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Stress Costs U.S. $300 Billion a Year

jburroug writes "A new study, as reported in the New York Times claims that the stress of the modern always-on work environment is taking a far greater toll on the health of workers than previously believed, to the tune of $300 billion in lost productivity and increased health care costs in the U.S. alone."

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  1. Isn't that.... by ericdano · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't that the same amount that people spend on porn? Hmmm.......

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  2. And they wonder why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just today there was an article about hypertasking.
    Folks, shut off the cellphone, log out of the internet and leave work at work because you're slowly killing yourself with stress.

    1. Re:And they wonder why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Look who's talking, Mr. Posting-to-Slashdot at 11:09PM! Err...please pretend I posted this at 8:00 pm. Thanks.

    2. Re:And they wonder why by loid_void · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is your BRAIN, this is your brain on WORK! yes, RELAX, don't do it.

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    3. Re:And they wonder why by soimless · · Score: 2

      then again it can allways go to thoughs little squsse balls that are made of flour and lytex

    4. Re:And they wonder why by BlueTooth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I recently dropped a self owned startup for a "corporate" job working for the DoD...for the most part security restrictions make it dificult (i.e. a hassle) to take work home...needless to say, I'm loving it. When I'm at work, I get more done, when I'm at home I get more R&R...

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    5. Re:And they wonder why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ironic, but I was listening to the radio (at 5am) and they were talking about bullies at work.

      Stay with me, it's related.

      It was about boss bullies. It mentions how some get off on pushing people around, some only do it b/c it's the only way they know, others b/c it gets work done.

      The worker could operate with a little pressure once in a while, but constant barage from a boss bully can create a stressful environment. Unfortunately, he may have been rewarded in the past b/c he was able to make some impossible due date.

      Eventually, it's assumed you'll have to make these dates/goals. It becomes a constant drive period where you work 110% all the time. This could create a resentment, anger, or "why should I work hard" attitude. Afterwards, stress becomes so overwhelming it gets one suspicious and jumpy.

      People with small heart problems will suddenly develop greater heard problems. Small conditions/ailments become problematic and increasingly dangerous.

      I currently work in a high stress environment, and I'm experiencing some of these symptoms. You can either cope with it, using escape mechanisms, face it dead on, or leave.

      Ironically, leaving an employment can be hampered down because of stress. I can see why so many drugs are on the market to help relax the stressed.

    6. Re:And they wonder why by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Um, I don't think that is really the employee's problem.

      I personally have put my foot down about "expectations" on the part of management. My wife and I had a baby and I did not want to be a "virtual dad."

      And frankly, even if it didn't work I was prepared to walk. If they are expecting the work of 2 people out of you, they should in fact be hiring 2 people, not making you feel constantly inadaquate.

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  3. easy solution by Rooked_One · · Score: 4, Funny

    just make XanaxOTC!!

    1. Re:easy solution by j3z_ · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are a lot of good reasons not to.

  4. great... by dioscaido · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... now the fear of losing money @ the workplace due to stress will cause more stress, causing more money loss, and thereby creating a feedback loop that will kill us all.

    1. Re:great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, if you get too stressed out management will just fire you, thus ending the cycle.

    2. Re:great... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2, Funny

      Excellent - I will now start referring to all my recursive loops as vicious cycles.

  5. Stressful by MikeMacK · · Score: 4, Funny

    Geez, what a depressing and stressful article.

  6. people in the US work too much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's because people in the US tend to work to much (sometimes for less money). Hope this shows the rest of the world not to follow that trend in favor of some inexistent productivity benefit.

    1. Re:people in the US work too much by Carmelia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I have a right to work as hard as possible or lose my job to someone else who will work just as hard for less."

      You call that a right? I call that a burden.
      The parent probably meant that he doesn't have to work his ass off to be assured of not loosing his job.

      Also, you could work a lot (60+ hours a week) and still be half as efficient as a 35-40 hours worker, due to stress, fatigue and whatnot.

    2. Re:people in the US work too much by Myolp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In Sweden, and I think this also applies to several other European countries, we have laws that prevents a company from firing its staff without a valid reason. I.e., they can't fire you for arguing with your boss, or not working overtime, etc. Also, when they need to cut back on the staff, its a first-in-last-out rule that is applied to decide who will stay and who will get fired. And you're not allowed to work more than 200 hours overtime per year (exceptions can be made though). Everyone have at least 5 weeks vacation each year, and you always have the right to use at least four of these during the summer. If you get a kid, you have 1 years paid parental leave. Would you like to take a year of to study something? Sure thing, every employee can take one years off as long as they will be studying full time, and you get your job back when your done. Is your kid sick, don't worry, you can stay home and take care off him/her without risk loosing your job.

      Working in Sweden is quite sweet...

  7. i'm a conservative by HBI · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously.

    However, I have to wonder what a high GDP growth and near-full employment are worth if you are dead.

    Obviously there is a problem with ANY form of social engineering - it's untested, and has unpredictable results on society. We conservatives say this in response to welfare programs and affirmative action. Modern capitalism and the downsizing trend have social effects. That's not subject to argument. Instead of a knee-jerk conservative 'but it could damage productivity' response, how about taking a look at the problems instead?

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    1. Re:i'm a conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I consider myself fiscally conservative (if that matters). I am a self-employed consultant in two different fields (digital imaging and programming). I work hard when I'm working, but when I'm not working, I don't even check my email. I like to work a few hours a day including weekends, but I don't like to work more than 7-8 hours a day.

      My view is: nobody forces you to work as hard as you possibly can. So if you don't want to, don't. You're not lazy, or "French", or whatever, as long as you are making enough to keep from depending on others for anything, and you lead the lifestyle you want.

      Sure, some might look down their nose at you if you "only" work 35 or 40 hours a week, or if you take every Friday off. But you shouldn't structure your lifestyle to suit your friends. Find friends that understand your lifestyle. The more people that do this, the more employers will support it and you don't have to resort to being self-employed if you don't want to do that.

      I think that's the conservative viewpoint: don't like working so hard? Then work less!

    2. Re:i'm a conservative by Siniset · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "as long as you are making enough to keep from depending on others for anything"

      I know this was a side comment, but i do take issue with this sort of attitude. You depend on so many people during your day, that it can boggle the mind. Just imagine how many people you rely on to have that roof over your head, or that car in your driveway, or the fact that you are educated, and are able to be self-employed.

