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The New York Times On Earth's Magnetic Flip-Flop

TolkiEinstein writes "The New York Times reports that, relatively speaking, compasses may soon point South. It's long been known that Earth flips magnetically every half-million years or so, and, with the north pole's magnetic field at about 10-15 percent [less than] its strength of 150 years ago, many geologists feel a flip is coming up. Computer simulations also suggest that the current state of the magnetic field is indicative of an upcoming flip. Though it would take hundreds of years to complete, the impact on life may be significant but not catastrophic, including phenomena such as power-outages, satellite malfunctions and disruptions in the rhythmic functions of some animals such as loggerhead turtles. The EU plans to launch a trio of satellites in 2009 to assume polar orbits & monitor the field." (Cross your fingers for some nice solar wind.) Update: 07/13 17:02 GMT by T : Note: the summary here originally misstated the Times' article; the field 's strength has decreased 10-15 percent, rather than to 10-15 percent.

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  1. Bush's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sure this is Bush's fault, somehow, according to the left. I'm waiting for Peter Jennings to blame this one on Bush.

    1. Re:Bush's fault by malchus842 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Modded funny, but you just watch - people WILL blame the government when it happens. No matter how much you try to explain, no matter how clear the explainations are, a significant number of people are going to blame the government.

      It's also the case that whoever is in office is going to get burned by the problems - blamed for "lack of preparedness" or "failure to respond to the situation" etc, etc. And there will be calls for huge governmennt expenditures to "fix" or "solve" the problem.

  2. Worldwide Aurora by TyrranzzX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And, since the magnetic field will be weakened, there'll be a supposed worldwide 24/7 aurora. Now that's kewl.

    1. Re:Worldwide Aurora by PhxBlue · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Someone watched "The Core" one time too many. Earth's magnetic field does nothing to deflect UV radiation. I would recommend lead-lined clothing, not more sunblock. :)

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    2. Re:Worldwide Aurora by JosKarith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope - just the DNA in the outer few millimeters of your body.
      The penetration isn't good because they expend all their energy quickly.
      Think of it like birdshot from a shotgun - the penetration isn't exactly great but you'd rather be hit on an armoured bit any day
      Hell, who needs skin anyway? It's so...millenial.

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  3. I for one.. by caston · · Score: 5, Funny
    I for one welcome myself as part of the new Australian overlords...

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  4. Turtles by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 5, Funny
    "and disruptions in the rhythmic functions of some animals such as loggerhead turtles. "

    Could they have possibly picked a more random animal for that example?

    And won't someone please think of the turtles?!?!?!?!?!

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    1. Re:Turtles by sould · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Could they have possibly picked a more random animal for that example?

      For some reason this made me curious about turtles & magnetism- a little research turned up this guy's page about turtle migration at UNC.

      It includes this gem:

      To determine how turtles respond to magnetic fields that exist in different parts of the ocean or to magnetic field elements (such as inclination and intensity) that they encounter while migrating, each hatchling was placed into a nylon-Lycra harness as shown below. [empaphis mine]

      Image is here

  5. Hollywood Blockbuster? by BigDork1001 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Am I the only one who sees this becoming the next Hollywood blockbuster disaster movie? They've done asteroids, tidal waves, volcanos, global warming/cooling, alien invasion, and so they have to be digging for ideas. And of course in true Hollywood fashion they'll toss science out of the window for the sake of a better film.

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    1. Re:Hollywood Blockbuster? by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 5, Funny
      And of course in true Hollywood fashion they'll toss science out of the window for the sake of a better film.

      Rephrase this: "...for the sake of more special effects."

    2. Re:Hollywood Blockbuster? by mork · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Am I the only one who sees this becoming the
      > next Hollywood blockbuster disaster movie?

      They have, see "The Core"

      > And of course in true Hollywood fashion
      > they'll toss science out of the window for the
      > sake of a better film

      They did ...

    3. Re:Hollywood Blockbuster? by julesh · · Score: 4, Informative

      They did ...

      That should have been linked to the "insultingly stupid movie physics" review.

  6. magnetic disks by psyklopz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had my homework al done, but the magnetic poles flipped and wiped my harddrive...

    1. Re:magnetic disks by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 4, Funny

      > try turning your hard drive around...what happens?

      It makes this kind of "screeee" sound. Is that bad?

  7. Donate Fridge Magnets Now! by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if we all donated spare refrigerator magnets, magnets from old hard disks, etc. and carefully arranged them at the north and south poles. These giant piles would hold the poles in place. Perhaps a lucky chain letter spam from Bill Gates would help get people to donate magnets to the cause.

