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Linus Makes Business Week's Best Managers List

andhar writes "Linus Torvalds has made Business Week Magazine's 2004 list of Best Managers, where he finds himself in the company of luminaries such as Hector Ruiz (AMD), John Henry (Boston Red Sox) and Steven Spielberg (Dreamworks SKG). The article lauds the influence of Linux on the server market and drops the names of such heavyweights as IBM, Dell, HP and Intel as Linux supporters. Linus is quoted, calling all you kernel coders a herd of cats."

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  1. "Linus did this... Linus did that..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny


    "Linus ate at McDonalds!" "Linus uses 2 ply toilet paper!" etc etc. Why not make a section devoted strictly to Linus (linus.slashdot.org) for the fawning and drooling and leave the Linux section to all things about Linux proper? That and some other minor changes would allow the readership to disable stories about what movie Linus watched over the weekend and other fluff if they wanted.

    Unless, of course, you're all too busy designing more ugly colour schemes.

    1. Re:"Linus did this... Linus did that..." by maskedbishounen · · Score: 3, Funny

      Okay, so spill it already.

      What movie did he watch over the weekend?

      *drools*

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    2. Re:"Linus did this... Linus did that..." by sharkey · · Score: 1
      Why not make a section devoted strictly to Linus (linus.slashdot.org) for the fawning and drooling

      The problem as I see it, is that Linus doesn't have an RSS feed available to us.

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    3. Re:"Linus did this... Linus did that..." by pfleming · · Score: 1

      "Linus ate at McDonalds!" "Linus uses 2 ply toilet paper!" etc etc. Why not make a section devoted strictly to Linus (linus.slashdot.org) for the fawning and drooling and leave the Linux section to all things about Linux proper? That and some other minor changes would allow the readership to disable stories about what movie Linus watched over the weekend and other fluff if they wanted.

      If I recall RMS properly, Linux is only the kernel everything else is GNU, so I would say that Linus/Linux kernel = Linux proper
      (Note that I don't necessarily agree with RMS' megalomanical ranting that everything must be labeled GNU, and we passed on having him speak to our LUG cause he wanted us to change our name in order to be associated with us in any way)

    4. Re:"Linus did this... Linus did that..." by devhen · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. Linus invented Linux and heads its development and direction to this day. If that isn't "Linux Proper" then there is no such thing. Give me a break.

  2. It's a nice piece... by _PimpDaddy7_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a great article. I read it most of it last night. Goes through good managers, WHY they are good, how they turned around the company(Xerox as an example) and talks about bad managers and WHY they are bad, mistakes they've made, etc.

    This article should be read over and over again by the countries PHB. But I know they won't listen.

    Check out the pic of Linus, I think he's in a CORNfield or something LOL

    1. Re:It's a nice piece... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Serious question - what happens after Linus? When he is bumped off by hired MS goons or whatever, who out of Andrew, Alan, Andrea etc will take the lead? And will they have the gravitas to be able to successfully herd cats the same way?

    2. Re:It's a nice piece... by stupidfoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      You sure it's not a Korn field? (ok, lame Unix humor, I know)

      (sorry, I'm not talking about the band - although the Korn dev did get a Kornshell book signed by the band)

    3. Re:It's a nice piece... by peragrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it's simple

      Good managers, work for the employees. When times are tough they take their fair share of the cuts. When times are good they share the wealth.

      Bad managers, blame everybody but themselves, and give themselves raises and/or bonuses for cutting staff. When times are good they give themselves huge raises, while maybe giving the rest a few scraps.

      The wealth doesn't have to be cash either. Though it usaully is in the case of bad managers.

      Guess which one Linus Torvalds, and which one is Darl Mcbride? All you have to look at is their quarterly reports. Darl's Salary is still a million dollars a year, yet he has to trim stay up.

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    4. Re:It's a nice piece... by ajlitt · · Score: 1

      Actually, Darl McBride is failing as a leader because litigation alone doesn't make for a good long term strategy. Even if you have some defensible (defendable?!) IP (which SCO doesn't), you should have some sort of plan for creating more. Unless, of course, you're a shill in a pump-and-dump scheme.

