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Big Brother Awards for Privacy Invaders

Dozix007 writes "The Register reports that the shortlist for this year's Big Brother awards for nasty privacy invaders has been released. The awards include: Worst Public Servant, Most Invasive Company, Most Appalling Project, Most Heinous Government Organisation and Lifetime Menace Award - now renamed the David Blunkett Lifetime Menace Award. Pressure group Privacy International, which organises the awards, said it was overwhelmed by nominations for Blunkett, the Home Office and national ID cards but they had been recognised in previous years."

144 comments

  1. Re: slow news today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    FP? Seriously though, isn't logging and keeping track of mod points also an invasion of privacy?

  2. I didn't believe I could win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    But I'd like to thank my parents, George W. Bush, that Senator that beat me after he died, Bob Jones University, Muslims all over the world, and of course God, for making this possible!

    John Ashcroft

    1. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually Ashcroft was beaten by the WIDOW of the Governor who died.Although his name remained on the ballot the electorate voted knowing his wife was actually running.If it wasn't for the sympathy vote Ashcroft would be just a senator from Missouri and not your favorite Attorney General.

    2. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Hey, stupid - did you bother to read the article?

      These are BRITTISH AWARDS you stupid fuckhole.

    3. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually Ashcroft was beaten by the WIDOW of the Governor who died.Although his name remained on the ballot the electorate voted knowing his wife was actually running.

      Oddly enough, it still wasn't legal for the dead man's name to be on the ballots. To be on the ballot, one must be a resident of the state, to be a resident one must be alive.

      LK

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    4. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by Raul654 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The dead senator was Mel Carnahan. He was beaten by Mel's widow, Jean Carnahan (who IIRC decided not to seek reelection in the special election that followed).

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    5. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      and of course God, for making this possible! -- John Ashcroft

      1. It's a British site, so you're not nominated.

      2. Look up Matthew 25:12. I always get blamed for things I had nothing to do with....

      God

    6. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by dmaxwell · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well God this fellow is apparantly laboring under the delusion that he's one your boys. Hows about a lightning bolt or two to disabuse him of the notion? Nothing fatal mind you, just a "sign" that even he can't miss.

      If that doesn't work, those cartoon trapdoors that lead straight to the hotplace are pretty funny. Let him hover a second or two over it so the paprazzi can get a nice wild take shot.

      Ah just forget it. The devil would probably toss him back out the trapdoor for being a takeover risk.

    7. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by Julia+Cameron · · Score: 2, Funny
      • 1. It's a British site, so you're not nominated.

        2. Look up Matthew 25:12. I always get blamed for things I had nothing to do with....

        God

      Dear God,

      Stop whingeing. If you're really God, you're omnipotent and can do anything you want. Clearly, you're an underachiever.

      --
      Julia Cameron
      Oich ù agus hiùraibh éile
    8. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ha, spin it all you want. ashcroft was beaten by a dead guy. the dead guy received more votes. ashcroft will go down in history as the guy who lost to a dead guy. and oh yeah, as the one who started the US down the road of an orwellian world

    9. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hello Michael Moore.

      Spin has nothing to do with it. Ashcroft will go down in history as a guy who didn't do anything with the MS case or a person who had a hand in displacing and destroying civil liberties.

      He didn't start us down the road, you fool, we were headed down that road for a long time; 9/11 was an opportunity to push that agenda. Much as Congressmen didn't want to vote against the Patriot Act right after 9/11, people get caught up in the situation, and that was the case in the senate race Ashcroft was in.

      There are plenty of things which to ridicule Ashcroft for. Losing to "a dead guy" is not one of them.

      To ridicule him because he lost to a dead guy is petty and silly, because even those who dislike the guy realize the situation he was in. What was he going to do, attack his dead opponent in the last week of the race? An opponent that very likely got a good number of sympathy votes?

    10. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      Attacking the dead Governor wouldn't have anyhow. Missouri residents hated Asscroft with a vengenace. I live about 3 miles from the Missouri border at that time and had a number of co-workers from across the line. They related many a story I hadn't heard since I didn't keep up on Missouri news.

    11. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Matthew 25:12 - But he [a bridegroom in a story] replied, 'Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.'

      Nice copout, God. Spout some gibberish and pretend it's relevant. Typical!

      Deities these days.... tsk.

    12. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Considering Ashcroft's job, I'd say it's a fair place to complain.

      There IS a lot of moral bankruptcy going around. I wish I could deny it. The things that puzzle me are the reasonably moral people who still support what the US is doing. Most people who support the govt. seem to really believe that supporting it is the right and proper thing to do. They can't explain it in any way that makes sense to me, so there's no way I can attempt to explain it to you, but believe me, it's true. And I really DON'T understand it.

      Let's put it in more neutral terms. Suppose you have one person who fanatically claims that vi is the best editor, and another who just as fanatically claims that EMACS is best, and you let them address a group of programmers with relatively neutral opinions. I can with reasonable certainty predict that the group will fragment into two separate groups that are willing to debate furiosly, each defending his own choice. Now bring in someone from outside, and have them try to explain why that person should choose their favorite editor. They can't. They really can't. What has happened is that the emotional arguments of the original two people (and their diciples) have attached themselves to the arguments, and it's really an emotional belief.

      I think that's what's really happening. It takes a tremendous amount of cognitive dissonance to cause people to abandon beliefs that they have settled on. You don't abandon your faith just because you run into a few rough spots.

      Anyway, that's what I think's happening. I wish I knew of some way to ... and I can't even think of the kind of thing I would want. There are valid reasons that people evolved with more power attached to emotional arguments than to logical ones, and it would be dangerous to tamper with that. Besides, you just think you're being logical. Really you're doing a bunch of pattern matching against goal states that have been emotionally decided. Everyone always has emotional bindings at the root of every decision they make.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    13. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the moral superiority of, what, Europe? Who caused two world wars? Who has stood by and allowed Serbs, ethnic Albanians, and others to be slaughtered in their own back yard? Who seems to think that Islamic terrorism is all in our heads even while being attacked by it? When it comes to a moral superior country, the US may not be it, but it sure as hell isn't France, England, Spain, Italy, Germany, Russia, etc.

    14. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice straw man rant. No-one said anything about superiority, son, so chill out. Your inferiority complex is showing.

    15. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by NuclearDog · · Score: 1

      "Let's put it in more neutral terms. Suppose you have one person who fanatically claims that vi is the best editor, and another who just as fanatically claims that EMACS is best [...]"

      Only on Slashdot...

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    16. Re:I didn't believe I could win! by Glamdrlng · · Score: 1
      There are plenty of things which to ridicule Ashcroft for. Losing to "a dead guy" is not one of them.
      Nope, but not dancing at his own wedding certainly is.
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  3. Website, Awards and Justice by mfh · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is the website for The 2004 UK Big Brother Awards, for those of you who want to skip over that puny Register article. My thoughts on this subject is that it's a great idea to shine a huge spotlight on those who would infringe upon privacy, to give them a taste of their own medicine. Of course I don't condone tapping their phones, blackmailing the execs or sending boxes of poo to their doors (like on Six Feet Under's recent arc). This award show will do just fine, in an almost biblical manner of sinning the sinner.

