.

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    2. Re:Screen.... by Q2Serpent · · Score: 5, Informative

      Kibitz does the same thing (it comes with expect), but it's tons easier to get a newbie into the session - when you type "kibitz ", they get a message in their console that says "type 'kibitz -number' to kibitz with ".

      Extremely useful for collaboration on the command line.

  8. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I asked this on the Gentoo forum a while ago and never got a straight answer, so I'll ask it again here: why? Why, except in a few rare cases, would you regularly use a command line IM client in favor of a graphical one? It seems terribly inconvenient.

    1. Re:Why? by ultrabot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why, except in a few rare cases, would you regularly use a command line IM client in favor of a graphical one? It seems terribly inconvenient.

      By command-line I assume you mean text-based (curses/whatever)...

      Text based interface can be much more usable, even if it os often less learnable. learnability != uasbility. There is certain amount of "control" in simple text interfaces that you don't have with GUI's which pop subwindows everywhere, have annoying MDI interfaces etc.

      Text interfaces also have a distinct technical advantage - they can be detached from the controlling terminal (see 'screen', 'dtach').

      Also check out this :-)

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    2. Re:Why? by mattrumpus · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've got one good reason. At some places of work IM clients are banned and its easier to pretend a text based client is real work...

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    3. Re:Why? by quantum+bit · · Score: 4, Informative

      I use naim a lot for one reason: I can run it inside screen, detach from one computer and re-attach on another without ever going offline (or missing messages while I'm walking somewhere else). If I'm moving around a lot, screen also lets me have multiple connections to the same session, so I can read & reply from wherever I happen to be at the moment.

      The other reason is that next to my main desktop at home, I have a nice little text-based LCD terminal (actually a partially disassembled 486 laptop) that I IM on -- saves screen real estate and I don't have to get offline when I'm doing stuff like kernel driver debugging that requires me to shut down X...

    4. Re:Why? by keesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because command-line clients can be screened. X apps can't.

    5. Re:Why? by Zardus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Combined with screen, Naim is really nice for idling on AIM (to avoid missing IMs from people who are only awake when you sleep and such), and for switching computers without having to disconnect. The same convenience can be achieved using screen with an IRC client for IRC (I use Irssi).

      Its much more convenient than GUI stuff when you switch computers a lot during the day. I can leave naim and irssi running in screen while I drive home from work and people can still IM me if they need to for those 30 minutes.

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    6. Re:Why? by haystor · · Score: 3, Funny

      One does not wonder if something exists for Emacs. One believes.

      That is to say, yes.

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    7. Re:Why? by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Anyone else think this isn't so much a strength with the command-line app but a weakness with X?

      I really would like to see that feature added to X. You can (sorta) do it with VNC or Remote Desktop in Windows (sorta means "entire desktop only, not a single app") - it would be really nice if you could take a GUI-based program running on some other computer and "forward" it to your own computer, without restarting the application.

      IMO, that's a weakness of X - something that X should do, and not a strength of the console. They both should do it. As I'm sure everyone knows, screen is incredibly useful. Something like it for X would be really nice, too.

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    8. Re:Why? by warkda+rrior · · Score: 3, Informative

      Look up xmove.

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      You need to install an RTFM interface.
  9. A small SQL analysis app... by tcopeland · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... that I wrote - PQA - runs only from the console. I could write a Ruby/Tk or a WxWidgits GUI for it... but why bother? As it is, I can feed in all the necessary parameters at the command line and not have to click around a GUI.

    At the same time, it's best to write the code in such a way that a GUI could be put on top of it... but for me, a console interface is good enough for now.

  10. Naim by primal39 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    naim is a great, free, GPL'd instant messaging client. Very featureful, intuitive, and in my opinion one of the best examples of ncurses programming out there.

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  11. screen by Deagol · · Score: 3, Informative
    For me, working over a modem line as a telecommuting Unix admin over ssh, I can say that screen is the killer app for me.

    gnut, a console nutella app which appears to be a dormant project these days, was pretty cool as far as real applications.

  12. Console never dies! by jayminer · · Score: 3, Informative

    web: links or lynx
    ftp: ncftp
    media: mplayer, mpg321

    And the mighty fdisk & cfdisk pair cure all wounds.

  13. Well ... by mios · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... some folks start X from the command line, soo ...

