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The Promise Of Transparent Circuits

aaron huslage writes "Research into Transparent Circuits has apparently come a long way lately. 'In a development that could accelerate architectural deployment of see-through surfaces with embedded circuitry, researchers from the Tokyo Institute of Technology have greatly improved the processing speed of transparent semiconductors, according to a report in the Nov. 25 issue of the journal Nature.' Imagine that your house is your computer!" Or a truly active windshield display in the car.

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  1. errrr.... by lordkuri · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or a truly active windshield display in the car.

    yay! as if it's not bad enough getting run over by soccermom's in their Navigators.. now they get to look at all the pretty flashy things!!

    1. Re:errrr.... by trongey · · Score: 3, Funny

      The number of techno-gadgets allowed in an automobile should be inversely proportional to it's mass.

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    2. Re:errrr.... by zev1983 · · Score: 2, Funny

      And you thought having your regular windshield replaced was expensive...
      How much will it cost to replace these 'active' windshields after your ex bashes it in yet again...

    3. Re:errrr.... by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well this could have some beneficial uses as well such as overlaying dots on where the white and yellow lines are in the road. Especially at night in the rain where the glare of the headlight tend to make the lines hard to see and when you get in a multi lane interchange this can get troublesome. Also if they could change color when you cross them so you know that you could be a bit off course (due to being tired or just been diving for to long) Or overlaying direction from a GPS so you can see where you really should turn. It would be like having an arrow pointing the way. But care should be taken on how much stuff in in front of your field of vision. TV shows, Or cutesy things will just be dangerous.

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    4. Re:errrr.... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      screw all that, I want it to be able to change my face image when I fly through a camera speed trap.

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    5. Re:errrr.... by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd settle for one that automatically blocks most of the sunlight. I'm too big for the visors to work without blocking my view of the road, and I almost hit a pedestrian this morning who was wearing white and in the glare of the sun. A dark dot that positions itself between the driver's eyes and the sun would be very useful, even if that's all the 'active' windshield did.

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    6. Re:errrr.... by kfg · · Score: 1

      True "instrument flying" for cars would be killer, (which is to say it would prevent killing, ain't language fun?)

      The problem being that the display issues have already largely been solved by the aircraft people. It's the sensing issues that remain to be fully solved for automotive use. How does the car know where the bloody lines are in the first place? The enviroment on the road is far more complex than that in the air where the "lines" can be imposed on a semiarbitrary basis.

      KFG

    7. Re:errrr.... by rokzy · · Score: 1

      there would be an exemption for SUVs.

      just like in the USA, the tax you pay for your vehicle depends on mass. SUVs qualify for "lorry" status, but that would mean inconveniencing SUV users a bit which is the last thing the US wants to do. so they don't make the SUV owners pay accroding to mass like everyone else.

    8. Re:errrr.... by ravingsanity · · Score: 1

      That really won't help you unless it can somehow change your license plate too since that's what the cameras I've heard of are actually aiming for.

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    9. Re:errrr.... by Random+Chaos · · Score: 1

      Truely active...until the first pebble is kicked up from the car in front of yours!

    10. Re:errrr.... by Rytr23 · · Score: 2, Funny
      after your ex* bashes it in yet again..
      • *Note to slashdotters: This refers to an individual with which you had a "relationship" with, that also took place in the "physical" aka "real" world, that is now no longer willing to deal with your neglect .. and in this example seems to be a tad disenchanted with you and your 'active' windshield
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    11. Re:errrr.... by Moderatbastard · · Score: 1

      You should patent that idea. But it needs a snappy name - lemme see, it's a display that you can use without looking down - how about "a head-not-tilted-down display"?

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    12. Re:errrr.... by El+Puerco+Loco · · Score: 1

      This would be a really lousy way to make a head-up display for a car. The driver would have to shift focus between the road and the windshield display. Current head-up displays use reflection for a reason. When the display is reflected by a piece of glass at a 90 angle it appears as thought the information is being projected in the distance in front of the vehicle, so the driver does not have to shift his focus between far and near to read the information, it looks like it is projected on whatever he is looking at at the time. An LCD display built into the window would hardly be better than one built into the dashboard, the driver would still have to take his eyes off the road to view the display.

    13. Re:errrr.... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Not to mention that having the circuitry there, no matter how transparent, is still going to spread light around (just like drops of rain, scratches etc do) and make the problem worse.

      If you can't see the lines on the road (except in really, really terrible weather) there's something wrong with your wind[screen|sheild], eyes, or wipers.

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    14. Re:errrr.... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      No they, at least in my state, have to have a recognizable picture of you. They have to be able to prove that it was you that was driving the car.

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    15. Re:errrr.... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      I've often wanted that as well. I came up with two possible solutions:

      An active matrix LCD winshield where the "pixels" were half inch square. Just activate the pixels that track through from the sun to my head position. I actually looked into it and without wearing some funny headgear it would be rather tough to actually do.