    5. Re:It's a nice piece... by BUTT-H34D · · Score: 1
      You sure it's not a Korn field?
      You sure you're not a Kornhole?
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    6. Re:It's a nice piece... by iabervon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What's really remarkable about Linus's place in the list is that he doesn't actually have any employees. He doesn't control any finances. He doesn't even influence the people who control the pay of the people he manages. He's such a good manager that people accept his management for no reason other than that it is good. It's quite remarkable that he can actually do this, and also that a business magazine recognizes that this is going on.

      A bet Linus could have a great time going to classes in an MBA program and heckling the instructors.

    7. Re:It's a nice piece... by cain · · Score: 1
      Check out the pic of Linus, I think he's in a CORNfield or something LOL

      This is only to be expected -- he really is outstanding in his field.

  3. "Best Manager" is quite a glowing endorsement by scotay · · Score: 5, Funny

    Right up there with "Most Ethical Lawyer."

    1. Re:"Best Manager" is quite a glowing endorsement by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sarcasm aside ,to the people who matter (ie, managers and lawyers) both of those are quite glowing :p

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    2. Re:"Best Manager" is quite a glowing endorsement by TrentTheWiseA · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, "Most Honest Politician"

    3. Re:"Best Manager" is quite a glowing endorsement by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      or "Slashdot Reader Who Gets Laid the Most"

      BORK BORK BORK

  4. Well deserved by suso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that managing a bunch of know-it-alls is a lot harder than managing people who are just there for a paycheck.

  5. Linus Torvalds by albn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Might as well made the list. He's adorned by many people and scored by everybody else.

    He's worked hard with a score of other people (who did not make the list) to make a nice operating system for anybody to use and modify. Before 2.4, it seemed many companies like Microsoft poo poohed the idea of how an open source operating system was going to work, and now that it has, they feel a little threatened. With the success of his kernel, I give him proper kudos.

    Oh, it is kind of funny. I do not see Darl McBride on the list. Just kind of interesting.

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    1. Re:Linus Torvalds by ctr2sprt · · Score: 4, Funny
      He's adorned by many people and scored by everybody else.
      I think your letter "n" traveled a few words to the left.

      Although the image of Linus walking around with kernel developers hanging from his clothes while assorted groupies carry scorecards is pretty funny.

      (You mean that Linus is adored by many people and scorned by everybody else.)

    2. Re:Linus Torvalds by yutt · · Score: 1
      Linus Torvalds [m]ight as well made the list. He's [b]adorned[/b] by many people and scored by everybody else.

      You mean those freaks are actually [i]wearing[/i] him now? Disturbing.

    3. Re:Linus Torvalds by albn · · Score: 1

      (You mean that Linus is adored by many people and scorned by everybody else.)

      Yes, indeed. Thanks for the spelling correction. As for the groupies, yes, there are plenty. However, I do not know enough about the kernel to be one. The thing is though, it is nice somebody that spends so much time on an open source project as large as Linux deserves some credit.

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    4. Re:Linus Torvalds by stephanruby · · Score: 1
      "He's adorned by many people and scored by everybody else."

      Adorned? Scored? From your description, Linus sounds like a really hot trophy porn star.

    5. Re:Linus Torvalds by erlenic · · Score: 1

      ...I do not know enough about the kernel to be one.

      That doesn't stop all the other groupies.

    6. Re:Linus Torvalds by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bash.org #35955

      <EyesofPrisms> and ou are an uytter newb
      <KC48348751> dude
      <KC48348751> how did that y move over like 12 characters

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  6. Steve Jobs? by Sophrosyne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't believe Steve Jobs didn't win best manager of the year--
    ...they must be holding out for best manager of the century.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs? by Anonymous+Meoward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, Jobs made the "repeat performers" section of the article, along with Meg Whitman of eBay.

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    2. Re:Steve Jobs? by rampant+mac · · Score: 1
      "Actually, Jobs made the "repeat performers" section of the article, along with Meg Whitman of eBay."

      Yes, he has toped the "Forbes CEO Approval Tracker" for the 18th month in a row. Full article here.

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    3. Re:Steve Jobs? by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      I haven't heard any stories as to how he is as a manager after returning to Apple, but before he was kicked out, he was a horrible manager who belittled and intimidated employees. Read any number of books on Apple's or Jobs' history for details.

