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Would John Kerry Defang the DMCA?
dave981 writes "Over at ZDNet, Declan McCullagh asks, 'Would John Kerry defang the DMCA?' Kerry's response: 'open to examining' whether to change current law 'to ensure that a person who lawfully obtains or receives a transmission of a digital work may back up a copy of it for archival purposes.' It's not clear, though, how serious Kerry truly is."
Are people seriously going to vote for the better candidate on copyrights and making backup copies of software? There seems to be more important issues like Iraq, health care, the economy, and terrorism to judge candidates for president. I know /. is full of nerds, but speaking as a nerd I don't vote like a nerd.
if he does defang the DCMA, maybe he can work on the patriot act as well.
No.
Don't Crease the Weasel!
That's not too bad, though. It means neither side has gotten to him yet. We have an opportunity to make a case.
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
It doesn't matter who wins the presidency. Nothing will happen. At first I was going to say that the president only signs laws. It's up to congress to change the law. But in the end, this is now the Corporate States of America. And no one in Washingon will ever get off the gravy train.
Disconnect your television. Do your own research. Draw your own conclusions. They're probably lying. Don't be a sheep.
He'll get around to that right after he and the Ambulance Chaser finish making the paralyzed rise up and walk, the deaf hear, the blind see, yada yada. He's campaigning, so he will promise whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear.
I didn't realize the president could simply wipe existing laws out of existance.
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Better known as 318230.
Using John Kerry's Senate voting history to say that he supported or opposed any given thing is like trying to upconvert a low-bitrate signal... you end up guessing to make data you don't really have.
For example, there never was a true vote "on the war". Congress has not ever even voted on an official decloration of war during recent years. What was actually voted on was permission to use the armed forces if things couldn't be resolved any other way. Kerry claims that Bush forgot about that if-clause and went to war too quickly.
This is a problem anybody who tries to advance from the legislative branch into the executive branch always faces. Legislators are always asked to vote on hundreds of things on the record, while the President and governors only have to consider the final versions that have cleared their legislature. It may seem like a flip-flop to vote yes "on" version A, but "no" on version B of the same bill, but versions A and B by definition cannot be the same thing. What such a voting record indicates is not that the person was opposed to the main concept of the whole bill and then changed their mind. It instead indcates that there was some flaw in version A that was fixed by the time version B came around so they could now support the bill.
Well, he's a Senator now. Since the Senate's one of two houses of Congress, and Congress makes the laws, it might be good to ask what Kerry's done -- if anything -- in Congress to change or even "examine" the DMCA.
The POTUS does not make laws, that's what Congress is for. This is simply propaganda. Like blaming a sitting president for deficit spending when the Congress is the one with the power to spend.
Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
that kerry is known to say whatever will please the audience and go back on it later if he is in front of another crowd. For example, when among homosexuals, he talks about homosexual marriage but will never mention that in a black church or among blacks in general and people make sure no one asks about it. The same goes for his position on the war. Among anti-war groups, he is anti-war among more main stream people he is a moderate. Gievn his history, he will not do anything about the DMCA. do you really think the movie actors and recording artists that have given millions to him in cash and campaign ads will accept that? Politicians always consider reelection. If Kerry weakens the position of his base, he will not be elected.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Amazing the right wing bull that gets injected into this... and yet we forget that CONGRESS PASSES THE LAWS.
Hello. Talk to your congressman. Preznits blow up countries. They don't pass laws.
"Jesus Tapdancing Christ, you can't get wider policy differences than you have this year."
Bush on marriage: "Marriage should be a union between a man and a woman."
Kerry on marriage: "Marriage should be a union between an man and a woman."
Bush on the price of oil: "We need to talk to our friends and allies in OPEC."
Kerry on the price of oil: "We need to talk to our friends and allies in OPEC."
Really, the list goes on, including some of what they say about Iraq. The differences between the two are mostly of the Purple vs. Green variety.
First of all, I agree with the guy who said that there are bigger issues this time around than geek issues.
But having said that, I don't understand why the parties stand where they do on this stuff. Hollywood people are huge Kerry supporters, so you'd expect him to be falling all over himself to do whtaever he could to help them out.
Bush, on the other hand, gets creamed by Hollywood types all the time. They donate tons of money to his opponents, do benefits, make statements on talk shows, etc. But Ashcroft is behaving pretty much like the industry's dream AG.
The only explanation for this that I can think of is that the candidates really believe what they say. The Republicans probably really do believe in the private property argument -- I imagine they find piracy deeply offensive.
I don't know -- it's always been a small thing that's puzzled me.
No, if he wanted to he could RIGHT NOW introduce a bill in the Senate to do it.
He has not. What does that tell you?
Take your suggested important issues of Health care. For a geek in his mid twenties I would think that the evolution of technology and how freely is can evolve would be of higher importance than Healt care. He is unlikely to get serious sick during next 40 years but for sure need to find a place/ environment where his technical talents can be used.
I will forego comment on the Iraq quagmire and how we go into this mess.
Help fight continental drift.
Bush is against X and legislates against X (including denying rights to Americans because he wants to bring religious morality back into the country). Kerry is against X as well but doesn't have any plans to do anything about it.
Or, to put it another way, Kerry doesn't personally believe in some things, but he doesn't necessarily think that his beliefs should be made the basis of the law of the land because other people should be allowed to believe differently from him. Bush wants his personal belief system to become the law of the land.
1) "Open to examining whether to change" does not imply "will advocate change".