      The other option that I thought of would be to simply darken a 2 inch diameter circle centered around where you last touched the windshield, thus as you drove down the road, point at the sun and it goes away. Not as good as the first option, but actually feasable.
      -nB

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    16. Re:errrr.... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      You sound like someone who has never driven a vehicle.

      By your logic, cars should not have rearview mirrors, speedmeters, stereos, etc. because these things make you look momentarily away from what's in front of the car.

      Also, Cadillac didn't think that their nightvision system was so bad with their small LCD screen on the dash, in front of the steering wheel.

      (Incidently, for those who don't know, you can now buy the same system and have it installed in your car, with the designed LCD "HUD" or without, so you can use your own automotive LCD monitor.)

    17. Re:errrr.... by Drantin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't the actual chips/capacitors/resisters/etc still be a tad opaque? Now that'd make for an intersting windshield... and it'd better be a one-sided circuit or just be on the inside of the actual windshield in case of rain/insects/flying pieces of conductive metal... and condensation/freezing weather, etc...

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    18. Re:errrr.... by Satan+Dumpling · · Score: 1

      Interesting idea. Especially if you can put a tiny tracker/sensor right between the lenses on your sunglasses.

    19. Re:errrr.... by tricops · · Score: 1

      Whereas here in Calgary they typically just get a rear picture. The registered owner of the car is fined, but they are unable to demerit anyone's license since it would be a pain to prove who was actually driving. Nice little money maker for the cops.

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    20. Re:errrr.... by gekko513 · · Score: 1

      Not a very good idea, as pointing at the sun would make you look straight at it, causing a dark spot not just where you pointed but at the center of wherever you try to look for the next 20 seconds.

    21. Re:errrr.... by stanmann · · Score: 1

      It was a joke.. you moreon let this be a leson to your.

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    22. Re:errrr.... by trongey · · Score: 1

      Nice catch. Thanks.

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    23. Re:errrr.... by El+Puerco+Loco · · Score: 1

      The nightvision system does not interfere with the view of the road because it is a view of the road. My point was that better technology already exists for a HUD. The whole point of a HUD is so the driver does not have to look away from the road. If you are going to put in an LCD panel, it might as well be on the dashboard, because the driver still has to look away from the road.

    24. Re:errrr.... by PapayaSF · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or a truly active windshield display in the car.

      Now that could be a true "blue screen of death"!

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    25. Re:errrr.... by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      The problemw with putting a display in the windshield itself is that you have to change your focus from the road ahead to the windshield or else you get double vision. Having an overlay of the lines would be great, but in addition to the wrong focus, you'd also need a head-tracking component, or else you'd move and the lines would be shifted left or right on the windscreen.

      There are some cars that have digital speedometers focused further out than the windshield, but it's actually a display in the dash that is reflected back by the windshield, which is the only way I can see it working.

    26. Re:errrr.... by mseidl · · Score: 1

      The larger the SUV the smaller the cell phone.

      Some bitch in an Excursion is backing into me since she can't see me. But, she can't hear me honking because her cell phone the size of a grain of rice has fallen into her inner ear and she is trying to get it out.

    27. Re:errrr.... by Ry-Dawg · · Score: 1

      People are bad enough drivers as it is, don't make them worse by giving them more distractions!

      I think even a HUD that is implemented using reflection off the windshield (thus giving the 3D-ish effect) would be distracting and potentially dangerous. The one implanted in the windshield would probably be even more so. It might even block pieces of the road and keep you from noticing that approaching guardrail or little kid or car until it's too late (I know, I know, you could make the HUD transparent, but there are some really BAD drivers out there. It's scary what would happen if you made them use a HUD ). For that reason, I think the whole windshield HUD idea is shaky at best. The screen on the dash like the Cadillac Nightvision system would not have that "blocking" effect.

      But hey, what do I know

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    28. Re:errrr.... by tektrix · · Score: 1

      I want an active sun visor . . . an area of the windscreen that darkens in just the right spot to cast a shadow across my eyes. A simple head-tracker in the ceiling and a sun location sensor coupled to a fairly coarse grid of some quick-response electro-chromic elements coated onto the glass. Car position, sun position, head position all factor to update the location of the shadow-spot every 1/30th of a second or so. Can't be that hard to do . . .

    29. Re:errrr.... by NardofDoom · · Score: 1

      Sunglasses are a nice, high-contrast object to track, too. Wouldn't be too hard to make a camera that can detect where your eyes are, where the sun is, and write a little code to darken specific pixels.

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    30. Re:errrr.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I would prefer a projected heads up display.

      vehicle windshields are insanely expensive now, just wait until they embed this crap in it...

      yes sir, that crack in your windshield will cost $23,586.23 to replace the whole thing.

      no we cant fix the crack, it took out the top 1/2 of your display.

      it would be cheaper to buy a new car...

      gee alot like laptops!

