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Various newsbits from the Consumer Electronics Show: Verizon promises cell phone TV; USB flash drives get more useful; Transmeta promises a fanless media center device, sometime; things you can stick on your iPod; and a tech site offers a photographic overview of day 0 of the convention.

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  1. Day 0? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, now I get it. Nerds.

    1. Re:Day 0? by sootman · · Score: 1

      Nerds? On slashdot? Since when?

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    2. Re:Day 0? by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 1

      Nerds.

      I know nerds when I see them, and this ain't no nerd! Oo-la-la. I love Vegas.

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  2. Nothing to see here, please move along. by TrollBridge · · Score: 1

    Well of course there isn't, silly! According to the write-up, this is Day 0 of the convention! Wouldn't a story about an event that doesn't exist violate some basic law of physics?

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    1. Re:Nothing to see here, please move along. by Jon+Kent · · Score: 1

      Day 0 includes all the hours of the first day (cardinal versus ordinal numbers!) including Day 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, etc.

      We come to Day 1 only after 24 hours have elapsed after the beginning of the convention, Day 0.

      And I write this for the benefit of the (very few) Slashdot users who might be confused by this. I don't like feeding trolls.

    2. Re:Nothing to see here, please move along. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      And I write this for the benefit of the (very few) Slashdot users who might be confused by this. I don't like feeding trolls


      Someone needs to get a sense of humor.

  3. Microsoft CES Torrent by mnordstr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In case you missed Microsoft's less than successfull opening event on Wednesday, hosted by Conan O'Brien and including two full system crashes and other glitches, the torrent is still available on my blog.

    Some good laughs in there (not only Conan's perfomance). :)

    1. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's the torrent of the Linux device that plays good, original games and doesn't require a master's degree in computer science to set up?

    2. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you knew anything about computers, you would know that getting a piece of software to perform a specific task on a specific piece of hardware is incredibly easy. The fact that they managed to fuck it up TWICE says a lot about the quality.

    3. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anubis350 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      put in UT2004 disc, run the install on linux script (its an executable, just click on it), play game.....

      if you need 3d drivers and you're using an nvidia card (which you should if you're using linux) d/l nvidia's drivers, stop X, install, follow instructions to modify your X config, restart X (even easier than windows, don't even need to restart your machine and all instructions are available from nvidia website in great detail).

      I don't know why I even try, feeding trolls is so tiresome......

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    4. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not having to restart your machine does not make something easier, it makes it less intrusive. Double-clicking a driver installer and clicking "Next" a few times is considerably easier than the process you describe. There's no instructions because they're not needed.

    5. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      its funny 'cause the only real difference is changing 3 lines of a text file (which anyone is capable of doing). Its a TUI instead of a GUI on the installer, but the installer is smooth and works like a charm, so you're still simply executing and clicking next a couple times.....

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    6. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by darc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which any programmer is capable of doing. Following instructions is beyond the capability of most users, because well, they don't read the directions. When was the last time you read the manual that came with any product?

      Right now, most consumers expect to be able to install the software without reading any of the dialog boxes and just hitting 'next' like mad. Making this more difficult isn't a matter of them not being able to do this, but rather that they lack the drive to actually do it. Changing 3 lines of a text file is pretty archaic and reminds me of CONFIG.SYS and the DOS days.

      Comon, we can do better than that.

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    7. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that you quote an example for one specific game says it all really......

    8. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and to think, that was the easiest example you could come up with and you still end up looking like a fuckwit

    9. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was also the glitch when Conan's game slowed to about 2 FPS. And not exactly a technical glitch, but Gates implied that anyone who doesn't like copyright law in its current state was a "communist".

      I like to refer to yesterday as "Billety Gates' A Series of Unfortunate Events" :->

    10. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by sewagemaster · · Score: 1

      what parent is talking about is this.

      Gates Faces Down Blue Screen of Death

      yep. it happened AGAIN

      or about 1hr13 into the clip from parent's blog

    11. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get me wrong - the game example is a good one. The driver example, however, is far different. It is significantly more complex than a automatic GUI-based installer with an automatic restart. The restart just makes it take longer, and interfere with uptime/server processes, which most naive users (and most Windows users) aren't running anyway. Most less-experienced users would gladly restart their computer if it meant not having to manually turn off X and edit text files.

    12. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apologies to reply twice (my first begins "Don't get me wrong") but I know that I'd never leave Slashdot if I registered. Wanted to add that if it is so easy to follow the instructions to restart X and change configuration files, why could there not be a simple script to do it? I worry that the prevalence of expert users on free software platforms is propagating itself - all too often simple user-friendly automations are left out because it's "easy to change a text file".

    13. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you joking? posting that on a fucking linux site?

    14. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      I'm going to reply to you because you didnt post anon unlike the others who responded...

      your point ,is well taken, as are the others made, and to be honest I have no idea why nvidia doesnt just allow the driver installer to change the X config file for you (i.e. I'm going to modify your **insert config file name here** please type your root password) or why it doesnt restart X on its own, its a design flaw I think should be addressed. Of course on many commercial distros this doesnt occur (for example AFAIK you can install the nvidia drivers through yast on suse without the pain in the ass config or manually stopping/starting X).

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    15. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops sorry, forgot that only politically correct non-offensive humor was allowed.

    16. Re:Microsoft CES Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is kinda what I meant - there's definite room for improvement, and it's a fallacy to say that the usability of Linux is at the same level as Windows. It's getting there, but a lot of the work is being put into the wrong areas.

      And once again, I apologise for anon posting, but I've really not got the time I'd spend if I registered here.

  4. U3 by HeghmoH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Flash storage manufacturers SanDisk and M-Systems are slated to announce Friday at CES a new USB standard called U3, which enables users to carry, store and launch applications directly from a USB flash drive without installation.

    Do we really need "a new USB standard" to allow apps to run without installation? I've been doing this on my Mac forever. I know that this can work on Windows if you write the program correctly. Why the need for a giant consortium?

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    1. Re:U3 by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you have an autorun.inf file on the media, Windows (if configured to do so) will read it and do what it says.

      I know it works with removable USB hard drives, we have various demos setup on usb drives, so all our dopey marketing folk have to do is plug it in to their laptop, and it starts up.

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    2. Re:U3 by daves · · Score: 2, Informative

      From the description in the article, it sounds like there is a sandbox involved.

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    3. Re:U3 by peragrin · · Score: 0

      >>Why the need for a giant consortium?

      Because it's the MSFT way?
      One company to rule them all,
      One company to find them,
      One company to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

      In the land of Redmond were the shadow's lay.

      Note: I don't really think Redmond, Wash. is evil. It just goes best.

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    4. Re:U3 by b374 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is that U2's upgrade? Is it for the next black iPod?

    5. Re:U3 by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      Read it again, Microsoft isn't in the U3 consortium. They don't want to be in it cause they don't control it.

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    6. Re:U3 by mzwaterski · · Score: 1

      LOL RTFA: Microsoft is mysteriously missing from the list of supporters for this standard.

    7. Re:U3 by KevinKnSC · · Score: 0, Troll
      First, the shadows (no apostrophe) lie in Redmond. It would be lay if the shadows were doing it to something else, or if the shadows were lying in the past.

      Second, Microsoft isn't even part of the U3 group. Nice slam at MS, though. You really burned 'em.

    8. Re:U3 by Genady · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hrm... this seems.... like a potential for evil. I can see this as a virus propagation vector. Just like floppies, but better because you can put a lot larger payload on a thumb drive. Am I the only one who can see a 'Windows XP Root Kit Thumbdrive' surfacing on eBay? Will we be talking about 'Thumb Kiddies' in a few years?

      With universities pushing USB flash as the storage medium of choice in their computer labs I think that college IT's job is about to get a bit tougher.