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    1. Re:Donate Fridge Magnets Now! by Scarblac · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just be careful to cut them in half first, sending the north half to the north pole and vice versa, because otherwise it wouldn't work of course.

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  8. Time for the editor to RTFA by johnmig · · Score: 5, Informative

    It has to be pointed out that there is a significant difference between "The field's strength has waned 10 to 15 percent." which is what the article says; and "the north pole's magnetic field at about 10-15 percent it's strength of 150 years ago" which is what Timothy says. The former means that the field strength is still 85 to 90 percent of the original value (still nearly intact), while the latter means that it is only 10-15 percent of that value (nearly gone). This distiction not insignificant. That being said, it's still neat to follow (even though I don't think that I'll be around at the end).

  9. Re:Mayan Calendar ends in 2012, coincidence ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The seasons are such because of the earth's tilt, rather than any magnetic effects.

    If you have kde run kworldwatch in speeded up mode to watch the sunlight distribution.

  10. Re:Mayan Calendar ends in 2012, coincidence ??? by Aardpig · · Score: 5, Informative

    It will be hilarous if the poles flip about the time the Mayan calendar ends, hopefully it will go as gracefully as scientists have predicted.

    Unlikely, since a full flip takes a few hundred years; it is not a sudden, catastrophic effect.

    As The southern hemisphere has its winter during our summer, I am wondering if the seasons will flip flop as well ???

    Unlikely, since the seasons are defined by the orientation of the Earth's rotation axis to its Solar orbital axis; they have nothing whatsoever to do with the magnetic axis.

    I also wonder if the polar shift will effect magma flows ...

    Unlikely; the fields are far to weak, and get even weaker during a field reversal.

    I wonder if the magnetic field has any effect on plate tectonics too .

    Unlikely, for the reasons I give above.

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  11. Typical - So typical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    As is the case with most /. posts, paying attention to detail gets thrown out the window.

    From the poster's text:

    "and, with the north pole's magnetic field at about 10-15 percent it's strength of 150 years ago"

    From the article itself:

    "The field's strength has waned 10 to 15 percent, and the deterioration has accelerated of late"

    Those two quotes are not the same. The poster's lack of attention to detail has turned the articles 10 to 15 percent reduction (a relative value) into a 10 to 15 percent strength (an absolute value). The meaning is totally different, and the poster should apologize for spreading mis-information.

    1. Re:Typical - So typical by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Poor editing, or should I say the apparent total lack of, is among the reasons Slashdot will always remain relegated to a novelty site of sorts; among the reasons I won't buy a membership here.

      I don't understand why the Slashdot staff doesn't at least briefly research considered submissions to ensure they're are not dups and, more importantly, are accurate; spell checking submissions before posting them would be helpful too.

      End of my rant ... now relaxing knowing the pole reversal is likely not going to happen anytime soon.

  12. This would be good but by orin · · Score: 4, Funny

    This would be good for Australia. No longer "down under" ... finally "on top".

  13. Interesting Show by fdiskne1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I had heard about this theory, but never believed it. Then I saw a Nova show on PBS called Magnetic Storm. It's very well made and very interesting. By the end of the show, I believed the poles are set to reverse and it's just a fact of nature. Nothing we can do about it except research and prepare our way of life so things don't go to Hell in a handbasket.

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  14. Magnetic chaos by Nosher · · Score: 5, Informative

    Then real fun with the flipping of the magnetic field is not that it moves uniformly from one pole to another over time, but that as it breaks down, tens or hundreds of "north" and "south" poles can develop which are spread all over the planet - see this article in New Scientist. With any luck, maybe my house might end up at one of these new "North Poles" for a while, so at least I can say I've been there :-)

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  15. Re:Bush's fault? No... by N+Monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    I blame it on too many people walking around wearing tin foil hats.

  16. Re:Hope we don't get irradiated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a geologist and can tell you there has never been an extinction event associated with or correlated to a magnetic reversal. These are common events that have taken place quite a few times since life arose on this planet.

    For whatever reason everything will turn out ok. That being said, they didn't have computers and power grids back then.

  17. He'll have to add this one to his "Axis of evil." by b0r0din · · Score: 4, Funny

    "After careful consultation with my administration's junk scientists, we have expanded our Axis of Evil to include the earth's axis as well. This rogue, um, thingy is responsible for the destruction of...does this thing say turtles? But...we don't care about...oh...anyway, this rogue "magnetic thingy" can only be stopped by drilling in the Alaskan oil reserves, therefore stopping all magnetism from happening. These weapons of magnetic disruption must be stopped at all costs."

