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Sir Peter Molyneux?

KBV writes "It seems that for the first time in history a games developer has been granted an OBE (Order Of the British Empire) by the Queen of England. When Peter Molyneux - the creator of Black & White, Fable, Populous and many other games - was asked by BBC News about the honor he simply said "It's come completely out of the blue, I never would have guessed that I'd have that kind of honour." For the games industry as a whole, this is very much a good thing. It's great that developers are being recognized for their hard work and cultural impact on the world."

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  1. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    To answer your question, "Sir Peter Molyneux?", the answer is no. He's been awarded an OBE not a knighthood.

    OBE incidentally, is a three-letter acronym meaning, "Other Bugger's Energy".

    1. Re:No by hunterx11 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Being Peter Molyneux, he probably hyped that he was being created a knight, but it turned out only to be OBE.

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  2. a small point... by doofusclam · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... but the award is actually decided firstly by a 'relevent' government committee, and the prime minister comes in later on. At no point does the Queen decide who receives the awards - she simply hands them over.

    1. Re:a small point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Only knighted British subjects get the title Sir. Certainly not Americans, that's what you get for tossing the tea.

    2. Re:a small point... by dr.badass · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...that's what you get for tossing the tea.

      That is the coolest expression I have heard all year.

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    3. Re:a small point... by NonSequor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Gates is in fact playing both sides of the table and donates to both the Republican party and the Democratic party. This is common practice in the business world.

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    4. Re:a small point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not hard with three days on there uh ;)

    5. Re:a small point... by Cromac · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Only knighted British subjects get the title Sir. Certainly not Americans, that's what you get for tossing the tea.

      That and we don't have to be subjects.

    6. Re:a small point... by Guanix · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's not true. The Queen will not normally make additions to the OBE list.

      The honour that she can award personally, e.g. to palace staff, is the Royal Victorial Order (MVO, CVO, etc).

    7. Re:a small point... by nickco3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That and we don't have to be subjects.

      [From Dictionary.com]
      Subject, n.
      1. One who is under the rule of another or others, especially one who owes allegiance to a government or ruler.

      So it would seem that you do. All American citizens are also American subjects. A British citizen is also a British subject, but there are also those subject to British allegiance who are non-citizens, principally colonials, and they have no right to live, work, or stand for election in the UK (oddly, like all Commonwealth citizens they do have the right to vote if they happen to be in the UK at the time, about 1/3 of the world's population can theoretically vote in a UK General Election).

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  3. not sir by raindrop#1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's Peter Molyneux OBE, rather than Sir Peter. He wasn't awarded a knighthood. Well done him though.

    And it might be worth mentioning that Her Majesty is Queen of an awful lot of other places as well as England.

    1. Re:not sir by PhatAir · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire is an order of chivalry established on 4 June 1917 by George V. The Order includes five classes in civil and military divisions, in order of seniority:

      * Knight or Dame Grand Cross (GBE)
      * Knight or Dame Commander (KBE or DBE)
      * Commander (CBE)
      * Officer (OBE)
      * Member (MBE)

      Only the two highest ranks are knightly (at which point you can call yourself sir).

      See the full wikipedia entry here

  4. Knighthood has lost its "gold" by mOoZik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, have you seen some of the people who have been Knighted? Charleton Heston, Peter Falk, Bob Hope, etc. I can only think of a handful of people who truly deserve this, such as Tim Berners Lee, etc. It's as overrated and unfair (in the subjective sort of way) as the Nobel Prize, where politics, incredible bias, and so forth determine nominees and laureates, not pure merit.

    1. Re:Knighthood has lost its "gold" by Washizu · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I mean, have you seen some of the people who have been Knighted? Charleton Heston, Peter Falk, Bob Hope, etc."

      Whatever, Peter Falk is awesome.

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    2. Re:Knighthood has lost its "gold" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      As far as I'm concerned, Peter Falk would deserve a knighthood (or whatever) on one condition;

      He wears that raincoat to the ceremony, ambles about in a seemingly haphazard manner, gains the Queen's confidence, then after a while explains in meticulous detail how the Queen had Diana and the Queen Mother bumped off. Finally, the police come to take her away.