      "The more people that do this, the more employers will support it and you don't have to resort to being self-employed if you don't want to do that."

      Isn't that what unions try to do?

    3. Re:i'm a conservative by XanC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a huge difference between:

      1) hiring the labor of others with your own hard-earned canned labor (money)

      and

      2) waiting around for a handout to be able to hire that same labor.

      The kind of dependency he's talking about is #2.

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  9. Go tell it to the Europeans by Cryofan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ....with their 4-6 weeks of vacations and holidays each year. We work about 25% more per year than do most Europeans.

    I really do not understand why we Americans have let ourselves be brainwashed into SweatShopAmerica.

    See my sig for links on how the social democracies of Europe fought and are still fighting for a better , less stressful workplace, for universal healthcare, and for a social welfare state/safety net that lets them less afraid of losing their jobs.

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    1. Re:Go tell it to the Europeans by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ....with their 4-6 weeks of vacations and holidays each year. We work about 25% more per year than do most Europeans. I really do not understand why we Americans have let ourselves be brainwashed into SweatShopAmerica.

      My employer does a fair amount of business in Europe or with European based companies. Everytime a customer from this continent comes up, we always talk about the numerous weeks of vacation and whatnot.

      People always end up talking about the "high" unemployment rate and the "high" taxes, but they always wistfully look on the health care and 3x vacation....but then they drive home in their 2nd or 3rd car (sometimes an SUV) to a home that's twice as big as they need to their big screen TV that they paid for with a bonus check that could have been put to retirement....

      As long as we Americans want our toys and things, we'll never get get 6 weeks vacation....

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    2. Re:Go tell it to the Europeans by servognome · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ironicly this is posted labor day weekend... why do we have labor day in september? Because the goverment felt we needed a token holiday during the 3 month period between 4th of July and Columbus day (which I think most places besides federal goverment ignore)
      The US may have the most "stuff" but we pay for it with our health. We buy a $5000 plasma TV to get our minds off the stress of all the work we need to do to afford a $5000 plasma TV.

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    3. Re:Go tell it to the Europeans by fermion · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The interesting thing is that the number of hours work and productivity are not neccesarily related. I think in some companies at lot of hours are put in, but the results are not untilmately benificial. Enron was renowned in Houston for how hard working the employees were.

      I think what we have brainwashed into believing those who work the most are the most dedicated, when in fact they may just be the least effecient, or, possible, the least qualified to do the job. Or pehaps the employer will not pay for the proper tools because he or she knows that the employee will donate the time neccesary to compensate for the substandard equipment. I am in a situation like that right now. Crappy cheap web designer are costing me a few hours a week of free time.

      One last point. Healthcare and vacations should pay for themselves. A healthier worker will be more effectient. However, this only matters when the company is worried about the long term viability of the worker and has to pay for the long term care of the worker. Neither is that true in the current situation. The pay for unskilled labor is low enough so it does not matter if the worker is not effecient. Skilled labor is often on salary, so it often does not matter if all the labor is inexperienced and takes 25% more time. Health care is largely oursourced to the middle class, through taxes and insurance payments, so that is not a big issue either.

      the belabored point from above is that Sweatshop America is realy TemporaryJobAmerica, in which companies hire on an as needed basis, works the employer as hard as possible, and then throws the employee away as soon as the job is done.

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    4. Re:Go tell it to the Europeans by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is more productive in terms of costs. Not work involved.

      Efficiently is calculated by cost per work returned for that cost. I agree an overworked worker is not as efficient as working regular hours for the cost of 2 workers it just may not be efficient. Especially in this tight job market and economy.

      Businesses view employers as expenses and cost centers. They need to be cut because they get in the way of profits. Sadly this is why the stock market has gone up as of recent. Its because despite the recession businesses are hiring Indians and having 1 person do the job of 3. This saves alot of money.

    5. Re:Go tell it to the Europeans by FFFish · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We work about 25% more per year than do most Europeans.

      And you still have to shop at Wal*Mart.

      Think about it. It's not like Europeans have a low standard of living. They get paid well, they get great vacations, they get great social benefits. WTF are you thinking, working harder for less?! Something is wrong in America.

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    6. Re:Go tell it to the Europeans by jburroug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right something is wrong over here, which is why I submitted the story.

      WTF are you thinking, working harder for less?!

      The answer to that is simple: I want a job. It's pretty much impossible to negotiate for a shorter work week for a professional job here. Beleive me, I've tried. When I got hired on at my current job I actually asked if I could get double vacation (4 weeks) or a seven hour work day if I took pay cut, my request was met with a confused stare and a refusal. I was honestly afraid that even by just asking I'd lose the offer because management would then assume that I wasn't a 'team player.' I should point out that the company I work for is considered liberal by US standards - a paid lunch break is factored into our work schudules, which is almost unheard of in the US these days. And we get to leave early on the day before a holiday.

      Still though, I often find myself badgering co-workers to leave on time almost daily. Since I work 10-6:30 (thanks to clients out west we need extended hours) instead of the normal 8:30-5 I know when everyone leaves. Waaay too often they'll inist on staying till they finish "one last thing" which costs them an hour of personal time they won't ever get back. Thus increasing their stress, and their health care costs and raises the insurnce premiums we all pay. So sad. Also makes it harder for me to goof off ala Bonjour Paresse :-)

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    7. Re:Go tell it to the Europeans by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Insightful


      And you still have to shop at Wal*Mart.

      Weird, isn't it? The US economy is staggering in world terms. We hear that all the time. Yet, for the people within the US, their purchasing power isn't wildly different. There are other factors, such as the massive availablity of land, that change things such as the size of your typical house, but broadly speaking, the average US citizen isn't much better off than a european counterpart. And judging by the other posts in this thread, he works a bit harder for it too.

      It's ridiculous to say the money isn't there. We have modern farming equipment, manufacturing, transport. So why aren't we all just sitting back and enjoying the rewards of a few centuries of technological development?

      I think one difference is formed by what the typical citizens of a country are doing. We all compete with each other. The US citizen may be vastly richer than an eastern european, an indian or a chinese, but he lives in a land where everybody else is too. It's not possible to ease off and do a twenty-hour week because you'd get left behind. Our equilibrium is set at 37+ hours.

