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Lysergically Yours

scsiiscs writes "I have just had the pleasure of reading Lysergically Yours, the first offering from author Frank Duff. As the chemically aware among you may have guessed from the title, this is a novel which deals in part with the synthesis of and culture surrounding LSD. It is much more than just a drug book though, and what's better, it has been released under a Creative Commons license. " Read on for the rest of his review. Lysergically Yours author Frank Duff pages 120 publisher Insurgent Productions/No Media Kings rating Excellent (10) reviewer Ben Konrath ISBN 097348070X summary Clandestine chemists accidentally open the doorway into new modes of human consciousness.

April 16th, 1945: Dr. Albert Hoffman's work on obstetrics pharmacology at Sandoz Laboratories is unexpectedly interrupted by a "stream of fantastic pictures and extraordinary shapes with intense, kaleidoscopic play of colors."[1]

The following weeks saw Dr. Hoffman and his colleagues perform a series of self-experimentations which led to the discovery of the psychotropic effects of D-lysergic acid diethylamide 25, the most potent hallucinogen yet discovered -- and better known as LSD. The doors were suddenly flung open for a new age of exploration into the human mind. Government sanctions however quickly put an end to this line of research. Lysergically Yours, the first novel from Toronto-based author Duff supposes that this research program is still going strong, but not in the places one may traditionally think to look for it.

The reader is first introduced to Johnny, a computer science student at the University of Toronto and one-time high school acid dealer. It is through the lens of Johnny that the reader meets the book's delightfully diverse cast of supporting characters. From Lyle the punk-rock chemist to Tinka the manic witch and surprisingly affable career criminal Ivan, Duff continuously delivers with characters that you almost expect to run into the next time you're on campus despite the fact that they are so eccentric as to verge on unbelievable. As a former University of Toronto student myself, I must admit that the setting of the book was also wonderfully realized. From Convocation Hall to Lash Miller Chemical Laboratories to the basement of Hart House, Lysergically Yours romps across the university and the city bringing to life each locale that it touches.

The story itself is somewhat hard to classify. The opening throws Johnny and the reader into a very tense scene in which Johnny is the prisoner of Korean and Vietnamese mobsters and the building in which he is being held is being assaulted from outside by unknown forces. From this action-movie introduction, the story flashes back and begins to relate a decidedly non-action-movie drug culture caper story wherein Lyle and Johnny attempt to fund illegal research and a hedonistic lifestyle through the synthesis and sale of LSD. By the end however, as Johnny and Lyle find themselves deeper and deeper in trouble, the plot of Lysergically Yours verges strongly on the science fictional, yet Duff manages to wrap it all up into a bundle which leaves the reader feeling both entertained and satisfied.

At times the discussion of the technical details of drug synthesis and of various less than legal money-making schemes seem unnecessarily verbose, but perhaps they will be appreciated by those who are more familiar with the fields or even looking for a few pointers. In general however, Duff's prose is poetic in its spareness and simplicity. His dialogue also is unflowery and believable, conveying a real sense of character and situation. Even the far-sweeping conclusion of the novel, suggesting a world forever and fundamentally changed by the actions of a couple of punk rockers, is presented in a crisp and unapologetic style. As a reader, I could not help but be reminded of Neal Stephenson and, to a certain extent, Philip K. Dick.

My largest complaint with Lysergically Yours is that it is too short. Weighing in at 120 pages, the book is an easy read but leaves you feeling that it could have easily been expanded to fill twice as many. Still, in a time when most books seem to be guilty of the opposite sin, I am willing to forgive Frank Duff this indiscretion.

Another thing which makes this novel worth noticing is that it is released in affiliation with No Media Kings, an organization started by Toronto-based author Jim Munroe to promote a return to grass-roots media. In accordance with this "media of the people, by the people and for the people" ethos, Frank Duff has released the novel as a free e-text under the Creative Commons Attribution/Non-Commercial/Share-Alike license. This license not only allows the text of the novel to be freely distributed in any medium, but also explicitly allows for anyone to create derivative works from the novel for any non-commercial purpose. The use of this contract follows in the footsteps of successful science fiction author Cory Doctorow. The book is available as a physical artifact at a variety of small bookstores or directly from the author via his website where the e-book and several of his other shorter works are also available for free download.

[1] Hoffman, A. (1980) "LSD: My Problem Child," New York: McGraw-Hill.

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  1. More information... by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Very interesting to see this on slashdot.

    Lysergically Yours is a good book, but is nothing compared to some of the other books available out there.


    I would suggest TIHKAL and PIHKAL by Alexander and Ann Shulgin

    That is, if you're interested in the chemistry... but for more casual psychonaughts, I would explore Erowid for information.

    The best part both TIHKAL and PIHKAL's more interesting and (knowledgable) parts are available for FREE online via those two links. Have fun, and remember, psychoactives can be a valuable learning experience but to anything good there's equal if not more bad. Read everything with logic and don't go and turn out like Huxley.

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    Excuse me, I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean
    1. Re:More information... by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Informative

      I wholeheartedly agree that these are great books, and I think that before anyone forms an opinion about people who use psychedelics based on those idiot kids that eat too much E and go to parties and get themselves in trouble, that they should read these books.

      The portions that are available for free, while wonderful for their own reasons, pale in comparison to the first half of the books. That is the story.

      These books are the "true story" (names changes etc in an attempt to avoid prosecution which worked well enough to keep the shulgins free, but not enough to save Sasha's Schedule 1 chemicals license as the opening of tihkal tells) of a chemist and psycopharmacologist.

      This man has invented drugs that later hit the street. He is so well respected in the community, that his job is a consultant. The DEA often brings him in to testify as an expert witness on chemistry and drugs. He is the real deal.

      More than that he is personally amazing. I saw him speak at MIT last year, and for an 80 year old man (or just about hes what 79 or so?) he is vibrant and totally with it. If I am half as with it as he is when I am 70, I will be thankful for how I ended up.

      Not exactly what many people would expect from a person who has had the experiences he has.

      -Steve

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    2. Re:More information... by funbobby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The idea behind "exploration" is that you can see a lot of interesting things about how something works when you push it outside of its normal running conditions.

    3. Re:More information... by Davethewaveslave · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Written by someone who clearly has never had the experience...

      Unless you have a degree in psychology, or more on-topic, are a psychiatrist, I wouldn't waste your effort dismissing what we are "supposed to get from researchers tripping on LSD".

      I'm neither a psychologist or a psychiatrist, but I can tell you from my experiences in the drug culture that there is certainly something about LSD that warrants more research into its effects on the mind. I've read that some researchers suggest it could benefit people who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder, such as rape victims and war veterans. If improving the life of a trauma victim is not a worthy cause, I'm not sure what would be...

    4. Re:More information... by daveashcroft · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, certain psychadelic drugs allow complete ego loss. Whereas recreational use may not be the best, if a person with deep-seated emotional problems can be taken by a trusted professional (ie psychiatrist) into a state of ego-loss and therefore allow themselves to see their "problem" from a different angle, as an outsider...then this can be very useful.

      Until the early 70's, LSD was used VERY succesfully in many cases in the treatment of alcoholism. "Clarity of mind" is an often overused statement, but for some people who's whole *normal* life revolved around wanting to satiate a craving for alcohol, limited and controlled LSD use could help them see what they were doing to themselves from another persons perspective.

      LSD was also succesfully used (as MDMA is now beginning to be tested) as a treatment for rape victims. Temporarily dissociating the victim from the experience and the emotion of what had happened to them allowed them to asses the situation and separate the act of violence from the emotional scar.

      Im not saying we should have a free-for-all, but i think its a damn shame that trained and trusted professionals are now banned in most of the world (by UN directive) from developing alreayd proven treatments for debilitating emotional disorders.

