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DEFCON 12 - After the Hangover

DECula writes "Humphrey Cheung has written an excellent article for Tomshardware about what WAS Defcon 12. The combination of talks about a BlueSniper antenna and BlueSnarfing was a good match."

135 comments

  1. Hangover? by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

    Its not a real convention hangover unless your first words after getting up are "oh yea, I married that chick last night". Which is not likely given the male/female ratio at Defcon.

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    1. Re:Hangover? by mgoodman · · Score: 1, Funny

      correction: its not a *real* hangover unless the your first words after getting up are "oh yea, I married that *dude* last night"

      That is much more likely given the ratio and complete inability for male nerds to get along with members of the opposite sex...

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    2. Re:Hangover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost as bad would be having fuzzy memories of drinking the biggest margarita ever, then finding salt on the toilet seat rim in the morning.

    3. Re:Hangover? by gnarled · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      In some back-holes of Earth, that's not legally possible.

      Like Missouri?

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    4. Re:Hangover? by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      Considering that in Nevada, prostitution is legal, and that Las Vegas is full of on-call whores, it's very possible. You've got a ton of guys with expendable incomes, drinks, boredom and lonliness in a whore-filled city.

      I bet at least one guy accidentally married a hooker.

    5. Re:Hangover? by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 0

      Prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas.

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    6. Re:Hangover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand there's a county with a small population OUTSIDE LV where prostitution is legal, primarily because they have such a small population still.

      I cannot verify this, however, but I did see it on PBS or a similar channel.

    7. Re:Hangover? by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1

      Prostitution is definitely legal in Reno. No, that's not from personal experience.

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    8. Re:Hangover? by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1
      Its not a real convention hangover unless your first words after getting up are "oh yea, I married that chick last night". Which is not likely given the male/female ratio at Defcon.

      Perhaps this might help explain the opposition towards legalizing same-sex marriages...

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    9. Re:Hangover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when? I get whores everytime I'm there!

  2. Man by Em+Emalb · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is there another field that has as many useless acronyms and busswords as the IT industry?

    I mean, hell, you can't even describe it without USING A DAMNED ACRONYM.

    Sheesh.

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    1. Re:Man by savagedome · · Score: 4, Funny

      IT industry?
      without USING A DAMNED ACRONYM

      See the irony in the post?

    2. Re:Man by Em+Emalb · · Score: 1

      Isn't it obvious?

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    3. Re:Man by doombob · · Score: 1

      So you're saying you can't describe IT without UADA?

    4. Re:Man by krgallagher · · Score: 1
      " Is there another field that has as many useless acronyms and busswords as the IT industry?"

      Yes! Telecom which is a superset of the networking acronyms from IT.

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    5. Re:Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > USING A DAMNED ACRONYM

      Huh? I don't understand these acronyms. Can you please elaborate?

    6. Re:Man by WD_40 · · Score: 1

      People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms.

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    7. Re:Man by severoon · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. It's not obvious. Click on my sig and read up on what irony is.

      What he said isn't ironic...it's just funny.

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    8. Re:Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Data" is a plural word you utter goon. Note I use "is" because I'm talking about the word itself. But data are what you have when you have more than one datum.

    9. Re:Man by david.given · · Score: 2, Funny
      IT industry? without USING A DAMNED ACRONYM

      See the irony in the post?

      ACRONYM: A Contrived Reduction Of Nomenclature, Yielding Mnemonics.

    10. Re:Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are one of those people that goes "THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THAT JOKE WAS..." about every joke. I dont like you.

    11. Re:Man by Keebler71 · · Score: 1

      try the military IT community...

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    12. Re:Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Data can be a collective noun, only a muppet says "data are...".

    13. Re:Man by severoon · · Score: 1

      Ok, apparently my post uses too many big words for you to handle it. Fine, then, don't read it...check the word over at dictionary.com, feel humiliated when you realize you're wrong, and then I'll accept your apology. :p

      You probably already know you're wrong, though...I notice you posted AC.

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  3. what does... by Kjuib · · Score: 0

    DEFCON stand for anyways?

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    1. Re:what does... by natron+2.0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      DEFense CONference

    2. Re:what does... by 5m477m4n · · Score: 5, Informative

      DEFCON stand for anyways?

      In the Government it stands for: DEFense CONdition or DEFense readiness CONditions

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    3. Re:what does... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, but CON in this case usually stands for CONference or CONvention.

  4. Wall of Sheep by darth_MALL · · Score: 3, Funny

    I need one of those where I work. Each time you appear on the list, you get docked $50 from your pay :) Now to get it past the management.

    1. Re:Wall of Sheep by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      I'd start a Wall of Black Sheep list. I'd leak a password in the clear or lightly encrypted, then list everyone who tried it. Maybe they could have a Penalty Box at the con for people who got caught?