      But that's not to say that there couldn't be another euqilibrium lower down if everyone typically worked 20 hours a week. A parallel situation would be how there used to be only one breadwinner in a household (typically the husband) and now there are two. Living costs go up and it's now much harder for there to just be a single breadwinner. We've adopted a different equilibrium, just like we've failed to adopt a different equilibrium as technology has progressed.

      I think this has led to a reduction in the amount of work that 'needs' to be done. Assuming technology continues to progress and civilization doesn't slide back again, then this situation can only get more pronounced. Energy required to hold onto a job will continue to increase and benefits to the employee will continue to shrink as the 'owners' have less and less need to for them and the balance of power shifts further.

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  10. Garumph by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem about anything that surveys the economic losses caused by productivity losses is that they're all vague measurements of approxiamate things that are then multiplied by a huge group of people. Really, what this means is that while there might be truth in the idea these statistics try to show, the numbers are almost completely bullshit. For example, let's suppose 100 million workers in the united states have air blowing hand dryers instead of paper towels in their restrooms. These dryers take longer than paper towels, let's say maybe a minute instead of 10 seconds. I would think it's fair to say that on average a worker makes 1.5 trips to the bathroom per day. So if the average hourly wage of these employees is something like 15 bucks, 10 seconds of paper towels is worth $0.0417, one minute of air drying is worth $0.25. That means that we're wasting ~$31 Million per day! That's billions per year! My God! Something has to be done!

    1. Re:Garumph by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "These dryers take longer than paper towels, let's say maybe a minute instead of 10 seconds. I would think it's fair to say that on average a worker makes 1.5 trips to the bathroom per day."

      That's assuming that people wash their hands when they're done. If you've ever watched the people that finish up and leave, you'd know better.

      Yeah, I'm the freaky guy that stands in the bathroom watching everyone else.

    2. Re:Garumph by KarmaOverDogma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with your point about statistics being used for vague and innappropriate ends. I, personally have a copy of Darrell Huff's "How to lie with Statistics." (the 39th printing, no less...) published by W.W. Norton, ISBN number: 039309426X.
      It is a very intersting book with does address your point about vague measurements being used for whatever ends the user intends.

      However, I think you are missing the larger point of the article in that it intends to continue the discussion of: are Americans working too hard?

      Case in point here is the idea of the curve of diminishing returns. Can you ever recall a time when you worked so many hours that you were less productive or tires/stressd-out as a result? Where, if you had merely done job X over two 4 hours shifts instead of one 10 hour shift you could have done the same amount of work with less stress and/or fatigue, and in less work hours? I'll bet you probably have.

      I don't know if I have the all the answeres to job stress, but I think it's fair to say that, sometimes, there are other ways to get work done that may be easier on people than just plowing/trudging through no matter how long it takes.

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    3. Re:Garumph by cerberusss · · Score: 2, Funny
      Yeah, I'm the freaky guy that stands in the bathroom watching everyone else.

      You call that freaky? I use a hidden camera for that.

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      (just kidding people)

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  11. The Cure by MikeMacK · · Score: 5, Funny
    The advice that most experts offer is deceptively simple: Dr. McEwen, for example, recommends getting enough sleep, avoiding cigarettes and alcohol, eating sensibly and exercising.

    How can I do all that, I'm too busy working.

  12. on the plus side.... by brauwerman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fortunately, stress is proving a boon to the health care industry, motivating $600M in additional revenue!

  13. Eh? by edunbar93 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How can a country lose $300 billion in productivity and still be the most productive country in the world? Americans work longer hours, spend less time on vacation, work harder, and as a result your economy outpaces countries like Japan, whom you used to believe were insanely overworked.

    This is another one of those monetary statistics that we can file under "overblown."

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    1. Re:Eh? by Foxyloficus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not sure about the 'work harder' bit, as far as I'm aware, productivity per hour worked is higher in most European countries. People in the US do work a lot more hours, but less productive hours. BTW much of the US economic growth that you tout is driven my debt, which is funded from the savings of people in Japan, China and Europe. Economies such as Japan and Europe where people tend to save more and consume less tend to grow at slower, steadier rates. At the moment the US government appears to be trying to stave off a massive economic meltdown by having effectively zero interest rates and huge government spending. I hope this works, because if it doesn't, it's going to horrible globally.

  14. "Mental health" day by Therlin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At my workplace, it is widely accepted to use a day of sick leave and call it a "mental health" day.

    We all need to step away from the everyday crap and let our brain rest. Sometimes you need it and you usually come back to work energized and ready to finish the rest of the week.

    1. Re:"Mental health" day by maximilln · · Score: 2, Funny

      At my workplace, it is widely accepted to use a day of sick leave and call it a "mental health" day.

      I've worked for companies like that. Employees who made use of a mental health day more than once in their career were labelled as psychological liabilities and systematically eliminated from the company.

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  15. This is what happens when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Decent companies are forced to drug test their employees for harmless substances like THC.

    I tried my best to work in the u.s., but I couldn't hack it, just couldn't do it. Even the innocuous suggestion that we go down the pub for an ale during lunch raised some eyebrows and instilled fear in my coworkers. Why do the people working in corporate america have this attitude ? Is it just plain fear? Are you all so desperate to climb the corporate ladder that _living_ takes a backseat to it? Then the 60 and 70 hour workweeks, people taking work home with them for at least another dozen hours of unpaid work...

    Absolutely ridiculous... I'm glad to be back in .AU for good this time. My advice to americans... hmmm, get the fuck out of that madhouse now.

    1. Re:This is what happens when by k4_pacific · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Amen to that.

      Here's how I dealt with it:

      1. Identify something at your company that isn't "sexy." And I'm not talking about the 50 year old receptionist. 3 years ago, right out of college, I took a job with a small software company. They make applications for point-of-sale systems, and about half of the customers are still running old hardware with MS-DOS 6.22 with no plans to upgrade. However, they still wanted new features so there was constant development in this area which no one wanted to do because the Codeview debugger sucks and putting printfs everywhere is tedious.

