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Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2003-2004

An anonymous reader writes "Project Censored has come out with its list of the most censored media stores of 2003-2004. Some of the gems are "Bush Administration Censors Science", "U.S. Develops Lethal New Viruses", "Media and Government Ignore Dwindling Oil Supplies" and "Reinstating the Draft"."

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  1. Strangely Appropriate... by Mateito · · Score: 5, Funny
    Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2003-2004

    Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

    1. Re:Strangely Appropriate... by cammoblammo · · Score: 4, Funny
      Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

      The site was /.ed when I tried to look at it. Or was it...?

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    2. Re:Strangely Appropriate... by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 4, Informative

      Two bills proposing a draft _were_ in Congress for a while. They didn't pass, of course; they were just posturing.

    3. Re:Strangely Appropriate... by Palmzombie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The project Censored site it nothing more than a compilation of stories which have been reported as censored by people who haven't a clue about what they are talking about. Let take for example a story about the "Radiation Poisoning" of the Afganastani people, and are that is my studied, both undergraduate and graduate, and professionally certified area of expertise. This story is filled with "Junk science" that every peer reviewed journal has discredited. They claimed the same nonsense in Bosnia due to our use of depleted uranium, and these were all found to be false. Depleted uranium is just that "depleted" it cannot become "non-depleted" and its presence does not cause levels of "non-depleted" uranium in the population. I've seen the studies, the data, and have had close friends sent on missions to take samples, perform laboratory analysis, and draw scientific conclusions. None of which agree with the pseudo science spawned by the activists who do not follow chain of custody sample collection and perform substandard laboratory analysis. These stories are hardly "censored" in fact the study of this data is out in the public forum, its just that the people trying to prove their point of radiation poisoning have been entirely discredited in the scientfic arena. The solution? Claim "censorship" and a coverup to draw media attention because you can't prove your point with science. So revert to inuendo and distortion. So very sad.

    4. Re:Strangely Appropriate... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's a very intereting statement, especially when looked at in conjunction with the fact that hundreds of scientists, including 20 Nobel laureats, say that the current government is falsifying data and stacking the panels which come up with the data with political appointees.

      This:

      "Depleted uranium is just that "depleted" it cannot become "non-depleted" and its presence does not cause levels of "non-depleted" uranium in the population"

      is just a bogus statement. It doesn't refute anything, and is actually selfnegating...and really tells me that you know shit about science, let alone the science behind nuclear physics. Shooting depleted uranium shells /does/ increase the levels of depleted uranium in the population...and that leads to radioactive poisoning due to the fact that the DU does not burn up entirely during use. And, not so oddly enough, Gulf War Syndrome looks suspiciously like low level radiation poisoning.

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  2. Top Censored Comment of Year by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 4, Funny

    Go **** ******* you *******.

    This content added to avoid "lameness."

    1. Re:Top Censored Comment of Year by jpnews · · Score: 5, Funny

      This content added to avoid "lameness."

      Nice try.

  3. still censored.. by rehabdoll · · Score: 4, Funny

    And thanks to slashdot, they are still censored.

    1. Re:still censored.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't forget Coral! Just add .nyud.net:8090 onto any domain name, and use the cached web-page, just like this:

      http://www.projectcensored.org.nyud.net:8090/publi cations/2005/index.html

    2. Re:still censored.. by Darby · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's too bad they don't mention John Kerry, and the DNCs, attempt to censor the Swift Boat Veterans using these letters.

      The Swift Boat Veterans have been outed as a bunch of lying sacks of shit.
      Every single one of their statements have been proven untrue.
      Please start paying attention in the future.

      The only reason they are still in the news is that the media is so far to the right that truth takes a back seat to pushing the treasonous Bush agenda.

      Pull your head out of your ass and quit spreading lies.

    3. Re:still censored.. by reynolds_john · · Score: 4, Informative
      Well, it won't matter what "facts" are presented, since each side (left, right) will determine what they want to believe anyway.

      However, it doesn't take much to stumble upon well researched information concerning the Swift Boat Veterans themselves, nor the actual photocopies of the citations for John Kerry. I present the following URLs for you to make up your own mind, and I welcome any other URLs:

      FactCheck.org
      Disinformation.org
      Washington Post
      Swift Boats Eriposte"
      ... there are so many more I can't even count, just Google for yourself.

      I must admit, I find it amazing that people continue to attack Kerry's role in Vietnam, while seemingly at the same time perfectly able to ignore the ample facts that George W. Bush didn't make it anywhere near Vietnam, and Vice President Dick Cheney managed to skirt the war entirely. Those are indisuputable facts.

  4. Interesting... by cerberus4696 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...how all of these 'censored' stories reflect a left-leaning viewpoint.

    1. Re:Interesting... by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...how all of these 'censored' stories reflect a left-leaning viewpoint.

      It's not that interesting. Power right now rests with the right; stories with a right-wing slant are promoted, left-leaning stories demoted or censored. The time to complain about a left-wing slant in when power rests with the left.

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    2. Re:Interesting... by caluml · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because most of the main US media outlets are, at least from what I see in the UK, terribly right wing?

    3. Re:Interesting... by captnitro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, in all forms of media, in all places.

      Which is why where I live in Southwestern Virginia, the 700 Club dominates my television programming, and I can't find anything on the radio that isn't conservative talk shows or Gospel.

      Not everyone lives in New York.

    4. Re:Interesting... by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Who controls the media in this country?

      Corporations and shareholders?

      But seriously, how naive are you?

      Liberal journalists report to sub-editors who report to editors who report to directors who report to boards who report to shareholders. You think the board of any major news-gathering organisation consist of Socialist Party members - or Republicans? Or at least people on salaries that would benefit more from a Republican economic policy than a Democrat one?

      Maybe political power rests with the "right" but the last time I checked the balance of power in the Senate and House was pretty evenly matched. Take off your tin-foil hat.

      The Senate and House serve as a balance to the Office of the President; I'd suggest if they're split evenly if gives greater power (opportunity, whatever) to the President. You neglected to mention the Legislative branch; however, I'll concede that there, too, there are balances. It doesn't alter the fact that - right now - most people would acknowledge that it would be more accurate to describe the USA as "right-wing", compared to, say, 5 years ago (which most people, in the US at least[1], would probably class as "left-wing").

      And I resent the implication in the tin-foil hat comment. I made a comment about political reality, not some half-baked fear that "those damn Republicans are out to draft my daughter".

      [1] I'm not a US resident: I regard Clinton as a centrist politican, albeit slightly left-of-centre.

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    5. Re:Interesting... by moof1138 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I realize that you feel that way, but polls of journalists makes it clear that your feeling doesn't reflect reality. I am afraid I can't dredge up the dang polls I was recently reading, but the numbers are pretty close to 50/50 for many major newspapers. When you turn to TV news, the Republicans dominate all over. Even NPR, which many consider left leaning has 60% Republican journalists (!).

      In the end the viewpoints of the Journos are relatively unimportant. Editorial control is what matters, and the editors kowtow to advertisers and political pressure from whoever is in power (currently Republicans).

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    6. Re:Interesting... by jlgolson · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are three parts of the US Government

      Executive Branch
      President and a whole bunch of other depts under him

      Legislative Branch
      Congress or Senate and House or Reps

      Judicial Branch
      Supreme Court and othe Federal Courts

      All are "evenly matched" through "checks and balances".

      If the Senate and House are evenly split, the power splits pretty evenly. When we're talking about passing laws and such, you need 51% to get anything done. In the Senate it's even worse, because you need a much higher percentage to defeat a filibuster (such as the Democrats have done recently to Bush Judicial nominees).

      For more info about the left-leaning US Media read Bias by Bernard Goldberg.

    7. Re:Interesting... by jlgolson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pew Research: http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.org/

      First, you are wrong: http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.org/journalist_surv ey_prc4.asp

      For the National Press:
      34% liberal, 54% moderate, 7% conservative
      Average American:
      20% liberal, 41% moderate, 33% conservative

      Spin from both sides:

      NPR Spin about said report: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTI CLE_ID=39754

      More spin: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTI CLE_ID=39754

      More spin: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTI CLE_ID=39754

    8. Re:Interesting... by bleppie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry, but there's still a leftist slant in the general media.

      The media is pro-corporate rather than liberal or conservative. Their pro-corporate viewpoints are often in line with conservative viewpoints, and so the media is often seen as conservatively biased, when in fact their bias is pro-corporate.

      A good start: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-liberalmedia.htm

      This from FAIR: http://www.fair.org/reports/journalist-survey.html

      And of course this, although I have not read it: http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/

    9. Re:Interesting... by Xabraxas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those numbers are totally flawed. A more accurate depiction of the average american can be made by asking questions about issues rather than flat out asking whether one holds a liberal or conservative idealogy. Conservatives have tarnished the word "liberal" and people fear that label. When asked about the issues themselves more people have liberal beliefs than conservative beliefs. The gap between people who call themselves liberal and people who have liberal beliefs is very large. The label someone gives themself does not necessarily hold true. Just look at Zell Miller.

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  5. Here's the list by wolenczak · · Score: 5, Informative

    #1: Wealth Inequality in 21st Century Threatens Economy and Democracy
    #2: Ashcroft vs. the Human Rights Law that Hold Corporations Accountable
    #3: Bush Administration Censors Science
    #4: High Levels of Uranium Found in Troops and Civilians
    #5: The Wholesale Giveaway of Our Natural Resources
    #6: The Sale of Electoral Politics
    #7: Conservative Organization Drives Judicial Appointments
    #8: Cheney's Energy Task Force and The Energy Policy
    #9: Widow Brings RICO Case Against U.S. government for 9/11
    #10: New Nuke Plants: Taxpayers Support, Industry Profits
    #11: The Media Can Legally Lie
    #12: The Destabilization of Haiti
    #13: Schwarzenegger Met with Enron's Ken Lay Years Before the California Recall
    #14: New Bill Threatens Intellectual Freedom in Area Studies
    #15: U.S. Develops Lethal New Viruses
    #16: Law Enforcement Agencies Spy on Innocent Citizens
    #17: U.S. Government Represses Labor Unions in Iraq in Quest for Business Privatization
    #18: Media and Government Ignore Dwindling Oil Supplies
    #19: Global Food Cartel Fast Becoming hte World's Supermarket
    #20: Extreme Weather Prompts New Warning from UN
    #21: Forcing a World Market for GMOs
    #22: Censoring Iraq
    #23: Brazil Holds Back in FTAA Talks, But Provides Little Comfort for the Poor of South America
    #24: Reinstating the Draft
    #25: Wal-Mart Brings Inequality and Low Prices to the World

    1. Re:Here's the list by FFFish · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Top 25 US Stories not reported by the US media. Some other nations media may well have covered this stuff.