  14. Lynx by afriguru · · Score: 3, Informative

    I maintain a fedora-based server which of course is much better connected than my home machine. At times I browse remotely with lynx to get to sites that require registration before making downloads.

  15. Nmap by sharp-bang · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This continues to be my port scanner of choice; although it has a pretty front end, it really doesn't need one.

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  16. centericq by ultrabot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Centericq rocks. I use it for icq, and occasional peep at irc channels. No need to stress the mousehand, and it also has a very small footprint. It's apt-gettable, so there's no excuse to not try it :).

    One advantage of text based apps is the fact that no window management is required, so minimal keyboard driven window managers like ion and ratpoison can be used optimally.

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  17. Bittorrent clients by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Informative

    My old linux text-only boxes exist do do my bulk downloading for me.

    Bittorrent itself is the best client, the btdownloadcurses.py script. Building just the ncurses app without needing the bloat of X to link against was a bit annoying. Thankfully emerge can pull it off with "-qt -gtk -gnome" use flags.

    Another good client is called ctorrent, written in C, a console app. It segfaults when the d/l is > 2gigs (I think thats why), and sometimes doesnt redownload failed segments.. I had to drag some downloads to a windows box and finish them up with the real client. Shame about the bugs, it's a very light and fast app, I hope it's finished.

    An old P200/MMX, a big hard drive, and all my downloading is done via ssh, and my real computer is never bogged down with such tasks. wget, bittorrent, ncftp, etc..

    Also, it makes throttling it easy. At the gateway, I just throw all traffic from my "grunt boxes" IP's into a lower queue. Torrents no more grind my connection to a halt, it's much more effective than trying to mark packets for other reasons (size, etc).

    dircproxy is a cool lil app too, I can keep connected to IRC and bounce from machine to machine. It doesn't handle DCC's all that well, it always seems to clip them.

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  18. plugins for lynx... by rivaldufus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm working on a Java plugin, a Flash plugin, and a google bar - as well as a popup blocker and an anti-spyware plugin.

  19. Somme little utilities I can't live without... by Taurim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    cd, ls, cp, rm, mv, ln, head, tail, tee, grep, find, awk, sed, cat, more, vi, ps, kill

    Gnome is fine to watch pictures or lauch some useful apps like FireFox, Thunderbird and the like but my most useful graphical app is XTerm... lots of XTerm :-)

  20. playlists, sounds over complicated by DrSkwid · · Score: 4, Funny

    isn't that what stdin is for ?

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    1. Re:playlists, sounds over complicated by conway · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, even if you don't have stdin supported by the player, you can easily add playlist functionality to an mp3 playing program like mpg123 (which just plays a given file) with a simple shell script :
      while read FILE; do
      mpg123 $FILE
      done
      Thats why console apps are great - its extremely simple to add any functionality you want.
  21. wget by NeoFunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The world's premier pr0n-leeching tool.

    To be fair, I'm not sure how much development is happening with this tool. How can you improve perfection?

    1. Re:wget by sydb · · Score: 4, Informative

      I use wget all the time, even when I'm working with an X11 browser.

      If I'm ever downloading something, be it music from Magnatune, source code for some handy utility that Debian hasn't already got packaged, images from someone's website that look useful, I constantly find myself firing up an xterm, cding into the appropriate directory, creating any subdirectories (this is all so much faster on the command line than pissing about in GUI file selectors), typing "wget ", right click-copy on the link in the browser and paste into the xterm. Than back to browsing. No irritating download managers putting files where you don't want them and that sort if inane stuff.

      You can even emulate a "download manager" but just appending a whole list of stuff to download on the wget command line.

      What I hate is Sourceforge's prdownload stuff that has you getting through all that then doing a redirect to force a browser-based download. I wish they wouldn't do that.

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  22. centericq by vijaya_chandra · · Score: 3, Informative

    is quite good as well with support for icq000, yahoo, aim, irc, msn, gadu-gadu and jabber

    CenterICQ

    How do you take a screen shot of tty1 !?!

  23. Hey, JOE by robslimo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Pardon me, I'm a WordStar cripple from way back in the early '80s. Got my start coding asm in WordStar on a CP/M machine for a while, then cut my teeth on Turbo Pascal and Turbo C.

