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jed101 writes "I just stumbled upon this news release by Sharp introducing a 3D monitor that doesn't require special glasses. The technology was devised for high end medical instuments and such but this could be the gamers new dream toy."

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  1. 3-D eh? by Agent+Green · · Score: 4, Funny

    How is this going to work with my one good eye?

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    1. Re:3-D eh? by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny
      "How is this going to work with my one good eye?"

      Well, you move your head from side to side sixty times a second to see the 3D image.

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    2. Re:3-D eh? by scherbi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seriously, I *have* only one functional eye. The brain uses, IIRC, about 6 different methods to sense 3-D, and only about half of them require two eyes. Having lost vision in my left eye at the age of ten,I believe my brain did some significant compensation to rely on the available methods. This system will not work for me, as it uses only one of the methods, one that requires two eyes.

      Could a display be developed that exploited only non-two-eye-3d-perception methods?

    3. Re:3-D eh? by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 2, Funny

      How do you think us stutterers feel about the coming verbal computer interface?

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  2. Notebook Version by Klar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is this the same technology that has been around on Sharp 3D Notebook LCD's since last year and just brought to the desktop market, or are there any hardware advances?

    1. Re:Notebook Version by chaosmage42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      i believe this is the same. the difference is that sharp didnt build the whole computer, this has to work off your videocard, be compatible with your system.

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    2. Re:Notebook Version by DarthStrydre · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While I have not seen one of these monitors operational, it sounds like the technology is something thats been around for quite awhile, albeit in cheap children's toys and advertisements. The toy images are non-holographic where there is what looks like a linear fresnel lens adhered to a specially printed paper. These are able to give multiple images if you move your head, and some are intended to simulate 3D, depending on the shape of the lensing and printing on the paper.

      If this is the case, then the sweet spot for these monitors may be quite limited to a certain distance, and angle, but this does not limit the coolness factor.

      This is just conjecture, however, based on their claim of using parallax.

    3. Re:Notebook Version by feyhunde · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yep. And it is crap.

      I used one and you must keep you head at a very certain position from the screen for it to work. Not to mention the stereo drivers for the Nvidia 6800 don't work with it. Or that the frame rate takes a hit in 3-D mode.

      Want a real one? Planar Systems has a stereo system that does require polarized glasses, but works despite moving your head and at full speed. They have a machine at Siggraph playing UT 2004 right now. You read more at

      http://www.planar.com/Advantages/Technology/index. html

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    4. Re:Notebook Version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    5. Re:Notebook Version by Stripe7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have the DTI3D-2018XLQ monitor. It works by creating zones of view. You keep your head placed so that each eye is in a different zone. As a result you see a different image with each eye and get a 3D effect. You cannot read fine text id 3D mode. The only game I had where I could read the text was the Star Wars Racer game. First time I played Never Winter Nights with the monitor I got killed by fire giants in a forest glade because I was too busy admiring the view.
      this is a link to how the technology works.
      http://www.dti3d.com/About/dti_technology.htm

    6. Re:Notebook Version by chrispl · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have seen the new screens and the Sharp 3D laptop last year. The new ones seem to improve the 3D effect by having the parallax lenses arranged in a "Chessboard" configuration over each pixel instead of just vertical lines. The 3D effect is undeniably striking but still kind of fuzzy. It is a little like viewing the image through a screen door. The "sweet spot" seems a bit better but is still small.

      On another note when are we going to stop hearing about these 3D screens like they are new? This is the 3rd front page story I have seen on it.

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  3. Gamers? by Gr33nNight · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gamers, what about reviewers of *ahem* adult entertainment material?

  4. Any pictures of it? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 5, Funny

    I want to see the 3D in action.

    1. Re:Any pictures of it? by FrostedWheat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here ya go, from Sharp's website.

      I dunno about you, but I'm convinced!

  5. what's the difference? by GFXsoftUsr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How does this compare to exsisting autostereographic monitors? Is producing the devise cheaply the hurdle or is it software that will push it?

  6. Just like any innovative technology by doombob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first thing it will be used for is the pornography industry.

  7. Nothing new by wyldeone · · Score: 2

    This isn't anything new. It's been around for quite awhile in fact, being made by the X3D coporation.

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  8. It's about time!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The world has been deprived of 3d goatse for too long.

  9. Obligatory Futurama reference ... by Strong+Arm+Coat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Leela: "Hold still: I don't have good depth perception!"

    1. Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fry and Leela see the 3D Movie on the robot planet.

      Fry: The 3D is amazing..

      Leela shifts the glasses over her eye from red to blue and back again..

      Leela: Mine's not working

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    2. Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... by mskfisher · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Funny, yes, but true for me. I was cross-eyed at birth, and in the course of my surgeries, I lost stereoscopic vision. I have vision in both of my eyes, but it isn't in 3d. All of my 3D vision is from learned depth cues and unconscious motions.
      The upside, of course, is that Doom, Half-Life, and any other FPS is more fun for me.