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  6. Be Cautious of Sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm an avid progressive, and I identify with many of the issues presented in this list ... but all of these articles should be taken with a grain of salt.
    Many of the articles come from seriously left-leaning rags. BuzzFlash, for example, is hyperliberal, and the editorials are often kind of tin-foil hat. Oneworld.net, "Organic Consumer" ... these are all good sources of information, but you've got to keep a close eye on what you're reading, and sift through the editorializing to get to the facts.

    Just my 3.14...

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  7. Censored Non-Stories? by Viscount9 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Oh my god lobbying groups - conservative ones! - are influcing judicial appointments!

    Holy shit Batman!

    I am sure during the Clinton years it would be: Baby Killer Lobbying Groups Influence Judicial Appointments!

    Well, probably not, since these lists are pretty left in their bias.

    Everyone once in awhile, the list does have very interesting info. But this is just like reading something from MoveOn.org.

    Anyone who follows the news beyond CNN, would know this and wouldnt be too alarmed by these "censored" stories.

  8. Hmm by Erwos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem I have is more that "censored" implies that the government went through with a pair of scissors and yanked out the offending stories. Not being widely covered is not really the same thing as being censored.

    Also, the site seems to be heavily Democratic in orientation. This could be a result of the more left-leaning college students who compile it, I suppose. But I wouldn't take the whole thing as a simple, unbiased academic exercise. Their commentary on the draft, for instance, reeks of a rather lop-sided view of the issue.

    -Erwos

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    1. Re:Hmm by jilles · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually there is a lot of 'soft' censoring going on where mass media do not report or downplay facts that might harm political interests. Stuff gets labeled unpatriotic; foxnews estimates several tens of thousands demonstraters hit the streets in new york when other newssources are reporting several hundreds of thousands; CNN literally quoting some defense department monkey (50 terrorists have died, no mention of the dozens of civilians that were in the area). That sort of thing.

      Frequently, the facts are picked up by mass media anyway after they've been exposed sufficiently by other media. But very often facts are succesfully hidden/misrepresented. Photos from dead US soldiers are rare. On a few occasions such photos made frontpage news but considering the amount of casualties there have actually been few of these reports. The US government discourages such reports and the media comply.

      A disturbing recent trend is to label anything out of line with the republican party's vision as unpatriotic and liberal. The latter used to be a compliment but somehow the reality distortion field that covers the US nowadays has turned this into something evil. It's really amusing to watch the 'land of the free' become scared of 'liberal' opinions. The US is 'at war with terrorism' and anybody who says otherwise is a dangerous leftwing extremist.

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    2. Re:Hmm by Knos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you really think that anybody like saddam could bribe countries in the g7? You think such countries are so poor they have to take money from a old, failing dictator, when they could just sell airbuses to china?

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    3. Re:Hmm by OoSync · · Score: 3, Informative

      "UN nations opposing overthrow of Saddam found to have taken bribes from same".

      Are you referring to the UN Oil-for-Food scandals? I seem to remember that the only source for that scandal (Ahmed Chalabi) is currently very much out-of-favor with the U.S. and the Iraqi government. Yes, that's the same Chalabi currently under investigation for passing sensitive American information to the Iranian mullahs. As far as I've heard, he's the only source, and he's been known to . . . shall we say, stretch the truth a bit.

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  9. Interesting article on the draft issue by usurper_ii · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I don't think it is going to happen, I thought this was a really interesting article on the draft issue...and it came out of the Family Circle of all places. If my wife hadn't had it laying around, I would have probably never even heard about this. -- Usurper_ii

    Could your child be drafted?
    by Jan Goodwin

    High-school seniors have a lot on their minds these days--applying to
    college, getting accepted, finding the funds to pay for it, then worrying
    about whether they can get a job once they graduate. One thing they hadn't
    counted on, however, was being drafted into the military when they turn 18.

    There hasn't been a draft in the United States since 1973, but indications
    are strong that next year that may change. And for the first time, young
    women as well as men can expect to be called.

    Why a return to the draft? Because our troops (stationed in two-thirds of
    the world's countries) are spread so thinly, and because high casualty rates
    in Iraq and Afghanistan have dramatically reduced recruitment and
    reenlist-ment levels. A poll taken last year by Stars and Stripes, a
    Pentagon-funded newspaper for service personnel, found that 49 percent of
    respondents were not planning to reenlist.

    According to retired U.S. Army Colonel David Hackworth, a military analyst
    and one of the most decorated officers in the army, the U.S. military is now
    so shorthanded that a whopping 40 percent of the 135,000 troops being
    rotated into Iraq are National Guard members and reservists. Adds
    Congressman Charles Rangel (D-NY); '"We haven't called up this level of
    reservists since the Korean War."

    What's more, if House and Senate bills HR163 and S89 pass, the loophole 'of
    college, used by many to avoid serving in Vietnam, will be closed next time
    around. All men and women ages 18 to 26 would be eligible for induction once
    they have completed high school. Further, the Smart Border Declaration,
    signed by Canadian and U.S. officials in December 2001, should keep would-be
    draft dodgers in this country.

    Congressman Rangel, author of the House bill, which is now before the Armed
    Services Committee (Ernest Hollings [D-SC] authored the Senate version),
    explains that the Administration's commitment to a prolonged presence in the
    Middle East, the prospect of additional military interventions, and the fact
    that "half of Guards and reservists say they have no intention to stay in"
    are strong indicators that "ultimately we will run out of bodies."

    "We shouldn't need a draft," says Rangel, "but now that we've been involved
    in a war, the patriotic thing is shared sacrifice. Currently, the rich get a
    tax cut, and the poor get a chance to make the ultimate sacrifice."

    Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE), addressing the Senate Foreign Relations
    Committee in April, concurred. "Why shouldn't we ask all our citizens to
    bear some responsibility and pay some price?'" he said.

    Feeling a Draft?

    The Administration denies that a draft is in the works. Secretary of Defense
    Donald Rumsfeld has stated: "We're not going to reimplement a draft. There
    is no need for it. The disadvantages of using compulsion to bring into the
    armed forces the men and women needed are notable."

    But, says Ron Paul, M.D., an eight-term Republican congressman from Texas
    and a former Air Force surgeon, '"You don't listen to what they say, you
    watch what they do. The Administration says no, but what we've gotten from
    the Pentagon and elsewhere is yes."

    One sign of that, says Rick Jahnkow, program coordinator of the nonprofit
    Project on Youth and Non-Military Opportunities, was that last fall
    "[Presidential adviser] Karl Rove polled Republican members of Congress on
    how they felt about the draft. They said they'd support the President."

    "This is not surprising," comments Dr. Paul, who sits on the International
    Relations Committee and was one of only six Republican congressmen who vote

    1. Re:Interesting article on the draft issue by praksys · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is worth noting several things:

      (1) Every branch of the military is meeting or exceeding recruitment and re-enlistment goals (unlike in the 1990s).
      (2) The all volunteer military used to be twice the size it is now (prior to cuts at the end of the cold war), so there is every reason to think that the military could double in size without a draft.
      (3) The politicians warning of a return of the draft are in fact the sponsors of the bills that would bring back the draft. In other words the *only* people showing an interest in the draft are opponents of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
      (4) And (3) is no surprise because most of the opposition to the Vietnam war was really opposition to the draft. The last thing that the Bush administration wants is to bring back the draft.

      Opponents of these wars think that if the draft is brought back then opposition to the wars will grow. Which in turn is why the Bush administration has no interest in the draft whatsoever. In fact Donald Rumsfeld resisted an expansion of the military by a mere 30,000 volunteer troops. The idea that he would want to expand the military with hundreds of thousands of conscripts is nonsense.

    2. Re:Interesting article on the draft issue by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Informative
      1) Meeting goals you have set for yourself is disturbingly easy. The fact golas are being met means nothing if you set your goals at a level you know you will make.

      The military has a spcified force level that they cannot go above. Mandated by Congress. They do not take everyone who shows up.

      2) There weren't a lot of casualties in the armed forces those days either though.

      Clinton made the military a 'not nice' place to be. Failed campains (Somalia) enforced this.

      4) I'm not saying Bush wants to bring back the draft, but the fact is he may have little choice if he keeps sending people off to overthow regiemes around the world.

      Again...the President cannot simply say "I need another 100,00 troops. That authorization must go through Congress.

    3. Re:Interesting article on the draft issue by BeBoxer · · Score: 3, Informative

      (1) Every branch of the military is meeting or exceeding recruitment and re-enlistment goals (unlike in the 1990s).

      Do you have any reference for that? Because I can find plenty saying the opposite. And in fact detailing the "stop-loss" orders being used to keep current troops in past their obligations.

    4. Re:Interesting article on the draft issue by praksys · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sure. Here is a CNN article on the shortfalls in the 1990s. Here are some articles on recruiting for 2002, 2003 and 2004.

      The concerns about recruiting and reenlistment have all been based on opinion polls that predicted that shortfalls would arise. So far there is no sign of those shortfalls actually arising. I guess the polls are not reliable predictors of what people will actually do.

      As for the stop-loss orders, this is reasonably informative. The orders only apply to units that are deployed, so they make no difference to the task of meeting yearly recruitment and reenlistment goals.

