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Yahoo! Buys Musicmatch

coyotegestalt writes "According to PC World, Yahoo! has just finalized a deal to buy Musicmatch (both its On Demand and download services) for $160 million. More details at IBD. This is a major narrowing of the online music market."

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  1. Second rate! by mekkab · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great! A second-rate search engine buys a second rate MP3 player! News at 11!

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    1. Re:Second rate! by BobPaul · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know I'm going against the crowd, but has anyone found anything quite as good as MusicMatch's Smart Tagging capability? Winamp finally has a library, but it still doesn't manage music as well as MusicMatch and has no where near the tag-managment capabilities.

      I've seen a couple of products that offer Tags from filenames, but nothing that does tags from file names and directory struture as well as the reverse.

      (WinAmp 5 did actually win me over from MMJB, btw. So the question asked in this post is not rhetorical.)

    2. Re:Second rate! by vijaya_chandra · · Score: 5, Informative

      You might be trying to be funny.
      But Yahoo! doesn't definitely mean just the search engine.
      They do have other good services like mail and messenger. While gmail might have stolen have a big chunk of their email base, their messenger is definitely not sub-par (not that it'd matter much for users of gaim)

      Add things like launch, games, news, groups, geocities, mobile .... and you have a pretty impressive list

    3. Re:Second rate! by mrklin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is Yahoo's search engine sceond rate?

      A little bit late to the game but the Yahoo! Search interface at http://search.yahoo.com/ is almost as clean as Google's.

      Yahoo's search results, supplied by algorithms combined from the once-superior Yahoo, Altavista, and Inktomi, is in my opinion (and many search engine watchers too) just as good as Google's too.

      As for their music acqusition, personaly I use iTunes. I look forward to see what Google does next. Picasa/Hello are pretty good acquisitions.

    4. Re:Second rate! by michael+path · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's gotten to the point where I've forgotten Yahoo! had a search engine.

      I wouldn't agree about Musicmatch though, their player isn't bad - and I've used it for encoding and playback of much of my collection. My only complaint is that launching is a touch too resource intensive - almost as bad as WMP.

    5. Re:Second rate! by rainman_bc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Personally, Yahoo lost me forever with their search engine with the X10 popups. Switched to google around that time, as I suspect many others did the same.

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    6. Re:Second rate! by gordgekko · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I know I'm going against the crowd, but has anyone found anything quite as good as MusicMatch's Smart Tagging capability? Winamp finally has a library, but it still doesn't manage music as well as MusicMatch and has no where near the tag-managment capabilities.

      You aren't alone actually. I switched over completely to WinAmp just because I was tired of MMJB's bloat and speed issues and I miss its great tagging abilities. I haven't found any replacement software that does it as nicely as MMJB did.

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    7. Re:Second rate! by frankthechicken · · Score: 4, Informative

      Have you tried Foobar 2000(I would recommend the Special Install)?

      It has excellent tagging capabilities, and more than a few useful plug-ins.

      Their forum's quite useful as well.

    8. Re:Second rate! by g-doo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How about...a first-rate portal since its founding? It seems that quite a few people scoff at anything that's not Google/Apple/Linux/etc. without much basis. While Yahoo! Search may have lost its number one position a few years ago, it has certainly reworked its search engine to the point where it's comparable to Google's. It's just that many Slashdotters have tried no search engine recently other than Google, so they wouldn't know.

    9. Re:Second rate! by 3terrabyte · · Score: 3, Informative
      I may be wrong, because I have only used it on other people's machines, but I think the reason why it has such great internet tagging features is becaues Music Match licenses AllMusic.com's database. You get album art, titles, genre, the whole thing.

      Personally, due to the *ahem* huge amount of mp3's I deal with, I personally tag and rename all my mine manually with Tag & Rename.

      It connects to CDDB or FreeDB or Allmusic. It takes a little longer than the close-your-eyes and hope MusicMatch is correct, but then I know it's tagged correctly.

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  2. Money by Stevyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I guess Apple's initial thoughts that online music distribution wouldn't yeild much of a profit hasn't quite shown to be true.

  3. Internet Conglomerations? by aldeng · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is it just me, or are all of the internet portals (MSN, AOL, Yahoo) building their own little digital life empires? How long till Google follows suit, or will the even?

    1. Re:Internet Conglomerations? by Nos. · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Don't forget, google bought Picasa not that long ago.

    2. Re:Internet Conglomerations? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Is it just me, or are all of the internet portals (MSN, AOL, Yahoo) building their own little digital life empires?

      I'm surprised it took you this long to notice. The only way you become a mega-corporation is by diversifying across your product lines. The search engines have been in a unique position to do this in the technology world.

