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Ten-disc 'Matrix' DVD Box Set Planned

squishey writes "The Matrix trilogy is to be released as part of a special ten-disc DVD boxset in time for Christmas, according to the DVD Times. Out on December 12 and with an RRP of 44.99." Includes a lot of stuff you probably already own, and a few things you might want... like a version of Reloaded with the Enter the Matrix footage included.

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  1. 44.99 != $ by strictnein · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's not $44.99, it's 44.99, which is what, ~$75-80?

    1. Re:44.99 != $ by julesh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do you mean GBP 44.99? (Slashdot eats pound signs)

    2. Re:44.99 != $ by rshidla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As and American living in the UK, I would guess that when the set is released in the US it will be $44.99. Most new release DVDs sell for 19.99 here as they sell for $19.99 in the US.

    3. Re:44.99 != $ by StarKruzr · · Score: 5, Informative

      That would be "Pounds Sterling."

      And I'm American. Sheesh.

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    4. Re:44.99 != $ by katorga · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The first Matrix was great and I own it on DVD. The second was so bad that I never got the DVD and never even bother to see the 3rd installment in the theater.

    5. Re:44.99 != $ by hattig · · Score: 3, Funny

      UKP and Yen support has been fixed in Slash CVS 'cos I reported it after getting annoyed.

      Dunno if I'd want to pay that much to get anything that includes Matrix Revolutions ...

    6. Re:44.99 != $ by KDan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dunno if I'd want to pay that much to get anything that includes Matrix Revolutions ...

      Ditto. I might even be tempted to pay to NOT get it ;-)

      Daniel

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    7. Re:44.99 != $ by ArcticCelt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I remember that after the deception of seeing "Star Wars Episode one" I was thinking well at least there is the two next matrix that will kick ass... I was so wrong. Like you I love the first one but the two other have nothing to do with the original.

      Now I have switched my trust to Star Wars again and I am crossing my fingers and hoping that the name won't be something like: "Star Wars III - Jar Jar Binks Chronicles."

      George, you are our only hope... (so basically where toast)

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    8. Re:44.99 != $ by narsiman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Doesnt matter. In hongkong it is $2 - Irrespective of the conversion rates.

    9. Re:44.99 != $ by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "That would be "Pounds Sterling." And I'm American. Sheesh."

      Yeah I learned that from Benny Hill, too.

    10. Re:44.99 != $ by scrytch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      spoiler warning ... ah hell, who cares, you've seen it or you won't.

      I have the first DVD as well, and only that thanks to the dreary and disgusting mess of the second two Matrix movies, in the same fashion that George Lucas succeeded in turning me off to Star Wars (I own zero Star Wars DVD's). The first Matrix was great, but never for the acting. It was a perfect fusion of sci-fi and kung fu, complete with the philosophical reflections on reality (think of the treatment of chi in kung fu here).

      The second one unfortunately had dialog that was as wooden and juvenile as the first, but it failed to bring anything original except more fight scenes and (rolling my eyes) a big car chase scene. And Keanu flying around like Superman. Dreadful. Stupid. Come to think of it, calling it juvenile insults juveniles.

      It did have one saving grace: the architect. His little soliloquy on free will was masterful in writing and acting. Neo must have felt like Winston Smith in 1984 when O'Brien tells him the real story about Emmanuel Goldstein, but even more trapped by the inevitability of his fate.

      But no, he just blasts out of there, becomes some sort of cyber-messiah, and gee wiz, turns out by the third movie the architect just lied about Zion's purpose and state of existence. Or if he was a construct (might explain some of his superpowers) then it sure as hell didn't get adequate exposition. I don't ask to be led by the hand, I do ask for the various premises of a film to feel like they weren't just made up on the spot, like so much improvised roleplaying gaming.

      I think the Farrelly Brothers would have put more consistency and thought into this wretched trilogy than the Wachowski Brothers did.

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    11. Re:44.99 != $ by slyxter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Canadians call both of them pound signs. Also there is a sign for snooty british people that call Canadians americans, it is an extended middle finger .

  2. For those wondering this isnt Region 1.... by arock99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A box set hasnt been annouced for region 1 yet (US & Canada).

    1. Re:For those wondering this isnt Region 1.... by IWantMyNickBack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So? Make it work.

    2. Re:For those wondering this isnt Region 1.... by danormsby · · Score: 5, Funny

      No-one can tell you what the region 1 price is, you have to see it for yourself.

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    3. Re:For those wondering this isnt Region 1.... by stienman · · Score: 3, Funny

      There is no region.

    4. Re:For those wondering this isnt Region 1.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do you believe the price in region 2 has anything to do with the price in region 1? Do you really think that's air you're breathing?

      (yeah I know I messed up that quote, I haven't seen the movie in years)

    5. Re:For those wondering this isnt Region 1.... by MarkCollette · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can only show you the Future Shop door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

  3. 10 DVDs? by Bob+McCown · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whoa

    1. Re:10 DVDs? by freqres · · Score: 2, Funny

      EXCELLENT!!!

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  4. There's a trilogy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As far as I'm concerned, there is only The Matrix. I refuse to acknowledge the existence of any followup films.

    1. Re:There's a trilogy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is how I feel about 'Highlander'. Truly, there can be only one... movie.

    2. Re:There's a trilogy? by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "As far as I'm concerned, there is only The Matrix. I refuse to acknowledge the existence of any followup films."

      Why even go that far? What was it about the first one that was underwear-tent-popping good?

      I'm serious about this. What I saw was a flash in the pan that hardly survived a second viewing. What'd everybody else take out of it?

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    3. Re:There's a trilogy? by finkployd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Andross reveals his true form.

      Been there, done that.

    4. Re:There's a trilogy? by no+reason+to+be+here · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For a mindless summer blockbuster, there was a good dose of philosophy and symbolism in The Matrix. Add to that the fact that, in 1999, those really were some freakin' cool special effects. I was, however, let down that the first movie devolved into a blow 'em up, shoot 'em up gun fest. There was a lot of potential there halfway through that was lost the instant Neo says they need "Guns. Lots of guns."

    5. Re:There's a trilogy? by Pxtl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For one thing, it will be remembered as the last movie that had actual, cool special effects besides simple 3d-rendered models. The fights in Matrix were 1/10th as spectacular as those in the sequels, but were so much more enjoyable and enthralling to watch because the actors were real humans and not models.

      Maybe its just me, but I can still tell very, very easily when they switch over from meatspace people to 3d models in most movies, and somehow my eyes gloss over at the 3d human substitutes. Spiderman 2 was the only movie where I had difficulty telling, and that was because his costume is so inhuman looking already. In Harry Potter, LoTR, Van Helsing, and Matrix 2,3, all the CG scenes somehow just don't grip me the way the real meatspace scenes do. Its different in older movies where the CG was only used for wholly inhuman things, or in all-CG movies where the CG version _is_ the character, but in new movies where CG is just used for impossible stunts - it just becomes ignorable.