    5. Re:More information... by johnnyb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm with you for the most part until you called doctors and psychologists "trusted" professionals. Clearly you do not know many of them...

    6. Re:More information... by vandan · · Score: 2, Funny

      The people you have come across most likely had damaged minds to start with, and their use of psychedelics simply accelerated their decline. They can do that. But they can also be the best chance of repairing mental damage, if used in a responsible way and under supervision of someone who knows what they're doing.

      There are certainly chemical compounds out there that can be used safely that improve your mind. People have been smoking weed for hundreds of thousands of years. There are theories that Human's ascent into a conscious realm of our own above the animal world was largely due to our use of Psyclobin mushrooms. The South American tribes swear by Ayahuasca. Go to any rave an ask people if the drugs they take are improving their lives and minds, and you will get some very interesting, articulate responses. Only those who have never tried psychedelics are so fast to write them off as being dangerous or damaging.

    7. Re:More information... by miskatonic+alumnus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... as an unaffected third party its pretty clear LSD has some pretty clear permanent mind altering effects, beyond the short term hallucagenic effects.

      Pretty clear, huh? Well, I can speak from first hand experience that no permanenet effects occurred, other than the registration of memories. Who you gonna believe? To paraphrase something I read somewhere, you cannot trust ANYONE'S assessment of drugs or the effects thereof:

      If the "authority" has done drugs, they are an unreliable source of information as their brains have been fried.

      If the "authority" has not done drugs, they are unreliable because they don't know first hand what they are talking about.

    8. Re:More information... by miskatonic+alumnus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      exactly what deep insights into the workings of the human mind are we supposed to get from researchers tripping on LSD?

      How about this one: A particularly common motif experienced by "acid heads" is to hallucinate patterns reminiscent of ancient Mayan artwork. So, where is the insight? Apparently, some people -- who had never before been exposed to this imagery -- have seen these patterns after dosing on LSD! What does this say about the human mind? It says to me that there are latent images and symbols present in our neural matrix that are common to people from different regions and cultures. Now, where do these patterns come from?

      Here is another: Why do these compounds have reality distorting effects -- like video, audio, and tactile hallucinations? Because our brains rely upon native chemical analogs in order to form our perception of reality. To put it succinctly, everyone is tripping on drugs all the time. If you could extract all the psychoactives that your body naturally makes and put them in a bottle, you would be subject to arrest for possesion of an illegal substance.

      How's that for insight?

    9. Re:More information... by johnnyb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've just found that those in the "higher professions" (CS, medicine, psychology, law, etc.) seem to have

      * an elevated view of themselves and their opinion (not necessarily bad, if it weren't for the rest of the list)
      * the belief that their profession was more important than any other
      * the belief that their role should be authoritative instead of advisory (actually, psychologists don't do this, but the rest do)
      * the belief that those they serve have no ability to think for themselves
      * the belief that most traditions in life are bad because they weren't the ones who came up with them

    10. Re:More information... by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well I for one WILL say they can be dangerous or damaging. Some simply are.
      And I HAVE tried pot and lsd. Not in great quantities, but more than once.
      It was quite a while ago. My take is that I did learn from them, and value the experience. But also I can see bad roads leading from those places and would caution AGAINST experimentation. If there were leagle and safe methods of use with trained professionals it would be different. But currently it can be a crap shoot.
      Pot is nearly harmless, and has some medical value. But to many make it such a big part of thier life it gets in the way, just like some people with drinking. I wouldn't hesistate to give it a leagle standing on par with drinking however.
      LSD is more serious. Yes you can gain some interesting points of view from it, and I really enjoyed the talk your ass off philosophical part of it. But it can exagerate any mental state so much, if you have a bad state going in it can hurt you. Also some try large doses to get the 'halucinations' that thier mental state ruins any chance of getting anything but 'wierd' (if lucky) out of it.
      I wouldn't go back in time and undo my experiences of years ago even if I could. I don't want to repeat them eigther.
      My advice would be not to try lsd, and pot only in a safe environment, and around friends you trust, preferably in a country where it's leagal, because here in the US it is not. And don't lose perspective if you really must try pot, you don't want to make it a significant part of your life. If you must try it, do a small amount once or twice then move on.
      I guarantee it lowers your IQ while stoned. I've known, and still know, lots of people who've used it and once past just a little they lose smarts till they sober up, and most of the time swear the opposite, kinda like the drunk who thinks he can drive just fine.

      Mycroft

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      https://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4c3ed6600b6ea
    11. Re:More information... by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Then I must exist some sort of statistical fluke, nearly everyone I've ever met who's tried it more than once has had at least a few flashbacks. I count at least a dozen. One guy was having them years(5+) later with leaves turning colors, in summer.
      Yeah the guy who had issues as much as said he did A LOT of acid (8-10 hits every weekend day, for over three years) and that the cocain and occasional meth and electroshock where bad for him. He never quite re-connected, but he wasn't totaly gone eigther, most of the time he could do alright, just seemed a little odd. So I don't count his experiences towards much other than DONT DO WHAT HE DID!
      Intense flashbacks are rare, and usually indicate a pattern of heavy usage over an extended period of time. Flashbacks, based on the dozen or two people I've talked to, occure in frequency and intesity in proportion to usage. It also varies with individual difference. I only did about 7 hits over 3 occasions and had very minor (mild tracers, slight shift of mental perspective) a dozen times or so over the next 18-24 months. Another friend of mine two hits once, he had two incedences of minor tracers during the next 3 months, nothing since. Another, the exception in my experience, did 5 hits on two occasions and only reported feeling alittle odd once a week after the second occasion, but not odd like lsd.
      One guy I knew who used to sell LSD and had a lifetime total in the mid 30's had minor flashbacks on a weekly basis, and during the year I knew him had one full blown trip, he commented that since he'd stoped doing LSD the strength and frequency had droped off considerably. I saw him after his wedding 3 years later and asked how he was, and amoung other things mentions his flashbacks had become rare and were never more than tracers anymore. One close friend with a slightly higher life-total had somwhat weaker flashbacks that faded faster after he quit.
      Now you can say thier rare, and perhaps they are and my experiences and those of about 15 people I've met are unusual, but I think the fact that it's been illeagal for close to 30 years thus reducing the possibility for scientific studies, I doubt it.

      Mycroft

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    12. Re:More information... by Afrosheen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you want a tad bit more explanation of 'why' to your questions, here you go.

      Serotonin is responsible for regulating emotion and other reactions in the brain. It's a nice little enzyme that plugs into neuroreceptors and prevents absorption of other chemicals. LSD and it's friends fit into the same plug as serotonin does and therefore causes elevated serotonin levels. By proxy, other chemical levels rise and the result is chemical chaos.

      The perceptual confusion that results, like typical reports of seeing sound and hearing light, is due to parts of the brain that handle channeling information from point A to point B getting crossed up. Nearly the whole brain is affected, which in turn affects the CNS (central nervous system). People have often reported being 'faster' or 'stronger' under the influence of LSD, and it's a direct result of the CNS stimulation. Sweating and delayed fatigue is common as well.

      I know way too much about this subject so I'll bore you with any more details. Suffice it to say, the patterns people see are the direct result of chemical processes that are out of whack. Not enough sleep will cause you to hallucinate after a few days...serotonin is to blame for that as well. Without a regulator chemical, other chemicals cause trouble.

      (as a sidenote, for those of you who want to experience LSD visual patterns without the drugs, go build a Dream Machine. Good times with your brain's alpha waves).

  2. 2P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    All your hits are belong to us.

  3. Ah, LSD by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Funny

    So many memories.....erased.