      Of course, it would make sense for him to do this *after* he collects the knighthood.

    3. Re:Knighthood has lost its "gold" by Alci12 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Its not on the death of a specific person it's a fixed numerical limit. "The Order is limited to 100 Knights and Dames Grand Cross, 845 Knights and Dames Commanders, and 8960 Commanders." so as long as there are only 844 knights you don't have to wait! NB Other orders exist with similar classes eg KCB

    4. Re:Knighthood has lost its "gold" by slapout · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bob Hope has entertained millions over the years (and continues to do so thru video). He used his talent to help entertain troops during World War II. He has made (IMHO) a great contribution to society and I believe he deserved such an honor.

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  5. OBE doesn't make you a Sir. by byolinux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's a Knighthood or KBE for overseas, I believe.

    Sir Tim Berners-Lee and Sir Steven Spielberg, but just Peter M OBE, here.

    1. Re:OBE doesn't make you a Sir. by raindrop#1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not Sir Steven Spielberg. As Mr Spielberg is not a citizen of a Commonwealth country he can only receive an honorary knighthood. This means he can append the "KBE" (Knight of the British Empire) suffix to his name but cannot claim the honorary prefix of "Sir".

  6. Thank you Peter Molyneux by teiresias · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since arthurs, actors, movie directors and musicians ,all of whom contribute to video games these days, are awarded this title, it is fitting and may I add over due that someone who wrote the backbone for the above artists talents should also be recognized.

    Thank you Peter Molyneux and congratulations.

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    1. Re:Thank you Peter Molyneux by JonLatane · · Score: 2, Funny
      Since arthurs... are awarded this title

      Whoa, I thought Arthur was a king, awarded a sword by some moistened tart or whatnot.

  7. knignit by spac3manspiff · · Score: 2, Funny

    what about "aptly named, Sir Not Appearing in THis Film"??

  8. Well, by Synli · · Score: 2, Funny

    It seems that Her Majesty Queen had a great time playing Populous.

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  9. I preferred the Ultima series, myself... by Ykant · · Score: 5, Funny

    But how would that work - Sir Lord British? That's like, redundant in so many different ways...

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  10. Not Quite Sir by defsdoor · · Score: 3, Informative

    Recipients of a KBE (Knight of the British Empire) are called Sir. Whereas KBEs are limited in number (a KBE has to die before another can be kinghted) OBEs are quite commonplace - frequently given to non-celebs that do a service to their community etc..

    1. Re:Not Quite Sir by mOoZik · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to WikiPedia:

      The Order is limited to 100 Knights and Dames Grand Cross, 845 Knights and Dames Commanders, and 8960 Commanders. There are no limits on the total number of members of the fourth and fifth classes, but no more than 858 Officers and 1464 Members may be appointed per year.

  11. Jez San might object to the "first" bit by antime · · Score: 5, Informative

    Jez San of the late Argonaut Software received the title in 2002. Good research!

  12. Really the first one? by Geckoman · · Score: 4, Funny

    But what about Lord British?!

  13. Re:Hruhhhh???! by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can get these Honours for 'services to ', and lets face it, a couple of these games are all time classics, Populous certainly defined a new genre of gaming. Oh, and a OBE doesnt make you a Knight, which is what you need for a Sir title.

  14. OBEs mean nothing by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OBE is a joke these days, to the point where people turn them down. Once they ment something but now they get handed out for next to nothing. Everyone in the country knows this and it gets 10 minutes on the news once a year at most.

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    1. Re:OBEs mean nothing by cowbutt · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The people who turn them down either have:
      a) A problem with royalty (Benjamin Zephania or however you spell it turned it down for this reason).

      Actually, Benjamin Zephaniah's reasons were a bit more complicated. The long and short of it is what the 'E' in the OBE stands for, and its history. More details in this article, from the man's own mouth.

