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Whopping-Big Data Theft At U.C. Berkeley

aceta writes "An intruder penetrated a research computer at U.C. Berkeley in August and had access to names, social security numbers and other data for 1.4 million Californians participating in a state social program. CNET calls it the worst intrusion U.C. Berkeley has experienced. SecurityFocus additional details: the hacker used a known vulnerability, and state officials have yanked the university's research access to the data because of the breach. The victims were all receiving or providing at-home care under a state program to help the elderly and disabled. The FBI is investigating."

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  1. It's not theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's "copyright infringement".

  2. Traffic Safety Center by 2.7182 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting. A few years ago there was a smaller such incident at the Berkeley Traffic Safety Center.

    1. Re:Traffic Safety Center by Feminist-Mom · · Score: 4, Informative

      That was a theft of mostly technical motor vehicle data from a study, and so it wasn't very damaging to the participants. Although I wouldn't want my car model / color etc. publicly available.

    2. Re:Traffic Safety Center by Sc00ter · · Score: 5, Funny
      So you drive around with your car under a big blanket or something?

    3. Re:Traffic Safety Center by Brummund · · Score: 4, Funny

      Tinfoil, my son, tinfoil. :-)

  3. Fix by rguiu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Should be quite easy to fix, now give new name and social security name to everyone involved.

    1. Re:Fix by AviLazar · · Score: 2, Informative

      SS is a tax ID. It is also referred to as an EIN number (though Tax ID and EIN are generally referred to for businesses) but they are one and the same....in fact businesses typically start with 23-#######...if you notice, this is the same length as a personal SS number of ###-##-####.
      Though if your credit is crappy, being able to switch - without the crap leaking over - would be a great thing. Now what you want to do is get yourself classified as a non-profit organization - then you really reap benefits :D

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  4. At Berkeley? by buckeyeguy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Was the system in question still running BSD? ;)

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    1. Re:At Berkeley? by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Two things have come out of Berkeley, Unix and LSD. It is uncertain which caused the other.

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  5. Re:suprising... by metlin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The university detected its computer system had been broken into at the end of August, but did not notify the state until Sept. 27 after the school had done its own investigation with the FBI, Strait said.

    Are they allowed to do that? Without notifying the state at all? Especially considering that the data that was lost belongs to the state.

    Already UC is having a lot of trouble in the (mis)handling of national labs and a few other problems, this would only compound it. Damn.

  6. Guess What by Moby+Cock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can smell an over-reaction brewing. This is just the sort of incident that can force the adoption of stringent laws. The thing is, the machine at Berkeley were the ones victimised but it seems to me that this type of information will be sought after regardless of where it is. What I mean is, although Berkeley should have hardened the machine against an intrustion they were victimised because of the info they had, not who they were. The government servers are going to be targeted too.

    1. Re:Guess What by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can smell an over-reaction brewing. This is just the sort of incident that can force the adoption of stringent laws.

      As you all probably know I'm the last person that thinks that we should create laws due to overreaction but in this case I have to say that we do need more stringent laws against protecting SSNs.

      There is absolutely no reason that a researcher needed access to SSNs. They should have all been assigned a random ID number and that should have been linked back to the SSNs and stored in the STATE OFFICES ONLY for later cross referencing.

      We have all these demands for SSNs and we are supposed to be protecting them as our entire history is linked to them yet we don't have any real protections when they are.

    2. Re:Guess What by garcia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is nobody actually cares about that minor little legal detail. I wish the government would crack down on this and take care of identity theft once and for all.

      Well I went to a video store once. They required an SSN to rent movies there. When I told her it was illegal to use them as an ID number she told me it wasn't illegal to refuse me service.

      As long as there's no way to enforce the rules the rules are worthless.

      Now, in this case SSNs were likely necessary in the first place but they are probably unnecessary for research and thus my suggestion that the records should have been linked to a random ID number that was only able to be cross-referenced later at the State office.

    3. Re:Guess What by GoofyBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >they were victimised because of the info they had, not who they were.

