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The History of Computing Auctioned at Christie's

Larry Groebe writes "The most amazing unified collection of books, papers, and similar material on the history of computing is about to go on sale at Christie's auction house. Want a signed copy of 'Rossum's Universal Robots?' Original papers on the Eniac? Alan Turning's original proof of universal computability? Letters from Charles Babbage himself? It's in there, to anyone with (a whole lot of) money. Check out the estimated price on the 1974 journal article by Vinton Cerf describing IP addressing. It's increased in value in the past 30 years...just a bit."

177 comments

  1. Hey baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wanna see my authetic Vint Cerf letter from 1974?

    1. Re:Hey baby by pxpt · · Score: 1
      Hey! - I've often wondered where the phrase 'surfing the internet' came from...

      ...I just had the spelling wrong - it should be 'CERFING the internet!!!

  2. The sale's not going well by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apparently the entire online catalog is Slashdotted.

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    1. Re:The sale's not going well by spac3manspiff · · Score: 0

      I for one welcome our auction cheating overloards.

      I bet they're thinking "Yeah, slashdotting the place should keep my bid low".

    2. Re:The sale's not going well by camcloud1 · · Score: 0

      >>I for one welcome our *insert current /. topic* overlords

      This would have to be the overused Simpsons reference ever on slashdot. It has reached lame beyond belief proportions.

  3. Do they have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The history of the history of recursion?

    1. Re:Do they have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The history of the history of recursion?

      yes

    2. Re:Do they have... by stephenisu · · Score: 2, Funny

      Stocked in the department of redundancy department.

      See the section labeled department of redundancy department.

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    3. Re:Do they have... by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      Stocked in the department of redundancy department."

      I think you mean 'stacked'.

    4. Re:Do they have... by nacturation · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have a post which links to itself and then I'll be impressed!

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    5. Re:Do they have... by arose · · Score: 1

      Try the number right of the date. :-D

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    6. Re:Do they have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, about 27 behind, but not bad, I guess this one will be 11547983

    7. Re:Do they have... by laejoh · · Score: 0

      Does this entry in my journal count?

    8. Re:Do they have... by nacturation · · Score: 1

      bah... journals are easy to predict. :)

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  4. Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope they put these items in a museum where everyone can see them. Considering the ever-growing importance of the computer in the last half-century, I think papers like these should be part of an exhibit making the rounds across the globe. Smithsonian, perhaps?

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    1. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Yes, well, besides the UK and the U.S., who else was involved in creating all that history? Go screw yourself.

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    2. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      - These books belong in a museum.
      - So do you!

      (sorry bad joke)

    3. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yep,

      put them in a museum but how about PDF or PS copies on line. I want to read this stuff but not at the price being asked.

    4. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by mOoZik · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think we need a good computer museum. We have a few, but most of them are just a collection of old, dingy machines for one's drooling-over. We need something that has machines, documents, letters, books, components, video interviews, chip prototypes, interactive sections, and so on and so forth! But these will most likely go to a private collection, though museums often bid in these auctions.

    5. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by Jason+Scott · · Score: 4, Informative

      Haven't been to the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California, have you? I reccommend seeing what they have and where they're going with it.

    6. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well buy them and donate them or better yet buld the museum yourself.
      I hope they go to whoever bids the most that is why they call it an "auction".
      Private collectors are usually the best people to assemble and conserve such things-where do you think the libraries and museums get them?

    7. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by HyperCash · · Score: 2, Informative

      I second this. Their website really could use some work though. The measuem has all sorts of neat stuff and a great staff that has a lot of knowledge about it.

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    8. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by syousef · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What use is putting original papers behind glass in a museum? You can't read them like that. The artifacts aren't nearly as important as the ideas, both from a historical perspective and a scientific one. Make sure copies are available for download on the net and that people know where to look for them instead.

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    9. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by syousef · · Score: 1

      Well buy them and donate them or better yet buld the museum yourself.

      Let me guess. You're the kind of fool that tells an end user who tries out Linux and has a problem that they should build a solution to the problem themselves, if one doesn't exist.