      How long till Google follows suit, or will the even?

      You mean they're not? Between the search engine, Froogle, Google Blogs, GMail, Google Groups, Google News, and other features, I'd have thought they'd be on the top of the list for "digital empires".

    3. Re:Internet Conglomerations? by kfergos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The question now is, what will the effect be on online music consumers? Greater competition is always advantageous for buyers, driving the price down. If the major internet portals are building their own empires - monopolies? Is such a thing possible online? - it seems that the consumers will once again get screwed as our choices decrease and prices increase.

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    4. Re:Internet Conglomerations? by peragrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey you want to know a little tiny secret???

      AOL, MSN, Yahoo Google, all want to control how yuo view content. That whole WWW thing just got in the way. Think about it, if anyone could access everything what would happen??? Free speach, na just no money for the providers.

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  4. Will they merge Launchcast and MM..... by ARRRLovin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    so MM knows what you like and will better suit your musical tastes? That would be an interesting data-merge project.

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  5. Narrows? by LittleVito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As far as I can tell, Yahoo has an on-line radio service, but not a music services system like MusicMatch. It's not so much narrowing the field as Yahoo was never really in the field to begin with. It's more like moving a player around.

  6. Major Narrowing? by TheGax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How exactly does this represent a major narrowing of the online music industry?
    Yahoo didn't have any sort of pay music service that I can think of. Their "Launch" thing is basically just a radio station kind of deal. And MusicMatch doesn't say "online music" to me. They're a late comer in the game. Yahoo probably figures they can enter the game buy snapping up the newest (cheapest) player.

  7. shocking by -kertrats- · · Score: 4, Interesting

    yet another pointless add-on to clutter up yahoo more...they're reminding me of that new game katamari damacy...

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  8. why is this in any way important by aardwolf204 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is this in any way important?

    This means little to most slashdotters. We dont use Yahoo, we all switched to google ages ago. We dont use Musicmatch Jukebox, thats what cdex, winamp, xmms, mplayer, etc is for. Didnt we just go through this a few hours ago with Real's player. We bitch, moan, but we dont even use the services / software anyway. This headline is just about exciting as popular desktop wallpaper site merges with popular desktop icon site.

    I'm wearing slashdot green today.

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    1. Re:why is this in any way important by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This means little to most slashdotters. We dont use Yahoo, we all switched to google ages ago.

      Why do people still consider Yahoo! a search engine when it's clearly a web portal and a popular one at that. Can you play Fantasy Football at Google.com? Can you play chess online? Can you watch trailers, listen to music, shop, check your calendar...etc. etc. Google is a great search engine but that's all it is. Yahoo! is a web portal that features a search engine. They're not even in the same game as Google.

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    2. Re:why is this in any way important by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't use Yahoo for the search engine. I do use it for the email (occasionally) the mapping & directions (not perfect but usually provides a workable starting point), yellow pages, the occasional news story linked from a forum thread and other things.

    3. Re:why is this in any way important by aardwolf204 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sure, I could do tons of stuff on Yahoo. Get driving directions, play games online, read news, check stocks, do email, auctions, personals, movie trailers, but then my bookmarks would all have little yellow "Y!"'s next to them and that's only one step above butterflies and flags on my web browser, instant messenger, email client, and media player and that wreaks of conformity.

      We've got to have tabbed browsing, odd codec playing, grass roots protocol speaking, vi and emacs running, happy little apps with a logo zoo full of loveable creatures. *Imagines tux dancing in a field with the fox, bird, gnu, and squirrel in slow motion*

      Nobody doubted that yahoo provides a cool service, what you failed to notice was the little green logo on the top left of this page.

      This is not an attack on yahoo or your character, its just a generalization about the demographics of slashdot, so start drinking the kool-aid.

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  9. Fine, as long as they dontt "Yahoo!" it! by jbarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I PAID for the "lifetime" update subscription for MusicMatch a couple years ago, and have been very happy withe the app. Unfortunatly, Yahoo! is notorious for filling its pages (mail, groups, etc.) with huge, obnoxious ads--even on paid eamil accounts. So if Yahoo! junks up MusicMatch with its typical ads like their other online services, I'll dump it in a heartbeat.

    MusicMatch has been a lean, mean app that has worked on systems that WinAmp couldn't. If Yahoo mucks this one up, I'll be really pissed.

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    1. Re:Fine, as long as they dontt "Yahoo!" it! by sjs132 · · Score: 2

      And this hurts MM/Yahoo how?

      "Dammit, I paid for the software, and if you change it I'm gonna quit using it!"

      Hmmm... Sounds like you just cut off your nose...