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    9. Re:U3 by IWorkForMorons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's worse then that. How long do you think it will take before this is the only method of software distribution available? It's got all of the features vendors like...none of this "just copy the software" any more. Don't have the USB drive? Lose it somewhere? Well then you don't have the software anymore. Looks like you'll have to buy a new one. And speaking about "Thumb Kiddies"...think of the new and exciting viruses you'll pick up from pirated drives. Plus all the ones you'll pick up off the net and spread around with you as you travel.

      Yeah, this is a little tinhat-ish, but you never know...

    10. Re:U3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AAAAHH! Shut up! It's like the 70's of nerddom again with the Lord of the Rings crap.

    11. Re:U3 by argent · · Score: 1

      Because it's hard to do in Windows? Isn't that enough reason?

    12. Re:U3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Windows has this nifty feature called the Windows Registery which resides on your hard drive and stores all of the settings and installation image for every modern application you might think of. It was designed to get rid of the "ini file clutter" of previous versions of Windows, and has done so rather well. It's really rather clever, and has solved many problems with the Windows platform. Once you go Registry, you don't go back!

      At least, until your registry gets corrupted and every single application on your machine begins to fail. Or your registry "hive" gets too large and Windows refuses to boot, so you have to boot into the Windows Recovery Console and do some magic to bring it back under control. Or, in this case, you want to have applications be more mobile and work from a removable device, on any system you happen to attach that removable device to.

      Yup, the Windows Registry is great!

    13. Re:U3 by kaustik · · Score: 1

      Not that this is necessarily a USB root kit, but there is a very handy little tool called the Metropipe Virtual Privacy Machine that fits nicely on a 128MB USB drive. You pop it into a computer that is booted into Windows and can bring up a virtual machine running a tiny version of Linux, complete with GUI, web, email, etc. There is even a tool included that opens up an encrypted tunnel to Metropipe, bypassing any proxy servers or web filtering that may be in place on your network. The entire OS remains on the USB drive, leaving no temporary Internet files or other traces behind. It is nice to have if you commonly walk into restricted or monitored networks and want some privacy.
      The tools might also include a file browser so that you can bypass local NTFS security, but I haven't looked.
      I know that Knoppix (sp?) can do similar things, but this does not require a reboot or access to BIOS to allow booting of a CD ROM. It only requires that the USB is active.
      The site is down for maintenance right now, but Here is the Google cache.

    14. Re:U3 by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      No, we don't, I have no idea why it belongs at CES anyway, seems like a pure software thing. To me, those new even tinier USB thumb drives are way cooler. If you haven't seen them yet, they've removed the standard metal jacket around the USB plug, leaving only the small plastic part with the contacts on the inside that you usually don't see. It doesn't even look like a USB plug but it still fits into a normal USB port, and the resulting drives are much thinner than a normal USB plug. And, they don't have those annoying little covers that USB drives always come with. They probably violate the USB standard, or something, but they're still a great idea.

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    15. Re:U3 by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1
      picture

      smaller than a memory stick!

      One of those ideas that is obvious in hindsight. Why did they even make all those crazy memory card formats in the first place? All we needed was USB.

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  5. Cell phone TV by nizo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Great, now people can not only talk on the phone, but also watch tv on their cell phone while they drive.

    1. Re:Cell phone TV by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, you can use your Camera Cell Phone to take a picture of them watching their TV Cell Phone (Be sure to get a picture of their License plate), and notify their insurance company.

      And I'll use my Video Cell Phone to take a movie of you watching your Camera Cell Phone to watch them ...

    2. Re:Cell phone TV by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 2, Funny

      Driving. Who cares about driving?

      What I'm most worried about is the users of cell phones with TV being allowed on flights. Now I have to spend 5 hours being crushed by the sweaty overweight guy next to me, who's watching King of Queens reruns while giving a play-by-play, complete with guffaws, to his best bud on the other end of the line.

      I wonder if I could claim temporary insanity if I were to injure my neighbor in that situation?

      John.

    3. Re:Cell phone TV by zymurgyboy · · Score: 1
      Uh, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this ends up in one of the 6 through 10 slots on the ol' Wired Vaporware Top 10 for '05.

      Why 6 through 10? Who really expects this to not suck enough for anyone to really be clamoring for it in the first place?

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    4. Re:Cell phone TV by XeresRazor · · Score: 1

      Actually it won't, these phones are already out in Japan. They're simply a cell phone with an integrated TV tuner, they suck through batteries like mad though,less than 2 hours of TV watching time from what I've read, on the other hand there's apparently cell service providers in japan that are giving them out free (one of my friends transferred to EA Japan and bought them for himself and his wife).

    5. Re:Cell phone TV by zymurgyboy · · Score: 1
      The fact that they're decent in Japan is probably because their wireless phone infrastructure is light years ahead of the US though, wouldn't you say?

      Even if Verizon hands their version out for free, I doubt we'll see this take off here. The typical Japanese appetite for latest, hottest gadgetry far outstrips the typical American appetite.

      However, that said, I'd love to be proven wrong on both counts. I just think I will anytime soon.

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    6. Re:Cell phone TV by zymurgyboy · · Score: 1

      don't think I will, that is.

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    7. Re:Cell phone TV by ToKsUri · · Score: 1

      At first it sounded strange, but I've been using TV in my cell phone for some months now. Here in Spain we have 3G since summer thanks to Vodafone. I've been using it since several months and among other things I can watch CNN live 24 hrs with great quality and speed. 3G (aka UMTS) offers up to 384kbps here in europe, and if you take into account that my mobile screen has 320x240 resolution, that is more than enough for quality videostreaming.
      Before I used my ipod most mornings while in the bus way to work. Now I have this phone where I can watch the news instantly and I am pretty much addicted to it. When all the tsunami thing I could just heard it slightly in the news while having breakfast, but in the bus I could connect to CNN and have all the information I needed.
      But that's not all. I can still carry my Mp3's to listen on the phone (ok not the same as my ipod, but still works for when I need it), I can even upload the latest south park episode in 3gp, and watch it during the 25 minutes my journery lasts. And overall, I access slashdot.org/palm at faaaaast speed.
      Really, now I sometimes hope the journey from home to work takes longer.
      At first people looked strange at me, but this christmas Vodafone offered a 3G Motorola for nearly 100$ which is way cheaper than many 2G phones... I've already seen other people ocasionally commuting like me ;)

    8. Re:Cell phone TV by amembleton · · Score: 1

      Parent wrote: The fact that they're decent in Japan is probably because their wireless phone infrastructure is light years ahead of the US though, wouldn't you say?

      Grand-parent wrote: They're simply a cell phone with an integrated TV tuner

      Does their 'wireless phone infrastructure' have anything to do with receiving a TV signal? Surely it has more to do with their wireless television infratructure.

    9. Re:Cell phone TV by zymurgyboy · · Score: 1
      No, it wouldn't if that's actually what he meant. After rereading his response to my original post, I'm not sure. I didn't parse what he said quite as precisely as you did, but I took him to mean a means of decoding video delivered over a wireless phone network.

      I could see this making sense in Japan both ways and likewise failing both ways here in the US. Firstly, I wonder how much appeal the four networks have around here for most people. Timeshifted viewing, unedited (HBO-style, if you will) content, commercial free viewing... all these concepts are starting to catch on, or have already, here. I can't believe very many people would care about getting over-the-air American network TV on a cell phone. Of course, this assumes they can get a good enough signal to make it practical anyway. I admittedly have no idea, but I'd guess Japanese broadcast TV is less limited due to having to cover a smaller area than the US. I cannot speak to the quality of the content versus the 4 broadcast networks here.

      As for the video-over-wireless-phone-network approach, I don't think my collective reasoning is too far off the mark.

      I would point out: what the child to my original post referred to isn't anything like the "cool thing" (video delivered over the cellular phone network), mentioned in the article, that I was referring to in the first place.

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    10. Re:Cell phone TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if I could claim temporary insanity if I were to injure my neighbor in that situation?