  10. In other words.... by damiangerous · · Score: 3, Informative
    "Things that didn't get as much attention as we think they should." According to their About Us page this is just:

    "an annual list of 25 news stories of social significance that have been overlooked, under-reported or self-censored by the country's major national news media."

    This is a total non-story posed in a dishonestly sensationalistic fashion.

    1. Re:In other words.... by Angry+Toad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Project Censored has been around for a long time now. They're hardly sensationalistic - especially when one considers that they rarely get any attention at all from the media. They're left-leaning, sure. They've never pretended any differently.

      However, at least they're willing to provide links and references. One rarely sees that much from the right wing crazies who like to smear the work of groups like this.

  11. These stories were ignored, but not censored by wired_parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A more appropriate title for this list would have been the 25 most ignored or underreported new stories. I agree that most of the stories mentioned were underreported in the media, they were not censored. Proof being the various references and links shown in each article.

    1. Re:These stories were ignored, but not censored by danheskett · · Score: 4, Insightful

      censor

      to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable

      Is this what happened?

      Did the "mass media" not cover it because it wanted to suppress that which it considered objectionable?

      No. The "mass media" did not cover it because "middle America" - the consumers of "mass media" find it objectionable.

      Many of the articles listed are hyperbole ridden "what-if" scenarios. For example, the Selective Service is planning for a draft? GOOD. THAT'S THEIR MANDATE. Somehow this is supposed to shock the population and move us against a war.

      The whole list is stuff that the compilers are saying "should big big top-line headlines but instead were barely noticed, and that makes us mad". Calling this censor ship is crap.

      Most Americans NO LONGER get their news from a "major network".

      Calling anything in this country "censorship" is bogus. A media outlet not running a story for fear of losing it's audience; a media outlet not publishing or promoting stories based on speculation, FUD, or whim is not "censorship".

      Censorship is communist China, where publishing an article about a religious devotee gets you life in prison; censorship is communist China where publishing pornography gets you executed. Censorshop is in Iraq, where publishing a story critical of the clerics in charge of your city gets you brutally murdered.

      Let's get real here.

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  13. Re:I can't believe #1 is by tsm_sf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The SF Bay Guardian runs this list every year, and it's consistently left leaning. However, there are always a few stories on the list that are centrist, irrefutable and frightening. Like these two from the current list:

    4) High uranium levels found in troops and civilians
    10) New nuke plants: taxpayers support, industry profits

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  14. they are true, and I've checked out #4 carefully by js7a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These stories aren't really censored, they are being ignored, because they are blatantly false....

    On the contrary, take #4 for example, High Levels of Uranium Found in Troops and Civilians, which is ssupported by several publications in the peer-reviewed medical literature.

    Why would anyone be so quick to call it propoganda? 10,000 Gulf War vets have already died of diseases with symptoms identical to uranium dust inhalation. Why deny it?

    Here are the pertinent excerpts, if you don't believe them then tell me exactly what you don't believe:

    UMRC's Field Team found several hundred Afghan civilians with acute symptoms of radiation poisoning along with chronic symptoms of internal uranium contamination, including congenital problems in newborns. Local civilians reported large, dense dust clouds and smoke plumes rising from the point of impact, an acrid smell, followed by burning of the nasal passages, throat and upper respiratory tract. Subjects in all locations presented identical symptom profiles and chronologies. The victims reported symptoms including pain in the cervical column, upper shoulders and basal area of the skull, lower back/kidney pain, joint and muscle weakness, sleeping difficulties, headaches, memory problems and disorientation.

    At the Uranium Weapons Conference held October 2003 in Hamburg, Germany, independent scientists from around the world testified to a huge increase in birth deformities and cancers wherever NDU and DU had been used. Professor Katsuma Yagasaki, a scientist at the Ryukyus University, Okinawa calculated that the 800 tons of DU used in Afghanistan is the radioactive equivalent of 83,000 Nagasaki bombs. The amount of DU used in Iraq is equivalent to 250,000 Nagasaki bombs....

    Sgt. Hector Vega, Sgt. Ray Ramos, Sgt. Agustin Matos and Cpl. Anthony Yonnone from New York's 442nd Guard Unit ... are the first confirmed cases of inhaled uranium oxide exposure from the current Iraq conflict. Dr. Asaf Durokovic, professor of Nuclear Medicine at the Uranium Medical Research Centre http://www.umrc.net/ conducted the diagnostic tests. The story was released April 3, 2004 in the New York Daily News. There is no treatment and there is no cure. http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/180333p-156 685c.html

    Leuren Moret reports, "In my research on depleted uranium during the past 5 years, the most disturbing information concerns the impact on the unborn children and future generations for both soldiers serving in the depleted uranium wars, and for the civilians who must live in the permanently radioactive contaminated regions. Today, more than 240,000 Gulf War veterans are on permanent medical disability and more than 11,000 are dead. They have been denied testing, medical care, and compensation for depleted uranium exposure and related illnesses since 1991."

    Moret continues "Even worse, they brought it home in their bodies. In some families, the children born before the Gulf War are the only healthy members. Wives and female partners of Gulf War veterans have reported a condition known as burning semen syndrome, and are now internally contaminated from depleted uranium carried in the semen of exposed veterans. Many are reporting reproductive illnesses such as endometriosis. In a U.S. government study, conducted by the Department of Veterans Affairs on post-Gulf War babies, 67% were found to have serious birth defects or serious illnesses. They were born without eyes (anophthalmos), ears, had missing organs, missing legs and arms, fused fingers, thyroid or other organ malformations...."

    UMRC found artificial uranium in bomb craters, surrounding watercourses and the bodies of civilians exposed to US Coalition bombing in Afghanistan. Civilians surveyed presented with the classical symptoms

  15. They missed the most censored one. It is... by ColourlessGreenIdeas · · Score: 4, Funny

    This post has been removed in the interests of national security. We thank you for your cooperation.

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  16. Bush & Coke by TrentL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wonder if this story will get covered by the American press. The factual basis seems much more sound than the Swift Boat Liars.

  17. -1 Flamebait by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, this is has to be one of the most biased flamebait articles I have ever seen posted on Slashdot. These so-called "Censored" stories are no better than one organization's personal opinion pieces of what they believe is wrong in the world with little or no evidence of censoring by the media or even evidence of their opinions.

    Take "Wealth Inequality in 21st Century Threatens Economy and Democracy". It is filled with zero-sum fallacies and very little hard evidence to back up their facts. Blaming Africa's troubles on other's countries successes makes about as much sense as your mother telling you to eat your veggies because people are starving in China. No mention is made of such factors as the continual warfare that plagues much of the African continent. In addition statements such as "As rich countries, strip poorer countries of their natural resources in an attempt to re-stabilize their own, the people of poor countries become increasingly desperate." are presented with absolutely no supporting evidence.

    Going to some others: "#7: Conservative Organization Drives Judicial Appointments" Hmm, as if the ACLU, NOW, and NARAL have no affect on the Democrat's choice of Judicial Appointments.

    "The Media Can Legally Lie" This one seems most hypocritical. Seems that Fox editors wanted some reporters to include some statements from the "Monsanto Corporation" in a story that was negative towards them. The reporters refused and were fired. The statements may or may not have been false, but isn't that for the people watching the story to decide? Isn't not including them censorship?

    We also have the conflicting "Media and Government Ignore Dwindling Oil Supplies" and "New Nuke Plants: Taxpayers Support, Industry Profits". So if oil supplies are dwindling don't we want the government to encourage new forms of energy? Seems like pretty luddite thinking to me.

    Oh well, what can you do.

    Brian

    PS Glad I got some karma to burn cause I'm probably going to get killed for this post. I would prefer people actually respond rather than mod down, but I know they won't

    1. Re:-1 Flamebait by PixelScuba · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You will admit that these are stories that are ignored right? I hear all the other sides to these stories on TV and Primetime News "War in Iraq Going Good" "Iraqi's enjoying newfound freedoms". These are the opposite side of the spectrum as the stories listed in this article. And as we all know, the truth lies somewhere inbetween.

      I remember two years ago. I was away at college and whenever I came back to visit for holidays he was always spouting about stories like, "Iraq has no Weapons of Mass Destruction" and "There are no Ties to Al Quida". He would show us his portfolio of news articles about these subjects (he had just retired, and had alot of free time on his hands), naturally we sluffed off alot of what he said "Sure Dad, like our government would willingly wage war with bad information." Two years later, here we are, and the old man was right.

      I guess what I'm trying to get at is that only in retrospect can we say if any of the articles we read are completely factual. However, blindly dismissing these articles because the "Lack any real information" is as baseless as believing the opposite stories, I'm sure equal ammounts of research went into both, and again, there are probably some ammounts of truth to both. Who knows, in two years, maybe we'll both be posting on Slashdot from a base in Kabul talking about how the draft story wasn't so bogus. Then again, maybe we won't. But we should still take the stories here with some degree of sincerity, because if they are true, they would spell some very unfortunate things for all of us.

    2. Re:-1 Flamebait by BeBoxer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Seems that Fox editors wanted some reporters to include some statements from the "Monsanto Corporation" in a story that was negative towards them. The reporters refused and were fired. The statements may or may not have been false, but isn't that for the people watching the story to decide? Isn't not including them censorship?

      Did you read the article? Let me refresh your memory:

      she refused to broadcast (in the jury's words) "a false, distorted or slanted story" about the widespread use of BGH in dairy cows.

      Catch that part about "in the jury's words"? Note the use of quotation marks? Do you still think the statements "may or may not have been false"? Still not convinced? Here's another refresher from the story:

      Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre?s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so.

  18. Re:Sheeple conformists, rejoice! by feepness · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, anyway, one thing that this presidential campaign has shown me is that one of the fundamental difference between Bush supporters and those who oppose him is conformity. With regard to those who accuse others of tinfoilhattism, are they pragmatic spotters of nonsensical troublemakers, or are they conformist sheeple, willing to goosestep for whatever cause the hierarchy tells them to?

    Just so we're clear, I had no idea whether you were talking about reps or dems until I read it for the third time. In my opinion anyone who votes for either of the two major GovCorp parties is a "conformist sheeple".