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    10. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ahem, gentlemen, I suggested the Smithsonian because it is a prominent and extremely well-funded American museum that might be amenable to sponsering an international exhibit of this kind. I had not intended the suggestion as a slight to other nationalities, but being the bigoted American cunt that I am, it was the first idea that came to mind. But to tell the truth, the guy posting below is basically correct about modern computers being of U.S. and U.K. origin, having been employed with staggering success in the early days to crack the Axis codes. And as for the PC, that is indisputably an American innovation.

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    11. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by sconeu · · Score: 2, Informative

      Konrad Zuse?

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    12. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, who fucking cares?

    13. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by gerardlt · · Score: 1

      Perhaps - given that a significant proportion of this material is not just computing history, but British history - the bodleian might be a better suggestion?

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    14. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      And pong! So we can see how our forefathers entertained themselves.

      And how about selling Altair kits in the gift shop?

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    15. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by Speare · · Score: 1

      After three or four postings which all spelled it correctly, the best you could come up with is measuem? Public school, right?

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    16. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get harvard or Oxford to buy them. they have plans to digitise thier entire collentions.

    17. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by Ed_1024 · · Score: 1

      I've just looked at some of the catalogue and they have already been scanned at a reasonable resolution. I don't know if it is complete in terms of all the material but if you want to keep them for yourself I would mirror the site now...

    18. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by ricksmith · · Score: 1

      NOT!

      I LOVE the idea of selling all these papers off. We perceive these papers as valuable because lots of people have already read reprints of them. They already belong to the fabric of science and technology. It's not important if we sell off the paper they're printed on.

      I think we make things better when we distribute them into the community of enthusiasts. I think we make people appreciate these things better when more people own copies of them (and I think they're far more affordable than Christie's is trying to make us think). For another thing, there are obvious risks to keeping all eggs in one basket, as in one museum.

      Anyway, I have lots of this stuff myself and would love to get lots more. I've given a lot to the Charles Babbage Institute for the History of Computing already, and the Computer Museum, but there's still a lot of material out there worth collecting.

    19. Re:Historical Documents Deserve A Prominent Place. by TheoGB · · Score: 1

      but being the bigoted American cunt that I am

      And they say American's don't know what irony is! Heh heh!

      Personally I thought that by using the (apparently underrated) skill of reading, your comment about it going round the world made it clear you were suggesting the Smithsonian as sponsor. But then I'm from the UK so probably just as bigotted.

      Insert smiley here --> http://theogb.com/archive/suspect.gif

  5. Bill Gates by kaedemichi255 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    If I were Bill Gates I'd shell out some money for that stuff.

    1. Re:Bill Gates by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
      If I were Bill Gates I'd shell out some money for that stuff.

      And then what? Dig a hole in your back yard and burn everything in it that challenges your vise-like grip on the IT market? Or file it away, with a very Blofeld-ish, "Quaint, quaint."

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    2. Re:Bill Gates by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 1

      I know, it is getting harder and harder for Microsoft to find ideas.

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    3. Re:Bill Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      destroy the documented prior art and file new patents.

    4. Re:Bill Gates by westlake · · Score: 1
      If I were Bill Gates I'd shell out some money for that stuff.

      Perhaps he will. He purchased Leonardo da Vinci's Codex Leicester at auction for $30 million and founded Corbis, which owns historically significant collections like the Bettmann Achieve.

    5. Re:Bill Gates by RepeatedEigenvalue · · Score: 0

      I can see it now - a bidding war between Bill Gates, Paul Allen, and Sergey Brin.

      "Don't be evil" may have to take a back seat to "gimme gimme gimme".

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    6. Re:Bill Gates by LO0G · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Bob Metcalf, Larry Ellison, and Scott McNealy. Oh, and Nathan Myrvhold.

      The bidding on some of these pieces is going to be insane.

    7. Re:Bill Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly, I found the Da Vinci Codex to be poorly written and unsatisfying. It was easy to figure out all of the clues as soon as they were given, and-- oh, wait. Sorry.

  6. getting slow by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

    Coral here

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  7. Computors by Rares+Marian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow. They really did spell it that way. All the souls I've led astray. No amount of Windows usage can atone for the misgrammaticalous advice I've given.

    I will never RTFA again. Who knows what else I'll find out?