2) "Changing" the DMCA doesn't necessarily mean "changing it in the way that geeks would like".
3) "Examining whether to change" can lead to the conclusion "no, it needs no changing" just as easily as its opposite.
4) "to ensure that a person who lawfully obtains or receives a transmission of a digital work may back up a copy of it for archival purposes" could be the first paragraph of the INDUCE act. After all, the INDUCE act was spun as going after P2Pers, not those who were "lawfully making backups for archival purposes".
5) Finally, "lawfully obtains or [lawfully] receives transmission" -- leaves a lot of wiggle room. What if "Lawfully" means "in accordance with every term of the EULA under which it was sold?"
Conclusion: Kerry's got no intention of asking Congress to weaken the DMCA; he's pandering for every vote he can get in the home stretch of a tightly-contested Presidential race.
That's not a partisan slur -- both parties are bought and paid for by Hollywood, and you can bet your eighth bit that no matter who wins in November, any "changes" to the DMCA in the next four years will be to Hollywood's benefit, not yours.
between having one-on-one discussions with North Korea and having a six-on-one discussion involving the most powerful nations surrounding NK (who just happen to have a more vested interest in the situation than we do), then he should probably stop writing about politics and stick to playing with technology toys.
1. He probably won't have control of Congress.
2. He is in the entertainment industry's back pocket like the rest of the Democrats.
Be real - he will do nothing about it.
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> Bush on marriage: "Marriage should be a union between a man and a woman."
> Kerry on marriage: "Marriage should be a union between an man and a woman."
Except everyone who actually follows politics knows there is a big difference. Democrats use the courts to pass policies they know they could never be elected by supporting. So while Kerry wouldn't say anything in support, he would happily sit by while activist judges (of the sort he would be appointing) rammed it down our throats. Just like with abortion. To this day there is zero chance Congress would vote to legalize abortion but Democrats depend on unelected Judges to do their dirty work for them. Bush on the other hand came out in support of taking the issue away from the courts and sends up strict constructionists who don't legislate from the bench.
As for oil, what else CAN we do. Kick their ass and take their gas? I know that is the popular myth among the Deanics for both Gulf Wars but it just ain't so. The Free Flow of Oil at Market Prices is what the Republicans fought for, and that is what we have. The uncertainty in the Middle East, political instability in Migeria and China's newfound appitite for oil has put a premium on oil prices.
> mostly of the Purple vs. Green variety
Excellent B5 episode, but the analogy doesn't fit.
Democrat delenda est
But at least having opposite parties in control of the legislative and executive branches would prevent either of them from screwing things up more than they are now. It's probably too much to hope for that they'd actually work together to try to fix things.
Don't blame me; I'm never given mod points.
all from the land of tv, movies, cd's? The only question is how much *more* restrictive things would be under Kerry.
The president wants a bill introduced? Make a phone call.
The point is, Kerry doesn't have to make a phone call, he's a Senator - that means he can start a bill any time he wants, and has he started or supported any bills that are important to you?
If he has, and you think that he will continue to do so, then by all means - vote for him. If, however, you review his history and find that he has instead done nothing or voted against issues important to you - vote for someone else.
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Oh please. Look, you have to get your head out of the sand ostrich-man. Saddam was a mass murderer. Look at how many graves they have uncovered. That right there is enough for me to condone what we did. That kind of stuff is just not something the 21st century should put up with.
It's either on the beat or off the beat, it's that easy.
I moderate therefore I rule!
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Bush might be an idiot on a lot of issues, but on that one issue he 'gets it' and more importantly has the right ideas about how to win.
Really? Like start a war with a nation that doesn't have radical Islamics running the nation, so it can be replaced by a group of radical Islamics?
Right, but he voted for it before voting against it.
Kerry is impressionable, and agrees with anyone for 10 minutes after they have made their point. It's clear from his "positions" that he is devoid of core principles.
I'm not saying he's a bad guy. Being able to hear both sides of an argument is important for someone whose job consists of spouting off at the mouth for hours on end (ie senator).
I'd rather someone who can make a decision, even an unpopular one, than someone who will say whatever you want to hear.
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Here's the financial implications of the DMCA as far as the candidates are concerned.
Contributions by Industry from TV/Movies/Music:
Republicans: $2,782,125
Democrats: $3,431,236
So while Kerry wouldn't say anything in support, he would happily sit by while activist judges (of the sort he would be appointing) rammed it down our throats.
If Bush is re-elected and the time comes to put new Justices on the Supreme Court what is he going to do? He's going to put judges on their that are sympathetic to his (not his party's) own personal goal of bringing religious morality back into this country.
I'm sorry but they are both worthless assholes. Bush has a political+relgious agenda while Kerry doesn't have much of anything.
Personally I believe that seperation of church and state is important. He calls them morals and I call it religion. Symantics... DO NOT SHOVE YOUR RELGIOUS VALUES DOWN MY FUCKING THROAT.
We built the cage, invited the opponent, gave them the weapons, and said "Come get some"
It's funny that you say we are in a battle for world supremacy with a bunch of 3rd world zealots who need to choose between walking or riding a camel. I think that you've watched a bit too much Fox News Channel. Either way, you've drank the Kool Aid.
If you're 'resolved' and still wrong, it just makes you an arrogant and stubborn idiot.
The only people that see a tie between Iraq and Al-Quaeda(sp?) are Bush, Cheney, and their NeoCon cronies.