      2. Get good at it. Ideally, you want to find a better way to do things than just do things. So I invested a bunch of time and effort into learning how DOS works at its lowest levels and memorizing the 286-protected mode extender's manual. Then I cooked up some better debugging tools. One thing I did was created an exception routine that would iterate through the frame pointers on the stack and print the address of each called function to a file when the app crashed in the field. It also saved off various variables indicating when in the transaction the crashed occured as well. I then created a script that would automagically match up these hex values to addresses in the map file and give me a human readable call stack. No more unexplainable, unreproduceable offsite crashes. Totally revolutionized how we do things. I was a hero and suddenly I am THE DOS expert. Mostly I now sit in my cube and read Slashdot, pausing occasionally to help the other developers with their DOS problems. Oh, and I write the occasional module to interface to a new device (RS-232, another unsexy area of expertise).

      3. Live below your means. As I live in the midwest, housing is cheap to begin with. I shopped around until I found a house that needed some work and had a motivated seller. It was $45K (less than I make a year!), has three bedrooms plus a large finished attic, and is located in a reasonably decent, working class neighborhood. A little paint, a new roof on the garage, and some carpet and its good to go. I've almost got it paid off.

      4. Don't get married for a while. For me, this was easy because most of the women I dated up until now have been psychos. Ideally, you want to find a mate that's not horribly materialistic. See that girl with the nice hair and make-up and the designer clothes? Ignore her. She's hugely materialistic and probably a total flake to boot. Instead look for someone that at first glance you wouldn't ordinarily glance at. She's the one wearing the T-shirt and blue jeans and hastily combed hair that likes to stay up all night watching Monty Python. (They do exist, I'm dating her right now. I love you honeybunny.) She may not be as attractive initially but, I've noticed that, if I date an attractive woman with no personality, she quickly becomes less attractive. On the other hand, a relatively unattractive woman with a great personality will become more attractive as you get to know her. (Subjectively attractive that is, they don't let themselves go or anything.)

      5. After establishing yourself as the resident expert in something, be sure your boss knows you are living well beneath your means. But don't tell him outright. You don't want to come off as cocky. Instead, drive a shitty car to work as your primary vehicle or casually discuss how you spent the weekend re-roofing the garage. He'll get the idea. Once your house is paid off and you got it fixed up (and it will be soon within a few short years if you do most things yourself and don't spend a ton of money on a new car or other luxuries), you'll be able to quit any time you want and go to work at the local Dairy Mart and your boss will know it. Suddenly, he's kissing YOUR ass. You won't be asked to work 80 hours a week anymore. You might even get to telecommute.

      Oh, and as for the THC thing, shave your head and keep a sample of clean urine handy.

      So to recap,

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    2. Re:This is what happens when by JakiChan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your plan is somewhat lacking...what about those of us who live in an area that isn't cheap? Sorry, but living "below my means" in the Bay Area means moving to the Central Valley. And commuting 2 hours each way to work. And guess what...more stress.

      Sorry, but I happen to like my toys. I took Friday off for this Labor Day weekend to give me 4 days of no work. What did I do Friday? I went stomping around the Santa Cruz mountains in my new car. And then I came home and watched a movie on my big-ass TV. It was a good day.

      Now the biggest flaw in your plan is that there is a reason you are doing work that no one wants to do. Because it sucks. What's even better is decide what you like to do and then do it. Doing what you love often leads to rewarding work.

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    3. Re:This is what happens when by dogfart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why do the people working in corporate america have this attitude ? Is it just plain fear?

      Short answer: Yes

      Longer answer: Employee are expendable in the USA. You may be let go for not being a "team player" and working the extra hours your peers work. This creates a competitive atmsphere where no one wants to be seen as the slacker. Once you have been let go, you lose your benefits (yes you can continue your health benefits at a very high cost under a program called COBRA, but that is short term and ver expensive). Unemployment benefits are very small compared to any salaried position - you must have a very frugal lifestyle to live on unemployment (also some employers are very skilled at "terminating" employees in such a way that they are unable to collect unemployment at all). Finally, folks who have been terminated are treated like pariahs by many potential employers. I know this from being on the hiring end - "If this person were any good, why were they let go?"

      When you have been through this, you have the requisite level of fear necessary to ensure you will not get let go again. You colleagues who acted frightened about your lunch suggestion may have been through this.

      Really, the American economic system is all about fear and greed.

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  16. It's all about balance. by Soko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Buddists have one thing right - there is a Yin and a Yang to everything. Call it a dual edged sword, whetever - in our world, there is an upside and a downside to everything.

    There will enevitably be many +5 (Insightful) comments about how we're being mowed down by "the Man, squeezing more blood out of us to make more money", but when you think about it, the reason for that is we all, in reality, want to be "the Man". We want the things they dangle in front of us, that require disposable income to acquire. "Ooooh, Shiny iPod/Beemer/Opteron" crosses our lips and we've bought into this system. Work more to get more things for our "leisure time", which ends up being non-existant. "If work hard, I'll get promoted and get that raise - then I'll get a life" used to be my mantra. Now, after my good paying job was killed and in essence just moved out of province in the name of profits, I'm fed up enough to say "Fuck you - as long as my family is warm, healthy, clothed and fed I'm happy".

    Capitalism is good, it's the best system we've got, but like all things it can go too far. Don't forget why your toiling away - it's to make a life, not make money. Remember, there is a downside to everything - no exceptions.

    Meh. Just Crown Royal influenced ramblings from a slightly bitter old man. On to our regularily scheduled bashing of "the man"...

    Soko

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    1. Re:It's all about balance. by fermion · · Score: 3, Insightful
      But the best balance is about picking and choosing the best of all possible scenarios, not about dogmatic loyalties to particular arbitrary reference frames.

      Capitalism works if there are resources to waste, that is if we can afford to have 20 different firms making a product, knowing that 80% of them will not exist in year, and half the inventory will be surplus.

      In any system there are the vested interests that will oppress to maintain power or profits or whatever. And there are as many people in a America who do nothing but draw a paycheck as anywhere else.