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    1. Re:Computors by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indeed. For penance, do 3 Gentoo stage 2 installs, and learn to send mail with Emacs.

    2. Re:Computors by ornil · · Score: 2, Informative
      You should read old "Doc" Smith's SF novels. I almost died when I read a line like the following:

      A Nevian computer handed his chief a sheet of metal, bearing rows of symbols.

      or

      "Not exactly," the computer still stared. "I was going to set up an integral. I didn't want it, either-I could swear that somebody told me to set it up."

      Yep, those are people that do computations - computers.
    3. Re:Computors by PGillingwater · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that Frank Herbert (of "Dune" fame) also wrote of people who did the work of computers, the "mentats." In his case, this was a deliberate choice, due to the earlier problems with rogue AIs.

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    4. Re:Computors by rivimey · · Score: 1

      I know somebody (my old Uni Professor) who was a computor himself, back in the "old days".

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  8. I have... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have Charles Babbage's ego in a box somewhere. Should be worth a bit.

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    1. Re:I have... by Xeo+024 · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'll give you a nickel, but you have to pay shipping. I could use a box.

    2. Re:I have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would offer you something for it, but the cost of storage for a box that big would probably outweigh its value by a fair bit.

    3. Re:I have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many ESR's is it worth?

  9. estimated bids are ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The estimated bids for these items are ridiculously inflated. If they get 10% of what they are estimating they will be doing great.

    1. Re:estimated bids are ridiculous by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why do you say that...

      Just because you don't have the money doesn't mean quite a few people don't. I would expect historically interesting documents to fetch a decent price. Someone will want them, hopefully for a museum (A tech museum somewhere) - I could see Bill J, Scott M, Bill G, Steve J. putting bids on documents that particularly inspired them.

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    2. Re:estimated bids are ridiculous by Hnice · · Score: 1

      sure they are.

      god forbid we should trust people who do this -- well -- for a living, when we can trust a guy on slashdot who has an opinion and fingers.

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    3. Re:estimated bids are ridiculous by J.+Random+Luser · · Score: 1

      The Norbert Wiener stuff has cult status for Wiener groupies ;-)
      On the other hand there's plenty of more expensive, more meaningless coffe table geegaws than a $200 roll of Univac tape.
      Myself, I fancy the 15 place Bessel function tables...

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    4. Re:estimated bids are ridiculous by J.+Random+Luser · · Score: 1

      The Norbert Wiener stuff has cult status for Wiener groupies ;-) On the other hand there's plenty of more expensive, more meaningless coffee table geegaws than a $200 roll of Univac tape. Myself, I fancy the 15 place Bessel function tables... --- closet Chandrasekhar groupie

  10. Also featured on Page 3 of the catalog... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Funny
    A never before published proof of P=NP from Alan Turing's diary.

    Just kidding folks...no need to get your panties all in a bunch.

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    1. Re:Also featured on Page 3 of the catalog... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Extract from Alan Turing's diary:
      I think I solved the P=NP problem once and for all. If N=1, P=P unless N=0, but it is just the beginning of a proof.

      I'm hungry, I'll get myself an apple...
      -- Alan

    2. Re:Also featured on Page 3 of the catalog... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm hungry, I'll get myself an apple...

      unfunny.

    3. Re:Also featured on Page 3 of the catalog... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      OK, how about this:

      I'm going to get an apple, and go troll for kids in the park.

  11. As the Alan Turns... by bandix · · Score: 1

    Alan Turning, Alan Turing's little known revolutionary (pun intended) contemporary.

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    1. Re:As the Alan Turns... by OneIsNotPrime · · Score: 2, Funny

      Alan Turing is spinning in his grave.

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    2. Re:As the Alan Turns... by rishistar · · Score: 1

      Alan Turning invented the on button....

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    3. Re:As the Alan Turns... by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 2, Funny

      Alan Turing is spinning in his grave.

      Will he ever stop spinning, or will his ghost keep halting me forever???

  12. Worth noting by rackhamh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't it interesting that in an era when digitization and electronic archival are increasingly important, memorabilia such as this is so highly valued?

