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Demolition writes "The latest release of the iPod-Linux Installer has been reviewed on Accelerate Your Mac!, a popular Mac performance/modification site. As mentioned in previous Slashdot articles, the iPodLinux Project is an open source venture devoted to porting Linux to Apple's iPod. In a nutshell, the reviewer finds that the iPodLinux Project has progressed a long way from its early proof-of-concept days."
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Am I the only one seeing the IPOD going the way of POG in a few years? Still this has some interesting implications.
If people find out they might have the ability to do ohh so much more with they're $200+ toys, and they make it easy enough to port linux(has to be idiot proof), then we may find Linux getting much more exposure in pop culture. Unfortunately, I doubt they'll be able to make it user friendly enough.
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Whahuh? When did this happen?
From the "because you can, and really no other reason" department.
More like from the "counting the days until the lawsuit" department.
Pros: Expandability! This Linux thing is just gonna get bigger and bigger, baby. Linux will allow the iPod to live on and grow for years to come. This Linux thing? Is this the first time the author has ever heard of Linux?
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Not at full speed with the current software. It needs optimisation, or at least better buffering.
It would be possible to get third-party support for formats that are not officially supported, such as RealMedia or Microsoft DRM-protected audio files. Additionally the dial interface lends itself to use for reading e-book or USENET newsgroups, or for keeping an address book, phonebook, or the days events in your pocket.
However, I wonder if the GPL would create problems in this sort of environment -- presumably there is content that is not open on the player that would be necessary to incorporate into this project. Perhaps it would be wiser to adopt something Open Source such as OpenBSD instead; it's a text-only environment, so the lack of graphical support would be a minor problem at best, and it contains a good deal of security features that would be beneficial should wired applications for this new platform be developed after this project takes off.
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the best part, what I would say, is that, you can now easily play .ogg files on iPod. and also .wma and other audio formats supported in linux. Then there's also video on ipod like everyone wishes for.
If there are some formats that don't play then that's allright as the support will come when they are popular enough and anyway there are allready more open source players than for any other device. for ex linux can do hundreds of formats but most mp3 players can do only say 4 or 5.
Also ipod photo with linux and mplayer or xine or vlc and you will have your video ipod and eat it too.
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Not really. This is a very important project because there are several autonomous surveillance vehicles (ASVs) which will be deployed by the military that use the same basic architecture of the iPod for one of their flight control systems. It turns out that for long transcontinental flights, the little Lego pilot inside the ASV needs about 10 hours of music to keep him alert during the mission. Porting Linux to the iPod ensures that ASVs will be able to fly long after the iPod craze peters out and Apple goes out of business.
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you can now easily play .ogg files on iPod. and also .wma and other audio formats supported in linux.
Not necessarily. Is the iPod fast enough for the Tremor decoder? And isn't the .wma decoder written in x86 assembly language, which the ARM processors in the iPod do not run at full speed?
I think they were hosting the site on an iPod.
I want an iPod with a 512x384 display, emulating a Mac Plus (except with much more RAM.)
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But what if you want to put 40/80 GB of your music collection on a music player? What if you don't want to have to remove/upload music every time you wanted to hear something different? I know that even at 128kbps 1gb isn't a whole lot of music.
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Just like they did with RealNetworks, Apple will probably put the kibosh on this project with a firmware upgrade or legal buffoonery. I don't know why so many Slashdotters like Apple; they do not support or sell Free Software and they do little to contribute to the FS/OSS community. For as much as they take from FreeBSD, they give nothing back. And if you start going on about Darwin being open-source, keep in mind that Darwin has no practical use beyond its basis for OS X.
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Apple is not our friend. You might like their fancy computers and software, but never forget that they are a proprietary hardware and software company.
Now watch the Apple zealots mod this down for being anti-Apple.
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I mean, my GOD. It's almost like NetBSD. Next thing you know, there'll be Linux vibrators!
Hmm...
Suddenly I want to be a sysadmin!
Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
Playing compressed video on a 33MHz ARM with no real graphics buffer, sounds completely possible!
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it's actually quite cool, and extremely easy to install. i just wish it was as easy to get IP over firewire so i could ssh (or telnet) into the thing. i know it is quite possible on linux, but on OSX it is tricky and that is my ipod connectivity.
Troll? Please. I must have missed the memo where any usefulness of this hack is explained past the part that says, "because we can".
