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Thunderbird 0.9 Released
Simon (S2) writes "Thunderbird 0.9 is now available for download! New features include Saved Search Folders (aka Virtual Folders) which allow you to display messages based on previously set search criteria across multiple folders. Message Grouping allows you to organize e-mail in a folder by grouping them based on various attributes like Date, Sender, Label, etc. Thunderbird 0.9 also includes numerous bug fixes and other improvements. For more information, see the release notes. Builds can be found on the mozilla.org FTP server or in the release notes above."
The Mozilla Foundation has been really doing a fantastic job with thinks like Mozilla, Firefox (and Camino!), Thunderbird, and the new multiplatform Sunbird calendaring client.
Kudos to the team both at the Foundation and in the open source community for turning out this first rate software!
A lot of the new features sound like they are implementations of those described in the version of Apple's Mail.app that is due to ship with Tiger. I wonder if this kind of thing will dissuade companies like Apple from announcing new features so far before they are ready for release.
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One of the most requested features I see is the ability to minimize to the system tray. Have the devs even mentioned this being a consideration?
I use Thunderbird, and I like it, but it drives me nuts having one more thing cluttering my taskbar when all I want it open for is to let me know when mail arrives.
I'd hate to assist in the clobbering of an FTP server -- I'm suprised such a popular software project (particularly one with not-so-small files) isn't using Bittorrent yet.
I'd like to be able to tag messages with meta-data (like "To Do" or "Mum's Birthday" or "Project 257") and then be able to produce searches based on that.
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I think Mozilla's servers can handle it just fine (they always have).
This is not to disparage Thunderbird or anything. Thunderbird is one of two mail user agents (MUA) I use regularly, the other being plain old mutt when I am connected to the home server using ssh.
The issue with Thunderbird is not functionality, but rather bloat. It takes up a lot of memory and is slow. Compared to for example, FireFox, on the same machine.
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I want a folder that can learn what sort of thing I want in it. Like the spam filtering, but not just junk. So I could drag credit card notices to my Bills folder a couple times and then have it just happen. When somebody smarter than me implements this, then I'll be a Thunderbird supporter.
I'm always a little uneasy about software that is in the pre-1.0 state. Can anyone speak to its reliablility?
Does anybody know of any 'big-scale' implementation of T-Bird? I use it at home sparingly since I find I use more and more web based email and a real decent email client is just not needed. I know Outlook (and others) has countless corporate implementations, and I am wondering if T-Bird has been used similarly. If so, how does it hold up? Anybody?
This is not a troll.
I use Outlook for my personal email, and I'm strongly considering changing my mail client. Other than the security benefits of not automatically running scripts when viewing messages, can anyone who has switched to Thunderbird tell me what other features make this client a preferred choice to Outlook?
I'll politely add that open-source isn't enough to compel me to change, nor is bayesian filtering (I already use SpamBayes).
Thanks for your help, and really, I'm not trying to fan any flames!
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There is, of course, an extension that adds this functionality: http://minimizetotray.mozdev.org/ Happy extending.
For all of use archiving our email for years, wouldn't it be nice to be able to file messages in a real database? YES!!!!
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I'd like to be able to label threads, and for it to automatically label any messages added to the thread. That way I can view my unread and be able to tell if I previously labelled the thread as important.
Any idea if this is possible or planned?
Not to be too curmudgeonly towards your kind offer, but I would much rather that the Thunderbird team themselves provided an "official" MSI package for download from their site along with md5 sums and a signature to check it against.
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People have been reporting problems with upgrading from 0.8 to 0.9. It seems like there may be a compatibility problem with older profiles that causes 0.9 to freeze. I think I may wait a while before upgrading since 0.8 works fine for me.
I use PowerMenu. It adds a few items to every window's title bar menu - minimize to tray, set transparency, set task priority and 'always on top'. I find it incredibly useful. hth ning
I have a gmail account and its great. But I still would love have a mail client with gmail like features.