      I bucked up and bought winamp "Pro" version... I too have MM Jukebox lifetime... I like the Winamp much better and haven't felt bad about the extra $$$ for a decent mp3 player... But as a previous poster stated, the MMJB Smart tagging is awsome... .It's about the only thing I use my MMJB for...

      Old version 6 of MMJB too, as somewhere along the line, it got SLOW AND CLUDGY when it starts up... sometimes bogging down the system a good bit... MMJB tech said they won't say what the changes were because it proprietary software... No problem, just didn't do any upgrades since.

      ooops, look at that, the horse just died... Guess we can stop beating it now...

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    2. Re:Fine, as long as they dontt "Yahoo!" it! by Zorilla · · Score: 3, Informative

      I actually test installed 9.0 a few days ago. Instead of one 40 MB process, there's four or five 9 MB processes for just one instance of MusicMatch Jukebox. That and the 5 seconds it takes to load is enough to discredit it being a lean, mean app.

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  10. Narrowing? by LowneWulf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does Yahoo own other online music shops already? Otherwise, how is this narrowing the market?

  11. Branching out by StevenHenderson · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Does anyone think that this is Yahoo's way of not putting all their eggs in one basket since they are losing search engine "marketshare" to Google?

    This might re-invigorate Musicmatch if Yahoo decides to roll out the Marketing Machine.

    1. Re:Branching out by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yahoo always has been in the business of branching out and becoming a "web portal" rather than a search engine. That's why they've got e-mail, fanatasy football games, a music news site, an IM client, and all sorts of other things in their brand image.

      It's Google who always stayed as a search engine only and is making newsworthy branch out efforts in the form of GMail and such.

  12. Slashdot summary wrong yet again... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a major narrowing of the online music market.

    Excuse me? I don't see any "Yahoo! Music Download" service folding up. "Launch Music on Yahoo" is a music news site, now likely to see its brand image tied closer to the MusicMatch music delivery service.

    Yahoo!'s favorite music delivery service at this point according to the launch.yahoo.com page appears to be going out and buying the CD the old fashioned way at Target.

  13. Pre-installed crap by bubbaprog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Has anyone noticed how impossible this stuff is to remove from a new Dell computer? Hopefully Yahoo! does something about this bloated piece of ubiquitous spyware.

  14. Funny by StevenHenderson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Funny how now you can use a company's search engine to crack a piece of its software!

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  16. Not Dell.... by Fenceman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And I thought for sure that Dell would have been the one to buy up MusicMatch. Oh well, as long as Yahoo can keep up the high quality that I've become accustomed to with MM, I'll be happy--not likely given their history though :(

  17. been a while since I tried musicmatch by John_Allen_Mohammed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    but the last time I did, it just skipped over all 37,000 of my music files because it didn't support .ogg. Any change since then or is it still crippleware ?

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  18. blah by Tirinal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a major narrowing of the online music market.

    Not really. For all practical intents and purposes, Apple has the online music market under its thumb. Barring some very unYahoo-like innovation, the consequences of this sale will likely be nothing more than surface ripples.

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  19. News at 11 by WesG · · Score: 3, Funny

    You ready for an awesome knock-knock joke?

    Knock knock?
    Who's there?
    Goo
    Goo who?
    GOOOOOOOOOOOGLE

    But seriously....

  20. does this mean... by m2bord · · Score: 3, Funny

    that we have to listen to the Yahoo! yodel after every 4 mp3's?

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  21. trendsetters by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When Yahoo bought Broadcast.com at the height of the dotcom equity inflation in 1998, the purchase price was divided by the number of songs in which Yahoo thereby owned the copyright. That was the basis for the RIAA agreement, now law, pricing online performances of each song at $0.000,7 each listen. Of course the performance fees are collected in cash, while the Yahoo/Broadcast.com deal was in inflated stock, so the cost of publishing is prohibitive for all but corporate "official" publishers.

    The new deal for MusicMatch should provide a new calculus for the "market price per song". How many performances has Yahoo purchased, for how much money? After the math dust has settled, what's the price per listen?

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  22. not in the paid email anymore by ChipMonk · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have a paid Yahoo email account. I haven't seen a big obnoxious ad in my email interface since they re-vamped and upped their quotas earlier this year.

  23. Not sure the summary makes sense... by inkdesign · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is this a "major narrowing of the online music market" when all the same players still exist, new stores open left and right, and one simply has a new owner?

  24. God Bless by g0bshiTe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ./xmms

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  25. Re:crappy engine, crappy player by Masami+Eiri · · Score: 2, Funny

    Only if the whippees are llamas.

  26. Musicmatch.com history by Sabaki · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Neat, it's almost like I've been bought by Yahoo.