    6. Re:There's a trilogy? by General+Wesc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I must have missed the part with the interesting philosophy. I saw Socrates repeated for the ten thousandth time. Socrates, Descartes, myself, and everyone else who has every though about what they know.

      I like philosophy. I'm doubling in philosophy. But when someone says a film has a lot of good philosophy in it, I generally expect to see some ideas that haven't been mainstream for 2,000 years and haven't been rehashed in half the science fiction previously written.

      The other two made decent action films. I actually prefered them. They weren't great, but at least they didn't waste all their time rehashing trite scifi storylined. Well, they didn't seem as trite.

      My brother (not an action fan, but certainly a scifi fan) summed up The Matrix fairly well, I though: they discover that this is all a big illusion and nothing in the simulation is real. So they get a bunch of not-real guns and shoot all the not-real stuff. WTF?

      (Probably is better on the big screen. Oh well. Too late now, I suppose.)

    7. Re:There's a trilogy? by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 2, Insightful
      But when someone says a film has a lot of good philosophy in it, I generally expect to see some ideas that haven't been mainstream for 2,000 years and haven't been rehashed in half the science fiction previously written.

      Why would you expect that? Has there ever been a movie that met your philosophy quotas? Would even Waking Life make the cut? None of the ideas in that moving are something you wouldn't hear a philosophy 101 undergrad say. Pure ideas simply don't render well into visual medium.

      The Matrix is great, possibly even artistically great, for two reasons--how well it translates those fairly simple ideas into the visual (Waking Life rules for the same reason), and the suggested isomorphism between the machines hallucinogenic domination of humanity and the forms of social control that exist in our present day world (or at least a anarchist's punk caricature thereof). The sci-fi aspects are secondary to the social parable aspects--which is why things like the obviously second law of thermodynamic violations like "human batteries" are allowed.

      Sure, you can read about a brain in a vat in your textbook, but that doesn't capture the creepy absurdity of the idea--you wake up, go to work, work hard all day--but it's just an illusion--you're actually sleeping suspended in nutritive fluid, with tubes sticking out of your servo-mechanical orifices, while sadistic machines are poking and proding you on a doomed Earth under an eternal nighttime sky. You never knew it, but the entire planet is dedicated to making sure you never wake up.

      There's nothing new about the idea, it's the visual translationg that's noteable.

      But the truly interesting ideas aren't in the philosophy or science of it, but in the politics. The people of the Matrix are required to go to school even though learning can take place in an instant, and go to work even though the "food" they purchase and consume has no effect on their metabolism--their jobs don't exist to serve any purpose, they exist merely as a distraction, to prevent an uprising by the masses.

      Consider our present day world--a very miniscule population is required to grow the food we eat in America, and an ever dwindling population is required to produce the products we use Check the numbers--we aren't losing manufacturing jobs to China and India, the World is losing jobs to robots and automation. The government subsidizes both agriculture and manufacturing to keep those populations artificially high. Capitalism, like the Matrix, exists not to meet our material needs, but merely to keep the masses occupied. I'm not saying I believe this, but I believe it is the hidden message of the Matrix--that whether or not we live in an actual "Matrix" of physical hallucination, we still live our day to day lives in a "social" hallucination.

      Indeed, perhaps the Second Law ignorance of the Matrix is in fact a parody of the Second Law ignorance of capitalism--why am I paid to work, when work merely uses up the only thing that's TRULY scarce in our world, useable energy.

      Okay, I'm reaching on that last one.

      Still, one interesting thing I remember from the second movie, when Zion's leader is comparing the machines that dominate humans to keep themselves energized to the machines humans dominate in order to keep Zion running. There's a point made about civil disobediance--what we have power over we grow to depend upon, and therefore has power over us. Zion's machines are model of the humans in the Matrix--which itself is a parable of modern social control. I thought that was kind of clever.

  5. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it have a good version?

    1. Re:But... by BananaPeel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Neo bender was the best version i saw... but i guess that ain't on the disks

  6. Wow by bool+morpheus() · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ten discs, at ~4.5gb a piece. I wonder how long it will take to rip a DivX of that. As a bad actor once said, "whoa".

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  7. 10 discs? by julesh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't that, like, a little extreme? They could get nearly 40 hours worth of video on that. I wouldn't have thought that much footage would have been shot during the making of 3 films.

    1. Re:10 discs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      They shoot for a few months, and you don't think they'll have 40 hours? They likely have hundreds of hours, with dozens of cuts for each scene. These are just the prime selection of that.

    2. Re:10 discs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Isn't that, like, a little extreme? They could get nearly 40 hours worth of video on that. I wouldn't have thought that much footage would have been shot during the making of 3 films.

      Having worked in the movie business, I'll tell you that a typical hollywood movie has hundreds of hours of footage, if not thousands.

      Although, most of the footage is just retakes of the same scene.

    3. Re:10 discs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Well, they tried different catch-phrases other than "Whoa!", so those will also be on the discs, including:
      • "Dude!"
      • "Oh man!"
      • "Jinkies!"
      • "What the friggity?!"
      • "Wowzers!"
      • "First post!"
    4. Re:10 discs? by Brain+Stew · · Score: 5, Informative
      Through some investigation at DVDTalk.com and HMV, here's what will be on this UK set:

      The ten discs seem to be:

      1. The Matrix - With All-New Transfer & Audio Commentary
      2. The Matrix Revisited - Original Version With Behind-The-Scenes Footage
      3. Matrix Reloaded Extended Version - New Cut With 55 Minutes Of New Footage Inserted Back Into The Film
      4. Matrix Reloaded Revisited - All New Interviews, Scene Dissections And More!
      5. Matrix Revolutions - Original Cut With Audio Commentaries
      6. Matrix Revolutions Revisited - A Host Of All-New Extras
      7. The Animatrix
      8. The Roots Of The Matrix - 3 Hours Of Features
      9. The Burley Man Chronicles - The People Behind The Matrix Discuss Their Work
      10. The Zion Archive - A Tour Of Matrix Design Concepts, Storyboards & Drawings

      And here is HMV's list of special features for the new discs:

      THE MATRIX

      • All-New Transfer & Audio Commentary
      • All-New transfer supervised by The Wachowskis and director of photography (DP), Bill Pope
      • Audio commentary by Keanu Reeves, Carrie Anne Moss, Laurence Fishburne, DP Bill Pope and other cast and crew
      • The Matrix Revisited - Original version with behind-the-scenes footage
      • The Matrix Revisited (180 Minutes) - Same special features as previous release
      • Offers comprehensive behind-the-scenes look at the first film in the trilogy.