I think that few state legislatures at this point would pass a law fully outlawing abortion either. I think the most common opinion in suburbia (which is rather middle of the road on abortion) is that abortion is generally a bad thing. We should have less of it. Outlawing it entirely is going to far. Waiting periods, parental consent, no "partial-birth" abortions and forced distribution of standard pamphlets describing the risks of the procedure as well greatness of adoption are encourgaded.
In other words, they want to see the practice reduced and limited not abolished.
Of course probably 50% of the public is a die hard on either side.
Unless you have some solid proof that more people are harmed by gay marraige than a lack of it
Here's something no one seems to think about. If we find that the "man" and "woman" part of marriage is subject to change, then there is nothing to prevent people from making the same argument to "two".
I've seen an article by a Constitutional scholar (sorry I don't have a reference) that argues that we redefine marriage to include same-sex couples, then nothing can prevent the definition from being modified to include "more than two people."
Are you ready for polygamy? The funny thing is that there is no precedence in Western society for gay marriage, but there is for polygamy. Just look at the Old Testament.
Once we redefine marriage, it will be subject to (even more) abuse for economic reasons or for other benefits and will cease to have any real meaning. When marriage becomes meaningless, the family's disintegratation is hastened.
p.s. Abortion is easy: No abortion? One (in theory) harmed. Abortion? One harmed, one dead.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
The Supreme Court didn't "legalize abortion", it ruled that the states can't criminalize it. And the federal government has made no laws to criminalize it. The Republican Party these days attracts lots of people who aren't down with Constitutional Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people". They think that "the government grants you rights", not that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights". For all the Republican talk about deference to the "Creator", they insist on a government middleman to unalienate them from their rights.
Drop the "activist judges" and "legislate from the bench" buzzwords. Bush represents the "starve the beast" neocons who are discrediting (literally and figuratively) the US government, so corporations will resume the feudal predation on the people formerly pursued by hereditary dynasties (like the Bush family). Why you apologize for them is your own business, but don't expect the rest of us committed to freedom to buy it.
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Crap, my pastor had an excellent point here. What's embarrassing is that while the divorce rates for straight couples climb, we have an example of people fighting to be a family.
.5% and would be cast quickly. That said, I really couldn't care less.
If you stand for family values, you should encourage couples to make a stand and say that they're going to be together, as a familiy, for the long term.
As for polygamy, I don't think it's going happen. There's no push for it. It would probably poll at around
My marriage is great. I don't fear any redefinition of marriage by the state somehow harming or trivializing it. My marriage is a relationship between God my wife, and me. Anything the state does just affects my taxes.
It stuns me how religious people can get so riled up by the actions of a secular government permitting things. When the government tries to close your church, that's when to get pissed.
It is precisely this "them and us" mentality that causes problems. There is no battle for world supremacy going on. What is going on is that there are some radical Islamics out there (but not as many as most people would have us believe) who hate the West, and particularly the USA. In recent times the USA has not endeared itself to the Muslim parts of the world, but this will only be solved by diplomacy and constructive actions, not war and war-like "them and us" sentiments.
That kind of stuff is just not something the 21st century should put up with.
... no, sorry, they're on the protection list.
I agree. So, when are you going to North Korea? Hm? Perhaps some Christmas cleaning in Cuba? How about the dictatorship in Saudi Arab...
Congress' intent when creating the DMCA was two-fold:
They envisioned making it easier for legitimate, white-hat-wearing businesses to stop the violation of their copyrights. What they actually provided, of course, was "takedown", a sledgehammer a lawyer can use to swat a fly.
The "copyright managment information" Congress was most concerned about were things like holograms on jewel cases, but the wording of the law also include the text of copyright notices in programs, EULA wrappers, and so on.
Courts are becoming increasing sophisticated in how they interpret the DMCA in cases where it's invoked. I think as more and more people, including judges, get their information online instead of from the mainscam media, attitudes will change about what is "fair use" allowed by the DMCA and what falls under (what you'd think is the capital crime of) "piracy".
There is real tension that cuts across the lines between the Left and Right. On the left you have Hollywood wanting protection ("for the artists"), while civil libertarians want anarchy. On the right there is the limited government crowd, but also the capitalists. Probably it would be overstating it to say the tension within the two sides is greater than that between them, but I can't decide.
At any rate, I don't think either Bush or Kerry would do anything about it, but the courts probably will settle on good rules to curb the abuses of the takedown mess.
sigs, as if you care.
When you think about it, "something in place" is not a good excuse for voting for something that is patently in violation of their Oaths of Office (i.e. They swore to uphold the Constitution- voting on something that is concretely in violation of the same is NOT upholding it!). If it was flawed, they should have fixed the damn thing or tabled it permanantly.
I do not accept his rationale on this issue.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Isn't amazing that you can state these 'facts' without any resources and get modded up, and lucky you, you get to slide your opinion in there without anyone noticing!
If you want to know where they stand, go their websites, don't assume the parent is correct.
"I only speak the truth"
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It's pretty clear that your mind is made up, so don't think I'm trying to change your vote. However, I would encourage you to read up on the some of the misinformation shoved down our throats by both parties. FactCheck.org is an excellent resource--it was recommended by Cheney in the VP debate.
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I'm not sure where to even start responding. I'm pretty sure that during Kerry's tenure the Senate was controlled by Democrats more than half of the time.