      Sorry you can't: by the sounds of it you're already permanently insane.

    11. Re:Cell phone TV by zymurgyboy · · Score: 1
      I would point out: what the child to my original post referred to isn't anything like the "cool thing" (video delivered over the cellular phone network), mentioned in the article, that I was referring to in the first place.
      As you interpreted it, that is.
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    12. Re:Cell phone TV by zymurgyboy · · Score: 1

      My interest is piqued. Did I read you properly or did 'ANSI C compiler guy' (I jest) who responded to me get it right?

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    13. Re:Cell phone TV by amembleton · · Score: 1

      Sorry for my somewhat arsey reply.

      Anyways, a seperate TV Tuner is not impressive. Streaming over the network however is, as you mentioned a cool thing. Another post somewhere in this discussion pointed out that in Spain you can watch CNN live on your 3G phone. I'm in the UK, and we have several 3G networks, who are keen to provide goals (football/soccer) as they happen but no talk of TV (yet).

    14. Re:Cell phone TV by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      I'm so sick of this, "Great, just what we need, people [using a new invention], while driving!" whine.

      Some people are just BAD DRIVERS. They don't need a new invention to make suck, they just do. Whether it be bad judgement or poor hand-to-eye coordination. If some moron was going to watch TV on his phone while driving, trust me, he or she (ok, she), was going to do something equally stupid while driving.

      That is why you must learn the art of defensive driving, which can be boiled down to the idea that, "everyone else around you is a fucking idiot."

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    15. Re:Cell phone TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saw this at the last CTIA. The guy about to give the demo was all gushing about the 4 (FOUR) handsets it was ready to release on. With no clue about the hundred or so he would need to port it to in order to make any money, he then proceeded to show me video running at about 1/2 frame per second and skipping audio. Wow, what a piece of garbage!

      This COULD be done alot better. But it won't for a while.

    16. Re:Cell phone TV by XeresRazor · · Score: 1

      The phones in japan are simply a standard cell phone with a tv tuner integrated that can display on the screen.
      It's like taking a cell phone and sticking one of those little LCD tv's inside it. It doesn't receive digital video over the cell network (this has already been available in 3G phones for quite awhile) it simply picks up standard broadcast TV. I'd ask my friend for the model number but it's the middle of the night his time so he's a bit hard to reach. I know he does use it to watch TV on the train on the way to work but it tends to lose signal when he goes into the subway.

  6. Re:Top 10 Reasons to Move to Windows 2000 Professi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why wouldn't I want to use Windows XP Professional and Windows Server 2003 instead?

  7. Amateur look by suso · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or do the display tables look very amateurish? I have never been to CES before though so...

    1. Re:Amateur look by introverted · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Is it just me, or do the display tables look very amateurish?

      It's not clearly stated in the article, but my guess is that the photos were taken at the "Pepcom Digital Experience" pre-CES event. Those are just the tables you'll find at any hotel, complete with an inexpensive (but durable) tablecloth and decorative table skirt.

      But why are you taking note of tables in the photos? The very first page after the introduction includes a genuine "Booth Babe" and surely she's more interesting than any silly table. :-)

  8. Do they have: by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny
    Do they have:

    Digital cameras that act as cell phones?

    Handheld gameboy clones that play MP3s?

    Mp3 players that play videogames?

    Cell phones that play MP3's?

    Cell phones that play videogames?

    Mp3 players that take digital pictures?

    Gameboys that make phone calls?

    If I left off any of the the ridiculous convergence that makes up so much of tech buzz these days, let me know.

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    1. Re:Do they have: by MikeXpop · · Score: 1

      1. Nope, not that I know of
      2. Nokia N-Gage
      3. iPod has breakout
      4. Some motorolla phones do this
      5. Nokia N-Gage again
      6. Not that I know of
      7. Well, Nokia N-Gage.

      I'd also like to mention that the Game Boy Camera acts as a Gameboy that takes digital pictures.

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    2. Re:Do they have: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before you waste money on all that stupidness, go donate to help the tsunami victims. You seem to have way too much time and (parents') money on your hands. Stop being so selfish and spoiled too.

    3. Re:Do they have: by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      You missed the Pocket PC that acts as a Camera, a WiFi Phone, a Cell Phone, a Bluetooth Navigator (with addition of Bluetooth GPS of course), a video game player, an MP3 player, a video player, and a Sattelite phone.

      It's going to be a damned long time before anybody beats HP out in the convergence field. (For those who don't know, I'm talking about the high end of the 4000 and 6000 series that actually came out *before* CES). Oh yeah, and thanks to Familiar Linux and/or the various 8088 emulators out for the platform, yes, they do run Linux.

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    4. Re:Do they have: by CausticPuppy · · Score: 1

      All of the items on your list would be useless to me unless they also have GPS capability. And perhaps even a thing that tells time.

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    5. Re:Do they have: by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      All of the above- 1 to 7- are covered in a single device from HP that TMobile is selling as a cell phone. True, it's a bit larger than most of those- the 640x480 screen adds some size all on it's own- but it does do all of the above and then some (damn thing actually has 4 radios in it: Wi-Fi, GPRS, GMS, Bluetooth). Add only one more small box (a Bluetooth GPS unit) and you've got the ultimate convergance machine.

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    6. Re:Do they have: by the0ther · · Score: 0

      Original poster is such a hater. Come feel the convergence love Mr. Man.

    7. Re:Do they have: by eclectro · · Score: 1

      If I left off any of the the ridiculous convergence that makes up so much of tech buzz these days, let me know.

      Yeah, you forgot the flashlight, heartrate monitor, and tire pressure guage with digital voice.

      Then we have convergence!

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    8. Re:Do they have: by igrp · · Score: 1
      1. Nope, not that I know of
      2. Nokia N-Gage
      3. iPod has breakout
      4. Some motorolla phones do this
      5. Nokia N-Gage again
      6. Not that I know of
      7. Well, Nokia N-Gage.

      1. Me neither. Bad since most new cell phones have a built-in camera, and since there's already 3 megapixel cam/cell phones available (with 4 MP just around the corner) with storage becoming increasingly cheaper, I think it's only a matter of time before we cross from "cell phone with a camera gizzmo" into "full fledged digital camera that also takes phone calls".
      Sure, professionell photographers won't ditch their equipment and anyone who's serious about taking pictures still won't bother with these. But there's a point where a cell phone cam is "just enough" for the average Joe. And that point, there's just no point in carrying an extra digital camera. So, in essence, you the digital camera and the cell phone become indistinguishable.

      4. True. There's quite a few other cell phones that have MP3 playback capabilities (I know Siemens and Samsung make some, plus there's the smartphones and PDA/cell phone clones). And since the ringtone business is pretty lucrative and kids definitely do want MP3-like ringtones, it's just a matter of time before MP3-like audio playback becomes a standard.

      5. See above. Most business phones have Java. And those handsets that are marketed towards the 14-23 crowd, do definitely support games (usually through Java and on-demand GPRS downloads which are - again - big money makers).

    9. Re:Do they have: by 14erCleaner · · Score: 1

      You forgot sunglasses that play MP3's, my personal nominee for the most overhyped and ridiculous "convergence" of 2003.

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    10. Re:Do they have: by killermookie · · Score: 1

      So what sort of vortex/blackhole/space-time rip will I open up if I use my cell phone to take a picture of my friend who's listening to his iPod while playing the latest Gameboy?

    11. Re:Do they have: by NinjaFarmer · · Score: 0

      What I'm looking for is a cell phone that has a PDA quality planner.

    12. Re:Do they have: by coopaq · · Score: 1
      Hate to go down this road, but the PocketPC has been able to do all those things for some time.

      Yes it runs Linux.

      Yes it has Quake... and microdrives fit... and gameboy emulation... and... you get it.

      Quick someone make and evil Microsoft or battery joke.

    13. Re:Do they have: by elemental23 · · Score: 1

      That is the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

      Also, WTF did that idiot on their web site do to his teeth?