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    31. Re:errrr.... by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      "Transparent aluminum??"

      "That's the ticket, laddie."

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    32. Re:errrr.... by jamesh · · Score: 1

      and as an extensions, a peril sensitive windshield. At the first sign of peril (eg you're about to hit a tree) it turns completely opaque, thus saving the driver and passengers from being aware of their impending doom.

    33. Re:errrr.... by JohnGalt00 · · Score: 1

      You mean the same way you look directly at the sun when using your hand to shield against the sun? I know I don't do that while driving. You can use your peripheral vision (as opposed to focus vision) to figure out where stuff is.

    34. Re:errrr.... by qbwiz · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't need actual chips because this includes a transparent semiconductor.

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    35. Re:errrr.... by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      A dark spot that blanks out FOG LIGHTS would be an incredible boon to UK drivers.

      Very rarely do we get conditions bad enough on the roads to necessitate the use of these high-intensity red lights on the back of our cars, but every time there is even a light mist the useless !"£"%$£$ers just flip the switch and blind those of us who have to sit behind them.

      Some of us are professional drivers, some of use have to drive for 8 hours a day. Some of us could be classed as "dangerous" if we have to stare at those !"££"$%"ing things until our eyes just closed of their own accord, or got so tired that they glassed over and we had to make a determined effort to carry on trying to pick out the tiny difference between the fogs and the brakes.

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    36. Re:errrr.... by trongey · · Score: 1

      You were expecting spaceflight in automobiles?

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    37. Re:errrr.... by Moderatbastard · · Score: 1
      A dark spot that blanks out FOG LIGHTS would be an incredible boon to UK drivers. Very rarely do we get conditions bad enough on the roads to necessitate the use of these high-intensity red lights on the back of our cars, but every time there is even a light mist the useless !"£"%$£$ers just flip the switch and blind those of us who have to sit behind them.
      Or those in front of them. Go out when it's raining and half the cars will have them on. If it's just cold about 10% feel the need. I mean, there's a clue in the name but it seems to escape most of the chavs. Might as well rename them "Cold and/or wet lights".
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    38. Re:errrr.... by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      It was a joke.. you moreon let this be a leson to your

      Was that supposed to be
      "you moron, let that be a lesson to you",
      or was it
      "you moron, let that be a lesion to your '.' "
      ??

  2. comp house by anagama · · Score: 5, Funny

    "imagine that your house is your computer."

    Two words: kid, baseball

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    1. Re:comp house by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Or that hammer-throwing chick from the Apple 1984 commercial.

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    2. Re:comp house by limbostar · · Score: 1

      People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw hammers.

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    3. Re:comp house by MarkRose · · Score: 1

      But at least this time, when your Windows crash, it's not Microsoft's fault.

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    4. Re:comp house by anagama · · Score: 1

      Well, this of course presumes you have fortune installed in the specified location. I suppose this would be better:

      grep -r -A3 'All wars are civil wars' /usr/share/*

      But what a long wait while the HD grinds away. This is quiker:

      grep -A3 'All wars are civil wars' /usr/share/*/fortune/*

      Not being a grep master though, perhaps there is a way to account for filing differences between:
      /usr/share/fortune
      /usr/share/games/fortune

      So here's a solution that doesn't hammer the HD:

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    5. Re:comp house by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      If I buy a bunch of tenements, can I make a Beowulf cluster?

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    6. Re:comp house by tgrigsby · · Score: 1

      Or a truly active windshield display in the car.

      Two more words: truck, rock.

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  3. Hold on... by Quasar1999 · · Score: 1

    Is that transparent or translucent... cuz if it's transparent how the hell do you even know if they are there? Sounds like one hell of a good sales trick... "Trust me... it's there... now hand over the thousand bucks!" ;)

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  4. Re:Oh no! by trongey · · Score: 1

    They already do. Just look at the DVD screen in the car ahead of you.

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  5. house of porn by Class+Act+Dynamo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine that your house is your computer!

    Yes, now the whole neighborhood will know when I am looking at porn. This is a wonderful idea.

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    1. Re:house of porn by dhoonlee · · Score: 1

      We already know.

    2. Re:house of porn by Class+Act+Dynamo · · Score: 1

      Really? You know when? Are you my stalker?

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  6. What is wrong with these article writers?! by dcarey · · Score: 1

    There aren't any frigging pictures in this article (like many posted for /.)! Where is the love for geek pr0n?

    Might as well give us the info on a brand new linux distro with an outstanding desktop experience and then ... amazingly ... no pictures. Even Einstein gazed and was in awe of the night sky to his naked eye despite the more pragmatic applications of the universe. It's geek pr0n people! It rules! Give us pics!

    or something...