Because the interface could use some improvement. Scrolling song names when browsing would be great. It's really annoying to have 5 things in a list with the only way to tell them apart being to play them.
-matt
In a nutshell, the reviewer finds that the iPodLinux Project has progressed a long way from its early proof-of-concept days.
Looks like it has support for the "back" and "stop" buttons. Support for the "play" button should be available shortly. But it plays OGG!
Ipod Linux has been out for a long time. In fact, I think I'm gonna go boot it now. Ogg files run ok... but its got good FLAC support.
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The iPod is definitely fast enough to handle ogg vorbis. The problem is just that the iPod has two different processors, which the tremor decoder wasn't designed for (or anything else except the original Apple firmware). Linux on iPod currently doesn't use the second processor except for some very basic stuff.
So if I run a thousand of these in parallel do I get a microcomputer instead of a supercomputer?
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Since every time a media player is mentioned on /., and this is an iPod running Linux, and 95% of my collection is in ogg, etc. I've karma whore by posting this link to the currently /.ed iPod Linux Wiki FAQ. In short, here's the answer, and there is no reason, from either the site or TFA to change it (TFA says nothing about ogg.) No mailing list or forums available.
Note: Linux != ogg. If your iPod runs linux, that does not mean everything you can run in mplayer will suddenly work on your iPod as some seem to be suggesting.
Short version (from the Wiki):
Is there an OGG player?
The Tremor (http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/) player is running at about 80% real-time.
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Unless Apple comes out with it soon this could be a huge feature for iPodLinux, iPod to iPod transfers are still being worked on however, maybe next year.
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If you didn't have that 'LOL' tacked on at the end, you'd probably have a +5 Insightful comment here. However, since this has remained at 0 for more than an hour, I think you must have confused the moderators. "Hmmm, sounds insightful but it might be a trap! Better leave it alone lest my moderating priveledges be damned to hell by m2."
There are several nice disk-based MP3/ogg players out there that already run Linux out of the box. You can save yourself a lot of trouble, get a more functional device, and support FOSS by buying one of those. Apple's iPod just isn't built for Linux and Apple clearly doesn't want you to run a FOSS OS on it (otherwise they would have shipped it with one).
I agree, but for a different reason: why Linux? Why not some lighterweight OS than the Linux 2.4.x kernel?
a t-neat stories as much as the next Slashdotter. But I do have to scratch my head on this one.
Don't get me wrong; I like the oh-look-someone-ported-Linux-to-a-toaster-isnt-th
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No amount of buffering will help a source that cannot generate information as quickly as it is consumed. With a decoder running at 80% of real time, it needs to buffer at least 20% before starting to play (assuming that the UI and playback consumes no CPU power at all) to avoid gaps during a song. If all your songs are each 3 minutes long, you'll wait at least 36 seconds in between songs.
Right, because these guys, who have no connection to Apple, and are themselves asking for donations to buy more iPods to add support, have the power to make that happen. :rolleyes:
Apple is not our friend. You might like their fancy computers and software, but never forget that they are a proprietary hardware and software company.
Since when is "friend" defined as non-commercial? Also are you incapable of having friends that do not share your religion? Most of us are not that narrow minded.
Apple promotes Unix on the consumer desktop. Apple increases the acceptance of FreeBSD by using it for portions, Darwin, of their operating system. Although they do not have to, BSD license, they are "good citizens" and make their changes available to the public. Apple has open sourced it's formerly proprietary file system code. They provide a free development environment with their systems. They actively work with Terra Soft to make a version of Linux, Yellow Dog, available for Apple hardware.
The fact that they do not open source all their code, their GUI in particular, does not make them an enemy. The fact that they do not support some people's pet music formats does not make them an enemy. The fact that their mission is not to promote all things open source does not make them an enemy. They seem happy to coexist, and to work with open source when appropriate.
Now watch the Apple zealots mod this down for being anti-Apple
Actually there is no shortage of legitimate reasons to mod you down.
please, tell me this? Why would you think "Slashdotters" wouldn't/shouldn't like Apple in the first place, considering the size and relative diversity of this "community"?
The only machine I use anymore than runs Linux at all is my MythTV box in my home entertainment center, and I'm just about to can it (too much instability with my particular hardware configuration, and I lack time to fight with it any further right now). Nonetheless, I'm still pretty much a daily Slashdot reader.