    The main draw of the WordStar keystrokes? Your hands never have to stray far from home row. It's incredibly sane.

    Joe's Own Editor (JOE) perpetuates the sanity in the 'nix world.

  24. giFTcurs by mkro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For P2P, the giFT frontend giFTcurs does the job well. Look, pretty screenshot. All-in-one package for OpenFT, FastTrack, Gnutella and OpenNap.

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  25. Because.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm a linux newbie really, but even I can answer this...

    1. I might not have a 256M+ of RAM on my system needed to make the current linux GUIs run well.

    2. I might have 256+MB, but since my linux box runs as a webserver, I might not want to bog it down with a GUI.

    3. I might just PREFER CLIs.

    4. And finally, I am a 1337 h4x0r and don't want to use anything that you n00bs might be able to understand.

    I'm being serious so if you were going to mod me funny, don't mod me at all!

  26. Re:One Word: by JWW · · Score: 3, Insightful

    vi

    I know, I know someone else got modded as flamebait, but its just not right to list emacs without vi.

  27. Some of the Apps I use... by enyalios · · Score: 4, Informative

    screen - to keep lots of applications running that i can access from anywhere.
    pork - a console aim client
    w3m - a sweet console web browser with optional image support
    bittorrent - the standard bittorrent client runs on the console
    mutt - powerful and configurable email client
    giftcurs - command line client for gift which can share files on the kazaa network
    mplayer - console/graphical media player that can play anything
    ncftp - an ftp client with tons of features

  28. Grep and wget by philipx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I always keep a shell window open and no matter how good the editor/IDE I work with, I could not live without grep. Especially as I can pipe output from one grep to the next and refine (-v) the results till I locate some specific result.

    And for all my downloading needs I use wget. Besides being way out useful for downloading movies (annoying pages that embed movies and controls that don't allow you to save those movies for later enjoyment), flash animations, PDFs, being able to see the dialog with the server (-S) helped me more than once to figure out what was I doing wrong with my web apps.

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  29. Here are my picks... by darketernal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In no particular order.

    1. irssi - really great, Perl-scriptable, user-friendly curses-based IRC client. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

    2. vim - The best editor on Earth, hands down.

    3. w3m - The best console web browser ever. Firstly, it has advanced capabilities for rendering tables. It doesn't do frames as well but those are really hard to do anyway.

    4. pork - An ircII themed AIM client. Great for when you're on the road and only have PuTTY...

    And, who can forget (although many may contend that this does not count...)

    5. apt and dpkg! Dependency-resolving, self-upgrading, cow-mooing, ass-kicking package management system tag team! This is why I swear by Debian.

  30. For when you're not playing games... by Badam · · Score: 5, Informative

    After several attempts to live solely on the console, here are the best apps I've found:

    Links: a superior web browser alternative to Lynx that formats things correctly on your screen.

    Mutt and Pine: Two great email clients that allow you to work much more quickly than with any graphical client.

    Nano: My favorite text editor. I refuse to feel guilty that it's easy to use!

    Micq: a very nice ICQ client that works much better than the various AIM console clients that are out there.

    Finally, last, and well yes, basically least, Seatris: This is the best -- the best! -- of all the console tetris games. It takes me back to wasting hours in the various UC Santa Cruz computer labs.

    Um, Go Banana Slugs! Go Stevenson College! I think that takes care of this year's quota of school spirit.

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    1. Re:For when you're not playing games... by jandrese · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For web browsing, I find that I really like w3m, it handles most basic formatting and does a pretty good job of displaying the page correctly (although a _large_ text terminal is reccomended for some sites). My only complaint is that it does not support Javascript, which makes it unusable on many sites.

      For text editing, how can you forget vim? It's the ultimate text editor. :)

      Because I switch between console and raster modes, I like LICQ as my ICQ client. You can use the qt_gui plugin when you're in raster mode, and the console plugin on the console. This way your contact lists (and more importantly, your history) are saved in the same place. My only complaint is that you have to hack the console plugin because it assumes you have terminals with a black background.

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    2. Re:For when you're not playing games... by ajs · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mutt and Pine: Two great email clients that allow you to work much more quickly than with any graphical client.

      I disagree with that a bit. There are things that mutt is faster at than Evolution (I use these two as examples because I use them both), but other things that Evolution is much faster at.