  18. Why read the Times for Science? by arrogance · · Score: 5, Informative
    How about Scientific American for how long the reversals take?
    the average duration of a reversal is close to 7,000 years. The analysis further suggests that the timescale of the transition differs at various latitudes. During the last polarity shift, approximately 790,000 years ago, sites close to the equator underwent the 180-degree change over the course of 2,000 years, but the process took closer to 10,000 years in midlatitude regions.
    There's also a good article on WHY the reversals take place by Gary A. Glatzmaier, the guru of terran magnetic reversals. You gotta specialize in something I guess.
  19. Re:Less a flip and more a migration... by phillymjs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You wouldn't go to sleep one night with your compass pointing north and suddenly have it point south when you woke up.

    No. In fact, frequently the opposite is what actually happens.

    ~Philly

  20. What about Santa? by SkreamNet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Has anyone thought of his relocation???

  21. Magnetic Reversals by JollyGreenLlama · · Score: 5, Informative
    The Geological Survey of Canada has a well written and informative article on this subject. Some basic findings from the article include:

    "Although fast by geological standards, reversals are by no means quick on the human time scale. They take roughly 5,000 years, with estimates ranging from 1,000 years and 8,000 years.

    Both the total magnetic field and its dipole component decrease substantially during a reversal to values that range from 10% to 25% of the pre-reversal strength.

    A reversal does not proceed in a uniform fashion. Large and rapid changes in direction and intensity are punctuated by periods of little change. During some transitions the field starts to change but then rebounds to near normal before the reversal finally goes to completion.

    The scarcity and ambiguity of observations have led to two competing theories explaining how the magnetic field pattern changes, and how the magnetic poles behave during a reversal. According to one theory, the magnetic field remains predominantly dipolar during a reversal, and the poles migrate along preferred paths from one hemisphere to the other. According to another theory, the dipole portion of the magnetic field shrinks to zero but then regrows with opposite polarity. During the interval during which there is no dipole, the non-dipole part of the field persists, and the magnetic poles would not migrate in a systematic fashion."

    While the article does little to posit the consequences of these competing theories, it does provide a good deal of insight as to why and when the changes occur. It does conclude, however, that "many investigators believe that the trend [magnetic pole weakening] will not continue and the field will regain its strength, as it has many times in the past."
  22. Re:Why read deliberate dis-info at all. . ? by October_30th · · Score: 5, Interesting
    that the evidence is being picked and then editorially filtered by very biased men.

    As a Physicist I can tell you that that is exactly like science works and that it has worked well for centuries.

    There is a method that, when put bluntly, is like this: "If you put forward an extraordinary, off-mainstream hypothesis you've better a) come from a respectable university/research group, b) show some extraordinary, easily reproducible evidence for it too and c) get ready for some serious ad hominem bashing, ridicule and possibly loss of funds". It all comes with the territory.

    I'm glad popular science mags like SA adhere to this standard.

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  23. Ok, who did it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There was a big "DO NOT PUSH" sign right next to the degauss button!

  24. Thank God by teebo80 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not a loggerhead turtle

  25. Yeah, we're in big trouble. by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Have you noticed how many foolish ideas have flourished in this supposed hotbead of intellegence this morning? According to the last poll responses, I'm guessing the average IQ is above 130 here (and well above most of your bosses).

    Even if some posts are in jest, we've had folks questioning the results of a simple magnetic shift affecting the direction of the coreolis affect, (toilet flushes), tilt of the earth (seasons), loss of the atmosphere, and viability of all satellites in orbit.

    Even if it happened over a couple years (which it doesn't), the only affect I've seen which is certain to happen is that the Government will be blamed for it.

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  26. Bizarro World by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 4, Funny

    So once the poles finish reversing, will I have to hack my GPS receiver and invert its display to make its compass point to the new "North" pole?

    And will we have to switch around all the highway signs so that I-95 North heads towards Mexico and I-95 South leads to Canda?

    And will we have to rename North and South Dakota, North and South Carolina, etc?

    The hell with the loggerhead turtles, I've got serious questions that need to be answered! :-)

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  27. Re:Hope we don't get irradiated... by Sepper · · Score: 4, Funny

    And a whole lot of floppies and backup tapes erased...

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  28. This happens frequently... not a reversal by goatbar · · Score: 5, Informative
    Okay yall... being a paleomagnetist and dealing with this topic all the time, I have to say that it is NOT LIKELY that this is the beginning of a reversal. The field goes up and down at all kinds of frequencies. If you look at a graph of the Sint 800 (sorry it's a tiny figure) you will see all sorts of ups and downs for the last 800000 years during the bruhnes normal period. The last big low is called the Laschamp and was about 35-40 thousand years ago. Today's field is so far above that.

    The magnetic field is a 'random process'. There is no real good statistical predictor of when the next reversal will happen.