So you're saying that if your party doesn't have a majority then you just stop working until they take control? I guess if Republicans maintain control of the house and Senate then you won't expect Kerry to do anything at all then either (which actually sounds like a great idea.)
He will appoint strict constructionists in the Rhenquist, Scalia and Thomas mold. They will interpret the Constituition and Laws as they exist instead of legislating their own beliefs from the bench. Which is what they are supposed to be doing.
No he won't. He doesn't want so called "activist judges" forcing issues to the Supreme Court. He wants to create Constitutional ammedments to outright ban AMERICAN CITIZENS THE RIGHTS THEY DESERVE because he personally disagrees. That's bullshit.
Actually, most Republicans agree with his moral positions. But only Democrats want judges legislating ANY morality from the bench. All we want is judges who WON'T impose their morals. And if we could get a few who could read that would be just peachy. How hard is "Congress shall pass no law...." or "...shall not be infringed." to understand!
Excuse me, I used Republicans in place of NEW AGED GOP. Sorry for making that error. I forgot that since Bush took office the Republican party has made a 180 turn for the worse.
The New Aged GOP is into removing seperation of Church and State while the rest of us *REAL* Republicans are interested in ending the governmental tyranny that Bush has created.
I bet those radical Islamists are happy about the 350 tons of high explosives that the Bush administration let them have. It's like there's a steel cage deathmatch and our guy is Pee Wee Herman. God help us if the radical islamists are given another four years of the Bush administration "protecting us" like this.
are the american people so stupid that they`ll fall for anything with a catchy sounding sequence of letters for a name?
Examples : P.A.T.R.I.O.T. , S.T.O.P. , I.N.D.U.C.E. etc etc.
(ps) For those that dont quite realise what an acronym is ( im guessing Bush + Co and a moderate chunk of their supporters ) - look hereIm sure a word is thought up, and the words describing what the new law is about are fitted around it.
Kerry might be the lesser of two evils but make no mistake he is just as in bed with the media corporations as anyone else. Hes just covering his ass on that response - he can't say "i'll abolish it" and he doesnt want to loose voters by saying he won't. Unless something is done about the dire state of bribery in America theres no hope of anything but token gestures and theres little hope of showing European governments they can't get away with this either.
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Kerry on terrorism: We need to get France and Germany involved and put them in jail.
"The president took his eye off the terrorists. I will stop at nothing to kill the terrorists before they kill us, and to prevent other terrorist acts from taking place," Kerry said.
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What authority does he have to do that?
It's not like he's going to send troops into Russia without Putin's permission. Russia needs help securing it's nuclear weapons, and it's in the best interests of both Russia and the United States to cooperate in this regard. Remember, the Russians are quite frightened about terrorism too, given the recent events with Chechnya. It's a cooperative venture that's long overdue, and very important.
He talks about how we don't have our allies for the war, when in reality, we do have allies, althoguh we are missing some nations
He's right. We don't have *our* allies. We have some allies, but they're not *our* allies. Our allies are the NATO countries, not semi-dictatorships like Pakistan. Our "alliance" is stupid from a military standpoint alone. Why spend billions of dollars to ally yourselves with countries that cannot field the manpower of a single US state? At *best*, it's a strategic mistake, and at worst it's a misleading PR stunt.
I know I wouldnt be all to happy to help Kerry if I was a US ally and he kept saying I did not exist.
You probably wouldn't be happy to be an ally, like the Prime Minister of Poland, who now thinks Bush mislead us into the war.
Kerry talks about creating laws as president, although in reality this is his job as a senator
Kerry nevers talks about creating laws. I don't know where you got that idea. He *does* talk about pushing through legislation, which is perfectly within his powers as president. The President has a lot of influence to encourage (or discourage) certain legislation in Congress. He also talks a lot about allocation of government spending, which is also in his power, given that the OMB (part of the Whitehouse) drafts the budget.
and he STICKS with the decision that he makes.
Sticking with bad decisions is a sign of weakness, not a sign of strength. The information about Iraq has changed drastically since we went in. Bush thought Iraq had WMD, they didn't. Bush thought they were cooperating with terrorists, they weren't. Iraq, as far as two-bit dictatorships go, was less of an immediate danger to us than any of a number of countries. The only excuse Bush has left is that "we freed the people of Iraq." Well, guess what? That's not our job! The only reason Bush still says he wouldn't have done anything different is because he isn't man enough to admit he was wrong.
"While you may not agree with Bush's decision, but you must agree that he has the ability to make a decision"
Yes, I agree that Bush has the ability to make decisions. Of course, so does everyone else. That's nothing special. It takes a real man to know when to change his mind. To quote Santayana: "a fanatic is one who, having lost sight of his aim, redoubles his effort". The world is complicated --- you get no credit for trying hard!
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
That is nothing more than a wasted vate...you know neither one has a chance in hell so why not use your vote for the lesser evil?
what?
That goes double for the lefties amongst you who are going to vote for Nader. Kerry isn't going to turn your country into the leftie paradise you dream of, sure. But at least the bloke isn't a messianic, militaristic moron who sends thousands of soldiers off to die to settle a family vendetta...
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Do you ever get the feeling that our country has been through this kind of thing before?
Civil rights was rammed down America's throat, too. It wasn't the executive or legislative branch paving the way--it was the judicial branch. Without those "activist judges" going against the mainstream American values of the day, there's a very real chance that you'd see a "whites only" sign hanging in the window of your local Starbucks. Which was right--the judgement of the activist courts, or the will of the American mainstream?