      MATRIX RELOADED

      • Extended Version - New Cut With 55 Minutes Of New Footage Inserted Back Into The Film
      • Matrix Reloaded Revisited - All New Interviews, Scene Dissections And More!
      • Matrix Reloaded Extended Version (190 Minutes) - New Special Features new cut incorporating 55 minutes of footage shot for the 'Enter The Matrix' Game
      • Audio Commentaries by Keanu Reeves, Carrie-Anne Moss, Laurence Fishburne, Jada Pinkett-Smith, Production Designer Owen Paterson, 2nd Unit Directors David Ellis And Kimble Rendall and other cast and crew
      • Matrix Reloaded Revisited - Special Features (180 Minutes)
      • Includes All New Footage Including Dozens Of Never-Before-Seen Cast And Crew Interviews, Scene Dissections, Explorations Of The Production Design And Special Effects, And More

      MATRIX REVOLUTIONS

      • Matrix Revolutions - Original cut with audio commentaries
      • Matrix Revolutions Revisited - A host of all-new extras
      • Matrix Revolutions - new special features:
      • Audio commentaries by Keanu Reeves, Carrie-Anne Moss, Laurence Fishburne, Special Effects Supervisor, John Gaeta; editor, Zach Staenberg and other cast and crew
      • Matrix Revolutions Revisited - Special Features (180 Minutes)
      • Includes all new footage, including dozens of never-before-seen cast and crew interviews, scene dissections, explorations of the production design and special effects, and more

      THE ANIMATRIX

      • Same Special Features As Previous Release

      THE ROOTS OF THE MATRIX

      • The Roots Of The Matrix - 3 Hours Of Features:
      • The Roots of the Matrix - Special Features (180 Minutes)
      • The Matrix and the History of the Action Genre - Examines The Many Influences Of Action Cinema That Make Up The Matrix
      • Brainiacs' Revenge - Scholars, Philosophers, Theorists, And Charlatans Deconstruct The Intellectual Underpinnings Of The Trilogy
      • The Science Behind The Fiction - Is The Notion Of A Real Matrix Plausible? An Investigation Of The Technologies That Inspire The Metaphor Of The Matrix

      THE BURLEY MAN CHRONICLES

      • The Burley Man Chronicles - The People Behind The Matrix Discuss Their Work:
      • The Burley Man Chronicles - Special Features (75 Minutes)
      • The Burley Man C
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    5. Re:10 discs? by Tassach · · Score: 5, Insightful
      In other words:
      • Two versions of one cool movie
      • Eight disks of self-aggrandizing ego balm wherein the W. bros try and reassure themselves about how cool and talented they are.
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    6. Re:10 discs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Two of the disks are composed entirely of the deleted portions of the Trinity death sequence.

    7. Re:10 discs? by XO · · Score: 3, Funny

      You forgot when they were trying out Snoop Dogg for the part:

      Fo-Shizzle!

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    8. Re:10 discs? by ro_coyote · · Score: 3, Funny

      Matrix Reloaded Extended Version - New Cut With 55 Minutes Of New Footage Inserted Back Into The Film

      34 minutes of which will probably be an extension to the original "Dance Party Zion".

      *long shudder*

    9. Re:10 discs? by shigelojoe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only two disks? Where will they fit in the part where she lectures Neo on the finer points of Keynesian economic theory?

      Geez, after five minutes of that craptacular monologue half of the theater was yelling "Come on, die already!"

    10. Re:10 discs? by danila · · Score: 2, Funny

      From here:
      http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=950 20&cid= 8149141

      But of course we must honor the best quotes from each of the three movies:

      The Matrix:
      Context: Morpheus jumps a massive gap between two skyscrapers
      Neo: Whoa.

      Reloaded:
      Context: Neo throws a smith out of the battle, where he lands, hard.
      Smith: More!
      More context: (More smiths charge in)

      Revolutions:
      Context: Neo runs out of the train station, off to the left, and we see him come back into the train station on the right.
      Neo: Shit!

      That sums up the three movies, and also the main reactions that this MATRIX thing seems to be inspired by:
      Woah!
      More!!
      Shit!!!

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  8. If only... by ites · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the successors to the Matrix were not some of the most disappointing films I've ever seen, I'd run out and buy tomorrow.

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    1. Re:If only... by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Funny

      you obviously haven't seen precursors to one other film series..

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    2. Re:If only... by emorphien · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Amen. The second was bad, the third was unthinkable. They totally destroyed what was and could have been a really cool series and a lot of fun.

      After a while it became really painful to watch those CGI'd smith and neo fights that would just drag on forever and had action similar to what a 10 yr old might daydream during english class. It went beyond the "matrix" physics and just became absurd. Everyone was so powerful there was no suspense.

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    3. Re:If only... by teslatug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anyone else reminded of the DBZ fight scenes while watching those fights?

    4. Re:If only... by D-Cypell · · Score: 2, Funny

      The second and third matrix films were a work of pure genius. It was just so subtle you guys didnt see it... you see the W. Bros. were simply elaborating on the 'black cat concept' in the first film....

      It worked on me anyway, at first I believed I had watched two totally shit movies, after much deliberation I decided it was actually the exact same shit twice!

    5. Re:If only... by Total_Wimp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Gotta chime in an alternate opinion. I thought the third film, while not as good as the first, was quite fun.

      First, I will not apologize for any of the crappy Zion dialogue. The best I can say for that is that dialogue was in thankfully short supply down there. But the fight down there was breathtaking. It was expertly conceived and executed. I couldn't take my eyes off the screen if I wanted to.

      And the interplay between Neo and Smith was great. The fight was classic unstoppable force impenetrable barrier in the style of a lot of anime and American comic books. The resolution was both classic and unexpected; the only way to win was to give up.

      Speaking of giving up, I think a lot of the bad feelings over the third film were because people gave up after the underwhelming second film. Perhaps the third doesn't "make up" for the second, but how could it? Watch it again and you just may find you actually like it on it's own merits.

      TW

    6. Re:If only... by kahei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But the fight down there was breathtaking. It was expertly conceived and executed. I couldn't take my eyes off the screen if I wanted to.


      Yes, it was good the way the squids all poured in through this one hole, and the humans all stood stock still and shot at them... and more squids came... and the humans kept shooting... and more squids came and the humans shifted position veeeery slightly, and kept on shooting, just shooting and shooting and shooting until you wonder whether the budget simply didn't stretch to any other sound effect, and then they shoot some more...

      Gripping stuff!

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    7. Re:If only... by bfields · · Score: 2, Interesting
      After a while it became really painful to watch those CGI'd smith and neo fights that would just drag on forever and had action similar to what a 10 yr old might daydream during english class. It went beyond the "matrix" physics and just became absurd.