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    1. Re:Website, Awards and Justice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Puny Register article

      If I see something mentioned in three lines here (something of a masterpeice at Slashdot) I go to the Register to read the full story. Slashdot seems rarely to carry articles -- the "reporters" seem to post teasers instead and litter the text with links so you can do your own research.

      /me wonders if he can wrap a metaphor around this style of reporting and the wider Linux/Windows user methodology...

      -TuxedoJim

  4. I know... by Zorak+Man · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure MS will be on that list. They managed to get an OS on my computer that I didn't want.

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    1. Re:I know... by antic · · Score: 1

      What about Gilette? I read an article saying that they were using small cameras on store shelves and RFID tags in their products to take photos of people who picked up one of their products.

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      'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'
  5. We Need One of These for the USA by burdicda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Where is the US equivilent ????

    1. Re:We Need One of These for the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The US equivalent is here:
      http://www.privacyinternational.org/bigbrot her/us2 004/

    2. Re:We Need One of These for the USA by sirdude · · Score: 3, Informative
      It's called a hy-per-link... :P

      Bigbrother USA 2004

    3. Re:We Need One of These for the USA by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 1
      This page is great! Quest Communications for placing everyone in telemarketer hell and oppsing laws on keeping phone records private.

      Telemarketer Hell? Thats probably hotter than jay walker's hell but cooler than spamer's hell.

  6. Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is for the UK only.

    "Simon Davies, director of Privacy International, said: "The nominations reflect a broad and intensified assault on the right to privacy in the UK. There is a clear hostility within government to privacy and a general antagonism to it from within business. We have seen few instances where privacy has been genuinely respected by large organisations."

  7. Privacy in the UK? by 7Ghent · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I find it rather laughable that they even consider corporate privacy in a state where cameras track your every move and there's no legal guarantee of any kind of privacy at all. I mean, fuck- Britons live in Orwell's 1984 made flesh.

    1. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Spad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They hardly track my every move - they're primarily used after the fact to identify people or to follow people attempting to evade the police.

      They're all in public places, I have no expectation of privacy in a public place and I'm not committing any offences, it really doesn't bother me.

      The nation ID card, OTOH, is a minor problem for the government - at last count almost 80% of population were against them and 30% said that they would go to prison rather than carry the card (Numbers subject to statistics).

    2. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I've lived in both the US and the UK. Hate to tell you, but despite the excessive amount of security cameras in public, you guys still come out number one when it comes to repression.

    3. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Spad · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And really, how the fuck is the grandparent comment Insightful?

      Stereotyped - probably, Flamebait - yes, but Insightful - barely.

    4. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Dude, you have to pay a television tax. People go around with antennaes in hand and vans to observe what households have televisions running and whether or not they've paid their television tax.

      You guys have cameras observing you every second that you're outside your home. Regardless of your justification, that's just wrong.

      And you guys are worried about a national ID card? Jesus.. a bit schizophrenic, eh?

    5. Re:Privacy in the UK? by hattig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As someone who has been attacked viciously in the UK under the gaze of CCTV, and the CCTV footage being instrumental in getting the offenders locked up, I can't say I mind CCTV.

      What I'd mind is if it was used proactively, e.g., for tracking people without their knowledge using face recognition systems. I believe a person has the right to go about their day without being tracked and logged in databases "Citizen #45932842 logged at Market Square 8:23:23" and so on.

    6. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Dude, you have to pay a television tax. People go around with antennaes in hand and vans to observe what households have televisions running and whether or not they've paid their television tax. ...in exchange for which they get television which (hold on to your hat here) **doesn't suck**.

    7. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No. They don't have vans and shit, that is just scare tactics.

      What they do is monitor who buys TVs, and if someone buys a new TV that doesn't have a TV license, they pay them a visit. I know I had to give my name and address when I bought my TV and that was for TV licensing purposes (it isn't a tax, more like a mandatory TV subscription, the price isn't that bad now with several channels and radio stations, as well as the website and interactive stuff being paid by the fee, but 10 years ago the BBC was really badly managed financially).

      For that, we get advert-free television that is meant to be politically unbiased. It doesn't have any pressures from advertisers at least. OTOH it sucks when you want to have a piss and there are no ad breaks.

      The cameras aren't observing *me*. Yet. And they are only in city centres and shopping centres for the main part.

    8. Re:Privacy in the UK? by thumperward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If by "your every move" you mean "your every move in busy urban areas" you'd be half-right. This is, of course, nothing like 1984.

      There is overwhelming public support for cameras in city centres. As a nation of Crimewatch viewers, Brits see cameras (rightly) as aiding their safety rather than as an evil gummit mind-control scheme.

      Seriously, there's nothing like misplaced ideology to mess up a country's administration. An absolute right to privacy in public is every bit as bad for the general public as the police state is.

      - Chris

    9. Re:Privacy in the UK? by tanguyr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There was a pretty interesting bit on the BBC ("car wars" i think) that showed how london police cars are fitted with cameras that automatically scan car registrations and will notify the PC if it spots a vehicle with either outstanding tickets or no insurance. Despite some false positives, it seemed to work pretty well.

      CCTV raised a lot of concerns when it was first rolled out, but now that it's here people seem to have accepted it - even more, people seem to appreciate it given the added sense of security and the positive effect on violent crime rates. Still, before we all get all warm and cuddly, we should remember that, at the end of the day, it's a system for surveillance of the general public. Just because the people jogging the joystick today aren't abusing it (it even caught that shocking bit of police brutality in Manchester a while back) doesn't mean the next bunch won't.

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    10. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They're all in public places, I have no expectation of privacy in a public place and I'm not committing any offences, it really doesn't bother me.

      It's a question of scale. Yes, a police officer could have investigated you a century ago by following you through public streets. Would you be comfortable with a separate police officer assigned to every citizen, following you every day from the moment you leave your home?

      That's the scale we're talking about now; there is no similar limitation of policing resources, so everyone who passes within the cameras' view is monitored -- for whatever purpose those with camera record access decide.

    11. Re:Privacy in the UK? by finkployd · · Score: 1

      they're primarily used after the fact to identify people or to follow people attempting to evade the police.


      And you know that this is their primary use because........the government told you so? I'm no conspiracy theorist, but that is awfully trusting. Do you suppose they would tell you if they used those cameras for any non-after-the-fact use?

      Finkployd

    12. Re:Privacy in the UK? by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Funny
      Britons live in Orwell's 1984 made flesh.

      Now, come on... Britain in 1984 was not only a privacy-free surveillance state, it was completely cut off from the rest of Europe and locked into a destructive alliance with the United States. You're exaggerating things enormously here.