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    2. Re:Wall of Sheep by gurneyh · · Score: 1

      What a moron... This reporter can't even read. It's the wall of "Shame". I remember when it was just a sheet of paper posted on an actual wall and the passwords weren't truncated to protect the stupid. Then again, I've been going to Defcon for over 10 years.

    3. Re:Wall of Sheep by not5150 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Negative... It started as the Wall of Shame and then was changed to the Wall of Sheep.

      The reason was there was a guy walking around with a "I F*** Sheep" Shirt. The guys thought that the people who sent cleartext passwords were like a herd of sheep. And the name stuck...

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    4. Re:Wall of Sheep by gurneyh · · Score: 1

      Then why does it clearly say "Wall of Shame" in the image in the article and the video? The bottom of the screen says "More than XXX Digital Sheep and Counting" but the title is what it is and has been for many years.

      I suggest you hook up with some con veterans and not hang out with noobs.

    5. Re:Wall of Sheep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't change the fact that it's still absolutly lame.

      Off all the groups at defcon, the "raped sheep"/"wall of shame"/"wall of sheep" people are the worst.

      About three or four years ago they discovered password sniffers on their windows boxen, and the entire group sat there writing passwords on paper plates. They without a doubt are the biggest posers at all of defcon.

    6. Re:Wall of Sheep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Um, hello, if you were actually there, you'd know that "Shame" was crossed through with a red slash, with the word sheep above it to the left.

      Anyone who was a supposed "Veteran" would know that, I sat about 5 feet from that projector.

    7. Re:Wall of Sheep by not5150 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think 1. You need to get your eyes checked... or 2. You actually didn't go.

      Here is a screenshot from the projecting laptop.
      http://www.not5150.com/wallofsheep.png

      Also if you RFTA'ed, You would see that I interviewed the guy who made and coded the wall.

      Humphrey Cheung
      Editor - www.tomshardware.com
      Webmaster - www.not5150.com (300+ Extreme Videos)

    8. Re:Wall of Sheep by gurneyh · · Score: 1

      Ok, "Wall of Shame^H^H^H^H^HSheep". Very funny, whatever.

      I guess if you code the app. then you can call it whatever you want and insert your own personal jokes. That's the way it goes (and rightly so). For many of us it will continue to be the "Wall of Shame" whether it is a slick app. projected via laptop or scraps of paper pinned to the wall.

      I'm wrong. You're right. U R 2 31337 4 M3.

      Why no, I'm not old an bitter. Why do you ask?

    9. Re:Wall of Sheep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "About three or four years ago they discovered password sniffers on their windows boxen, and the entire group sat there writing passwords on paper plates. They without a doubt are the biggest posers at all of defcon."

      Judging by your surley response, I conclude that you've been caught out by these "posers" and are therefore a sheep.

    10. Re:Wall of Sheep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOLOLOLOL!!!1 Dumbass. If I had the points, I would mod you into the ground.

  5. SuicideGirls by xenostar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Omg! There's a suicidegirls password on that board!

    1. Re:SuicideGirls by SKPhoton · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but the image on Tom's Hardware kinda stinks. There's a better one on page 2 of this gallery.

    2. Re:SuicideGirls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even funnier, it's saruman's password. I have seen him around the boards. Hilarious!

    3. Re:SuicideGirls by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      You won't even tell us what the password is? You insensitive clod.

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  6. Wait...where are.... by cephyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where are the obligatory 100 pictures of weirded out booth babes?

    What? It's not that kind of convention?

    Crap. That's not much of a convention at all then...

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    1. Re:Wait...where are.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, unlike corp conventions, people actually get laid at DefCon, sometimes even women that have been attending it with us for the last 5-7 years and not the Extremely Skanky Scenewhores that keep showing up for one year only.

  7. Spot the Fed error by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny
    The feds that are "caught" take everything in stride and everyone has a good laugh. [an error occurred while processing this directive]
    Obviously this breaks some sort of natural law.
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  8. aghhh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't we discuss this the other day...

  9. Re:Where da white wimmen at? by natron+2.0 · · Score: 0, Redundant


    good ones here from DEFCON 12...

    http://www.timekiller.org/gallery/SomeChick

  10. slashdotted already? by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

    Is this site slashdotted or do I not know how to click with my left mouse button?

    1. Re:slashdotted already? by mailtomomo · · Score: 2, Funny

      depends : my left or your left ?

    2. Re:slashdotted already? by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      So it's you that's behind my computer screen watching my every action!

      Is there something stuck in my teeth?

    3. Re:slashdotted already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. One of my pubes.

  11. pictures by SKPhoton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Defcon was great. plenty of pictures are up for your post-Defcon viewing enjoyment.