      No, universities, military, government are targetted for who they are.

      When a person starts cracking a new machine, its very rare they have any idea what data is on the machine.

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    4. Re:Guess What by drgreg911 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anybody have a reference that'll prove it's illegal to use a SSN as an ID number? I'm at a University that requires me to produce my SSN pretty much constantly. It's my student ID number, generally the number used to post exam scores online so as to "hide the identity" of the student receiving each grade. Last week I had to write it on the top of every page of a many-paged exam so that an army of TAs could use it to keep track of my pages during grading. Scary shit ... I'd love to be able to put a stop to that with a legal reference.

    5. Re:Guess What by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anybody have a reference that'll prove it's illegal to use a SSN as an ID number?

      How 'bout a reference that proves that it isn't? SSN FAQ.

      I'm at a University that requires me to produce my SSN pretty much constantly. It's my student ID number, generally the number used to post exam scores online so as to "hide the identity" of the student receiving each grade.

      If they're a public school, then they probably can't do this. But every school I've been to has had a procedure where one could change their student ID to a randomly generated one. It's not very publicized, and you usually have to go far up the chain of "let me talk to your manager" before you even get someone who knows about it, but it's usually possible.

    6. Re:Guess What by Shajenko42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The university I went to allowed you to request an alternate number be used as your student identification number. It was the same length as a SSN.

    7. Re:Guess What by garcia · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, if you are in the United States it is against FERPA to use SSNs (or parts thereof) to post grades.

      I suggest immediately asking all your professors to cease and desist their actions. If they refuse bring it to the heads of their departments. If your requests are again ignored I suggest filing a complaint against them as shown below...

      See the document posted below with regards to this (pasted because it's in DOC format -- formatted after paste to avoid whitespace filter):

      ===

      Dr. Evangelos J. Gizis
      Interim President
      Hunter College of the City University of New York
      695 Park Avenue
      New York, New York 10021

      Complaint No.
      Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act

      Dear Dr. Gizis:

      This is to advise you of the finding in the complaint filed with this Office by [Student] who alleged that Hunter College of the City University of New York (College) violated his rights under the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). Specifically, the Student alleged that Mr. Cullen Schaffer, a computer science professor, posted his exam and final grade on a web page along with the last four digits of his social security number.

      This Office advised you of the allegation by letter dated August 21, 2000, and you responded on behalf of the College by letter dated September 25, 2000. You state in your letter that many College professors do post grades by the last four digits of a student's social security number. You state that "no student names are listed" and that this "enables students to easily identify their own grades, yet remain unable to identify any other student's identities." You also state that the College does "not consider this practice to be in violation of FERPA or any other applicable laws."

      FERPA protects privacy interests of parents in their children's "education records," and generally prohibits the disclosure of personally identifiable information from education records without the consent of the parent. The term "education records" is broadly defined as all records, files, documents and other materials which:

      contain information directly related to a student; and are maintained by the educational agency or institution or by a person acting for such agency or institution.

      20 U.S.C. 1232g(a)(4)(A); 34 CFR 99.3 "Education records." When a student reaches the age of 18 or attends an institution of postsecondary education, the student is considered an "eligible student" under FERPA and all of the rights afforded by FERPA transfer from the parents to the student.

      Under FERPA an eligible student must provide his or her prior written consent before an educational agency or institution discloses personally identifiable information from his or her education records. 20 U.S.C. 1232g(b); 34 CFR 99.30. Section 99.3 of the regulations defines the "Personally identifiable information" as information that includes but is not limited to:

      (a) the student's name;
      (b) the name of the student's parent or other family member;
      (c) the address of the student or the student's family;
      (d) a personal identifier, such as the student's social security number or student number;
      (e) a list of personal characteristics that would make the student's identity easily traceable; or
      (f) other information that would make the student's identity easily traceable.

      34 CFR 99.3 "Personally identifiable information." (Emphasis added.) A student's social security number is, by definition, "personally identifiable information" under FERPA, and may not be disclosed without consent in any form.

