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Thunderbird 0.9 Released
Simon (S2) writes "Thunderbird 0.9 is now available for download! New features include Saved Search Folders (aka Virtual Folders) which allow you to display messages based on previously set search criteria across multiple folders. Message Grouping allows you to organize e-mail in a folder by grouping them based on various attributes like Date, Sender, Label, etc. Thunderbird 0.9 also includes numerous bug fixes and other improvements. For more information, see the release notes. Builds can be found on the mozilla.org FTP server or in the release notes above."
The Mozilla Foundation has been really doing a fantastic job with thinks like Mozilla, Firefox (and Camino!), Thunderbird, and the new multiplatform Sunbird calendaring client.
Kudos to the team both at the Foundation and in the open source community for turning out this first rate software!
A lot of the new features sound like they are implementations of those described in the version of Apple's Mail.app that is due to ship with Tiger. I wonder if this kind of thing will dissuade companies like Apple from announcing new features so far before they are ready for release.
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One of the most requested features I see is the ability to minimize to the system tray. Have the devs even mentioned this being a consideration?
I use Thunderbird, and I like it, but it drives me nuts having one more thing cluttering my taskbar when all I want it open for is to let me know when mail arrives.
I'd hate to assist in the clobbering of an FTP server -- I'm suprised such a popular software project (particularly one with not-so-small files) isn't using Bittorrent yet.
I will probably make an MSI package of it today... Anybody has a public tracker (Legal stuff only) on which I could share it ?
I'd like to be able to tag messages with meta-data (like "To Do" or "Mum's Birthday" or "Project 257") and then be able to produce searches based on that.
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I think Mozilla's servers can handle it just fine (they always have).
This is not to disparage Thunderbird or anything. Thunderbird is one of two mail user agents (MUA) I use regularly, the other being plain old mutt when I am connected to the home server using ssh.
The issue with Thunderbird is not functionality, but rather bloat. It takes up a lot of memory and is slow. Compared to for example, FireFox, on the same machine.
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I know, I felt so overwhelmingly happy that I beat Slashdot to it. On a whim. On a serious note though, I believe that Mozilla is beautiful, and if they can figure out how to get Thunderbird to interface with Exchange. All of us slaves to Outlook will be free!!
I want a folder that can learn what sort of thing I want in it. Like the spam filtering, but not just junk. So I could drag credit card notices to my Bills folder a couple times and then have it just happen. When somebody smarter than me implements this, then I'll be a Thunderbird supporter.
I'm always a little uneasy about software that is in the pre-1.0 state. Can anyone speak to its reliablility?
Does anybody know of any 'big-scale' implementation of T-Bird? I use it at home sparingly since I find I use more and more web based email and a real decent email client is just not needed. I know Outlook (and others) has countless corporate implementations, and I am wondering if T-Bird has been used similarly. If so, how does it hold up? Anybody?
I'm having a heckuva time getting the recent Thunderbird releases to work with my employer's Cyrus IMAP server. It's a pretty old version of Cyrus, and Thunderbird and it don't always talk well to each other. *crosses fingers*
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This is not a troll.
I use Outlook for my personal email, and I'm strongly considering changing my mail client. Other than the security benefits of not automatically running scripts when viewing messages, can anyone who has switched to Thunderbird tell me what other features make this client a preferred choice to Outlook?
I'll politely add that open-source isn't enough to compel me to change, nor is bayesian filtering (I already use SpamBayes).
Thanks for your help, and really, I'm not trying to fan any flames!
I'll create an amusing sig when I have something meaningful to post.
the last version of thunderbird (hmm! i uninstalled it so no idea what version it was but most probably 2 months old), used to create a lock on the imap server, can anyone confirm that problem or verify whether it has stopped doing that ... after move to firefox i was really looking forward to moving to thunderbird but the software was not realible enough.
Is filtering over imap supported ?
There is, of course, an extension that adds this functionality: http://minimizetotray.mozdev.org/ Happy extending.
Anyone who's messed around with multiple email clients, backups, and archives knows that you'll likely make a mess of your folder structure. Does Thunder have or plan to have a feature to delete duplicate emails?
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
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For all of use archiving our email for years, wouldn't it be nice to be able to file messages in a real database? YES!!!!
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I'd like to be able to label threads, and for it to automatically label any messages added to the thread. That way I can view my unread and be able to tell if I previously labelled the thread as important.
Any idea if this is possible or planned?