    1. Re:Ah, LSD by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have some of the most vivid memories of what I was doing while I was spun on acid.

      I don't know if that is a good or a bad thing but I certainly know that no matter what it was that I was saw, thought about, or did, LSD opened doors in my life that I would never have explored otherwise.


      Absolutely. Everyone should take LSD at least once in their life. It really opens your eyes to things and I still have many insights into life that I think I might never had without it. I took it about 10-15 times (last time was more than 10 years ago.) I have never had a flashback, and only one 'bad trip' (which was terrible, but is really a product of the environment you expose yourself too while on it.) LSD has really been demonized but I think it is pretty harmless. If you really can't bring yourself to take LSD, try shrooms. You get the same affect but for a much shorter time.

    2. Re:Ah, LSD by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Informative

      P.S. Since I advocated the use LSD or shrooms, please note: Never, ever, ever, ever take it alone and if you have never taken it, take it with some one who has. If you don't follow those rules, you will have a bad time. Guaranteed.

    3. Re:Ah, LSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      (Having to post anonymously because of the fear of company anti-drug policy sucks)

      LSD certainly helped me out immensely. I used to be very shy and pretty antisocial. This is hard to explain but when I first did acid, I was able to have two very distinct tracks of thought one which was me interacting with people, and the other which was me observing myself interacting with people. I saw that what I had always thought of as people being antisocial toward me, was an illusion. These people behaved the same way toward me as they did everyone else... it was me who was being antisocial.

      After that trip I was able to change the way I reacted to people, and finally have normal relationships with the people around me.

      I've done LSD a few times since then, and have never had a bad trip, or any sort of flashbacks.

    4. Re:Ah, LSD by ktulu1115 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Very good advice but I'll take it a step further - Read the FAQ before you do. It will make the experience infinitely better, and if you follow it very closely your chances of having a bad trip will be next to none.

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      # fuser -v /dev/attention | grep work
      #
    5. Re:Ah, LSD by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Absolutely. Everyone should take LSD at least once in their life. It really opens your eyes to things and I still have many insights into life that I think I might never had without it.
      I'd have to disagree. But maybe not for the reasons you'd think.

      When I was in high school, LSD was the drug of choice. I'm not kidding -- more people were around, dropping acid, than doing cocaine or pills or speed or anything else. Certainly all that stuff was there, too, but you could barely go to class on your average Thursday and be assured that nobody in that class was tripping on LSD. And I mean everybody did it. The jocks did it. And you know what? As far as I can tell, it "opened their eyes" to pretty much exactly ... nothing. Those clowns acted like jocks act pretty much the world over. If you met them at a party and they were tripping pretty hard, they would babble at you with some sheepish grin on their faces, but the rest of the time they were getting into fights, date-raping girls, tricking out cars, getting drunk, and refusing to pay for abortions just like the rest of 'em. If anything, their experiences with LSD only opened them up to start taking E when that came on the market, and subsequently some of those guys fried their brains out pretty good getting into that whole culture. (On the plus side, it seemed to make them a lot less aggressive/violent.)

      So yeah, maybe if you're curious about certain kinds of brain experiments you can conduct on yourself, and you're a contemplative enough person to get something out of it, then maybe you should add LSD to your checklist of "things to do before I croak." But otherwise, you're just taking drugs. I can't really tell who'se worse, though ... the people who just take LSD to get high, or those hippies who still walk around yammering about how great it is to take drugs, not realizing that while they were stoned and not paying attention, pretty much the whole world started taking drugs, and nonetheless, the utopian society of like-thinking individuals enlightened by LSD never happened. Pity.

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    6. Re:Ah, LSD by maximilln · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People have a greater tendency to freak out when trying anything new, be it a psychological experience, sky diving, scuba diving, driving, motorcycling, snowboarding, bicycling, or anything which requires intense concentration.

      There is no substitute for calm and experience.

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      +++ATHZ 99:5:80
    7. Re:Ah, LSD by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you're really pressed for time, say just a half hour between pottery painting class and picking up the kids, then try a little Dimethyltriptamine (DMT).
      It packs all the punch of acid trip into 15 minutes. And leaves you all warm and fuzzy afterwards.
      See Ken Russell's 1981 film with William Hurt called 'Altered States' where he injects DMT into a withdrawn patient just see what will happen. When he asks her what she feels, she replies, "I feel like God is touching my heart."

    8. Re:Ah, LSD by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pay no attention to the buzzkill spell the parent is throwing at you. Take LSD or mushrooms alone or with company as you judge best, depending on your mental stability, or ability to possibly confront dramatically your inner contradictions. The presence of another person can help avoid any compounding feelings of lonliness/abandonment/alienation if the unfamiliar experience feels threatening, while you're in a sensitive mental state that can become quite exaggerated. Depending on the sympathetic capacity of the other person. In fact, any drug that doesn't leave you passed out with a plastic bag over your head (like some kinds of N20 abuse) is just as risky alone as with a "spotter" or guide. But be aware that LSD, due to the "set and setting" effect, allows you to experience the kind of trip that you expect, especially if your preconceptions are subliminal, like those which can be planted by self-fulfilling "warnings" from even possibly well-meaning advisors. In fact, learning to challenge injected preconceptions, unnoticed even by their transmitters, is one of LSD's most famous, and rewarding, long-term effects. Don't get in over your head, but don't accept that anyone else has more responsibility for that head than you do yourself.

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    9. Re:Ah, LSD by hxnwix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've observed the same. Close-minded socialites learn nothing... from anything, ever. Their world is their social status, not themselves - psychedelics can't transform such people into pondering, introverted, interesting souls.

      I know many such hopeless cases and I've seen them "trip balls" and fail to pick up anything from the experience. I also know interesting folks that ate magic mushrooms, profoundly improved their attitudes and finally faced issues that had dogged them for years.

      Obdurate individuals tend to remain so, but the handful of psychedelic chemicals can and has helped thoughtful, sensitive people through chronic psychological impasses.

    10. Re:Ah, LSD by Scaba · · Score: 3, Funny
      Those clowns acted like jocks act pretty much the world over. If you met them at a party and they were tripping pretty hard, they would babble at you with some sheepish grin on their faces, but the rest of the time they were getting into fights, date-raping girls, tricking out cars, getting drunk, and refusing to pay for abortions just like the rest of 'em.

      Dude, you were in school with George Bush?

  4. Whoa by stoneymonster · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll download this as soon as my mouse stops snapping at my like an alligator.

  5. Only fitting... by Jetson · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... that it would be posted by someone named Timothy.

  6. Is he on drugs? by fantomas · · Score: 5, Funny

    Releasing a valuable literary work under such a hippy, liberal, communist style copyright agreement? with all sorts of potential financial opportunities such as sales to Hollywood, serialisation in popular magazines, web based commercial exploitation? Is the author mad? IS HE ON DRUGS?

    1. Re:Is he on drugs? by Transient0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      sir or madam:

      you have officially been marked for quotation on the back cover of any future re-release.

      --transient0 (aka Frank Duff)

  7. As Jerry once said... by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Jerry Garcia (quoted during an interview with Rolling Stone in 1991):

    Psychedelics showed me a whole other universe, hundreds and millions of universes. So that was an incredibly positive experience. But on the other hand, I can't take psychedelics and perform as a professional. I might go out onstage and say, 'Hey, fuck this, I want to go chase butterflies!'

  8. Unix Retrospective by MooseByte · · Score: 5, Funny

    "this is a novel which deals in part with the synthesis of and culture surrounding LSD."

    I see. So basically a tale of the origins of unix? :-)

  9. Regarding conciousness by toasted_calamari · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have never taken hallucinagens, so I cannot comment from personal experience, but I have always wondered whether the "new modes of conciousness" so often reported are actually new ways of looking at the world, or merely hallucinations themselves.