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    14. Re:Do they have: by Speare · · Score: 3, Funny

      I swear, Brookstone and Sharper Image share this business model: they make a huge grid chart with every geek gadget labeling each row, and every yuppie gadget labeling each column. They then produce a Taiwanese product that implements each intersecting grid. Mix most combinations of golfball-caddy, hammock-pole, grill-fork, lawn-lamp, wine-caddy with phone-minder, address-book, usb-stick, music-player, calculator. Now you get the picture.

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    15. Re:Do they have: by SunFan · · Score: 1


      My favorite is the lava lamp with the hammock hanging inside of it. All the drug trips without the drugs!

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  9. How about THINGS YOU CAN STICK YOUR IPOD IN? by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Like, your ass.

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    1. Re:How about THINGS YOU CAN STICK YOUR IPOD IN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I suppose that's a little better than the greased-up Yoda doll. My bowels are still unglued from that episode.

    2. Re:How about THINGS YOU CAN STICK YOUR IPOD IN? by Jon+Kent · · Score: 1

      "Is it the shape, or just the pounding baseline?"

    3. Re:How about THINGS YOU CAN STICK YOUR IPOD IN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh poor donkey.

    4. Re:How about THINGS YOU CAN STICK YOUR IPOD IN? by TeamSPAM · · Score: 1

      So are you bitter cause you can't afford one or that it won't play org vorbis? ;)

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    5. Re:How about THINGS YOU CAN STICK YOUR IPOD IN? by spac3manspiff · · Score: 1

      great... next thing you know, they're going to sell geek sex toys.

      sigh

    6. Re:How about THINGS YOU CAN STICK YOUR IPOD IN? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      And is still useless if you don't run windows, AFAIK.

    7. Re:How about THINGS YOU CAN STICK YOUR IPOD IN? by SunFan · · Score: 1


      Apple's new line of personal portable electronic suppository product line. "Hey, Carl, your ass is ringing!" "Damn, I'm busy, could you get the call for me!" "Fuck, man, no way am I touching that thing!" "Stupid salesman told me that this suppository was all the rage, dammit!" "Good luck getting a refund, buddy."

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  10. iPod Video Display by Attar81 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think that video attachment for the iPod looked pretty cool. I've not seen a HD-based video player that has a clamshell design. It makes a lot of sense (protects the screen and keys and kind of makes double to space for keys and screen)

    1. Re:iPod Video Display by podperson · · Score: 2, Informative

      "I've not seen a HD-based video player that has a clamshell design."

      I have. It's called an iBook. I'm guessing that it's not much more expensive than an iPod + this piece of junk, has a far better screen, plays DVDs, and has interchangeable batteries.

    2. Re:iPod Video Display by Attar81 · · Score: 1

      Or any other laptop... But that is much bigger than this or other HD video players.

  11. Nyko's iPod movie player by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I read the press release for this a day or so ago, but didn't know it would be this cool.

    My wife and I have been talking about getting a pair of portable DVD players for the kids - or, as I call it, "sanity preservers" so during the 10-12 hour drive to Grandma's house, Dad doesn't kill them after the 6000th "Are we there yet? I'm bored!"

    I can take their entire "Angelic Layer" and "Magic Knight Rayearth", rip the DVD's to AVI's and then slap them onto an iPod. 20 GB of data should store about 60 movies (at about 300 MB apiece) - plenty to store an entire season at once, with room left over in case Daddy wants to watch one of "his" movies while Mommy drives for a little while.

    No worrying about the DVD disks getting lost in the car or damaged (a problem since the cartoons belong to Daddy who gets very upset when they get scratched), and since the 5 year old is now listening to her own music she can either watch her movie or listen to something.

    Very cool idea from Nyko. Depending on the cost, I can see myself snagging one of these things.

    1. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by SoTuA · · Score: 1
      My wife and I have been talking about getting a pair of portable DVD players for the kids - or, as I call it, "sanity preservers" so during the 10-12 hour drive to Grandma's house, Dad doesn't kill them after the 6000th "Are we there yet? I'm bored!"

      Actually, for said purpose there are better products, like the DVD players designed to be strapped to the back of the headrest, and run on the cigarrette lighter plug.

    2. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, if you don't already have an iPod, it would seem an Archos box would make the wiser investment, since you can basically do what you want with it, rather than be limited to certain "allowed" formats.

      You can get a portable DVD player designed for kids for about 100 bucks, though. We got our youngest one for christmas. It's not a sexy geek device, the battery is an old NiCad and weighs a ton, and only lasts 4 hours or so. But it works great, and it reads DVD-Rs and VCDs.

      80 bucks for the player and pennies per blank disc, and you stay just as sane on a long car trip as with the 500 dollar iPod + 300 dollar "peripheral" (just guessing at what they'd charge, but that sounds right for what is essentially a self-contained media player and usb host, minus the hard drive).

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    3. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by TrollBridge · · Score: 2, Funny
      "or, as I call it, 'sanity preservers'

      Or as I call it, "the electronic teat".

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    4. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Dude, I don't want to second guess you and I really don't mean to be a dick here but I honestly believe that you should consider making some changes when you comes to your parenting.

      You are - in all seriousness - suggesting that your five-year-old needs an iPod with a video attachement. I do concurr with you that it's a cool gadget (and it attests to the expandability of the iPod). But for a five-year-old kid? Come on.

      A small child doesn't need ~$600 or so worth of electronic equipment. All a child of that age needs is it's imagination. Motivate your kids to do something besides watching DVDs and playing games. You need to show them that there's cool stuff out there, that there's an alternative to just staring at a screen.

      Trust me, it's harder than using a DVD player as a fallback babysitter but it pays off over time. Twenty years later, your kids will be very thankful for showing them an alternative to watching DVDs for hours on end (not flaming, just saying).

      Besides, should you choose that watching DVDs is right for your kids (hey, who am I to tell you what to do with your offspring), do yourself a favor and buy a cheap DVD viewer. You can get them at Walmart for at lot less than this device (let alone, an iPod plus this device) and they play DVD+/-Rs.

    5. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by Ubergrendle · · Score: 2, Funny

      My wife and I have been talking about getting a pair of portable DVD players for the kids - or, as I call it, "sanity preservers" so during the 10-12 hour drive to Grandma's house, Dad doesn't kill them after the 6000th "Are we there yet? I'm bored!"

      I believe a single Taser is more cost effective than individual DVD players, especially once you get past 2 kids.

      Or you can resort to my technique of "NyQuil" in the juice container...

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    6. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 1

      Considering that you missed the part that said "Long 10-12 hour car trips", not "everyday use", I'll thank you for your advice - though it completely missed the mark of what I was trying to convey.

    7. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We got our youngest one for christmas.

      Oh, shit stratjakt, YOU HAVE KIDS???? Heaven help us.

    8. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My wife and I have been talking about getting a pair of portable DVD players for the kids - or, as I call it, "sanity preservers" so during the 10-12 hour drive to Grandma's house, Dad doesn't kill them after the 6000th "Are we there yet? I'm bored!"

      My kid is still a baby, so I haven't experienced the "Are we there yet?" years too much. And I'm not trying to be preachy-- I just want to know what other parents do with their kids.

      You and I survived these long car rides with books, games, puppets, imagination and long period of staring out the window (a great time for day dreaming and thinking, and I still do it). We didn't have this constant stream of stimulation being pushed at us, and we survived fine.

      Are you sure you want to push your kids (and you and your wife) for 10-12 hours? How about getting a hotel somewhere in the middle there. You all need more rest then that, and the drive would be more leasurely-- you could even drive for a few hours, take a break and see some of the sights and get some exercise, and then drive again. You'll also drive much more safer...

      Dvd or not, 10-12 hours in a car can't be good for you or your kids.

