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KDE 3.3 Officially Released
scorp1us was one of several to note that KDE 3.3 has been released. You can also read the infopage and the requirements. Commence downloading. Features a new spell checking library, a new theme manager, and much more.
Kan't wait to get my Komputer running KDE 3.3
Guess I've got some downloading to do, eh? Which comes to a gripe - it's a real pain in the arse to download all the seperate files and install them. Sure would be nice if the KDE team wrote an "update" script that would check for updates and optionally download/install them. PS. Anyone want a gmail invite? mail me.. [only one left!]
feh. stuff.
It told has no C!
Wow, that's a really nice requirements chart. I wish more projects
.xml of it, and we could
would use that. (Of course, with apt-get and dpkg, it's not such a
concern, but.)
Maybe even nicer if they would produce an
write a tool to test the system against it - e.g. "you meet the
requirements," or "YOU FAIL IT, you need $PKG $VER."
feh. stuff.
congradulations on slashdotting kde. hope your proud!
KDE 3.3 Screenshots at the bottom of that page.
Of course gentoo has had it in beta for the last month.
My own personal experience with it is that it's even faster then before (Not quite blackbox speed but it is approching...). kmail has spam filtering built in. All of the multimedia mime things work in Konqueror (that I could see). Still can't get konqueror to run those java games at www.pogo.com so I have to use firefox for that.
Kdevelop is fantastic, along with plugins for valgrind, doxygen and debuggers it is a great development environment.
All in all an incremental change, nothing blindingly new, but a solid base to work from.
Bitch, bitch, bitch.
If they come up with something totally new, they get slammed for a steep learning curve. Reviewers go on tirades and whitepapers are written about how the TCO is too high because of the training necessary, etc.
Keeping an interface similar allows for an easier migration of people who've been using Windows for years (office people). Thus, less training is needed and the migration costs are lower.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
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ironically, this is posted by the "founder"!
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For the gentoo folks who emerge from source and all that fun stuff. How 'bout the not-so-cool people who use the other distros like RH or MDK? I figure they'll show up in contrib in a few days but I've been bitten before when I upgraded a RH9 to KDE 3.2 using repositories...locked up my machine badly and used that as an excuse to transition to mandrake 10CE (which had 3.2 by default). Haven't even gone to the 10 Official because I've adopted the "hey, if I don't NEED to upgrade, I won't" more religiously.
For the more cautious/paranoid folks out there, when can we expect the distros to package 3.3 officially?
As always, thanks to the KDE folks for continually updating and improving the software.
a cute animated paperKlip?
"I realise this is not a very popular opinion but it's the truth, and there for needs to be said" -Bill Hicks
mirror here.
-- "I'm not a religious man, but if you're up there, save me Superman..."
I can't help but think that I'm feeling the same thing the mice felt when they told Deep Thought to find the answer to Life the Universe, and Everything, and it told them it would take 10 million years.
//blah/blah" like some sort of caveman), and their sound thingie.
I will no doubt be equally impressed with the results as they were.
KDE's UI has some really nice looking elements, but altogether it's just cluttered and ugly. I'm talking about them jamming too much stuff in the menus, redundant menus, etc. Gnome's so much lighter and cleaner looking. Though, I like the lisa daemon (alot! why would I want to have to type mount "-t cifs
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Linux users shouldn't have to spell check.
Two weeks without the Gentoo users! Life is great!
apt-get update apt-get -t unstable install kdebase
-- -pjk Perry Kundert perry@kundert.ca http://kundert.2y.net
Qt gained increased support for Indic languages, and languages as diverse as Farsi and Frisian were added
Will Kilngon be on their next release?
"Your honor, the two youts..."
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Aside from patches to 3.3, I don't think we'll see another major KDE release until Qt4 is finalized and we see KDE 4 creep up beside it. So for all of us who are reveling in a new release of our favourite desktop environment, just remember to hold onto that feeling, it could be another year before it happens again. :)
"It's here, but no one wants it." - The Sugar Speaker
In yet another sign that the apocolypse is upon us, Debian unstable actually had KDE 3.3 last week. I am glad they are finally pushing the edge with that repository rather than having unstable mean "not as stable as stable" and of couse stable meaning "running packages from 3 years ago". Those of us who choose to run unstable know what the word means and we are willing to chance it.
And yes, I am a Debian user.
I just installed Gentoo, and only finished compiling KDE 3.2.3 a few days ago! GOD FECKING DAMMIT!
(note: this is not a troll, this really is happening, and I love Gentoo. I also hate my life.)
By summer it was all gone...now shesmovedon. --
How about features like, "Increased performance by 60%, less memory leaks/bloat, and increased stability."
I humbly think that KDE + KDevelop (or Qt + Designer) give a beautifull Rapid Development tool. Python fits very well with the Object Oriented KDE API. And most of the heavy work is done by Qt anyways, so I would expect that many. many usefull aplications could be written with PyKDE and PyQT, now that they are officially part of the family ;-)
Kudos and Thank You to everyone involved.