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    1. Re:What is wrong with these article writers?! by Lonesome+Squash · · Score: 5, Funny
      There aren't any frigging pictures in this article (like many posted for /.)!

      The product is transparent. Maybe the article was FULL of pictures. How would you know?

      Anyway, here's a pic for you:

      And now one from the side:

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    2. Re:What is wrong with these article writers?! by milgr · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:What is wrong with these article writers?! by f()bz · · Score: 1

      here are a few pertinent pics of diagrams and flow charts from the tokyo institute of technology:

      http://www.nanonet.go.jp/japanese/mailmag/2004/fil es/072a3.jpg

      http://www.nanonet.go.jp/japanese/mailmag/2004/072 a.html

  7. yes well by odyrithm · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Or a truly active windshield display in the car."

    your stuffed when it blue screens!

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    1. Re:yes well by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 1

      But at least you wouldn't be able to see rapidly approaching tree, it's a feature not a bug!

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    2. Re:yes well by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      How about "peril sensitive windshields"? They turn black when you're about to crash..

    3. Re:yes well by odyrithm · · Score: 1

      you should patent that idea! ;)

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  8. Tokyo Institute of Technology by NitsujTPU · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gooooooooooo TIT!

    1. Re:Tokyo Institute of Technology by RangerRick98 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reminds me of a friend of mine who goes to Dickinson. They printed up shirts to wear at the football games: "Go hard big Dick!"

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    2. Re:Tokyo Institute of Technology by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      You exposed their acronym malfunction.

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    3. Re:Tokyo Institute of Technology by jaeson · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, and they have a much better program than the Springfield Heights Insitute of Technology.

    4. Re:Tokyo Institute of Technology by kfg · · Score: 1

      Which makes me think of one of a potential problem with one of the blurb suggested uses:

      People who live in glass houses really shouldn't use them to display pr0n.

      KFG

    5. Re:Tokyo Institute of Technology by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hear the Farnsworth University of Covington, Kentucky has a nice program..

    6. Re:Tokyo Institute of Technology by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      Dickinson College in Pennsylvania. ...Teaneck? heh...heh... :)

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    7. Re:Tokyo Institute of Technology by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      My brother told me that when his school won the Fencing Championships, the team got shirts that read "National F***ing champions".

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  9. Prediction by Chairboy · · Score: 1

    The first big product using this technology will be a high end video card with some embedded LEDs for great justice.

    It will be targetted at case modders, but will appeal to everyone because it looks so damn sexy.

  10. Or... by blankinthefill · · Score: 1

    Imagine something truely usefull, like a display that a surgeon place over the patients body with possible realtime x-ray infromation and/or other stats, letting them whats really going on instead of working almost blind. Think really non-invasive surgury. This has some wonderfull potential, and not just for general use.

    1. Re:Or... by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 1

      Real time x-rays?? I'd rather just eat the bullet, it's quicker.

    2. Re:Or... by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's that kind of technology, it's already quite 'easy' to overlay infomration in that manner, suing lcd screens.

      This technology would appear to have the limited use of actually puting the CPU in the screen.

      Mostly this[the atrical] is just a 'wow look a totally transparent tablet pc', it would be just like having all those people standing behing you peeking at when your doing, except they can stand infront of you too.

      The real requirement would be where there are space or weight limits (a processor embeded into your glases for instance) or where close connectivity between the transparent thing and logical function is required... ummm... can't think of anything off of hand.

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    3. Re:Or... by jxyama · · Score: 1
      the required dose will probably overwhelm any benefit. given the state of radiology and imaging technologies available, as well as scopes and other optical devices around, i wouldn't say surgions are working "almost blind."

      there is one instance where the "surgery" is performed almost blind: radiation therapy. therapy machines need to be programmed ahead of time (due to the complexity of the treatment plans) and real-time feed back is still in its infancy. transparent circuits don't make much difference, though, because x-ray will go through it all anyway. :) flat panel x-ray detectors have made a huge difference in replacing film...

  11. Transparent Alluminum by coug_ · · Score: 1

    insert required Star Trek reference here

    1. Re:Transparent Alluminum by JPelorat · · Score: 1

      insert reminder of nullification of Godwin Law by self-reference

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    2. Re:Transparent Alluminum by NardofDoom · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Computer. Computer?"
      /holds mouse to face
      "Hello computer?"
      /sees keyboard "Ah, the keyboard. How quaint."

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  12. Uh oh... by spac3manspiff · · Score: 1

    So we're going to get new technology from a university named TIT? At least MIT sounds more prestigious.

    1. Re:Uh oh... by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      Is that why the Pennsylvania Institute of Technology is not famous yet?

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    2. Re:Uh oh... by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1


      obligatory...

      Get your MIT off my TIT!

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  13. The Inevitable by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and Apple will make a computer that looks like a big ice cube.