    Vote Independent!!!

  19. the debate is over, the right gave up by js7a · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Look, on the left you've got "Examining the 'Liberal Media' Claim," from Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, who make an airtight, emperical, quantitative case that the media has a serious right-wing bias against accuracy.

    On the right, FAIR's counterpart is Accuracy In Media, which is currently running as their top story, "The Big Bad FBI -- The New York Times destroyed the life of Steven Hatfill in the anthrax case." As far as I can tell, AIM is willing to apologize for the justice department, but doesn't even bother to put out any study at all claiming left-wing media bias. Don't you think they would at least try to put out a counter study?

    When AIM first started out, they used to do one every month, but then FAIR started posting counterpoints and some AP writer would pick the two up and put the highlights from each on the wires. Those highlights always seemed to favor FAIR's viewpoint, and the AP stories started saying so.

    So now AIM doesn't even make any general claims about a pervasive bias. Think about it.

    1. Re:the debate is over, the right gave up by jdbolick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the right gave up it would only be because they finally accepted the fact that rational arguments are lost on irrational minds.


      #1) Nothing about FAIR's study is air-tight. Any study conducted with the intention of proving a pre-conceived belief should be met with the most extreme skepticism, but this particular piece is nothing more than a transparent attempt at drowning the reader in a mountain of misleading rhetoric and data as if it proved any kind of point.

      For instance the survey addresses self-image, a cardinal sin for statistical analysis. People regularly mis-report or under-report their behavior in cases where they would prefer to see themselves as "better" than they actually are. Seriously, it's classic. Take any statistics course in the country and that should be one of the first things you learn. Of course if you ask someone whether or not they're centrist they're generally going to say, especially with "left" and "liberal" having such a negative connotation in this society, even among leftist liberals. Who was the last major politician you can think of who publicly identified himself as a liberal?

      The rest of the questions only show that the media isn't as left as FAIR and its interests. I don't think there has ever been a question about media liberals being soft-core, although I wonder whether or not rabid lefties use this as their reason for the ridiculous suggestion that the media is actually right-wing or if they figure that making such preposterous allegations effectively negates claims made about left-leaning media bias.

      Anyway, scientific studies are based on data, not self-evaluations. For instance, the fact that an overwhelming majority of journalists, editors, and producers are registered Democrats (over 80%) and that even more have voted Democrat (over 85%) in the last two presidential elections. Or you can look at word usage analyses conducted by universities and independent research institutions that consistently show left-leaning media bias.


      #2) Whether or not AIM does a convincing job of stating their argument says nothing at all about the validity of the position, just their ability to argue it. Pretending that their failings, whatever they may be, are evidence that their "side" is wrong is nothing more than a cheap parlor trick. That'd be like someone painting all Democrats as fire-brand racists just because Al Sharpton happened to be one of their presidential candidates.



      Seriously, liberals need to get a grip on reality before anyone can take them seriously. Do you see conservatives scared of identifying themselves with that label? I haven't, although I leave open the possibility that my experience may be statistically aberrant. Do you see more than a handful of people trying to say that talk radio isn't strongly right-leaning? Again no, pretty much everyone I've seen admits that the radio goes right, though they justify that bias by saying that they're trying to counter left-leaning television media.


      Until liberals can: A) admit their own faults and B) admit that conservatives aren't the spawn of Satan, there really isn't much chance of productive discussion with them. It takes a solid grasp of reality, honest introspection, and a willingness to listen for two sides to get together. I'll grant that conservatives have certainly been out of line at times themselves as well, but right now the left is so hate-filled and irrational that it's damaging and perhaps even threatening our democracy.


      And as for the original subject of the thread, this list is certainly biased but I have no problem giving attention to any of those "stories." It would certainly have more credibility if it attempted to be representative in the slightest, but that doesn't mean they automatically don't have valid points to make.

  20. Re:they are true, and I've checked out #4 carefull by VultureMN · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey! If Rush says it's not true, then it's not true! WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?

    Now watch this drive.

  21. Its the conservatives who act as editors by bogie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The people who actually decide what goes on the air and in print over are overwhelmingly conservative. This has been shown in many studies yet somehow people dredge up that tired old arguement about liberal journalists. Yea journalists tend to be more liberal then not, let's not forget who is really in charge.

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    1. Re:Its the conservatives who act as editors by NearlyHeadless · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The people who actually decide what goes on the air and in print over are overwhelmingly conservative. This has been shown in many studies yet somehow people dredge up that tired old arguement about liberal journalists.
      Could you name a few of these "many studies"?
  22. How are these "censored"? by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm reading through these, and they list the sources where the stories ran..and they did run...in various magazines, journals and newspapers.

    So how is this considered censored?

    censor
    n : a person who is authorized to read publications or correspondence
    or to watch theatrical performances and suppress in whole or in part anything
    considered obscene or politically unacceptable.
    v 1: forbid the public distribution of ( a movie or a newspaper)
    [syn: ban]
    2: subject to political, religious, or moral censorship; "This
    magazine is censored by the government"


    Now, if it were listed as "Important News Stories That Are Not Being Followed Through On"...then we got ourselves a list my friend.

    But the title alone makes it seem like the US government is pulling these stories and saying they can't be run at all...which isn't the case.

    From the Project Censored website their mission statement contains:

    From these, Project Censored compiles an annual list of 25 news stories of social significance that have been overlooked, under-reported or self-censored by the country's major national news media.

    Overlooked...you betcha. Under-reported...yes, I agree with that. Self-censored? I don't see that any of them were pulled here in the US...but perhaps they were in other countries? Reading through their list (the ones I could get to before it was Slashdotted) I couldn't find where the censorship fell other than just no mainstream media picking up on the stories.

    Interesting read though...after the Slashdot crowd leaves I'll be back reading it.

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    1. Re:How are these "censored"? by mkro · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Overlooked...you betcha. Under-reported...yes, I agree with that. Self-censored? I don't see that any of them were pulled here in the US...but perhaps they were in other countries? Reading through their list (the ones I could get to before it was Slashdotted) I couldn't find where the censorship fell other than just no mainstream media picking up on the stories.

      Listen, self censorship is not about anything being "pulled". It is about rather avoiding going into one case because of fear of the consequences. It is not a black and white issue. It can be fear of having your family shot or it could be fear of being called "unpatriotic" and having your boss yell at you. Evil dictatorships does very little censoring by going into radio stations with soldiers and shooting people. The main censorship is letting them know it CAN happen, and by that let them regulate themselves.
      And of course this happens on different scales, from threats of violence to threats of uncomfy. Just ask the Dixie Chicks. They were smacked down so hard I'm sure other artists were discouraged from pulling a similar stunt.
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    2. Re:How are these "censored"? by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the Dixie Chicks are a bad example. They said things people didn't like and were boycotted. Of course, they didn't like being boycotted, but it is the rights of consumers (and radio stations) to not buy (in the case of radio stations, air) things. It's a bit different than the government threatening the Dixie Chicks to shut up.

    3. Re:How are these "censored"? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, like how someone has to watch what they say on /. so they don't get modded down?

      Like shit, if someone says something bad about the Unions or Socialism or Windows, or Macs or pick one, you can get smacked down so hard as to be discouraged from pulling a similar stunt.

      Actually, censorship is something pulled at an offical level, so I have to agree with the other poster that these stories aren't censored, but were underreported.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=censors hi p
      The act, process, or practice of censoring.
      The office or authority of a Roman censor

      http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dicti on ary&va=censor&x=15&y=15
      One who supervises conduct and morals: as a : an official who examines materials (as publications or films) for objectionable matter b : an official (as in time of war) who reads communications (as letters) and deletes material considered sensitive or harmful

    4. Re:How are these "censored"? by kaalamaadan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not necessarily so. You are assuming that the only way to censor a concept is by the govt. to impose sanctions. The so called "majority public opinion" is also a great chimera. Were the Dixie Chicks opposed by the vast majority or by a vociferous minority? Was Disney's decision not to release Fahrenheit 9/11 not an act of censorship? Corporate Censorship is another diabolical form of govt. censorship. ``Profit'' is no more holier than ``the party line''.

    5. Re:How are these "censored"? by gujo-odori · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only is overlooked != censorship, at least some of them were probably overlooked on the basis of being factually inaccurate to the point of consituting a flat-out lie. For example:

      "Most American weapons (missiles, smart bombs, dumb bombs, bullets, tank shells, cruise missiles, etc.) contain high amounts of radioactive uranium."

      This is patently false. The *only* weapons that contain depleted uranium are some (but not all) anti-tank weapons. These included the 40 mm shells fired by the cannon on the A-10, and some anti-tank rounds fired by tanks (but again, not all. HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) and sabot rounds do not contain depleted uranium).

      No bullets contain depleted Uranium. Most tank shells do not. No missiles contain depleted uranium. Smart bombs do not contain depleted uranium. Bunker buster bombs do not contain depleted uranium. No dumb bombs contain depleted uranium.

      Bullets are for use against personnel and non-armored vehicles. Even if there were enough DU available for use in bullets and it were not cost-prohibitive to make them, that would not be an effective use of DU.

      Bombs, whether dumb or smart, are not anti-armor weapons, and in those instances that they are used on tanks, they depend upon their high-explosive capability. Bunker busters penetrate bunkers by being very large and heavy, with a thick, hardened casing filled with a lot of HE.

      General-purpose air-to-surface missiles are all high-explosive, so are cruise missiles. A cruise missile that is carrying radioactive material isn't carrying DU; it's a nuke. Air-to-surface anti-tank missiles carry HEAT warheads.
      Surface-to-surface anti-tank missiles also carry HEAT warheads.

      If the level of "journalism" (if I can call "making things up" journalism) in any of the other articles is anything like that one, it's pretty obvious why these articles were not picked up by the mainstream press. It's because they are blatant lies.