This kind of thing is exactly why we have a judicial branch. Fundamental human rights aren't open to debate on the grounds of "what the majority is comfortable with". The founders were keenly aware of the "tyrrany of the majority", and they went to great lengths to keep the majority from trampling the rights of the minority. One of these safeguards is the judicial branch of the federal government.
Over the years, the American mainstream has maintained that blacks are worth 3/5 of a human being, that women are property, that the Irish are a race of sub-humans, that it is perfectly appropriate to sell and purchase human beings, that marrying an individual of the wrong race was a capital offense, and that Indians either needed to move out of our way or be killed. Today, the American mainstream believes that gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to marry those they love--or even enter into civil unions, for that matter. Occasionally, the Legislature or the Executive will take it upon themselves to right these wrongs. In most cases, though, it's the Judicial branch that steps in and upholds the individual's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Be thankful that our highest court is not subject to the whim and fancy of American mainstream thought.
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" Saddam was a mass murderer. Look at how many graves they have uncovered. That right there is enough for me to condone what we did. That kind of stuff is just not something the 21st century should put up with."
Where were you when those graves were being dug up? Where was bush? Where was runsfeld, perle, cheney and the rest of the war mongers? When amnesty international was publishing it's list of atrocities in Iraq did you join them, did you give them money? Or did you mock them for being liberal faggots.
I am touched by your newfound love of the iraqi people, I really am. If only with people like you cared about the iraqis before 9/11. Like maybe in the 1980s when Saddam was gassing the kurds or when saddam was putting doen the Shia. Maybe even when the UN sanctions were starving hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad back then you didn't give a fuck about the iraqis back then. Back then they were just another set of ragheads.
Now that you love the iraqis so much maybe you can learn to love other people was well. People in Uganda, sudan, haiti, iran, north korea, china, russia, chechnia, and palestine all need your love. Please love these people as much as you love the iraqis. They too need help from brutal dictators, widespread disease, famine, starvation and genocide.
I suppose one could argue that these people probably deserved freedom before the iraqis even but I am not going to nitpick. I don't want to diminish your newfound love of the opressed peoples of the world. I want to celepbrate it with you.
You are right, these kinds of things are just not something the 21st century should put up with. Only if we had a president that was comitted to ending opression everywhere in the world.
evil is as evil does
Funny to say, Hussein was oppressing the country's religious right: The type of Islamic Fundamentalists that are more interested in killing Americans.
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Come on... And the US has never done anything similar by "state-sponsored terrorism"? Where did Iraq get its weapons to fight Iran? Where did Al Qaeda get weapons to fight the Soviets?
Go read a Chomsky book.
My point exactly. He has voted in favor of a lot of good bills, which have passed, and do make him a great Senator (although his attendance record is probably the worst in Senate). But what has *he* created, what ideas where his own, what has he personally started which benefited this country? The above list is *the* complete list of his *own* ideas. John Kerry's voting record is that of a follower, not a leader.
Here was my souce, which I forgot in the parent... http://factcheck.org/article282.html
Oh, those sneaky Dems! They must be really clever to get the courts to do their bidding, considering that most judges have been appointed by Republicans.
Just to review, of the 9 Supreme Court justices, 1 was appointed by Ford(R), 4 by Reagan(R), 2 by Bush1(R), and 2 by Cinton(D). So the 7-2 Republican court is doing the Dems dirty work.
This is a matter of opinion. People with a Pro-Life position aren't necessarily concerned with what women do with their bodies. They are concerned about what they do to the body of the person they are carrying.
It's an easy issue to spin to fit your own beliefs.
Yeah, yeah, Anonymous gibbering Coward - that "states rights" mumbo jumbo was floated in the 1950s, to justify Southern guardsment beating the crap out of African Americans crossing color lines to pursue education, voting and property rights, in exactly the same losing battle. Since you're too lazy to click the link, read or understand the simple words of Amendment X:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
State abortion laws were a conflict between the states and the people. The judges clearly saw the precedence of the people in controlling their own bodies, rather than the states. Which would you choose, Anonymous propagandist Coward? Do you sell your body to the corporation, or do you buy them?
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You know before you commit billions of dollars and thousands of lives you think you would get your reasons for going to war down pat.
Did Bush say we are going to invade Iraq due to human rights violations? We invaded for the wrong reasons and then started looking around for excuses. Why did we not act when the pictures of Kurdish mothers with children in their arms laying dead in the streets were first ciculated?
Toward the end of Gulf War 1 Bush senior came out and vocally encouraged an Iraqi uprising stating that the US would support them - which they did and we did not. This event is one of the reasons for some of those mass graves we are now investigating.
In recent times the USA has not endeared itself to the Muslim parts of the world, but this will only be solved by diplomacy and constructive actions, not war and war-like "them and us" sentiments.
I see this a lot, and I can only guess that you've never actually spent some time reading what bin Laden and the rest of them have to say.
Let's go down the short list of things that bin Laden doesn't care about:
bin Laden has made it perfectly clear that he hates America because it is overtly "godless" and evil. He's saying this from a Muslim point of view. Imagine if you knew America only through the movies and other trash that we export, you might feel differently, too.
On top of that, he has a gripe that the soldiers of this "godless" nation are hanging out in his holy land, Saudi Arabia, along with a bunch of other foreigners working in the oil industry. He doesn't think that non-Muslims should be there.
There is no amount of "dialog" that will change that. On the other hand, capturing and killing their commanders has had a positive influence.