      Holograms are effectively 3d for me - I can see the change when I move my head. But the Magic Eye posters and anything with red-blue glasses doesn't work at all.

      So I always keep a watch out for these 3D monitors and any new 3D tech to see if it'll work for me - I'd love to see something that actually did change depending on what angle you viewed it.
      It doesn't look like this one will do the trick - it still depends on stereoscopic effects.

      Oh - neat party trick I gained from this, though, is that I can change my dominant eye at will. Quite fun - and useful, since I'm nearsighted in only one eye.

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    3. Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Oh - neat party trick I gained from this, though, is that I can change my dominant eye at will.


      Sounds like your parties are a real blast!

    4. Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... by peculiarmethod · · Score: 4, Interesting

      nope. he means he can change his brains focus between the two eyes. camera 1, camera 2. i can do the same thing, and i also have one near sighted eye. interestingly enough, i also see differnt hues of colors between the two eyes, so when i pick a different eye to focus on, i get slightly redder purples, or greener blues, etc. strange how cones and rods work.

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    5. Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... by MindStalker · · Score: 4, Informative

      No its just that your vision generally has one ey the is dominant. Try putting your finger infront of you, close one eye. Your view of your finger may move significantly, or the blurry second finger may just go away. The eye that doesn't see the finger move is your dominant eye, and the other one is less dominant and is more there for depth perception.

    6. Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... by Enigma_Man · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I get the slightly different color effect too. Mine are red-left, and green-right (very slight tinting for either eye). I also have developed the skills to switch which eye is dominant at the moment but I never use it (both my eyes see clearly equally well). I always notice it when my brain auto-switches the dominant eye though, everything will either red or green shift :D

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    7. Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... by Sondek · · Score: 2, Informative

      This probably is not a function of rods and cones. It might be caused by the chromatic aberation of your eye. Like a prism blue light is bent more than red light by the eye. Because of this the optimal power for your lens different for different color light. And since the eyes have different refractive powers it causes each eye to have a different color with a better focus.

    8. Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... by cheese_wallet · · Score: 2, Funny

      "The funny thing is that when I try to explain all this to others (laymen...), they just stare back."

      That could be because you are so far behind the curve on self exploration that they just have no response. The whole eye crossing thing and independent eye movement is passe. The big thing now is independent nostril flaring.

  10. Another stupid IE site... by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I thought at first I'd need the 3D monitor to view the article correctly. In Firebird the text is all down the right side, like a margin.

    That aside. It would have been nice to see even a 2D picture of this monitor at work.

    I suppose Id will have to release a special Doom 3D for those with l33t enough bank balances to afford one. Talk about getting into the game...

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  11. Nice . . but no. by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Informative

    . . . but this could be the gamers new dream toy.

    I think you mean wet dream. But hey, if you wanna drop $1500 on a LCD (yay dead pixels) monitor so you can 'be better at video games', kudos to you.

    Oh btw, it has a 25ms response time, not quite high-end gaming material.

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  12. Article short on detail... spec sheet here by Dave21212 · · Score: 5, Informative


    The article was a bit short on detail... the spec sheet is here (thanks Google)

    It's 15", 1024x768

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    1. Re:Article short on detail... spec sheet here by eomnimedia · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, it's 1024x768x38DD

  13. Good news for the adult industry by Amberlock · · Score: 3, Funny

    Talk about really getting into the game. Some people already have enough problems with reality.

  14. Re:Still need two good eyes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not as much as it sucks to be blind in two eyes.. Or hell, to not be blind at all, and have to get 3D fat porn popup ads on one of these monitors.. eek!

  15. as demoed by andr0meda · · Score: 3, Informative


    on Siggraph2003, and here

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  16. What a day! by knix · · Score: 4, Funny

    First you can order your 3D keyboard, and now you can buy a 3D monitor. Along with the instructions on how to make a 3D mouse that were posted a few weeks ago, you could have a pretty interesting setup. All you might need is some sort of 3D printer, like one of those prototyping machines.

    1. Re:What a day! by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

      First you can order your 3D keyboard, and now you can buy a 3D monitor. Along with the instructions on how to make a 3D mouse that were posted a few weeks ago, you could have a pretty interesting setup. All you might need is some sort of 3D printer, like one of those prototyping machines.

      Wow, this "3D" stuff is really catching on. Next thing you know, they'll be making "3D" toothbrushes and maybe even vehicles! I just hope they don't go to far.

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  18. Re:Already been posted.... by sharkdba · · Score: 4, Informative

    Am I the only one getting some /. deja vu here?

