Fedora Core Release 3 Released

anyweb writes "Fedora Core Release 3 is out now, Heidelberg, 2.6.9-1.667 kernel, Firefox included ! Gnome 2.8 and more. Here are some screenshots" New release includes Gnome 2.8, KDE 3.3, Kernel 2.6.9, Firefox PR1, Thunderbird 0.8, Ximian Evolution 2.0 and more. Here is a Mirror List and Bit Torrent

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fiiiinally

[The Other White Boy]

now everybody kindly hop on the torrent so i can have this done by the time i leave work in six hours. =)

Re:fiiiinally

[Pros_n_Cons]

Don't forget about the binary DVD folks, It's much cooler not having to switch CD's during install, or waste 4 CD's

Re:fiiiinally

[websaber]

screenshot link is already slashdotted here's another site. http://osdir.com/shots/slideshows/slideshow.php?re lease=110&slide=1

Re:fiiiinally

[The Other White Boy]

sure there is, it's the top-most link, in fact.

Re:fiiiinally

[bobsalt]

also note that the dvd install seems so much faster than the cd install. Doing a 2gb install seems to take about 15 min with a dvd, and 20-30 min with cd.

Time to Upgrade

[a3217055]

I wonder what is the bestway to upgrade to FC3 from FC2 ... Maybe just use apt and yum to upgrade :)

Re:Time to Upgrade

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe just use apt and yum to upgrade
The recommeneded way to upgrade is to use installer (annaconda), some people have reported problems using yum or apt.

Re:Time to Upgrade

[Oxide]

1) Download FC3 ISO images
2) Burn them to CDs
3) Put on the FC3 cd and click on upgrade

can't get any easier than that. I wouldnt want to use yum or apt because of the GCC upgrade.

Re:Time to Upgrade

[Mr_Icon]

I wouldnt want to use yum or apt because of the GCC upgrade.

It works very well. To upgrade from FC2 to FC3 using yum do:

• edit your /etc/yum.conf to point to fc3
• yum update yum
• yum upgrade

Then watch it churn. Of course, if you have third-party software installed, you may want to wait till your vendors catch up with FC3.

Re:Time to Upgrade

[whovian]

Just replace the strings with the appropriate flavors:

>pwd
/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/i386/

Ergo, replace
$releasever --> 2
$basearch --> i386

I used such a hardwiring to update RH7.2 to 7.3 ever since the former was dropped by Fedora Legacy.

Re:Time to Upgrade

[rgmoore]

edit your /etc/yum.conf to point to fc3

Rather than manually editing your /etc/yum.conf to point to FC3, it might be better just to download the fedora-release package from FC3, update that using RPM, and then proceed to update yum and then the whole system.

Re:Time to Upgrade

[mrzaph0d]

this was very helpful (from the fedora-test-list):

To upgrade via yum the short version goes like this:

1. backup all your data
2. upgrade yum to yum from fc3
3. upgrade fedora-release to fedora-release from fc3
4. make sure all your repositories point where you think they should
point.
5. run yum list updates - just to make sure things seem sane and working
6. make sure you are NOT in X and X is not loaded
6. from a terminal prompt run: yum upgrade
7. wait wait wait
8. you must reboot before using your system again
9. reboot the system and make sure you select the new kernel, not the
old one(s)
10. once your system is fully booted you may want to install some
additional items. Recommended:
yum groupupdate "GNOME Desktop Environment"

(thx to seth vidal)

Re:Time to Upgrade

[0x537461746943]

There are things that anaconda might do that just upgrading RPMS would not. I used yum to upgrade from RH9 to FC2 and it did work, but there were very strange beehaviors from some things afterwards. The fact that Fedora does not test using yum to upgrade a system from FC2 to FC3 should be reason enough to stay away from unless you have a ton of spare time to track down the strange little inconsistencies that crop up and the system being upgraded is not critical.

Re:Time to Upgrade

[batkiwi]

I asked about this on the list for FC1 to FC2, and the developers SPECIFICALLY said DO NOT DO THIS.

I trust them over you.

Competition

[Donoho]

Is it just me or are there enough high profile distros available now to keep them all pushing a little harder to stay current. I like it.

So....

[_undan]

Did they fix that little problem of the install process hosing drive geometry tables so that Windows won't load anymore?

Enterprise?

[Espectr0]

If fedora is the base for which RHEL gets developed, why do they keep releasing new versions? When do they decide which fedora release gets frozen to develop RHEL 4?

Re:Enterprise?

[mattdm]

If fedora is the base for which RHEL gets developed, why do they keep releasing new versions? When do they decide which fedora release gets frozen to develop RHEL 4?