-- Don Inodoro
Needless complexity? Nobody forces uses to use the complex stuff. A Linux/KDE box gives users more options and flexibility then a WIndows machine. Stop playing down Windows inflexibility...
windows xp sp2?
However, it is not the best for developers since they cannot create commercial application for it without paying TrollTech.
Alas this is very FALSE. You can develop QT based apps and charge for them, as much as you what to charge, as long as you use the GPL as your license. As long as you make the source available per stated in the GPL License, etheir as a free download, or available on a CD for no more than the cost of media + shipping.
you insensitive clod...
All's true that is mistrusted
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Highlights At A Glance
Some of the highlights in KDE 3.3 are listed below.
For a more detailed list of improvements since the KDE 3.2 release, please refer to the KDE 3.3 Feature Plan.
* http://kde.pandmservices.com/
Location: Hartford, Conneticut
Provided by P & M Services, LLC
* http://kde.oregonstate.edu/
Location: Corvallis, Oregon
Provided by Oregon State University
* http://kde.intissite.com/
Location: New York
Provided by BITS inc
* http://kde.feratech.com/
Location: Boston
Provided by Feratech, Inc
This always irks me about KDE users. Sure, some flexibility is good, but I think Windows implements the majority of its flexibility perfectly -- by jamming it in the Registry where no one will see it. The only issue I have with it is the utter lack of structure and lack of documentation, but the principle is solid. GConf does it better.
Okay, I like changing some browser settings occasionally. But do I really need an entire in Konqueror's settings dedicated to which SSLv2 and SSLv3 ciphers to use? No, I don't. This is something I don't expect 99% of KDE's users to be using at any point; it should be dumped into a configuration file somewhere. If you have no use for it, it's not cluttering up the interface. If you need to change it, you still can without modifying the source. Does every folder in the bookmarks menu need three separate items at the bottom, "Add Bookmark," "Bookmark Tabs as Folder," and "New Bookmark Folder?" Absolutely not. These are contextual items that belong in the context menu. The functionality can still be there without being in the way. See what I'm saying here?
I'll be the first to admit that I do really like some of KDE's flexibility. Enabling desktop sharing and letting users share their own files via the control panel is a great idea. Basic niceties like theme switching belongs there. But most of the cruft can be very safely shaved off. There's no better example of needless interface bloat than the giant, bloated, unnavigable mess called KControl. Launch feedback? Who cares enough to change that? Caching folders for "Quick Copy & Move"? The environment should be watching the user's habits and transparently adjusting this setting accordingly.
I think KDE is amazing technologically, but it's losing badly where it counts -- usability. GNOME understands that to develop a solid platform, you need developers, and to attract developers, you need users to develop for. They're inching closer together in both regards with each release, which I think is fantastic -- the ability to learn from one another and take advantage of another project's strengths is stronger in the open-source movement than anywhere. Many of its assets are downplayed, like DCOP and KParts, while exaggerating its flaws (memory usage, speed, and so forth), but it's silly to ignore what problems it does have just for mindless fanboyism. I'm looking forward greatly to a complete rearchitecting of the UI at some point in the future, hopefully this will be a priority by KDE 4 and its technology will truly shine.
I think the parent's point is that there is a difference between open/closed and free/comercial. A gratis project can be either open or closed source. A comercial project can also be either open or closed.
You are both correct, but talking past each-other. It is in fact hard to market a commercial product under the GPL because you risk competing with a gratis fork of your own work. But the QT license doesn't care about gratis/commercial, only libre/closed.
XML is the best data format; unless your data needs to be read or written by a human or a computer.
I recently moved to Gentoo and did the full recompile of KDE 3.2 when I did it. I had moved from Fedora.
Imagine my surprise when the TwinView stuff suddenly quit working and all of my windows suddenly wanted to maximize across all of the monitors.
Has anybody had any luck with 3.3 and the TwinView extensions? It looks from the nVidia docs like TwinView responds to the Xinerama queries, but KDE didn't seem to respond to them correctly. It did work under Fedora, and Gnome has no problems with Xinerama at all.
There's so little difference between politics and jihad lately...
Launch feedback? Who cares enough to change that?
Me.
I'll be the first to admit that I do really like some of KDE's flexibility
You like some of the flexibility, another user likes another part of the flexibility, another user thinks the parts you regard as flexibility is useless crap. This is just as stupid an argument as saying most users only need 10% of the features that MS Office has. True but obviously flawed since everyone uses a different set of features.
That said I'd have no problem moving some of the more obscure features to a GConf like system. I think that is actually a planned feature for KDE4.
It's getting tedious now. Every time anything KDE-related comes out, you guys make the same lame-assed 'k' jokes everywhere.
Kretin.
konstruct is pretty much a Linux-only tool. I've tried to run it under FreeBSD but with no success.