    9. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by spuke4000 · · Score: 1
      plenty to store an entire season at once, with room left over in case Daddy wants to watch one of "his" movies

      Or as I call it, "the electronic teat".

      Makes one wonder if the two are related.

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    10. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm doing fine, it's his kids that need heaven's help... This stratjakt guy is a lunatic.

    11. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I used to read books on long car trips. I know...it's crazy.

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    12. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1
      You and I survived these long car rides with books, games, puppets, imagination and long period of staring out the window (a great time for day dreaming and thinking, and I still do it). We didn't have this constant stream of stimulation being pushed at us, and we survived fine.

      Well, I did that too, except for trips to the beach. Then we had that nice, long, winding road through the coast range which did not necessarily make reading while the car was in motion a good idea (motion sickness anyone?)

      Then again, I don't see how you could avoid the motion sickness problem with an in-car TV either.

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    13. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you just give her some crack already and sell her to the white slave trade in asia. It's apparent that you aren't a parent.

    14. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but what do you do when your kid asks the same question during a 14 hour plane ride from NY to Singapore?

    15. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll bets are off for a 14 hour plane ride.

      Have them walk up and down the isle a bunch of times, once you left American Airspace, give them some beer :)

    16. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 1

      Then we had that nice, long, winding road through the coast range which did not necessarily make reading while the car was in motion a good idea (motion sickness anyone?)

      Most of my long drives involve the Coastal Range (in California, looks like you are up in Oregon). There is still a ton of stuff to look at... mountains, trees, seaside towns... call me crazy, but watching these things go by kept me occupied for hours... "how do these people live way out here", "look at that beautiful mountain", "I wanna go camping there"...

      And if you take breaks and get to walk in the trees, it's even better!

    17. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by Pendragn_tk · · Score: 1

      We also weren't strapped into cars seats so that we couldn't move a muscle. We were able to roll around in the seats and fight with our siblings to make the time go by. These days kids under 18 damned near need to be strapped into a straight jacket as far from the front of the vehicle as possible. So the analogy isn't exactly the same. tk

    18. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by hobbesx · · Score: 1
      We didn't have this constant stream of stimulation being pushed at us...

      (you and your wife) for 10-12 hours?


      Must ... Resist... spam ... your wife... Joke!

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    19. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      I have motion sickness issues, so reading in the car was not a viable option when I was a kid. Usually, I just suffered through the time trying not to puke.

      I built a stand that fits between the front seats in our van. It provides a stable platform for either a laptop or a flat screen (15" is nice) monitor fed by a Viewsonic video-to-VGA converter (broadcast reception comes for free.) We can pipe video tapes in through a portable VCR. The 4-year-old is fully entertained, and typically doesn't complain about "are we there yet." Her preference is to play MAME games on the laptop. Logitech USB game controllers fit her hands well. Gauntlet is her favorite. I'm soooo proud ...

    20. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by Keruo · · Score: 1

      > Long 10-12 hour car trips
      um, take the train instead?
      or fly?

      if you must drive, just take one of those trains which have wagons for cars, which run overnight
      you sleep in the train overnight and wake up at morning near the place where you were going

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    21. Re:Nyko's iPod movie player by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 1

      In the US??? I can't think of anywhere I'd want to go that a train also goes. Hell, around here you can't even find passenger trains: they're all freight.

  12. Apps launching from USB by davidwr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Gee, we've had apps launching from CDs and before that floppies since, what, before 1980?

    Seriously, I wish more vendors would put "try me"/no-install versions of their apps on their distribution media, so I could use my apps without the bother of installing.

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    1. Re:Apps launching from USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only Live CDs stretched beyond Linux...

    2. Re:Apps launching from USB by taniwha · · Score: 1

      yup - another wonderfull virus medium .... (and already here) I had a friend's camera try and infect my machine the other day .... he'd stopped at an internet cafe to upload his photos to his travel blog and gotten it infected ...

  13. Actually, after reading TFA... by SoTuA · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I think it should read "things you can stick your ipod into". Although maybe then slashdot would start setting off adult filters...

  14. Wow by kaedemichi255 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hot girl at the CES. Notice that she's got a tag on which means she's one of the show attendants. What a great way to market! (I'm so there next year!)

    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny


      Hot girl at the CES


      Her life must be hell this week.

    2. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's the new Sony AIblow, not a human girl. It is CES, after all.

      (sorry couldn't resist)

    3. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, that's just CowboyNeal in drag.

    4. Re:Wow by the+Man+in+Black · · Score: 1

      Hot girl at the CES.

      I clicked the link thinking "Typical geek standards of attractiveness. I'm sure she's fairly to modestly attractive in a dowdy sort of way. Or maybe she looks like Morgan Webb or something". Then I saw the picture. She is in fact smoking flaming hot, and I need to know what in god's name she's doing at a consumer electronics show.

      Unless she's a porn star. Isn't that upstairs of the show, though?

    5. Re:Wow by The-Dalai-LLama · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I used to work for a company that made memory upgrades. One of the key purchasing agents was a smoking hot little petite blonde who, at the time of this story, was not even old enough to drink.

      One year at CES some would-be vendor made a remark about the company having a piece of "fluff" at the booth. She wheeled on him and let fly with a diatribe that showcased her comprehensive knowledge of RAM chips, PCB issues, and our company's component needs and then she let him know, in no uncertain terms, that whether or not we ever purchased a single capacitor from his company would be a decision made by the petite piece of fluff with bubble gum-pink fingernails that he was speaking with at that very moment.


      He walked away dazed. I don't think we ever did business with him.



      The Dalai LLama
    6. Re:Wow by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      You'll have to if you want to see any girl like this at CES, your link is smoked!

    7. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn I wanna marry that girl!
      But then again, us geeks are probally just too sweet. We should just stay friends. :'(

    8. Re:Wow by zenbanana · · Score: 1

      So how many of us clicked, looked at the girl for 1.5 seconds, then looked at the case for four times longer? I certainly did.

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    9. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir are a metrosexual.

    10. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      So how many of us clicked, looked at the girl for 1.5 seconds, then looked at the case for four times longer? I certainly did.


      Case? There was a case?

    11. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm.. are you gay? I didnt even notice the case till I read your msg...

    12. Re:Wow by XPisthenewNT · · Score: 1

      I looked at the girl, went "WHOA, is that Brittny Spears?!?!?!" Then looked at the case for four times longer. Oh, but I am a homo.

    13. Re:Wow by javaxman · · Score: 1
      I figured she was just working the booth, so big deal.

      But check out this image from the after party... there's a whole little group of them, what's up with *that*?!?

    14. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hookers

    15. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So did you fuck that stupid whore or..?

    16. Re:Wow by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      She reminds me, quite a lot, of a young Jessica Alba. (I loved Dark Angel, then saw an old movie she was in and only barely recognized her; apparently, she got a lip job between the movie and Dark Angel because her lips were so much smaller in the movie.)

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    17. Re:Wow by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1
      and I need to know what in god's name she's doing at a consumer electronics show

      My guess is she's getting paid to draw people toward VoodooPC's new computer system, and get people to link to pictures of it from Slashdot.

    18. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had already seen the case, so when alerted that she might be an actual geek/nerd. I nearly cried at not being in vegas. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY cant I be there. If she can explain to me what solid advantages the machines have over me custom building in real techspeak with real cogent points, while looking like that, I will buy anything she is selling.

  15. Wait a minute... by revery · · Score: 1

    Is this just a clever dupe of the story on vaporware?

    Also, did anyone else find the list of coming attractions to be a bit underwhelming?

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    1. Re:Wait a minute... by javaxman · · Score: 1
      Is this just a clever dupe of the story on vaporware?
      Also, did anyone else find the list of coming attractions to be a bit underwhelming?

      Actually, it's likely that it all seems a bit underwhelming because most of it are actually *real* products which, most likely, *will* ship. Which means it's actually all kinda boring because it's just updates of stuff we've already seen, or stuff we knew was comming.