      Of course, the funny thing is that the fights in the first movie were already absurd, at least from the perspective of someone not already exposed to lots of kung-fu movies.

      Come to think of it, the fight scenes in almost all movies are absurd; we just take them for granted because they fit into a language of fight moves we've seen in previous movies. The sound and visuals associated with a given punch may be completely unrealistic, but we understand what it's all supposed to mean for the characters involved so we accept it.

      In each Matrix sequel they built up an increasingly bizarre and abstract vocabulary of fight moves, coming to a sort of logical conclusion with those enormous waves of distorted space in the final scenes. It was that development that was one of the few things that kept the movies interesting for me, exactly because it was so weird.

      --Bruce Fields

  9. Enter the Matrix footage... by rokzy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...contains IMO Seraph's coolest moment - "first I must apologise" to one of the Captains with a gun, then backwards somersaults and knocks the gun out of his hand. Then quite a good fight to "get to know him" like he does to Neo.

  10. Disc Four: Matrix Reloaded Revisited? by Roofus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nice! I'm going to wait for the Super Special Edition though, I hear it will contain a disc titled "Matrix Reloaded Revisited Revamped".

    That price seems awfully cheap for a ten disc set though.

  11. That's sweet... by Shads · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... next year we'll have the super platinum deleted scenes 15 disk version, and the following year the titanium unloaded reloaded version with 20 disks...

    I suppose waiting for the matrix will be alot like waiting for LoTR-- Gotta sit through all the regular, bronze, gold, platinum, titanium editions to get the best version... I just hate to buy and then rebuy later to get the additional content.

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    1. Re:That's sweet... by YomikoReadman · · Score: 2, Informative
      oooo.. an LoTR troll.. I'll bite.

      Since you either actually don't know, or just want to bitch about extended editions, here's the real happenings on LoTR. There will be no boxset. Due to the fact that it's going to run for way more than he'd like it to, Peter Jackson canned it. As for different versions of the films aside from what's already out there, that's not going to happen either; the extended versions that have either been released or are in the process of being released will be the longest that they ever get.

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    2. Re:That's sweet... by r00zky · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll opt for the unobtanium version, thank you.

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    3. Re:That's sweet... by dafz1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's call it "George Lucas Syndrome".

      The Wachowskis/Peter Jackson will release the version "they really wanted to make", after the royalties start drying up(though Jackson will be able to beat this horse for a while with the release of The Hobbit). I could see a redo of the battle of Pelennor Fields, or maybe the attack of the Ents at Isengard(that sequence bothered me).

      Unlike Lucas and the original triogy, the Wachowskis can't make the new versions any worse than the original release.

    4. Re:That's sweet... by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You mean like they did with The Matrix? Oh wait, they didn't. The collector's edition was released at the same time.

      You mean like they did with Revolutions and Reloaded? Oh wait, they didn't. There are no collector's editions.

      And of course, this is exactly like LOTR where the producers told everyone straight up that there would be a standard edition and an extended edition for each movie.

      Not to mention that it wasn't exactly difficult to predict that box sets would become available for The Matrix trilogy and the LOTR trilogy..

      Sorry, I forgot. Ha ha ha, the standard DVD joke! OMFG ROFL etc.

  12. Finally... by NeoFunk · · Score: 5, Funny

    A TEN disc Matrix box set. The geeks really HAVE inherited the earth.

  13. great by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here comes a bunch of "Matrix sucks" comments. Hurry up, I'm anxious to read them!!

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  14. Will this sell? by mekkab · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This isn't a troll; I just have a warped, slashdot view of the world.

    As far as all the geeks I know here say, the last movie SUCKED (or WAS TEH SUCK).

    Are there enough remaining fan boys who loved the series the justify a purchase like this?

    I know that for Lord of The Rings a 40 disc box set (including a full disk of Viggo Mortensen clearing his throat in the morning) would be snapped up in a jiffy by everyone here (*well, everyone but the Tolkein die hards).

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  15. Like the acting.. by Durzel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it come in a wooden box?

    1. Re:Like the acting.. by stienman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does it come in a wooden box?

      Suitable for burial. Unmarked gravestone not included.

      -Adam

  16. Enter the matrix by alex_tibbles · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've never played this so may get this for that (footage interleaved as Extended Reloaded). Dispite its faults, the Matrices are slick and impressive action films, the first being a finely balanced roller-coaster (with amusing product tie-ins etc.) and the other two being poorly balanced but still exciting to watch (IMHO).

  17. Trinity by mrpuffypants · · Score: 5, Funny

    I believe that this box set will also include the 30 minute long death footage of Trinity that was cut for 'consistency'

    "Neo"
    "Yes"
    "Lets act out MacBeth before I die.....one last time!"
    "Hark!"

  18. Revisionist history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    In this version, Greedo "whoas" first. And some of the dialog has been 3d rendered.

  19. Milking the franchise by sql*kitten · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd bet dollars to donuts that next year, there'll be another special edition, a widescreen edition, a directors cut... how many times can you get the same people to buy the same movie with just a few tweaks? I don't know but George Lucas must have a pretty good idea by now, and the Wachowskis are his best students.

  20. Extra footage by singleantler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Matrix Reloaded Extended Version (190 minutes)

    New cut incorporating 55 minutes of footage shot for the 'Enter The Matrix' game"

    But is it enough to make it a good film?

    I like this product, it shows they really want to suck as much money from the fans as possible while the second and third film still have some residual hype going. Having the mass of extra material will set a level that many other production companies will try to match in the future, just for bulk. It's just a shame it isn't for a better set of films.

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  21. Re:Last Flight of the Osiris? by philbowman · · Score: 5, Informative

    That would be on disk seven - The Animatrix. As far as being canonical goes, I understood that was the reason for seeing Animatrix before Reloaded - that was a chunk of story you should know about (but then so was the game, which is why I'm glad they're inserting that into the movies). Just glad I decided not to buy 2&3 - I was sure they would bring out more complete disks in time (if not better-scripted).

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  22. A few things we might want, such as: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    - A version of Reloaded that doesn't suck
    - A version of Revolutions that doesn't suck horribly
    - An ending not designed to make one violently ill
    - A box set that comes with two free movie tickets to any other movie, as a means of apologizing for the money wasted on Reloaded
    - Rather then taking up all this space, a box set that only features stuff worth watching.

    Oh wait, we already have that last one. Its called the first movie!

  23. 10 discs sounds a lot by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    But I believe an extension to your house will be required to store the LOTR special edition discs.

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  24. Free your wallet, Neo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait to watch "The Making of 'The Making of the Matrix'".

  25. Torture Regiment by Ravensign · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ok.

    20 Hours of Matrix footage + 4 hours of sleep a day would work out to a pretty nice punishment for murderers.

    Of course, the Trinity death scene would be removed due to 8th amendment considerations.