  15. In other news.. by 1019 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The entire staff of Rockstar Games was knighted today for their contributions towards "Thefting Autos Grandly."

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  16. This is certainly interesting by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    There are two awards lists - the Queen's Birthday List, where she can basically give awards to whoever she likes, and the New Years honors list, which comes from Number 10. (ie: the Prime Minister.)


    Now, it's not unusual for "celebrities of the moment" getting awards from the PM, but a games designer is rarely considered a celebrity. And Populus is hardly a current game.


    Don't get me wrong - I think this is a good trend, and I'd like to see Ian Bell and David Braben also get awards for their contributions. It's just very surprising - it goes against the usual way these things work.


    Mind you, Britain's current Prime Minister is a former Heavy Metal guitarist, so I guess unusual things can be expected to happen from time to time.

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    1. Re:This is certainly interesting by chrisbtoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd like to see Ian Bell and David Braben also get awards for their contributions.

      That'd rule. I wonder how long it'd be before they started going at each other with swords, though.

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  17. Re:What exactly is knighthood? by raindrop#1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You get a medal, the Queen taps your shoulder with a sword and, if you are a citizen of a Commonwealth country, you would become Sir Samir.

  18. Blame Blair and friends... by Dogtanian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know, the Queen has got to be the biggest moron in the entire world.

    Much as I hate the Royal Family, you can blame the government for the poor choice of candidates. Remember, it's Tony Blair's behind you have to kiss if you want a knighthood. (David Blunkett will probably get something to cheer him up now he's out of a job).

    Besides, scientists do 'controversial' things that millions of registered voters might object to, so no awards for them.

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  19. Re:What exactly is knighthood? by Alci12 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The female equiv. of a Knight has always been a Dame. eg the Actresses Dame Judi Dench and Dame Maggie Smith

  20. Re:What exactly is knighthood? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    First off, this isn't a knighthood but no matter, all awards of this manner are worthless.

    "For us non-Brits, what exactly does being knighted confer on you? What are the benefits if any?"


    You get a little badge that says you don't have to pay taxes.

    "How selective is it?"


    It's only awarded to men and only to those who have ingratiated themselves sufficiently to the self appointed elite.


    "How many people are knighted,


    It depends on how many sandwiches the caterers have made for the buffet. In a nutshell, if you turn up and the Queen spots you with a cucumber sandich, you get a knighthood. OBE's and MBE's are given to the poor sod's with the vol-au-vents. More excitingly, if you have a pretzel, you get to be president of a minor colony.


    and how often?"


    You only get knighted once, no matter how many sandiches.


    "And are women knighted these days?"


    No, they get to be "Dames". As in, Dame Edna Everage.
  21. Re:What exactly is knighthood? by ukleafer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes - they become Dames, but I'm pretty sure they are not included in the official decoration ceremony with the sword et al.

  22. *cough* wrong expansion of OBE by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 4, Informative

    although the letters obe mean order of the british empire, they refer to several actual 'titles'
    If you get an OBE it stands for Officer of the British Empire, a specific title. Above MBE (member) and below CBE (commander).

    Free pedant points please

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  23. That's not what I heard by The-Bus · · Score: 3, Funny

    In an interview I read in Molyneuws, the Peter Molyneux quarterly, Peter had said in 2002 that he was going to become God's Second Son and appointed by God Himself. In 2003 he said he would be president of the world and that it would be announced at the next G8 summit. Late last year he said he would become a Governor of some northwestern state in the US.

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  24. Nutty brits... :-) by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Funny

    Like Knight Commander Bill Gates wasn't enough! (yes, it's true)

    Microsoft said Mr Gates, 48, was "absolutely delighted".

    Words chosen by a true fearless knight, indeed.

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  25. only partly true by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The relevant Constitutional clause reads:

    No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States; and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them shall, without the consent of the congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

    This only prohibits those who "hold any office of profit or trust under [the United States]" from accepting titles, which I think has been interpreted to mean those who hold a position in government (although I could be wrong there).