    Back in the day, my company (Creative Multimedia Corporation, long since gone the way of the dodo), created MusicMatch.com, MovieMatch.com, HealthExplorer.com, the original Dr. Ruth's website. Among others. I was webmaster for most of these. Oh, the glory days.

    When CMC started to fold, we sold off MusicMatch.com and the logo to a little company then called Brava software. I remember transferring and renaming their entire library (20 songs or so) with a shell script. It didn't seem like a good business model, because who would buy these huge music files from them?

    But I guess they made it work well enough to get bought.

  27. Re:Musicmatch was good by Zorilla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, because a player with a minibrowser, video playback, and a 30 MB footprint is so much better. Nullsoft should really continue to develop Winamp 2 again.

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  28. Linux Port? by krgallagher · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I used to subscribe to Musicmatch Platinum. I thought it was an incredible service! I especially liked the artist match and on demand services. I have a varied (some say warped) taste in music. Musicmatch did an incredible job of using my existing mp3 collection to target online music to my tastes.

    During the two years I was a subscriber, my only complaint was that there was no Linux option. I filled out surveys and finally even complained to customer support. The response I recieved from customer support was that codec licensing agreements prevented them from releasing a Linux port.

    Even so I continued to subscribe until I switched to my current job where they do not allow me to listen to online music at work (the main place I use windows as an OS.)

    If Yahoo is able to bring out a Linux port of the online service, I will immediately become a subscriber again.

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  29. The blind continue to lead the blind by inkswamp · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I admit I'm an Apple fanatic, but the attempts I've seen thus far at competing with iTunes has been almost funny to watch (almost funny--except I know there are lots of people behind these efforts doing a sincere job.) I can't even begin to imagine how anyone is going to compete, even MS who lacks the iPod factor here. I just hope Apple doesn't get cocky about it because someone somewhere will figure out an angle on it at some point.

    But anyway, Yahoo, who has no track record in this regard is buying MusicMatch who has no substantial track record to really speak of. Here's my predictions:

    Netscape will by this then they will be bought out by Real who will be bought out by SCO who will be bought out by Wal-Mart who will then dump the whole music thing because the RIAA won't sell tracks for 38 cents.

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  30. Re:Integrating with instant messenger? by metalpet · · Score: 3, Informative

    You should check the latest yahoo messenger client, as it already integrates with launchast radio.
    It also lets you put what song you're listening to in your online status, so your friends can appreciate how hip you are, or something.
    As a bonus, if a friend clicks on your status, he gets to hear a bit of the song you're hearing.

  31. Re:crappy engine, crappy player by mfrnka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because ITunes definitely does NOT whip its ass for those of use interested in a streaming music service. MusicMatch OnDemand service is one of the few (only?) viable alternatives to Real's Rhapsody.

  32. Yahoo still trumps Google by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I like Google better as a company, and I like their search, email, and news site sbetter, I sure do wish they had some of the portal features Yahoo has. I mean, with Yahoo! Calender, Yahoo! Addressbook, Yahoo! greetings, Yahoo! Messanger, and Yahoo! Mail, and the seamless integration between them all, Yahoo is basically an online groupware suite.

    I also wish Google news was customizeable like my.yahoo.com - while Google news is more timely and more relevant, many of the topics have no interest to me, and I'd like to be able to insert stock tickers and whatnot. My Yahoo! even lets you plug your own RSS feeds in now.

  33. So does this mean that.... by shockingbluerose · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I already love Launch cast because of the "my station" feature. Maybe this merger will mean that when I hear a song I can download it for a small fee. That'd be great!

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  34. media distribution by tofu2go · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yahoo isn't just a portal/search engine company. their intent is to become an internet media distribution company (Launch and its recent integration with Messenger comes to mind). Semel's background and talent was in Media Distribution, so buying up musicmatch and adding music distribution to their stable of products is an obvious move.

    Musicmatch may not be a big player on the lines of iTunes, but they certainly have an established brand name that Yahoo could take advantage of. and their jukebox player is quite popular, so if they can figure out how to lure more users into the integrated store, that's only a click away in the jukebox player, it could be a success.

  35. What a waste.. by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Roland: It's a waste. A goddamn waste.

    I really think Yahoo should concentrate on what they have now instead of trying to expend effort into YET more areas.

    Lets see what 'good' yahoo has.
    -yahoo auctions? who cares?
    -yahoo mail? with gmail now?
    -yahoo groups? well, that's good to some extent..
    -yahoo's search engine? bleigh, that sucks without google's backend.
    -yahoo's portal? you really like that shebang?

    Maybe 160mil is spare change to yahoo now, but if they don't establish a core competency, they will probably become irrelevant very soon!