People have been reporting problems with upgrading from 0.8 to 0.9. It seems like there may be a compatibility problem with older profiles that causes 0.9 to freeze. I think I may wait a while before upgrading since 0.8 works fine for me.
I use PowerMenu. It adds a few items to every window's title bar menu - minimize to tray, set transparency, set task priority and 'always on top'. I find it incredibly useful. hth ning
...added a little tray icon that notifies you that there's new mail waiting? (I've selected "show alert" and it DOESN'T.. and I wouldn't want a messagebox anyway)
...done something about the horrible, extended disk thrashing that occurs whenever it's been minimized for a while? (My system: Win2k, 256mb RAM with usage at around 240, recent fresh install of Thunderbird with very few messages, and this never happens with FF or Outlook or Outlook Express)
phozz
I have a gmail account and its great. But I still would love have a mail client with gmail like features.
Instead of folders, categorizing messages, so that a message can have multiply categories. I always hated using folders anyways and everything just ended up in my inbox.
The search is best part of gmail. How does searching in Thunderbird compare ?
I think the next important step for Thunderbird would be to allow it to be installed (via extensions and such) as a full PIM suite. Calendar, address book, etc. are features people look for, and if these were available, Thunderbird would start converting Outlook users at the same rate Firefox is converting IE users.
Adding in the existing Calendar extension would be a good start. Adding in connectivity to an standards-based open source groupware server would create the end-to-end solution we've been looking for all these years.
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Great to hear! I was at a conference this week and ended up talking up Firefox/Thunderbird quite a bit. I can't imagine that MS ever thought that open source could be the threat that it has become.
Regards, Ian
Here's the obvious, but missing link to the Thunderbird homepage.
Note that Firefox 1.0RC2 was released today. More info
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One feature that has been missing in Thunderbird and makes it less useful for me is the ability to sort by a text field (such as Sender or Subject) and then type something in, and have it scroll to the first matching message which starts with that. It's really handy.
does 0.9 have it? Will a future release?
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They heave great servers at mozilla.org. THay can handle a /. But if you really want to share the file to a /. crowd make a .torrent file and share it using bittorent.
Or you could just wait until tomorrow. If you didn't know the release was imminent, do you REALLY need those features RIGHT NOW?
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Is Thunderbird 0.9 the one that comes up from under the swimming pool?
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the way Notes stores mail is a little different in concept to most other things, folders don't "contain" messages, messages exist in their own right in the database irrespective of what folders they might be in. It is perfectly valid for a message to exist without any folders including the message. Folders in Notes can have documents dragged into them which stores that association and you can get to the message through the folder. A saved search is what would be called a view in Notes, that is a folder which is based on a selection formula rather than manual fileing. It is perfectly valid also for one message to be shown in many many folders and views, but delete it from one it is deleted from all. Deleting a message is very different from removing it from a folder. Views and folders can also be categorised, this is basically the same thing as the group by feature. Notes views are indexed rather than calculated on the fly so I suspect they would be quicker for large mail files.
Notes of course isn't open source and you can only do limited view customisation without the design client, I do like the user interface for creating these saved searches, it is better than creating a private view in Notes.
This is a great open source mail notifier that will monitor as many Pop accounts as you like, at any interval you like, with preview and delete functionality while the email is still on the server. One button click will launch your favorite email client, so it's almost indistinguishable from having Thunderbird minimized to tray, and it uses less memory.
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The new View > Sort > Group By Sort (G)
:)
You'll have to download it to see what it does
I'll do the stupid thing first and then you shy people follow...
Outlook 2003 has search Folders, too.
I'm just waiting for the thunderbird folks to create an *actual* lean and mean version of thunderbird. It currently is using 34 MEGS of RAM just to sit and wait for mail to come in.
I thought firefox (currently using 55 MEGS of RAM) and thunderbird were supposed to be "lean and mean"?
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Given the success of the Spread Firefox campaign, is there an equivalent campaign for Thunderbird in the works?
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After installing Thunderbird 0.9 I get a lot of timeout errors :(
I use thunderbird but it's irritating how slow it is. I've recently thought about switching to another app that might be faster. Has this improved?
Uh, they served over 1 million copies of the Firefox preview in under 100 hours, I don't think Slashdot is really that big of a worry for them.
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The inspiration for this feature came from Usenet legend Kibo, who in the early 90's was grepping the Usenet spool so he could find and reply to every post that ever mentioned his name. Gnus (the Emacs newsreader) got this feature in 1995 under the name "nnkiboze" (other backends being nntp, nnmail, nnrss, nnslashdot etc).