In the meantime, the FreeBSD/KDE team is busily testing KDE 3.3 packages. They've been testing for almost a week now, and it looks like they're near done. They reason it seems like they're taking so long is because they are. Just like any Linux distro does (or should). There's also the snag of -CURRENT rolling out yet another backwardly incompatible GNU compiler.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
If they come up with something totally new, they get slammed for a steep learning curve.
No, they don't. When something new and cool comes up, it's praised. That's pretty much describing the Linux kernel right there.
Reviewers go on tirades and whitepapers are written about how the TCO is too high because of the training necessary, etc.
That's a bit misleading. The TCO arguments have to do with server and network administration, not desktop Linux (i.e., KDE/GNOME).
As far as desktop reviewers, they go on tirades because often the applications are superficially easy to use, and they look familiar because of the ripped-off Microsoft interfaces, but because Linux and XFree86 are very fundamentally different under the hood, things happen that you don't expect, or you have to do things in weird ways that contradict the interface.
Keeping an interface similar allows for an easier migration of people who've been using Windows for years (office people). Thus, less training is needed and the migration costs are lower.
No, what it does is make Linux on the desktop a cheap Windows clone, but worse because it's only a superficial imitation. Too many things about Linux are different from Windows. I really don't understand why people don't attempt to come up with something new. If the creative designers of Linux came up with something intuitive and creative like OS X but with a unique interface paradigm, Linux on the desktop would have its own identity. Right now, it has about 20 conflicting identities all trying to look like a certain other big identity which most Linux users hate anyway.
Honestly, I've never seen any attempts to infuse something new, cool, and creative into desktop Linux. It's always, "Windows has a taskbar? Well, we'll have a taskbar you can move all around and add applets to and put pointless system monitors on!" "Windows has an integrated filesystem/HTML browser? We'll have one with endless sidetabs and buttons and toolbar icons!" "Windows has a start menu? We'll have a start menu with a hundred menu items with redundancies like 'System' and 'Preferences' and 'Control Panel' as well as pointless subgroups called 'More Programs'"!
I don't get it.
[KDE] is not the best for developers since they cannot create commercial application for it without paying TrollTech. I wonder how tyrannical Microsoft would be if they would ask you to pay them for using Window Forms, Win32 API, WTL, MFC, or any other API they have. Not everyone wants to create GPL applications, nor do they want to pay the TrollTech tax.
Two things:
* You don't pay to use the various Windows APIs, you pay to use Windows. That's the product they sell. The APIs are the incentive to use it. Trolltech's product is QT. That's how they actually make that pesky money that lets them have the GPL version.
* If you're doing commercial software development, you expect to pay to do it. It's just like any other business. The cost of buying computers, dev tools, office chairs, etc. are trivial in comparison to big costs like salaries, office space and bandwidth, not to mention the income you expect to make from selling the product.
Java: the bastard demon spawn of C++ and Ada
it'll be interesting to see whether Komposé, aka éxpose clone will make it into the next version of KDE...
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At least this way I have strictly what I need.
If all you need is a barebones window manager, then by all means stick with FluxBox. But some of us want applications to go with it...
Seriously, FluxBox is just a window manager. A window manager (KWin) is only one small part of KDE. You also have a panel which can hold a task manager, applets, systray, subpanels, etc. And a desktop (e.g., smart root window). And a file manager / webbrowser integrated into everything. Easy to edit menus with icons. Drag and drop from anywhere to anywhere. Complete network transparency and flexible IO protocols. Complete development toolkit for the hacker in you. Loads of eye candy. Etc, etc, etc.
That's without getting into the bundled applications. It may be more than you need, but you cannot claim that FluxBox fills the same ecological niche. That's like claiming Honda automobiles are too expensive and heavy so you're going to ride a Scwinn bycicle instead. There's nothing wrong with bicycles but don't pretend they serve the same purpose as cars.
BTW, you don't have to install all of KDE in order to use KDE. Just install kdelibs and kdebase and you'll still have the full desktop.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
...or does this seem a rather small list of changes for a point release? Not that I'm complaining, improvements are always nice.
Try staying logged in for awhile without eventually seeing all the memory eaten up. True, one can just log out, then log back in to reclaim the memory, but this is a kludge. If one has several windows open with specific tasks (that won't come up automatically on log in) it's a pain to get resituated.
It's an annoying problem that I've seen with different hardware and different kernel versions, so I know it's KDE. Mark this as troll or flamebait, but that won't make this any less true.
If you want to use MFC you have to buy a Visual Studio license from MS.
So where lies the difference?
I just set up a system with 500 mhz, 128 MB ram... runs KDE great!
Did you know that "shift + g" is also "G".
There are other OSes you know. Please don't disregard them, or the work of the people who make KDE a cross-platform desktop.
For all the complaining linux users do about Microsoft's monopoly and open standards, a lot of them are all too quick to disregard or put down the other Unix style OSes, and to write code that won't compile without sys/linux.h.
Fortunately the KDE people don't think that way.