    1. Re:pictures by rasz · · Score: 1

      OMFG, I have never EVER in my life seen so many fat chicks in one place. EVER.
      Serious, You folks in states are doomed, those babes, they are not simply fat, they are not even ms.PEGGY fat, they are FAAAAAAAT HOGGY style. Fat all over the place, liquid belly, 3 chins and all :(
      Russian porno sites dont even come close to that one, they got 3-5 fat chicks at max, and now it looks like they imported them from states. I have no idea what are you waiting for ? BAN mc.Donald at once. Or move to europe.

    2. Re:pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yah, the chicks in all the defcon pictures I've seen aren't even defcon hot. There were some defcon hot chicks though, but by defcon hot, I of course mean they're only hot when your totally wasted at defcon, if you're wasted anywhere else, they wont look hot.

  12. Is it just me.. by MinusBlindfold · · Score: 1

    or do all of these pictures from Defcon look like they were taken at a giant IRC meet?

  13. Fight! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Anyone know what happened in that fight they mentioned in the tomshardware article? I read this earlier and I was curious.

    1. Re:Fight! by cexshun · · Score: 4, Informative

      The fight was crazy. Basically the kid told the crowd to go to the Republican Convention and "Fuck up their shit" via any means possible. He told everyone to hack the website, use DDoS attacks, etc. He must be a fucking moron to start talking politics at a hacker convention.

      Basically, the crowd got pissed at his anti-free speech talk and started giving him shit. Security cut the talk short, and the crowd mobbed the stage to start firing questions at this punk. Eventually, 1 guy got nose to nose with the speaker, which is when he was wisked away by security.

    2. Re:Fight! by Bryan+Gividen · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean rimmed glasses to rimmed glasses with the guy?

      *shrug* Eh, can't help but troll to get modded funny....

  14. Did you know...? by TheKingOfTorts · · Score: 3, Funny

    defcon stands for DEFinitely CONned out of a social life.

  15. Team Tsunami by blackrobe28 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the pic sites has several photos of team Tsunami locked into an epic FPS netgame, complete with multicolored LAN cables and cans of soda, right before showcasing the team learning how to use REAL firearms at one of Nevada's many target ranges.....

    One might doubt the wisdom of issuing sniper rifles and live ammunition to Counter Strike junkies.

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    1. Re:Team Tsunami by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, the survivors might breed. Good point.

  16. Good article by inerte · · Score: 4, Funny

    I only disagreed with a few points raised on it. For example, where it [an error occurred while processing this directive], it was kinda dumb.

    On the next page, the analisys [an error occurred while processing this directive], again, very dumb.

    Overall, a good article. But in the next time, I think we could see [an error occurred while processing this directive]

  17. Spot the Fed... by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...hehe, i gotta love a tradition such as this: both parties being good sports and enjoying the moment. You know the agents consider being "assigned" to Defcon to be treat - it's fun. New stuff, new tech, new ideas, new kids breaking the system, just good ol' fun as i see it.

    Oh lord, the oh-no-it's-not-fun-it's-against-the-law crowd will come out on this one. Seriously though, know thine enemy, what good fortune that you can enjoy the company of said "enemy". Hell, the Defcon kids enjoy knowing the "Feds" are there and will be watching. This is the cat and mouse that i admire and enjoy.

    i'm serious, good to see this tradition is still going strong. May both parties always be present, enjoy and learn....and i mean that, both parties. Happy hunting :)

    1. Re:Spot the Fed... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the feds really know who all the feds are? Share the paranoia! ;^)

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    2. Re:Spot the Fed... by not5150 · · Score: 1

      Well last year for Defcon 11... One fed on stage actually fingered another fed. Humphrey Cheung Editor - www.tomshardware.com Webmaster - www.not5150.com (300+ Extreme Videos)

    3. Re:Spot the Fed... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Perhaps not quite what I was wondering. It would be no trick to finger another fed if you knew who they all were. How many people are mistakenly spotted as feds?

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  18. Rifles by gclef · · Score: 3, Informative

    Odd that they'd mention the BlueTooth rifle, but not mentioning the Shmoo 802.11 rifle..same idea, much sexier design, dangerous power levels...like, 13 Watts. They claimed that it was dangerous to stand in front of or behind it while it was on.

    1. Re:Rifles by carbolic · · Score: 4, Informative
      These two rifles are very similar - it's what's hooked up to them that matters. The Shmoo group used a Wi-Fi system with a 27 dB amplifier, while the Flexilis group used a Class 1 Bluetooth USB adapter modded with a cable and bluedriving software. (Note: I put together the wireless hardware used on the the Bluesniper rifle.)