      Furthermore, capitalism depends upon us buying stuff. Therefore, we not only work to get money to buy stuff, we buy stuff so we can work. To me this leads to a flaw of capitalism, in that it requires a somewhat balanced distribution of wealth to function. If a few people have all the money, capitalism will not function as there is only so much stuff that one person can buy. To make sure that people really consume, you have to have a viable middle class, and even a viable lower class, for they are the ones that are going to be the largest consumers of basic goods. The yachts do not drive the economy, the food and clothes and rent does. To do this, as the natural tendency to collect wealth, a significant amount of socialism has to be introduced so that people will have enough confidence that new money will be coming in next week or next month and will therefore spend money instead of saving an undue amount. People who are worried about survival are not going to buy the goods that actually keep a firm afloat.

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  17. Unemlpoyment is OK when you have good benefits by Cryofan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    France and most other European countries will give you far more unemployment benefits than American workers gets. In many EU countries, one could drawa years of unemployment if laid off. Try that here.

    Plus, welfare is far more generous there.

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  18. Good and/or bad by mnemonic_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mod me down if you want. I'll use my karma bonus this time to fend off your savage attacks. Ha ha! Take that.

    Anyways...

    What I find interesting is that if this were about another country, such as Germany, people would be speaking highly of the German people's work ethic, their productivity and their strength. When it's about America though, it's because we're greedy and don't know how to enjoy life (regardless of the fact that for some, work is enjoyable).

    Now what if this article stated that the U.S. had the least stressful workers with the most leisure time? There would be endless comments citing this as evidence of American laziness and preoccupation with entertainment. No matter what, it is possible to interpret the data however one desires, to fit any man's personal slant.

  19. Things are looking up for me-Performance anxiety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Looks like a great time to be a stress-balls manufacturer."

    Trust me. They're already stressed enough.

  20. Temporary effect of capitalism? by Pingla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems quite evident that stress is a result of stronger pressure regarding performance, and this is again a result of tougher competition between companies. So naturally the employers try to squeeze out as much as possible out of their employees as they see it most beneficial. But what I cannot grasp is why they continue to do se even when it has been demonstrated again and again that having overworked and stressed employees doesn't improve efficiency! It may look like it in the short run, but at a point it turns, drastically.

    If a company needs more work done, why not hire more qualified people and keep the working hours down? Overtime is compensated quite heavily and by hiring an extra person instead of all the compensation the company will not spend more money on the work force, more people will be working, and there would be less stress. Can it be this simple, or is there something that I am completely missing? If this had been the most efficient solution one would think it had been adopted as a standard in the constant fight in our capitalistic environment.

    1. Re:Temporary effect of capitalism? by benna · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd say its more of a permanent effect of capitalism. Capitalism is all about people constnatly trying to do more and more, and make more and more money, and get higher and higher positions, and get better and better grades and a million other things. No wonder people are stressed. If people would just sit back and realize that they are ok right where they are they would be alot less stressed. Life is like a dance or a song. You wouldn't dance to get to a spot on the floor or play to get to the end of the song.

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    2. Re:Temporary effect of capitalism? by boomgopher · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If people would just sit back and realize that they are ok right where they are they would be alot less stressed. Life is like a dance or a song. You wouldn't dance to get to a spot on the floor or play to get to the end of the song.

      You don't have a family and kids do you?

      Working hard to buy a home so your family can have stability: good
      Working hard to live in a good neighborhood so your family doesn't live next to drunk homeless guys: good
      Working hard so your wife doesn't have to work (and keeping kids out of daycare): good
      etc...

      That's not capitalism, that's common sense and being responsible.
      And sorry, I don't trust the government enough to let them try and provide those things for me via social programs.

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  21. Might I suggest a cure ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... cool, refreshing marijuana?

    1. Re:Might I suggest a cure ... by benna · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is actually an interesting point. The benefits of a society of pot heads may actually outweigh the costs. With stress costing that much theres a pretty good chance of it anyway.

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      "It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
  22. 50% of all tax returns are less than $35K by Cryofan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fact. Google it. In 2002 (or was it 2003?), about 30% of all tax return had a gross income of less than $20K. And about 50% of all tax returns had a gross income of less than $35K. That is counting BOTH single and joint filers. Those people are working the longer hours with little vacation just like the rest of America, but it is a little hard to get all those SUVs on that pay. Let's fact it: we Americans do not make as much money as we like to pretend we do.

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  23. Re:399 driik by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Alright man, time to get out of the slashdot gutter.

    Alcoholics Anonymous

    See, that's at least two times you've done this now. Yesterday sometime

    Of course, there is the chance that you are joking. I doubt anyone could type that bad and still be close enough for me to rad it intentionally.

    And yes, this is way offtopic. I better post something related, insightfully if possible

    See, this is the kind of thing that is a result of stress. 300 Billion a year is hard to imagine. This guy posting drunk to slashdot, cause he (maybe) drinks away the stress on weekends, that's something we can relate to. All that money is just speculation, but see what a little stress and a lot of alcohol will do to you? This is what's runing america.

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  24. Ethnocentrism by shubert1966 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    " US are very too dumb, they will elect Bush and they stress, it's very funny!"

    " US are very too dumb . . ."
    This part of your sentence does not translate well. The flaw in your grammar could, with a little allusion, be extended so that YOU (plural) are ignorant also.

    " . . .they will elect Bush and they stress , , ,"
    The 'each and several states' send delegates to the appropriate state capitols in the second week of December. These electors will cast their votes for President and Vice President. http://www.fec.gov/pages/ecworks.htm
    Individual citizens will vote of course, but the popular vote in a presidential election is only a barometer for the electors to gauge the political atmosphere. Additionally, many/most of us will not vote for Bush.

    " . . .it's very funny!" The word you're looking for is "ironic", perhaps "sardonic". George W. Bush being president has been anything but funny.

    Maybe you'd like us to vote for isolationist Pat Buchanan?
    See: https://www.cato.org/dailys/12-22-99a.html

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  25. The Perfect Solution! by Clark_Griswold · · Score: 5, Funny

    Outsource our stress to India! They'd be glad to stress out at 1/3 the cost.

    - Primary numbers are out to kill me

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  26. Greed by sbillard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Out of touch executives are running the country (US) into the ground from within. They percieve a need to squeeze every penny into their quarterly EPS reports. CxOs will stop at nothing to look good on paper. Their shortsighted strategies combined with an out-of-touch lifestyle make life a living hell for a vast majority of their collective underlings. Their only concerns in life are:
    1. Where do I park my boat? What? No valet service?!?
    2. ???
    3. PROFIT!!!!!