With your logic (Apple is not our friend, simply because they build/sell a proprietary product), absolutely none of us should ever tolerate a game console. Sega, X-Box, Playstation, GameCube... all the same. Evil, proprietary hardware and software bundled together in all of them!
Considering my years and years of trying to run Linux, along with a long period of avidly using OS/2 Warp, a brief stint working with BeOS, and running pretty much every flavor of Windows (and DOS before that), I think I'm far from the stereotypical "Mac zealot" - yet I do own a total of 3 Macs now (one is an older beige G3 all-in-one, but it still runs!). I'd have to say my experience with the Macs and primarily OS X is more enjoyable overall than practically all the other operating systems I worked with. Sure, it's not "free software" and *far* from free/cheap hardware, but I feel like I got my money's worth.
Linux was just the thing when I needed dedicated servers (web, ftp, etc.), but as a workstation, it's still lackluster for me. I have no problem paying out some money for a commercial (proprietary, even) product when it works as-advertised. Macs generally do.
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Actually, I did think of it first.
When I was buying my iPod, I thought "Damn, I wish this was cheaper. Maybe those iPodLinux guys should do somehting about that."
Oh wait. No, I didn't. Because that's dumb.
I notice it records 44.1 kHz uncompressed RAW, doesn't say how many bits, and it's only mono. If only the iPods could record CD quality stereo, it would be the ultimate concert bootleg tool. I suspect Apple deliberately built in this limitation, they knew someone would crack this device eventually.
first off the links are for the ipodlinuxinstaller which is based on the actual ipodlinux which is based on the microwindows project. Ipod linux installer seems to be a vanilla "I want cash give me cash so i can port software someone else wrote to your ipod... only i'm not going to actually do that, but when the guys really doing the porting do the work i might pur thier code up here"... project.
Basically its a guy whining for cash to buy an ipod, because his free ipod link didn't work.
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Exactly.
Why?
Their FAQ seems to be missing a serious question... Can I install this on my ipod without using a mac runnning osX? I'd be interested to check out their project, especially since a big drop fuxored my ipod hd requiring me to custom partition around the corruption in order to even use it as a small firewire drive. But, if I have to get access to somethign that boots osX just to install linux on my ipod I just don't think it's gonna happen. You'd think that they'd make the installer run under linux..
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Sounds like the iPod will trump the USB external master storage device that slashdot just recently mentioned to us. Wouldn't it be cool to be able to move media from a USB all-in-one media reader to the iPod directly without the need of a computer? You could be taking pictures with a 16megapixel Canon and not worry about storage space as long as you have your iPod around. I'm gonna keep my eye on the development of this program. On top of that, recording audio with the left earphone bud is also another cool feature.
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There's an easy to use installer for Mac and Windows. For Linux it's currently in the stage of "we assume you know what you're doing" sort of thing. Basically it's a simple as building a disk image with the right stuff and dd'ing it to the thing. I suggest reading the forums at the ipodlinux site.
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The short version of the state of iPodLinux: It does work, and shows a lot of potential, but it's not quite useful as the sole OS for your iPod yet.
:)
A lot of development has been focused on the eye candy. Games, interface, that sort of thing.
What is really needed is some kernel and hardware hacker type guys who can get stuff working underneath all the interface and eye candy so as to make it actually useful for everyday use. Case in point: The iPod has a dual processor sort of thing. In the Apple firmware, the secondary processor is more or less devoted to audio decoding. That's not yet working on the iPodLinux kernel, instead the second processor is heavily underused and thus it's basically incapable of playing back high bitrate MP3s or AACs or things along those lines. Sorting that out would be a big step.
Looks and such are easy to program (hard to get right, but easy to actually do). Getting the thing to live up to its maximum potential is the hard part.
Help is gladly accepted, BTW.
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The iPod doesn't need to have Ogg support just because you want it to.
Where did all the demoscene coders go ? Did they all go out and get jobs ? Honestly, those guys could have the iPod playing .ogms with subs.
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Although it's a plausable goal, it doesn't seam to be in high demand. If even 20% of iPod users wanted different firmware, the project would take off quickly once the initial reverse-engineering was done, and by now we would have mplayer and an mp3/ogg/acc/wma player with color visualizations and sync with music libraries of WMP, winamp and xmms.
As it is, the project's contributors page only lists 3 developers. Seams an overwhelming majority of people are satisfied with Apple's firmware.