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    2. Re:Rifles by not5150 · · Score: 1

      I did not go to the Shmoo talk... therefore no mention of it in the article.

      Humphrey Cheung
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      Webmaster - www.not5150.com (300+ Extreme Videos)

    3. Re:Rifles by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1
      I did not go to the Shmoo talk

      Neither did I, since I was stuck in that endless line to get in. Fucking ridiculous.
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  19. Mirror by ikegami · · Score: 1

    Yup, slashdotted. Here's what I've been able to read so far.

    The 12th annual Defcon hacker convention was held at the Alexis Park Hotel in Las Vegas Nevada. For three days, hackers exchanged ideas, presented new and sometimes scary information and partied hard. More than a hundred speakers gave dozens of talks on computer security, hacking and privacy issues.

    For a mere $80 attendees received access to the talks, contests and the after-hours parties. In this article we will cover some of the more interesting contests and give you an overall feel for the convention so that you can decide whether you want to attend next year. Three download videos are included. [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Wall of Sheep

    IMG: sheep1.jpg

    The Wall of Sheep is a projector screen that displays captured usernames and passwords. The Wall, which originally was named as the Wall of Shame, is a time-honored tradition at Defcon where a loose knit group of people continuously sniffs the network for any plaintext usernames and passwords on the wired and wireless networks. Since this is a hacker convention, attendees using the Defcon network should protect their logins by using VPN, SSH or other encryption technology. Some attendees apparently didn't get the message.

    In the first few years, the usernames and passwords were written on paper plates and then taped to the wall. As the number of passwords found grew, a better solution had to be found. A computer security engineer, named "Riverside", wrote the Wall of Sheep software from scratch. He also was one of the original people who started the Wall. The usernames and passwords cycle up and down so people can see all the information gathered since the start of the convention. In addition only the first three characters of the password are shown in order to protect the privacy of the user.

    Riverside said that some people have been so ignorant in using the wireless at Defcon. He gave several examples of people who had their passwords intercepted, who then tried to change their passwords on the same insecure network, only to have the information intercepted again! Riverside examines all the new attacks at Defcon and then implements a defense at his daytime job.

    About 200-500 passwords are found every year at Defcon. The typical passwords are email, FTP and other login passwords.

    IMG: sheep2.jpg

    This year, someone was dumb enough to email their tax returns in .PDF format at the convention. This traffic was immediately intercepted and the above humorous message was displayed on the projector. Also another person was emailing people asking how to get a fake ID. This was also intercepted and displayed. I have blacked out some identifying information to protect the users' privacy. [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    As Riverside explains, "The Wall has shown people the importance of using encryption, not just at Defcon but in all network traffic. I have had security experts who have attended Black Hat, SANS and other conventions thank me for showing them how vulnerable their traffic was."

    Video

    Here is a downloadable video of the Wall of Sheep in action.

    Wall of Sheep video - 1.4 MB - 1 Minute 24 Seconds

    Spot The Fed

    IMG: spotthefed.jpg

    Another time-honored tradition at Defcon is the "Spot the Fed" contest. Attendees win shirts for spotting federal agents in the crowd. Most of the time the Feds are very easy to spot as they generally appear healthier and wear a more conservative style of clothing than the normal Defcon attendee.