Thunderbird lets you save by pressing Ctrl+S on a particular message, but it doesn't work when you have more than one message selected, and you can't use drag-and-drop either. And I haven't been able to figure out how to display the message in TB again (there's a File | Open Saved Message..., but it doesn't seem to do anything).
Thunderbird still pops up an alert dialog when you click on a folder that is not selectable.
This has been the one reason why i haven't switched to using Thunderbird. If you set it to check mail in all folders it pops up that dialog every time it checks each folder.
Huge problem with imap servers that use mbox instead of maildir.
At least, filtering based on Body content.
.8, doesn't work in .9. In fact, when I go back and try to edit the filter to figure out why it's failing, Thunderbird has changed the Body check back to Subject and lost the condition check. This is highly annoying.
I'm on a mailing list that, due to its nature, must accept submissions from non-members and has a public address. Naturally, it gets swamped with spam. SpamAssassin catches most of it, but doesn't add headers or change the subject; instead, it politely sends a warning message (I believe report_safe is set to 1) and attaches the original message.
Since I have no headers to work from, I have to create filters based on body content. Simple enough, right? If it contains words foo bar baz, delete the message.
Except it doesn't work. Didn't work in
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One of the major annoyances my company is finding during our internal Thunderbird testing is this freakish behavior:
1) user gets email.
2) user replies to email, text wraps correctly.
3) user forwards email and the text does not wrap at all, but instead runs off the screen horizontally causing annoying readability issues.
Does anyone know why this is? It still appears to be in Thunderbird 0.9. I'm confused as to if it is a bug or by design. If it's a bug, it's kind of a big one. If it's by design, it's kind of a poor design and there should be an option or preference to have "reply" and "forward" act consistently.
Otherwise, Thunderbird ROCKS -- nice work Thunderbird developers. It's fast, free and just getting better and better with each release.
~jeff
p.s. Inline spell check would be nice
This should be the last release candidate [RC] before the big 1; because in theory all the bugs should have been ironed out in this RC, but, nonetheless, Mozilla.Org is asking users who want to beta-test to download it and, in particular, check for bugs in these areas in RC2:
Some non-English RC2 builds are avaliable too according to Mozillazine. (Where are they?) For more info check out Ben Goodger's (lead developer's) blog.
For the rest of us, 1.0 final is supposed to be coming out in less than a week--then we can all party ;-).
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So is it better at importing Outlook address books? I'm trying to make it the standard mail app at work, but our support staff won't budge from Outlook unless we can succesfully import 500+ contacts into the Thunderbird address book - including all notes held in Outlook's address book.
(Mind you, even then it'll be an uphill task, despite the company having 14 Linux servers handling all our mission critical stuff, our tech. support guys are diehard Microsoft fans who are afraid of anything not by Microsoft!)
"Information wants to be paid"
What connection is there between receiving accounts and identities? At least sending servers are separated out, but if identities have a connection at all, it's as a folder preference: I might be subscribed to different mailing lists with different email addresses.
OK, it's definitely an improvement if you're switching from Outlook, but as linux user I have kmail...
Is it just me, or is gmail inspiring some of the new features ?
Looks like GMail is not so unique anymore.
morcego
I've used Forte Agent for my email and usenet at home for almost ten years now. Its still a great application which is being actively developed again although its not open source and doesn't really handle multiple mail accounts (that's coming soon).
I tried Thunderbird a while back with a thought to switching to get the multiple accounts. One thing stopped me from switching. In Agent, I'm used to getting new articles in a newsgroup, reading those that interest me and then deleting all or some of the articles. As far as I could figure, you can't delete usenet articles in Thunderbird. I don't remember the exact details now but somehow marking articles as read didn't make them disappear.
Maybe I'm missing the point of how a news reader should work because I think Outlook Express works similar to Thunderbird in this way. It just seems so easy and logical in Agent to simply get articles, read some and then toss them out so as to start with a clean slate next time. I think if I tried to delete articles in Thunderbird it thought I was trying to send a cancel message out to the world.
This can only mean one thing....
Hmmmmm....may be that m/b/Mozilla Browser/Phoenix/Firebird/Mozilla Firebird/Firebird Browser/(Mozilla) Firefox is an evil conspiracy to take over the world...uuhhh...by using consecutive name chages to wear us down until we all cry for no more....muhehhawwwwwhhawwwwwiuughhhh. Hmmmm...
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Express archiver for Outlook express does a good job of archiving messages, and attachments.