    As a reference point, I would suggest reading the book Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman by Physicist Richard Feynman. One chapter in particular discusses the authors experiences with halluncination in a sensory depravation chamber.

    During one experience in the chamber, Feynman came to understand exactly how memories were organized in the brain. It made perfect sense, however, upon leaving the chamber, he realized that what had made perfect sense an hour ago, was absolutly rediculous. His understanding had been no more real than the things he was seeing in the chamber.

    1. Re:Regarding conciousness by pclminion · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I have never taken hallucinagens, so I cannot comment from personal experience, but I have always wondered whether the "new modes of conciousness" so often reported are actually new ways of looking at the world, or merely hallucinations themselves.

      It is difficult, as a person who has experienced hallucinogenic states, to explain to someone who hasn't, just what it's really like. There is definitely something to be learned by experiencing these altered states. It helps to remind us that what we experience in our minds as "reality" is anything but real, and that we really don't have direct access to "reality" as it truly exists. It even might cause you to doubt that there is anything such as the "true nature" of things.

      Feynman had an idea, which when he moved to a profoundly different mental environment, appeared ridiculous. The important lesson to be learned here is that what seems very reasonable and sane about reality could be equally ridiculous, and we're just in the wrong frame of mind to "see" it.

      His understanding had been no more real than the things he was seeing in the chamber.

      That's really the entire point. Who knows what "real" is, when your conscious perceptions of reality can be so profoundly altered by taking a few milligrams (or in this case, micrograms) of some chemical compound?

      In a psychedelic state, it is common to look at normal waking life that used to seem so normal, and feel that it is completely ridiculous.

      In fact, there is no logical basis to claim that either state is "real," or "ridiculous." Drugs whack you upside the head with the philosophical truth that "reality," as we commonly define it, doesn't really exist in any relevant way. It is only psychological reality which matters.

      (BTW, I haven't taken any psychedelic compounds in a long time, and don't plan to again.)

    2. Re:Regarding conciousness by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Who knows what "real" is, when your conscious perceptions of reality can be so profoundly altered by taking a few milligrams (or in this case, micrograms) of some chemical compound? In a psychedelic state, it is common to look at normal waking life that used to seem so normal, and feel that it is completely ridiculous.
      But surely you see where one could make the argument that this is more rationally seen as evidence of a chronic dysfunction of the brain caused by the use of drugs than as evidence of any "heightened mental state." You're going to experience what most people accept as "reality" for all of the period of your life that you spend not under the influence of psychedelic drugs. It's the default state of the organism. Why assume that it's an aberrant or erroneous state, just because you can produce a different state by introducing foreign chemical compounds into the system? It makes more sense to assume that the post-chemical state is aberrant.

      Or, to put it another way, countless books, pamphelets, plays, movies, and rambling diaries have been produced attempting to explain or prove the profound revelations produced by the use of hallucinogens, and in every case, it seems to me that the "revelations" can be very simply illustrated with the following statement:

      Drugs get you high.
      Can't we all just admit it and move on?
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      Breakfast served all day!
    3. Re:Regarding conciousness by Pedrito · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Like many others here, I'm sure, I've had some experience here in the past. While many times the hallucinations might appear to be meaningless after the effects have worn off, and maybe in many senses they are meaningless, it's that they're profound and meaningful at the time that is often what's important.

      In many ways, we are the sum of our experiences, whether based in "normal reality" or some altered state of it. LSD causes the reality you experience to be very profound, emotionally and psychologically, and this can lead to very important changes after the fact.

      While I think there is a great deal of potential for therapeutic LSD use (in the 60s, they had fairly good success in combatting alcoholism with it), it can be equally dangerous.

      In my own case, I managed to overcome a good deal of shyness through a single LSD experience, that has lasted to this day (some 18 or 19 years later). I chalk this up to the power of the emotions I felt regarding my shyness at the time. On the other hand, I know people who have been emotionally scarred for many years from "bad trips" for precisely the same reason.

      As for other "uses" that are productive, there is sometimes an ability to handle abstract problem solving that can be associated with LSD experiences. In many cases, people have solved real-life problems through LSD, in fields of Architecture, Physics, and I'm sure others as well. I don't know that I would ever use it for that purpose, but I've seen a good deal of anecdotal evidence that it exists, and from my own experiences, I would tend to believe it. After all, you're simply much more open to different ways of looking at or approaching problems and sometimes that's all it takes to solve it.

    4. Re:Regarding conciousness by blincoln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My experience was that the value of psychedelics was not in any supposed revelations about the outside world, but what they revealed about me.

      It's been a long time since I've used any psychoactives other than alcohol (I even gave up caffeine last year), but I tried LSD, mushrooms, dextromethorphan, and even PCP once (that was an accident, we thought it was something else) when I was younger. My memory of all of them was kind of like the cave in Empire Strikes Back - what you experience is "only what you take with you."

      Seeing the entire world visibly altered by your perception of yourself can be a really powerful experience, and tell you a lot about who you are. I worry about the people who take LSD, then see a monster when they look in the mirror. Maybe it's just self-doubt, but maybe there is a valid reason why they see themselves that way.

      It's really too bad that the majority point of view seems to be that psychedelics are something that should be banned. There are certainly some dangerous drugs out there, but other than nightmare-incuding substances like PCP I would say that they're all in the same general safety range as alcohol, especially when used in the proper setting.

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    5. Re:Regarding conciousness by back_pages · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Just have a few moments to drop a note.

      I had a rather peculiar home life and developed into an extremely self concious, introverted, self loathing kid. My mother was chronically depressed, my dad worked enough so that I only saw him on weekends, I found out later that my siblings and I were intentionally kept seperated from our extended family because of emotional rifts between my (Ma & Pa) and their siblings. I had an incredibly difficult time interacting with my peers, was gifted (enough to eventually score 2200 on the GREs without studying) but on the fast road to flunking out of high school.

      And then after some experimental tries, I dosed on 7.5 hits of gel tab and sat around a playground at 1am. I climbed up the slide, sat on the top, and intended to slide down it. As I sat at the top, I looked up at the stars and was immediately struck by the oddness of my situation. I was legally insane, sitting on a slide on a cloudless moonlit night, and staring straight up at the stars.

      And then I was hit with the question: "What am I like?" It just kept going through my head over and over until the syllables didn't even sound like English. The phrase was just some gibberish that inquired about the most fundamental core of my whole identity. "What am I like?"

      Then I felt like the star above me was perfectly in line with my spine, that the universe was locked onto me and turning around me. (This has always been my way of relating to Achilleus - the one Man in history with the audacity, confidence, blackened heart, and glory to defy the gods. This is mostly tangential, hence the parenthesis, but at the time Achilleus was my most idolized literay figure and therefore this had great coincidential significance.)

      I sat like this for probably 15 minutes. "What am I like?" Fuck it, at my core, I am everybody else.

      I did not slide down that slide. While I was up there, the act of sliding down really took on a monumental significance to me, but I can't really define it. I climbed back down the ladder.

      Ever since that night, I've felt like I'm just as valuable a person as anyone else. I assert myself, I speak up, I feel like I'm worthy of being liked.

      As another poster described, it is incredibly difficult to relate your LSD experiences to someone who hasn't taken them, but that was my two cents. LSD can be some dangerous shit, but rightly or wrongly, I feel like I got 15 years of therapy in 15 minutes.