    1. Re:Worth noting by bwcarty · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's because it's all DRM free.

    2. Re:Worth noting by Telvin_3d · · Score: 1

      A connection to the past is an important part of the human condition. I think it speaks highly that people that spend so much time using these wonderful tools value the history behind them so much. It really makes you think about the stereotype of geeks and IT people being so obsessed with the future.

    3. Re:Worth noting by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      > That's because it's all DRM free.

      Hah! I bet if you try to read the material without the Rights Sunglasses, your eyes will explode.

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    4. Re:Worth noting by starseeker · · Score: 1

      Indeed. In some sense this charts the rise of the internet as the work of human beings, rather than just technical steps.

      Implicit in this statement is the (vaild) observation that much human thought which has only ever existed as digital records will not retain the personal, tangible quality physical records have.

      Also interesting is the potential that, if our society ever self destructs, a truly staggering body of knowledge will be lost. I know, no one thinks this is likely. They probably thought the same thing at every stage of civilization capable of leaving written records. I would like to see some effort made to preserve the core of our technological knowledge and perhaps our history, although the latter is fraught with political trouble. Time capsules may someday serve the future very well indeed.

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    5. Re:Worth noting by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Also interesting is the potential that, if our society ever self destructs, a truly staggering body of knowledge will be lost.
      Are people happier now than they used to be?
    6. Re:Worth noting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Also interesting is the potential that, if our society ever self destructs, a truly staggering body of knowledge will be lost.
      Are people happier now than they used to be?

      What's the relevance of that? Happiness is not the only important thing. The knowledge our society possesses represents thousands of years. Setting back development by thousands of years could make the difference between the human race discovering how to get off this planet before the inevitable end of the world or not. Happiness is going to become rather academic at some point in the future - and scientific knowledge will determine how soon that comes. I'd say it's important to hang on to it.
    7. Re:Worth noting by pxpt · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It seems that the more technologically advanced the civilisation - the harder it is to actually access knowledge in said civilisation. Books might be old fashioned but hey, at least you can attempt to read them when the electricity supply fails (at night time you can use candles!!!).

      The window of opportunity for getting at knowledge on various media is decreasing exponentionally. For example: books can still be accessed (ever since they were invented essentially). However, nowadays it is getting harder to get at stuff on some forms of magnetic tape. And if you think that knowledge on DVD's is safe then what about when Blueray Discs become popular(if at all) - will you still keep those old DVD players going (and would you be able to keep them going).

      It seems that we are forever cursed to keep on copying our knowledge to newer forms of media in ever decreasing timescales - somethings got to give...

    8. Re:Worth noting by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Grandparent says ....

      Isn't it interesting that in an era when digitization and electronic archival are increasingly important, memorabilia such as this is so highly valued?


      parent says ...

      That's because it's all DRM free.


      You laugh, but there's a grain of truth to it actually. Think of all of the patents which have been granted which cover some of the aspects held in this haul.

      If someone who didn't play well with other children owned these, could they conveniently forget about all of the prior art for the obvious things and make life difficult for the rest of us?

      Now, where's my tinfoil at?

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  13. Dang! by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    Where's that old C64 when I need a few hundred thousand... man, what people will pay for outdated tech!

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    1. Re:Dang! by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I have one, if you're interested. Special deal, today only ... $50,000.

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    2. Re:Dang! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Except that your C64 is outdated tech, whereas this stuff is fundamental, and will be used as important reference material for new designs 500 years from now, much like Modus Tolens as an important logical construction (in Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning) came from Socrates, passed onto Plato, and then Aristotle. That's the difference between technology and science. Technology is flavor of the month. Science is flavor for all time.

    3. Re:Dang! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it won't, that's ridiculous. Once the concepts are widely understood, there's no reason to refer to the original. It's strictly a curio.

  14. What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What about the Pink Shirt book; the Devil book; the Dragon book; or the Red book, otherwise known as the ugly Red Book that won't fit on a shelf... Will these books also be auctioned off?

    Signed,
    Joey

  15. Sold! by partiallyhydrogenate · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Imagine it.

    In this corner, hailing from the great state of Washington, weighing in at 160 lbs, the richest human being to ever walk the face of the planet, the man who could buy and sell my ass with his couch change, "Dollar" Bill Gates!