;).
It really is sad that there isnt a plug in that will allow you to archive all of your messages in readable format.
I wonder exactly how everyone else who uses Yahoo Groups or Google Groups gets their 'image' attachments out of ther email client
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I just refreshed the view and loads more files appeared!
I guess they must have been updating the en-US folder as I was trying to view it.
Sorrysorry!
Sorry, but every other application is only considered released when source is available ...
Why is Mozilla.org so unfriendly to Linux distributions????
I don't see why the mention of a release of Firefox against an article about the release of Thunderbird is offtopic! Someone mod this poor guy back up.
I tried just running it, but it doesn't seem to just work with the mailbox or preferences from Thunderbird 0.8. Furthermore, its "import" feature doesn't specifically talk about importing from Thunderbird 0.8, so it wasn't clear to me whether I could even import from 0.8 (with several hundred megabytes of mail, I didn't want to risk it).
Has anybody had more luck running 0.9 after using 0.8? Does import work?
Now don't get me wrong. I still use Thunderbird for mail. And I still think the Mozilla suite is awesome for many reasons, though I use mostly Opera for browsing.
It just seems like the 'cutting edge' browser features that people always talk about in Mozilla products were first featured in Opera years before: 'Tabed Browsing' and Gestural Navigation being the prime examples.
Now the new mozilla buzz is "Virtual Folders".
Well guess what gang? The Opera mail client has had that for at least 2 years now.
I'd like a 'Delayed Filtering' feature where incoming mail sits in the default mailbox for a period of time (24-48 hours) before being filtered to specific local folders.
I love TB ( and FF ) but I will not upgrade until features are added that I absolutely must have.
It used to be that upgrading either of these wouldn't effect my plugins, but these days I have to redo all of my plugins after each install.
A major pain,... I will wait until a "must have" new feature comes out.
Steve
For those who like to live on the bleeding edge Firefox 1.0RC2 is available.
Get it while its hot!
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Wow, the second most interesting program that Mozilla has to offer, and they *still* haven't fixed the one reason I don't use it. I don't understand how something so fundimental to Newsgroups (Combine and Decode split binary posts) still hasn't been implemented.
I have a copy of Forte Agent I have carried with me since 1996 that I still can't get rid of, just for this use. I'd almost use Outlook Express, except for that dirty feeling I get whenever I think of all the spam I receive that could be carrying a dangerous payload. MS won't let us turn off HTML in the preview pane and Mozilla won't let us combine and decode newsgroup posts. And so I wait, still in 1996, to someday use a modern email/news program at home.
Someone should modernize and combine Pine and Tin -- still my favorite combo of all time.
I am also an IMAP junky & have this and other questions. Can anyone comment more on Thunderbird as an IMAP client? I have been guiltily using Mulberry and Pine--Thunderbird's IMAP supprort had continually been improving, but it wasn't there. Evolution was OK, but too big & I need something cross-platform. Mutt's a nice client, but IMAP still wasn't there & didn't seem to be getting there. It also wasn't available natively on all platforms. Though I now run Linux exclusively on my desktop and would consider a Linux-specific product, I'd prefer a MUA that had native ports to OS X and win32.
I'd love to use this program, but I couldn't get filtering to work and that's very important to me. In fact, there are several entries in the mozilla bugs forum that talk about this issue, but no one's posted a fix.
So... anyone know if it's fixed??
I normally use elm, and I have dozens of mailboxes, some with thousands of old emails in them. ELm comes up very quickly, and moves around really fast. I use mutt for MIME stuff; it's almost as fast as elm. Firefox, while not having to deal with "all that data", at least comes up quickly and performs most actions rather speedily (until a couple of pages I have auto-updating have run for a while, anyway).
Thunderbird, OTOH, is much, much slower than elm or mutt, despite the fact that I haven't imported most of my emails into its directories. Data isn't the problem. It takes far more time to load than Firefox, an dthe GUI isn't as responsive in most cases.
I've never liked the way Thunderbird handles html links in messages. You should be able to right-click and launch in a new window or tab. (like Trillian)
Sometimes it even launches the links in IE! That's just wrong.
and they'd be unstoppable. Seriously, the main problem I have with Gmail is the inability to sort by subject. I'm subscribed to about 50 mailing lists, and I don't want to search for each of them individually to find the latest posts for a particular group. It's silly.
>MS won't let us turn off HTML in the preview pane
My Outlook Express (6.) has a checkbox:
[x] Read all messages in plain text
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I type this every time.