    6. Re:Regarding conciousness by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. Nothing puts you in a different state of reality. It just puts up an additional filter between your mind and reality. We've already discovered ways in which our direct senses are already a bit of a distortion of reality - for example, our sense of color is just a crude approximation of the actual spectrum, and it is inaccurate and it can be fooled (for example, red light and green light do not actually combine to form yellow light, but it looks like they do simply because our eyes cannot disginguish between one single yellow spike on the spectrum and two smaller red and green spikes on the spectrum - both result in the same data reaching the brain. Shine that light through a prism to split out the rainbow and you can see the difference, but look at it directly and you cannot.)

      So our senses are already an abstraction of reality. Taking drugs does NOT alter your reality anymore than putting on color-tinted glasses does. While wearing the glasses the color of objects changes in your vision, but the reality of them hasn't been affected in the slightest.

      To say that taking drugs puts you in a different reality is to argue in favor of solipsism.

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    7. Re:Regarding conciousness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I feel like I got 15 years of therapy in 15 minutes.

      I had a lot of family problems in my developmental years as well. The end result was that by my early teen years I'd developed into a pretty emotionally unstable person. Eventually I couldn't live with either myself or the world around me and decided to kill myself. I'd also heard of ayahuasca, and the reports by people who claimed it was medicine for the soul. That sounded exactly like what I needed, so I figured it was worth a try - if it didn't work than I could always go back to the original plan of suicide.

      That experiment changed everything for me. In those few hours my ego was stripped away, and I was able to examine my life from another viewpoint. Not only that, but I was forced to see just how much beauty there was in the world. I realised that I'd been avoiding doing both of these for most of my life. I was given an amazing chance to see that I'd been avoiding anything good in life, in order to make sure that it wouldn't be taken away from me as my family had been.

      I'm not going to claim the ayahuasca healed me, like psychotherapy it just alowed me another viewpoint to allow me to heal myself. But without it I'm certain I never would have reached a point in my life where I'd have been able to do so. Especially given that I'd tried therapy before, and had never had much luck with it. I have little doubt that if it wasn't for ayahuasca, I'd be long dead at this point.

    8. Re:Regarding conciousness by dr.badass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think an important distinction many people don't make is between thoughts that occur during altered states and thoughts that occur when reflecting upon one's experience in altered states.

      With almost any psychoactive drugs, thoughts will occur to you that "seemed like a good idea at the time". Alcohol might have you convinced that you want to take your pants off and dance on the bar. Pot might tell you that you really need some nachos. Cocaine will tell you that thing that will make your life better is some more cocaine. LSD might tell you that the floor is made of lava and you really need to go to connect with the universe by playing all of your records backwards. Amphetmines will tell you that everything you do is perfect and that food and sleep aren't really necessary. And they all tell you that you're being perfectly rational.

      Any of these things might be perfectly good ideas, but far too many people forget that the drug is imposing it's own sort rationality on you, in the same way that dreams, as real as they seem, are never actually realistic.

      As with dreams, however, there are real benefits to reflecting upon one's experiences with drugs. The very fact that these drugs are able to modify your senses in such profound ways tells you something about how unreliable and malleable your senses really are. The fact that they can effect your ability to reason can make you question how 'pure' your reasoning is without drugs.

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  10. Can't.....help.......must.....post..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is official; Netcraft confirms: *LSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *LSD community....

  11. LSD in my hometown by Nos. · · Score: 2, Informative
    Most of the early research on LSD was conducted in my hometown of Weyburn (before I was born).
  12. only on slashdot by proj_2501 · · Score: 4, Funny

    is the license under which a book is released more interesting than the book itself.

  13. alternative medicine by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you can't obtain real LSD, you can always use banana peels. For real history see Michael Hollingshead [clue: he's the guy that turned Leary onto LSD!]

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    1. Re:alternative medicine by cubic6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you actually read the page you linked to? They drank water with LSD dissolved in it, then smoked the "banana joints". Wonder which one caused the psychadelic experiences?

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  14. What are we reviewing here? Book or license? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It is much more than just a drug book though, and what's better, it has been released under a Creative Commons license.

    So if it was crap, it would still be "much better" crap because it's Creative Commons? Or, if it was brilliant, it might not be quite as brilliant, not quite as good if it where not under Creative Commons? What does the quality of the read have to do with the licensing?

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    1. Re:What are we reviewing here? Book or license? by happyfrogcow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      well, because you can now read it and say, "hey this sucks. But just barely. If i were to change this part and this part... add a giant robot here, it would actually be a really good story." Then rewrite those parts, keeping all the rest original, rename it, and not be sued for plagerism or anything else.

      or i could just say "...and what's better" is a common phrase also meaning "hey, there's more value here that you might not have noticed". /. has to stop taking everything so literally

    2. Re:What are we reviewing here? Book or license? by haakoneide · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would a failed collision-test on a car make driving it less fun? No, but it's still an even better car if it has airbags.

  15. Ob. video link by Boiling_point_ · · Score: 2, Funny

    British troops testing LSD - 14mb video, but essential viewing for those considering mixing hallucinogens with the workplace

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    1. Re:Ob. video link by Coupons · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...for those considering mixing hallucinogens with the workplace...

      Rumor spread around the ship that we were going to be hit with a locker inspection. I rumaged and found an old tab of acid under some socks. Didn't think it would be any good after six months, so I ate it, put on my dress blues and headed topside for my quarterdeck watch. Took about half an hour to add three lines to the log. The Officer of the Deck looked at me kinda funny, but I didn't get too paranoid and it never crossed my mind to use my loaded .45 on him. All in all it was pretty mellow, but I wouldn't recommend it.

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  16. How about some non-fiction, from the source? by BadDoggie · · Score: 5, Informative
    Try Albert Hofmann's own book, LSD - My Problem Child, which has been available on the Web -- for free -- for about a decade already. It's also available here as a single text file.

    Much more interesting, exciting and enlightening.

  17. What a shame... by DynaSoar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that Albert Hoffman is remembered only for LSD.

    Fact is, he created the first nootropic (cognitive enhancing) drug, hydergine, and deserves far more recognition for that than for LSD, or any of the other drugs of far more utility that he created.

    The fact that he's not recognized for this only indicates that most people would rather be stoned than smart. That's a damn shame for him, and shame on them.

    Oh, and shame on the US for not approving hydergine for use. It's one of the safest drugs there is, and useful to most anyone. Unfortunately, like many good drugs, the patents are owned by non-US companies, so no US company stands to profit, and so the FDA doesn't approve it. If it were the case that nootropics weren't useful, then Nobel laureate Eric Kandel wouldn't have announced devoting the remainder of his career to creating them.

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    1. Re:What a shame... by RealAlaskan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, how about a few links on hydergine, and nootropics in general?

    2. Re:What a shame... by Grond · · Score: 3, Informative
      Oh, and shame on the US for not approving hydergine for use. It's one of the safest drugs there is, and useful to most anyone. Unfortunately, like many good drugs, the patents are owned by non-US companies, so no US company stands to profit, and so the FDA doesn't approve it. If it were the case that nootropics weren't useful, then Nobel laureate Eric Kandel wouldn't have announced devoting the remainder of his career to creating them.


      I don't know if you're misinformed or just didn't check your sources (I would certainly hesitate to claim that you're lying outright), but hydergine is most defninitely approved for use in the US. Furthermore, while the company that makes it (Novartis) is primarily a Swiss company born out of the merger of Ciba and Sandoz (the company Hoffman was working for), I imagine any patents they had on the stuff have long since run out as it was discovered in the late 1940s.

      My sources:
      FDA approval
      Discovery date
    3. Re:What a shame... by davidkv · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First of all Albert Hoffman is - as far as I know - alive and well. He's almost 100 years old now. Really.

      Second, I think LSD has been much more influential to the world than hydergine has, or problably ever will.

      Utility or not is mostly in the eye of the beholder. LSD certainly has a good way of showing you that. It has quite little to do with being "stoned".