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    1. Re:The Inevitable by Reverend+Darkness · · Score: 1

      ...and Apple will make a computer that looks like a big ice cube.

      And it will be called the " iI " (pronounced Aye-Aye)

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    2. Re:The Inevitable by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      I'd buy one for the funkyness factor alone!

      Imagine being able to see the CDs spin around inside the cube!

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    3. Re:The Inevitable by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      It would be hell on Intel as it would sink the Itanic. or did that already sink?

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    4. Re:The Inevitable by RealAlaskan · · Score: 1
      ...and Apple will make a computer that looks like a big ice cube.

      And it will overheat, and the case will crack. And people will buy it anyway, just for the looks.

      Functional sculpture, at least until the case cracks disrupt the circuts.

    5. Re:The Inevitable by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1


      With the size reduction you could achieve, maybe not so big. Maybe with further advances we could have 1" square computers... and drop them in our Scotch... Imagine a Beowulf cluster of ice cubes in your Scotch... Hmm... heat dispersal problems... OK imagine a Beowulf cluster of ice cubes in your Hot Toddy.

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    6. Re:The Inevitable by geekoid · · Score: 1

      imagine how much you would care 2 minutes later.

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  14. Imagine... by fozzmeister · · Score: 1

    ...your next upgrade. erm we have a problem!

  15. What I never needed, electronic paper by NightEyes+Decorum · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Finally! Now the paper I buy at the story can get viruses too! Electronic paper, the last thing I ever thought I might want. But hey, there is a plus to this. We could develop see through clothes with built in heaters right? Back enough transistors into the cloth and it's like your standing inside of a space heater!

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    1. Re:What I never needed, electronic paper by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      I can almost hear the uproar when they get infected with a popup... sorry, 'Targeted User-Oriented Product Feedback Tool'

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  16. windshield circuit? by Mike+Bridge · · Score: 1

    i'm kinda leary of that, what happens if something cracks your windshield on the expressway and damages the circuits?

    1. Re:windshield circuit? by bdcrazy · · Score: 1

      You have to drive the old fashion way using your own judgement and experience?

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  17. Windshield display + Wifi + IEmobile = popup death by lateralus_1024 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine the horror of dying in a head on collision because a sudden and aggressive Ford popup ad took control of your car stereo's volume control and made you flinch.

    simulated film at eleven....

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  18. A little low... by Comatose51 · · Score: 1

    But I would hate to be from that school: Tokyo Institute of Technology. A MIT like naming scheme could be problematic...

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    1. Re:A little low... by ak_hepcat · · Score: 1

      You're probably glad you didn't graduate from the Cleveland Institue of Technology, then.

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    2. Re:A little low... by tritium6 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't compare to the Central Louisiana Institute of Technology

  19. Oh, great. by RealProgrammer · · Score: 1

    "Honey, have you seen my PDA?"

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  20. Professor Frink's alarm system by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 1

    will soon be a reality!

  21. Flatter Screen Monitors? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    This could have a good impact on flat screen technology where you put the electronics on the piece of glass/plastic the covers the LCD display. So you can probably make it 1/3 thiner by doubling the plastic cover with the circuit board.

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    1. Re:Flatter Screen Monitors? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Why not have a true 3d display cube comprising of lots of 2d screen layers?

      If it is indeed transparent, it shouldn't matter how many layers you have.

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  22. Re:Windshield display + Wifi + IEmobile = popup de by ebrandsberg · · Score: 1

    If I had the mod points I did yeterday, you would be moderated up. LOL! The unexpected effects of technology...

  23. Has to be said.. no not the usual but... by Colourspace · · Score: 1

    I can't see this happening.

  24. Movie Screens? by Undefined+Tag · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "...making it suitable for flat expanses of electronics such as massive display surfaces or walls with embedded networking" Sounds like they're talking about turning movie screens into giant processors.

    The question now is what would we want our movie screens to do?

    1. Re:Movie Screens? by NardofDoom · · Score: 1

      Check to see if we're videotaping the movie and alert the authorities?

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    2. Re:Movie Screens? by michrech · · Score: 1

      While I haven't read TFA, if the circuits are small enough, you could have the screen doing the video/audio decoding eleminating a small room full of audio/video gear. You would just need the amplifiers for the speakers plus the actuall interface (DVD drive, bank of HDD's, whatever) in the room, saving some space and possibly some heat. Havning never worked in a movie theater, I don't know how much heat is generated in the projection booth.

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  25. Life imitates art by prgrmr · · Score: 1

    Imagine that your house is your computer!

    Welcome to Dayworld, where your house and everything in it is integrated and on-line 24x7 (even if you aren't).

  26. Heating Systems by T-Kir · · Score: 1

    Imagine that, embed the processors into the radiators! If the house is getting a little cold, you know you need to turn on the SETI screensavers!