Where's the source???? Sorry, but every other application is only considered released when source is available ...
Then what is behind the "source tarball" link on this page? The "products" page is designed for end users, the "projects" page for developers and redistributors.
I used to use Forte Agent or Outlook Express to read news on my Windows machine, but I've long since switched to Xnews.
Let's quote that:
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;-).
If you do not want to use CVS, you can download a source tarball for the latest 0.8 Milestone.
Yes, that is a link to the source for 0.8 (as they say), not 0.9 (which is what we're looking for).
I guess, this being an odd-numbered release, we get to wait an extra month for the source release
BTW, I *did* check the mirrors for 0.9 for source before posting, and no, there isn't any source tarball for 0.9 anywhere yet.
So, seems even the projects page isn't for redistributors
Shame they don't implement this in Thunderbird.
Dunno about Outlook/OE's interpretation of what a saved message is supposed to be (or a mailbox, for that matter), but Thunderbird stores its emails in standard mbox format, i.e. it's ordinary text viewable/editable in any text editor. That text, of course, includes headers, etc.
The point is this -- by copying messages to a "folder" you're actually saving those messages to a separate file (read "mbox"). Which is what you want, yes? So there's no reason to have a ^C-S feature to save multiple emails.
Anyone know of any progress on getting Thunderbird to access the built-in OS X address book? That's the main thing keeping me on Mail.app for the time being.
The last time I checked, Thunderbird did not allow me to use a different outgoing SMTP server based on the personna(reply-to) used.
This is a big problem these days because SPAM filters at the ISP block email where the reply-to address is not within the same domain as the sending SMTP server.
It's a must-have feature me to move to it.
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
I think what you're seeing is related to "format=flowed" in the content-type header of sent messages:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Though this shouldn't force scrolling AFAIK, at least when I view it in T-Bird.
Your hybrid is not saving the environment. Its purpose is to make you feel good about buying something.
Guys, this is the Mozilla section. I already deleted the Apple section from my frontpage because I'm tired of the ceaseless Apple marketing and rewriting of history by Apple fans. Making incorrect claims that open source projects are copying features from Apple, when the opposite is the case, are insulting and just make Apple look bad.
I don't know anyone that will switch from Outlook simply because the calender offerings from the mozilla folks *suck*
Read some of my past posts. I'm too tired to rehash it, but basically the calendar is lacking really important features. Sunbird just doesn't cut it. Not even close.
The Mozilla Foundation needs a kick ass calendaring application. *That* is what holds a LOT of people to Outlook.. the goddamn calendar.
I know my odds are not good here, but I'm a long-time user of MH (now using nmh, in particular) and I have a large amount of mail in the MH directory format that I would like to import into Thunderbird.
Has anybody managed to migrate from MH to Thunderbird? In fact, has anybody managed to migrate from MH to anything else? (Maybe I could use some other mail program as a stepping stone to Thunderbird.)
The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...
How about letting me read my local mailbox?? and Wouldn't it be GREAT to read root's mail in ThunderBird? For those of us who manage lots and lots of servers, it would be awsome to be able to read root mailboxes with a decent email program.
That's not what the parent is talking about. The poster wants to save multiple messages to the filesystem as separate files. Here is an example:
User corresponds with business client via email...
Client denies that user did their job to spec and refuses to pay...
User needs to document all email exchanges with client for the court case. All 2648 of them. The only way to do this from within TB is to save them ONE AT A TIME. Ugh.
(Of course, we are all ninjas who can do this with grep, but not everyone has that luxury.)
knee-jerk? check. post? check. okay, time to read the article.
It should be noted that, if like me, you are a user of the mozilla calendar extention, you are hosed if you upgrade right now. Wait for the extention to catch up with the release build or be sorry.. like me. :(
Gmail supports filters now. Why don't you just create a filter for each mailing list and then each mailing list will bypass the inbox and go directly to whatever label you give it.
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You can, and have been able to for quite some time AFAIK. Under the server settings for the account in question, click the "Advanced" button and choose your SMTP server. Of course you need to have created the SMTP server at the SMTP server creation screen first.
Funny. "Open Saved Message..." works for me with messages saved with Thunderbird.
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It is possible in this new version to remove the "Local folders" ???
I just dont use it so DON'T want to have it on my screen.
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The first (and only) extension I install in Thunderbird is purge.xpi that puts an expunge button in the toolbar. Hiding the imap functionality with "autoexpunge" is frickin annoying. Now if only it had a hotkey.