      Other than that, I sort of agree with you.

  18. Drugs are bad mmmmmmmkay by GillBates0 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Don't do drugs kids. There is a time and place for everything. It's called college. - Chef

    /ob

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  19. Re:LSD advertisement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, that would be a reason to avoid HEROIN and BAD WRITING. Nothing/very little to do with acid.

  20. PDF Version by siliconjunkie · · Score: 2, Informative

    I made a quick and dirty PDF (with the cover art) for those of you who aren't into reading flat text files (i prefer PDF's myself).

    http://www3.telus.net/public/gsell/ly/

    1. Re:PDF Version by siliconjunkie · · Score: 2, Informative
  21. Reality is absolute by genner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sadly reality isn't an agreement, it's a absolute. A man may think he can fly while on drugs but his perceptions won't keep him alive if he jumps off a building.

    1. Re:Reality is absolute by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Naw, that's only true in our shared experiences.

      Reality is by definition subjective. You know it through the sum of your experiences.

    2. Re:Reality is absolute by John+Courtland · · Score: 2, Funny

      Welcome to philosophy. Prove anything is real and you win a cookie.

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    3. Re:Reality is absolute by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 3, Funny

      A real cookie?

  22. April 16th, 1945 by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The walls have melted, and my lab assistant Charles has turned into a a lemur that resembles the late Kaiser Wilhelm.

    However, the flying mice assure me that this is perfectly normal."

  23. Re:Slashdot and Drugs? by dporowski · · Score: 5, Funny

    Speaking as a slashdot reader, geek, and one who may have been known to--purely hypothetically speaking, of course--indulge in an occasional bit of recreational chemistry... (Though violently allergic to cannabis, it seems.)

    Cannabis "culture" can f*ck right off. So can "psychedelic culture".

    Feel free to use them. Some of it's REALLY fun. A lot. Repeatedly. I approve. (Assuming one is aware of the potential risks, etc.)

    However, "psychedelic music" makes me itch, patchouli makes me gag, if I never see a dirty set of half-assed dreads on a white suburban boy again I'll be ecstatic, candy-ravers should have their own hunting season, and drum circles make me wish I owned a HMV so I could re-enact that line from Conan where he says "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women." Vroom.

    Sorry. I find it indefensible. It's as if I tried to create "beer culture" or "vodka culture" or maybe "swiss cheese culture" and pass it off as a valid lifestyle choice. Not to mention it spoils it for everyone who may want to try the substance in question but just can't stand the people who DO it.

    Treat it like having a beer after work, y'know? Don't call it a "lifestyle" or a "culture" and then proceed to fail your hygiene check. I'm all down with being able to ingest whatever makes you happy. Have fun, just make sure to get the good stuff.

    (And stop HUGGING ME! STOP! BAD TOUCH!)

  24. LSD vs. Lucid Dreaming by localman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if anyone who has done LSD has also had experience with lucid dreaming? I have experimented to some degree with lucid dreaming, and after discussing acid trips with friends who've had them, I kind of theorize that LSD is very similar dreaming while awake.

    I'm 30 and I haven't tried LSD. It's not likely that I will, but I don't think it's wrong or particularly dangerous. It's possible I'd try it at some point if I got exceedingly bored with other means of exploring conciousness.

    But for now when I get the inclination for some exploration of conciousness, I just crack out the dream journal and go from there. I guess I think of LSD as cheating a bit. Like steroids or something.

    Of course, someone with experience with both might feel differently.

    Cheers.

    1. Re:LSD vs. Lucid Dreaming by simetra · · Score: 2, Informative
      I used to take LSD but haven't in many years. I have been Lucid Dreaming quite a bit in the last few years. They're nothing alike.

      Lucid Dreaming is just knowing that you're in a dream, and doing whatever you want. You know it's a dream, you know there are no consequences. It's like playing a video game. You can stop playing and go about your life.

      LSD completely alters your perceptions and how you think - or how you interpret your thought. You're committed to the experience. You can't just walk out.

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    2. Re:LSD vs. Lucid Dreaming by Rhone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My experience is somewhat similar to yours. I've had many lucid dreams (though none recently... maybe _I_ should whip out the dream journal soon), and I've also had what I believe were real out-of-body experiences. I've had some other spiritual experiences that went along with all that.

      I suspect that LSD does put your mind basically in a waking dream state. I suspect that, on a chemical level, it flips whatever switch that normally keeps your dream hallucinations off while you're awake. I haven't tried LSD, though, so I can't compare the actual experience to lucid dreaming.

      Like you, I feel like taking drugs for that kind of experience is cheating. (No offense to anyone who feels differently--that's a decision I make for myself and I don't judge others who decide differently.) Of course, I also very rarely drink caffeine (I figure something is seriously wrong with me if I have to _depend_ on a stimulant to function normally), likewise I don't drink alcohol and certainly wouldn't do it just to make socializing easier (if I'm being overly shy, then maybe that's something I need to work on instead of covering it up with chemicals), and when I need to drop a few pounds, I do it through eating healthy and exercising rather than popping stimulant-laced diet pills. Achieving goals through intelligent, persistant effort gives me a sense of accomplishment that would be seriously lacking if I had the goal handed to me by a drug.

      So, while I can't compare the actual experience of tripping on LSD with lucid dreaming (I suspect the primary difference is the "you're trapped in the altered state for a while" quality another responder mentioned), I _can_ compare the lasting effects on my personality and happiness that I've gained from my non-drug-induced altered states of consciousness, with what others have said here about what they've gained from having used LSD.

      And I find those lasting effects to be quite similar. People are talking about having gained new insights into themselves and the world, and overcoming significant personality flaws as a result of LSD experiences. I feel like I have had the same benefit from meditation (and other spiritual experiences) and a strong desire to improve myself and overcome my flaws. I went from very shy, anxious, unmotivated, and depressive to being very confident, motivated, and happy, in a relatively short period of time. My outlook on life and my place in it changed rather drastically. Most of that change happened in a relatively short period of time (a few months, perhaps).

  25. High on life by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's people with no actual LSD knowledge who hallucinate such side effects as memory loss, significant "flashbacks", and brainfry. There are tiny percentages of actual users who have experienced some of these effects, but they're traceable to repressed psychotic drives of people who foolishly take the drug, often out of a selfdestructive urge. Drugs aren't for everybody, but fearmongering is apparently less exclusive.

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  26. Re:Fear of mind altering drugs. by simetra · · Score: 2, Interesting
    - How do I ensure I'm getting the real thing?

    Short of watching them cook it in the lab, you don't know until you've eaten it. many times you just get strychnine. I believe LSD decays into strychnine too. If you get cramps, that's why.


    - What enviroment, music, people etc etc should I be in/with/etc.

    Something low-stress, relaxing, or whatever makes you happy. Whatever makes you happy now though won't necessarily make you happy on your trip.



    - If things go bad, what can others do to help me through it?

    Distract you, take your mind off of whatever's bugging you. The worst trips have nothing to do with scary visions, but more about warped thought-loops.


    - Any other pointers?

    Get a bottle of red wine, start drinking it right after you take the acid. It'll take the edge off and help you relax. Also, you can drink a lot while on acid. It's like it burns off the alcohol.

    Watch something funny. Silly stuff is insanely funny on acid. Weekend At Bernies, which I would normally never watch, totally had me crying when I watched it on acid. Letterman is hilarious on acid.

    You can take it alone if you're strong and don't rely on social interaction a lot in your life. Being an anti-social person to begin with, when I used to take it, I would do so alone most of the time. But if you're a little bunny-foo-foo who requires constant social reinforcement/validation, you may need to be with people so you don't freak out.