      FERPA provides that educational agencies and institutions may not disclose personally identifiable, non-directory information from education records unless a parent or eligible student has provided a signed and dated written consent in accordance

  7. WHAT!?! by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Funny

    I didnt know the "SSN database.mdb" in /tmp was 'secret'!

    Oh-nos!

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  8. SSNs or not? by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The data, which included home addresses, telephone numbers and dates of birth, was being used at the state's authorization but without the consent of the individuals whose information was being used in the study.

    The title says it included SSNs but the article doesn't mention them. Were they included or not? What the hell does a researcher need to have SSNs for anyway? Can't they be identified by insignificant numbers?

    The university detected its computer system had been broken into at the end of August, but did not notify the state until Sept. 27 after the school had done its own investigation with the FBI, Strait said.

    And here we are on October 20th hearing about it. I wonder if the people that were included in that database (that should have been kept on a completely secluded network IMHO) were contacted September 28th or if they had to wait until three bureaucratic agencies had done their own investigations...

    1. Re:SSNs or not? by Fedallah · · Score: 4, Interesting
      And here we are on October 20th hearing about it. I wonder if the people that were included in that database (that should have been kept on a completely secluded network IMHO) were contacted September 28th or if they had to wait until three bureaucratic agencies had done their own investigations...


      Both my wife and my mother-in-law are most likely contained in that database (my wife as a former IHSS caregiver, my mother-in-law as a current IHSS care-receiver), and this is the first I've heard of this break-in. To be honest, I feel betrayed the state of California's apparent lackadaisical approach to guarding these social security numbers. Why would these numbers be shared with a university for research purposes anyways? It really doesn't make sense anyways, and I don't recall my wife signing any type of release to allow this personal information being used for research purposes. I guess it's time to go safeguard against identity theft (not to mention contemplate the potential success of a class action lawsuit against the state of California on grounds of negligence.)
  9. Worst. Intrusion. Ever. by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 4, Insightful
    CNET calls it the worst intrusion U.C. Berkeley has experienced

    No. It's only the worst intrusion they were made aware of. There could have been more...

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  10. Why did they need all of that data? by ericzundel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It makes you wonder...

    Why does a research program need access to social security numbers, phone numbers, and the like?

    I think the real story is the State of California sharing too much personal information, regardless of how the hacker got access to it.

  11. Want to sell by ValuJet · · Score: 4, Funny

    1.4 million Social Security numbers.

  12. Universities notorious by bigberk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Universities are notorious for having poor network security! They typically don't have sufficient staff to maintain such tight control over network access. Why would such sensitive information be kept on inherently vulnerable networks in the first place?

    1. Re:Universities notorious by jschottm · · Score: 4, Informative

      On the contrary, most major universities have the staff, software, equipment, and knowhow to maintain tight control over the network, it's that their hands are tied by professors who demand complete access to whatever they want in the name of accademic freedom and by the students who are paying $X thousands dollars for the experience, and by god, are going to use their $P2PSOFT.

      My 27,000 student body university weathers most of the worms better than most large businesses, despite having little control over the computers on the network. And we keep our key servers safe. Assuming a lack of zero day exploits (as is true in this case), there's no reason an important server is any less safe in an accademic environment than a corporate one. Someone was asleep at the wheel, and you'll find that anywhere.

    2. Re:Universities notorious by mi · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Indeed. It took years for my ex-school to switch to ssh and ban outside telnet-ing. At the conclusion of one discussion, the head admin said, that she is still not convinced, they need ssh, but that she might consider disabling rsh... May be, because it is a government-run school, I don't know.

      And there still is no SSL support on IMAP server(s). To protect my account, I have to ssh in and create a tunnel -- this way I am only exposed to a hacker already on the department net...

      The only real admin I know there seems quite competent, but either he is overloaded by work or the security just is not a high priority, I guess...

      They have a nice policy, of keeping accounts of alumnis alive for as long as they are active, though.