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    13. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yeah, because it's not like they don't package up lots of public video from the UK and make television shows out of them wherein private UK citizens are shown throughout the world doing things in which they were recorded... so much for privacy when Discovery or FOX makes a two hour television special featuring videos from your government public surveillance cameras.

    14. Re:Privacy in the UK? by flibuste · · Score: 3, Insightful

      France have had personal ID cards for years and really, I don't see where it is a privacy problem.
      Moreover, it proved so much useful (sic!) that it is no longer mandatory and is now replaced by the use of passeports, which are not mandatory to have, unless you want to travel outside the country.
      In North-America, people use your driving license as an ID card. So can somebody explain why having ID cards is a problem in the first place, whatever kind of ID it is?

    15. Re:Privacy in the UK? by mhifoe · · Score: 1

      As well as annoying people who buy TVs, they send letters and pretend policemen to every address which doesn't have a TV licence. They often send letters to addresses which don't even exist.

      At work we have received licence demands for the following:
      A car park
      An orchard
      A barn
      A storage cupboard

    16. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      There are two major problems:

      1) It is actually a tax - they intend to charge every man, woman and child in the country $100 for a compulsory card, and presumably another $100 if you lose it (My friend had to pay $50 for a new driving licence when hers was stolen)

      2) Every criminal in the country will have any number of fake ones, but legit people will be harassed because they left the only one they have in their other handbag/wallet/why.

      The biggest benefit is that the unemployment problem will be solved by everyone jumping on the forgery bandwaagon.

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    17. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      If you have been hit by an uninsured driver, you will gladly put up with it.

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    18. Re:Privacy in the UK? by bentcd · · Score: 1

      ... everyone who passes within the cameras' view is monitored ...

      Not for any meaningful definition of "monitored". While I agree they _could_ monitor every single person that appears on the camera, it is currently not feasible to pull off such a feat. It would require massive amounts of manpower (on such a scale as to totally dwarf DDR's STASI I would think) or else it would require computer algorithms that we simply do not have yet.

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    19. Re:Privacy in the UK? by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "They [CCTV cameras] hardly track my every move - they're primarily used after the fact to identify people or to follow people attempting to evade the police."

      To identify thieves, and then completely ignore them, in the usual manner of UK police. (yes I've got clear CCTV footage of a theft including peoples' faces, no nothing was ever investigated)

      And no, they don't track your every move unless you happen to be interesting|drunken|funny enough that they'll film you and show it on national television for a laugh! Turn to ITV any weekday evening for yet more CCTV footage of people you know walking down the street.

    20. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's true to a large degree, but the cameras are not just real-time views requiring constant viewers; they're recording the scenes for review at any time. Additionally, there is plenty of effort being devoted to such algorithms.

      It's not unlikely in the very near future to see the system generating pathways of movement over time, linked to individual identifiers, tracked from camera to camera and purchase to purchase. The purchase-to-purchase tracking is already trivial to implement.

    21. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Timmmm · · Score: 2, Funny

      And letting big brother monitor everything you do in return for good programming

      That doesn't remotely make sense. And besides, big brother is a Channel 4 programme - they don't get any of the TV liscence money.

    22. Re:Privacy in the UK? by jujuchef · · Score: 1

      As a yank living in the southwest UK, I can say I have indeed seen the antenna vans. After one month of moving in we got a visit from the 'van man'. The interesting thing is that they knew whether we were receiving a black and white picture, a color picture, or a digital picture to our TV. Ya can't find that information by employing random scare tactics. Any amateur radio folks out there that can explain this?

      The advert free television is on two channels (5 or so if you have Freeview). On the upside I love teletext, which for most americans may seem strange, but you get interactive news weather etc from your aerial television.

      Databases are extensive and becoming worse here. You now get a 100 fine for not paying your car tax on time. The nice thing, it's all mailed to you! JOY!

      Here if you want someone's privacy shredded, drop an anon tip that they're committing benefit fraud. Then watch a law abiding UK citizen get spied on and followed by their government. Since most people are on some sort of benefit/tax credit, that's the majority of the population...

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    23. Re:Privacy in the UK? by zaphod_es · · Score: 1

      In the UK you are covered for being injured or killed by an uninsured driver Motor Insurers Bureau Of course we are all dangerous commies :)

    24. Re:Privacy in the UK? by dizzyduck · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and Big Brother sucks (except for BB3, that was good).

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    25. Re:Privacy in the UK? by perlchild · · Score: 1

      And because the situation is bad, they can't identify the problems, ridicule them, and perhaps, within the next century actually fix one or two?
      If you aren't part of the solution, you're usually on the problem side.

    26. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Freeview"? "Teletext"?

      Sounds like Newspeak to me. Quick, man, get out while you can: "oldthink yank to miniluv doubleplusquick"

    27. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Archibald+Buttle · · Score: 1

      Yes, the K means Kingdom, although right now it's a Queendom. :-)

      However this notion of "some crazy old persion decides" simply is wrong. "Modern" democratic monarchies aren't like that.

      Seriously dude, the Queen in the UK has basically nothing to do with running the country. This has been the case for longer than the USA has been in existence. She's also got nothing to do with running the other countries she's Queen of, which includes Australia, Canada, and India. If you understood anything about the British monarchy you'd get this.

      Now there are plenty of examples of crazy old people running countries that aren't monarchies, and this is IMHO much more worrying. The UK did indeed have a King that was quite mad in the not too distant past (well, 200 years ago). However he had essentially no influence over the running of the country.

      In contrast in much more recent years (less than 20 years back) at least one major power had a president who it is understood suffered from Alzheimers disease. And today there is a president who can't understand the logical falacy in the statement "you're either for us or against us". Then again almost the whole country that voted for that dullard (or failed to vote against him) doesn't seem to understand that falacy either.

    28. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Long-EZ · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I've noticed a lot of UK citizens are not bothered by the massive amount of government surveilance. They offer the same reasons that I've heard in the US. "The cameras are in public places where there is no expectation of privacy." "I'm not doing anything wrong, so I'm not worried about it." "We all feel safer with the government watching everyone." "Crime rates decrease."

      But nobody seems to realize it's a slippery slope, or at least nobody is talking about it. Governments, by their very nature, become more powerful and subsume the rights of individual citizens. Did it occur to you that your government decided they wanted mandatory national ID cards with biometric data after everyone so easily rolled over on the issue of nearly constant surveilance?

      An equilibrium will be established between people's demand for individual rights and people's acquiescence of those rights under the (usually mistaken) belief that they will be more secure. The UK citizens have given up more rights than US citizens, but we're on the same path. The US Supreme Court recently decided that citizens can be required to identify themselves when asked by police officers, which reminds me of old movies with Nazis demanding, "Your papers please." Cameras are an increasing part of everyday life in the US. Not so much at the government level, although many urban intersections have cameras spying on us, nominally under the guise of traffic enforcement. But many businesses large and small are installing cameras that not only record images from the business property, but also in the public and private areas in the vicinity.