    At the beginning of a ta

    1. Re:Mirror by ikegami · · Score: 1

      continued from here Bluetooth Vulnerabilities Hackers have found many flaws with Bluetooth devices. As these devices gain in popularity, the public needs to be made aware of vulnerability issues with the various Bluetooth devices such as phones, PDAs and wireless headsets. Three of the most interesting attacks were Bluesnarfing, Bluetracking and Bluebugging. Bluesnarfing is attacking the Bluetooth device, usually a phone, to rip out information. Hackers can obtain phonebooks, calendars and stored SMS messages. Bluetracking is tracking a person's movement by tracking their Bluetooth device. All Bluetooth devices have a unique address, similar to a MAC address on computer network cards. By using special sensors or antennas you can see where a particular Bluetooth device pops up and record a person's movement. [an error occurred while processing this directive] Bluebugging involves sending executable commands to the Bluetooth device. With the proper software, you could secretly turn on a phone and make it call you. Why is this important? You have just turned the phone into a listening device that can record without your target knowing it. BlueSniper IMG: bluesniper.jpg When the Flexilis team walked in with their BlueSniper Bluetooth sniper, everyone wanted to know what this evil looking contraption could do. It looks like a mutant cross between a sniper rifle and Ghostbusters particle canon, complete with nuclear backpack. Thankfully, it is a very simple device that can do one thing well: find and attack Bluetooth devices from far away. The BlueSniper is a rifle stock with a scope and yagi antenna attached. A cable attaches the antenna to the Bluetooth card, which can be in a PDA or laptop computer. The laptop can be carried in a backpack with the cables connecting into the backpack, giving it the Ghostbusters look. The Flexilis teams demonstrated the gun with some home-brewed Bluetooth scanning software. They pointed the gun down the hallways and out windows. Almost instantly, vulnerable phones with their unique Bluetooth device numbers appeared on the laptop screen. The device is powerful enough to detect devices through building walls. Video Interview Here is a downloadable interview with the Flexilis team that designed the BlueSniper Bluetooth rifle Video - 14.9 MB - 3 Minutes 16 seconds Vendor Area IMG: lockpicks.jpg The vendor area had several stores that sold everything from lockpicks to funny shirts. Most everything was available as a cash-only purchase. There are no paper trails here. Irvine Underground was selling all types of lockpicks and lockpicking manuals. They also had a practice lockpick area where attendees could try out their newly purchased picks. IMG: shirts.jpg Hackers wanting to proclaim their skills to the whole world could buy cool shirts and stickers at the Jinx.com booth. IMG: stickers.jpg Wi-Fi Shootout Contest IMG: pad.jpg Defcon had its second annual Wi-Fi Shootout contest. This contest pits teams against each other in the pursuit of the longest 802.11 link. Teams must be able to send a test message from laptop to laptop out in the searing Nevada desert. P.A.D. was the winning team with an amazing 55.1 mile successful link. This was done with regular Wi-Fi cards and no amplifier. The team said that they could have probably gone a longer distance, but they ran out of road to drive. [an error oc

  20. Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT??? by javaxman · · Score: 1
    So, does anyone know what the "Electronic Civil Disobedience and the Republican National Convention" talk covered, and what the speaker might have said to get someone riled enough that he was attacked ??

    Anyone? Details, please!!

  21. VoIP Speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I liked it when the guy figured out the phone number that they were using in the voip speech. He called up and yelled "owned" on the phone that was attached to the PA system, I fell out of my chair

    1. Re:VoIP Speech by borcharc · · Score: 1
      That was me, 0wn3d!!!!!!! lucky225 must phear :)

      licutis

  22. AirPwn by Twid · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read all about AirPwn, the best wireless remote goatse display app ever used at a Defcon, here:

    http://www.evilscheme.org/defcon/

    At Defcon 12 this year my cow-orkers and I brought along a little piece of code called "airpwn." Airpwn is a platform for injection of application layer data on an 802.11b network. Although the potential for evil is very high with this tool, we decided to demonstrate it (and give it its first real field trial) on something nasty, but harmless (compared to say, wiping your hard-drive)

    airpwn requires two 802.11b interfaces, one for listening, and another for injecting. It uses a config file with multiple config sections to respond to specific data packets with arbitrary content. For example, in the HTML goatse example, we look for any TCP data packets starting with "GET" or "POST" and respond with a valid server response including a reference to the canonical goatse image.


    (Hugs toast!)

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    1. Re:AirPwn by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      As a fallback defence at the con, drop "goax.cx 127.0.0.1" into hosts. Then have a local web server that has a cute kitty picture as /hello.jpg. (Either that or a "gotcha sucker!" graphic for when they swing in to take a picture. But don't expect to catch them with that twice.)

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    2. Re:AirPwn by ConsumedByTV · · Score: 1

      As someone that watched idiots try that, i laugh at you.

      The tool injects the data in a way that isn't possible to block unless you drop packets from the server. Tunnel your traffic if you care.

      (Hugs toast!)

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    3. Re:AirPwn by Toast · · Score: 1

      That's precisely why we have goatse image mode.. In that case, any request for an image file will return valid image data for display. No hosts entry will save you there.. :) Unless you have an IPS to block nasty pics entering your laptop, there is nothing to do but use lynx..

    4. Re:AirPwn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was at defcon, and had the "see page indicating that goatse will load soon (page header, etc.) immediately close browser" reaction, and then started tunneling all my traffic over an SSH connection.

    5. Re:AirPwn by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Which is why I wouldn't expect it to work for very long. :^) Do modern browsers have a switch to turn off graphics? (I'm sure the copy of Mosaic I keep for testing does.) If I wanted to be a smart- .. person, I'd slip in a proxy that turned all incoming pictures into cute kitty pix. Pretty silly, but better than a face-full of ass!

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    6. Re:AirPwn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proxomitron can save you.

      It'll rewrite the HTML before your browser sees it, assuming you're in windows.

      Yeah, you might have to change all image tags to use clear.gif, but...

      Or just turn off images & clear your cache. Whatever.

      Then again, if you're bringing a Windows computer to DEFCON, you're clearly insane, so yeah, stick with Lynx.