To the guy who was looking for the option:
Tools -> Account Settings -> Server Settings -> "When I delete a message"
No, I did not read the f***ing article!
You can access Hotmail through Outlook Express.
Does anyone know why the Fedora 2 apt repository (fedora.us) still has 6.0? No recent release is even in unstable or testing.
That it could import mozilla mail messages, filters and so on with a single click... so I can migrate to it.
I have 0.8 if I install this will may mail from 0.8 transfer automaticly to 0.9
holy crap, thanks.
One note for anybody else reading this: Go to the General Outgoing server settings first and then go to it's "advanced" option. Here you're allowed to add more outgoing servers. Then you'll have a choice within the "advanced" option for the individual accounts.
Nice and thanks again.
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
Storing email in a database would be an interesting way to do things, but it sounds a bit overly complex for most mail readers out there... most of which (rightly, I think) spend the bulk of their effort focusing on the front end and actually reading the mail. Also, the word "export" seems to imply that you don't want to keep the database up-to-date with your email in real time.
I think it'd be very interesting to see an IMAP server that would manage mail folders in a database, though. That'd take a lot of stress off the folder managing complexity away from the mail reading client.
Someone else who replied mentioned that databases suck for handling free text. In my experience, they're at least as good as any other format, and they tend to have a much more established way of organising text indexes for any searching that's needed. The headers on emails can easily be separated for separate indexing and searching away from the body text, and even the body text can be indexed with real full-text indexes. (I'm not sure how well MySql supports that, but there's at least one contributed extension to PostgreSQL (tsearch2) that does full text indexing nicely.
Just before penquins like me start looking at it...
I'd really like to switch to Thunderbird...but I just can't give up the instantaneous searching capabilities that the LookOut add-in gives Outlook. I've gotten so used to being able to search my entire Gigabyte-sized Outlook archive in less than a second that I just can't bring myself to give it up, despite the cool features I'm seeing added to Thunderbird.
Anyone know of speedier search capabilities coming to Thunderbird anytime soon?
Something I find lacking in Thunderbird is a simple one-click "block sender" for adding Usenet posters to a killfile. That's the one thing Outlook Express has that Thunderbird doesn't that I really, really miss.
Anybody know of a plugin that does something like this? Otherwise, Thunderbird ROCKS!!
That's my #1 reason - the IMAP support works. I'm the administrator of a Cyrus IMAPd server for work, and I am _all_ too familar with the pain Outlook causes IMAP server admins and Outlook IMAP users.
Grepping the Cyrus sources for 'outlook' is less hilarious than I would've expected, but then Cyrus isn't big on comments. *sigh*. Eudora takes the cake anyway - and no surprise, that client is pure evil.
I actually use Evolution myself (but it won't do you any good - no Windows port), but Thunderbird would be my next choice, mostly for stability and because it's a tolerant, well behaved client that I can expect to just work without worrying about it.
There's at least one IMAP server that does use a database - Exchange. I don't know about you, but I don't find the results thrilling at least from an admin's perspective.
There has been repeated discussion on the Cyrus IMAPd list about mail-in-database storage, but the general consensus is that it would gain nothing over how Cyrus currently does things. Cyrus keeps its own header index and an optional body text index (searching a non-locally-cached 30,000 message mailbox in < 1 second, over dial-up = nice) and does rather well with that approach.
In other words, the facilities are already there. You could use Cyrus for an IMAP server for the kind of client you describe. All you'd need is to write a client that used the IMAP SEARCH command to get folder contents.
I'm not convinced.
In a sense, I guess I do keep my mail in a database - the Cyrus IMAPd mail store. There it's indexed (body and header indexes) and sorted. Sure, its a heirachal database otherwise known as "the file system" with additional files for the mail-specific header and body indexes, but it works very well.
Personally, I don't think a full RDBMS is necessarily the right answer, but I can see the appeal in some form of client-side database-like functionality, yes.
(I've also replied to another reply to your post with some more information, btw.)
now if i could read my gmail and my email at the same time i'd be praising mozilla (even more [get firefox])
Get your torrents...
where is it?? the gzipped binaries are on the mirrors. But where is the actual source code tarball??
http://www.veridicus.com/tummy/programming/powerme nu/ PowerMenu is better than needing individual apps to support tray-minimizing. Try it, tastes great.
"Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
On a reasonably fast connection it can take longer to connect to a BT swarm than to download a 5 MB file. Not to mention your BT download will be a lot slower.