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    4. Re:Steve Jobs? by Sophrosyne · · Score: 1

      well I have to admit my original post was meant to be funny- Steve Jobs is known for his tyrannical rule of Apple. It is a good thing, but also a bad thing (if you happen to work for him).

    5. Re:Steve Jobs? by AstroDrabb · · Score: 1
      See! This post was modded troll just because I mentioned that Steve Jobs "may not be doing the best job"!

      You gotta love the /. modderation system where Apple zealots just mod you down because they want to protect their "precious" Stevie, even though what you say may be true!

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  7. herding cats is easy... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Funny

    Try cat juggling instead!

    Like SCO, Infinium Labs, are doing...

    1. Re:herding cats is easy... by Astreja · · Score: 1

      That explains the SCO PIPE deal.

      "My God, I've heard about this... Penguin juggling! How much do you want, Padre Darl?"

  8. Impressive. by clinko · · Score: 5, Funny

    A manager of a group that reads slashdot all day and still get things done.

    That is impressive.

    1. Re:Impressive. by TRS80NT · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, but they're all in India.

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  9. Manager by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess that's the best title for what he does, but his position doesn't really fit the "manager" role to a T..

    He's not anyones boss, he can't "fire" a kernel hacker, or direct them, he can just decide to accept or not accept patches.

    That lack of "direction" is somewhat of a problem, noone knows where linux is headed. It seems to be veering away from the desktop to the server room, and locked down incarnations like TiVo.

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    1. Re:Manager by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the beauty of Open Source. No ONE person tells it where to go next. YOU just pick it up and start walking. TiVo, can take it one way, Montavista takes it another, IBM, and Red Hat heads toward the servers, While Xandros, and Suse are aiming for your desktops.

      Linux itself doesn't need a direction, The people decide what they want, and they take Linux there.

      Instead of Controling the people, YOU decide
      Where Do You Want to GO Today?

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    2. Re:Manager by MrWa · · Score: 1

      He "manages" in the most obvious sense of the word. What did doesn't do well is "lead".

    3. Re:Manager by RailGunner · · Score: 1
      John Henry (Boston Red Sox) can't hire or fire anyone either, that's the GM's job.

      And yeah, John Henry led the Red Sox to the series, but honestly Grady Little had a chance - instead of asking Pedro Martinez "How do you feel?" he should have said "Give me the ball.". Also - yes, the Sox came back from a 3-0 deficit in the ALCS, but - I'd credit a lot of that to Curt Schilling stapling his achilles tendon and showing a lot of other millionaire babies on the field what a man does when he wants to win. I can only imagine how bad that hurt...

    4. Re:Manager by mefus · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, you were marked +4, insightful.

      but his position doesn't really fit the "manager" role to a T... He's not anyone's boss...

      But they specifically said "manager", not "boss".

      he can't "fire" a kernel hacker

      No, but I don't think that is necessarily a duty of a manager. In spite of that I think you are still wrong: he can (and does) stop accepting people's code if they aren't doing a job to his satisfaction.

      or direct them

      uh, that's just wrong. There are many examples of Linux saying "yes" or "no" to attempts to introduce functionality into the kernel, and he gives it authority by including or refusing to include the code into the kernel.

      he can just decide to accept or not accept patches.

      That's a distinction without merit, my friend.

      That lack of "direction" is somewhat of a problem, noone knows where linux is headed.

      And that is a carefully disquised non-sequitur. Linux direction is driven by 1. what people want it to do, and 2. what Linus (and others) think is appropriate for Linux to do.

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    5. Re:Manager by AstroDrabb · · Score: 1
      Insightful? Come on mods, how about "overrated"? This guy doesn't have a clue about where "Linux is headed". Have you read _any_ interviews of Linus? He is all about making progress on the desktop. What do you think kernel 2.6 delivered? 2.6 delivered great task switching performance. A 2.6 desktop is much more responsive then a 2.4 desktop. You don't even need to change any software, just upgrade your 2.4 kernel to 2.6 and you _will_ notice much better response times.

      In most of Linus' reviews, he states how he doesn't care about "big-iron" server room type servers. He cares about desktop Linux.