    7. Re:AirPwn by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      I swear I saw more Windows systems than Linux/BSD/Mac at DEFCON...
      Especially by the Wall of Sheep.... that place was a virtual microsoft-haven.
      I'm surprised no one did an all out Windows hack there and turn everyone into zombie systems controlled from a central point. That's the first thing that popped into my head when I saw so many ppl using Windows.

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    8. Re:AirPwn by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      Lynx? No thankie, easier to scribble up something that understands fonts. As for Windows, walking around DEFCON displaying signs of hot bright insanity would fun. (After talking precautions, like scrubbing a laptop clean before and after the convention.)

      If I was going to play games with people's wifi, I would have used a lighter touch: Only replace DoubleClick pix requests (if anyone doesn't have them blocked), only hit a particular browser program at a time, or just replace the Slashdot logo. :^) (Suggestion: use an animated GIF where the O sticks its tongue out. Make wonder if they're going insane. "Did you see that?" "What?")

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  23. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.... by mblase · · Score: 1

    ...unless someone posts the photos on the Internet the next day.

  24. Re:Mirror (continued) by ikegami · · Score: 1

    continued from here

    Bluetooth Vulnerabilities

    Hackers have found many flaws with Bluetooth devices. As these devices gain in popularity, the public needs to be made aware of vulnerability issues with the various Bluetooth devices such as phones, PDAs and wireless headsets.

    Three of the most interesting attacks were Bluesnarfing, Bluetracking and Bluebugging. Bluesnarfing is attacking the Bluetooth device, usually a phone, to rip out information. Hackers can obtain phonebooks, calendars and stored SMS messages.

    Bluetracking is tracking a person's movement by tracking their Bluetooth device. All Bluetooth devices have a unique address, similar to a MAC address on computer network cards. By using special sensors or antennas you can see where a particular Bluetooth device pops up and record a person's movement. [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Bluebugging involves sending executable commands to the Bluetooth device. With the proper software, you could secretly turn on a phone and make it call you. Why is this important? You have just turned the phone into a listening device that can record without your target knowing it.

    BlueSniper

    IMG: bluesniper.jpg

    When the Flexilis team walked in with their BlueSniper Bluetooth sniper, everyone wanted to know what this evil looking contraption could do. It looks like a mutant cross between a sniper rifle and Ghostbusters particle canon, complete with nuclear backpack. Thankfully, it is a very simple device that can do one thing well: find and attack Bluetooth devices from far away.

    The BlueSniper is a rifle stock with a scope and yagi antenna attached. A cable attaches the antenna to the Bluetooth card, which can be in a PDA or laptop computer. The laptop can be carried in a backpack with the cables connecting into the backpack, giving it the Ghostbusters look.

    The Flexilis teams demonstrated the gun with some home-brewed Bluetooth scanning software. They pointed the gun down the hallways and out windows. Almost instantly, vulnerable phones with their unique Bluetooth device numbers appeared on the laptop screen. The device is powerful enough to detect devices through building walls.

    Video Interview

    Here is a downloadable interview with the Flexilis team that designed the BlueSniper Bluetooth rifle

    Video - 14.9 MB - 3 Minutes 16 seconds

    Vendor Area

    IMG: lockpicks.jpg

    The vendor area had several stores that sold everything from lockpicks to funny shirts. Most everything was available as a cash-only purchase. There are no paper trails here.

    Irvine Underground was selling all types of lockpicks and lockpicking manuals. They also had a practice lockpick area where attendees could try out their newly purchased picks.

    IMG: shirts.jpg

    Hackers wanting to proclaim their skills to the whole world could buy cool shirts and stickers at the Jinx.com booth.

    IMG: stickers.jpg

    Wi-Fi Shootout Contest

    IMG: pad.jpg

    Defcon had its second annual Wi-Fi Shootout contest. This contest pits teams against each other in the pursuit of the longest 802.11 link. Teams must be able to send a test message from laptop to laptop out in the searing Nevada desert. P.A.D. was the winning team with an amazing 55.1 mile successful link.

  25. Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT by not5150 · · Score: 1

    The video/audio may not be released... so your guess is as good as mine. I didn't get to go to the talk but a bunch of other press guys did. Apparently the talk went downhill after he started advocating violent acts.

  26. Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looks like this putz wants to get some attention by getting stupid followers with minimal script-kiddie skillz to attack RNC web sites.

    IHMO, it's the stupidest idea since the republicans decided to exise the word "french" from capitol hill menus.

    -jcr

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  27. hypocrits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love how they take the piss out of people from the Wall of Sheep (most stupid name. ever.) while having numerous "[an error occurred while processing this directive]" error messages displayed across their site, maybe THEY should learn a thing or two first.

  28. Re:Where da white wimmen at? by saderax · · Score: 1

    not safe for work.