Instead of folders, categorizing messages, so that a message can have multiply categories. I always hated using folders anyways and everything just ended up in my inbox.
The search is best part of gmail. How does searching in Thunderbird compare ?
I think the next important step for Thunderbird would be to allow it to be installed (via extensions and such) as a full PIM suite. Calendar, address book, etc. are features people look for, and if these were available, Thunderbird would start converting Outlook users at the same rate Firefox is converting IE users.
Adding in the existing Calendar extension would be a good start. Adding in connectivity to an standards-based open source groupware server would create the end-to-end solution we've been looking for all these years.
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Here's the obvious, but missing link to the Thunderbird homepage.
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the way Notes stores mail is a little different in concept to most other things, folders don't "contain" messages, messages exist in their own right in the database irrespective of what folders they might be in. It is perfectly valid for a message to exist without any folders including the message. Folders in Notes can have documents dragged into them which stores that association and you can get to the message through the folder. A saved search is what would be called a view in Notes, that is a folder which is based on a selection formula rather than manual fileing. It is perfectly valid also for one message to be shown in many many folders and views, but delete it from one it is deleted from all. Deleting a message is very different from removing it from a folder. Views and folders can also be categorised, this is basically the same thing as the group by feature. Notes views are indexed rather than calculated on the fly so I suspect they would be quicker for large mail files.
Notes of course isn't open source and you can only do limited view customisation without the design client, I do like the user interface for creating these saved searches, it is better than creating a private view in Notes.
This is a great open source mail notifier that will monitor as many Pop accounts as you like, at any interval you like, with preview and delete functionality while the email is still on the server. One button click will launch your favorite email client, so it's almost indistinguishable from having Thunderbird minimized to tray, and it uses less memory.
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The new View > Sort > Group By Sort (G)
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You'll have to download it to see what it does
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After installing Thunderbird 0.9 I get a lot of timeout errors :(
Uh, they served over 1 million copies of the Firefox preview in under 100 hours, I don't think Slashdot is really that big of a worry for them.
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The inspiration for this feature came from Usenet legend Kibo, who in the early 90's was grepping the Usenet spool so he could find and reply to every post that ever mentioned his name. Gnus (the Emacs newsreader) got this feature in 1995 under the name "nnkiboze" (other backends being nntp, nnmail, nnrss, nnslashdot etc).
Thunderbird lets you save by pressing Ctrl+S on a particular message, but it doesn't work when you have more than one message selected, and you can't use drag-and-drop either. And I haven't been able to figure out how to display the message in TB again (there's a File | Open Saved Message..., but it doesn't seem to do anything).
At least, filtering based on Body content.
.8, doesn't work in .9. In fact, when I go back and try to edit the filter to figure out why it's failing, Thunderbird has changed the Body check back to Subject and lost the condition check. This is highly annoying.
I'm on a mailing list that, due to its nature, must accept submissions from non-members and has a public address. Naturally, it gets swamped with spam. SpamAssassin catches most of it, but doesn't add headers or change the subject; instead, it politely sends a warning message (I believe report_safe is set to 1) and attaches the original message.
Since I have no headers to work from, I have to create filters based on body content. Simple enough, right? If it contains words foo bar baz, delete the message.
Except it doesn't work. Didn't work in
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One of the major annoyances my company is finding during our internal Thunderbird testing is this freakish behavior:
1) user gets email.
2) user replies to email, text wraps correctly.
3) user forwards email and the text does not wrap at all, but instead runs off the screen horizontally causing annoying readability issues.
Does anyone know why this is? It still appears to be in Thunderbird 0.9. I'm confused as to if it is a bug or by design. If it's a bug, it's kind of a big one. If it's by design, it's kind of a poor design and there should be an option or preference to have "reply" and "forward" act consistently.
Otherwise, Thunderbird ROCKS -- nice work Thunderbird developers. It's fast, free and just getting better and better with each release.