      Hey mods, how about doing a little research before you mod up some dummy, who has no clue what he is talking about? 2.6 was all about the desktop and response times.

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    6. Re:Manager by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      No, but I don't think that is necessarily a duty of a manager. In spite of that I think you are still wrong: he can (and does) stop accepting people's code if they aren't doing a job to his satisfaction.


      Well, just at first, have it sent through another person to see about getting around political issues with the code. To confirm this, I'd like to hear what kinds of code that were refused due to reasons other than politics, and what was really wrong. The political reasons include patent and copyright issues.

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    7. Re:Manager by mefus · · Score: 1

      The political reasons include patent and copyright issues.

      Those are legal reasons, not "political". You have a loose conception of these issues, it seems, and will have problems assessing any job, let alone Linus'.

      You can use the mailing list archives for the kernel to look up all Linus' rants against whatever if you choose.

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  10. It gets even better by Gzip+Christ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Linus' picture actually made the cover of the magazine (along with 4 others)! Click on the "photo essays" graphic at the top of the article and then look at the magazine cover on the right hand side. The second person from the right looks like Linus to me. Awesome. I wonder who the other people are on the cover - I can't quite make them out.

  11. from my vantage point, by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Interesting
    ...I know that Linus has never actively enrolled in any management school, but he's a good manager. The first president of USA also never had any formal education as such but did wonderful things.

    Many people that have not gone to school have done good things...but if one sought a job sighting management skills, they are quickly turned down for lack of the so called degrees!

    This is despite the clear evidence that the so called educated managers have done more havoc than good. Just look at the companies that have folded up!

    I think that this issue of "Must have an MBA, LLB etc, etc.." was created purely for financial purposes by educational institutions. All people doing crap at their jobs here are very educauted. One wonders what their education helps anyway.

    Disclaimer: I run a fairly successful finacial business on the internet, but have zero training in this. I use my common sense.

    Note that Richard Branson (of the Virgin Group), does not have the educational papers that one would think he has. But he is very successful to the extent that he keeps British Airways managers on their toes.

    1. Re:from my vantage point, by whm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Many people that have not gone to school have done good things...but if one sought a job sighting management skills, they are quickly turned down for lack of the so called degrees! This is despite the clear evidence that the so called educated managers have done more havoc than good.

      Remarkable people can do remarkable things, often regardless of training or upbrining or what-not. But don't forget about the countless people without management training that have botched things as well. It is naive to imply that management training is going to make people less likely to do well at it.

    2. Re:from my vantage point, by Analogy+Man · · Score: 1
      I agree with you to a point. Although someone demonstrating the ability to apply themselves through 4 years of college shows an ability to manage time, learn new things...etc.

      Common sense is invaluable, but it is hard to demonstrate on a resume. If I see someone with a BS degree in engineering from a Big 10 school I can relate to what it took to obtain that degree. The difference I have noted between the formally educated and the informally educated (in general) is in breadth of background. For example, I am an Aerospace Engineer by education. An RC hobbiest may be better at designing, building and flying RC models, but I know why things behave the way they do from a fluid mechanics and stability and control standpoint. Presented with a different problem, say designing a nozzle for agricultural spraying equipment or industrial filtering equipment I would be able to draw from the same fundamental fluid mechanics and math, where the self tought individual would have to slog through a more difficult learning curve.

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    3. Re:from my vantage point, by anagama · · Score: 1

      • College is OVER-RATED. ... Before you flame me, ask yourself if some of the best people you ever worked with have a degree or was even a grad student etc.

      Some of the worst managers I've experienced are of the uneducated variety, the type who, for example, worked in a store for 15 years before becoming a low-level manager sometimes develop a severe powertrip ... a sort of Big Fish in a little pond syndrome. This isn't to say that the educated variety doesn't suffer the same problem. Some of the worst managers I've experienced have been highly educated.

      One hopes that an education will help people who would otherwise be bad managers, learn techniques that enable them to be decent managers. But whether educated or not, great managers are likely born to it. Neither education nor experience will make a terrible manager a great one.
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    4. Re:from my vantage point, by Analogy+Man · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I read a very interesting book about Enron this last year. Actually those folks were brilliant and did very complex accounting to get away with effectively laundering billions. Trouble is if you perpetuate a lie by telling bigger and bigger lies it will eventually all come crashing down.