      I've seen at least one other article today with such analysis; things that once were "this will happen some day" are now either happening ( handheld media players ), or not being talked about at the show ( networked everything, except maybe the one networked stove ).

  16. Day 0 by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    All: Day-0, day-ay-ay-0
    All: Bill Gates come and he wanna go home
    All: Day, he say day, he say day, he say day,
    All: He say day, he say day-ay-ay-o
    All: Microsoft come and he wanna go home

    Boys: Hack all night on a drink a'rum
    Girls: Daylight come and he wanna go home
    Boys: Hack manana till thee morning come
    Girls: Bill gates come and he wanna go home

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    1. Re:Day 0 by eclectro · · Score: 1

      All: Day-0, day-ay-ay-0 All: Bill Gates come and he wanna go home

      Not bad, really. But you forgot the thing about the commies.

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    2. Re:Day 0 by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
      "Not bad, really. But you forgot the thing about the commies."

      ' Bill Gates Come and say-a commie go home '.

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    3. Re:Day 0 by Lindsay+Lohan · · Score: 1
      All: He say day, he say day-ay-ay-o
      Great song. Here are some more cool Microsoft tunes if you're interested.
  17. Fanless media center? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the /. world, Microsoft's media center is already fanless.

    1. Re:Fanless media center? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you're joking, but I've been spending a lot of time in the past few weeks planning a MythTV box, and I can tell you that unless you want to buy a complete system and pay the MS tax, you're probably not going to get a decent media center that's fanless.
      That is, MS MCE PCs are more fanless that DIY or barebone media center PCs. In a good way.

  18. Konica/Minolta Analysis Suspect by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    These guys seem to think that it's smart for K/M to put their image stabilization technology inside the camera body instead of the lenses since it'll make the lenses less expensive. Nice thought.

    I would point them to the lesson Contax learned when they put autofocus inside the camera body for the 35mm SLRs (the film plane moved back and forth in a mechanical box inside the camera to achieve focus). It was a great solution and allowed full autofocus with all of those great Contax lenses. It also died in the market.

    For some reason, most photogs seem to want motors in their lenses. I don't understand it, but that's the way it is.

    1. Re:Konica/Minolta Analysis Suspect by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      probably because there's too much shit inside the camera already, and 9/10 times a serviced camera is never the same again.

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    2. Re:Konica/Minolta Analysis Suspect by Ironsides · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Main reason it probably died was due to the body being completely incompatible with previous lenses. Go spend 5K (or more in most cases )on lenses and then tell me you want a body that is incompatible with them.

      The image stabilization in teh body, however, if it is compatible with current lenses WILL SELL. Especially to people that can't afford the current auto stabilizing lenses. (like me) Best bet for that is to license it to Nikon and Cannon for theirs and they will make a bloody mint.

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    3. Re:Konica/Minolta Analysis Suspect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm... Contax's offering suffered more from the price than anything. Their existing userbase were not the techno-fetish type and few of them needed autofocus. People who needed AF had already moved to other systems and dedicated Contax lovers were not actually the right market segment for such an expensive camera.

    4. Re:Konica/Minolta Analysis Suspect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I can remember the range by which the image plane could be moved was rather limited since there is only so much room in a camera body - good enough for focal lengths around normal, but insufficient for longer lenses where autofocus gets interesting.

    5. Re:Konica/Minolta Analysis Suspect by LurkerXXX · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about getting a gyro unit to hook up to the camera you already have? For $1200 you can get a gyro kit from ken-lab. Expensive, and extra weight, but you can keep using the camera and lenses you already have.

  19. Autorun anybody by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    Sounds just like what they did with Windows 95. You put an autorun.inf file on the disk and as soon as the system sees it, it starts.

    What's the market for this anyway. Am i going to have to carry one dongle for each application?

    Surely it'd be better to work on a standard for applications that run from removable media... require that they run from a single exe file and create some sort of sub-registry on the removable device - that'd make it easy for people to handroll their own usb functionality.

    1. Re:Autorun anybody by Specter · · Score: 1

      "What's the market for this anyway."

      What about (assuming the usb is big and fast enough) hosting an MMO client? Aren't people perennially complaining about griefers? If you could uniquely identify the key chain and it was required for game play, then you could ban the device if someone misbehaved badly enough. They'd have to buy another device to get back on and at say $50 a pop being a griefer would become an expensive proposition very quickly.

      Plus it'd be pretty cool to take your "Dark Age of Evercrack Heroes Galaxy" addiction with you wherever you went.

    2. Re:Autorun anybody by arkanes · · Score: 1

      Because some sort of hypothetical multi-tier keychain system is so much simpler and more available than just banning the account, right? Identifying a griefer is not the hard part of controlling them.

    3. Re:Autorun anybody by Teogue · · Score: 1

      You do not have to house the entire thing on the USB key. Anti-piracy dongles like the Smartdongle could work great in the scenario you describe. Just so long as the key is required to play the game, and houses some intrinsic information about the player then it would be a sinch to weed out all but the most determined (and wealthy) griefers.

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    4. Re:Autorun anybody by Specter · · Score: 1

      Couldn't you just create a new account?

    5. Re:Autorun anybody by arkanes · · Score: 1

      For another $50, sure. Maybe it's more of a problem in MMORPGs with free/cheap downloads of the base game.

  20. Don't even respond by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    Don't even respond unless you have a USB thumb drive with an embedded commodore joystick. Begone with you!

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  21. use my dads method: by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    me: "Are we there yet? I'm bored!"
    dad: "yes, get out."

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    1. Re:use my dads method: by LetterJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah. The one time my brother and I were left by the side of the road we learned our lesson on this one.

      Threats were not idle in our house. I did go without supper, did have the TV physically taken away and my father was ALWAYS told when he got home.

      Of course, I also went to a school with pretty harsh discipline, where the entire male population of the 8th grade was given group detention for 2 weeks.

      I definitely never needed any of these lessons taught twice, so I'm a fan.

    2. Re:use my dads method: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm gonna be using THAT!

    3. Re:use my dads method: by SpookyFish · · Score: 1

      Sounds pretty familiar to me.. and you know, though it may have seemed to suck at the time, AFAIC(care), political correctness can go to %#@A, because it turned out pretty good kids.

      PARENTS have the responsibility, not schools, government, etc..

    4. Re:use my dads method: by LetterJ · · Score: 1

      Yeah. There's something about standing on the side of the road with your suitcase on the ground next to you, watching the car pull away, that suddenly puts the boredom of the drive into crystal clear perspective.

  22. In /. world... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it us US who screw MICROSOFT.

  23. What it's all about by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If you take the worlds of television, telecom, games and music, and then remove content, you wind up with the consumer electronics show. Despite what you may be assuming, I think the inteligence level goes up quite a bit once content is removed. I envision telecom devices having fascinating conversations with my sister in Uganda rather than listening to telemarketers. I recall television products replaying some of my favorite cancelled shows rather than endless hours of mind-numbing nonsense.

    I find it a bit disheartening that so much of the success of these products will depend on the success or failure of the content. Finally, when I heard Conan's lame double entendres about flacid penises (as in the Microsoft intro) that shook me out of my interest in what was presented at this convention. More and more I'm coming to the conclusion that products that allow the common man to produce content are far more interesting, revolutionary, and important than the evolutionary products shown at the Consumer Electronics Show to allow you to consume the content of others. The products at CES that catch my eye are ones that allow me to create or enojy the creations of others, unfortunately I think I'll see more of that sort of thing at NAB in April than I've seen at CES so far.

    Please, tell me that I'm wrong and point out some great consumptive and productive tech that's made its debut.

  24. U3 by lcde · · Score: 1

    So it's like setting up Auto Run.. for USB. will it require new hardware or just software reconition?

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  25. 1337! by Have+Blue · · Score: 0, Redundant

    0-day conventions! l33ch!