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  27. Whenever I hear... by Apparently+someone · · Score: 1

    ...about transparent circuits, I immediately think "wearable computing" and how I could watch the stock ticker scrolling accross my boss' secretary's...

    Ah, never mind.

  28. Re:Can see it now... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    Make sure someone doesn't install a backdoor.

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  29. Windshield by LordEd · · Score: 1

    "Or a truly active windshield display in the car" I'd hate to get a rock chip while i'm playing solitaire.

  30. I can have this NOW! by brakk · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    ...because my house isn't transparent.

  31. Cost by kmahan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm sure this will do wonders for the already outrageous cost of windshield replacements.

    And of course there will be the whole aftermarket of MOD'd windshields.

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    1. Re:Cost by terpdotter · · Score: 1

      I can just picture the headline . . . FBI raids autoshop in windshield modding scheme.

  32. mmm.... transparent wireless webcams... by phyruxus · · Score: 1
    Now they'll have to sweep for bugs in the locker rooms. Is that a drop of water or is someone watching us?

    I'm sure the paranoid among us will now be able to associate any two conspiracies.

    Therapist: Yes, but how could the mafia know about your abduction by the aliens under the instruction of NATO?
    'noid: Transparent wireless webcams, man! They're like, freakin' everywhere!

    Remember, just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean there isn't an army of invisible psychic ninjas watching your every... (*****) sorry, the army of invisible psychic ninjas has warned me to discontinue this message.

    Where's my lithium...

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  33. The Book of Alexandriaou by corinroyal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Imagine sheets of this stuff in a book, with a HD, RAM, CPU, wireless nic in the spine. Now you have a book that is any book. No more scrolling, and loosing your place. You use a familliar and powerful user interface that's been with us since the scroll days. Remember what page youre on. Open right to the spot, instead of clicking and scrolling all day. The worst thing about computers today is the display technology. I want digital wallpaper. Watch movies on your living room wall. Setup a slow, subtle screensaver pattern for ur cieling for a date (you remember dates don't you?). Couple this with voice control, and you have one better than Captain Picard's viewscreen (except you don't have his processor, knowledge base, or storage capacity). Make it so.

  34. Tokyo Institute of Technology by divirg · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the Tokyo Institute of Technology uses the same acronym convention as the Massachusettes Institute of Technology...

  35. Re:Chinese Spies: Something Not Funny by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    Maybe they'll think "What the hell is the Canadian State Department?" (We keep changing department names every few years to confuse spies and Canadians, but it's never been called that.)

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  36. Windows Crashed (OBLIGARTORY) by Eclypser · · Score: 1

    Gives new meaning to windows crashing.

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  37. high tech mirrors by Gadgetfreak · · Score: 1

    Personally, I've always wanted to see high tech rear view mirrors in cars. Perhaps something that could display the view from an IR camera at night, and act like a normal mirror during the day. Just one of many ideas.

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  38. truly incredible potential. by Brigadier · · Score: 1



    I can only imagine what the likes of steve jobs would do with this. You recall the scene from the matrix in zion control tower with the clear touch screens. clear palm pilots which resemble just a rectangulat peice of glass. eye glasses which can show tactical info without any wires going back to a cpu. just two wires through either side of the frame.

  39. TIT t-shirt... by capsteve · · Score: 1

    i alway thought the tokyo institue of technology should have t-shirts with TIT emblazed in big bold collegiate letters with one of those spikey circle thingies behind the lettering... their official logo/seal looks like the robot from castle in the sky.

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  40. Where... by mrshoe · · Score: 1

    did I put the TV remote?!

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  41. Hmm. This story looks remarkably... by Eric+Smalley · · Score: 1

    ... like the story we reported, wrote, edited and produced over at TRN.

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  42. Old recies peanut butter cups comercial by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

    Hey you got Windows in my computer....

    Hey you got computers in my Windows....

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    1. Re:Old recies peanut butter cups comercial by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

      My windows are running windows.

  43. Re:Chinese Spies: Something Not Funny by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

    Yeah, casue the only country to ever use something for spying was China. Look at all the advanced technology the US has made to be a ble to spy on other countries, the SR-71 for example, my favorite plane. Not that I have anything wrong with spying, like Like President Regan said, "Trust but verify."

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  44. Begin the obligatory "Windows" jokes... by kidMike · · Score: 1

    - Peeping Toms would be convicted of port scanning.
    - "My Windows blue-screened, I have to go sweep up the pieces now."
    - "I can't see outside right now, somebody's D.O.S.-ing my house..."
    - Hate cleaning windows? Do it the easy way: C:\> CLS
    - "Windows crashed" takes on a whole new meaning.
    - Think how drafty (and unsecure!) your house would be with all those holes in your Windows.
    - There's some kind of a Trojan joke here, but I can't put it together...