      I think the most important elements to being professionally successful...the right way are:

      Problem solving skills (surprising how rare these are really)

      An ethical compass (different from a religious conviction although in many it is related)

      Communication skills

      And above all, an ability to remember the GOAL

      The last is critical. So often the easy trap is to loose sight of the ultimate goal. In the engineering world the pitfalls are common.

      Focusing on the perfect structural analysis rather than answering a question required to make a design decision.

      Coming up with a wonderful fully parametric CAD model for a crappy product.

      Designing a software package to do everything under the sun and delivering it 2 years after the most critical 20% of it were needed for the companies new product line.

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  12. Balmer? by n3m3sis · · Score: 1, Funny

    Where is Steve Balmer?

    1. Re:Balmer? by fusion812 · · Score: 1

      He's off fighting crusades against Linux in Asia

    2. Re:Balmer? by 787style · · Score: 1

      Where is Steve Balmer?

      Off beating the person who modded that as funny with a rubber hose.

  13. Out of context by l3pYr · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the abstract
    Linus is quoted, calling all you kernel coders a herd of cats.

    From the article
    Torvalds has quipped that his job is a lot like "herding cats."

    "Herding cats" is meant to be an oxymoron. Cats operate in small, tight-knit prides and not large herds; they are strong-willed and typically follow their own program. Linus was just trying to convey the difficulty of managing a large group of programmers who all have their own, unique reasons for doing what they do. As is demonstrated time and time again here at /., most nerds have trouble seeing the other side of an argument (read: we always think we're right). This brings about the cat metaphor.

    For those who don't RTFA, this might be taken out of context as an insult to kernel contributors. Just wanted to clear that up.

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    1. Re:Out of context by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 4, Funny

      For those who don't RTFA, this might be taken out of context as an insult to kernel contributors.

      Thanks for clearing that up... for a moment there I thought he was calling kernel contributors a bunch of pussies :P

    2. Re:Out of context by slapout · · Score: 1

      I thought he was simply refering to the old saying "Managing programmers is like herding cats."

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    3. Re:Out of context by l3pYr · · Score: 1

      I wasn't implying he made it up, just explaining what it meant.

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    4. Re:Out of context by mcocke · · Score: 1

      Now you know why my web site is www.catherders.com

  14. Obligatory reference to "cats" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Linus is quoted, calling all you kernel coders a herd of cats.

    Finally! Something I'm in total agreement with Linus about... Linux kernel coders are a bunch of pussies (for the non-English speakers in the group, that's a derogatory reference).

    1. Re:Obligatory reference to "cats" by Squatchman · · Score: 1

      Does that make them like that freako crazy cat lady who lives three doors down?

  15. Fallen Managers by ghost509 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Fallen Managers include:

    Frank Dunn Nortel
    Graig Conway Peoplesoft
    Sanjay Kumar Computer Associates International

    I'm not sure why the CEO of SCO is not in that list, since SCO's earnings on most products are diminishing.

    #include "a_life.h"
    1. Re:Fallen Managers by tesmako · · Score: 1

      SCO's falling has little to do with the management really, the writing has been on the wall for years. They haven't had a single even moderatly interesting product since the x86 BSD's and Linux became viable.

    2. Re:Fallen Managers by mefus · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why the CEO of SCO is not in that list

      Snarl McSnide hasn't been crushed by the (ongoing?) SEC investigation. yet.

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    3. Re:Fallen Managers by ezeri · · Score: 1

      SCO is far too small to get much notice. Sure losing $30 Million is bad, but compared to the $30 Billion that Frank Dunn managed to lose, its a rounding error, and few of the "big boys" take much notice.

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    4. Re:Fallen Managers by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      To be "fallen", you had to at one point be at a height. Darl wasn't.

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    5. Re:Fallen Managers by quarkscat · · Score: 1

      One well deserved addition to the list
      of "Fallen Managers" : HP's Fiorna.

      As a manager of numerous high tech companies,
      she could not have done a better job of killing
      the companies off if she were an enemy saboteur,
      or the agent of a hostile foreign power.