Besides, you can recompress oggs into high bit rate AACs. Sure, there will be a quality loss, but are your headphones that good?
Uh, apparently these people don't like Referer: slashdot.org. Just copy and paste the URL: http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Contributors
well I have a 386sx/25 from around 1989 - "it still runs", but I wouldnt exactly call that a major feature.
G3 hardware is considerably more fragile than PC hardware and is lucky to still run after a few years?
You, sir, are an idiot.
Which version of the iPod do you have? My iPod Photo does exactly what you're saying doesn't happen to yours.
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Slashdot readers using 7 year-old kiddie-txt shorthand? When did this happen?
Why not read the article before boosting your total ignorance? Maybe that could give you some clues.
More codecs
More games
Better connectivity
recording capabilities
Not to mention Linux is about 500 times more advanced than ipods normal firmware. Also you don't have to buy a new ipod to update to the latest firmware.
Of course some of these things are in its infancy, but thats how open source software works. At some point they might get there and have everyting working.
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And isn't the .wma decoder written in x86 assembly language, which the ARM processors in the iPod do not run at full speed?
/. IIRC that told the chip that does the interfaces (and runs Linux) indeed can't decode Ogg in real-time..
Well, there are many portable players with WMA support already, so it seems there's more than just x86 code for it. (But that code is indeed not likely to be open source...)
Anyway, AFAIK the iPod has a separate chip (DSP?) for the audio decoding. It's not very easy to program that one. And some time ago there was a post on
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That's very perceptive of you Mr Stapleton and rather unexpected in a G Major
Maybe you're just trolling, but do you have any idea how many companies have been selling portable DVD players for several years now?
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The iPod doesn't need to have Ogg support just because you want it to.
Which is exactly why this is a useful project.
An OSS project like this is about being freed from Apple's self-interest.
You are right, Apple doesn't need to provide Ogg support because they are doing fine without providing it.
But if someone else wants Ogg support and is willing/capable of making it happen, they can.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
Think for a moment. What about the people who aren't buying iPod BECAUSE it is restricted and can't play the formats they want? Or doesn't have the features they want? That's me.
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a EULA for hardware? I've never seen one of those before. All the hardware I've seen is intended to be purchased, not licensed.
Also, EULAs are for End Users. Maybe Apple has some methods at its disposal to prevent third parties from writing alternative OS's, but those methods have nothing to do with any EULAs.
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I bet $5 it has more horsepower than the machines first used for Unix - specifically over 10 times the power of a PDP11/40.
Using shell commands might be tricky though!
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OGG is gaining popularity very quickly. Have a search on $YOUR_FAVORITE_P2P_NETWORK for ogg, and have a look how many people care about it.
In comparison to wma, even musepack is more widely used. Ogg is easily the second most popular codec after mp3, beating aac in popularity on the typical desktop.
Apple *needs* ogg support to satisfy those people and for the record flac as well. The Karma has flac support as well as ogg, so I know what I and pretty much anyone who cares about sound quality will be getting.
They can't have a very high opinion of slashdot readers... slashdot referrals are blocked! Mind you they can't be far off; the site is still up so it seems to be thwarting enough of us ;-)
Yes, its been asked several times but I still don't see a good answer beyond ' its cool ', or ' because we can'.
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With the site being pounded into oblivion at the moment, what is the PRACTICAL reason for this?
What does it get me? New formats? ( I only use MP3 format now.. ) Better interface? ( that would be a hard one to accomplish )
If you tell me its going to 'make it into a real computer', then no thanks.. my PDA does that now and has INPUT
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well, programming with familiar libraries, filesystem, and system hooks is a good enough reason for that... imo.
plus, there's already a bunch of lightweight programs and audio decoders for ucLinux
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hehe apples self interest ? most consumers wouldn't know what the fuck ogg vorbis is , let alone care that they can't play it.
That is not what this is about.
It is about the people who do know what the fuck ogg vorbis is, and want it on their iPod. Instead of whining about it, they are hacking away so that they can have it.
Apple doesn't give a shit about ogg, that's what I meant about Apple's self interest - if they needed ogg to sell more, they would include it. They don't, so they don't include it.
Oh wait, I forgot that I'm not supposed to feed the trolls....