What do you mean "why do they keep releasing new versions"? They keep releasing new versions because that's the point of having a distribution. Fedora Core partly exists to support RHEL, but it has its own life as well -- think Mozilla and Netscape, OpenOffice.org and StarOffice.

And "when do they decide"? Well, market realities mean they need a new RHEL release every certain amount of time -- probably every year and a half or so. So when that "when" approaches, I imagine they look to see what the most solid current Fedora base, and develop along with this.

In fact, RHEL 4 is being developed in parallel with FC3. See this LWN.net article for more details.

Fedora moves too fast

[gtrubetskoy]

Great news.

The dissapointing thing is how often Fedora major releases come out. Makes the lives of those of us who have to keep up with it quite difficult. We just got used to FC2 and now FC3's out! :-)

Re:Fedora moves too fast

[tuffy]

The dissapointing thing is how often Fedora major releases come out. Makes the lives of those of us who have to keep up with it quite difficult. We just got used to FC2 and now FC3's out! :-)

Six months. It's always six months. You need to download them sooner, perhaps. ;)

Re:Fedora moves too fast

[pomakis]

The dissapointing thing is how often Fedora major releases come out. Makes the lives of those of us who have to keep up with it quite difficult. We just got used to FC2 and now FC3's out! :-)

Then upgrade every two versions (e.g. RH9 to FC2 to FC4). That's what I do. There's no requirement for you to upgrade with every release that comes out.

Re:Fedora moves too fast

[mattdm]

The dissapointing thing is how often Fedora major releases come out. Makes the lives of those of us who have to keep up with it quite difficult. We just got used to FC2 and now FC3's out! :-)

Although all Fedora releases are given whole numbers, they're clearly not all going to be huge changes. I think of them like this (and I don't work at Red Hat, so I can, without getting in trouble):

Red Hat Linux 9: Red Hat Linux 9.0
Fedora Core 1: Red Hat Linux 9.1 (or 9.5)
Fedora Core 2: Red Hat Linux 10.0
Fedora Core 3: Red Hat Linux 10.1

Really, the changes don't look all that dramatic this time around.

Remmber, Red Hat has always put out new releases about every six months. You probably shouldn't set your watch by it exactly, but you might be able to by the averages. The new "Fedora" scheme lets them be more loose with making radical changes without waiting a year and a half (.0, .1, .2) if they want towillhave this time.

Fedora Core Release 3 Released?

[Anonymous Coward]

Isn't that as redundant as "Hot Water Heater"?

Re:Fedora Core Release 3 Released?

[Simsypoo]

The Red Hat Department of Reduncancy Department regretfully regrets the naming of the name given to Fedora Core Release 3 Release. Bye Bye

Re:Fedora Core Release 3 Released?

[Miniluv]

The poster should be ashamed of attempting to mock an English faux pas without first veryfing the veracity of the faux pas.

Fedora Core Release 3 is a noun. The verb "to release" conjugated into the past tense of "released" was then applied to the noun Fedora Core Release 3. This is entirely correct and non-redundant. The fact that the noun uses the word release in its name has nothing to do with having the past tense action "released" performed upon it.

Also, a "Hot Water Heater" is non-redundant as well. Hot Water does not, in my universe, magically instantiate itself as hot water. Instead it starts out as water, is heated in a vessel of some sort (mine is a metal cylinder lined with glass), then held at temperature until requested somewhere downline in the plumbing system.

Yes, this is very pedantic of me, however seeing something marked +5 funny when in fact its more like +5 ridiculous stupid, annoys the shit out of me.

I suppose there's the possibility the parent is an attempt humor. If so, well, perhaps it should've been funny.

Re:Fedora Core Release 3 Released?

[RealProgrammer]

The Red Hat Department of Redundancy Department regretfully announces that the morons in charge of the moronic naming of Fedora Core Release 3 have been released, erm, sacked.

Released?

[RealProgrammer]

Whenever I read that an Open Source package has been "released", I think, "Wasn't it already Free?"

firefox pr1

[Anonymous Coward]

Why didn't they wait 1 more day for the 1.0 final?

Re:firefox pr1

[Soko]

Ummmm...

After the final of Firefox has actually been released, and been through the Fedora QA process, a simple "yum -y update" will get it for you.

Everyone has a schedule that they like to stick to.