  29. Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT by javaxman · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Although I can see the argument that some sort of electronic attack on the RNC cold be a valid form of civil disobedience, I definitely have to agreee with you that this guy is just lame lame lame, for the following reasons :

    1) The best you can propose is a DDOS attack? I mean, come on! That's just stupid, and causes collateral network slowdowns as well... how about something useful, like getting into the servers, redirecting to other websites or plain ol-fashioned defacing of main pages? A DDOS attack... it's just so lame...

    2) The guy can't even write a decent call-to-arms. "undemocratic will of the people" ? Did someone proofread this crap?? ;-)

    And no, I am not advocating that anyone should hack into any computer system, anywhere, because that would be wrong and illegal. No, really...

    Besides, individual bodies actually showing up in person all at once would be much more convincing and newsworthy than a website being down for a few minutes. If you want to disrupt the convention, I'm guessing a whole bunch of protesters showing up in person would be more effective than shutting down a website.

  30. Knows what he's talking about by carbolic · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Humphrey is totally in the field with his Tom's Hardware write-ups. Remember when he was the pilot Warflying over LA?

    Later that day, I talked to the fed who got nabbed in that spot the fed video. He was running Kismet when he got called up. Others around him whispered "He can't be a fed, he's running Kismet". Don't be fooled. I think some of these fed types dig technology as much as any hacker.

    The Bluesniper rifle by the guys at Flexilis is so cool - I built the bluetooth gear for them from the kits on my bluedriving.com site. And I had a chance to look through the scope at DefCon, but didn't get to bluesnipe anyone with it yet.

    The Shmoo Group has another rad wireless sniper rifle they showed at DefCon. (I think the Flexilis guys got the bag on Shmoo this time for walking in the first day carrying the rifle.) Check out Shmoo's build-it instructions: LINK

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  31. Miners strike by totierne · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a story about the miners strike in England 1983-84, that the [fascist] state tried to have automated tape recorders to record any miners strike conversations, but everyone was talking about it then, and so the tapes ran out.

    From the Article:

    'The volume of information being seized for forensic analysis has mushroomed. It is not uncommon to see multiple terabytes of storage being examined. Agents said that some cases are approaching the petabyte range. Usually is because of emails and email attachments. Only with the development of better search techniques can the evidence be examined, as it is physically impossible to read every single email in many of these massive cases. [an error occurred while processing this directive]'

    Sounds like a challenge to blow their storage capacity and search capacity, blow your Broadband upload and download limits, you know you want to, it is for a cause (the development of better search algoriths of course, or sedition, or both).

    I reckon they store everything and look back at their logs when something crops up through less automated means.

  32. Electronic Civil Disobedience by Eightlines · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those curious about the Electronic Civil Disobedience hubub, the Inquirer has a couple paragraphs on what happened.

    1. Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience by totierne · · Score: 1

      The Agenda of the nasty un right wing person

      From a quick seach on google groups

  33. BlueJacking... by kword · · Score: 1

    Speaking of BlueJacking et al, here's a nifty little Bluetooth utility that runs on cell/PDA and can fulfill your, errr, communication needs :-)

    If you are able to get past the horrible English, that is.

    http://www.net-cell.com/mp/index.html

  34. defcon is the only place by el+stevo · · Score: 4, Funny

    where nerds don't have to drink alone with their imaginary friends!

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  35. Oxymoronic by scosol · · Score: 0

    I have had security experts who have attended Black Hat, SANS and other conventions thank me for showing them how vulnerable their traffic was."

    "Security experts" eh? hahahah

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  36. The Challenge of Managing Petabytes of Storage by totierne · · Score: 1

    The
    Challenge of Managing Petabytes of Storage

    The great sucking noise of the expense of many Petabyte cases has got to be visible somewhere outside classified media.

    Like I care, I pay taxes in more of a bananna republic, well I do care a little, just want to persuade someone else to do the spade work, while it is not part of my job, at which point I will become a lacky like everyone else, probability of selling out 99.9 percent and rising.

    That does mean I have not crossed the line and it makes me 0.1% questionble, good job I did not go for the security check for that non dual use war job back in 1993.

    1. Re:The Challenge of Managing Petabytes of Storage by totierne · · Score: 1

      details of how it is done

      60 IBM 3390 Model 3 disks.
      Disks

      five StorageTek Powderhorn Automated Cartridge Systems. containing 6,000 tape cartridges.
      tape library

      And the problem is still not N complete, the more data there is the harder it is going to get, not being able to get wiretaps made the problem almost manageable. The right to silence was their luxury. At petabytes of data that is oh lots for every person on the planet.Lets all get with the careless talk.