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  27. Re:Fear of mind altering drugs. by ktulu1115 · · Score: 4, Informative

    All of your questions (and more) can be answered right here. But I'll answer these ones directly:

    -Getting the real thing? Only an issue if you choose to do shrooms, potency varies *greatly* between patches. LSD is always returns consistant results. On the other hand, the fungus gets you about 6 hours total, while acid is 12.

    -Music/environment/people? Tough one. Complex subject. I personally like the following: Pink Floyd/outside in the woods (no one else around plus nature is a great setting)/1-2 other people max who are tripping with me as well

    -Things going bad? Always remember you have complete control of the situation. At times you might lose yourself (you will if it's a good/strong enough trip) but keep in mind you can change the way the trip is going at any time. If you feel funny and don't like something almost guaranteed one of three things will change it: Change the music, change the lighting, or go to the bathroom.

    Since you mentioned you have smoked before, I highly recommend doing so right after popping whatever substance you choose. It will make the voyage from reality much smoother and not quite as abrupt. It sorta smacks you hard and fast if you do it sober.

    Only other advice I can give is: "relax, don't panic and enjoy it". Try to take your mind off of what you just did after you eat them so you're not thinking about it all the time. I like to take my watch off and if you're out in nature, take a walk somewhere that will last at least 30 mins, preferably an hour (you'll start to feel it definately by then).

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  28. Re:Fear of mind altering drugs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    first time I've ever posted anonymously. Damn the police state.

    The most important piece of advice is to do it the first time with someone who's done it before, and someone you trust. This will make a _huge_ difference.

    The next most important thing is set things up beforehand so you will be as comfortable as possible:
    - have plenty of food and water
    - have a comfortable temperature
    - go to a private place where you can control who you're interacting with, and the police won't bother you.
    - don't be around people you don't like
    - avoid anything that's going to make you angry, scared, or just uneasy.

    You don't always notice when you're physically uncomfortable until you're _very_ uncomfortable, so a little planning (and maybe a sober person watching over you) is helpful. For example I've been cold and not noticed it, and wondered why I was shaking. You'll also be very ineffective at changing anything once you're tripping, so you want to have things ready beforehand.

    Later on you might enjoy situations that aren't easy and comfortable, but don't risk that the first time you try it.

    As for what music, what to do, etc., everyone likes different things. I like to wander around, but I also know people who will sit in the same spot for hours looking at things. Have a variety of things you think might be nice available, so when you're tripping you can try them.

    One thing I've noticed is that things that seem "trippy" when you're sober aren't at all when you're tripping. Pretty ordinary things are much more interesting when you're tripping. For visuals, things with a pattern, but not a perfect one, tend to be the best. Wood grain is always good.

    If things go bad, the best thing people can do to help is to make you feel as safe and comfortable as possible. That's why having someone you trust around is important, they will be the best at accomplishing this.

    One last tip:
    While you are tripping, do not talk to anyone that you don't want to know you're tripping. Unplugging the phone is a good idea.
    When you've done it before maybe you can bend this rule, but not the first time.

    There were some other posts that mentioned FAQs, so it would probably be good to check those out too.

    And have fun, it's really an incredible experience.

  29. My first trip... by Superfreaker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My first week at college in undergrad. All decked out in my preppy kahkis and docksiders, trying to fit in, some of the other frosh invited me to a Grateful Dead concert in Boston MA (Fall 1993).

    When I got there I was overwhelmed with sensory overload and I had not taken anything yet. My previous experience up to that point had been some high school binge drinking (think Mad Dog 20/20) and smoking pot a few times.

    One of my new friends scored some paper and he offered to me what looked like a corner of some construction paper, no bigger than what a hole punch would spit out. I didn't think anything like that could do much so I ate it.

    An hour later I'm running around like a mad man, still decked out in a polo shirt and kahkis. It was an awesome experience and from that moment on I felt everyone should do acid at least once in their lives.

    I haven't done it in a few years, but I hope to change that. A lot of stuff builds up in your brain, locked away that needs to be cleansed every once in a while. You may have to fight some deamons along teh way, but once its over, the next day the world is a beautiful new place.
    Happy travels!

  30. Ego death... by k31bang · · Score: 2, Funny

    You used to use LSD to experice Ego Death. But these days you get your job outsourced to india for the same effect.

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  31. Re:Fear of mind altering drugs. by davidkv · · Score: 2, Informative

    The LSD-Strychnine-thingie is a myth. As long as you go with blotter acid (LSD on a small sheet of paper), you can be quite sure it's not strychnine.

    Here are some links on this:
    Shulgin
    Strychnine in LSD

    Or just go to Erowid and search for Strychnine.

  32. Re:It's entirely possible to change without drugs by Pedrito · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You just "get high on life." I overcame my shyness problem with a similar sort of one-time experience, but it had nothing to do with drugs, but rather a group of friends who were all "tripping" on the same wavelength in an evening.

    Drugs have nothing to do with it. They're just crutches for people who don't have powerful enough imaginations.


    Since you posted as an AC, I probably shouldn't even respond, but others may feel the same, so maybe it deserves a response.

    I agree a drug for the purpose of overcoming shyness is certainly a crutch. That doesn't invalidate it. Taking Paxil to treat anxiety disorder is a crutch as well, but doctors prescribe it every day for precisely that purpose. In fact, taking almost any sort of drug for almost any sort of condition, is a crutch. Taking an aspirin for a headache is a crutch. Taking a multivitamin instead of eating a balanced diet with all the nutrients you need, is a crutch. So what?

    But let's get away from the analogy and go right to the source. People with broken legs use crutches. They don't have to. They could walk on their broken legs, endure the pain and live with the consequence which might be lifelong problems with their legs. Or they could stay laid up in bed until the leg heals.

    The point is, a crutch serves the primary purpose of expediting recovery/cure. So your point that it is a crutch is kind of meaningless.

    You had your particular experience and that's great that it worked for you, but can you tell me exactly how to reproduce that experience FOR ME! If you can, you should write a book, because shyness is a problem that affects millions of people and I'm sure it will make you rich.

    But I doubt you can, which is why your argument doesn't hold much water. Now, that said, I'm not advocating that shy people should go out and do LSD. In fact, in most cases, I'd counsel against it, but I think it's a personal choice each person should make based on their own needs, desires, and beliefs. Just as it should be their choice to take any other drug, prescribed or otherwise.

  33. Psychedelics by caryw · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hah! I'd expect to find this article on Smokedot but not here. But oh well, while there's an intelligent audience:
    LSD was huge in the 60's and 70's but has greatly diminished in recent years. This decline is due primarily to incredibly reduced availability on the black market. LSD is not easily produced, and the punishment for possession of even small amounts resulted in ridiculous amounts of jail time. Because of these factors youth these days hardly have the opportunity to influence their mind with LSD. This doesn't mean that kids these days don't trip, they've just found other ways. Some of the modern popular psychedelics are:

    5-MeO-DiPT (Foxy) - Similar to LSD with some of the "rolling" effects of MDMA (ecstacy)

    2C-I - A trippy phenethylamine

    5-MeO-AMT - Very potent tryptamine

    2C-T-2 - Very powerful hallucinogen
    What makes these "new" drugs so interesting is that many have not yet been scheduled by the DEA. Although a few on the list above were recently added to Schedule 1 by an emergency scheduling process. Unscheduled drugs are simply chemicals that can be legally possessed and sold and therefore are done so over the internet. A lot of modern "drug dealers" buy these chemicals cheap on the internet and sell them in their locality. A couple popular distributors are:

    Rac:Research

    LTK Research Products

    Omega Fine Chemicals
    Just to give you guys an idea of what kids are up to these days

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  34. Re:Slashdot and Drugs? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What a crock of flamebait.