    6. Re:How are these "censored"? by b17bmbr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm an SSU grad ('91). Carl Jensen is a little paranoid and conspiratorial. Everything is black hat stuff. Problem is, he did some good things for a while, and starting reading the press clippings, then lost it. I had one class with him, and even then, he was going on and on about the media (which oddly enough is controlled by his lefty buddies) being a tool of the gov't. Like the MSM ws ever in the tank for Reagan/Bush, et al. Please. How about Evan Thomas' claim the media is for Kerry and it gives him 15 points.

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    7. Re:How are these "censored"? by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a good point. Censorship, I believe by definition, is something that has to be done by a government or a large organization (like a church). If nobody buys your crappy book about aliens killing Kennedy, it's not being censored, just unappreciated.

      So one of the Dixie Chicks made some short, and not very venemous comments, about Bush. The story would have died except for the fact that country radio stations repeatedly publicised the comments and aired tons of recorded phone calls trashing the Dixie Chicks as unpatriotic commies. Many of those stations are owned by Clear Channel, which is a huge supporter of the Bush administration.

      -B

    8. Re:How are these "censored"? by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 5, Insightful


      has to be done by a government or a large organization (like a church).

      True. Now explain to me how Clear Channel doesn't count as a big organization.

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    9. Re:How are these "censored"? by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 4, Informative
      Censorship, I believe by definition, is something that has to be done by a government or a large organization

      Nope. Those are just the ones people are most pissed about. From Merriam-Webster:

      censor: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable

      Censoring is not inherently bad. For instance, when parents don't let their children watch certain shows or movies they are censoring. What annoys people most is when adults are censored from things that they have a right to hear or see, which generally can only be done by government or large corporations. Making something unavailable or unobtainable is effectively equivalent to the removal of the right to obtain it. The flip-side to censorship is a boycott where people refuse to obtain something that is available because of some offense to the product or company.

      If nobody buys your crappy book about aliens killing Kennedy, it's not being censored, just unappreciated.

      That's different than what happened to the Dixie Chicks. Radio stations stopped playing their material because of their beliefs, not because they didn't like the music.

    10. Re:How are these "censored"? by Brandybuck · · Score: 3, Funny

      Clear Channel had nothing to do with it. The fact of the matter is that the Dixie Chicks made a very public statement that was in direct opposition to the general opinions of their target audience.

      As Larry the Cable Guy said, it's like walking into a trailer park and yelling "WalMart sucks!"

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    11. Re:How are these "censored"? by bofkentucky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Corporate and private censorship are protected, the First Amendment (and the rest of the Bill of Rights) is a series of restrictions on Government (congress shall make no act...) acting against the people. The Dixie Chicks had a choice, they could have taken the "Toby Keith, GWB is teh l33t" track and sold millions of copies of their CD. They decided to voice a different opinion and people didn't buy the damned CD and/or destroyed the copies they had already bought. I (and the Dixie Chicks) have the right to freedom of expression, we both have to live with the consequences, so deal with it.

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    12. Re:How are these "censored"? by shanen · · Score: 4, Informative
      Project Censored regards them as censored if the story receives signficantly less public coverage than the importance of the story merits. They are especially interested in stories that the regular media drop because they expose the bias of the mass media themselves. Yes, anyone can publish anything on the Web, but lot's of it is effectively censored by being ignored, even when it's the ugly truth. Or especially when...

      Just picking a random example off the list, Cheney's handling of the "national" energy policy is extremely important, but has received very little coverage. Even if you regard his behavior as reasonable, the degree of corporate influence is an important public concern.

      However, I think that his "arguments" are fatally flawed. Cheney is supposed to be serving the public, and any "advice" that can only be provided if it's source is concealed from the public is surely NOT in the public interest. If it WAS in the public interest, the source would not be afraid of exposure in the first place.

      In the extreme case, Cheney seems to be arguing that America is no longer a democratic republic or republican democracy, but a kind of sanctioned-by-50%-of-the-voters corporate-owned dictatorship. I'd wager you haven't seen much consideration of THAT story on Fox "News".

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    13. Re:How are these "censored"? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Informative

      I know the controversy you're talking about. I live in north Orange County.

      You have the concept of the sabot round correct, but the payload is a little off. Some sabot rounds are tungsten, but those are used mostly by other countries that have abandoned DU for mostly political reasons. They're not as effective, though; the density of DU is about 70% higher than that of lead, and 15% higher than that of tungsten. Furthermore, tungsten has a higher tendency to mushroom, whereas the self-sharpening properties of DU make for a more deeply-penetrating round. The US is by far the largest use of such rounds, and uses an alloy of DU and titanium. Addition of the latter provides some additional strength to the round.

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    14. Re:How are these "censored"? by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Professor Doug Rokke, ex-director of the Pentagon's depleted uranium project -- a former professor of environmental science at Jacksonville University and onetime US army colonel who was tasked by the US department of defense with the post-first Gulf war depleted uranium desert clean-up -- said use of DU was a 'war crime'."

      This is why the story is censored. Period.

      Also, there is much speculation that bunker buster bombs have been upgraded with DU to make them more effective - since the alternative is tungsten which supposedly is less effective for various reasons than DU. The Pentagon, of course, is NOT saying what is being used or considered for use in bunker buster bombs.

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  23. Hmmm by TiKwanLeep · · Score: 3, Funny

    I dont see Kobe Bryant or Laci Peterson on that list. Oh wait...

  24. Censored or ignored? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Not being widely covered is not really the same thing as being censored.
    Exactly. A good example is the whole software patent thing in Europe, and more specifically the Netherlands. We've had everything from lobbyists and manipulations to ministers lieing to parliament, but.... it wasn't about healthcare, immigrants or terrorist blowing stuff up, so the media weren't interested.
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  25. Overlooked... by Undefined+Parameter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    NPR (National Public Radio) and PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) both seem to be overlooked in nearly every debate over the media. (My personal opinion is that they deliver a superior source of news information, giving more information per story, a greater variety of stories, and a greater quantity of stories.)

    ~UP

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  26. Get your head out of the sand by Sanity · · Score: 4, Insightful
    A few appear to be missing, notably, "UN nations opposing overthrow of Saddam found to have taken bribes from same"
    Or, how about: "UN nations opposing overthrow of Saddam because he has no Weapons of Mass Destruction turn out to be right".
  27. Re:Censored my ass! by mmarlett · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You may personally think that the media is liberal, but you would think wrong. And no Lexis-Nexis will help you support any idea other than you can, in fact, find articles with a liberal slant.

    I'll give you that this list is a list made by a liberal group and does display a leaning. But do they "have no basis in fact?" No. That's not why they were under reported.

    As a person who used to work in a daily newspaper in a very conservative market (that I grew up in), I can tell you that large media corporations will skew the news to avoid upsetting the readers' world view so that they can make the guys in marketing happy. They want a good image with the public, and if you are in the center and the public is to the right, then you look like you're to the left. So then you move your paper to the right and suddenly everything is OK.

    I saw the editor of our paper tell the entire staff that his goal was that he wanted his phone to stop ringing. He didn't want to have to deal with calls about our liberal rag, which wasn't liberal. Now, for critical thinking, you should RFA on all these stories so you know what you're talking about.

    I'm glad the Army met it's 2003 recruiting goals, but that doesn't mean it has all the troops it needs - the goals were not moved to anticipate our current needs; Rumsfeld has lied before; and the instances of the Joint Chiefs of Staff changing its mind about what it wants.

    But Congress did put forth two bills to reinstate the draft -- one a protest bill by Democrats.

    And more troubling is why the White House increased the Selective Service budget by millions this year.

    Regardless, I haven't read the article on the list (and neither have you) so there's nothing to argue about. But nothing you link to here displays any critical thinking, just lapping up the words of conservative mouthpieces.

  28. Cautious, but not dismissive by microbox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd draw your attention to The Media can Leagally Lie

    I've followed a bit of this already; I've even seen interviews with the people involved with the case.

    In summary:
    The milk in the US contains a chemical additive that is cancer causing. That chemical is produced by Monsanto. The FDA tested a few rats and rubber stamped to drug. It causes distress and health problems in many cows. There is hard evidence that Monsanto knew there was problems with the drug before they even sent it for testing at the FDA. FOX suppressed the story (presumably on behalf of Monsanto) using various different sleazy tactics. The investigative reporters in question refused to sign a NDA, and were later fired after about 80 rewrites of the story. The story was rewritten with lawyers present, not scientists. The pretence was that the story should be balanced. The Monsanto lawyers objected to terms like "carcinogenic", preferring more balanced terms such as "may cause health problems".

    The reporters won their court case, to find it over turned at appeal. The reason was that lying isn't a crime, and the whistle blower act only protects employees from business asking them to commit a crime. FOX immediately said that they were 'vindicated', but left out the part about lying.

    The milk is being drunk all over the US, and is being served to children at schools.

    Many of the articles come from seriously left-leaning rags

    And just about every major player in the media market will sell you any news so long as it doesn't hurt the corporate agenda.

    It's likely that we'll never require samizdat in this country, but we all require tin-foil hats

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  29. Censorship? Says Who? by reallocate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I went to projectcensored.org looking for their definition of "censored" and the criteria they use to determine "most censored". I found neither.

    In my book, you aren't being censored when an editor turns down your story. You aren't being censored when your story is cut from the final edition to make room for the piece about an explosion in a local church.

    If the Ministry of Information orders you not to write that story, that's censorshp. Ditto if the orders come from your corporate headquarters.

    Projectcensored says it tracks the news from "independent" sources (not that these sources are listed on their site), but neglects to tell us about the political agendas of any of those sources. (Of course, the word "independent" is usually, and incorrectly, construed to mean "impartial".) An organization might be "independent" of outside financing, but it will lack credibility as an "independent" source if its purpose is to foster a political agenda. In any case, with a personality like Noam Chomsky helping them spot "censorship", claims of "independence" evaporate.

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  30. Re:I can't believe #1 is by proj_2501 · · Score: 4, Funny

    i'm not so sure that bush's plan of ending our dependence on foreign oil by blowing up all countries that supply it is all that great.