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    3. Re:Universities notorious by megaversal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a slight difference in our thinking, I think.

      When I say businesses don't have to assume their internal users are enemies... the users can unknowingly ruin systems (works, viruses, etc), but most of them are there just to do their work (the employees). My students specifically take the time to try to break my workstations, servers, and everything in between.

      Everything has to be physically protected far more than your standard company (at least in my experiences with both sides). At the lowest level, we find missing mouse balls routinely. It's not as sophisticated as the 20% of employees who are stealing the extra memory out of their machine, but it's much more of a pain in the ass. I wonder if it has to do with the "it's my workstation in my cubicle" mentality vs "this is just a computer in the computer lab."

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  13. One has to ask the question by TuballoyThunder · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What purpose does it serve the researchers to have SSN's? The purpose of the study was to study the impact of wages on in-home care. Likewise, the names are irrelevant to the researchers. The agency that provided the data should have eliminated the names and SSN's and replaced them with a unique identifier.

    This smacks of laziness on the part of the data provider and the researcher(s).

  14. Do What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The compromised system had the names, addresses, phone numbers, social security numbers and dates of birth of everyone ... Since it is sensitive data we figured it would be best to get word out to people so they can take preventive measures just in case."

    Preventive measures like changing their name, address, SSN and date of birth?

  15. Privacy of information in an insecure system by Tucan · · Score: 3, Informative

    This seems to be a case when the privacy of the information could have been maintained despite the breach of security if they had been using a "translucent database". Peter Wayner wrote a good book about this, and as far as I know coigned the term.

    It naturally requires some thought to do right but it seems like it could have worked in this case.

  16. How many intrusions went undetected? by theluckyleper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The thing that worries me about these sorts of news articles is the fact that there are probably 10x as many similar intrusions which go undetected. I imagine that most crackers worth their salt would be concerned with covering their tracks!

    Which is why I always say "NO" when asked by online stores, "Would you like us to remember your credit card number for future transactions?" I think they need a "HELL NO!" option :)

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    1. Re:How many intrusions went undetected? by tgrigsby · · Score: 2, Funny

      Online bill pay service options:

      "Would you like us to remember your credit card number for future transactions?

      a. Why yes, please.
      b. Remember all but the last 5 digits.
      c. I'm not sure.
      d. No thank you.
      e. What do I look like, some kind of MORON?!
      f. ^&%$* YOU!
      g. No, and please list all the credit card numbers you already have, thereby saving me the trouble of hacking your system."

      Cracker: g

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  17. Re:BSD is causing death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I run FreeBSD at home and feel a little safer that a company

    Will your FreeBSD installation prevent you from putting your data on an available Apache server?

  18. Re:BSD is causing death by TAGmclaren · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's given you the idea that this was a BSD vulnerability?

    I'm not disputing that it might be the case (and yeah I know what BSD stands for) but how do you know it wasn't Windows or something else?

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  19. Re:Yeah by NardofDoom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A wise man once said "A society is stable when some nut guns down a schoolyard and the laws *don't* change."

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  20. Re:Yeah by gorbachev · · Score: 2, Informative

    The laws are already there. Too bad they are not enforced.

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  21. Seperate networks... by EtherNetFreak · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oddly enough, the large University I work for has been discussing making two or three seperate networks inside the univesrity to keep something like this from happening. Presently, the Hospital has their own private network interconnected to our network via a firewall. We have been toying with the idea of making a private network for sensitive university machines an faculty networks. Thus then leaving the students and other network users on a more normal public network, behind the border firewall of course. The discussion of data security has come more than once and now I'm just waiting for that email saying, 'it's on'. And the acronymns will fly.... VLAN, VPN et al. yay!

  22. Re:suprising... by 2.7182 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, but you have to realize that they don't have smart CS security expert professors doing their windows administration for them.