    OK, I'm tired of this now. Someone else's turn...

    kM

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  45. I can see it now... by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 1

    "The kids next door put a softball through my window and wiped out my entire MP3 collection!"

  46. Re:Obligatory by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

    You had me at "Obligatory"...

  47. what is new about this? by Theolojin · · Score: 1

    Uh...using a windshield to store information such as, say, secret plans for a car, is not new. Sheesh. This was done back in the late 60's. Right, Chim Chim?

    See? Technology follows fiction. Or something.

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  48. Imagine that your house is your computer! by pmbuko · · Score: 4, Funny

    The last thing I need is all my windows crashing.

  49. Heads Up! by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Before we get integrated windshield displays, we should get at least informational GPS/sensor guidance that warns the driver the moment they stray off the roomy straight and narrow. The first "active windscreens" should disply *only* that warning info, so car culture has a chance to integrate the safety features, well before the distracting features that make these safetey features absolutely necessary come online. Just like we all learn to drink, before we learn to drive, right USans?

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  50. Traffic lights go IN the car (sayin' it again) by shpoffo · · Score: 1

    I've said it before (and before that too), and I'll say it again: The traffic lights go in the cars, not on the street. Trains already do this.

    As soon as the assessed risk of malicious-hacker-induced auto accidents falls below that of our present streetlight system then this new system will manifest.

    What are the impediments to this process? What data would be needed to model the risk of both systems?

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  51. Alien technology by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

    Those Japanese people are amazing! Who needs alien technology?

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    1. Re:Alien technology by nostromo.operator · · Score: 1

      Lockheed Martin, Science applications International corp, Northrop Grumman Corperation, Raytheon Company... that is who.

    2. Re:Alien technology by stanmann · · Score: 1

      They aren't aliens if they stay in Japan.

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  52. flexibility issues by gaber1187 · · Score: 1

    In the article on nature, they mention that it decreases its channel conductance after bending once, and then it stabilizes. However, my experience with ITO films is that they crack after lots of bending and become unreliable. this is not the same as ITO, but I suspect it may have the same problems.
    Polymers can handle the bending because they are long chains that overlap with each other and maintain conductivity during bending quite easily, although the conductivity is still quite low compared to copper.
    I am waiting for the technology of Eikos to hit the market, which is based on carbon nanotubes and can be actually folded and still conducts.

  53. Forget "active windshield display", what I want is by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 1

    an embedded heating element in the front windshield just like comes standard in all cars for the rear windshield!! For that matter, what's wrong with existing technology to provide that? Those lines don't impair my vision out the back of the car, so why think they would impair vision out the front of the car? Or is there another reason altogether (such as it might weaken the forward windshield enough that it was unsafe -- to which I'd reply "then make it thicker!" -- etc.?)

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  54. Cool! by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

    Now those transparent card shaped computer components on Star Trek are one step closer to reality!

  55. It's Maximillian! by i41Overlord · · Score: 1

    It's Maximillian from The Black Hole!

    http://www.neweyestudio.com/ebayE/ebe376.jpg

  56. Re:Chinese Spies: Something Not Funny by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but SR-71s suck. they don't have anything that goes VRRRRRRRRRRRP. Your A-10, that's baby.

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  57. Or... by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

    We could have transparent aluminum!!!

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  58. Tron question by SuperBigGulp · · Score: 1

    Will this help me see the Tron guys on motorcyles inside my computer? Cause right now they're tiny and they keep hiding inside capacitors.

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  59. Transparent Alumnium by ValuJet · · Score: 1

    Transparent alumnium held a lot of promise and was developed in the 1980s by a Professor Scott

  60. How about we remove all these driver distractions? by i41Overlord · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I keep hearing all this feel-good nonsense pushed by companies trying to sell these gadgets.

    They keep saying that this new technology will make drivers safer. Yet in reality when this stuff comes to the market, people just find a way to use this stuff that makes them WORSE drivers!

    Remember when LCD screens were going to help people navigate? Now they end up missing their turn because they're busy watching TV on the screen that's supposed to be giving them directions.

    Remember when cell phones would make travelling safer because you could call a tow truck from the side of the road? Now people just chat away on their phone while driving and they don't pay attention to the road. After they ram their 5,000 lb SUV into a wall they'll need the tow truck for sure, now.

    How about we remove all these distractions and make people actually DRIVE their car! While these gadgets have *potential* good uses, in reality nothing is more dangerous than a person not paying attention to what they're doing.

    Keep real safety features on a car and do away with the things that make them more dangerous. No watching TV while you're driving, no playing video games, no talking on the phone. Drive.

  61. Re:Forget "active windshield display", what I want by xenoandroid · · Score: 1

    The lines would impair vision in the front because you're a lot closer to it and so the lines will appear thicker. Also you move a lot faster going forward than in reverse, you should be looking further ahead when driving so you know how to react when you get to that point and of course the further ahead you're looking the smaller things appear. Lines will get in the way.