  31. Swift Boat Liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    here's your bitch slap: All of Kerry's medals and reccomendations are documented. And, if you had any sense, you'd go to Kerry's website and read it before you spouted off your lies. All of Kerry's supporters were THERE, especially the one K pulled from the water in a hail of enemy fire. The SBLiars, were NOT THERE. They also have not one shred of documentation to support a single one of their lies. They have been caught swearing false affidavits. They have no eye witnesses. In fact, their allegations are entirely fabricated, and have been proven to be so. They even contradict themselves. So, tool, get a brain and use it. Or shut up.

  32. Re:Depleted Uranium Is *Not* A Health Risk by js7a · · Score: 4, Informative
    I see you have chosen to put your inaccurate statements in boldface type. Does that make you a boldfaced liar?

    We are talking about renal failure, not cancer.

    Uranium dust inhalation is not deadly because uranium is radioactive, it is deadly because it is a heavy metal.

  33. I'd like to point out that by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even Mother Jones has asked that Project Censored be put out of our misery.

  34. Censorship ? Or scissors in the head ? by rainer_d · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've got a question:

    How biased (if at all) is the coverage of US- and world-affairs in the USA ?

    I must admit that I don't watch TV anymore here in Germany because the quality has deteriorated to a point where it's only marginally funny anymore.
    But the news and reports about foreign affairs (Western- and Eastern Europe, All of America, Asia, Africa and Australia) is still quite good and balanced. At least, in the state-owned channels.

    Anyway...
    I'll take the DU (Depleted Uranium) story as an example. This has been known (or, lacking an offical acknowledgemend, "suspected") here for several years. It has been reported repeatedly and, after Gulf War 1, led to a significant public outcry when it became obvious that these weapons had been deposited also on the territory of our beloved Federal Republic.

    On the other hand, the ministery of defense here is playing every dirty trick in the book to keep a scandal of its own under the hood:
    in the 60s and 70s a lot of radar-technicans got really high doses of radiation from military radar-gear, because it had to be repaired without appropriate protection. The "problem" is that these people (those few that are still alive are sometimes real living cancer-labs) want a compensation for their sufferings and the ministery is trying everything to delay the law-suits, hoping secretly for a "biological solution" of the cases...not totally unlike the DU-scandal...
    This is publicly known, has been briefly covered but doesn't raise public outcry or turmoil, nor is any politician threatend in his job.

    Also, when viewing the US from here, there may be still some Anti-American sentiments here, that are partly founded in history (remember, the Eastern part of this country has been Socialist and Anti-Capitalist until 15, 16 years ago?) and partly because of big differences in mentality (patriotism is almost a cuss here).

    So, whenever Mr Bush Jun. says something funny or makes a funny face, it's a sure giveaway that it can be seen here on TV. The same when he alienates yet another (then former) ally.

    When editors, journalists etc. "make the news" how big is the pressure (if any) to not mention certain facts at all, so that some stories seemingly never hit the headlines in the country where it would matter most ?
    Or is it just a "McCarthy-esk"-climate, where everybody just fears that he might be "on a list" ?

    Michael Moore mentions, in the foreword to the British edition of his "Stupid White Men"-"novel" that his publisher tried everything to keep the book out of the stores, because it didn't seem "appropriate" at the time.

    Is this still representative of the climate for publishing books and information in the US ?

    I'm afraid I don't have an unbiased view of the US myself, because I read this Topic (YRO) way to often ...it's probably also not a good and representative audience to ask ;-)

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  35. Re:Depleted Uranium Is *Not* A Health Risk by WombatControl · · Score: 3, Informative

    You'd have to snort a shell in order to inhale enough depleted uranium to cause significant kidney damage. 96% of DU is passed through the body within 24 hours. In order to cause any significant health risks you'd have to inhale literally grams of the substance, and there are plenty of other heavy metals on the battlefield that would kill you before the DU would.

    As The American College of Emergency Physicians says this about DU exposure:

    There is no evidence of permanent kidney or lung damage to individuals exposed to aerosolized DU, including those with retained shrapnel.

    For instance, Soviet tanks have significant amount of radium, asbestos, and dioxins in their construction. In fact, I'd wager that most of the toxicity and radioactivity comes from the Soviet-era military hardware that was blown up rather than the weapons used in their destruction.

    There is absolutely no credible epidemological evidence which supports the contention of significant health risks from DU exposure. Even if one accepts that there have been increases in birth defects near sites where DU has been used correlation does not equal causation. Until someone can show that the symptoms being reported are A:) not skewed and B:) directly related to DU rather than other environmental factors, there is no credible scientific evidence that indicates such a connection.

  36. Biggest Story: US protecting Victor Bout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This story is so far under the radar, it's invisible. London's Financial Times ran a front-page story about the United States having a secret relationship with one of the world's most notrious arms smugglers - do a Google search on this guy and you'll see he's into *everything* and called the "Merchant of Death" - well, the US has been protecting him and his interests:

    Source:
    http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename= FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&cid=1083180541131&p=10142 32938216

    http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/08/03/italy .t error/index.html

    http://www.nisat.org/blackmarket/europe/Central_ Eu rope/belgium/2002.02.27-Russian%20Daily%20on%20All eged%20Arms%20Dealer%20Victor%20Bout.html

    Background on Victor Bout - trafficker now being protected by the US:
    http://www.ruudleeuw.com/vbout2.htm
    http://w ww.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0202/23/smn.02.html
    http://www.namebase.org/xbor/Victor-Bout.html

    US seeks to protect weapons trafficker

    By Mark Turner at the United Nations, and Mark Huband and Andrew Parker in London
    Published: May 16 2004 21:56 | Last Updated: May 16 2004 21:56

    The US is pressing for a notorious arms trafficker allegedly involved in supplying coalition forces in Iraq to be omitted from planned United Nations sanctions, in defiance of French demands.

    Washington has UK support in resisting French efforts to freeze the assets of Victor Bout, once described by a UK minister as a "merchant of death" for his role as a leading arms supplier to rebel and government forces in several African conflicts, including Liberia.

    The UN is considering who should be on a list of individuals whose assets will be frozen because of their involvement with the ousted regime of Charles Taylor, the Liberian leader overthrown last year.

    Western diplomats say they have been told of reports that an air freight company associated with Mr Bout, who is subject to a UN travel ban because of his activities in Liberia, may be involved in supplying US forces in Iraq and that the US may be "recycling" his extensive cargo network.

    In 2000, Peter Hain, then British foreign office minister responsible for Africa, described Mr Bout as "the chief sanctions-buster and . . . a merchant of death who owns air companies that ferry in arms" for rebels in Angola and Sierra Leone.

    A former UN official familiar with the sanctions process said he had also heard of Mr Bout's Iraq connection. The ex-official said he had been told by a reliable source about a month ago that "the American defence forces are using Victor's planes for their logistics".

    A senior western diplomat close to the UN negotiations said: "We are disgusted that Bout won't be on the list, even though he is the principal arms dealer in the region. If we want peace in that region [of West Africa], it seems evident that he should be on that list."

    Another senior diplomat close to the UN discussions said on Sunday that the UK had originally included Mr Bout's name on its preliminary list of individuals to be targeted. The diplomat said US officials then told their British counterparts they did not want Mr Bout included because he was "being used in Iraq".

    Mr Bout's name then did not appear on a subsequent UK list.

    The US claims Mr Bout's activities should be dealt with in separate UN measures addressing the role of arms dealers. However, a former UN investigator on Sunday doubted that Mr Bout was playing a significant role in Iraq.

    US and British officials at the UN deny any knowledge of Mr Bout's alleged activities in Iraq. A UK official said: "We have supported in the past and continue to support international efforts to end Mr Bout's illegal activities," noting that he was subject to a travel ban and an international arrest warrant.

    A UN Security Council resolution in March said the assets of Mr Taylor, his immedia

  37. Censored by whom? by Millennium · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are these censored, or were they simply not picked up the outlets which the writers had wanted so desperately to appear in?

    There is a huge difference. I read several of the aforementioned articles during their original runs. No laws were passed banning them, and the US government never made any attempt to stop their runs. Therefore, no censorship.

    True censorship exists in this world. It seems to me, however, that this list is nothing more than a couple of authors whining about their stories not running as widely as they had wanted.

  38. Bernard Golberg's Bias is itself biased by wrinkledshirt · · Score: 5, Informative
    Bernard Golberg is an oft-cited source that the US media is left-leaning. What isn't so commonly cited are the various rebuttals to it (I wonder why, in a left-leaning environment, that is?). Take a look at fair.org from time to time, or read this article by Geoffrey Nunberg. What's more, take a look at zmag and ask yourself, if the media is so liberal, why is it that so few of the stories on zmag ever get much air time?

    Perhaps Goldberg's most striking claim is that conservatives are more often labelled "conservatives" than are liberals, which he says has a marginalizing effect on conservative viewpoints, making them seem outside the norm. Nunberg did his own test, and found that the opposite was actually true.

    ...at one point [Goldberg] strays into territory that can actually be put to a test. That's when he claims that the media "pointedly identify conservative politicians as conservatives," but rarely use the word "liberal" to describe liberals.

    In fact, I did find a big disparity in the way the press labels liberals and conservatives, but not in the direction that Goldberg claims. On the contrary: the average liberal legislator has a thirty percent greater likelyhood of being identified with a partisan label than the average conservative does. The press describes Barney Frank as a liberal two-and-a-half times as frequently as it describes Dick Armey as a conservative. It gives Barbara Boxer a partisan label almost twice as often as it gives one to Trent Lott. And while it isn't surprising that the press applies the label conservative to Jesse Helms more often than to any other Republican in the group, it describes Paul Wellstone as a liberal twenty percent more frequently than that.


    There's more in Nunberg's article, if you care to read it.

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  39. "liberal media" ?!? by dpilot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the media were slanted to the left...

    Someone would be working harder to investigate why no-bid contracts were let to the Vice-President's former company. IMHO, the "Only Haliburten is big enough to do that kind of stuff," excuse doesn't really wash.