  26. Now is not the time for time. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
    "All of the items on your list would be useless to me unless they also have GPS capability. And perhaps even a thing that tells time."

    They were working on it, but it got complicated when it was revealed that SCO had filed an patent on the hours from 02:00 - 11:00 AM.

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    1. Re:Now is not the time for time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Congratulations!!!

      You have performed the most pathetic failure at making a joke that I have seen for many months now. It's almost beautiful how completely un-funny your posting is.

      (Of course, the actual "funny" part will be when the slash-heads mod your posting up since it has both an SCO "joke" and a patent system "joke" in it.)

  27. In other news... by Garabito · · Score: 1

    Samsung announced a cell phone with TV tuner, but probably it will be disabled by Verizon request in order to force the consumers to buy content from Verizon Wireless.

  28. "things you can stick on your iPod" article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Couldn't load the article in Camino. To save others the trip to another browser:

    Here is the picture of the device. The caption below the picture reads:

    Nyko's MoviePlayer promises to transform an iPod into a fully fledged portable media viewer.

    Bringing video playback to the iPod
    By Jørgen Sundgot, Wednesday 5 January 2005

    Beating Apple to the punch, little-known peripheral manufacturer Nyko has unveiled an iPod accessory which enables the popular audio player to play back videos on a 3.5" display.

    At the ongoing Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Nyko Technologies has announced the MoviePlayer, an iPod peripheral which gives owners the ability to play back video stored on an iPod on a 3.5" display. Currently at the prototype stage, the company says the accessory is slated for release in the spring 2005, utilizing a portable cradle concept to connect the accessory to an iPod.

    The MoviePlayer will connect to the iPod via the dock connector and draw upon its storage capabilities, delivering video playback on a 3.5", 16-bit TFT display as opposed to the small, monochrome display of the iPod itself. The accessory also includes built-in stereo speakers, although whether users will be able to utilize headphones is still unclear.

    Offering a dedicated user interface, the MoviePlayer will according to Nyko allow for both music and video playback, as well as photo viewing, using a navigational interface which appears similar to that of the existing iPod scroll wheel. According to the company, included software - compatible with both Windows and Mac OS X - will convert any audio, video or image file to a format compatible with the MoviePlayer.

    An additional three hours of playback can be had from the rechargeable Lithium Ion battery of the MoviePlayer, according to Nyko's claims, allowing users to watch "several full-length movies on one charge". To protect the screen when not in use, the MoviePlayer closes clamshell-style, protecting both the accessory itself as well as the connected iPod.

    In related news, Nyko Technologies also announced several other iPod accessories, including a button relocator which moves all basic control functions from the face of the player to the top; a speaker dock; add-on, rechargeable battery packs for both the iPod and iPod mini under the iBoost moniker; and more. According to Nyko, all of its products will be launched in early 2005.

    Pricing and availability for the Nyko MoviePlayer will be announced closer to launch.

  29. From the stuff you can stick on your iPod Article by razmaspaz · · Score: 1

    According to the company, included software - compatible with both Windows and Mac OS X - will convert any audio, video or image file to a format compatible with the MoviePlayer.

    I call BULLSHIT. But if it can play the shows I get off my TiVo without me having to do any manual conversion, then I'm all in.

    Somehow I think DRM'd files will not work, as well as multitudes of other formats like divx, but who knows, maybe they are really good at this stuff.

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  30. cool image sharing app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I ran into a cool booth at CES, they're got this software that'll let you send pictures straight from your cellphone to your computer at home, and share those pictures from your home computer out to your friends without uploading them anywhere. Their name was Avvenu and they're going into beta pretty soon!

  31. "Fanless Media Center Device" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    So how IS Ashlee Simpson enjoying CES?

  32. "Auto-run" Features Are a Security Risk by EXTomar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't care how "nifty" it is but from an IT point of view having any "hot-plug" device used on a computer in the enterprise automatically running things an unvalidated source (the hot-plug device itself) is a security risk. Where did the USB device come from? What does the USB device really do? If a user can't answer some simple questions about this they sure aren't added it to a machine on the network. I will not allow users pluging strange PCI cards into their machines that aren't quite sure what they do. Why should I allow USB to do the same thing?!?

    Why are these guys pushing to make this "standard"?? Thanks for more tracking and security headaches guys for the sake of "convience".

    1. Re:"Auto-run" Features Are a Security Risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did the USB device come from? What does the USB device really do? If a user can't answer some simple questions about this they sure aren't added it to a machine on the network.

      Why are these guys pushing to make this "standard"?? Thanks for more tracking and security headaches guys for the sake of "convience".

      WTF are you talking about? There is nothing new about this. A USB drive is no different than a floppy disk or a CD. You might as well pull all the CD drives and floppy drives off all the computers everywhere while you are in panic mode.

    2. Re:"Auto-run" Features Are a Security Risk by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      Some companies do just that for all but a limited number of machines with trusted users.

    3. Re:"Auto-run" Features Are a Security Risk by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      I was once a network admin at a high school in southern california. We had to remove CDROM drives from a few teachers that could not resist installing all of their home goodies.

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  33. pornphone by nizo · · Score: 1

    Advantages: can be held in one hand
    Disadvantages: only for people who like really tiny naked people (naked Thumbalina anyone?)

    1. Re:pornphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They look big if you hold it really close to your face, but then you really do go blind.

  34. Vaporware by jj00 · · Score: 1


    Anyone know the odds that any of these will become Vaporware?

    Wired News Vaporware Top 10 for 2004

    1. Re:Vaporware by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Considering that the criteria for this years list are `a month late', or `well, we haven't seen one LALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING!', probably most of them.

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  35. Wooo - Cell phone TV - wave of the future .... by taniwha · · Score: 1
    I was in Chennai (aka Madras) India 3 months ago and the local cell company was rolling this out with lots of splash at the time ... maybe Verizon offshored it ..... seriously though they do seem a bit behind the times globally.

    Still seems like a hokey idea to me - I understand that cell towers work a lot like cable qams so multicasting to people in unused bandwidth makes a lot of sense (I don't know if it really works this way - just guessing) - but I honestly think that the market for this is tiny (maybe just the guy at sports events with the portable LCD TVs keeping track of other games)

    On a slightly different topic India seems to take phone competition to wonderfull - I want to see the billboards offering 1c cellphone calls here!! Every little village seems to have an I-net cafe/ISP (a router and a couple of PCs) offering really cheap access - I bet there are more ISPs in India than all the US and Europe combined at this point - plus cheap overseas calls to anywhere in the world for pennies (isn;t VOIP wonderfull ...)

  36. Not only that by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    Not only that, but "Oakley Thump" has to be the worst name anything like this has ever had. What next? "Hey! check out my new Brantley Whap shoelaces! They store digital pictures!"

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  37. Cat Swartz's CES coverage for Engadget by sewagemaster · · Score: 1


    how about Cat Swartz's coverage at CES for engadget. just watch how Kevin Rose of G4TechTV drools all over her 30 seconds into the clip ;)

  38. U3 USB Standard by Kwiik · · Score: 1

    Back to the days of the boot sector virus and infected "floppies" Yay!

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  39. USB Drives and TV Shows by unfortunateson · · Score: 1

    I just had to comment on USB drives: This week's "Crossing Jordan" (which is often lots more fun than CSI) had them find a thumb drive on an FBI agent, which
    a) Had a huge amount of data (50GB? A terabyte? I don't remember, but it was ridiculous) (cough)
    b) Had USB *and* firewire (cough)
    c) Had *serious* encryption, yet they broke it in an afternoon (cough, cough, bird flipped at screen)

    Why must you insult our intelligence? Bad enough they have to scroll through fingerprints on-screen, and show web pages appearing instantly. At least get somebody to check your facts!