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
4G 20gig. I'm talking about in the list of songs itself, not while the song is playing. It's quite possible that they updated it for the iPod photo, everyone I know who has an iPod lists that as one of their biggest complaints.
-matt
Yes, they are, thank you for asking.
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We at Terra Soft (Yellow Dog Linux, Y-HPC) have managed to get our OS booting off an iPod connected as a firewire drive. We plan to sell them someday... we just haven't gotten around to it.
It's great, cuz you don't have to mess with your internal hard drive to try Linux.
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Well, why aren't you contributing to iPod-Linux? Perhaps people like you want a different device - like a portable video player, a PDA or a cellphone - rather than just a different firmware.
...that I knew enough about programming in linux to create some nice DJ tools for the iPod, and/or had the time to learn it. Nothing super fancy but a "press the middle button to the beat" BPM calculator, live queuing and some sort of pitch/tempo control. Two of those hooked up to a mixer and BLAM.
Im sort of disappointed that Apple didn't add some more dj-friendly features but then I guess dj's arent really the target market.
You misunderstand... I see DVD-video players often. I see portable CD-players often... and portable cd-mp3 players often. I have not seen portable audio disc players that read DVDs. I.e. a portable DVD player with no video screen.
I have seen car DVD decks that can do DVD but I'm not sure how well you can operate them without an external screen.
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OK, I guess it's theoretically possible, but iPodLinux uses the Linux framebuffer device, which the free BSD unixes do not have.
ucLinux (microLinux) is a version of Linux designed specifically for embedded applications. Linux is pretty light-weight anyway, but ucLinux can run on a 286. What would you recommend as free alternative? There aren't many, and kernel performance seems to be perfectly sufficient here. (Note that the machine sports a corpulent 32MB of RAM).
Almost nobody who understands the business model of a proprietary software vendor (e.g., Microsoft) considers this model to be anything but evil -- the exceptions are mostly neo-liberal assholes*. Slashdot is special in that a good portion of its denizens do understand this business model (a small but influential portion). This is ironic because Slashdot's business model is not dissimilar, at least in terms of economics, but Slashdot is not comparable for other reasons.
Apple's business model is not less evil than Microsoft's, but they do less evil because they have less power. They also produce a far superior product, and this is why slashdotters, capable of recognizing it, flock to them. However, making a superior product does not excuse evil. Your argument is therefore entirely moot. Microsoft's product is only getting better, and I think it is reasonable to expect it to be the technical equal of GNU/Linux within the next few years. They will still be evil, though, and not worthy of support. Buying from Microsoft -- or even Apple -- is like crossing a picket line. Viewed in isolation, it's a fair trade, labor for wages, money for software. Viewed from a global perspective, it only gives power to a group that will use it for exploitation -- including the exploitation of the individual who believes he benefits. Thus, even if Apple or Microsoft produces a superior product, and even if you apparently benefit from buying it, in the end you detriment the world of software users as a whole.
Now I will be concrete. It is because of people like you that I cannot play quicktime movies. Cut it out, jerkface.
* Not all neo-liberals are assholes, and not all neo-liberal assholes are pro-Microsoft. But all pro-Microsoft neo-liberals are assholes.
Ok, I follow your logic - but I vehemently disagree with it!
I suppose we'll have to simply agree to disagree here -- but IMHO, the lifeblood of our nation's economic system DEMANDS that people building superior products (and offering superior services) be free to earn as much money as they can make. (That includes the consumer feeling free to spend his/her money on said products and services.)
By buying and benefiting from the products companies like Apple (or even Microsoft) build and sell, I'm hardly causing "detriment" to the world of software users as a whole. Au contraire, I'm helping a LARGE number of people retain gainful employment in the field of software development and hardware design!
I fully agree that large companies (Microsoft being one of the top offenders) often end up making less than ethical business decisions. The right way for a "free country" to handle this is to address the specific issues, without tossing out the "baby with the bathwater". Microsft deserves legal punishment for specific laws they break, when and if they break them. Same goes for Apple or anyone else. That doesn't mean consumers should feel "guilty" for buying their products. Several of my personal friends held jobs at Microsoft, including one guy who raised and supported his entire family by helping write software for them. I fail to see what's so inherently "evil" about that!
Hm, I just checked with a friend who has a 4G as well, guess it's new for the iPod photo.