      I value my privacy, and I resent the invasion of it. I DO have some expectation that I can walk down the street without my every move being recorded. And yes, I'm willing to surrender some degree of security, either real or imagined, for that modicum of privacy. I do NOT believe the government has the right to spy on me, simply because I'm not doing anything wrong. Universal surveilance seems to be based on the presumption of guilt. Why else would the government watch everybody, unless it's to catch the citizens whom it presumes to be guilty?

      Crime has many complex social causes. It cannot be cured by restricting people's rights. At every point, the goverment assures the citizens, "If you just give up one more right, we'll make you safe." As soon as the citizens accept the loss of that right, there is the government asking for another. "If everyone would carry national ID cards with biometric data.... If only we had a national DNA database.... If only all citizens took government supplied mind control drugs...."

      If fear of a criminal element is the lever used by government to obtain power from the people, why would anyone think the government will ultimately be successful in reducing crime? In the US, crime rates are highest in the areas where rights are restricted the most. Whether crime or the loss of rights came first is a subject of intense debate, but the correlation between crime and the loss of individual rights is not seriously debated by anyone. I think in most cases, a breakdown in the social fabric resulted in crime, then the government used people's fear of crime to restrict citizen's rights. But the loss of rights has certainly not resulted in lower crime rates. In many cases, the loss of some rights have resulted in a documented and obvious INCREASE in crime.

      You want less crime? Invest in education and a fair and prosperous economy, then wait a generation. Short term fixes like registering citizens, heavy surveilance, and the general loss of rights are not the answer.

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    29. Re:Privacy in the UK? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      No, we've ALWAYS been at war with Oceania.

    30. Re:Privacy in the UK? by TiggsPanther · · Score: 1

      I think the main problem is they way the UK Government want to go about implementing the things.

      Firstly although compulsary, I bet it wouldn't be the government who pay for it. I can just about stomach some sort of compulsary ID, but I draw the line at having to pay for yet another thing you have no choice in.

      Secondly it's the privacy issues. Personally I quite like the idea of one solitary ID card being absolute proof of ID, rather than the current slew of various options, not all of which are accepted for everything. However, I'm rather less enamoured of the idea of it also containing biometric data and potentially containing tracking data.
      Oh, and there's a fine line between something you "have to own" and something you "have to carry at all times", and I know which one any government would eventually tend towards.

      Thirdly there are rumours (no idea if they're true or not) that they'd have some sort of RFID component. Card-fan or not, that's something I'd be dead-set against. But I also get the feeling that full specs wouldn't be released until after they've been made mandatory, if at all.

      The main problem is that they've taken a potentially good but very controversial idea and then added some modifiers that make it less acceptable for those who would have supported it otherwise.
      A tricky-to-forge ("impossible" is an aim they're not going to meet) absolute proof of identity that could be accepted in all situations is a good idea. A mandatory card with biometric data and the potential equivalent of "tracking cookies" is not.

      That said, it wouldn't be the first time that a government has taken an idea with potential and ruined it by making it less (rather than more) palatable. And I doubt it's be the last time, either.

      Tiggs
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    31. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the TV show "Big Brother".

      Which is a Channel 4 show.

      Are You Being Served? Coupling? Ms. Buckett?

      Wow, a whole three shows out of four decades worth of programming?! Only comedy shows, at that. You sure showed us!

      Lets see if I can come up with three shows:

      Only Fools and Horses, The Office, Monty Python.

    32. Re:Privacy in the UK? by doshell · · Score: 1

      I mean, fuck- Britons live in Orwell's 1984 made flesh.

      Have you actually read 1984 in order to make such a risky remark?

      I have, and at least IMHO 1984 is much worse than anything we have now anywhere in the world. But rest not - judging by the current threats on civil liberties, it likely won't take long till we have Miniluv and all the other stuff.

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    33. Re:Privacy in the UK? by julesh · · Score: 1

      ondon police cars are fitted with cameras that automatically scan car registrations and will notify the PC if it spots a vehicle with either outstanding tickets or no insurance

      They might tell you this, but this is actually impossible as there is no existent database that lists all insured vehicles. There cannot be, as "drive any vehicle" insurance is available, and you then don't have to notify them of the registration details of any vehicles you drive but do not own yourself.

    34. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes - I'm certain that I'll be a happy camper, when I lie there, dying, blood oozing out of my head, that it doesn't matter, that I was killed by an UNinsured driver rather than an insured driver.

      My next of kin might care, but personally I think I'd prefer not being killed.

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    35. Re:Privacy in the UK? by tanguyr · · Score: 1

      Sorry, my mistake - it was to check if the car tax had been paid. I couldn't find a link to the episode's information, but i did find this, which might be of interest.

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    36. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      France also has a TV tax which pays for a few channels, including the very nice franco/german Arte and a bunch of nice and (gasp) *interesting* radios.

      This means that in exchange for a very modest fee (116 ), you get a chance to turn your TV on and not see any reality TV, not be interrupted by ads every half hour (we're not yet at once every 12 minutes like in the US but we'll probably soon be), we get to listen to something else than decerebtrated DJ's playing the latest pop on the radio, etc.

      This is a market where a for profit model doesn't work. Because there is no profit to be made with this type of programming. Or rather there is way more profit to be made by producing and airing Big Brother or American Idol. And shareholders will of course ask for more profit.

      Unfortunately the new EU contitution imposes a "perfectly free market" (don't ask me what this kind of thing does in a constitutional text) which means that state run media outlet will be illegal if the constutution is adopted (they are subsided and therefore a heresy in a free market).

      Ah well, it was nice while it lasted.

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    37. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Well, I just looked it up on the French government sites here to make sure I wasn't speaking out of my ass and the situation here is :
      - id card is free
      - id card isn't compulsory (I thought it was)
      - id card is secured, valid for 10 years
      - id card can be used to travel to some countries (couldn't find a list)
      - an id card older than 10 years can still be used as proof of id as long as the photo still looks like you
      - id cards are normally delivered on the spot if you have the right paperwork (ymmv depending on where you do the paperwork)

      And for passports :

      - a fee of 60 is charged (30 for a 6 months limited version)
      - validity is 10 years
      - passport is secured
      - delivery is on the spot (if you have all the papers, yadda yadda)

      I know I only have a very old id card that dates back to when I was 10 or 12 I think and have always used my passport for id (even though it isn't legally an id document). The only people who really want to see some id (besides the police when they catch me inching past a red light on my bicycle) are shops/restaurants when you pay by check.

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    38. Re:Privacy in the UK? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      mod++

      This goes for terrorism too btw.

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    39. Re:Privacy in the UK? by NuclearDog · · Score: 1

      "And yes, I'm willing to surrender some degree of security, either real or imagined, for that modicum of privacy."