    No.
    Sharp announces 3D laptop
    PC Magazine Review's Sharp's 3D Notebook

    The only difference, they talked about laptops. Now apparently it's on the desktops. But since they're talking about 3D Monitors it shouldn't matter...

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  19. Re:Fourth post plus by iocat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw it at ComicCon! Or maybe it was E3. But I think it was ComicCon. Anyway, it was kind of nifty, but you had to be right in front of it for it to work well. I have pretty shitty depth perception to begin with (although I can see those Magic Eye things great... go figure), but it was neat. It was hard to imaging a great application though, because it felt like looking at one of those little lenticular things, and it was kind of an effort for me to keep the 3D in view. The monitors (a laptop and a PC monitor) were just showing stills, not moving images, so I can't evaluate that, and also they were on a table and I was standing, so I was not at all at an optimum viewing angle (I had to crouch down, which is not a super sustainable posture at which to evaluate a monitor).

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  20. What happens. . . by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Funny

    when you use this 3-D monitor to view 3-D representations of web statistics? Do you dive into a Hawking Hole?

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  22. Re:Gamers? by ad0gg · · Score: 5, Funny

    As long as its female only porn. None of this mixed stuff. Its bad enough trying to ignore men in 2D, I sure as hell don't want to see a large penis flying towards me.

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  23. Doom3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    A new mod for Doom3 utilizing this monitor will enable you to see total darkness in 3D!

  24. Would've been nice to link to... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Informative
    the numerous articles on 3D displays that have made it to /. over the past few months (including Sharp's 3D laptop):

    More 3D displays to come
    Future of Visual Gadgets Rolled Out
    PC Magazine Reviews Sharp's 3D Notebook
    Sharp to Sell 3D laptop for $3299

    and many more right here.

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  25. Maybe, maybe, maybe... by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ATi will get off their asses and add stereoscopic rendering to their drivers. Until then, this is useless to ATi owners, since as far as I can tell it relies on left and right framebuffers, like the shutter glasses do.

    There's been quite a bit of griping on rage3d.com over this issue, and ATi's unwillingness to do anything about it.

    Gaming would be hit or miss, some games look awesome with the glasses, some dont. Graphics hacks which look great on a 2D monitor look lame in 3D.

    Picture a driving game, where roadside signs fly past you.. Rather than properly rendering them in 3D, they're just sprites that expand as they're "closer". Rendered in real 3D, they look like some screwed up floating box that expands and shrinks..

    Basically, for the game to look right, everything has to be rendered in 3D. Which is less of a problem these days, with the power that's in the average PC.

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    1. Re:Maybe, maybe, maybe... by damium · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Picture a driving game, where roadside signs fly past you.. Rather than properly rendering them in 3D, they're just sprites that expand as they're "closer". Rendered in real 3D, they look like some screwed up floating box that expands and shrinks..

      This would depend entirely on how the sprite display was programmed. If it went through a transform to expand and skew properly (Strictly a 2D transform) there would be little or no difference in a 2D vs. 3D dislplay. Granted this takes more work than a simple makeLargerAsViewerNears(); but it is quite simple.
      Also with the graphics of today it is better and sometimes faster to make the object a simple static 3D object so that it is better optimized.

  26. Screw by Apreche · · Score: 4, Insightful

    3d monitor? big whoop. Wont be useful for me.

    What I want to see is a 3d hologram platform/table. That would revolutionize display technology forever. We could play Star Wars chess. We could watch sporting events like baseball, hockey and football while really seeing the entire field. And think of the video games you could play on it... oh yeah.

    Also cool would be a display that shows a different picture depending on the angle of viewing. With just one television in the room you can have one person watching a dvd, another playing a video game and yet another channel surfing. Depending on where you are in relation to the screen in the room changes what you see, and everyone gets their own remote. Far superior to buying multiple displays.

    A 3d display like this one really isn't that revolutionary or useful for me.

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  27. FYI only works with stereoscopic software by musikit · · Score: 4, Informative


    from the PDF spec:
    If your software supports stereoscopic viewing with 3D glasses, then it will
    probably work with the LL-151-3D monitor. This is because the graphics cards
    manufacturers who support stereo with glasses have updated their drivers to
    support the Sharp 3D display technology. To ensure the most up to date
    compatibility, check www.sharp3d.com for the most up to date list of graphics
    cards and driver software supporting the LL-151-3D monitor.
    Note that the LL-151-3D monitor will only display 3D images when the
    software is written to create stereoscopic display output. The LL-151-3D
    display will not automatically convert standard graphics output to stereoscopic
    output.
    Also stereoscopic viewing is only supported at a resolution of 1024x768. 3D
    visualization will not work correctly if the display resolution is set to any other
    value.

  28. Actually, 3d games have no problem already.... by Rahga · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most of the games out there that use OpenGL or DirectX can rely on stereographic support from video card drivers and such. This is already used with 3D glasses, and I doubt there's any need to change much of that when switching to a monitor.