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A capitalist economy is built around the premise of competition. Apple's business strategy is fundamentally at odds with this economic model -- their strategy is based to the core around monopoly. This monopoly is not complete, but that only means it is less successfully exploitative -- not less exploitative.
Apple hardware does not need to be superior to succeed -- in fact, in terms of price performance it is massively inferior. It succeeds owing to monopoly. Our economic system would collapse if all industries supported the type of monopoly tactics that are available to proprietary software vendors. (The retail market is open to similar exploitation, and the results are becoming progressively more devastating).
This is not a matter of business decisions or even strategy, but of the fundamental business model. Apple makes money by using software to create a hardware monopoly. That is their business model. Without the hardware monopoly, they could not be profitable. They aren't breaking the law. However, there is absolutely no reason, in a free market, to allow certain corporations to withhold the information necessary to allow any competing products to be created. Doing so allows them to make more money, but at the expense of everything that is good about a free market.If I wanted to invest $10M into making a much-improved version of Mac OS X, or Windows XP, this would simply be illegal. Meanwhile, Apple and Microsoft, respectively, are free to do such things. This is not free competition in any meaningful sense. The consumer does not have a free choice of who will patch bugs in his operating system, etc. This is not a free market.
Free markets work for commodities. Free markets don't work for monopolies, because in a monopoly there is no market -- there is one supplier. Allowing this one supplier to be free does not provide any of the benefits of allowing an entire market of suppliers to be free.
That can be said about any corporation, any government, or any army.It's a great achievement, and fun to play with, but it's not quite there yet. Maybe in a few months.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
The donations collected from the installer site go to the main iPod Linux fund, which will be used to purchase a 4G iPod. The lead developer, Bernard Leach, has put a huge amount of time and effort into getting Linux to work on 1G, 2G, and 3G iPods. The main stumbling block to a 4G port is that neither he nor any other major developer has access to a 4G iPod. It makes perfect sense for people to try and buy one to help further development.
Also, FWIW, posting free iPod links is a good way to get banned from the iPod Linux forums.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
No, I don't think I really did "entirely miss the point". I still beg to differ.
... the money donated to charitable causes by Bill and Melinda Gates .... even the mere fact that they push others to do better... (Say what you like about their products, but I still find it "interesting" that so much effort and interest was generated in the Linux community over finding a way to make a satisfactory "clone/work-alike" of Outlook, and to achieve inter-operability with Microsoft Exchange server. If the MS product was so "evil" or even "poor quality", why try so hard to clone it or work along-side of it?)
While you couldn't just "invest $10M into making a much-improved version of Mac OS X or Windows XP" - you're entirely free to invest that money in development of a *competing OS* that runs on the same hardware. That's exactly what "free competition" is all about! There was a time, not all that long ago, when IBM held "all the cards" for computer operating systems, and Microsoft was the "little guy" building an alternative. In the computer industry, there appears to only really be room for one or two "top dogs" at a time. (Probably becausse most people value interoperability/compatibility very highly.) If you build the "favorite OS" and achieve market dominance, you'll get to keep it for a while - until someone can truly build the "better mousetrap" and unseat you. I'm convinced that OS/2 could have unseated Windows and taken that market back over if IBM put a little more money and focus towards it. I'm also convinced that Linux isn't destined to unseat Windows any time in the forseeable future, because its greatest strengths lie more in the "server side" than the "workstation side" of things. (If anything, it'll eventually swallow up Novell Netware though.)
The popular statement that Apple's or Microsoft's business model is about being a "monopoly" seems flawed to me, really. They're both doing what all companies want to do; grow as big and popular as possible. When you build PC hardware and/or software, that often means keeping a tight rein on code changes/fixes. If they let just anyone have the source code and apply patches, the product might become more solid/stable - but it'd open up a whole can of worms about receiving payment for their work. (Imagine all the lawsuits from folks claiming MS or Apple owed them some portion of profit on future sales, because they benefited from their patch or rewrite of part of the code.)
Finally, I still say I see more benefits a corp. like Microsoft brings than negatives. (I fully understand it also has negatives... but we're talking about weighing the plusses and minueses here.) The jobs they create, both directly and indirectly
how about to download your own MP3's without having to resort to the apple near-monopoly? Altho I'd prefer a "build-your-own-Linuxpod-hardware", but so far I haven't seen such thing.
Of course, I don't know if this iPodLinux could be accused of violating the DRM stuff blahblahblah. Any thoughts on this?