  23. Information Technology Policy by Mstrgeek · · Score: 4, Informative
    This is an outline of the University of California, Berkeley's Campus Plan Implementing the UC Requirements for Protection of Computerized Personal Information

    http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu:7015/protected. data.html

    Hope you find it to be as educational on this subject as I did

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  24. Outsourcing anyone? by mhollis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This may be seen as slightly offtopic, but the company I work for has outsourced payroll. Payroll includes the information supposedly stolen from this database, Social security numbers, home addresses, age, date of birth as well as a lot of financial information giving access to the earnings of many for many years.

    I'm wondering when the Indian company (or some person within that company) decides to legally sell that information to some Moldavian Mafiosi. I'll bet there are no Indian laws regarding the release of Social Security numbers and financial information of Americans. Might violate a contract but who's paying more?

    Does your company outsource payroll?

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    1. Re:Outsourcing anyone? by spoonyfork · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll bet there are no Indian laws regarding the release of Social Security numbers and financial information of Americans.

      BTW, it is not illegal in the US to "release" social security numbers and financial information. There are quite a few companies that make a nice profit from selling this information on a daily basis. I doubt that if it is legal in the US that it would be illegal in other countries like India (except perhaps Germany).

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  25. What the hobag? by sockonafish · · Score: 2, Interesting

    SecurityFocus's description is no better than CNet's, I thought they'd have more technical details. What system were the running? What exploit?

    Oh, wait, I get it, they probably haven't patched the exploit yet.

  26. SSN by sxmjmae · · Score: 5, Informative

    They should have cleaned the data and removed the SSN. When we pass information outside the company we remove any reference to the SSN and replace it with a zero padded sequence to the same length as the SSN. If they ever need to know who the individual is they can give us this sequence number and we can look them up. Our plans are to remove any possible reference to the SSN in the database and replace them with a good old fashion sequence number (IE Customer number). Only payroll will have a table that links the sequence number to the SSN (a must when filing taxes).

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  27. Anyone know what OS this was that got hacked? by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Was it Windows, Linux, BSD, Solaris etc?? It doesn't say in the articles.

    1. Re:Anyone know what OS this was that got hacked? by AnodeCathode · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It obviously wasn't Windows or that would have been mentioned in the first sentence.

  28. Wake up call! by No+Tears+In+The+End · · Score: 2, Informative

    Stop giving everyone your social security number.

    Only the government really needs it. For the sake of saving time and aggrevation, I'll provide mine to my employer and my bank as well but no one else needs to get it. Ever.

    NTITE

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    1. Re:Wake up call! by gkuz · · Score: 2
      Stop giving everyone your social security number.

      Only the government really needs it.

      Yeah, but unfortunately this was government data, and the individuals represented by it had no choice nor say in the matter. So your advice is useless in this instance.

  29. Re:What OS by mok000 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Right, it doesn't say. It only says "a research computer" so it could have been anything, even a laptop running Windows. The text also talks about "a well known exploit". This hints that it was indeed Windows. The significant difference in this hacker job is that most exploits install spyware and sends out viruses, while we don't hear about data theft very often.

    IMHO it is highly unlikely that this is BSD.

  30. you miss the point: this WAS the government by tjic · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You miss the point: these people only gave their information to the government.

    It was the government that

    • required their information
    • handed the info out to a third party
    • failed to ensure that the third party took adequate care
    Surprised? You shouldn't be. There's no market pressure on the government. If you're offended at their cavalier attitude, it's not like you can go with a competitor!

    One example of a government agency doing things the right way: about 15 years ago I worked on a university research project that used Census bureau data...but the data had been anonymized before we got it: some fields were removed, some were hashed, and the data had been pruned enough that you couldn't do an exhaustive match against a telephone book.

    In this case, though, it looks like some California agency just handed over the entire database, raw.

    Wonderful.

  31. Not Illegal by superid · · Score: 4, Informative
    According to The Social Security Administration it is not illegal for a business to ask you for your SSN.

    Can you provide a reference that it is illegal?

    Seriously, this is not a troll....I see this statement often and I want to know if it's an urban myth or not.