    If executives were more entrenched and had more at stake there would be more coherent operations at work. CxOs need to have their livelyhood at stake in the same way the rest of us do in order to make the right decision. Nothing trickles down to the underlings. You might survive in this corporate culture by sucking up. 1 minute of "face time" has become much more important than fixing a problem or making an improvement. God help us all.

    1. Re:Greed by dhalgren99 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Out of touch executives are running the country (US)

      You mispelt Ruining...

    2. Re:Greed by FFFish · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It doesn't help that executive pay is so insanely high, either. What is it this year, 600x average salary? WTF?!

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  27. So Slack! by DaHat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Want to avoid stress while on the job?

    Just don't care!

    Yea... that deadline is coming quick, but who cares? Which is more important? Some product getting out the door or your sanity and full head of hair?

    1. Re:So Slack! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about my paycheck.

      If you dont do the dealines then your employer owes it to its shareholders to find someone else who will.

      With Indians doing that for 7-14k a year what choice do you have? Suck it up?

    2. Re:So Slack! by wizrd_nml · · Score: 2, Funny
      Which is more important? Some product getting out the door or your sanity and full head of hair?

      I tried not caring... I still lost my hair :(

  28. Nice to see a verification. by geekwench · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Interesting article, but it's not anything that I hadn't already figured out - a long time ago.

    Once upon a time, I worked for the Company Formerly Known as USWorst. That experience left me with more knowledge of both their database and their employee benefits program than I ever wanted to know. The stress of that position also left me with carpal tunnel syndrome, the beginnings of a whopping good ulcer, and stress-related dissociative attacks. (Literally, my brain was going on mini-vacations, and neglecting to take me along with it.)
    Now, I own my own business. The pay isn't as regular, but my schedule is my own, and the unreasonable request list is pretty minimal. The carpal tunnel still flares up form time to time, but it's in remission without surgery. (Since I use my hands a lot, this is a critical point.) The other problems started to heal as soon as I escaped the toxic work environment. I'm not spending as much time sitting in a doctor's office, and nowhere near as much money on things like Pepto and pain relief nostrums.

    So, yeah; not exactly news, but it's nice to see that somebody has quantified the impact that work-related stress has on people's lives.

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  29. Death is Nature's Way of Telling You to Slow Down by Detritus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You are not indestructible. I've seen too many friends and coworkers die well before their time. I have chronic health problems that were caused or aggravated by high levels of stress.

    You only have one life. Do you want to spend it working overtime, putting cover sheets on TPS reports and dealing with control freaks in management? Working excessive hours will not make your penis/boobs larger or make you a better person.

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  30. Take the example from the japanse by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 2, Informative
    Let's all do Karoshi !
    Just think of the long-term benefits if we all just follow the trend and work ourselves to death.
    Fewer people on the highways
    Fewer elders collecting retirement
    No need to raise taxes on the beleagured wealthy to prop up social security

    Cheers!

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  31. PARENT IS A TROLL by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Informative
    Parent IS a troll.

    for one thing: I'll take the 35 hour work week.

    Also, they did NOT have negative GDP in 2003. It's close to zero, but it's not negative. Don't believe me? ask the spooks:

    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ fr.html

    thirdly, their unemployment rate, while high, is not 15%. In 2003 it was 9.6%, again per the spooks.

    Parent is a TROLL.

    RS

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  32. Re:Meh by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    When you factor in all the unemployed who aren't counted (unemployed "too long", don't have a permanent address, past employer didn't pay unemployment insurance, aren't bothering to claim, not employed long enough, etc), the US might easily beat France on the REAL unemployment figures.


    Those people living like moles in the New York subways sure as hell aren't counted in the unemployment statistics, but equally they sure as hell aren't "gainfully employed" by anyone. That's a few million, right there.


    The European Union may not have the perfect system (and most of Europe holds to the 35-hour week) but they do seem to be more honest about the real cost of their system.


    If we're spending 300 billion dollars from overwork - money we're no longer earning, because a certain US President just eliminated overtime rules - then we're just burning money we don't have. We'd be better off banning the overtime and putting the money into better healthcare. We'd be paying the same, it's just that we'd be in better physical shape when we do fall ill, and the health system would be in better shape to take care of us.


    Of course, you could argue that the country is overcrowded anyway. True enough, but I'm not sure that involuntary euthanasia by excessive workloads is really the way to deal with the problem.


    I guess this could be taken by a cynic as confirming previous Slashdot articles which claimed that Republicans were mentally ill and had deficient brain activity.

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  33. someone who spent two months proving the obvious-- by jswatz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's me, the reporter who wrote the story. What fascinated me about this is that everybody knows that workplace stress is a problem, but you rarely see the dots connected. There's a lot of fascinating research out there -- especially the Scandinavian studies showing links between change in the workplace and illness. Anyway, I didn't mean to stress y'all out. But I have to say that I did think of slashdotters often while I was writing it...

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    "speaking only for myself since 1957"
  34. Bullshit. Without stress nothing gets done! by msgilligan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure stress may cost $300 billion per year in related costs, but the absence of stress would eliminate at least half of the remaining $11,000 billion in U.S. GDP.

  35. Entitlement by aka-ed · · Score: 2, Insightful
    As a member of the unemployed, I have to cover the costs of my own stress. How do I get my fair share of that $300 billion?

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  36. Re:Meh by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately, the US is rated 38th in business efficiency among the 188 nations recognized by the UN. Several countries with features like 35 hour work weeks, twice our number of government recognized holidays, Manditory minima of 2 weeks vacation/year, and so on are doing about as well as us

    (England, Scotland, Ireland, Denmark)

    or actually better

    (Australia, Holland, Germany, Sweden, and some smaller nations such as Iceland).

    We rank 7th in average prices, while France, for all the problems you point out is at least 15th, partially though not completly offsetting that high unemployment. France has a much higher average income tax rate (They're 5th, with an average of 50.5%, while the US is 26th, with an average of 30.5%), and I'd argue that that extra 20% is quite enough to give them their unemployment rate.