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  26. Yep by Nugget · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had the same reaction. I stopped caring about these films after seeing the second one in the theater. I've never seen the third one either.

    1. Re:Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      There was a second one?

    2. Re:Yep by Fred_A · · Score: 3, Funny

      I didn't want to see the third one either but those bastards at Aeromexico forced me to watch it during my flight back to Paris.

      I listened to music during most of the movie though. That showed em.

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  27. Basic ROM Features? by ajs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What does "Basic ROM Features" mean on disk 10?

    1. Re:Basic ROM Features? by Winterblink · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Automatically installs crummy DVD player software that totally takes control away from the good one you alread had. That's just my guess though :)

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    2. Re:Basic ROM Features? by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Funny

      One would presume that it is MS BASIC on ROM. I can finally get rid of those "NO ROM BASIC" errors on boot!

      I guess that explains why Smith was able to spread to every other system in the Matrix, and why it has to be reloaded so damned often.

      Damn you Gates!

      -Peter

  28. Enter the Matrix footage by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've always wondered why no one ever made a "phantom edit" of Matrix Reloaded with that extra footage...

  29. Does it bother anyone else... by jbarr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...that movie studios are filming scenes specifically to cash in on the DVD aftermarket? It used to be that I would go the movie theater to see a movie on "the big screen" to see the film "the way it was meant to be seen." Now, when I go to see a movie in the theater, I feel like I am being cheated because they simply aren't showing the "entire" movie. It's now become a given that DVD's will contain "extra" or "deleted" scenes. At sometimes over $9.00 for tickets, I feel cheated by this.

    A colleague of mine said "Well, you're paying the extra money for the extra DVD content." Hmmmm. Shouldn't movies now be marketed as "Movie Theater Edition" or something?

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    1. Re:Does it bother anyone else... by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All movies go through a process called "editing" where the film is cut to fit the director's vision and the studio's time constraints. There have always been "extra" or "deleted scenes." With DVD, we get to see them. Before, we did not.

    2. Re:Does it bother anyone else... by koreth · · Score: 5, Informative
      There is no conspiracy here. Directors have always been forced for one reason or another to cut out footage they originally intended to include in a film. That's why there's usually a person with the job of "editor" on the crew of a movie -- in addition to helping select which particular angle is the best one for a scene, that person's job is to trim out the fat and keep the pacing of the movie on track.

      The difference these days is that where the studios used to take all that extra film and throw it in the trash (or stuff it in poorly-maintaned warehouses where a lot of old footage has rotted away or -- I'm not joking -- been eaten by rats) now it's preserved and put on DVD for interested viewers.

      Yeah, there are a few movies like the LotR trilogy where the director shoots a scene knowing full well that it's intended for the DVD. And I suppose given its financial success, we may see additional "shoot some extra scenes for the video game" cases like Matrix Reloaded. But the vast majority of deleted scenes on DVDs are simply the result of the absolutely ordinary process of editing a movie into shape.

      When it comes on again, try watching "Project Greenlight" if you want an illuminating view of what a director goes through and how much of the intended film actually ends up on screen. I believe I heard they're doing a low-budget horror movie for the next project, which ought to be fun.

    3. Re:Does it bother anyone else... by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Peter Jackson discussed this on one of the LoTR discs, pointing out that for home DVD viewers, a director can take more time to flesh out characters or plot. At home you can always hit pause when you need to and take more time to enjoy the film, whereas commercial theaters have a greater interest in churning the audiences in and out the door.

      I wonder if we'll ever see a long commercial film released again in the US that actually contains an intermission. You'd think that with the money made at concession stands, this wouldn't be a bad idea...

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    4. Re:Does it bother anyone else... by stienman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You've got it all wrong.

      The movies theaters are for showing the "film as it was meant to be shown to the masses" not the "film as intended by the director".

      Movie theaters exist because home theaters are very expensive and it's more cost effective to see the movie in the theater than to invest in a good home setup.

      Just as the movie industry had to change with the introduction of videotapes, they will again have to change when home theaters are less costly and more common.

      But the upshot is that a movie theater is set up to have a fixed ticket price per movie. Some movies will never go longer than 1.5 hours, and others will require 3 hours or more. Theaters are not set up for graduated pricing, and they make significantly less money showing a longer film than showing a shorter one unless it also runs for several weeks longer and attracts a steady audience.

      Theaters will not show long films that are not guranteed to draw huge audiences. Producers know this and force directors to cut films to a reasonable length. Directors, knowing that they will "always have the DVD", do so reluctantly and then polish the film for the extended DVD release. Did you notice how LoTR 1 played in theaters for weeks longer than LoTR 3? There's a cost/benefit ratio here. If you want to see the movie as the director intended (given the budget they had) then you buy the extended edition. Consumers are happy, fans are happy, studios make millions, and the smurfs escape from gargomel once again.

      So don't feel cheated. You're paying $9 for a $9 experience. This is the edition the director expected you to spend $9 for. Remember that the directors and the theaters are at the mercy of the movie studios/producers. If you don't like it, then spend time writing letters and faxes to the studios - both when they do good and when they do bad. But don't blame the theater owners when they start raising prices across the board to accomodate the one or two movies a year that are 4 hours long.

      Remember that we American Consumers like our flat rates.

      -Adam

    5. Re:Does it bother anyone else... by jbarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I definitely agree with your explanation, I still feel like there's an underlying "falseness" to the whole process.

      Take, for example, "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" which I saw the week it was released back in the late 70's. As many know, the "theater edition" was very different from the "special edition" now available on DVD. OK, I'll concede that my liking the theater edition MAY be due to seeing it first, but the tone and mood of the "theater edition" is very different from the "special edition"--I personally prefer the "theater edition".

      Additionally, the "theater edition" is/was the edition that the critics and viewers reviewed and talked about. It was the edition that made the press. It was the edition that won the awards. It was the edition that made the studio its money. Do we now have to have Oscars for after-market releases? (Maybe they do--I rarely watch awards shows anyway.)

      And the kicker is that the theater edition (and not just of "Close Encounters") of movies is often not available on DVD, only the "director's cut". These "special" or "director's" editions continue to be available, but the editions that launched it all disappears. While I certainly embrace the ability to see what the director "really wanted" and the extra content is typically worth the price of the DVD, I feel like it's a form of re-writing history.

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    6. Re:Does it bother anyone else... by Stickster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Directors have always been forced for one reason or another to cut out footage they originally intended to include in a film.