    As a bit of trivia, Canada also has a prohibition (the Nickle Resolution) against its citizens accepting foreign titles, including British peerage titles---even though it recognizes the Queen as titular head of state. I believe several other Commonwealth countries (Australia and New Zealand?) have similar prohibitions on British honors.

    1. Re:only partly true by Zachary+Kessin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Legal point about HM the Queen...

      The crown of Canada and the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Brittian and Northern Ireland are legally seperate entities. When HM the Queen is in Canada she flies different arms than when back in the UK etc.

      The short version of it is that HRM can grant honors to Canadians as determined by Canadian law and practice, and to brittish citizens as by Brittish law and practice.

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    2. Re:only partly true by delphi125 · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II_of_the_U nited_Kingdom ...

      As well as being Queen of the United Kingdom, Elizabeth is head of state of fifteen other countries of the Commonwealth of Nations, known as the Commonwealth Realms. These countries are Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands and Tuvalu.

  26. There is precedent! by timothy · · Score: 3, Funny

    It seems that for the first time in history an semi-realistic American cartoon character has purchased a lordship. When Zonker Harris - plant-whisperer and babysitter extraordinaire - was asked by BBC News about the honor he simply said "It's come completely out of the blue, I never would have guessed that I'd have that kind of honour, right up until when the credit card confirmation came through." For the world of fictional people as a whole, this is very much a good thing. It's great that cartoon characters are being recognized for their hard work and cultural impact on the world.

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  27. Re:Stupid. by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Denegrate the Queen all you want, but at least she's not a Head of State that's culturally-, intellectually- and geographically-challenged, unlike those of some other countries that I can mention.

    By the way, you have no idea how the British honours system works. The Queen has about much say so in who does and doesn't get recognised as you do over who does and doesn't get to be struck by lightning.

    Fool.

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  28. dreaming about the old days? by slapout · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmmm...weren't Black & White and Populous games where the player had 'absolute' power? And isn't the monarchy something that used to have 'absolute' power? :-)

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  29. Stephen Grand OBE (Creatures) by SEGV · · Score: 2, Informative

    The first? Not so.

    Stephen Grand, creator of the Creatures series, already has one:

    http://www.nesta.org.uk/mediaroom/newsreleases/3 12 7/

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  30. Explanation for foreigners by panurge · · Score: 4, Funny
    Since the Roman Empire, the order of Knights has really been more about commerce and banking than military activity. (In fact, in the Roman Empire, financially embarrassed senators would occasionally ask to be downgraded to Knights so they could engage in trade.) The British Empire followed the Roman Empire in this regard, awarding knighthoods mainly to entrepeneurs and businessmen. Sir Francis Drake was knighted for his interesting take on maritime commerce - acquiring Spanish ships without paying for them.

    The Order of the British Empire is a completely fictitious society invented to satisfy people who want impressive titles, without really giving them anything. The worthy people - the people who have done jobs nobody else wants to do for years - get the lowest ranks (OBE,MBE). The flashy people get the right to be called Dame or Sir, and the lower ranks exist so that the higher titles are not too obviously a complete joke. You can't be a commander if you have nobody to command, though that doesn't stop those terrorist "liberation armies" that seem to have no rank below colonel.

    The only parts of the Honors System that are actually worth having are:

    Real peerages (e.g. Lord Muck of Bradford): Allow you to spend your time in superior London hotel and get paid for it.
    Order of the Bath (not what it sounds like)
    Order of St Michael and St George - what civil servants get for creating the maximum bureaucratic chaos, and divided into 3 levels, viz.
    CMG (Call Me God)
    KCMG (Kindly Call Me God)
    GCMG (God Calls Me God)

    Finally, I have to point out that the real pinnacle of English aristocracy is to have a real, ancient and very important title and then NOT USE IT or even give it up. The left-wing parliamentarian Tony Benn, whose family have held the title of Lord Stansgate for many years till he renounced it, is an example of this tendency. The problem is that there is no official register of People Offered an Honor Who Refused It, and letting it be known that this has happened rather defeats the whole "I am above fancy titles" thing.