Soko

Re:firefox pr1

[LnxAddct]

They have a release schedule and try to stick to it as strictly as possible. 6 months ago they had no say in when Firefox 1.0 final would be released. FC3 was originally slated for November 3rd, got pushed back because the devs had some minor bugs to wipe out. Anyway... this is a great week for FOSS, and now you have time to d/l FC3 install it and upgrade to Firefox 1.0 tomorrow and then party on Wednesday :)
Regards,
Steve

Re:firefox pr1

[micromoog]

For the same reason they didn't wait x more days for the y other software packages with newer versions available.

IIRC, it was a kernel+parted issue

[wiredog]

and wasn't just a Fedora issue. I hadn't heard about it, as I don't run Windows on my home machine, until I had to install it here at work. The main thing is to not let it futz with the partition tables at all during an install.

Re:IIRC, it was a kernel+parted issue

[_undan]

Yes, but for those of us without ready-made ext3 partitions, it's a problem. Can't install linux straight into empty space.

And using Knoppix/similar and QTParted (which i've not had any troubles with) is rather backwards. If people want linux to be taken seriously, they need to make it play nicely with the big boys until people are ready (or able -- until there's native GTK or QT versions of Flash, Photoshop and Illustrator, I can't switch to it full-time, and I refuse to use WINE and/or the Gimp) to switch to it permanantly.

That's the point

[3770]

They are using you to test the system so that their enterprise customers will get the quality that they expect.

It is a really cheap way of doing quality control.

Re:That's the point

[LnxAddct]

Pretty much any company that releases both consumer and business software uses the consumer software to test the waters and once it seems okay they make the fixes and sell it to businesses along with 5 year contracts. Thats just business, get over it. At least Red Hat isn't ripping off the consumer, the Fedora development model isn't too much different then it was with the RH desktop distro... but the community kept complaining that it wasn't free and Red Hat made very little money (something like 3 million dollars) from its desktop version so they released it to the community as Fedora. Now the consumer gets probably the highest quality linux distribution avaialable, along with a huge supporting community. I use Fedora because it is stable, but has the latest and greatest. It is the only distro that runs on my laptop, and it is the only distro that I have been able to reliably install on just about any machine. If you haven't had the pleasure of using it, I would suggest you do so.
Regards,
Steve

Re:That's the point

[cpn2000]

Thats one way to look at it.

The way I look at it is ...
- I get a free OS (beer & speech).
- Updates from a source I can trust (Redhat)
Now, if it does help RedHat get some things done for their paying corporate customers it seems like a fair deal to me.

Re:That's the point

[gormanly]

Hmm, in my case they're using me to test both. Shame bugzilla reports on FC get ignored. As for quality control, Fedora seems to bypass the concept - FC2 sucks worse than any distro I've ever used, and I've been running everything on RH since the 4.2 days. If FC3 doesn't improve things I'll ... bitch some more on Slashdot.

Re:That's the point

[Mikmorg]

In what way is an old version of RedHat superior to FC2? I've been using FC2 on a server, workstation, and a laptop for quite a while, and it does everything RedHat 7-9 did for me, and more. It works quite well, with bugs of course, but expected... just as they are in any other distro. Personally, I love it.
I am curious as to your claims though...

Re:That's the point

[sbassett]

Very cheap, considering Micro$oft is still releasing BETA versions of software for about 150 bucks a pop.

Re:That's the point

[Michael Wardle]

FC2 sucks worse than any distro I've ever used

Didn't you ever run Red Hat 6.0? or 7.0? or 8.0?...

Re:That's the point

[stor]

Didn't you ever run Red Hat 6.0? or 7.0? or 8.0?...

Hehe, those releases were heaven compared to RH 5.0.

Or was it 5.1? I can't rememeber... but it was bad.

Cheers
Stor

Screenshots?

[Jukashi]

Whats with all these screenshots for distro releases - what exactly are people looking at? All I see is gnome or kde that could be running on anything. Are the distro-specific wallpapers that intresting?

Re:Screenshots?

[Anonymous Coward]

It is especially important to those of us who run it as a server and don't even have X on it.

Re:Screenshots?

[robyannetta]

Let me ask you this:

If you're looking for a new distro, are you going to choose the one that shows a plain business-like desktop with bland solid colors and business apps?

-or-

Will you choose the one with some wallpaper featuring a hot chic only wearing white panties with Tux printed on it, with a wild black and purple color theme showing apps like Xine playing a DVD, an MP3 player and Xchat?

Surprisingly, these two screenshots could be pictures of the same distro. Marketing is 90% of everything.

Fedora Core 3 Thoughts

[jsav40]

I had all three test versions of FC3 running and am very much looking forward to installing the release version.