On a side note: I honestly can't believe people are still dumb enough to advance these arguments about how we need diplomacy. Seriously. Ask the Spanish. They capitulated after the 3/11 attacks, and yet last week they arrested a terrorist cell that was planning on blowing up their supreme court. You're not dealing with rational people.
I agree that the US has done some really dumb stuff, and it would help our position immensely on the "Arab street" if we were to deal fairly in the Israel/Palestine situation. I also have a problem with the fact that democracy is only to be forced on the victims of our enemies, but doesn't seem to be a priority for the people of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, etc.
Regardless, this isn't pushing al Qaeda.
Do you have ESP?
Oh goody. I seem to remember we had a nice puppet^H^H^H^H^H^H ally in that area before. Things turned out really well in Iran, didn't they?
And you're assuming Iraq ever does stabilise, of course.
Don't you hate meta-sigs?
Disclaimer: I'm an independent and don't think a whole lot of Kerry. I'm mystified at this whole "conviction" thing. Convictions don't mean shit when they are for the wrong reasons. Iraq was wrong, I'm not a pacifist, just realize that they were poor and not as much of a threat as they were made to be. The world had no problem with us routing the Taliban. Iraq has made us worse off. I know several people personally that travel abroad and there jobs have gotten much harder because when people realize they are American they cool down to them. Bush may be a decisive leader but he doesn't make good decisions.
You're so committed to morality that you're defending exactly the issue that keeps abortion political rather than medical. Your blind faith in the politicians who decide that mothers' lives (and the fathers', too) are irrelevant in bringing untenable pregnancies to term keeps us from protecting both parties to this public health problem. Your morality probably commits you to Bush's "abstinence" programs that have managed the first rise in American abortions after a decade of decline.
BTW, the Kennedy appointed only two justices to the Supreme Court, and only one, Byron White, was on the _Roe v. Wade_ bench. And comparing an assassinated president, his assassinated presidential candiate brother, their Senator father and a few congressmember nephews, to a president, his senator father, his president son, and congressmembers to come, is hardly a fair comparison. Of course, with faith ruling your brain rather than logic, you can't understand those differences, or the difference between decriminalization and legalization. Never let the facts get in the way of a good political tool for dividing people from their rights.
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I want to CHANGE things. The only way to change things is to do something different.
If we kept doing the same things every four years (vote for the lesser evil) then we should never expect the situation to get better.
Here are the reasons NOT to vote for the lesser evil.
I'm 27 now. I will get a chance to vote (and change things) every four years. If I live to 100 (not unlikely), that's 18 more elections. 18 chances to change something in my lifetime.
Every election that comes around, I try to convince more people to vote their conscience. It can only go up, because as it stands most people vote for the lesser evil. If only 50% of the population vote, and only 26% are needed to elect a president, then it only takes me convincing one out of four people to radically change the process, if those people also go out and try to induce change.
It ONLY takes 25% of the population to permanently change the institution. That's because only 50% vote right now. If even 10% voted their conscience, that would mean Democratic and Republican candidates would have to fight, and differentiate, to win.
And a last question for you: Since when has voting for a lesser evil actually done any GOOD? Here's counter cynicism for you:
We are screwed regardless of whether Kerry or Bush wins. With that stipulation, then, it doesn't MATTER if Bush OR Kerry wins. If that is true, and voting third party allows Bush OR Kerry (it doesn't matter which), at least you've registered your vote.
If instead you vote for Bush or Kerry, you are only propogating the institution.
My logic only works if you acknowledge that we are screwed regardless if Bush or Kerry win, and as such voting for either is actually useless.
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is not that he's flip flopping, but that if you're sufficiently nuanced in your argument, the American people tune you out. Have you actually read his speech in the Senate on the Iraq war vote? Or on the funding? His position was very clear then, and it has not changed. He said very clearly that he was voting to give the President war powers only if inspections broke down and only with the help of our allies. Now, perhaps he should not have voted for it at all, but that is not the issue here. He did not "flip flop" or change positions; today he says the same thing about Iraq. It's just a little more nuanced than "for" or "against," so you have to actually use your brain a little to figure out his position. A lot of us (Americans) don't like to have to do that.
for the fact that none of the things that the Bush campain has characterized as flip-flops were anything of the sort. Concider Iraq. Prior to the first Iraqi war Kerry opposed because we had not exhausted all diplomatic measures. Before the second Iraqi war he gave the president authority to use force provided that he first exhaust all diplomatic measures. And now after the war, he is still saying that we should not have gone to war until we had exhausted all diplomatic measures. The only reason that he "voted for the second war", and against the first, is that what they were actually voting (not the war directly) was very different. In fact several republicans have flat out said that that piece of legislation was intentionally crafted in a way that regardless of how someone opposing the war voted, it could be used against them in the next election.
You just have to listen to Kerrys speeches over the last 30 years and see that he has had the exact same position on war ever since he returned from Vietnam - that war is sometimes necisarry but we should never again send out troops to battle until we are certain that there is no other option.
This whole flip-flop garbage is nothing more than a FUD campain started by Karl Rove - one in a long line of FUD campains which he is a master of. There are a lot of legitimate reason to dislike Kerry as a candidate and I respect those who cannot vote for him because of fundemental disagreements on the role of government. But I find it deeply distubing how many of my otherwise intellegent friends are basing their entire opinion of Kerry on the Bush campains' FUD.