  29. there is a demestration of 3d on their website. by cipher+uk · · Score: 2, Informative

    the wonders of 3d

    then theres some details on the technology.

  30. 'full speed'? by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    hmmmm, I fail to see how this could run at 'full speed' given that for every 3d technology (save volumetric displays obv) you need to compute twice as many scenes (left eye & right eye independently) in order to be able to display things correctly, which will end up possibly halving your framerate... although, given that UT2004 is much more CPU limited than video-limited, maybe in this particular case the performance hit is much less than that.

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    1. Re:'full speed'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      By full speed I meant the display speed rather then system performance. Most 3D displays are like Sharp's and end up having the frame rate than can be shown halved when it switchs to 3D do to display requirements. Not the power to drive it, but the actual speed at which the LCD and react gets halved, sending games to 30 Hz in many cases. Shutter glasses do that, and you need to have insane frame rates to keep them normal. Most of these display sacfrice frame rate to get the pseudo 3-D.

      As for Planar's system (Better link here http://www.planar.com/Advantages/Innovation/docs/d s-planar-stereo-mirror.pdf) It's the card and cpu that could slow it down rather then the physical limits of the technology. Running a Nvidia 6800 card with stereo drivers allows system to work just fine in Stereo mode. Nvidia has been working on Stereo options for a few years now and the cards don't suffer performance problems. I am not a software engineer but I understand they figured out a way to not need to double the power to calculate the image for two differant screens but use only a bit more power.

  31. This is nothing by DanielMarkham · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm waiting for the first 4-D monitor!

    Then I can see how this DOOM level is going to end before I spend all that time playing it.

  32. Re:Gamers? by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Several years ago at the Northwestern they showed a 70s porno film in 3D. I think it starred John Holmes. I showed up to see it, but so did a thousand other people at a 500 seat lecture hall.

    Can they convert the old red/blue 3D films into this new technology?

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  33. 2D vs 3D ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You sure that isn't a breast enhancement commercial?

  34. This saves me a lot of money! by Picass0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I closed my right eye and moved my head back and forth as fast as I could, and now Slashdot seems to be floating in front of my monitor!

    I also am having cold shakes and I think I may have suffered a stroke. So this method isn't perfect but it could agggghhhhh....

    1. Re:This saves me a lot of money! by sharkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Take a deep breath, let it out slowly, and meditate on how there is always something worse out there.

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  35. Re:Gamers? by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow dude, are you really so insecure about your sexuality that you can't stand seeing male actors in porn?

  36. Re:Still need two good eyes? by pclminion · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It really sucks being blind in one eye sometimes.

    I would think it would be easier to create 3D display technology for one-eyed individuals than for people with two eyes.

    For people with two functioning eyes there are three major depth cues: stereovision, focus, and attenuation. With one eye you still have focus and attenuation, but no stereovision. (You also have parallax as the eye is moving, but this isn't as helpful.) So a one-eyed person doesn't rely on stereovision at all to gauge depth.

    Notice that it is only the stereovision which is hard to simulate with a display device -- software could be written to simulate focal blur and distance attenuation, and since these are the only depth cues available to people with a single eye, this should be a pretty convincing representation of a 3D scene.

  37. Re:3D hurts my eyes by Jacer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you're having a problem view 3D images, you could be stereoblind. It's very rare to have it, and most people don't realize they do because stereoblindness doesn't affect things like image perception, nor is it useful at 100+ feet. It's typically only caused by infantile strabismus. If you're that interested, tell your optomotrist to check you for it next time you go in. They quit checking it routinely because there isn't anything they can do about it. Sorry, I was a Psychology major and was really interested in perception.

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  38. Re:Gamers? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
    I sure as hell don't want to see a large penis flying towards me.
    Why is that? Are you afraid that if you see a big erect penis right by your face you will be tempted to suck it???
  39. 3D Phbbt. I have a 4D by gosand · · Score: 2, Funny
    I had a 4D monitor once. Or I will have.

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    (wait for it...)

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  40. Re:No slouching! by pandrijeczko · · Score: 3, Funny
    We have to sit rigidly in front of the monitor's centerline?

    Don't be such a silly billy!

    For $150 you buy a Sharp XL52 Head Mount for the monitor. Strap the chrome and black cage over your head and attach the screen to the two rods that permanently fix the screen at 9" from your eyes but keep it aligned with any head movements.

    Of course, you then have the problem of weak neck muscles...

    ...which is why for $160, you can by the Sharp YP28 Neck Brace. Stap the chrome and black cage around your neck and using the two straps attach it to your shoulders to lock your neck permanently in position but fully supported by your shoulders.

    For those with weak lower backs, for $200, there is the Sharp ZD12 Back Brace. Strap the chrome and black corset around your waste and...

    etc.

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