      It's not always the case that directors have to be "forced" to cut their films. Many are good judges of pacing and story who enjoy and embrace the trimming process, and can be quite ruthless on their own. For instance, Ridley Scott considers his original 1979 theatrical cut of Alien the best version, and was not forced into it by any stretch of the imagination. (See his interviews and commentary on the recent Alien Quadrilogy set for more details.) In fact, the studio had to beg him to revisit the cut for a 2003 "Special Edition" that would serve as a kind of reverse advertisement for the DVD set, as well as the upcoming Alien Vs. Predator.

  30. useless matrix by laurentc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    go Read Neuromancer by Gibson

    It's much better value and probably will last you a lifetime copared to this inept excuse for a movie.

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    1. Re:useless matrix by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Existenz, which was released simultaneously to The Matrix, is also a good alternative if you want to watch a movie with more depth. Cronenberg has really grasped a strong sense of the 'what is reality' themes from Philip K Dick, along with the technology/biological fusion themes of Gibson. It was more of a thinking movie than an action shoot-em-up. The Matrix was fun to watch (unlike the sequels), but Existenz is a movie that I thought about when leaving the theatre.

      PS Side note... While writing this post I just realised that Dick and Gibson are/were essentially emmigre Americans who live(d) in Vancouver, BC. I wonder if its the rain that alters their perceptions of reality in such creative ways?...

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  31. party footage? by whynotme · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Matrix Reloaded: New Cut With 55 Minutes Of New Footage Inserted Back Into The Film
    Does this mean that we'll finally be able to see the end of the "Cavern Dance" party??? I've been wondering how that turned out...

    1. Re:party footage? by gowen · · Score: 4, Funny

      I want to see the bits where Keanu and Carrie are getting it on, and he keeps bashing his head on the extremely low ceiling that is above him.

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  32. Re:pound this by perly-king-69 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Nice. Only about 30 years or so out of date. This refers to the system before 1970 when there were 240 pence in the pound.

    Since then it's all gone decimal. 100 pence to the pound.

    Don't use google for your homework kids!

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  33. Re:Does anyone care? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It wasn't disappointing because it followed Matrix 2 which was so awful that, frankly, if Spiderman 2 had been called "Matrix 3" it would have seemed like a quality sequel.

    That said, my opinion of Matrix 3 has lowered since I watched it originally. I don't think it was the piece of crap most people claimed it was, but it certainly wasn't a worthy sequel to the original.

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  34. Re:New Revolution? by JaffaKREE · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know, I bet a lot of people bashing reloaded and revolutions actually enjoyed them - it's just the cool thing to hate on the two sequels. Admit it, you just didn't understand what was going on after Neo's chat with the 'father' of the matrix. Yes, the neo/trinity sex scene/rave was stupid. Don't let a lame 10 minute trip ruin the subsequent 3 hours.

  35. Re:10 discs padded out... by bygimis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Revolutions was far, far worse.

    Morpheous should have died on the roof of the truck in reloaded. He does nothing the rest of the film(s). This would have supprised us and given the film some dramatic impact.

  36. New transfer by rd_syringe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately, I doubt it'll be sold seperately, but the version of the Matrix in this box set is a brand-new transfer. Should be much cleaner. Also, the Wachowskis were never happy with the originaly DVD transfer, as it was too bright. The new transfer will be more accurate to the original theatrical release as well as more consistent with the color scheme of the sequels.

    Personally, the dark green and blue of the two sequels gave me headaches, but hey, hopefully the first one won't look bad, and it'll be a much cleaner transfer and probably include a new audio mix.

  37. Re:Admit it - the sequels are actually really cool by Kobold+Curry+Chef · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Admit it - you loved the ghost twins and the car chase extravaganza.

    Nope, thought they were respectively dull and way unbelievable. Funny how all the overpasses in the Matrix are 10 feet taller than in the real world.

    You watched with mouth agape as Neo held his own against waves of Agent Smiths.

    Only in the Burly Brawl. After that, I was just bored by it.

    You feasted your eyes on the gunfight in the club at the beginning of Revolutions. You delighted in the apocalyptic, desparate battle between the defenders of Zion and the machines.

    Nope. Couldn't get past the stupid stupid design of the mechs and ammo loading.

    And finally, you still found the philosophy intriguing.

    More like pretentious and, as Robert Plant once put it, "deep and meaningless."

    Nevertheless, I am GLAD I paid money to see them, and so are you.

    That sounds like the thinking of a machine to me.

  38. The open source disk set by Animats · · Score: 2, Funny
    The ten disks you really want:
    1. The rendered movie.
    2. Principal photography before post.
    3. The 3D models.
    4. Motion capture and animation curve data.
    5. Texture files.
    6. On-set audio.
    7. Re-recording audio.
    8. Mixer setting and timing files.
    9. Asset management configuration files and build scripts.
    10. Help files.
  39. Trivia about the sequels: "The Burly Man" by HedonismBot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, "The Burly Man" was the name the Reloaded+Revolutions production had while they were filming it. The reasons for this fact are beyond me, since the sequels had already been announced and everyone [who cared about it] knew where it was going on. And it's not as if you could keep a secret on a movie with 10 mins of credits anyway.

    Want proof? It's mentioned in this article from Wired, appears on this crew-exclusive T-shirt and you can see it in a surprising amount of footage on all those behind-the-stages documentaries this boxset seems to be so prolific on.

    Ew, I feel like a geek. In the bad sense of the word.

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  40. Re:Admit it - the sequels are actually really cool by poppageek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do not forget the dock battle. APUs were neat and the battle intense.

    Trinity getting to see the sun and cloud tops drove home the idea of having always lived underground and never seeing daylight.

  41. Rooting for Death by N8F8 · · Score: 2, Funny

    By the end of that scen I was mentally screaming for her to die.

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  42. Self-replicating comments by kahei · · Score: 2, Funny


    Look... an endless stream of near-identical /. comments about how bad the sequels were!

    The only way to defeat them is to stand still and wave a rubber pole at them for something like twenty minutes.

    I only hope I can manage that before they morph into a more powerful strain of /. comments about how unbelievably dreadful Trinity's death scene was (the last 15 minutes were the worst).

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  43. Re:pound this by k31bang · · Score: 5, Funny

    b b b b buuuuuuut google is my friend!!!!!

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  44. Re:Admit it - the sequels are actually really cool by somoney · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree ... I like them all very much. Any Slashdot reader who likes Anime should have liked the 3rd one since it had all the taste of Anime during the final fight. Too many people, IMO, just didn't get it all in the end. Oh well...

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  45. To those mouthing off by Floet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Granted, it could be said subjectively that the first Matrix movie was the best of the trilogy, but quite frankly, it makes me very annoyed that people would have the gall to badmouth the series the way they do. Is the Matrix Trilogy a cinematic classic that will be taught and lauded for decades to come? Short answer, no. But the way most of you geeks blab on and on about the piss-poor quality of the movies, you'd think that given the helm, and a word-processor that whatever "film," you produced would rise above the level of tripe.