      (1) Bell Labs / Lucent Technologies

      (2) Digital Equipment Corp.

      (3) Compaq Computer Corp.

      (4) Hewlett Packard / Agilent Technologies

      While I didn't RTFA, if she didn't make the
      "10 Worst Managers List", the list is incomplete.

  16. What has Jobs done? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What has Jobs done besides smoke and mirrors? Apple's computers have not set any trends other than the look of the box (color and shape) since the Apple ][ days. His decisions have made sure that Macintoshes only appeal to a small minority of computer users.

    The iPod is flying high right now, but what will it be like in 1 year with larger capacity, easier-to-use music players for less than half the cost out there? Machines not hogtied to the obscure non-standard AAC format?

    1. Re:What has Jobs done? by SoTuA · · Score: 1
      What has Jobs done besides smoke and mirrors?

      What has Jobs done? As a manager?

      Gee, I don't know. How did apple stock do in 2004?

    2. Re:What has Jobs done? by Epistax · · Score: 1

      I don't mean to bash jobs here, but stock prices are no indication of anything. One lie at one time will throw stock in one direction. One truth at another time will throw it in another.

    3. Re:What has Jobs done? by wizbit · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the more telling numbers are revenue figures, not stock jumps. Most day-traders I talk to regard Apple as a hideously bad short-term investment when in fact the company has billions in cash and continues to perform at or above expectations - the mark of a well-run corporation. Badly-run corporations will make unwise long-term decisions for a short-term jump in stock price. Witness the debacle that Enron became, and you can see the overemphasis placed on stock prices alone. The ticker doesn't tell the whole story.

      I think Jobs has matured after his experience with NeXT and especially Pixar and knows how to treat his people. It's not fair to compare him to the CEO he was when he nearly ran Apple into the ground, as it is not fair to suggest Jobs alone should be credited with the success of the iMac or the torpedoing of failing ventures like Taligent and Copland. Jobs does well in identifying talent and has a good eye for design, like the recent Time magazine article about the birth of the iPod - when he gave its creator access to all of Apple's intellectual/engineering assets to help its development.

    4. Re:What has Jobs done? by AstroDrabb · · Score: 1
      I am not trolling here, I am just wondering:
      as it is not fair to suggest Jobs alone should be credited with the success of the iMac
      How would you call the iMac, power mac, $ANY mac a successes? I would not call grabbing 3% of a market a success. Heck, Linux has grabbed 22%+ of the server market and there are still tons of people who say Linux is not a success. I honestly just want to understand your logic that considers grabbing 2% - 3% of a market a success.

      Personally, I don't consider anything that Steve Jobs has done to be a success. Apple could be grabbing _huge_ parts of the desktop market if they just dropped the whole "a computer should be a fashion statement" mentality and offered a good quality mac for sub $600.

      Yes, I have seen the Mac rumors about a headless $500 mac. However, for $500, an average Joe User can get a Dell _with_ a monitor, and also a printer/scanner combo. So Joe User see a Dell for $500 that has a computer, keyboard, mouse, monitor and printer plus software. Next to that they see a $500 Mac that just includes a computer. Which one do you think Joe User will pick?

      I think Apple is on the right track with a $500 Mac, though they need to at least include a cheap 17" CRT monitor in the deal to be competitive.

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    5. Re:What has Jobs done? by wizbit · · Score: 1

      How would you call the iMac, power mac, $ANY mac a successes?

      I'd call it a success as the Rev-A iMacs practically saved the company. Sure it's not "futuristic" or "stylish" by today's standards, but in 1998 it was every bit the smash hit it deserved to be. While other computer makers tried to make the PC appealing to a wider audience, gain adoption for USB, and attract users who had never touched a computer before, Apple succeeded in all three with the iMac, no question.

      Remember that the "i" supposedly stood for "internet", and that this was the internet-enabled computer for the masses, with a 56K modem and built-in ethernet. Reviewers at the time raved at its simple, one-enclosure-for-everything design. I remember reading one of those "end-user" reviews where a chick groaned when opening a brand-new Dell, because, "3 boxes, this is already more complicated."