Inpressions from the test releases

-selinux is enabled by default & *just works*
-firefox (finally) is included in Fedora Core proper
-automounting bahavior of usb keys, external HDDs etc. is greatly improved
-Totem has been added
-Yum has been greatly improved (faster)
-works well on the two laptops I tested it on
(IBM T20, CPQ Armada M700
-Better wifi support built in

Re:Fedora Core 3 Thoughts

[JianTian13]

-Yum has been greatly improved (faster)

Really? I'd love for this to be true -- Yum is so dog-ass slow that it makes installing a new Fedora system from scratch a full-day's undertaking, because before it downloads any patches, it insists on separately downloading uncompressed headers for every fucking package in the release. And then it checks for new headers each and every time I tell it to install a new package. If they've fixed this behavior... Well, yum might actually start approaching the usability of apt.

Yes, that's a flame and a troll. But in all seriousness, can anyone point me to an explanation as to why yum was chosen as the update tool, over say something like apt-rpm? Are there any honest-to-goodness technical reasons why yum is the better choice? Or is it just inertia at this point?

Re:Fedora Core 3 Thoughts

[Pros_n_Cons]

Are there any honest-to-goodness technical reasons why yum is the better choice?

Because apt for RPM was a hack. Was not built from the ground up to work for RPM where as YUM was. Yum was nowhere near apt in functionality but it is getting there. Maybe Fedora is stubborn in using apt for the same reason Debian was stubborn in using anaconda. It was written by "them".

Re:Fedora Core 3 Thoughts

[daemonc]

It was written by "them".

Actually it was written by Yellow Dog. Thus the name "Yellowdog Updater, Modified".

Yum was nowhere near apt in functionality but it is getting there.

I disagree. With this release, Yum has surpassed Apt in functionality (mirror lists for example).

Re:Fedora Core 3 Thoughts

[Jagasian]

That is not a technical reason. The "hack" as you call it works perfectly well, has nice graphical frontends and many other associated tools. Anaconda is not used by Debian for a host of technical reasons, mainly being that it does not support all of the architectures that Debian must support.

Apt for RPM supports everything RPM and Fedora need, so yum is just different for the sake of being different. Yet another Linux distro fork. If Fedora would go apt, then that would do allot to mend the rift between RPM/DEB based distros, as mostly, from the end user's point of view, installing, removing, and updating packages is done through a GUI like Synaptic.

yum is not the right direction for Fedora. apt is a better standard, as it makes Linux distros as a whole more standardized for the user.

Re:Fedora Core 3 Thoughts

[Coryoth]

-selinux is enabled by default & *just works*

This is the major point that is being missed by many here. Even if you think other LSM systems are better, even if you prefer some non LSM Mandatory Access Control system like RSBAC is better, you have to agree that any MAC system is a huge step forward for Linux security.

It doesn't even matter that the default SELinux policy for FC3 is very permissive (mostly it only places constraints of various daemons), what matters is that a major distribution has a Mandatory Access Control system in place by default.

This matter because it helps get developer buy in. That means more applications fixed so they don't do silly things that break under such systems, that means more developers actually using such systems to compartmentalize and strengthen the security of the applications themselves. This matter because right now we already have the architecture - several implementations of it in fact (SELinux, LIDS, RSBAC), what we don't have is applications that respect such systems, nor applications that take advantage of the extra security such system provide. As long as that is the case, we really aren't that much better off. People need to be paying attention to SELinux, and systems like it, and programming to use, or at the very least respect, such systems. Once that happens the difference between security in Linux and Windows really will be a night and day comparison.

This is a huge win for Linux if we can get it up and running, so let's take the time to make it work! Congratulations to everyone on the Fedora SELinux project! You've done a fantastic job, Thanks!

Jedidiah.

Re:Fedora Core 3 Thoughts

[mattdm]

Apt for RPM supports everything RPM and Fedora need, so yum is just different for the sake of being different.

Well, except apt doesn't support multiarch. This makes x86_64 a pain (if you want the ability to run any 32-bit code at all). That's the main hangup, and it doesn't look like it's going to be fixed any time soon.

why is it necessary to post screenshots?

[Anonymous Coward]

when most of the time more or less of all linux distributions look the same,if they are all customized the same. And here on Slashdot I'm sure everyone already know what things look like in almost all the different window managers.

Despite this, we still decide to slashdot their screenies site!

Re:why is it necessary to post screenshots?

[sapped]

when most of the time more or less of all [linux distributions|women] look the same,if they are all [customized|dressed|undressed] the same. And here on Slashdot I'm sure everyone already know what [things|insert favourite part of anatomy here] look like in almost all the different [window managers|bikinis|lingerie|nothing].

Yeah, no idea why people like looking at pictures.