~jeff
p.s. Inline spell check would be nice
So is it better at importing Outlook address books? I'm trying to make it the standard mail app at work, but our support staff won't budge from Outlook unless we can succesfully import 500+ contacts into the Thunderbird address book - including all notes held in Outlook's address book.
(Mind you, even then it'll be an uphill task, despite the company having 14 Linux servers handling all our mission critical stuff, our tech. support guys are diehard Microsoft fans who are afraid of anything not by Microsoft!)
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What connection is there between receiving accounts and identities? At least sending servers are separated out, but if identities have a connection at all, it's as a folder preference: I might be subscribed to different mailing lists with different email addresses.
OK, it's definitely an improvement if you're switching from Outlook, but as linux user I have kmail...
Is it just me, or is gmail inspiring some of the new features ?
Looks like GMail is not so unique anymore.
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I love TB ( and FF ) but I will not upgrade until features are added that I absolutely must have.
It used to be that upgrading either of these wouldn't effect my plugins, but these days I have to redo all of my plugins after each install.
A major pain,... I will wait until a "must have" new feature comes out.
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just checked, thunderbird is taking 41,192K and firefox is taking 58,936K.
Of course I do have 5 inboxes, one of which has 413 messages and the other 327 (the other three all have less than 100 (72, 15, 0)). I have two separate windows open, and two tabs in one and 3 in the other.
What can I say, that doesn't seem too unreasonable. Note that explorer.exe is taking 16,368, and IEXPLORE.EXE with just slashdot takes 17,800 alone.
Is firefox lean? Maybe not as much as it could be, but it is pretty good. THe fact that it opens as fast or faster than IE without the same OS hooks? Bloody ingenious if you ask me.
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and they'd be unstoppable. Seriously, the main problem I have with Gmail is the inability to sort by subject. I'm subscribed to about 50 mailing lists, and I don't want to search for each of them individually to find the latest posts for a particular group. It's silly.
Uh, my TB has maxed out at 60572K today, and I'm just using it for one newsgroup and twenty-something RSS feeds. And why has the parent been modded troll? This is clearly an issue...
The last time I checked, Thunderbird did not allow me to use a different outgoing SMTP server based on the personna(reply-to) used.
This is a big problem these days because SPAM filters at the ISP block email where the reply-to address is not within the same domain as the sending SMTP server.
It's a must-have feature me to move to it.
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I think what you're seeing is related to "format=flowed" in the content-type header of sent messages:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Though this shouldn't force scrolling AFAIK, at least when I view it in T-Bird.
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Guys, this is the Mozilla section. I already deleted the Apple section from my frontpage because I'm tired of the ceaseless Apple marketing and rewriting of history by Apple fans. Making incorrect claims that open source projects are copying features from Apple, when the opposite is the case, are insulting and just make Apple look bad.
How about letting me read my local mailbox?? and Wouldn't it be GREAT to read root's mail in ThunderBird? For those of us who manage lots and lots of servers, it would be awsome to be able to read root mailboxes with a decent email program.
It should be noted that, if like me, you are a user of the mozilla calendar extention, you are hosed if you upgrade right now. Wait for the extention to catch up with the release build or be sorry.. like me. :(
You can, and have been able to for quite some time AFAIK. Under the server settings for the account in question, click the "Advanced" button and choose your SMTP server. Of course you need to have created the SMTP server at the SMTP server creation screen first.
It is possible in this new version to remove the "Local folders" ???
I just dont use it so DON'T want to have it on my screen.
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I'd really like to switch to Thunderbird...but I just can't give up the instantaneous searching capabilities that the LookOut add-in gives Outlook. I've gotten so used to being able to search my entire Gigabyte-sized Outlook archive in less than a second that I just can't bring myself to give it up, despite the cool features I'm seeing added to Thunderbird.
Anyone know of speedier search capabilities coming to Thunderbird anytime soon?
now if i could read my gmail and my email at the same time i'd be praising mozilla (even more [get firefox])
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