      Apple tends to get the details right and knows satisfied customers are willing to pay a premium and keep coming back. It helped them that they set a bit of a fashion trend along the way. There were quite a few imitators that made Wintel iMac-alikes because the things just sold. I'd say imitation is a high indicator of success, as well. Apple sued them all, of course, and one of my friends quipped, "That's because Apple patented translucent colors."

    6. Re:What has Jobs done? by Loco3KGT · · Score: 1

      Um, if you had a created a company that did 2.35 billion dollars in revenues in one quarter, would you call that a success?

      I mean, I'm looking in my wallet and I'm seeing $9 and two Subway sandwich stamps.

      Some people set the bar higher, I reckon.

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    7. Re:What has Jobs done? by AstroDrabb · · Score: 1
      I am not comparing Apple's success to how much I make or how much you make. That would be silly. I was just comparing Apple's success to what I percieve they could accomplish if Steve would just stop with the whole "fashion" statement thing. If Apple just lowered their prices, they could _really_ take some Joe User desktop market share from MS. Look at the fortune 500, there are a lot of companies doing 2+ billion per quarter, and there are a lot doing far more then that.

      I am not coming down on Apple. I just don't understand why the continue to do things that keep them a niche market when they could be earning _far_ more money for their shareholders. If Apple offered two or three Macs between $500 and $800, they could really pick up some desktop marketshare. The only thing Apple seems to have in that price range is the rumored headless Mac. Not a very good deal when you consider that Joe User will see a similar priced PC that includes a monitor and a printer.

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  17. PepsiCo's Six P's by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

    The first P for me is Principles.
    The second is Perspective.
    The third one is Passion.
    The fourth one is Perseverance.
    The fifth -- and these are not necessarily grammatically correct, it's just how I remember them -- is Performance.
    The last and probably most important one is People.


    And here I thought the six P's of success were Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

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  18. Geeks are now for managment! by Garabito · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Linus: 2004 Business Week list of best managers.

    RMS: "involuntarily self-promoted into management"(!!!)

    Alan Cox: Left Linux kernel development to get a MBA

  19. Re:Manager (how do you define 'Manager'?) by thpr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I guess that's the best title for what he does, but his position doesn't really fit the "manager" role to a T..

    He's not anyones boss, he can't "fire" a kernel hacker, or direct them, he can just decide to accept or not accept patches.

    But wait... when people are asked to name the managers we like best, we DON'T name administrators (which is the hire/fire abilities you describe and the financial ones implicit in that), we name our LEADERS. Linus made the list because of his leadership skills in accomplishing a task (herding cats, I guess) and the scope of control he must manage there; not for his budgetary or administrative skills.

  20. This list is totally bogus by eln · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    There is supposedly a list of Worst Managers in this article, but I don't see my boss anywhere on the list.

  21. Re:"John Henry (Boston Red Sox)" by Squatchman · · Score: 1

    Just ask the ladies!

  22. Re:Darl by albn · · Score: 1

    "What's funny or interesting about that? Were you expecting him to be or something?"

    As vocal as he is regarding his alleged ownership to some of the code, and how hard he (and perhaps others) is working to get companies to pay license fees to run an open source operating system. That's a lot of work, and how he did not make it on the list is interesting.

    Seriously, I was not expecting him to be on the list. :) Hope that clarifies things for you.

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  23. Re:My 2c by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fact that linux sees more use outside of the states as opposed to within the states makes no difference to you, I assume? Why does an american have to be the linux maintainer? re-read your post and then think about how it sounds to non americans.

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  24. ridiculous by buzzini · · Score: 1, Insightful

    looks to me like an arbitrarily-assembled list of newsmakers and "hot" personalities designed to sell issues. it seems nearly impossible to have much real insight on a manager without working in their organization.

    1. Re:ridiculous by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's realively easy to figure out who the best managers are: Their companies do well, and their peers want to be like them.

      Also, they don't operate in a vacuum. True leaders bring other people up with them, and they're identified easily enough.

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    2. Re:ridiculous by buzzini · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's as easy as you say. What does it mean to "do well"? Increase in stock price? Revenues? When Al "Chainsaw" Dunlap became CEO of Sunbeam, he laid off 3000 workers, closed factories, stopped charity giving etc; the stock price rose over 300%. I suppose he would have been considered a "great" manager that year.