    I do not understand why so many US science fiction writers seem to think that Empires are such a good idea. All they do is go into decline, leaving behind a flotsam of empty titles and people playing games in silly uniforms.

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    1. Re:Explanation for foreigners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some points:
      1) Blanket statements about the "Roman Senate" are liable to innaccuracy because its nature, and the rights and obligations of its members changed throughout Rome's long history. As an example, Roman senators were by definition all equites (knights) until 123 BC.

      2) A blanket statement about knighthood being concerned with banking and commerce rather than war is (like your other blanket statements) inaccurate. In dark and much of middle-age Europe, knights were simply people with the means to maintain their own horse, armour, and weapons, and this did not become associated with nobility in most countries until d the 11th to 13th centuries (depending on where). Even then, with the exception of France, it did not become closed to other classes, who could either be elevated to knighthood (something that even happened to indentured servants), or simply be knights if they had the means (e.g. the 13th century Spanish "cabelleros villanos"). Note also that (again with the exception of France) knighthood was seldom hereditary, and it never has been in England.

      3) Drake was knighted after returning from a successful circumnavigation of the world, not for his privateeing activities. Note also that England did not have an empire when Drake was knighted (Spain and Portugal were the imperial powers of the time).

    2. Re:Explanation for foreigners by rjstanford · · Score: 2, Informative

      Readers of this post who may be less familiar with Yes Minister the delevision series may find that this clip seems a little familiar.

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  31. Re:Stupid. by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Insightful

    True, but at least we had a chance to vote for our chimp.

  32. Never could crack it. by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well deserved award. Not only was Populus an stroke of pure, unadulterated genious (and helped create an entire game genre), but to my knowledge, Populus was one of the few games that was never successfully cracked. I recall a slew of irritating patches that *never* worked.

    1. Re:Never could crack it. by Flunitrazepam · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sir Francis Drake could pirate it

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  33. Can't think of anyone better. by blanks · · Score: 2, Informative

    Peter Molyneux has come up with some really great games over the years, most of which have allways been right on top of the latest technology.

    Games like Populous (back in the sega days) was way ahead of its time, and even new games like fable where characters and even the game change as you progress has allways seemed like a major effect he has gone after with each game.

  34. Randomly bestowing knighthoods/obes by petrus4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There was a period a bit back where that many of these seemed to be given out that I suspected that the Queen's primary motivation in bestowing them was actually to make sure that there were still *some* people around who had them. I didn't think Gates really deserved his, in all honesty...and I'm not sure what Elton John did to receive one, either...Presumably it was his cover of Candle in the Wind.

    I do get the feeling though that despite long periods of inactivity, the Queen periodically experiences bouts of sheer terror over the idea of becoming irrelevant. I'm going to be accused of being an anti-monarchist here, but I'm actually not. I occasionally hear stirrings about the idea of the Queen being terrified about the monarchy's continuation, when if it dies, I believe that she as an individual should take full responsibility.

    As an example of another religious leader, although the Pope has no real relevance whatsoever in the mind of me as an individual, he has gained a huge amount of respect and political influence from his involvement in the collapse of Soviet Russia. My point is, that because as an *institution* these figures (the Queen, the Pope, probably the Dalai Llama) have very little contemporary relevance, the only relevance/influence/power they can gain comes directly from their action as individuals.

    To me, virtually nobody in the contemporary English royal family really does much at all. Elizabeth II has been almost entirely a caretaker monarch to my mind. Diana tried to be a lot more active, and the Queen's inner circle responded to that by ostracising her while she was alive.

    So to the Queen I say...if you're worried about the monarchy dissolving, get out of the palace occasionally and actually *do* something. The world is currently going through a period in which Darwin's theory is acting ruthlessly upon institutions which do not remain in some way useful. If the monarchy dies, it will be directly your fault as an individual, not public apathy or anything else. We only need to look at the monarchy's (even comparitively recent) history to know that if the monarchy is in any way currently at risk, it only is primarily because of the current monarch.