    Nobody saw 9/11 coming... Nobody in the government was even looking that direction! No wonder nobody put the pieces together, the pieces weren't on the table. After Inauguration day in 2001, the focus of the US left the Middle East and moved to Missle Defense and the ABM treaty. It was as palpable as seeing the focus of the Eye of Sauron move at the end of Return of the King.

    Faulty intelligence - oops. The year before the War in Iraq, it there was reporting that the Administration was shopping for Intelligence that would support it's desire for War. At the time, it was also well-reported that CIA evidence didn't support invasion. Stunning that the CIA ended up taking the fall.

    President Bush's National Guard records have 'disappeared', as well as any opportunity to establish whether he really was or was not AWOL that year of Alabama service prior to early discharge.

    The Vice President held closed-door sessions to establish a National Energy Policy, with no public records. "Candid opinions" aside, this is part of national policy, it affects all of us, and we have NO visibility into the process, or even the players.

    Speaking of the Cloak of Secrecy, when you spread that Cloak around the government, it goes all the way to the bottom. It's not enough to trust the Man at the Top, you have to trust EVERYONE under him - right down to the guards at Abu Graib. The Constitution attempted to create a government where you could trust the process, so that if the people were not trustworthy, there would be checks and balances.

    Finally, if it were a "liberal media"....

    It wouldn't have hounded Al Gore into oblivion, while giving a giving G.W. Bush a pass on his very limited qualifications. Bush was a 1.5 term governor - less than 6 years on public service.

    It wouldn't have hounded Bill Clinton for 7.5 years of his presidency, and said nothing as a 7.5 year "fishing expedition" began over a measly $200,000 real estate *loss*. Lewinsky was inexcusable, but it hadn't even happened when the fishing expedition began, or went through it's first several morphs.

    It wouldn't now be giving Kerry short-shrift on getting his message out, while forgiving above Bush administration issues. The ONLY time I've heard Kerry sound interesting or impressive was the acceptance speech on C-SPAN - the one time I've heard more than two sentences out of his own mouth without some form of extraction or editorializing.

    And if you don't believe that, look on Slashdot! Others of the European pursuasion have stated that even the American Left is to the Right of Europe's center. We can't see or evaluate slant, because we're all so slanted, ourselves.

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  40. uranium short-term LD50 is as low as 0.2 mg/m3 by js7a · · Score: 4, Informative
    Your link is an opinion column, not a peer-reviewed medical publication. It is obviously based on only a few minutes of research, as are your opinions.

    The following excerpts are from "Medical Effects of Internal Contamination with Uranium," in the March 1999 (Volume 40, Number 1) Croation Medical Journal, by Asaf Durakoviæ, Department of Nuclear Medicine, Georgetown University School of Medicine, Washington D.C., USA:

    Uranium heavy metal toxicity has been extensively studied for two centuries. The main parameter in the assessment of its toxic effect were mortality studies and LD50 at different quantities in a single dose or as a function of time. Other parameters extensively studied include survival time, the effects on the life span, growth and development, excretion of uranium in the urine, deposition in tissues and organs and general and local health effects. During the Manhattan Project, acute toxicity studies were conducted at different National Centers in the United States, with the most intensive investigation done at the University of Rochester with a rat model, mainly with uranyl nitrate, uranyl fluoride, and uranyl tetrachloride given parenterally. Further preparation of UF6 by oxidation or fluoridation provides the basis of combination between UF6 and the metal fluorides. Uranyl fluoride was found to be more toxic than uranyl nitrate or uranium tetrachloride, with a lethal dose of uranyl nitrate being 2 mg/kg by subcutaneous or 0.4 mg/kg by intravenous injection. Oral toxicity of insoluble UO2, U3O8, and UF4 was found to be non-toxic in rats, while six other soluble components were of a considerable toxicity. Uranyl nitrate had a more dramatic effect on the mature than on the newborn rats. The main chemical toxicity was observed in the proximal convoluted tubule of the kidney. Experiments on dogs with oral administration of 0.2 mg/kg of soluble UO2F2 to 10 mg/g of insoluble UO2, as well as uranyl nitrate at 0.2 g/kg and 0.05 g/kg of uranium tetrachloride, demonstrated renal cortical tubular changes with very little evidence of necrosis.

    Renal pathology was a common finding with several chemical compounds of uranium tested parenterally.

    Percutaneous application of uranium was studied with soluble compounds including uranyl nitrate fluoride, pentachloride, trioxide, sodium, and americium diuranate. All of the tested components were absorbed through the skin into the blood stream and in excessive amounts were able to produce severe poisoning and death. In contrast, insoluble uranium compounds, such as oxides and tetra fluoride, did not cause significant poisoning when applied to the skin. There is a considerable species difference in susceptibility to dermal toxicity of uranium compounds. Rabbits are the most sensitive followed by rats, guinea pigs and mice. There is up to one hundred-fold difference of LD50 between rabbits and mice. The main poisoning site was the kidney, with similar changes seen in other types of parenteral toxicity. Uranium application to the eye has been studied as a possible port of uranium entry in the internal environment of the living organism because of the hazards of ophthalmic exposure to uranium workers. Application of uranium compounds in the conjunctival sac in rabbits, guinea pigs, and rats included uranium peroxide, dioxide, tetra fluoride, nitrate, fluoride, and sodium and ammonium diuranate. Local damage occurred in animals, ranging from conjunctivitis to corneal ulceration. Of all tested compounds, the most severe reactions were encountered with dry uranium penta- chloride. Necrosis of periorbital tissue occurred followed by death in 50% of animals. Uranyl nitrate, fluoride, and Na-diuranate were absorbed from the conjunctiva and caused systemic poisoning. Uranium tetrafluoride and diuranate caused systemic poisoning with very little local irritation.

    Chemical poisoning with uranium compounds after respiratory exposure has been studied extensively in order to establish safety standards for the control

    1. Re:uranium short-term LD50 is as low as 0.2 mg/m3 by js7a · · Score: 4, Informative
      Uranium burns in air. Burning, for those of you who haven't had the most basic chemistry, means forming oxides. The atomic weight is high enough that the individual fragments burn for much longer than most metals that burn in air. It is easy to inhale fragments still burning. Then the compound is you.

      The chemical toxicities of natural uranium and depleted uranium are identical and are dependent on dose, chemical form and route of exposure. On impact with a hard target, a fraction of the depleted uranium in munitions undergoes spontaneous ignition and small, relatively insoluble particles of mainly uranium oxides, as well as fragments of metallic depleted uranium are formed.

      Pathways for exposure to depleted uranium that has been used in military operations are the same as those for natural uranium and are: 1. Inhalation in smoke and dust; 2. Hand to mouth contamination and ingestion of dusts; 3. Contamination of wounds; 4. Skin contact; 5. Agricultural pathways through uptake by crops or grazing animals; and 6. Accumulation in drinking water.

      All of those require compounds to result in toxicity, as pure finely seperated uranium metal precipitates and sinks rapidly.

      Once any form enters the liver, though, various enzimes are exposed to the compound and the number of compounds increases superexponentialy (combinatorically).

  41. Editorial sanity != censorship by Performer+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So anyone can write hysterical nonsense now and if it isn't published they can claim censorship, even if their assertions were completely baseless?

    The owners of publications have always hade the ability to edit content, that does not equate to censorship, it is their own filter to eliminate hysterical crap. It's how they work without moderators slashdot.

  42. Some questions, then... by wrinkledshirt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Exactly how is reporting without question that Iraq had WMDs being a left-wing outlet?

    Exactly how is reporting without question that Saddam's troops pulled babies out of incubators prior to Gulf War 1 being a left-wing outlet?

    Exactly how is ignoring the number of civilian casualties in Iraq being a left-wing outlet?

    Exactly how is under-reporting the number of Palestinian civilian casualties, while never failing to mention a single Palestinian terrorist attack, being a left-wing outlet?

    Exactly how is ignoring the Red Cross's reports about Abu Ghraib, a YEAR before the story finally broke loose, being a left-wing outlet?

    Exactly how is giving Michael Moore less airtime than Ann Coulter, when they were both promoting their books a couple of years ago, being a left-wing outlet?

    In fact, how is it that you can look at that list of under-reported stories, a large number of which are left-wing issues, and say that the media is biased to the left?

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  43. It all boils down to this: by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 3, Interesting
    One actively supports the interests of the super-rich who run the corporations that permit Americans to live the wasteful ignorant lives they cling to with violent desperation, or not.

    It boils down to class, and class warfare. It always has and always will. Marx was wrong about prescriptions, but his analysis was spot on 150 years ago, and it's still dead accurate.

    Some things are different: events are certainly moving on a deeper and larger scale than the capitalists could possibly muster in 1870, but the structure has remained the same: there are a very few people on top and a lot of people on the bottom. The globalisation of wealth has made entire nations part of the "top" and entire continents part of the "bottom" - and you know who's getting fucked.

    "Conservatives" (especially those of the more recent "neocon" variety, who are little more than penny ante fascists) are people who have internalised the false consciousness machine of contemporary capitalist culture to such a degree that they cheerfully support the plutocrats who enslave them. In fact, their culturally instilled cranio-rectal inversion is so complete, they don't see themselves as being willing participants in their own self enslavement - they see themselves as supporters of "freedom and liberty".

    Meanwhile, the powers that be are re-aligning the economies into Orwellian superstates. The Europeans are doing it through an opt-in confederacy (EU), the Americans are doing it with their typically murderously belligerent policy of co-option, destruction and subordination (from Wounded Knee to Baghdad) and forming Oceania by way of NAFTA. East Asia is forming more slowly, as is typical of the Chinese Empire.

    The great battle will be between a collapsing Oceania and a rising EastAsia. Eurasia will sit on the sidelines and watch the two destroy each other, and then move in to scoop up what's left.

    This isn't tinfoil hat theory. this is stuff that has been documented over and over and over.

    here

    Here

    and HERE.