    And in this corner, the dark horse challenger hailing from parts unknown, weighing in at a whopping 13 stone, sporting a dapper "Villain on a traintrack with a rope and damsel" beard, "BulletProof (TM)" Larry Ellison.

    Of course, Bill bought the judges after the damn promoters ruined the sport....

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  16. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1+1+1+1+1+1+1,... Recursive

    1. Re:MOD PARENT UP by spac3manspiff · · Score: 1

      return 0;

    2. Re:MOD PARENT UP by Phiu-x · · Score: 1

      That would be repetition.
      Recursivity would be more like :

      +1 Recursive
      +1 Recursive
      +1 Recursive
      +1 Recursive

      http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=define%3Arecur sive&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

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  17. 255 lots? by Mononoke · · Score: 3, Funny
    In an auction of the history of cyberspace, shouldn't there really be 256?

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    1. Re:255 lots? by stephenisu · · Score: 1

      They started the counting at zero, the reporter didn't get the joke. :)

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    2. Re:255 lots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually no. The count starts at zero. :-)

    3. Re:255 lots? by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

      But if they added one more they would sell nothing.

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    4. Re:255 lots? by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Funny

      In an auction of the history of cyberspace, shouldn't there really be 256?

      If they slap in another lot, it'll roll round to 0. Damn those legacy systems!

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    5. Re:255 lots? by ine8181 · · Score: 1

      Insightful, yeah :)

  18. three words by partiallyhydrogenate · · Score: 0

    zero based index

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  19. One man's trash... by winkydink · · Score: 1

    Some people have more dollars than sense (say it out loud)

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    1. Re:One man's trash... by Hnice · · Score: 2, Insightful
      yeah, either the estimates or stupid, or

      and i'm going out on a limb here

      christie's employs people with experience in correctly valuing antiques and memorabilia. gee, i wonder who i should trust -- the experts, with years of proven experience in the field, or an anonymous coward?

      yawn.

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    2. Re:One man's trash... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust Christie's, I said so!

  20. Intrigued, but annoyed by geekwench · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Wow, I am simply amazed at the collection of Geek History 101 on display. (The copy of R.U.R is enough to make me want to smash the piggy bank.) All of this stuff is, apparently, one person's collected library on the origins of cyberspace. (See here for further information.)

    ...Which brings me to the annoyance factor. This collection is going to be scattered to the four winds. Looking at some of the pre-auction estimates, no one person, and very few institutions, will have the scratch that it would take to keep the collection together. Taken seperately, each of these items has a historical context, but taken together, they chart the idealistic, scientific, and technological foundations of the Internet.

    Auctioning the library off in such a piecemeal fashion just seems wrong, IMNSHO.

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    1. Re:Intrigued, but annoyed by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Looking at some of the pre-auction estimates, no one person, and very few institutions, will have the scratch that it would take to keep the collection together

      What do you mean - I know people that this would be chump change for (ever go on a drinking spree with someone with more money than sense and get a sip of whiskey out of a multi-thousand dollar bottle ?)

      Bill G easily has this kind of money - heck the brothers google do as well.

      I could see Andy B from Sun, Steve Jobs from Apple, and maybe the Woz kicking out this kind of money if it were important enough to them.

      Now I agree, I would like to see a collection like this kept together - however the owners of the property in question, value its worth much more than the collection as a whole... and frankly selling it off piecemeal like this will probably raise the price (a LOT of people would pay 2000-3000 for their favorite historical book - not many people could pay 1/2M for the whole thing). Frankly they own it and have the right to do what ever they want with it.

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    2. Re:Intrigued, but annoyed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is probably true that this collection won't be bought by one individual. But many institutions do buy this sort of material in extremely large quantities, or they are bought by individuals to be later donated to such institutions.

      Furthermore, there are Rare Book Libraries all over the place who already have a lot of this kind of material (i happen to work in one of them). That means if the material does get scattered to a certain extent, the material is going to be added to these kind of collections that already exist. This is not the whole history of computing for auctioned at Christies as the title suggests but merely one small piece of it.

    3. Re:Intrigued, but annoyed by birukun · · Score: 1

      What if the newer Google millionaires want this stuff? They have interests like us, and probably read Slashdot, too. Hard to have a passion for this stuff without wanting that collection.....