      Most of the things that Evolution is faster at are a result of the graphical mode of interaction. For example, selecting the last 1/3rd of the messages in a folder can be eye-balled in Evolution, but you have to think about what the numbers involved are in mutt (assuming you have large folders to start with).

      Mutt's pride and joy is the vi-like "motions". I have to say, there's just nothing like "~hautolearn=no;|sa-learn --spam", though as user-interfaces go it lacks something, it's certainly powerful.

      Evolution's virtual mailboxes (a concept from VM, the Emacs-based mailer and to some extent MH as well) are similar in many ways, but have some strengths and weaknesses that don't map exactly onto mutt.

      I find them both quite powerful, and often comparably fast. Evolution takes longer to start, but once it's running, there's nothing quite like being able to select all of your spam from 6 IMAP-based accounts on different servers as fast as you can click on the virtual folder for your spam and press control-a! You can problably guess what the next key usually is ;-)

    3. Re:For when you're not playing games... by dosius · · Score: 4, Informative

      giFTcurs, for connecting to the P2P networks. I use it for KaZaA all the time, you'll need the giFT-FastTrack plugin.

      BitTorrent and Shad0w's client (does BitTornado still have this mode?) have console modes.

      irssi, best console-based IRC client evar.

      nano, my choice of text editor *ducks*.

      ncftp for ftp.

      mplayer to play mp3 and ogg files, it works at teh console too.

      I really only use X for running xterms, xmms and xchat, and all of what I do, I don't really need X for at all. XD;

      Moll.

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    4. Re:For when you're not playing games... by inkedmn · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you like w3m, you'll *love* elinks.

      Oh, and the best damn console app ever is screen. It's a window manager for the console, and it simply rules...

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  31. startx by FedeTXF · · Score: 5, Funny

    The best command line tool is startx. It gives you all the power of a full graphical environment within the console.

  32. Transcode by Gregoyle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Besides the obvious (and ridiculously awesome) nethack, one of the most important and continuously updated CLI programs I use daily is transcode.

    It converts between video formats, and does so quickly and with very good quality. I use it to make XVID backups of my DVDs to play on the road or in my XBOX running MythTV. It's very scriptable, which is why I like it. It also has a great perl-gtk frontend called dvd::rip. You can crop and zoom, as well as browse the various video and audio tracks before you encode. It even supports subtitles.

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  33. mpd by Nasarius · · Score: 3, Informative

    Or you can just use mpd, which supports most popular formats (MP3, OGG, FLAC, AAC/MP4). Use kmp, phpmp, or mpc to control it depending on your mood (and whether or not you have X started).

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  34. and to hide what you were doing by twitter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    its easier to pretend a text based client is real work...

    Not to mention, it's easier to do through a ssh session and not get busted talking to your wife or doing something useful for the company. Beware corporate keyloggers though. If you are that far into a big dumb company, you probably can't have Putty and you might as well give up.

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  35. Snownews by asbradbury · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've found snownews to be a great RSS aggregator, and prefer using it to any of the GUI-based aggregators I've tried. Your mileage may vary, but I'd say it's one of the most useful console applications I've recently discovered.

  36. Killemall by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have a batch script that runs killall and starts playing the metallica album.

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  37. Re:VTs with gpm by Homology · · Score: 4, Informative
    How is `screen` better than Linux VTs (Alt-F*)? Perhaps over an `ssh` session. But not at the console.

    You can detach a process, logout, login again, and the process is still running as you left it. This is handy when doing a long compile over ssh.

  38. Re:VTs with gpm by bmwm3nut · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the best part of 'screen' is that it's detachable from the physical console (or virtual terminal). here are two good uses for screen:

    1: i start a large calculation at work in screen, detach it from the terminal, then when i go home i re-attach it to the terminal on my home computer to check the status.

    2: my friend only has a weak wireless connection at home, it's not stable enough for him to keep a terminal open for a while. so he runs screen, and starts his work there, if anything craps out on him, he can just re attach and go on as if nothing were different.

    both cases are nice for us computational chemists who just write quick and dirty programs that do hard number crunching. most of our programs are tied to the terminal and if the terminal closes, we can easily lose days of computation. i know there are ways around it, but it's just easier to use screen and put all our effort into the chemistry part of the programming.

  39. Midnight Commander by Jack+Auf · · Score: 3, Informative

    Damnit, do not mod me as funny. I am completely serious.