Then again, it doesn't help that the people running Kerry's campain are incompetant. They won't let him explain his full position, because of his history of getting into long drawn out discussions that bore the public, and create more words that can be twisted and taken out of context, so they try to boil it down to sound bites. Well that might work for someone like Bush whose opinions are mostly ideological in nature, but for someone like Kerry it makes it sound like he is avoiding the question.
And it isn't hard to craft a simple explaination either, for example: "When you the people of the United States vote an official into office you give him the power necisarry to do his job. If he abuses that power, and does not live up to the promises he made, you are rightly angry. It is not a flip-flop to be state the fact that your trust was abused.
I voted to give the President the power to use force in Iraq if all other options were exhausted. I did this because this president, any president, would need that power to effectively negotiate at the UN. But this president abused that power and rushed into war. My opinion on this war has never changed, but my trust in this Comander in Chief has."
In this (DCMA) situation, he is not flip flopping but rather refusing to take a position, which both candidates do when they do not concider the subject to be important, but are afraid of alienating voters.
I'd really like to know when "Republican" came to equal "anti-Constitutional Revisionist". I know this is a troll, but I'm legitimately interested in hearing the answer.
Why is the "conservative" party so interested in rewriting the Constitution every time Frank and Bill hold hands? Why is it that the "conservatives" are so panic-stricken when the founding principles of the nation are upheld - such as the separation of Church and State? White people didn't come to North America for the scenery.
As a person who has participated in the apparently dangerous, treacherous act of reading a few books in his lifetime, I find it truly shocking that I'm voting for the "liberal" party in hopes of getting a government that sticks to its founding principles instead of redefining the whole operation every time two guys decide to live their lives together. I mean man alive, we are the global superpower and you're worried about butt sex.
So yeah, this is a troll and I won't apologize. I'd love to hear the answer anyway.
And just so there aren't any assumptions - I'm not gay, I don't have any friends or family members that are gay, I don't even particularly like gay people. I do find it incredibly insulting that my government is screwing around worrying about what gay people are doing while millions of people have real problems.
He's saying that the Ba'ath party was NOT the party of radical islamists. It was about as close to a secular party as one could get within the middle east.
. . . in fact, Iraq was the ONLY predominantly arab country that had not outlawed Christians.
In Fact, Tariq Aziz, Saddam's public mouthpiece, was the administrations "Token Christian".
In Fact, since the invasion, life for Iraqi Christians has become much much more difficult, as Kurdish fighters have occupied predominantly Christian cities, expelling Christians, forcing them into refugee camps or simply out into the wilderness.
In Fact, the official party platform of Sadr's party contains language that would outlaw Christianity - the US (we do not negotiate with Terrorists) has negotiated with Sadr, to allow him to run for office (despite the murder charges against him) - in exchange for laying down arms in Najaf (of course, his fighters just hopped in their trucks and drove to Baghdad and Mosul).
Those on the far right who would like to think of this war as a war of Christiandom against Radical Islam seem to be blind to these facts.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
I agree Bush is a man of conviction. His convictions boil down to "me first." He is a member of a ruthless group of unprincipled opportunists who want to impose a radical agenda on this country. They are actively hostile to democracy. Their policy on the environment is somewhere between indifference and apathy. Their concept of social responsibility is identical to that of Jacob Marley.
If you believe that this country should exist for the exclusive benefit of a rapacious elite at the expense of the mass of the people, then your beliefs are in line with the current administration. It is a pity that our elders and betters do NOT know what is best. The number of cliffs upon which our species is precariously situated demands that thinking people reject the tyranny of the elites. The real shame of this election is that we are unable to field a better candidate to defeat Bush than Kerry.
Kerry cannot be a worse alternative than Bush currently is. The binary nature of American politics demands we either stay, or bet.
I've seen 4 years staying the course. Betting for change seems to be a sure thing to me at this point.
Kerry in a landslide.
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It's quite relevant, because it means that Kerry's Yea vote contains no information. It says nothing about Kerry as a person, because it does nothing to distinguish him from anybody else in the Senate.
That contains plenty of information. The fact that everybody in the Senate voted for the DMCA (and almost everybody voted for Patriot) leads us to the obvious conclusion that most of the Senate consists of a bunch of shitheads. Since Kerry voted "yes", we can conclude that he is also a shithead.
"He's no worse than all the other Senators" is damning with incredibly faint praise.
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On a side note: I honestly can't believe people are still dumb enough to advance these arguments about how we need diplomacy. Seriously. Ask the Spanish. They capitulated after the 3/11 attacks, and yet last week they arrested a terrorist cell that was planning on blowing up their supreme court. You're not dealing with rational people.
Mother of all flip-flops! How is this possible? On the one hand, they capitulated, and on the other hand, they busted up a terror cell. If that can happen, I can almost believe that as President, Kerry would actually go after terrorists too!
Kerry has never said we should attempt to negotiate or reach a diplomatic accord with Al-Qaeda. What he has said is that we should negotiate and use diplomacy with the rest of the civilized world to coordinate the most effective response to Al-Qaeda.
You might call it the the difference between going it alone and rounding up a posse. I don't know about you, but given any fight, I'd rather have backup.
And for the record, Spain did not "capitulate" after the 3/11 attacks. They still held their democratic elections. And the ruling nationalist party lost. One of the reasons was their crappy handling of the Madrid bombing, which they (with no evidence) first tried to blame on ETA, and then tried to suppress information that it was indeed foreign terrorists.