      Two years later he was ignominously fired after essentially destroying the company with his excessive cuts.

      People write whole books attempting to rigorously analyze "great" management. A slapped-together Business Week article designed to move issues is hard to take seriously.

    3. Re:ridiculous by HiThere · · Score: 1

      No, but I'm going to buy one anyway. It's got Linus on the cover. This needs to be encouraged.

      Besides, I'll know that at least one of their choices was correct. That's more than I usually know about a news article.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  25. How is that not hiring or firing? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He's not anyones boss, he can't "fire" a kernel hacker, or direct them, he can just decide to accept or not accept patches.

    And how is that power not explicitly hiring or firing? Basically, choosing to accept patches from someone for a while is the same as hiring - just as shutting someone out of the process is exactly like a firing.

    Indeed this is hiring/firing at its most pure, for just as the person derives no financial loss from a "firing", so too does Linus have nothing to GAIN by a firing beyond the quality of the product - no bottom line to trim, just quality to oversee. That makes firing (or not firing) far more meaningful than one that is intertwined on both sides with financial implications, and potential lawsuits.

    As for direction, the true indicator of being a good manager is that many people are willing to trust whatever vision he has in this regard.

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  26. Re:How do they call that? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
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  27. Bet you miss by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    Bet you miss the palaces with the petroleum-spouting bidets, eh Sammy?

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  28. Management Secrets of the New England Patriots by James_Lavin · · Score: 1

    You can read 50 FREE (as in beer) pages from my new book that addresses this exact question. It's called "Management Secrets of the New England Patriots."

    James
    PatriotsBook.com

  29. Not there because he's still employed.... by EricTheGreen · · Score: 1

    None of the three you mention are still with their respective companies (hence the term 'fallen').

    'Deposition Daryl' gets a pass for this year. At the rate things are going, however, he'll be a shoo-in for next year's list.

  30. I'd say leader, not manager by Samrobb · · Score: 1
    He's such a good manager that people accept his management for no reason other than that it is good.

    Which is just about the best definition of "leadership" that I think I've come across in a long, long time.

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    1. Re:I'd say leader, not manager by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Leader and manager are separate skills. Linus is both.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  31. Article gives all credit to executives by ElMiguel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As usual in business culture, all credit for the company's work is given to executives. See for example this blurb about AMD CEO Héctor Ruiz: "Nevertheless, the soft-spoken executive has put AMD in the black for the first time since 2000. He's giving larger competitor Intel Corp. (INTC ) fits with AMD's hot-selling Opteron server and Athlon 64 desktop chips, and he has set the agenda for next-generation PC designs." It almost seems that he's the only employee in the company doing any work. No mention of the engineers who, you know, actually designed the products AMD is selling so successfully.

  32. /ME wonders how... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...Sun's Schwartz feels about the award, given that he recently complained about Linus' management style?

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  33. Darl isn't really that bad a manager... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    Please read before flaming!

    How you rate Darl depends what you're looking for. OK, Darl would suck to work for if you're a developer, but he has achieved what he set out to do: pump and dump.

    Two or three years ago SCO stock holders had toilet paper stock that had no future and no trade value. Over the last year Darl managed to pulp the price to over 18 bucks giving a lot of people an excellent exit option. If you rate him on that, he did rather well.

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    1. Re:Darl isn't really that bad a manager... by peragrin · · Score: 1

      I have heard that arguement before.

      I have a counter.

      SCO three years ago could of been bought out by, Sun, IBM, HP, Novell, etc.

      Now nobody can buy them, they are doomed to bankruptcy, and nobody will be able to save them.

      SCO had a better chance of partial survival inside another company. Now they are road kill. Just because they are running down the highway today doesn't mean they will live.

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    2. Re:Darl isn't really that bad a manager... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

      You're making the mistake of rating Darl on making SCO a viable business/technical entity. This is not his goal and this is not how he should be judged. Longer term solvency issues etc are not part of the plan.

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  34. lol by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

    He's outstanding in the field of kernels, even. Man I wish I had mod points. Mod parent up!

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