Re:why is it necessary to post screenshots?

[Goo.cc]

Look dude, Screenshots equals geek porn.

Re:why is it necessary to post screenshots?

[IBeatUpNerds]

How would you know it was /.ed unless you tried to view it yourself? Shut up and stop trying to pretend like you're somehow different from the rest of us who wanted to see the screenshots.

Firewire Support?

[leinhos]

Can anyone comment on the level of Firewire support in FC3? I tried to get FW working with FC2, but eventually gave up...

Re:Firewire Support?

[Antique Geekmeister]

It's been working fine for me since FC2 came out: I don't have to hand-roll my own kernels anymore, and packages for things like video translation libraries are available in RPM form from the "dries" repositories, in yum-compatible mirror shites.

Re:MOD Parent up, and answer

[Anonymous Coward]

It was a problem specific to fc2, has been fixed forever in fc2 updates and non-existant in fc3.

Question:

[RLiegh]

Is there a way to do a network install of fedora? I'm not sure why, but every cd I download is corrupted and unusable; so installing from cd is pointless for me.

Thanx. :)

Re:Question:

[A Boy and His Blob]

Yes, you can either download the CD and use it to boot, then do a network install through an FTP or HTTP server (just make sure you find a server before booting because it doesn't give you a list or anything). If you can't even get the CD to boot and you already are running Linux just mount the iso as a "virtual drive." This is how I installed mine.

when will we have FC4?

[Anonymous Coward]

could it be next week because I'm thinking these guys are a bit too slow. I'd like them to move the pace up a bit that way I really don't have time to get used to their distro before the next comes out.

Linux Screenshots

[stratjakt]

It's always a fancy desktop with cute icons, a shot of OpenOffice, one of GIMP, and then the rest are all of a thousand xterms opened up.

They end up showcasing the lack of good linux desktop applications, it's pretty funny if you're not a zealot.

Re:Heidelberg?

[afd8856]

The name of a German city. Insightful, huh? :-) Actually, it's Fedora 3' release name.

Re:Oh, the irony!

[stratjakt]

Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 With 60 Hotfixes Installed.

You need service pack 4, that's your problem.

I don't believe that either "stabler" or "securer" are words.

Mirror in Europe

[Yenya]

Mirror whore mode on:

If you are in Europe and looking for a fast mirror, try this one (i386; x86_64 is here).
80 minutes after the release and my bandwidth and HDD speed is still not maxed out ...

(IAAAOTS - I am an administrator of this server).

kernel.org stats

[hpa]

From this morning...

570 Mbit/s (about 540 Mbit/s of which are mirrors.kernel.org, i.e. mostly Fedora); load average 232.44.

Re:Question

[Misch]

Suse is a sports car inside a family sedan. Suse also has nicer kernels. Redhat Kernels are just ...

Just what? Cup holders?

Re:Oh, the irony!

[drunkahol]

Sure they are words . . .

I stabled the horse. Therefore I was the stabler of the horse.

I secured the stable. Therefore I was the securer of the stable.

Or thereabouts anyway. If in doubt - make words up. It's more fun. Just as long as you spell them properly.

2.3GB?

[thisisauniqueid]

Why is this a little over half the size of FC2?

Re:2.3GB?

[Sunspire]

The Fedora Core 2 DVD image also included the source discs. With Fedora Core 3 the DVD only contains the same binary data as on the 4 regular CDs. Makes more sense this way in my opinion.

Re:How it compares to Ubuntu?

[LnxAddct]

Heh no contest, try Fedora Core 3. It goes under much more extensive testing, has a nice development cycle. It has a gigantic community and every major open source project releases rpms for Fedora. Not to mention everything *just works*, runs fast and the desktop if very well integrated and looks nice. Give FC3 a shot, it is by far the best release yet.
Regards,
Steve

Mu.

[pavon]

That is not how things work. This isn't like debian where after a certain amount of time unstable is simply renamed stable. RHEL is developed completely apart from Fedora and the purpose of Fedora is not to be a testing version of RHEL. The purpose of Fedora is to get the bugs out of the bleeding edge software as fast as possible, not to debug the distro. A release early, release often strategy is the best way to obtain that goal.

Updates available

[osvejda]

Already! Announces here.

Re:DVD iso is a convenient size

[Alan Cox]

We couldnt fit the sources and binaries on one DVD either.