      I am being lazy the numbers are staggering, the data is way beyond for example phone company records.
      [Which are allegedly held for 3 years for security reasons. Gosh I feel so secure.]

  37. Bluejacking by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 2, Informative

    You'all might not want to skip this site: bluejackQ.com

  38. Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Although I can see the argument that some sort of electronic attack on the RNC cold be a valid form of civil disobedience

    No, it's not. If the clown doesn't like what the RNC has to say, his right is to comment on it, and try to draw attention to his counter-argument. Trying to shut someone else up by flooding out their web sites is just wrong.

    individual bodies actually showing up in person all at once would be much more convincing and newsworthy than a website being down for a few minutes.

    Only trouble is, showing up in person actually takes some guts, which is not at all in evidence in this kid's call for a DDOS attack.

    -jcr

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  39. no gay marriage by Zilfondel2 · · Score: 1

    That would be *really* fun to read about.

    =D

  40. They're better in person by Zilfondel2 · · Score: 1

    I should know...I just went to see them a couple weekends ago in Portland. But they also have a book out - check out Powells.com

    1. Re:They're better in person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Suicide Girls was started here in Portland, OR. I hear the owners moved to LA near the end of last year and have been rock starring it. The girls on the otherhand get about $200 a set from what I've been told.

  41. From the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Priest very clearly stated that DEFCON staff and planers in no way, shape, or form encouraged the views of Crimethinc, or breaking the law and went on to emphasize that if people wish to protest injustice, they should do so within the law.

    I hate to assume too much, but I hope we all know better than that. (Interpret this how you will.)

  42. The KR1PT0 Car. by a.out · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seeing theKR1PT0 Car parked out back of the hotel was pretty cool.

    The bumper stickers are the best part.

  43. Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT by DeputySpade · · Score: 1

    Forgive my use of the "royal you" in the following rant. Rant not directed at the parent poster, but at the idea in general.

    Although I can see the argument that some sort of electronic attack on the RNC cold be a valid form of civil disobedience


    It's a valid form of stupidity. We all know that the feds are worried about something going down during the conventions. That's why the DNC had so much security. Electronic attacks are (like it or not) considered a form of terrorism. You're pissed at the current administration for enacting laws that make electronic attacks severely punishable because "hacking is not a crime" or "information wants to have sex with me" or whatever stupid cliche you're stuck to this week. So what do you do about it? Commiting what is going to be portrayed as an act of terror precisely when and where it was predicted one will take place is no way to get the means of delivery declassified as worthy of special consideration. All it would do is give Mr. Ashcroft and friends an excuse to say "See? We told you we need to crack down on these computer guys, and this President is commited to doing just that!" Seriously... What kind of idiot would think that somebody who managed to get themselves elected POTUS would _NOT_ be able to spin such an event in their favor? We're talking about politics here, afterall.

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  44. Dual Use Technologies by totierne · · Score: 1

    They probably have the storage but probably blog analysis software is catching up on their analysis tools.

    I remember reading that people are using blog analysis to track language development, presumably including cross blog information spread, so doing that with emails if you have everybodies might be an interesting academic exercise and it would be nice to know what the state of the art is, classifies and unclassified, and nicer to know what is hard and will be hard for the next 20 years.

    At what point the information becomes worthy of an AskSlahdot is another question, left as an exercise to the 0 readers.

  45. SSH Attacks by Nishi-no-wan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Was this conference the reason behind a large increase in SSH attack attemps over the past two weeks? The past few months had been relatively quiet in regard to SSH attacks (I was wondering if I'd been cracked and they weren't being reported any more), but I've been getting multiple attempts pretty much daily for the past two weeks. What's up?

    1. Re:SSH Attacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  46. Re:Where da white wimmen at? by Bloodlent · · Score: 1

    She's fucking hideous, man. Ugly as fuck.

  47. New competiton at DefCON 12 TCP/IP embedded device by L0stb0Y · · Score: 1

    The most technical competitions at the CON were the Rootfu, Robotics, and the TCP/IP device competitons.
    The Lockpicking contest was raw skill as well.

    LosT

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  48. Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd call it fascism.

  49. Re:Where da white wimmen at? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    Not safe at all :P

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  50. Re:Where da white wimmen at? by duncanbojangles · · Score: 1

    How desperate am I? I just looked at third-rate pr0n. Shouldn't my GIGABYTES of illegally-gotten pornogrophy be enough? I guess this is what /. and DefCon will drive a person to. And by the way, what nerd's sister was that?

  51. Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What part of NOT US (i.e. thehacktivist.com) don't you understand? The ECD call was forwarded by another group, we made the information available to our readers.

  52. Re:Electronic Civil Disobedience speaker said WHAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the originating site:
    http://phil.ist-backup.de/rncelectronic/