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    1. Re:USB Drives and TV Shows by pHDNgell · · Score: 1

      a) Had a huge amount of data (50GB? A terabyte? I don't remember, but it was ridiculous) (cough)

      I have a huge (PC-card style) 128KB card in my HP48 that cost me about a dollar a KB when I bought it in high school. Local computer shops sell 1 GB SD cards for somewhere around $80-$90. It wasn't *that* long ago that I was hearing about 1GB hard drives and imagining how I'd use all that space.

      It was just yesterday I saw a 512MB SD card that folds to reveal a USB port.

      I'm not insulted by fiction showing small things showing large amounts of data.

      b) Had USB *and* firewire (cough)

      Is that really that far-fetched? I've seen pretty small hard drives with both...such as my iPod which does both with a single cable.

      c) Had *serious* encryption, yet they broke it in an afternoon (cough, cough, bird flipped at screen)

      Maybe it was less serious than they first thought. Encryption is funny that way. That's the kind of stuff they're most likely to get wrong.

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  40. Bowie at CES by base_chakra · · Score: 1

    image 01

    What's David Bowie doing with that geek playing pocket pool?

  41. Old news for other IM software by MCron · · Score: 1

    I find it interesting that an IM client is the top-billed supporter of U3.

    TerraIM has been able to run without install since it was created (and fits on a 3.5" disk) plus has offline messaging through DoorManBot, etc.
    Why is it that AOL is just now allowing this with ICQ, and only through a new standard?

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  42. CES rocks this year: there's a pr0n convention too by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'm not being a troll or anything - my former boss just emailed me - she is now at CES and said that there's some kind of pr0n convention going on at the same time down the road in some other center.

    Woo Hoo - I say it's time for some Silicon and Silicone!

    Can anyone else confirm this news? If they could co-ordinate the two events they would get Even More Attendees...

    RS

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  43. I can beat that. by Rimbo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let me tell you about a guy with an MBA from Harvard I know who grew up in Midland, Texas -- aka the Ass End of Nowhere. He was absolutely brilliant, particularly with human relationships.

    Now if you spoke to this guy, you'd never believe he graduated from college, much less got through grad school at the finest institution of higher education in the USA. He actually used that to his advantage. I saw him do this time and time again... he'd slip into the backwards Texas drawl, mess up some word or speech on purpose, and then people would think, "Oh, what a stupid hick." Of course, at this point, they were at his mercy, just like the lady and the vendor in the tale you describe.

    Only this guy one-upped your gal and then some. He became President of the United States this way.

    Twice.

    1. Re:I can beat that. by Entouchable · · Score: 1

      So.. Why does he continue to mess up some word or speech "on purpose"?

    2. Re:I can beat that. by SteveXE · · Score: 0

      I got a feeling Rimbo is really Bush just trying to improve his image with the /. crowd, maybe someone shoudl clue him in that he cant be elected again.

    3. Re:I can beat that. by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      Because idiocy is not an accident.

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    4. Re:I can beat that. by SunFan · · Score: 1


      I hate to say this, but Bush's campaign was pure brilliance. While the Democrats were trying to gather together the intellectuals, the lawyers, the inner cities, the gays, women, etc., Bush got out the religious right, the gay-haters, small businesspeople, and government contractors. There was no way for Kerry to win this numbers game; Bush won the election even before the Democratic primaries were over.

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  44. Re:CES rocks this year: there's a pr0n convention by doormat · · Score: 1

    Yes, the porn convetion is at the sands expo center (just 1 mile or so from the LVCC, where CES is at).

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  45. You know what else is at CES? by doormat · · Score: 1

    SNOW. No, not the rapper from the early/mid 90s, but that white stuff that falls from the sky. Kinda odd, considering that Las Vegas is a desert climate - it reaches about 110F in the summertime.

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  46. Cell phone TV? by tuxlove · · Score: 1

    Verizon promises cell phone TV

    How about a cell phone that works instead? I wish cell phone manufacturers and service providers would produce cell phone service that actually functioned correctly, without static, cruddy audio quality, dropoffs, dead zones, inexplicable signal loss, and so on. Why can't they focus on that before adding more crap that doesn't actually work? I'd pay a lot for cell service that was reliable (i.e. didn't drop my calls at least 50% of the time) and had decent sound quality (i.e. so I can tell what the other person is saying).

  47. jacket? by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

    Has anyone seen or have info about this jacket with the display on the back? Cool.

  48. HardWear by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    That Fossil wristPalm (TM ;) is HOT! Replace the USB connector with BlueTooth, run PalmVNC against an iPaq running Familiar, toss in a headless NAS unit, all BT'd together, and we're wearing our 'ware! Now to spread those other form factors around into a mithril mail vest, and the geek has finally arrived in its natural environment: the 21st Century.

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  49. CES Promises New Innovation by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

    In other news, Wired Magazine has just compiled the list of candidates for Vaporware 2005...

  50. yawn - except the hot girls by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    Some are pretty suck ass but that isn't uncommon. I live in Vegas so I get to lots of these shows. CES is bigger than most but it isn't especially anything special.

    I for one was pretty bored. There was really nothing new at the show. No exciting new technology. This year seems to be rehashes of existing technology in various cute packages.

    Take time to get your picture taken with all the cute girls working at various exhibits. That's about the only thing worth doing at this years CES. I especially liked a few of the hotties posing in the auto section and the alien girls at the Sapphire Tech exhibit. If you get pictures why not post the links here? I'll try to do likewise.

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  51. Non-Linux Live CDs are out there by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I've seen Live CDs for Mac old and new, BSD, DOS, and even Windows 2000 and XP.

    Heck, I think the old Mac OS 9 and earlier install CDs were "live."

    About the only common home-computer OS I haven't seen one for is MS-Windows NT and 9x/ME.

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  52. Write-protection is a must by davidwr · · Score: 1

    SOME camera card media have write-protect tabs.

    Personally I wish every card-reader had a "read-only" switch for use with cards that didn't have them.

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  53. Re:CES rocks this year: there's a pr0n convention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever. Have your former boss stroll by the Olympus booth.

    My company is providing the lighting & scenic for their booth.

    Aerosmith (well, okay, only Steven Tyler), Cheap Trick, The Black Crowes and others are the scheduled entertainment.

    Who cares if you don't like their music... it's the lights that matter.

  54. No Sonos? by crummynz · · Score: 0

    I'm suprised I don't see any news about Sonos and their wireless music system. Uses a mesh network to wirelessly serve music from any networked device to any zone in your house. All controlled from either your PC or a wireless controller with full colour LCD. Certainly on my wish list... maybe we'll see a more complete round up of CES later.

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  55. Reverse is closer to truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, if you don't already have an Archos, it would seem an iPod box would make the wiser investment, since you can basically do what you want with it, rather than be limited to certain "allowed" formats.

  56. Ipod Nyko Movie Player Press Release by joebetoblame · · Score: 1
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  57. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simple - just to fuck with YOU. And everyone like you.

    And then you continue to "misunderestimate" his "strategery" and then something else he wants come to be.

    So who is stupider, someone who mispronounces a few words or the people who continue to be duped into thinking a Harvard graduate is actually stupid in the same way a forty year-old fry worker at McDonalds is stupid? "Odd!" they say, "He just keeps beating us! How could someone with no intelligence manage this feat, for we are so mighty in intellect?"

    I'll vote on the guy actually running a country. Literally.

    Posting anon because, hey, it's Slashdot!

  58. Thanks! by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Nice to know where Cat eneded up, I always liked her on TechTV - it makes me think more highly of Stuff that she works there.

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  59. Geek sex toys... by Shipwack · · Score: 1

    Well, there's the PS2 game Rez, and the Sinulator...

  60. non-PC by mikewhittaker · · Score: 1

    I suppose a "tidbit" is a post-Janet-Jackson "titbit" ? Less etymologically correct anyhow.

  61. Re:CES rocks this year: there's a pr0n convention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IIRC, back in the late 90's, both the CES and the pron convention shared the same building--CES on the ground floor, and the pron convention on the second floor.