    MC, as it is know to those of us that have known the love of Midnight Commander, is a a tool of incompareable power. From its assorted views, to its many tools and commands, it is a diamond in the muddy rivers of linux console apps.

    Plus it uses F-keys, F-Keys are cool.

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  40. Parent is NOT "funny" by BerntB · · Score: 4, Funny
    [..] NetHack. It took me five years to wean myself off that
    wtf, moderated "funny"? Should be "Insightful". Stupid moderators.

    And, yes, I've lost quite a few months myself... :-(

    On the other hand, real life is for users that can't handle nethack. If it wasn't for another console application that has hooked me, I'd reinstall!

    My real favorite console application is Perl.

    Both incredible power/expresiveness -- and with the syntax, crazy extensions and humour in the Perl tradition, it's like playing a game! :-)

    Yes, yes, Python fans -- my adventure is someone elses horror game. :-)

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  41. Bitlbee by sirReal.83. · · Score: 4, Informative

    Granted, this is not strictly a console application, but bitlbee is perfect for those of you who like to use various IM accounts along with IRC. It acts as an IRC server relay to Jabber, AIM, MSN, ICQ, etc. What this means is you set up your favorite IRC client (if it's not irssi it should be ;) and connect to the bitlbee server. There's only one channel there, #bitlbee, and @root will help you set your accounts up. Once you've done so, your contacts will join the channel. To talk to them, you /msg them. It's pretty cool.

  42. "Stuck with" old machines? by bscott · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just wondering, how can you be "stuck" with an old machine these days? I've seen working, name-brand P3/500-class systems sitting by dumpsters at my old apartment complex, a year and more ago. I've got people wanting to give me ~300-400Mhz laptops they have no other use for these days (I have a contact at a South American school which needs all they can get). A friend of mine recently contracted a persistent virus on an Athlon 850 and decided to buy a new Dell rather than call me up to fix it, so he's got a spare he'll probably put out by the curb.

    Believe me, I know what it's like not to have any extra cash - but if that's the only reason you're stuck with a computer incapable of running a GUI, then one of us is overlooking something...

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  43. Re:VTs with gpm by SealBeater · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, nohup works, but you have to know that you are planning to detach before
    you run anything, screen will allow you to handle disconnects (intentional and
    otherwise) gracefully.

    SealBeater

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  44. Framebuffer Console by fishbowl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think a lot of people who use console apps don't realize that you can get high resolution text consoles using the framebuffer support, and that it is even possible to get high resolution, accelerated graphics modes without using X.

    I find the framebuffer console to be the ultimate interface, period. I am especially fond of the 160x64 character mode, and sometimes use higher resolutions than that. However, in recent kernels, that is, since 2.5 and all through 2.6, the framebuffer support has been very broken for all three video devices where I need it, Radeon 8500LE, Trident Cyberblade/A1, and NForce2.

    On some of these, I can compromise and still use vesafb, but not on the NForce. The kernel developers do not seem concerned at all with this problem, and 2.6.x kernels continue to be released with broken framebuffer console drives marked as stable.

    I think too many people think of 80 column screens when they think of the console, and that I am very much in the minority in that I greatly prefer the native console in linux, together with fbconsole for wider screens, to ANY X terminal solution.
    Nevertheless, I don't understand how such a significant feature makes it into a stable kernel without being marked as experimental, when it is clearly broken.

    In particular, the device for the Radeon really bothers me, because it worked perfectly in 2.4, and then broke for 2.6, and remains broken despite my persistent reports.

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  45. console advantage? by joNDoty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OK, here's a very serious question. I swear, this is not flamebait. My question is, what really is attractive about the console over using a mouse and a GUI? I mean, I understand there's repeatablility in scripting and such, and in some cases typing a command is faster than clicking an icon, but isn't almost everything else more tedious and difficult? I'm talking things like looking at the contents of multiple windows at once. Drag n Drop. The ability to move the cursor anywhere in a document with a click rather than a series of keystrokes. I mean, even the super-popular editors like emacs and such just imitate a window using ASCII art. So for serious. Why do so many of us insist on using console apps wherever possible?

    1. Re:console advantage? by tweek · · Score: 3, Informative

      For me, remote administration and speed.