    Just because you don't like a particular culture does not mean it is bad or dumb. Funny how geeks get so defensive when people criticize their culture but are so quick to assault others.

    Now, I personally don't enjoy "hippy music" or white boy rasta posers either. And having been a raver for some time, I get equally frustrated with the "e-puddles" that form on the middle of the dancefloor.

    However, that in no way gives me the right to pass judgement on them.

    They made their decisions, they are enjoying them, and that is what is important.

    Don't put others down just because you don't believe in the same things they do or don't like something they do. Different strokes for different folks.

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  35. Re:Slashdot and Drugs? by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 4, Informative


    That's interesting considering it's physically impossible to be allergic to marijuana

    Why is it impossible? Allergies are not caused by ANY danger in the allergen itself. Allergies are caused by your own body's immune system falsely labeling a particular thing as being dangerous when it really isn't. All the symptoms of an allergy are the same as the symptoms of a cold or flu bug - extra mucus production, coughing, raised temperatures, nausea, swelling etc - are all actually being caused by your OWN body. Those reactions are ways you fight off the foreign intruder. Your body chooses to raise the temperature, because your body is better able to survive the ordeal of being too hot than a lot of foriegn microbes are. Your body chooses to produce extra mucus, to trap the microbes at the source and keep them from passing into the lungs. Your body initiates nausea to try to expell the bad microbes from your stomach. etc, etc etc. All an allergy is, is your own body choosing to kick in those reactions in response to something that wasn't actually a threat after all, but it has a bad pattern-recognition that has "learned" incorrectly that a particular thing is bad for you, and that mistake is now stuck in your system and it won't undo it.

    So, sure, someone could be allergic to marijuana. People can be allergic to just about *anything* that enters the body through the air. Anything that gives off fumes, dust, or particles. This says nothing about the danger of the actual thing in question - just about the relative stupidity of the human immune system.

    The reason it's so hard to find ways to cure an allergy is that the cure is to alter your immune system, telling it, "Please cross off Foo from your list of big bad dangerous things you like to fight against. It was added by mistake." And we haven't found a way to do that without also crossing off *other* things from that list - things that it would be dangerous to cross off, like "the common cold".

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  36. LSD for programmers by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Informative

    The best book I've read about LSD was one of the first published: John C. Lilly's Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer. Lilly invented the isolation tank (known from the amusing, but fictional, Frankenstein movie _Altered States_), and wrote Meta/Programming while one of the USA's foremost clinical psychoanalysts, a study for the NIMH just prior to the political outlawing of legitimate LSD research. In it, Lilly totally nails LSD's role as noise in the neurotransmission system, incidentally offering seminal insight into the nascent field of cybernetics (when the most advanced computers were dumber than your watch). And it's a really short book, without all the fancy indulgence in sensory hallucinations and utopian speculation so common in the field.

    Try reading it - you might learn more not only about your self, but about your computer, and how similar you might one day become.

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    1. Re:LSD for programmers by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lilly's addiction to the completely different drug, ketamine, is no reflection on LSD's effects. Claiming it is sounds a lot like "reading Slashdot is bad because of the kiddy porn on the Internet". While many of the Slashdot posts *I* read seem written by some kind of burnout, claims of LSD's imagined danger require actual valid stats and unconflicted citations. The pervasive history of maligning LSD users with lies, from ignorance or vested opposing interests, makes this a case of outrageous claims requiring substantial evidence.

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  37. re: book. 5/10 by Rage+Maxis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Okay, I read the book (it only took an hour or less). I lived in the neighborhood the story describes for several years and am dating a korean girl. This made it a bit more interesting at first.

    This should have been 3 times as long. The plot is barely coherent at times, although the critical events are covered it is not as verbose as one might have liked. The characters are barely developed -- they are introduced and disappear.

    I found it to be more like a side-story xfiles episode, only with about 30 minutes of content. When I read a book I expect at least a 3 hour movie of development and content.

    5/10.

    ragemaxis

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  38. Re:life on high by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Occasional drug use does not of course equate to chronic drug use, any more than attending lectures equates to a career as grad student. If you ever get your courage together to try some helpful drug, you'll look back on your current black/white binary worldview as the chains which held you too long. Or maybe you'll just keep trying to "get used to life", without living it to the hilt. Your choice - just keep your distance from the rest of us dancing away whenever we please.

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  39. Read Stanislaw Grof's related works by eyepeepackets · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He was doing psychotheraputic research with LSD before the Feds decided the research was too dangerous to be continued: Seems there was a considerable loss to the world when this research was shutdown.

    Interesting fella, this Dr. Grof. He has a fine mind and doesn't mind sharing his thinking, whether purely speculative or simply scientific and so his other works are often worth reading as well.

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  40. Re:Slashdot and Drugs? by shostiru · · Score: 2, Informative
    There's more than one "drug culture". You and I may associate (or refuse to associate) with different crowds of stoners and psychedelic enthusiasts. Although there are exceptions, those I spend time with tend to be:
    • Intelligent and able to think logically and speak coherently. Obviously, this doesn't apply while intoxicated, but then I'm sure even Nobel Prize winners can turn into idiots when they're overindulged, and none of us have won a Nobel Prize yet.
    • Clean and well-groomed. Backwoods camping doesn't count (I'd like to see how you look after a few days in the woods), and I think one really ought to make allowances for festivals where shower facilities are limited or nonexistent (e.g., Burning Man. It's a fucking waste of water. Baby wipes only go so far in a dust storm).
    • Diverse in musical taste. Which can make for some long arguments when trying to choose trip music.

    But then, I tend to associate with people who view drugs as tools, means to an end rather than an end itself. Sometimes that end is fun, sometimes it's self-exploration, sometimes spirituality, sometimes social lubrication, but rarely is it just to be high or satisfy a craving (that's what caffeine is for dammit!)

    OK, so the drumming thing is true ... but have you ever been around a drum circle where the drummers actually know what they're doing? I've been to several (not as a drummer, I'm not that good!). Babatunde used to teach at my favorite summer festival and that made a huge difference. Drum circles are like any other team: experience matters.

    Oh, and I don't really do MDMA (didn't like it much ... left me dysphoric) so I don't see much of the random stranger hugging.

  41. Weed is hardly a brain enhancer by damm0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sorry to crash your party, dude, but smoking marijuana is not going to improve your brain in any way. Just because people have been consuming it for a millenia doesn't mean it gets the "safe as water" stamp.

    Also, a rave is not where you will find unbiased information on the safety of the popular drugs. I for one would be curious for you to describe how the drugs you take improve your life and mind.

  42. Re: Flashbacks by Commander+Trollco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So these flashbacks are mostly visual? Perhaps they might not be caused by the LSD use at all. I have never done any true hallucinogen, yet visual artifacts are quite common for me, and I would expect that everyone gets them. They are usually just an "under the radar" thing, mentally. It might be that the user now associates the mind-generated visuals with the LSD experience, and is more likely to notice the otherwise-ignored noise. Disclaimer: Pot/Caffeine user, has also used alcohol, nicotine, lack of sleep

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  43. Re:Slashdot and Drugs? by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 2, Funny

    That you're still a dirty, filthy hippie?

    It goes down past skin deep, my friend. You can't shower off your patchouli-stink.

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  44. LSD, Community, and Philosophy... by sgage · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you are interested in how these inter-relate, you might be amused by Art Kleps' account of the Millbrook experiment in the 60's. It is quite informative, and hilarious at times. He can be a bit self-serving (and down right catty) in his take on the various personalities of the time, especially Leary, but even that is hilarious. Warning: Kleps was a nihilistic solipsist. Check it out!

    http://okneoac.com/table.html

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