Of course the Nationalists were very unpopular for getting Spain involved in Iraq in the first place, something like 90% of Spain was opposed to going to war. So they may well have been on their way out regardless of what happened on 3/11.
So here's the deal: bin Laden is not someone you can negotiate with. Granted. But the House of Saud, Musharraf, Mubaraq, and even Khatami, those are people you can, to a greater or lesser degree, negotiate with.
And even if you can't use diplomacy in the Middle East, it will surely work in Europe, Asia, parts of South America, you know the whole goddam world except for a few crazy dogmatic motherfuckers. And that's why diplomacy is important. It's how people (who aren't ruled by dogma) iron out their differences and come up with a mutually agreeable plan.
"If the "religious" forces expressed half the love for babies that they do for foetuses, maybe I'd feel differently about this."
Correct:
Babies are not entitled to medical care, prenatal care, food or clothing under the current system. This is provided by parents that may or not be able to. To abolish abortion as one part in the Republican agenda and at the same time determine that people that don't have jobs are essentially worthless is not entirely honest especially if they are parents. What the Republican agenda purports to be freedom isn't worth much to those who the system has already failed.
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With Kerry no one can be sure that he says what he means and means what he syas.
Riiiiight, b/c you can believe that Bush says what he means and means what he says. I'm not saying Kerry is completely honest (it IS an election campaign, after all, not a process known for honesty), but seriously, look at the last 4 years. I'll admit that Bush has consistently said whatever he thought it would take to convince the public to support what he wants to do. Ignoring the hot-button issue of whether the war in Iraq is right or wrong, Bush has consistently developed new rationales for the war as the old ones proved false. "Iraq has ties to Al-Qaeda" Nope. "Iraq has WMDs" Nope. "Saddam was evil" Yes. But it is obvious that these were merely rationales for attacking, not reasons. What were the reasons? We don't know, Bush wouldn't tell us.
Another example is the tax cuts. Remember way back when the tax cuts were supposed to be a vehicle for returning the surpluses from Clinton back to the average American? Then when the surpluses didn't appear as predicted, and the economy actually hit a slump, tax cuts were the perfect vehicle for reviving the economy!! Again, Bush obviously wanted to pass tax cuts, and simply used whatever rationale current events suggested would best convince the public. Consistency, but not honesty.
I feel like the political situation in America right now is so profoundly delicate that it would be a bad idea for Kerry to tread in overly progressive areas such as this. He is competing against a campaign (not a candidate) that is positively masterful at putting spin on things. If he were to openly propose or support the removal of legislation like the DMCA, I feel as though his opponents would have no trouble selling really ominous sounding lies to people about how he has no respect for capitalism. Right now, the people whose votes we need would lap that kind of shit up.
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Ugh, it sometimes seems like the election process is the kind of choice we get when we choose vanilla or French vanilla. Is one much better than the other?
I am an American. As such I've been told many times, many ways, that I live in the greatest and most free country in the world. I'm not really buying it any more than I buy the belief that Ford is indeed superior to Chevrolet. But when I see the choices, I mean the bona fide choices, that we are given to vote for for President, I don't buy the arguments. Are these two really the best people in the country to hold the office?
The whole process is not much more than a sales pitch for white bread. When it comes down to the taste test, what is better Wonder or Tastee? I can't tell much of a difference. But it is what it is and we are stuck with it.
We are rich and powerfull nation. We can exert out influenence on almost anyone anywhere. Face it, if we don't like someone our president can sic our military on them and we are all but assured of victory. Isn't that really what happened in Iraq?
In the past four years, we have seen our freedoms eroded with things like the DCMA and the Patriot Act. If Bush is elected we are in for more of the same. If Kerry is elected, do we really expect to see much change? I don't, not really. Perhaps, but just perhaps, he is the lesser of two evils.
Is that any way to vote? To pick the lesser of two evils? Is this what makes America great? I sure as hell don't think so. There has to be a better way. The system we have may have made a hell of a lot of sense two hundred years ago when representation meant an arduous journey of hundreds of miles. But today, with the technology we have, every person who cares could actually be self-representing.
Change comes slowly to established machines like American politics. I recognise and understand that. Hell, I'd even say that is a good thing - that it changes slowly. But there comes a time where a catalyist exists and changes can be sudden. Like the end of communisim in the USSR and the taking down of the Berlin wall. Then change can come suddenly.
An idea occured to me that maybe we just don't see this kind of event coming. Maybe the electronic voting machines are the key to the ignition of change? I'm really just rambling now, but what I am saying is that we need REAL CHANGE not just a slight step from center but a full on change of course! We have the means - but do we have the courage or do we need some sort of catayist to kick us out of idle and into gear?
I'm not preaching revolution here. Really, I'm not. I'm just trying to say that our form of government is out dated and in need of serious change and that to me, the time seems right for something to happen.
Will we be the generation to do it? Frankly, I hope so. But we have to come up with better choices than we have on the ballot this year.
I can break this down into three possibilities:
- The freedoms we think are important actually don't matter, or
- We are somehow failing to properly communicate with our politicians, or
- We have no power
So which is it? Maybe we should have a vote?fish and pipes
wow, only 10 years between changes of opinion. It's not like China's changed at all in the last 9 years, and it's certainly not like or ability to control and treat AIDS has changed since 1993.
You may as well have said the US is flip flopping because first they funded Osama Bin Laden and his gurella warfare and now they are against it.