Re:screenshots

[LnxAddct]

Your statement is interesting from a psychological view point as any Intro to Psych student could tell you. Anyway your probably oppressing something that happened to you as a child, maybe your father touched you or took pictures of you that you would like to forget about. Anyway... you most likely are the homosexual simply because you are randomly accusing others of being one, your trying to make yourself feel better about your homesexual tendencies and justify it to yourself. Regardless, your ignorance is shown in your response by the fact that BitTorrent would very well be just as good at mirroring screenshots as well. I don't believe I ever specified ISO's. But then again you seem to be so distressed, which is seen through your excessive use of unnecessary and violent language, that any logic probably wouldn't make sense to you. Anyway... Say it with me, "Rick and Roll was touched by his father as a child, and when he's not crying to himself, he's taking out his anger on the world."
Regards,
Steve

Re:Fedora

[pyros]

Wierd since, Fedora decided to copy Debian's mistaken policy of offering three software troves called stable,testing and unstable.

Uh, no .... Have a look here and tell me where it mentions stable/testing/unstable. The official Fedora package set contains exactly one version of each application. Third party packagers like Fedora.us and Livna.org have adopted the stable/testing/unstable split, but they are separate entities from Red Hat, and are not official Fedora packages.

I'll readily admit that I won't use Fedora without adding Fedora.us and Livna.org to my yum/apt sources, but you're either mistaken in your understanding of the Fedora community or spreading FUD.

Re:Time for standard kernels in these releases

[Sunspire]

This is completely the opposite of what Linus himself thinks. We've got a new kernel development process since the last kernel sumit, and the final stabilization is now explicitly left to the vendors.

2.6 is now both the stable and development branch for the foreseeable future. New features are rapidly integrated and 2.6.x.y versions are optionally released for stability, but a lot of the testing and QA is being offloaded to the distributions.

I personally want Red Hat to tweak their kernels. That's what a distributors job is in my opinion, pulling software from all sort of sources and integrating them into a coherent product. I want Red Hat to include fixes for ACPI, CD recording, and basically do everything to assure that I don't have to compile my own kernel. Red Hat employs some of the best core kernel developers, over the years they've earned my trust and that of my company's. So in a sense, yes, they can do better, and we expect it of them. Perhaps that's not the kind of vendor you're looking for, in which case just stick to Slackware.

Re:How it compares to Ubuntu?

[Pros_n_Cons]

Nice plug for ubuntu on a fedora thread. If you're not 'trying' to troll a flamewar you sure don't think much.

Two things, please answer.

[XO]

First:
Slashdot is now using banner advertisements that load Java. This came as quite a surprise to me, as my browser suddenly started paging out to disk, and freaked out for almost 5 minutes while it loaded Java, and ran a component that promptly crashed Java. That's just a comment. If anyone in admin cares, please fix it. Java is bad. Still.

Second:

Any suggestions on properly using apt-get to upgrade from FC1 to FC2 or FC3? I finally got apt-get to upgrde from X11 to XORG, and that caused my entire X system to not function.. so, looking for some help with the rest. lol

Re:Two things, please answer.

[Antique Geekmeister]

Use yum. Make a copy of your yum.conf called yum.conf.update, and replace the $releasever everywhere with the number "3". Then run "yum clean; yum -c yum.conf.update check-update" to pre-load the header files files, and "yum -c yum.conf.update yum; yum -c yum.conf.update update" to actuall do the updates. The new version of yum has some nice pre-downloading features, which is why I recommend updating it first.

Re:Two things, please answer.

[sirReal.83.]

Here's a suggestion about apt-get and upgrading between FCs: Don't. It's not supported. When things break, you have nobody to complain to other than whoever maintains your apt packages. If you want to upgrade in the safest way possible, boot from the first CD and upgrade via the installer (Anaconda).

Re:Time for standard kernels in these releases

[Antique Geekmeister]

Me too. I want them to backport clear kernel fixes and driver additions to the older kernel, rather than publishing a fresh-off-the-presses and not yet stable kernel and forcing me to do a forklift upgrade of my kernels or hand roll my own patches. This is what RedHat gets paid for.

Release notes

[bnavarro]

here

Re:I was just asking on the Firefox forums...

[ebuck]

If this is really how you feel. I can't think of any major Linux distrobution that doesn't ship will Mozilla. Mabye when Firefox reaches 1.0, then distros will consider including it in their offerings, but right now you're asking for pre-release software in a stable distribution offering.

Does FC do net installs?

[meanfriend]

Is it possible to install FCx with some sort of net installer so you dont need to download the full iso set? ie. get a small iso that contains a bare install and download the rest as you go?

If you want to set up a thin desktop with only a limited number of apps (GUI, browser, openoffice, email client, XMMS), it seems a waste to download 2+ GB of iso's full of stuff you will probably never use. And because FC is so bleeding edge, by the time you do need package XYZ, there is likely an updated version in the repository anyways...