      So what? The government says "We're putting cameras up, it'll make the city safer." The majority of people will be pleased with this. The government doesn't care if you don't like it, it's the majority they care about.

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  8. Spoilt for choice... by eamacnaghten · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The judges are simply spoilt for choice here. It would cost a fortune to manufacture the number of awards needed...

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  9. Just a thought... by Munelight · · Score: 5, Funny

    "If you are interested in attending the awards you need to register at UKBBA@privacy.org"

    I wonder if you have to give them your real name. :)

    1. Re:Just a thought... by tanguyr · · Score: 1

      Row after row after row of name tags: "Hi, I'm John Smith". Not to mention all the tin foil hats at the coat check.

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    2. Re:Just a thought... by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      Great, a bunch of people enter the convention center and get ready to sit down:

      This seat reserved for: Richard Cranium

      "Hey, you're in my seat!"

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  10. Spread them around! by JohnFromCanada · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had never heard of this list however the more publicity it sees the more awareness it raises. It is very interesting and I am not currently using any products from any of the mentioned companies and will now know to avoid them in the future. If more lists like this were in the popular media, companies would be at least held a little more accountable for there actions by those customers who care about such issues and do not have the time to gather the information about them elsewhere.

  11. The Title by Zorilla · · Score: 3, Funny

    News Article Title: Big Brother Awards for Privacy Invaders

    What's wrong with this title, people?

    "Hello, Big Brother? I'd like to report YOU! Oh, hang on, there's somebody at my door."

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  12. whois david_blunkett by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    David Blunkett. British politician, now in charge of Homeland Security for the U.K. I'm sure that in spirit it would be translated to the "John Ashcroft Lifetime Award" for U.Sians, but the position Blunkett holds is probably more akin to Tom Ridge's.

    1. Re:whois david_blunkett by MancDiceman · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, not quite. He's in charge of the Home Office. The Home Office is not like "Homeland Security". It's much, much, MUCH bigger than that. Homeland Security is basically the equivalent of MI5/Special Branch which whilst coming under the juridstciotn of the Home Office is tiny in comparison to the rest of the organisation.

      Think of it this way - you have lots of functions that are carried out by various ministries - the MoD looks after Defence, the Foreign Office sorts out diplomatic affairs (and intelligence agencies), Dept of Health looks after the NHS, etc., etc.

      Anything that is left over, goes to the Home Office. This includes all law enforcement (at all levels), part stake in MI5, and anything else nobody else is prepared to take responsibility for. It is a MASSIVE department, dwarfing every other UK government department.

      Blunkett, whilst in charge of the Home Office has introduced some interesting laws. Nearly all of them specifically remove civil liberties from the UK citizen, and he has announced an ID card that will eventually replace driver's licenses, passports, etc. and will carry biometric data. A corresponding matchup of the data is held on government computers, it's use is ill-defined, in short, it's a hideous idea that is being lobbied for by a company that stands to make a lot of money out of it.

    2. Re:whois david_blunkett by uncommonlygood · · Score: 2, Informative

      David Blunkett. British politician, now in charge of Homeland Security for the U.K. I'm sure that in spirit it would be translated to the "John Ashcroft Lifetime Award" for U.Sians, but the position Blunkett holds is probably more akin to Tom Ridge's.

      David Blunkett isn't quite John Ashcroft's opposite number (he's Home Secretary, as opposed to Attorney General). However, he does sometimes seem to think he's a judge.

      The reason Blunkett is recognised by this award is that he's trying to introduce a compulsory ID card scheme in the UK, which isn't very popular. He's also full of other gaffes, like he forcibly sacked the head of a police force because two girls were killed "on his watch" as it were. Even though the police force and the father of one of the girls opposed him.

  13. list of co's/orgs that sell your info to marketers by scupper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to see an annual list of organizations, companies, banks, utilities that sell your address and phone numer to marketers. I expect if I sign up for a "club card" at Safeway or some other retailer, that my info is potentially up for grabs, but when I signed up with Sierra Club, my junk mail exponentially grew, and I OPTED OUT!! of the sharing info option. I think they probably kill more trees than they save. I've received 3 renewal notices from them since February of this year, and my membership expires in August!

  14. John Oates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess he isn't too busy with his other job.

    http://www.hallandoates.com/ :-)

  15. Most Invasive Company - LloydsTSB ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The bank insists "that customers report to a branch with documents to prove their identities".

    The article does not explain under what circumstances the bank requires this, perhaps to open an account.

    So why is this invasive? Would the judges rather have the bank naively believe anything a potential con-artist tells them over the phone?

    In this age of identity theft, this might be a bank to consider. Apparently, they take a persons true identity seriously.

    1. Re:Most Invasive Company - LloydsTSB ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Details here. They were trying to freeze the money of an existing customer which by law he is entitled to on demand.

    2. Re:Most Invasive Company - LloydsTSB ? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      The bank insists "that customers report to a branch with documents to prove their identities".

      The article does not explain under what circumstances the bank requires this, perhaps to open an account.

      Well, let's analyze it just based on the words used. People who haven't opened an account yet aren't "customers" of the bank until they've opened an account, and demanding that new account applicants provide ID is hardly something that'd qualify for a "most invasive company" award. To judge by the wording, it sounds as if Lloyds TSB sent letters to all its customers demanding that they show up in person to a bank branch and produce ID. This is pretty obnoxious behavior.

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    3. Re:Most Invasive Company - LloydsTSB ? by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 1

      That's an easy one. If my bank did that, I'd show up, produce the ID, then proceed to close the account(s).

    4. Re:Most Invasive Company - LloydsTSB ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to work for Lloyds TSB, in several areas of business.

      I've never held a Lloyds bank account, I have one with barclays, and ANY bank is going to ask you for information. While I was working there do you have an idea how many times I was drilled about money laundering? If you didn't have to provide any sort of identification, proof of address etc not only would they no long have a means to send you your bank statements and whatnot, they'd then also have little in the ways of tracking down money launders.

      In all my time working there I'd never seen any sort of privacy infringing use of information whatsoever. TSB as a finanical service are required to keep very strict tabs on the data they keep, and what they do with it. Infact, under the data protection act, you can even call up and ask them directly for ANY AND ALL information about yourself. Employees aren't even allowed to put notes like 'this guy is an annoying twat' on file. That's silly, but it's an example. The Data Protection Act (Which all employees of Lloyds TSB have to restudy ANNUALLY) has a very strong influence on big banks. Just like it does for solicitors and doctors. You would see neither of those sharing your information.

      Infact, I fail to see how LloydsTSB is even on that list.

      I don't work for them anymore. But I don't hate em either.

    5. Re:Most Invasive Company - LloydsTSB ? by Daemonic · · Score: 1
      The article does not explain under what circumstances the bank requires this, perhaps to open an account.

      A friend of mine was a Lloyds customer for many years. He says this:

      Lloyds asked me to provide two pieces of personal identification. They gave me two lists, and I had to provide one item from each list. They said that they had to confirm my identity, to meet requirements of the FSA.