    Before I am flamed, I undertsand that everyone does have their own opinion, and is entitled to that opinion, but because a movies didn't follow the path you thought they would, doesn't make it utter shit. They (the Wachoski *siblings*) were able to make something very philosophical, even if it wasn't Pantheon worthy, while at the same tiem incorporating enough so that the mundanes would actually enjoy it. Add to that decent characterization, and a sustained theme throughout all three movies.

    Personally, I found the second movie, sans dance sequence, to be the best of the bunch. Even though the computer graphics were a bit over the top, it did give much to think about. Did everyone forget the discussion with the Architect was in there? And that he essentially gave the whole philosophical underpinnings to the movies in the tirade? I could understand how many people would not understand the philosophy, but to you computer nerds, its rooted in math!!!

    To those who say the ending sucked at the end of the third, I have no comment. Yes, it was something of a flaccid penis instead of the money shot, but look at it in relation the rest of it. Neo is the 1. Not the ONE, or One, but the 1. The Matrix is an equation, or rather supposed to be a balanced equation. The Architect spells out that because of a flaw, a 1 results in the equation, and manifests itself in the Matrix. Neo. I know everyone may already know this, but keep with me. When Neo talks with the Oracle, she says that Smith is his opposite, due to the Matrix trying to balance itself. Hmmm, Neo, is one...Smith is...? -1. Period. Therefore, neither of them can really *win* they can only beat themselves into battered pulps. Neo realizes this, and stops fighting. Yea, even dumbass Neo realizes it. Now, to all you advanced theoretical math types that prowl these forums, 1+(-1)=?

    Ahh, the balancing of the Matrix.

    Weak? Maybe. Deus ex Machina? Certainly not. They cement reasons that everything happened, even though it may not have happened as you would have fantasized. So I reiterate what I said again, this time as a challenge. To those mouthing off, make something, or even just conceptualize something that you think is better than the Matrix concept. Add to that, how you would execute it. Until then, just shut your mouths and read a book.

    1. Re:To those mouthing off by UberOogie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why is it that the endless Matrix apologists can't seem to fathom that there are those of us who do understand the "philosophy" behind the movies, got the oh-so-clever references that were crowbarred in at every opportunity, and still see the films for what they are: weak, derivative, poorly-plotted eye-candy with a dash of pretension?

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    2. Re:To those mouthing off by RazorX90 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Neo is the 1

      Matrix exited with error code 1

    3. Re:To those mouthing off by DeltaSigma · · Score: 2

      The Matrix did some things really well. And I mean really well.

      Some things were even ('No') better (*Gasp*) than Lord of the Rings ('He didn't just say that!').

      Keep in mind I'm not saying that Matrix is better, there were just aspects better executed, and I'm sure plenty will (anxiously) agree that there were aspects which are worse.

      However let's look at both. They're fictional war movies. Thus they both have two sides to the same story. Now here's my problem with the LotR trilogy:

      We've got the bad guys, and the good guys. That's it! That's all of it. Here's a bunch of different races aligned with evil, and here's a bunch of races aligned with good, and they have to battle and we're left to wonder who's going to win.

      Deep.

      Anyhow, then we have the Matrix trilogy. And here's the eff'ing beauty of the Matrix trilogy. We have two sides to this war. One side, properly depicted during the birth to be "evil." And one side, properly depicted during the birth to be "good." However they're not good and evil, and this is revealed over the course of the trilogy. They're different sides, different opinions. Both sides are doing what is best for themselves.

      We learn ultimately that both sides want the same thing. Neo, Morpheus, the Oracle, the Architect, every control built within the Matrix, every breath exhaled by an occupant of Zion. It's all been building for centuries up to the point of the last movie. Every freaking piece of the puzzle was trying desperately to complete the puzzle. And it wasn't until one individual (no, not neo, smith) decided to mess the puzzle up, that we finally saw the end.

      That's the beautiful thing about Matrix vs LotR (the movies) in this respect. You can track everything back throughout every movie and it's all attempting to contribute to peace. Every bullet fired, every step taken, every flight, every fall, every love and betrayal. Every-freaking thing coming together. Everything being resolved in the end.

      Smith told us how Matrix was beating LotR ever since Reloaded. Over and over he said it, "Purpose."

  46. Re:Admit it - the sequels are actually really cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Something I once used as a nickname, the phrase "Each line of the program creating a new effect, much like poetry", which compares poetry to the art of coding and programming, made a friend of mine particularly happy, he liked the phrase a lot, being a programmer himself. Of course then I told him it's not my phrase, it's from the Bros.

    The Merovingian, the French guy, says it while he's analyzing what is cause and effect in the restaurant. My friend did see the movie, it's just that at that time everyone was checking out Monica's big and large "assets", and failed to listen to this, may I say, quite interesting and beautiful comparison.

    Now when one says "the philosophy" of the movies, I guess most people just hear that, "the philosophy", which they'll probably think it's the whole "humans vs machines", and should we create or not create machines, because one day they may turn against us.
    But that's not all "the philosophy", specially since the sequels introduced many more themes, themes which for the majority of the viewers seem to be pretty much inexistent, themes like cause and effect, what makes us tick, why we do the things we do, also choice, explored in the first movie, is grandly expanded in the sequels.
    There's also exploration on the themes of ressurection, the whole science aspect of the Matrix, how it works, the reaching of the Nirvana state, the choice to sacrifice oneself as so many did in the movies, like Trinity, the Oracle, Neo, the parents of the girl Sati, Captain Mifune (the captain of the mechs).
    Now most of these themes make sense to think about in the world today, we see in the movies people who are capable of giving themselves up for others, something badly needed in our world, a sense of sacrifice for another. I can't see how that is meaningless.

    I mean, the whole point of view on love by the program Rama Kandra, father of the little girl, isnt that just great, how these AI's that have been living amongst a human community seem to better understand concepts that we thought belong only to us!

    Also I fail to grasp how the majority of the geek community doesn't appreciate the many nods to programming and to guys like us, for instance with the introduction of the grand white hallway in the matrix, like a backdoor way, a programmer's maintenance corridor, or the Architect, who sees himself as the master programmer, or the usage of an appropriate hacking tool when Trinity hacks the powerplant power rerouting, or even the whole deification of Neo, who started out this journey as a simple cubicle worker, maybe even checking out slashdot.org now and then!