      Our new system is entirely linux based. Our old system is entirely Windows based.

      I can be on the road on my way out of town, dial into our console server (Cyclades rocks) and power off servers, restart Websphere, run db2 queries and anything else that needs to be done via my laptop connected to a cell phone. One of my first thoughts in building our new datacenter is "What do I need to do so I never have to come here again except to install a new machine?"

      It's that simple. I can manage EVERY part of our infrastructure (CUPS,DB2,WAS and Tivoli) from my car on the side of the road. Think about how much stress that takes off! I can actually LEAVE the house when I'm on call!

      I still feel for our Data warehouse guys. They chose Informatica and short of stopping and starting the Informatica processes, nothing else can be done from the command line.

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  46. The Antidesktop by Noksagt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Freshmeat had an article on The Antidesktop a while back that was a good read.

  47. You forgot one! by Mr2cents · · Score: 3, Insightful

    mc for messing around with files.

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  48. Personal Choices by Phil+Gregory · · Score: 5, Informative

    I live in text mode. Here's a selection of my preferred apps. Most of these are still in active development (though some are more active than others).

    screen. Simply indispensable. It slices and dices console sessions. Pretty much everything I do, I do in screen. I've a page elsewhere that describes everything screen does for me.

    zsh. My shell of choice. Think of all the good features of bash, ksh, and tcsh rolled together. (Without much of the ickiness, particularly the csh heritage.) Personally, the killer application of zsh was that fact that not only did it have context-sensitive completion but (unlike tcsh) it shipped with hordes of completion definitions right out of the box. Type 'dpkg -L fo<tab>' and zsh will autocomplete on the Debian packages currently installed on your system. With an ssh-agent running, type 'scp otherhost:fo<tab>' and zsh will ssh to the other system and autocomplete on the files available on that host.

    irssi. The best IRC client I've come across, certainly beating out IrcII, BitchX, and even epic. Multiple windows, extensible, tons of plugins available.

    bitlbee. This is actually an IRC-to-Instant-Messaging gateway. It allows me to use irssi and the IRC environment with which I am so familiar to also deal with those of my friends and family who insist on using the various IM services.

    snownews. curses-based RSS aggregator. I shopped around a bit before finding an aggregator that I liked. snownews does everything I need.

    mutt. Possibly the best mail client around, GUI or not. While pine is okay (and simpler to use), mutt is much more customizable and scales better to large volumes of email.

    procmail. Again, not exactly command line, but essential to my email usage.

    Emacs. My text-mode editor of choice. Feel free to substitute XEmacs or vi (preferably vim) at your own preference. I prefer emacs to vi, though I know a decent amount of vi, as any sysadmin should. I actually like XEmacs a little better than GNU Emacs, but GNU Emacs has better UTF-8 support.

    w3m. There's also links; I'm not tremendously familiar with it because w3m fills all of my needs and it used to be the case that w3m had better HTML support than links, but I don't believe this is any longer the case. Of note is the fact that w3m can do tabbed browsing, though it's not multithreaded, so you can't read one tab while another is loading. Also, if you run w3m with a valid $DISPLAY, it can even show images in the pages it displays.

    moosic. This is a music jukebox. The features that distinguish it from other such programs are twofold. First, it runs as a standalone server; you interact with it via a command line client. (In theory, a curses or GUI client could be written, but to my knowledge none yet has.) Second, it's customizable with regards to how it plays music. It has a config file where you tell it what programs to use to play various music formats (it does come with reasonable defaults). Someone elsewhere in this article pointed out mpd; I'll have to look at that, but it at least doesn't appear to support the various MOD formats.

    mplayer. It does more or less require some graphical output (X, framebuffer, whatever), but it's run and displays it status in text mod

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  49. Re:screen for X by JabberWokky · · Score: 3, Informative
    sadly there isnt anything like screen for X yet.

    Then what are xmove and xNest? Both work fine, for single apps or a screen like virtual terminal you can move around.

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    Evan "I don't use either, but I do seriously use screen... several of my scripts [ "$TERM" == "screen" ] && do things"

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  50. I use ... by intrep1d · · Score: 3, Informative
    I am happy with my current selection of console applications.

    All console aplications are wrapped inside GNU Screen Why did I ever begin? The list could go on forever. grep, ssh, scp, ncftp, perl, sed, wget, ...