    1. Re:Not Illegal by clausiam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But that is completely insane. They're saying you can refuse to give it but that may mean you have to go without the service requesting it and then they mention a utility as an example and say "the choice is yours". So if you want to keep your SSN as private as possible you may have to live without electricity and water? It that what they call choice? /Claus

  32. Stupid businesses by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Now it's time to effectively ENFORCE the law that bans the usage of the SSNos as identification number for businesses, especially banks.

    The SSNo was never intended as an ID number. Yet, many businesses will take nothing else as a customer idendifier.

    Myself, I am being hounded by my electric power supplier who wants me to give them my SSNo (which I didn't when I opened my account).

  33. Why bother stealing this data? by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny
    The victims were all receiving or providing at-home care under a state program to help the elderly and disabled.

    So why bother stealing the SSNs of victims who are old and broke? You can't steal their money - they don't have any! If you steal their identity you'll wind up laying in a hospital with a tube in your nose being pumped full of Demerol....

    Oh, ok, now I understand.

  34. Outsource != Offshore by Politburo · · Score: 2

    My company also outsources payroll, like thousands of smaller businesses. ADP, founded in part by Senator Lautenberg (D-NJ), does payroll for my company. They are headquartered, as one would imagine, in New Jersey, not India.

    Outsourcing means having another company do the work. It doesn't mean that the work is necessarily being done in another country.

  35. I worked on this project... by bigbikkuri · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was working on this project, and I'll tell you I was extremeley disheartened to learn people would try and sabotage this project. It is for a really good cause (if you believe in unions that is, I don't, but it was still for a good cause) and I hope the project isn't jeapordized beyond repair because of this. For those who might have guessed, the system that was hacked was a Windows 2000 Pro box running SQL Server and a statistics program called STATA. The box was only up and running while retrieving data and was turned off the rest of the time while I was on the project. There were very strict rules about letting the box onto the network since it wasn't a Berkeley box, but then they took the box and put on their own security software which supposedly made the data safe. I can give you the name of the IT guy in charge if you want. Many of you are listing reasons for not having the SSN's on the database, and that they should have been kept at the state level and then the state give us unique identifier numbers. In actuality, the state does not provide that service, and only provides the data from several databases. We ourselves then created unique identifiers because we needed very specific samples from different populations of California. This identifier was made with a combination of people's relations, their ethnicity, and their social security number. You'd be surprised how many people in California have the same name. Also, although maybe not the best reason in some programmer's opinion - it was easier to separate people by their SSN because STATA didn't present a way to compare strings in a useful enough manner so as to use a combination of name and zipcode. And if you are wondering why we had names and addresses and phone numbers, it is because we called and mailed these people ourselves. Our first mailing - worked a 22 hour day, and tried about four different assembly lines! The state didn't help at all - and in the current time when we have idiot Republicans like Arnold (I can't spell his last name) who thinks fixing a state budget crisis involves cutting the budget of an already failing program and driving MORE people into poverty, I don't think you can expect them to help us tell them how and why they are wrong. I'm no longer on the project (got shipped overseas) but the people working on it are rock solid individuals, and personally, as a former IT guy myself, I blame the morons who worked IT at the division this project is taking place. I understand Berkeley is huge, but for a University that supposedly is "computers" - they have a lot of people with absolutely no clue.

    1. Re:I worked on this project... by hacksoncode · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a perfect example of why people who are out to save the world are dangerous.

    2. Re:I worked on this project... by bluesangria · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Go ahead and blame IT if you feel like it, but the fact is that the importance placed on computers and IT starts in one place - at the top with the University President.
      The former president of Rice University, for example, was known to brag about how they had the lowest ratio of IT staffers to campus computers. Of course, Rice was one of the sites used in the zombie DDOS attacks on Yahoo, and some other sites, a few years back.