    Then there's the whole symbolism bit, which I do believe many of you wouldn't like exploring, because it's based on free association, there aren't rules, basically you just see something in the movie that could be similar to something else, and you make a connection, it becomes a symbolism, it means something, there's a point to be made there.
    The symbolism may mean zip to you, but for me and my essay on the movies, it was a very important way of making and stating my points, basing myself on metaphors introduced in the movies.
    And also another thing, the music, these movies have some of the best musical scores ever, specially Revolutions, with Neodammerung topping everything, I mean it's like a Wagnerian Opera with hindu lyrical chorus, that were taken straight from the Upanishads, sort of the Bible for Hinduism, and each and every line makes a point, it means something, like the first three who speak about each of the movies, and then the lyrics evolve into describing the One, the unification of all, and this exploration, this dissertation in hindu helps the viewer who is interested make sense on the choices and the why of Neo letting himself go in the final battle, accepting his destiny like a regular program would.
    Basically, while Thomas Anderson took the red pill, to get out, Neo took the blue pill in the end, he sees the good in the virtual world, sees how they can change it and change the

  47. Re:If only...Amen! by gosand · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Speaking of giving up, I think a lot of the bad feelings over the third film were because people gave up after the underwhelming second film. Perhaps the third doesn't "make up" for the second, but how could it? Watch it again and you just may find you actually like it on it's own merits.

    Agreed. Here is a tip - don't stand in line for these things at the theater. I saw the first one and frickin loved it. Saw the second one, and left kind of scratching my head. I had to hope that the third one would tie it all up. But I waited, and didn't go see it in the theater. I read all the bad reviews. Then I rented it - and thought it was better than the 2nd one. It wasn't THAT bad. Not great, but better than a lot of the reviews I read.

    Everyone talks about the "movie theater experience", but I just don't get it. Other than bigger and louder, the theater experience just is not as good to me. No, I am not one of those people with the 5.1 surround and a 60" TV. I have basic surround and a 27" TV, and I still enjoy movies more at home than at the theater. Cheaper food, more comfortable, I can go pee without missing any of the movie, etc. I don't need to share the experience with a hundred other people.

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  48. 6 disks too many. by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean, come on...one disk for each movie (don't give me extended versions unless you actually filmed extra footage to include later on special DVDs ala "Lord of the Rings"...seeing footage that was cut because it SHOULD have been cut is not my cup-of-tea. See the extended version of "Dune" and "Superman: The Movie" for stuff that should have stayed out...."Otis, feed the babies"...nuff said....

    Ok, we have 3 disks there with plenty of room for commentary tracks. Then we can have an extra disk for the Animatrix shorts AND all the "Making Of" docs you want. There...saved ya 6 other disks. Something tells me that they're not filling up to full capacity the DVD's.

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    1. Re:6 disks too many. by Kelerain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (don't give me extended versions unless you actually filmed extra footage to include later on special DVDs ala "Lord of the Rings"...seeing footage that was cut because it SHOULD have been cut is not my cup-of-tea.)

      The new footage was filmed specially for the 'Enter the Matrix' video game, which takes place in parallel to the film, following the story of Niobe and Ghost. You see/help them do things such as playing catchup on the freeway chase, and going to the power plant to destroy it. The parallel game idea was nice, but it didn't work out so well. I'm glad they are releasing a version that includes the footage because it helps with the subplot quite a bit.

    2. Re:6 disks too many. by BoneFlower · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sometimes footage is cut not because it sucks, but because the director is told "This movie cannot exceed 90 minutes"... thus forcing said director to cut otherwise good footage that *should* be in there.

      Also, as the other poster said, it inserts the video game stuff.

  49. Re:Admit it - the sequels are actually really cool by myside · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, I'll take it a bit farther. I thought the second one was the best of the lot. It had more kung fu and less dialog.

  50. Re:Admit it - the sequels are actually really cool by Bluesman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Except she would have seen the sun in the Matrix, so it wouldn't have been THAT fascinating.

    Hell, she wore sunglasses almost the entire time. What were they for?

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  51. So what're they gonna call the box set? by Not_Wiggins · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The Matrix Trilogy Re-Marketed?"

    Seems more like a ploy to recoup costs on the third movie. Anybody else notice when the third movie came out on DVD they weren't pushing the movie for movie sake, but trying to capitalize on the "own the trilogy" angle?

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  52. Brits were shortchanged on the original DVD by Andy_R · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here in the land of the vanishing currency symbol, the first film was cut in 2 places by our film censors (they demanded about 1 second of head-butting be cut from 2 fight scenes).

    For the DVD, we lost the 'music only, no dialogue' bonus soundtrack that was present on the other region 2 DVDs entirely, because they couldn''t be bothered syncing up that version of the audio or finding 1 one-second bits to splice into the fights.

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  53. I freely admit it! by ghost_world · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In fact, the overwhelming negative response to the second movie was entirely predictable well before it was even made. Expectations are a HUGE part of people's ejoyment of entertainment, so it was utterly impossible that the sequal to The Matrix could be widely enjoyed. After the nearly religeous zeal (need I say "cult") surrounding the first movie, everyone's expectations were unacheivably high. But after that dissapointment had been experienced, expectations for the third movie were more reasonable... and lo and behold, many more people liked it (many still hated it, but I think that was still residual expectations from the first one).

    Anyway, despite a few painful scenes, and after I convinced myself not to dwell on comparisons with the original, I really enjoyed both Reloaded and Revolutions. Besides being entertaining, they had some interesting stuff to think about... and I like thinking about things.

  54. Obligatory DBZ joke by shigelojoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    How many DBZ characters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    Only one, but it takes three episodes.

  55. Re:In U.S. Dollars by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'd imagine the reference is to the UK (actually EU) sales tax, "VAT" (Value Added Tax), which will be 17.5% for this DVD set. Why is this relevent? Well, in the UK the custom (by law) is to quote prices including sales taxes. So the 44.99GBP price includes that 17.5% making the pre-tax price... erm... 38.29GPB.

    So to get the US price, you need to start with 38.29GBP and convert that to dollars, not 44.99GBP. Otherwise you're also converting the sales tax.

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  56. Something tells me.. by acariquara · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...suprnova.org is going to be in need of some new servers real soon.

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  57. Now I know why I thought it sucked. by mabu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe that's my fault. I didn't enter the movie theatre HIGH.

  58. Re:Admit it - the sequels are actually really cool by Card · · Score: 2, Funny

    Andy? Is that you?

  59. Not getting it by Devil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I got my copies of The Matrix and The Animatrix used at Blockbuster; two for twenty dollars. Why would I want the other two films, both of which were abyssmal?

  60. Re:ext version of Dune by anakin876 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh Man, if I could get a version without those 80's guitars in it, I would be so happy. Every time something that should have been stirring or emotional occurs, Toto comes in with those damn guitars to take away all my enjoyment

  61. Re:Much cooler tag lines by Jonavin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "You never really know someone until you fight with them"

    That line is actually a popular Chinese saying. Not sure it's a proverb or just a saying made popular by Kung-Fu flicks. In any case... nothing orginal here, move along.