      I rang the FSA.

      They said that they only require this if I am suspected of being a Criminal pursuing either fraud or money laundering.

      I contacted Lloyds, who denied this. They said that they were checking all their customers. I said thatI didn't know of any other customers that were being checked, and made a bit of a scene in the Bank Branch.

      I refused to show the ID requested and challenged them as to what they would do next. They said "Nothing". They didn't want any bad publicity.

      So I told them to cancel my mortgage and all my accounts.

    6. Re:Most Invasive Company - LloydsTSB ? by Handpaper · · Score: 1
      Ad on that page for....LloydsTSB Current Accounts.
      Oh, the irony.

  16. Uh... RTFA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Ashcroft is not mentioned.

  17. Sierra Club =Watermelon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Green on the outide RED on the inside.
    Oh Yeah "Build the Road!" NO Wilderness!
    The roiad through GSMNP of course.

  18. Ok, one question ... by spellraiser · · Score: 4, Funny

    Contenders for Worst Public Servant are Margaret Hodge for her support for a database of children and "good behaviour" orders for children as young as eight.

    So, how come Santa Claus is not on the shortlist? Let's put that #1 record keeper in the world on a list for a change. Let's see how he likes the taste of his own medicine!

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    1. Re:Ok, one question ... by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because he gives bribes to everybody he monitors.

    2. Re:Ok, one question ... by EvanED · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Ok, one question ... by cybermage · · Score: 2, Informative

      Only the nice ones, of course.

    4. Re:Ok, one question ... by bfg9000 · · Score: 1

      Like Echelon, Carnivore, and Area-51, Santa Claus DOES NOT EXIST.

      Publicly proclaiming his existence is a violation of federal law and is punishable by something weally weally baddd.

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    5. Re:Ok, one question ... by nuklearfusion · · Score: 1
      Like Echelon, Carnivore, and Area-51, Santa Claus DOES NOT EXIST.

      Actually, Area-51 DOES exist. The goverment even admitted it. however, it was only a weapons testing facility.

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    6. Re:Ok, one question ... by DA-MAN · · Score: 1

      Santa Claus DOES NOT EXIST.

      Actually he does exist, and based on comments from Linus Torvalds. . . Santa Claus is one hell of a coder!

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  19. Re:list of co's/orgs that sell your info to market by maximilln · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did you check the option to opt-out of the list of opt-out people? Did you check the list to mark your information as inherited opt-out? You know, if you give your info to the marketing division, they might share it with the collections division, who might share it with the membership division, and somewhere along the line the "private" bit on your data didn't line up in the database, and someone in the corporate affairs insurance services division closes a deal on 50,000 new leads. :)

    I've always been suspicious of that opt-out crap, too. Like all the spam mail that says "click here to be (re)moved from the list". Removed from one list, added to another.

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  20. Your mistake: by gr3y · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Never give a charity with no purpose your address.

    I once gave my address to The March of Dimes Foundation, but that was a mistake.

    At present, the only charity with my current address is the local NPR affiliate, and they haven't abused it to my knowledge.

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    1. Re:Your mistake: by scupper · · Score: 1

      Well, locally, the Sierra Club chapter is actually accomplishing some things I support, but the national organization is a whole different enchilada. I see them as no more than a lobbying firm that harvests revenue and legitimacy from the local chapters, where the real work is getting done.

      Hell, they almost lost the whole org to a board take over led by former leader of Greenpeace, Capt. Paul Watson.

    2. Re:Your mistake: by tanner_andrews · · Score: 1
      At present, the only charity with my current address is the local NPR affiliate, and they haven't abused it to my knowledge.

      They're not all so reliable. I don't know how much they sell it, but the Orlando station at least sends out rather a lot of its own junk mail. Between the solicitations to ``give more'' or ``additional gifts'' and the ``trips and treasures sweepstakes'' adverts, they must spend a noticable portion of my contribution on mailing more adverts.

      I have a P.O. box, and the adverts do not make it out the post office door. At least not under my power; I am sure that someone empties the trash.

      It's a real shame, too. They could spend the effort on improving the programming. They could, e.g., sack the person who selects Marketplace or the one who hasn't promoted Mr. Duggins to a bigger (and out-of-state) market. They could even use it to buy some rope, and tie the person who puts on all that ``space music'' in the evenings in a chair, and make him listen to it.

      Oops, mod [-1:flame]. But it felt good.

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  21. And the winner of the irony award... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone notice that you have to register in order to attend the event? Other than filling the organization's mailing list, what's the legitimate purpose for making privacy advocates identify themselves?

    I think they should take a look in the mirror.

    1. Re:And the winner of the irony award... by EvanED · · Score: 1

      So they don't overbook the auditorium they are in? I don't see anything that says that you need to send in even an address. (Though maybe I missed it)

    2. Re:And the winner of the irony award... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps because the hall only seats 1,000 people? You see, in *real life* you have to worry about fire codes and whatnot.

      In other news, PI isn't a membership organization, so they don't have any need to fill up a mailing list. And if you burn about a milligram of neural glucose you'll figure out that most of the people *at* the awards will probably have signed up for PI information already.

    3. Re:And the winner of the irony award... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's too full, you don't let them in. In real life, that's also how it works.

    4. Re:And the winner of the irony award... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, it's much easier to keep track of children if you register them all in a database, too. The question is whether it is worth the possible cost of misuse of that info. It may well be in this instance.

      It just strikes me that it's a small case of someone saying "I would never use this info in a bad way" without considering that the info could be lost, stolen, accidentally exposed, sold, or used in some fashion by some other person or arm at their organization. And isn't that part of what they are lampooning to begin with?

    5. Re:And the winner of the irony award... by spinlocked · · Score: 1

      If it's too full, you don't let them in. In real life, that's also how it works.

      Hence the phrase "book early to avoid disappointment".

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  22. Pfft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    It's Britain, why should I care.

    -Pompous American Ass

  23. Privacy for shut-ins... by El_Ge_Ex · · Score: 1

    They hardly track my every move - they're primarily used after the fact to identify people or to follow people attempting to evade the police.

    They're all in public places, I have no expectation of privacy in a public place and I'm not committing any offences, it really doesn't bother me.


    So, in the UK its ok for the government not to know where you are... as long as you never leave the house!?! :-\

    All I'm doing is using the Parent Post's logic...

    -B

    1. Re:Privacy for shut-ins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The government doesn't know where anybody is, fucktard.

      CCTV cameras (at the moment) aren't facially recognising people as they walk around. They are recording what's going on, and if a crime happens then the recording is replayed to help with the investigation. Also many cameras might be linked to a viewing room, just so that trouble can be identified and police dispatched quickly to the scene.

      Now if face recognition systems were attached to the CCTV systems, or if it was used to find more than just criminal action to get dealt with, then there would be a problem. You can argue that getting the CCTV in place is step one in a grander scheme sure. But that has yet to be proven.