    Are the French, over all, doing worse than us? Probably yes. Are we doing the best? Probably not.
    Where did I get these numbers?

    http://www.nationmaster.com/

    (On the economic menu, several of these are in the section under ... more economic stats, instead of the main menu. Nationmaster gets its numbers from multiple sources, including the UN councel on economic development, but also the CIA's world factbook.

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  37. I Am the man by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Insightful
    At least for myself. And I am a harsh boss - no drinking until at least 3pm! My stupid dot-com went bust, like so many others, so, now, I work for myself.

    When I am not working I relish the fact that I am saving thousands ($USD) per month in taxes, so the lack of income really isn't that bad, since I don't aquire every "Ooooh, Shiny iPod/Beemer/Opteron" piece of crap that passes in front of me.

    When I am working, I can easily take in $10 - $12K per month. Taxes eat almost half of it, but I always stash plenty away as a "stress reducer", for later.

    There would be a lot less stress in the world if people didn't buy more than they could afford. I have zero credit card debt, and own my cars. I could have bought beemers, but paying cash for Toyotas is so much less stress. Plan to live on a "flippin burgers" income and just think of all the stess-reducing beer money you will have when you earn more!

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  38. Spinning wheels? by earlgreen · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In actual fact, a lot of the work done in those long hours is BS busy work that's either pandering to the overblown ego of some nutso boss or tied up in Dilbertesque office politics and ridiculously heavy "business process". When's the last time you worked in a place that actually had a concept of what work leads to a better bottom line, and focused only on that? How much of the average job could be tossed out the window with no impact to the company's profitability? I wonder how the cost of basic inefficiency stacks up against this $300B.

  39. Re:Meh by Romothecus · · Score: 5, Insightful
    GDP can be easily shown to be a falsely inflated measure of economic value and production. If one country gives mothers maternity leave, and mothers stay home and raise children, this lowers GDP in comparison to a second country where there is maternity leave and babies are cared for by hired professionals. The act of hiring and paying a professional increases GDP by the amount the professional caregiver is paid. However, all other things being equal, the actual amount of work done is no greater. All that has happened is social capital has been internalized by the market in one instance, and GDP looks higher. This is not necessarily better unless you think GDP is some magical number that makes everything better.

    In another example, let's say I spill a tanker of oil off the New England coast. Damage to the economy and value of lost oil will be arbitrarily set at $50 billion dollars. If, however, the cleanup costs are $60 billion dollars paid out to various workers to clean up the mess, then the GDP will actually increase by $10 billion dollars, despite the fact that nothing actually got produced - some idiot just made a big mess and then someone cleaned it up.

    GDP is big fat lie.

  40. TRUE! unemployment is actually twice "official" # by Romothecus · · Score: 2, Informative
  41. Stressssss by phrostypoison · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've recently been stressing out myself due to stress of trying to hide myself from stressing. It didn't work. I am still stressed out of stress! Say, anyone here invest STRS?

  42. Less stressed, but just as industrious, Europe by Cryofan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But what about Europe: they are less stressed, but the Industrial Revolution started there!

    The reason they are less stressed is because their governments have restrained the amount of leverage that employers may apply to the employee.

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  43. I figure I break even by mod_parent_down · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since I relieve my stress by chilling out, listening to the $20 million worth of CDs I ripped onto my computer.

  44. Related Article (Business 2.0) by AlexMidn1ght · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There was an interesting article about the different mentality regarding work hours in Europe in the August issue of Business 2.0 entitled All Work, No Play? It Doesn't Pay. (hope this link works for everyone)

    I think the subtitle speaks for it self : "European companies get it, but when will their workaholic American counterparts? Longer hours don't always add up to better work."

  45. Interesting, but hardly conclusive by topher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Workplace stress costs the nation more than $300 billion each year in health care, missed work and the stress-reduction industry that has grown up to soothe workers and keep production high, according to estimates by the American Institute of Stress in New York

    Seems kind of useless to know that stress costs $300 billion per year without knowing the benefits of that stress. Surely some of this stress results in increased productivity. (I know I never get work done unless I have a deadline.)

    Also, how much of this stress is preventable? Surely every culture has some degree of stress. How much would it cost to treat this baseline level of stress in the current American medical system? Without knowing that, it's impossible to tell to what extent this means Americans are really stressed out, or whether this is just another indication that we're relatively well-off and consume lots of expensive health care.

    Workers who report that they are stressed, said Steven L. Sauter, chief of the Organizational Science and Human Factors Branch of the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, incur health care costs that are 46 percent higher, or an average of $600 more per person, than other employees

    Similarly, this could just reflect that those who have stressful jobs also have excellent health plans and thus consume more health care.

  46. By applying stress ... by GringoGoiano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Business gets a $2 trillion (number pulled from nether regions) boost in profits by applying stress. $.3 trillion is a small price to pay, and it's not even business' burden to foot the bill.



    Get real. Stress motivates, and it's an integral part of business strategy.

    1. Re:By applying stress ... by deaddrunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not when you can't sleep at night because you're so stressed out about the next day at work, or have no time to relax because you have to work at home.
      I've taken a 50% pay cut to escape from an environment like that and I've never been happier. Being rich is nice but not when you're freaking out trying to keep up with the crappy culture that exists at far too many companies.

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    2. Re:By applying stress ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yep. Had a manager once who thought just like you...

      Sure enough, he did manage to scare his team into extraordinary levels of work (notice how I didn't say productivity).

      For about three months. Then his best person announced he was leaving for another job. That's OK, the manager thought, I'll just shift the burden over to my remaining people. A couple pf weeks later, employee no. 2 and shortly thereafter employee no. 3 bailed for better pastures.

      Manager's public response: "Fuck 'em. I can have a hundred resumes tomorrow."

      Yep, sure enough he could. But it turns out that it took longer than he expected to find the "right" people, and hey, what do you know, it took quite some time for the new people to get up to speed.

      In which time, everything fell apart. Oh my, how could you have seen this coming? Who could have foretold the tragedy? Cracking whips and screaming tantrums and motivation through fear causes you to lose your best people, increases hours while decimating productivity and will ultimately put you out of business.

  47. You people have it all wrong by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Saying stress cost us $300 billion a year assumes our economy exists to maximize overall wealth and happiness. In point of fact, our economy is built around making a select few staggeringly wealthy. All enonomies throughout history have been. Right now we're not really noticing this because Globalization has allowed most people in developed countries to be comfortable w/o having that 1% of the populace who won't settle for less than their every desire compromise a few of the more extravagant ones.