Other distros (eg. Debian, Suse) do this and it's very convienent. I like to try out different distros but the idea of downloading a full CD set for something I'll only kick around for fun turns me off.

Re:Does FC do net installs?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, just get the "boot.iso" (about 5MB) and use that, point it to an FTP/HTTP server with the RPMs, and it will pull them down.

Re:Does FC do net installs?

[Spoing]

1. They dont even mention the fact there is a network install option. By reading that statement, it sounds like you need to get all the iso's.

They are trying to keep it simple...or just forgot.

Either way, it's not much of a hardship. Anyone who knows about network installs already knows that they are available and can figure out what to grab from the mirror sites. This has not changed in many years and is a given for most multi-CD distributions and most of the *BSD forks, not just Feora or RH.

NFS

[soloport]

Three easy steps to installation bliss: 1) Put each ISO image into an NFS share on a remote computer. (You don't even have to unpack the images -- as some HOWTOs suggest.)

2) Burn only the first ISO to CD-R. Upon boot (from CD-ROM), when the "Linux:" prompt appears, enter the following:
linux askmethod

3) Profit! Uh... No. Actually, after a: selecting NFS from the list and b: requesting (DHCP-enabled networks) or specifying an IP address, c: enter the NFS server's IP address and the NFS path where the ISO images are located (not the mount point, the actual path from the root -- e.g. /var/local/nfs/fedora/tettnang/).

And that's it! If you're connecting over Fast Ethernet, your installation will be unbelievably fast -- and you can avoid having to swap CD-ROMs as you go.

Re:NFS

[mbbac]

I choose to install Fedora by downloading the DVD image over BitTorrent on my PowerMac. Mounting the DVD image and dragging the files into ~/Sites/install/. Then I can boot my old Gateway system using a boot CD and install from my Mac's Apache server (i.e. http://192.168.1.2/~mbbac/install/).

Misunderstood feature

[jd]

That wasn't a bug, that was a virus prevention strategy. :)

MD5SUM

[hotneutron]

heidelberg-binary-i386
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

ca49964739f84848ca78fc03662272fb FC3-i386-DVD.iso
e5e0328370d899bd77c8d5c7f1bd3ead FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc1.iso
5cf3f9ae84d8d0ec49679618 c9cc2236 FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc2.iso
ee5f134b6880145e576c97c3 561cd787 FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc3.iso
7c57d517a6b0bb98b5860039 2f44ef36 FC3-i386-SRPMS-disc4.iso
db8c7254beeb4f6b891d1ed3 f689b412 FC3-i386-disc1.iso
2c11674cf429fe570445afd9d5ff56 4e FC3-i386-disc2.iso
f88f6ab5947ca41f3cf31db0448727 9b FC3-i386-disc3.iso
6331c00aa3e8c088cc365eeb7ef230 ea FC3-i386-disc4.iso
07bb34ce97b62b99f84d32812a2eec 75 FC3-i386-rescuecd.iso
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFBiWL+tEJp0E8qb9IRAtvbAJ9ogGEnoKYeT9exJ/Bp O8 stFfclAwCfWy6h
iYqa2g5AiQK3PldULLM0Zhw=
=gMjQ
- ----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

heidelberg-binary-x86_64
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

2786a751df919f340d967a4833b63b16 FC3-x86_64-DVD.iso
0b9f23eff713db3a0d5a778e38d702 99 FC3-x86_64-SRPMS-disc1.iso
bd15bac386cdc30b6fcdf8 e7da633403 FC3-x86_64-SRPMS-disc2.iso
d89ea5afcb3b94cbfaa3c2 75455d45a4 FC3-x86_64-SRPMS-disc3.iso
d177e8134ffff13e0029fe 31a9f20c85 FC3-x86_64-SRPMS-disc4.iso
b61b0eb7e0171837aeeff4 f0054a4d79 FC3-x86_64-disc1.iso
99dc12c7e8a93844a48a5675a9c0 7ec9 FC3-x86_64-disc2.iso
399b7ffd721ebb4244a02c34cdbb 1b82 FC3-x86_64-disc3.iso
f58b1de3b880df55dbbd37d14341 9226 FC3-x86_64-disc4.iso
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFBiWW9tEJp0E8qb9IRAiL2AJ9WPp23dJDCI4KUBtOk Ew K5ilz9DACeIzNa
tEhZiwbsnkhseHhKIqUGfDo=
=CjaW
- ----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Re:Installing Evolution Connector on FC3?