      If the university leadership doesn't understand or place any importance on spending appropriately for IT staffing, salaries, training, etc., then you are going to have overworked, undertrained and understaffed IT people - the perfect scapegoat. But, it won't fix their problems until the university leadership itself takes IT seriously.
      Just my $.02
      blue

    3. Re:I worked on this project... by jonfelder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So basically you blame IT, Microsoft, STATA, and Arnold instead of having the researchers take any of them blame themselves for being unable to generate usable random IDs. Why didn't they just generate their own random 9 digit identifier and delete the SSNs?

      Why didn't they make sure the box was secure by never putting it on the Internet?

      Granted yes, Microsoft software has vulnerabilities, STATA may suck, IT support may be stupid, and the state may have been negligent in distributing sensative data this way, but don't you think the researchers have some responsibility for this as well?

      The researchers knew it wasn't good to have SSNs in the data and (according to you) had strict rules about network access because it wasn't a Berkeley box. Yet, they put the box on the Internet anyway with unobfuscated SSNs.

      Don't you think those actions on the part of the researchers require them the share in the responsibility?

  36. My choice by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm picking "Yusuf Islam", then I'm catching a flight.

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  37. In-Home care by Danman6126 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In cases involving over 500,000 people, the organization can warn the potential victims en masse through a website posting and by alerting the media.

    Yeah, like bed ridden old people that need in-home care are going to be able to check a website for info on what's going on.

    Try sending them a letter or something!

  38. SSN as National ID card (was:Re:Not Illegal) by e-gold · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I still have my SS card issued in the 1960s. It says, and I quote:

    "FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND TAX PURPOSES -- NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION."

    (The ALL CAPS is what's on my original card, I'm not "shouting"!)

    I'm sure there are reams of Social "Security" (ok, my classical-liberal bias is showing with the quote-marks, but bear with me. After all, there's NO TRUST FUND, it's all a BUNCH OF I.O.U.s!!!) documents which form various interpretive rules and laws that can't be fathomed by mere mortal nonlawyers, but ask yourself a couple of questions:

    1. Why would so many folks think it's illegal, if it's not?

    2. Why does my card say what it says, but modern cards make NO MENTION of the fact that it's allegedly "not for identification"? Did something change? When?!? Who voted for it???!!!

    Expanding government, when you lie to do it (and the lie was that the SSN was/is not gonna be used as a de-facto National ID card/number) is morally-wrong. Various events/excuses (I can see a 9/11 thread looming, so I'm trying to pre-squelch that now) don't make the moral-wrong of lying to expand government suddenly become right. If you want to expand government, say "I will make the government bigger, and this is why..." and then make an HONEST argument for once! Ok, rant-over. Back to work.
    JMR

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    1. Re:SSN as National ID card (was:Re:Not Illegal) by Rufus88 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is illegal for the government to use the SSN for identification

      Really? The IRS is part of the government, and they use that number to identify me. What exactly are the "social security and tax purposes" that it could POSSIBLY be used for, OTHER than identification?

      Actually, I thought it was the card itself that wasn't supposed to be used for identification. I.e., you can't walk into airport security, flash 'em your SS card, and say, "I'm John Doe, here's my ID".

    2. Re:SSN as National ID card (was:Re:Not Illegal) by Politburo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, it is illegal in some jurisdictions to remove that tag if you're not the ultimate consumer. I believe it is mostly California that has lead this effort (These tags usually reference Califonia statutes). Read the damn thing before you spout off next time.

  39. Flamebait? Re:I worked on this project... by hacksoncode · · Score: 3, Informative
    Hmmm. If I got modded flamebait I must have given the impression that I was just being flip.

    No, I really do think it's nearly the perfect example of the dangers of righteousness.

    The Grand Experiment in this case was apparently perceived as vastly more "important" than the individual privacy and even *lives* of actual living people. This is quite typical of people who are out to "save the world". It's a form of "the ends justify the means" thinking. I call bullshit.

    BTW, in case it wasn't obvious: this isn't a liberal vs. conservative thing. Anti-abortionists have the same damn problem.

    This is all assuming, of course, that the parent of my original comment wasn't itself flamebait :-).

  40. Re:suprising... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Especially considering that the data that was lost belongs to the state."