    But as the rest of the world developes, we're running into serious resource shortages. As these shortages start to be felt, the greedy won't scale back their extravagance, so the rest will be made to suffer. The stress will be increased, your health will go to hell. But it won't matter, since there are plenty of fresh bodies to replace you, just waiting to be used up. Right now this is an issue because society can afford to coddle it's workers while letting that 1% live like they always have (the phrase 'live like a king' didn't just come out of nowhere). Wait and see. The response to a study like this won't be treating workers better, it'll be discarding them faster.

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  48. this just in... by null-sRc · · Score: 2, Funny

    sleep nearly halves the world economy!

    all those man hours lost; for what?

    just so some fat cats can make money selling pajamas and pillows?!

    so come on people, pop those caffeine pills and stop hindering the economy!

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  49. Re:Cycle. by mikera · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The whole idea of "the money going back into the economy" is an oft-repeated fallacy.

    It's a good idea to avoid confusing "money" with economic wealth. They are actually only very loosely linked, and the fact that money continues to circulate is largely irrelevant to whether the economy does better or worse.

    As an example, let's say a falling tree crushed your car and you buy a new one for £20,000 (no insurance - damn). You are worse off by £20,000. Other people (car dealer, company, suppliers etc.) are on aggregate better off by £20,000 minus the full cost of making and selling one car.

    Money supply hasn't changed for the economy as a whole - the £20,000 just changed hands. But the economy as a whole is worse off by the cost of making and selling one additional car.

    In the same way, money spent on medical expenses casued by stress absolutely does represent a real loss to the economy as a whole. The size of the loss here is the cost of providing those medical services.

    Whether this loss is worth it or not due to other benefits of a stressful work environment is, of course, a separate question.

  50. Good for you, man by Sviams · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Interesting interpretation, but I think you kinda missed the whole point of the GP.
    The idea is not that you reduce stress by stockpiling money instead of spending it, which may be a general difference between europeans and americans as pointed by a previous poster. In no way does that correlate to the amount of stress these people submit themselves to when acquiring said amounts of money.

    No, friends, what the Buddhists along with several other less-respected-in-the-eyes-of-capitalism movements have figured out lies on a deeper level, and without going into detail, it involves realising that excessive greed for whatever reason is a serious hindrance on the path to true happiness.

  51. You're making the broken window fallacy by guybarr · · Score: 3, Informative
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  52. download link for the study itself by owen+boswarva · · Score: 2, Informative

    'Economic Security for a Better World' (ILO -International Labour Organization)
    (5.49MB PDF)

    password: universe

  53. You have to make a very concious decision by nomadicGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I guess I am lucky to have had a few good role models growing up and early in my career. You should pick the 1 or 2 most important things that need to be done, knock them out, and then move on to the next 1 or 2. Concentrating your effort and attention gives much better results. You get more done in less time and you make fewer mistakes. It is much more effective and a lot less stressful.

    One of my first bosses is like that. The "fire fighters" as we called them would be running around frantically all stressed out about every problem. They always looked really busy and really stressed. He, on the other hand, would sit down and make a list of the problems and figure out how best to tackle the situation and then concentrate on one item at a time. He would get that one highest priority item done properly and then move on to the next. Sometimes people would get pissed at him for not working on 10 other things but he would stick with it and get them all done. The fire fighters would always look more busy and frantic but in the end they would accomplish very little and much of that would have to be redone.

    Never mistake activity for work. You have to be deliberate and figure out how to get the highest value out of your time. Work less, be more effective, make more money. That's my motto. Everybody gets the same 24 hours in a day. Its how you use them that counts.

  54. Costs of Reducing Stress by haircut · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The stress may cost 300 billion, but would reducing it cost more?

    Why wouldn't this be an optimum level?

  55. Random musings by LarsWestergren · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just some random musings, don't try to find a coherent train of thought...

    Some research suggests that people can't really concentrate well more than 6 hours a day (three hours in the morning, and three hours in the afternoon after a lunch break), if even that. Even so, try getting companies to let their employees off that easy.

    Among my friends are some people who work or worked for international companies such as Ericsson, Volvo or Saab-Scania. They said when they came to the US they thought it striking how most companies either didn't allow proper lunch breaks, or had employess who were eager to show how efficient they were. Instead of 40min-1 hour time to go to a resturant, most of the employees remained in their cubicles and ate some sandwiches while continuing their work.

    Also, while American workers stayed long, perhaps until 5-6 pm, there was a noticing slacking of pace in the afternoon. People pent more time talking around the water cooler, killing time by surfing or just staring into space. They were just mentally exhausted and couldn't do much efficient work, but they were still required to stay for several hours.

    One of my friends held a presentation about Swedish working conditions. When he talked about the generous working laws and vacations, such as 4-6 hours paid vacation per year minimum (even with "vacation bonus" to your salary, since you spend more when you are on vacation), the workers were amazed and the managers started to fidget and make unhappy faces. He wasn't allowed to do that presentation ever again. :-)

    I really liked a recent article in the Economist, that suggested that European and American productivity was about equal, Europeans just choose to sacrifice income in favour of more free times, and Americans were willing to sacrifice free time in favour of more money. Perhaps the old joke that Europeans work to live, and Americans live to work has some truth in it. I'm not looking down on people in the US, but I think I prefer our system.

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    Being bitter is drinking poison and hoping someone else will die

  56. Re:Meh by Romothecus · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Precisely. But GDP does not care about what end to which work is put - only the amount of work. Remember 1984 - "goods must be produced, but they must not be distributed."

    So in our hypothetical oil spill, the GDP measures the entire process as a positive effect, when in reality it is simply correcting a disaster. Do you really think it helps the economy to go around creating natural disasters and then spending vast sums of money cleaning them up?

    By the same argument, littering is good for the economy, because someone has to be hired to clean up the mess. Vandalism is good for the economy. Perceptions of a lack of security are good for the economy - guards must be hired to create "security."

    GDP fails to take into account if work is being put towards a useful goal. $10 billion net GDP gain from cleaning up spilled oil is not the same as $10 billion net GDP gain from employing engineers to design more effecient car engines.