      I'm not happy that on certain roads you can't speed in general because of CCTV, OTOH speeding is illegal and dangerous. CCTV placed at lucrative, rather than dangerous, spots is simply WRONG. It shouldn't be used to make money as a stealth tax.

    2. Re:Privacy for shut-ins... by TheAntiCrust · · Score: 1

      Hold on a second... placing a camera where it is lucrative to do so is becuase a lot of people are breaking the law there and you can fine them all. If a lot of people are all breaking the law in a specific place... doesnt it make sense to put the camera there?

      Now personally I don't like the speed limit laws anyway, but you should blame the laws and not the enforcement of them. I mean, the whole idea is that if a lot of people are speeding it's a dangerous location and therefore should be more heavily monitored.

    3. Re:Privacy for shut-ins... by bentcd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... doesnt it make sense to put the camera there?

      Exactly. It only becomes evil if they take it one step further out, i.e., they identify a nice, long, straight, wide section of road, purposedly set a low speed limit fully knowing people aren't going to respect it, and then add automatic surveillance.

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    4. Re:Privacy for shut-ins... by Cecil · · Score: 1

      A sharp, blind corner in a heavily populated area that one or two people a day speed around is a LOT more dangerous than a 55 to 35 transition coming off a major highway, but guess where the police will set up their speed traps and speed cameras?

      Quantity and quality are not the same thing.

    5. Re:Privacy for shut-ins... by El_Ge_Ex · · Score: 1

      CCTV cameras (at the moment) aren't facially recognising people as they walk around.

      Maybe, and I will say maybe because I do not know and I doubt you do either. The point of my statement is: "What's stopping them?"

      People never seem to realize what they have until they lose it.

      -B

  24. John not winston? by MrChuck · · Score: 1
    Should they be "Winston Smith"?

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  25. Missing Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duke Nukem Forever :p

  26. Re:list of co's/orgs that sell your info to market by scupper · · Score: 1
    Nettle spells it out just the way I feel about being , as he describes it "Carpet bombed by non-profit organizations" in his blog entry
    "Nettle vs. Aclu Part 1", "Part 2" AND "Part 3"

    An excerpt from "Nettle vs. ACLU"
    However, what I was amazed to find is that the ACLU automatically gave my name and address to third parties -- and did it so swiftly that I was already receiving mailings from third parties before I received my ACLU membership packet.
  27. no nO NO by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The cameras you speak of are only in public areas, where there is simply no expectation of privacy at all anyway. Is a camera somehow more invasive than other people? Maybe a little, by the fact that it makes a (near) perfect, permanent recording, whereas peoples' memories are "fuzzy." It is also more invasive by the fact that the government is doing it, although police walk around in public areas too, so...

    No, 1984 would require surveilance in the privacy of your own home, tracking your sexual habits, hobbies, et cetera. Keeping track of everywhere you go, your political opinions, and taking action against you for them. It will be 1984 when your television records YOU.

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    1. Re:no nO NO by uptownguy · · Score: 1

      1984 would require surveilance in the privacy of your own home, tracking your sexual habits, hobbies, et cetera. Keeping track of everywhere you go, your political opinions, and taking action against you for them. It will be 1984 when your television records YOU.

      OK, what if it's not my television, though? What if it's my computer? What if my web browser, my cookies, my SPYWARE starts tracking and compiling all of the above? What then? Does it have to be the government doing the tracking? What if the government can just buy the commercially available database that is being sold based on the above information which is being tracked?

      Honestly curious what Slashdotters have to say about this one...

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    2. Re:no nO NO by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1
      Good point! I can't believe this didn't get modded up; I guess you were a bit too late. Too bad, because it's a very interesting point.

      Cheers.

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  28. National ID card? by ggambett · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can anyone in the US what's the big deal with a national ID card? In this part of the world and in many other countries there are national ID cards and nobody cares. I understand you use your SSN and driver's license for what we use the ID card. So what could be the problem in having one?

    Not trolling, I always wanted to understand your point of view about this.

    1. Re:National ID card? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because we should have the right to walk down a street, nameless. Being bound to carry proof of identity doesn't fit with this.

    2. Re:National ID card? by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      You have, of course, a legitimate question, but I want to point out that the controversy over ID cards in this story is in the UK, not the US.

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    3. Re:National ID card? by Scooby71 · · Score: 2
      At present in the UK there is no requirement to carry an ID card. The basis of UK law is that everything is permitted unless specifically prohibited (reverse is true in many countries) and one is free to go about one's business without having to identfy yourself.


      The major problem is that there is no good reason for introducing ID cards. The Home Office makes arguements in favour that do not stand up.


      Briefly, they won't prevent terrorism, they won't prevent benefit fraud, it won't cut down on illegal working, they will criminalise a large number of the population who won't carry them on principle, and it will cost a minimum of GBP6 billion (over $10 billion).

      In short it's been the wet dream of the Civil Service here to have a massive database on everyone for decades(and its the database rather than the cards that's the worry). September 11th provided the excuse. The amount of scope creep here is terrifying.


      For detailed analysis start at www.stand.org.uk

    4. Re:National ID card? by nuklearfusion · · Score: 1

      I don't know the exact situation with UK ID cards, but it sounds like you will be required to own (and carry?) them. In America, i am not even sure about the requirement of a SSN card (although, a SSN is used by a lot of organizations as a form of identity . Drivers licences, however, are nowhere near required, unless you drive. Even if a cop pulls you over (at least in the state of Colorado,) you do not have to produce a dirvers licance for the police officer (you have 24 hours to prove to the goverment that you have one.)

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  29. It's a pickle... by gr3y · · Score: 1

    there's no doubt about it. Nonprofits exist to give a collective voice and purse to a group of people who would otherwise be mute or dependent on patronage.

    I don't know what to do about it, except not donate. Various groups exist that track overhead spending by nonprofits, and more than a few nonprofits seem to exist solely for the purpose of employing their executives, which to me is a complete violation of trust. Unfortunately, there's nothing anyone can do but withdraw their support.

    So I have a personal list of charities that will never receive another dollar of my money. Maybe we need a way to track the number of people that feel the same, a rating system for charities beyond simple economics.

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    1. Re:It's a pickle... by scupper · · Score: 1

      The Sacramento Bee did a series on environmental orgs and their practices, the good ones, the bad apples titled Environment, Inc. An article from the series, "Mission adrift in a frenzy of fund raising" cited some statistics related to how much fundraising overhead eats up contributions, and came up with 42% for the Sierra Club from IRS form 990 info and American Institute of Philanthropy. I just wish I could be a member of the local, and not fund a big marketing machine. I think the American Institute of Philathropy and Guidestar are pretty good places to start for info. Perhaps they have info on the mailing list sharing that goes on between these npos.