    Now, if you have any sense: ORGANISE A COHERENT RESISTANCE AND GET A PLACE AT THE TABLE OF OCEANIA. Prevent the disaster. If the neocon agenda goes on by its own logic, there will be an eventual war between EastAsia and Oceania. It will be fought through terror proxies first, then localised wars and rebeliions at the periphery. The results will be millions dead so the rich bastards running the American State can stay rich and the powerful shitbags running the Chinese Gov stay in power.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE. Or don't: just pretend it isn't happening and surrender your children to be cannon fodder in some far off oil rich country for the sake of Exxon, Halliburton, and Walmart.

    RS

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  44. Hi. You're a damn liar. by revscat · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sandy Bergler Pilfers Terror Memos for Clinton ...is not on the list, so we have a real good idea of the political persuasion of the compilers of the list.

    1) That was all over the news for a solid week. It lead all the major broadcast network's 6pm news shows for two days staight, and made it on the cover of both the NYT and the Washington Post, who both did in depth stories on this. How is that ignored, hmm?

    2) Berger was completely exonerated of those charges, but that exoneration lead exactly zero 6pm news broadcasts, nor did it his exoneration make it at ALL into the pages of the previously mentioned papers.

    3) If you have to resort to lies and spin to make your point stick then you are weak and wicked, and will eventually fall.

  45. Re:I can't believe #1 is by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I agree that conservatives generally would stand up in favor of personal freedom and civil liberties (isn't that redundant?), and I think most support reasonable environmental protections (I'm assuming most liberals don't go as far left as ALF and Earth First!).

    I think the perception that the list of stories is "left leaning" has as much to do with the lean of the stories themselves as the subject matter.

    Ignoring whether the stories have any bias or agenda, however, let's look at the list:

    • 3 of the stories mention republicans by name, describing unflattering activity.
    • 7 of the stories criticize activities by the US government, linking republicans to the activity.
    • The #1 story is about "Wealth Inequality".

    There are many phrases in the list identified with a leftist agenda: "Bush Administration Censors...", "Threatens Intellectual Freedom...", "...Represses Labor Unions...".

    The stories are pretty much ALL inflammatory, and obviously slanted. Like in story #7: "Bush has the capability to turn the courts over to ultra right-wing ideologues." Hmmm... possibly left leaning.

    You may or may not agree that some of these issues deserve more discussion in the mainstream media. I had heard most of these stories before I saw the list, so I don't think any in way they were censored, so much as they were uninteresting and/or overblown.

    Still, let's call a spade a spade. Left-leaning? Well, yea.

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  46. I got a problem with #25 by Hangtime · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wal-Mart...to many it is a pariah, a sadist, something to be scorned and looked down upon. For others, it quite simply the place where they buy everything because its cheap. Let's look at the article's points

    Wal-Mart opposition overseas has been from unions (over low pay)

    Wal-Mart has always been anti-union. There has only been one successful union organization I believe (butchers in one of the stores) and Wal-Mart turned around, fired them all, and started buying beef from a distributor. Wal-Mart doesn't apologize for it and most other grocery stores if they had their druthers would probably do the same. Wal-Mart just ensured that this didn't happen early on and it is not at point in its promience and power that no union can organize it.

    Local regulators (over predatory pricing)

    Wal-Mart basically puts the clamp on you when your a supplier because they are the toughest customer in the world. In fact, there are many businesses that will not deal with Wal-Mart because they do not want to go through the pain of readying themselves to meet Wal-Mart's demands and becoming beholden to what will become their largest customer if successful in a region trial. You do not have to choose to do so, but people see the number of SKUs you can sell to them and go for it. Wal-Mart, in turn, will demand 180 day payment, return of all unsold items, only pay for those items that have actually been sold to a customer, a set delivery time and quantity (if you miss either one of these your basically thrown out as a supplier, no chance ever again to redeem yourself), and a 5% reduction in cost to Wal-Mart each year. Wal-Mart in turn passes this back to the consumer. When someone would ask Sam Walton to do a coupon or a special offer, he would tell them take the amount we would spend on it and drop the price by that much. In the end its the difference between a consumer spending $120 - $130 versus spending $100 at Wal-Mart.

    and small businesses that face financial ruin....In the U.K, Wal-Mart's takeover of Asda has had a devastating effect. Award-wining food journalist Joanna Blythman's new book called "Shopped: The Shocking Power of British Supermarkets" published May 2004 outlines how: "I learned that UK supermarkets now jump to the tune of our second largest chain, Asda. Since 1999 when it was taken over by the biggest retailer in the world, the U.S. chain Wal-Mart, Asda's strategy of 'Every Day Low Pricing', has triggered a supermarket price war in which chains without buying muscle are disadvantaged...Every week in the UK, 50 specialist shops like butchers and bakers are closing and one farmer or farm worker commits suicide. We enter a race to the bottom where everyone loses, especially the consumer.

    Wal-Mart never put any small Mom and Pop out-of-business, you and I did. Those butchers and bakers aren't closing because they have customers, they're closing because you and I and the rest of the people you know find the same staples of their lives at Wal-Mart for far cheaper.

    Final thought, seven cents of every dollar spent in America is spent at Wal-Mart. Think about that for a moment, scary isn't it. However, when you goto Wal-Mart do you think about the fact your going to a store that makes more money then probably half the nations on the planet. No, you think about cheap prices. Sam Walton found it was more profitable to serve 95% of the population well then to only serve 5% and the in the process made just about every company in America and abroad that deals with Wal-Mart better in the process. While Wal-Mart does put the squeeze on its producers and ends up squeezing the inefficiences out of the supply chain below it because every year you and I will expect prices to fall on a product at Wal-Mart.

  47. Re:Like... from an editor to his writers. by duffahtolla · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If I'm running a paper or a webpage and someone writes something the paper or whatnot doesn't agree with or violates a standard or is incorrect and it's changed, it's not censorship, it's editing or standards.

    I can understand editing out a dull story, or a news item containing offensive content. But when a liberal paper decides to not publish reports of some democratic senators questionable activities, or a conservative news channel decides to not mention how a republican president is trashing Science, your saying this is just an "editorial cut" and not politicaly motivated censorship?

  48. Re:Oh Really!!!? by Bora+Horza+Gobuchol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Note: I'm not an American. But I do follow both sides of this overblown, politically-motivated "controversy".

    all I've seen is attacks on this group of veterans. I've hardly seen ANY attempt at all to discredit even a single claim of theirs.

    Then I strongly suggest you take a moment to read Salon, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, or The Washington Post. And actually read, rather than filtering input according to your own biases. I'll start you off with a quote, from the LA Times: "These charges against John Kerry are false. Or at least there is no good evidence that they are true."

    So far almost every attack on the Swift Boat Veterans has been a personal, ad hominem attack on these veterans' character, not on their claims.

    False. Here are the facts:

    Thurlow and others in the same five-boat Swift flotilla as Kerry on the night in question (when Kerry recued Rassman) also came under fire. Indeed, Thurlow won a Bronze Star for his actions in rescuing a comrade under enemy fire. This is the same Thurlow who has claimed that there was no enemy fire that night. In other words, if what Thurlow says now is correct, he should have refused the Bronze Star citation, or returned it once he started making his claims. He has not done either.

    Why won't he (kerry) release all his medical and other service records?

    He has. The only records he has not released are his review papers.

    Why did Kerry lie about spending Christmas in Cambodia?

    There's a difference between "lying" and "being mistaken." For example:

    - After 9/11, President Bush claimed repeatedly that he had seen the second plane fly into the WTC live on television. This is obviously incorrect - he was sitting glassy-eyed in a classroom of children leafing through "My Pet Goat" at the time.

    - At the RNC convention, Govenor Schwarzenegger claimed that growing up in Austria he had seen Soviet tanks parked in the streets. This is patently flase - the Soviets had retreated from Austria years before he was born.

    In other words, people often confuse their own histories. Was Kerry in Cambodia? Almost certainly - Larry Thurlow, one of his chief accusers, was recorded telling Nixon that he (Thurlow) had been in Cambodia. Was it neccessasarily in Christmas? No - and that;s probably where Kerry's recollection is getting mixed up. That doesn't mean that Kerry is lying, any more than Bush or the Govenator are. Memory of emotional situations is simply extremely poor.

    Why do so many people that served alongside and above Kerry...

    First, you are stretching the term "served with him". You mean "were also in Vietnam during the war". Few of the SBVT's "served" with Kerry (i.e. on the same boat, or the same unit). And they're saying what they're claiming because of Kerry's Congressional testimony, which they felt "slandered" vets. They feel that Kerry lied over that, but can't contradict it (that whole messy My Lai incident, amoung others, kinda gets in the way) - so they feel justified in lying about his record.

    ...(including almost all of his commanding officers)...

    Really? Like the officer who had his name added to the SBVT's claims without being asked? Or the officers who claimed, up to two years ago, that Kerry was a fine and outstanding officer? Or the officers who have since recanted adding thier names to the SBVT's list?

    When are we going to get answers from Kerry and not ad hominem attacks?

    You've had answers. Every single piece of Naval documentation, every crewmember on Kerry's boat (with the exception of that one gunner - who has changed his story several times) and several naval personell who were never part of Kerry's "Band of Brothers" or the SBVT's but who have now voluntarily come forward, have reinforced and confirmed Kerry's record.

  49. Re:Oh Really!!!? by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So far almost every attack on the Swift Boat Veterans has been a personal, ad hominem attack on these veterans' character, not on their claims.

    Really? Almost everything I've heard has been about how the Swift Boat Veteran's claims contradict the official records & the few eye witnesses who are still living.

    I suppose you could consider it an attack on their character when people talk about how these veterans insist that _they_ are right, and the records & the eye-witnesses are wrong (or lying), even though many of these guys weren't directly involved in the incidents they are criticising. And when people point out that many of the same people made similar criticisms about McCain (with about as much credibility).

    If these guys were talking about they had heard that the fish that some competitor caught wasn't really all that big (even though the fish had been weighed & recorded by the official fishing organization), then most of the audience would probably call them liars - especially if they were caught being paid lots of money by another fisherman after saying such things, and if they had also said such things about another competitor at the _last_ fishing competition. Since this is politics though, anybody supporting Kerry calls them liars, and anyone supporting Bush says anybody contradicting them is lying.

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