  62. Bandgap/-structure? by sploxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how they accomplish this... since a material which is transparent for optical photons should have a very high bandgap (>4eV), i.e. should behave much like an isolator at room temperature.
    Has anyone more information about that?

  63. Upgrades by confusion · · Score: 1
    I am *not* looking foreward to upgrading the windows in my house every 2 years.

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  64. Re:Forget "active windshield display", what I want by MindTwister82 · · Score: 1

    I think its because of the distraction, there is no way the heating element can be placed and not distract you, the reason why you can easily use it in the rear windshield is because you dont need that much of a focus through it and because its futher away it the lines appear smaller. I believe the best excample is bathroom tiles, if you stare at them long enough you get that wonderfull 3D experience that was so popular some years ago, now imagine that while doing 60mp/h (about and around 100km/h for us metric people) or more. Now, one might argue that only happens if the lines are vertical. Then what about horizontal, well, I simply forgot how to argue against that one, but I'm pretty sure I knew how. *sigh*

  65. This is Cool..... by nzNick · · Score: 1

    OK - I admit that using this in the windscreen of a car would be a stupid idea in the most part.....

    however, I am thinking of very cheap 200in flat/flexable screens :-)

    Projectors have too many problems - very expensive bulbs, sensitive to stray light.... this would allow you to "roll-up" your screen and carry it with you.

    The other point i nthe artils was "electronic paper" and the concept of an e-book. I hate reading electronic books as it is too hard to sit on the bus, on the beach (with a beer) and read something - paper is much more user friendly - a Good quality - high res e-book would be very cool.

  66. wrong by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First off the tax break was initially for Vans and trucks.
    The goal of the break was to allow farmers and small business witht here purches of need equipment. At that time SUV's were nowhere near the weight they are today, and they weren't seen as a status symbol.
    SO the tax break is not now, not has it ever been for 'SUVs'.

    They have since changed that tax break considerably.

    "...but that would mean inconveniencing SUV users a bit which is the last thing the US wants to do."

    Where is your logic in that?
    Why would that be true? Get off your knee jerk High horse.

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    1. Re:wrong by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      Why would that be true? Get off your knee jerk High horse.

      Except that he's dead right. Car manufacturers have been abusing the *FUEL ECONOMY* exemptions set out for "light utility vehicles". And our cowardly government has shyed away from the problem.

      After the 73 oil crisis people realized, "Hey, a small group of countries in the middle east can bring our economy to a standstill. We need to stop that." So the government started regulating fuel efficency in cars. What later came to be called the "SUV" was born when companies realized all they had to do was call a car a utility vehicle and it could get 10 miles to the gallon instead of 25.

      So here, 30 years later, we in the US are completly subjigated by Saudi Arabia (clearly played a large role in Sep 11th, did we do anything?), and Mexico (3 million illegal immigrants *THIS YEAR* -- 10% of mexico has immigrated illegally to the US -- they are basically dumping their poor on us) who sell us oil and in the case of Mexico, steeply discounted oil. And no small thanks goes to companies like Ford, Chevy, GM, who chased profits at the expense of national security, and our government of fools, whose done nothing about it.

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    2. Re:wrong by AndyL · · Score: 1

      "Where is your logic in that?"
      The logic is that SUVs are the only type of vehical the American automobile industry consistantly turns a profit on.

      And if people stoped buying SUVs all those Mexicans that make American cars would be out of a job!

  67. well by geekoid · · Score: 1

    I, for one, would get one of these for my license plate as well...

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  68. uhhm... by nostromo.operator · · Score: 1

    try http://www.seaspower.com/

  69. Re:Forget "active windshield display", what I want by tricops · · Score: 1

    There is another reason. It adds to the cost a fair bit. Rear windshields are more expensive to replace, but due to their location in the rear they do not need to be replaced nearly as often as the front.

    That's the way someone explained it to me, anyway... makes some sense...

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  70. bored in class? by 6M4N · · Score: 1

    hmm if only this tech had been around when i was in high school... just sit there in class with your sunglasses on, watching a movie while bullshitting some bio test :D

  71. Irony of cubicles by glassesmonkey · · Score: 1

    Cube farms will be replaced with phonebooth farms. Many employess are in fact poking the walls in a vain attempt to escape, some employees, however, are actually working on their computers.

  72. Furman University Christian Knights by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

    There's a Christian university someplace called Furman University. Supposedly one of their sports teams used to be called the Christian Knights, but now it's just the Paladins.

  73. Turing...you know, Alan... as in "Church-Turing" by narcc · · Score: 1

    I don't know if I'm Turing dreaming I'm a window, or a window dreaming that I'm Turing!

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  75. Re:The funny Part is that this will work. by jamesh · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure exactly how much i'd relax if my windscreen went opaque though.