  30. I love the BBC by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    it isn't a tax, more like a mandatory TV subscription

    and let me take the opportunity to thank all of you Britons for pay this fee to keep the BBC around. As an American, I trust the BBC news more than any organization; especially for news about American.

    Also I love fun comedies like The Office. Jolly good show!

  31. The real big brother awards link... by RALE007 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The link in the description is only an article at the register.com. The actual website for the US awards can be found here and links for big brother awards for other nations can be found here.

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  32. Privacy invasion? by bairy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Well, no. You're leaving a public comment on a public website in the knowledge it may be moderated. It's gonna be logged whether it's summarised on a neat page or not, so no.

    The alternative is to not have mod points and although most people don't agree with the odd moderation, they are a great way to filter out the idiots.

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  33. Tracked murderer of my friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've recently gone through the agony of watching a friend die as a result of being attacked on the street. The incident was caught on CCTV and the offender caught the next day.

    The CCTV footage also helped my friend's family confront his death, by showing exactly what happened and how he didn't provoke the attack at any point.

    Needless to say, I support the use of CCTV as it is now.

    AC

  34. TV Detection by stuarth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My understanding was that a TV *does* emit radio waves, and that they can and do track them. They also do it the easy way - look for TV sales, look for houses with no TV (in this day and age???) and hassle them (I had no TV for a few years and got a good few "reminders"). When they think they can make money at it - they DO get the detector vans out though. Student flats - hand held detector wandering from floor to floor (Students are very poor at getting licences, but most have a TV). S.

  35. TV that doesn't suck by TheMCP · · Score: 1
    ...in exchange for which they get television which (hold on to your hat here) **doesn't suck**.
    We have public television that doesn't suck here, too, we just don't spy on our citizens' televisions to pay for it.

    Oh, and everyone, it's fundraising time at WGBH, which produces so many of those wonderful PBS shows. Please consider donating.
  36. Not heard of parliament then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    K means kingdom. That means the rights you have are what some crazy old person decides you should have. It's not hard to figure out...

    A rather naive assessment of a modern constitional monarchy, if you don't mind me saying.

  37. even the ACLU ?? by schwaang · · Score: 2, Informative
    In the most recent ACLU Northern California Chapter newsletter (pdf), on page 2 there is an opt-out form that says:
    Sometimes, as part of our member recruitment program, we exchange or rent our list of members' names to like-minded organizations and publications.

    If you pick your jaw up off the floor and keep reading through the tears, a bit further down it says:
    ...no organization will ever see the names of the members on our list unless an individual responds to their mailing.


    That probably doesn't qualify for your list of evil-doers, but it almost made me lose my lunch.
  38. You are overrating parts of anglosaxon law system by saigon_from_europe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You are overrating some parts of anglosaxon law system.

    The basis of UK law is that everything is permitted unless specifically prohibited (reverse is true in many countries)

    This was even truth in comunistic countries. I agree that this was (probably) inventeted in UK as a rule, but it is common thing in most of the even semicivilized (read: dictatorship countries) world .

    UK invented many of things in legal systems that we take for granted, but you should be aware that nothing lasts forever! For instance, UK legal system does not allow you to go to second instance court in many cases - which is, from continental point of view, serious abuse of human rights (IIRC, if you are trialed by jurry, you can't complain to their decision; they allowed this recently, but only in some extremely rare cases).

    Not to mention last report of Lord Hutton (if I had luck to spell its name correctly). In most of the world, ad-hoc parlamentarian comitee would investigate that, not prime minister's favorite judge. Ok, I am sounding like flaimbaiter, but these examples clearly show why we (including Britons, no matter of their past achievements) need more organisations like Privacy International.

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  39. Blunkett by twem2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, I know he's blind and good for him to get to the position he's got, but it doesn't change the fact that he's an authoritarian socialist statist who's ideal society seems to be based upon the Soviet system but with more technology.

    He deserves a special prize for his efforts to increase state control and reduce individual liberty and privacy.

  40. The award organizers are macho sexists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they implying women don't spy? If the men deserve to be recognizer, the women do 10 times better than men can ever be! In fact, male spies have proven to be less reliable[1]! The organizers should get rid or their stupid James Bond spy images!

    [1] http://www.gateway2russia.com/st/art_236867.php

  41. Crime by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1

    If the police were really interested in stopping crime, they would put cameras in every corporate board room in the country instead.

  42. Tv Taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You pay a TV tax too, you're just too dumb to realise it. Who do ya think pays for all the adverts you have on your TV, the companies thenselves? Of course not. They just put the prices of their products up to cover the cost of the ads, so you pay just as much as we do, only for crap TV that is interupted by adverts. Give me a TV license any day.

  43. Re:You are overrating parts of anglosaxon law syst by awol · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For instance, UK legal system does not allow you to go to second instance court in many cases - which is, from continental point of view, serious abuse of human rights (IIRC, if you are trialed by jurry, you can't complain to their decision; they allowed this recently, but only in some extremely rare cases).

    Er, well, whilst it is true that in the UK you cannot appeal on a question of fact (ie you cannot appeal the jury's decision on guilt or innocence) you can certainly appeal on a question of law. So your point is somewhat wrong.

    But to make the comparison with "Continental" jurisprudence is spurious at best. It is critical to remember that in the Common law tradition it is up to the state to prove guilt and that the defendant is innocent until such proof beyond reasonable doubt is offered, and then accepted by the jury of 12 of the defendants peers. Such a presumption of innocence does not exist in the Roman/Napoleonic model from which the vast majority of the continental jurisdictions derive their criminal justice. This "golden thread" of British justice (Thank you Rumpole) and he role of the jury is at the heart of the difference.

    However back to the original posters point. The constitution of the UK (and there is one, its just not written down) is founded on the idea that all things are permitted unless prescribed otherwise by law. The codified rights and duties of the continental criminal codes do not present the same ideals of freedom as this. Indeed I would suggest that the simple fact that the grandparent post actualy asked the question about "what is so wrong with having to have an ID card" says more about the fundamental differences about continental Europe and the UK than any subsequent post.

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  44. Re:You are overrating parts of anglosaxon law syst by saigon_from_europe · · Score: 1

    I am not the lawyer, but I have some formal training related to legal systems and constitutional systems.

    Both you and grand-grand parent still believe, for some quite odd reason, that "presumption of innosence" (as it is called in Serbia) does not exist outside of UK/USA. Unfortunately, I don't know when it was introduced in our legal system, but it was there even during the communistic regime. Napoleon and Roman Empire do not exist any more.

    Many, many important ideas in our (or any continental) legal system came from UK. We accepted good ideas from you. So in our codified law it is clearly written "everything that is not prohibited by written word is not prohibited".

    So you just prove what I wanted to say: you must continue to improve your system, otherwise you'll be behind other countries. You should not rely on your old glory!

    PS Actually, in this sad moment of our civilisaion, where human rights goes downwards all over the world, maintaining status quo would probably enable you significant advantage comparing to other countries.

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