[purplebear]

According to the blurb about Evolution 2.0 from this page, http://www.novell.com/products/evolution/, connector is part of it, not a separate component.

Multiple - 8 OC-192's available at SC2004

[Danathar]

If anybody at SC2004 (Supercomputing 2004) in Pittsburg (currently in progress) Is reading this, get somebody on the floor with a big RAID box and a 10 GigE connection to join the torrent!

It's like an alignment of stars! SC2004 bandwidth challenge and Fedora Core 3 released at the same time!

http://www.sc-conference.org/sc2004/bandwidth.ht ml

yea baby! 8 OC-192s....for a limited time only!

Re:Multiple - 8 OC-192's available at SC2004

[Danathar]

Well..probably so...but 80Gb/s of aggregate bandwidth is still nothing to sneeze at. Remember that the current single connection speed for any connection (land speed record over internet 2) is at around 6.5 Gb/s

http://www.infosatellite.com/news/2004/09/p13090 4i nternet2.html

More importantly. SC is one of the places each year that Networking companies use to test new gear. The convention encourages people to use the bandwidth for anything as long as its legal since they are demoing equipment and gear.

I say if they have the bandwidth available for this week...why not use it.

It's not like I'm trying to get anybody to buy anything

Should have seen this coming.

[wayward_son]

I just spend the better part of the weekend installing FC2 on my laptop.

Question: Mandrake or Fedora?

[schroedlzone]

Curious on what you guys would suggest.

I desire to use linux 100% on my laptop. I've been a windoze peon for eons and I'm slowing becoming familiar with the console. I installed Mandrake 10.1 Community on my laptop and have been running it for 2 weeks and have done a lot with it (nVidia driver install, Samba shares, KDE customization, etc). The problem is that my Mandrake KDE (3.2) has many mysterious crashes of certain apps (konqueror) and many fustrating slowdowns for no good reason.
I like mandrake's system control panels and it detects all my strange usb hardware but these crashes are all too random. Would Fedora be a better bet?

My linux upgrades keep chugging...

[saur2004]

My windows upgrades have stoped dead. ;P

Yes I keep a windows box around for those odd things that just wont run correctly under wine. And yes I am ashamed that I actually PAYED the Borg for the copy of Windows 2k.

But its stuck at SP2 and I can say that that is the end for software from the Borg for me.

On the other hand my linux box just keeps up updating and updating and updating as fast as I can grab the ISOs ;P

Try again

[bill_mcgonigle]

I tried to get FW working with FC2, but eventually gave up...

There were kernel issues initially that were fixed a while later.

I installed FC2 from .iso's on a machine last week - no firewire. Did a yum update. Reboot. Perfect firewire.

New in Gnome 2.8

[houseofmore]

For what's new in gnome 2.8 (from 2.6 in code 2), see http://www.gnome.org/start/2.8/notes/rnwhatsnew.ht ml

Screenshots included.

Rather than screenshots, how about a faq?

[Anonymous Coward]

I would rather see a deescription of what new features Fedora Core 3 has that Fedora Core 2 doesn't have. Then I can determine whether it's worth the bother to upgrade. Screenshots are irrelevant. You will be assimilated.

WARNING ALL DOWNLOADING FROM SUPRNOVA

[justsomebody]

Just out of curiosity I downloaded images from suprnova and checked md5sum

Original md5sum
db8c7254beeb4f6b891d1ed3f689b412 FC3-i386-disc1.iso
2c11674cf429fe570445afd9d5ff56 4e FC3-i386-disc2.iso
f88f6ab5947ca41f3cf31db0448727 9b FC3-i386-disc3.iso
6331c00aa3e8c088cc365eeb7ef230 ea FC3-i386-disc4.iso

Suprnova md5sum
5f99bc2fb3685cb52ef1ea6a2a8b27ce FC3-i386-disc1.iso
eda0debffcb97f63162782818727c1 c4 FC3-i386-disc2.iso
f6da03ef5d78ed1fef464970c82faf b0 FC3-i386-disc3.iso
b6e2e7c9b86b49d9cab1557be00437 4f FC3-i386-disc4.iso

Re:WARNING ALL DOWNLOADING FROM SUPRNOVA

[no_such_user]

The Suprnova post was for an RC released Oct-29. See this redhat.com link. If you dowloaded the suprnova torrent, erase it and start again from the official torrent site. If you're not sure, md5sum your results and compare them to the official ones.

Code name sounds like Hindenburg

[theurge14]

Hope it doesnt burn up and die on me.

666 + one

[dankelley]

I notice the kernel is build-number 667, i.e. the number of the beast, plus unity. Any significance to that?