    Seems like the data on each individual should BELONG to the individual....

    Shouldn't you own your own data, and be able to say who does what with it?

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  41. Read the Social Security Number FAQ by 14erCleaner · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The best source for information on SSN privacy, your rights, and how to protect yourself, is the Social Security Number FAQ. Read it, it's very useful.

    The law that the previous poster thinks is protecting him is probably the Privacy Act of 1974, which is only binding on government agencies. It's discussed in the FAQ.

    There is also a SSN FAQ at cpsr.org, but it formats like crap on Mozilla. You'd think "computer professionals" wouldn't screw up something like this.

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  42. Re:SSN should be public by sexylicious · · Score: 2, Informative

    By law, the only places that can receive your SSN are government offices, employers, banks and landlords. Anyone else can't deny you any of their services based on you not giving them your SSN. I think banks and landlords are the ones that are most limited in what they can use the number for. Government and employers use the number for taxes and for government to turn you into a number (for medical benefits, social security payments, and so on). No one else has the right to ask for it.

    Oh people will bitch and moan about not getting it from you. But who the hell at CompUSA needs your SSN?
    And if a non-government or non-employer needs to verify that you are who you say you are, they can ask for your driver's license number. But the SSN is off limits to everyone else.

    At least this is what my employer told me when I got hired (us government). They instructed me to safeguard my SSN as best I can, which includes not giving it to people that legally don't have a right to it. As they put it, 99% of the identity theft issues are from people giving their SSNs to folks or organizations that don't actually need it. And then those organizations don't know what a secure system is. To be honest, I'd rather have my SSN and other personal info stored on a DoD, DoJ, or whatever agency system, than on the computers at Joe Blow's Car Sales.

  43. A Similar Situation For Me by jen0r · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I applied for San Diego State University way back in 1998 when I was initially trying to find a school to attend. About 4 months ago I got a notice in the mail saying that Hackers had gained access to the data base that held all of the applicant information (drivers license, SSN, financial awards, PARENTS SSN's, etc.) and that we should all obtain a copy of our credit reports and report any suspicious activity. This apparantly happened in February of this year and I received a message in June notifying me. To be honest, I think it's pretty stupid to keep names and SSN's in a database that is linked to a network. It doesn't seem right, and now I have to worry about Identity Theft because I applied to a University 6 years ago.

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  44. Re:Some states disallow using SSN as student ID by Tassach · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yeah, we really need the government telling DBAs what to use as their primary key.
    Any DBA who uses SSN as a primary key needs to be flogged with a CAT-5 cable. Privacy concerns aside, it's generally a bad idea to use any user-provided value as a PK because of the difficulty of guaranteeing uniqueness. People (intentionally or accidentally) enter bogus SSNs or refuse to give them, making it a poor choice as a required field, let alone a key.

    If you have SSN as a required field with a unique constraint or index, you're setting yourself up for a denial of service attack -- User1 enters a bogus SSN which happens to belong to User2. Now User2 is effectively locked out of the system -- he can't enter his (valid) SSN because of the key constraint violation, so he either has to give up or give a bogus value as well.

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  45. Re:Some states disallow using SSN as student ID by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any DBA who uses SSN as a primary key needs to be flogged with a CAT-5 cable.

    By her boss, maybe, but not by the government.

    Privacy concerns aside, it's generally a bad idea to use any user-provided value as a PK because of the difficulty of guaranteeing uniqueness.

    True, since there are at least some people out there with the same SSN.

    If you have SSN as a required field with a unique constraint or index, you're setting yourself up for a denial of service attack -- User1 enters a bogus SSN which happens to belong to User2. Now User2 is effectively locked out of the system -- he can't enter his (valid) SSN because of the key constraint violation, so he either has to give up or give a bogus value as well.

    Or you could just put the new account in a temporary table and have a human sort it out. It all depends on your application. If you're making a geocities site, OK. If the purpose of the database is to store company employees, then flagging identical SSNs is a feature, not a bug.