      Then, we can Google [museum:Turing] :-)

      My first thought was, which dotcommer put his estate up for sale?

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    4. Re:Intrigued, but annoyed by Wolfbone · · Score: 1

      "Auctioning the library off in such a piecemeal fashion just seems wrong, IMNSHO."

      Whether that is wrong or not, I do think important historical documents should be electronically 'preserved' and made available for the benefit of the public. Some institutions and companies make an effort but not all and quality is variable - the British Library recently scanned some 17th century Shakespeare Quartos and put images of them up online in jpeg format. They are readable but not as readable as if they'd used something like the excellent DjVu.

      It would be good to see documents like those original Turing and other papers preserved and presented like the Shannon example here has been - whatever later happens to the actual physical copies.

  21. No, 255 is correct. by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Remember, 0 is NULL.

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    1. Re:No, 255 is correct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, 2^8 is 256 therefor you can store 256 different values in 1 byte. And an unisgned data type (i.e. char) can store 256 different values. 0 != NULL in this case and you have to count it in with the other 255 possibillities.

    2. Re:No, 255 is correct. by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Nope, 2^8 is 256 therefor you can store 256 different values in 1 byte. And an unisgned data type (i.e. char) can store 256 different values. 0 != NULL in this case and you have to count it in with the other 255 possibillities.

      0 isn't NULL, but it *is*.... zero.

      Are we to assume that Christies are never out of stock and we can use the '0' to represent something else?

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    3. Re:No, 255 is correct. by mrbuttboy · · Score: 1

      oh for the love of mod points.......it is the same fuzzy thinking that confuses kilobyte with 2^10 bytes.....

      i certainly hope you get modded up at least one more.....

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    4. Re:No, 255 is correct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct, 0 is zero. But it _still_ represents something (a 0). i.e. if you have 256 items represented from 0 to 255 (as in this case), 0 represents one item, just like any other number. When you're out of stock you have nothing to represent that. Simple as that.

      hint: to represent nothing, you don't have to represent it with something.

    5. Re:No, 255 is correct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SELECT 0 as Number WHERE Number IS NULL
      0 rows returned

      0 != NULL

    6. Re:No, 255 is correct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And an unisgned [sic] data type (i.e. char) can store 256 different values.

      What's that supposed to mean? "Unsigned" cannot be identified with "char". Not all chars are unsigned, and not all unsigned values are chars. In fact, it isn't even guaranteed that a char is 8 bits (we say "octet" when we want to be unambiguous about that).

    7. Re:No, 255 is correct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends on what language you are using. In C/C++, for example, a byte whose value is 0 is NULL (since that is what the macro is defined as!).

      unsigned char a = 0;
      unsigned int b = 0;
      bool c = false;
      char* d = NULL;

      a == b == c == d

      The exception to that is that value of the ASCII '0' is really 48, so it's definitely not NULL in that case.

    8. Re:No, 255 is correct. by jd · · Score: 1
      hint: to represent nothing, you don't have to represent it with something.


      That's what everyone thought, until the Arabs went and invented this damn 0 thing. :)


      The problem is not merely that you have to represent zero items, but rather that you have to have something to represent when there's nothing more to represent. This is known as a sentinel value. In C, the value of 0 is used to terminate strings. You cannot have a 0 in a string, because otherwise all strings would be infinitely long.


      (Infinite, because address FFFF....FFFF is followed by 0000....0000, as the uppermost bit falls off the end of what you can represent, making memory cyclic.)


      You typically want sentinel values in an auction situation, as there is no other way to represent when the item is no longer available for bidding. Since you will typically have an array of items, where each item contains a pointer to the record describing the item, then setting the pointer to 0 is, indeed, setting to to NULL.


      So nyah! :)

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    9. Re:No, 255 is correct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      0 = NULL = string terminator in C
      ('0' NULL) = numeric equivalent of character '0'

      Am I the only crusty old bastard who remembers C?
      Quit making me feel so old.

    10. Re:No, 255 is correct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont believe this has to be the case. Although:

      char *a = NULL:
      char *b = 0;

      a = b

      is true, NULL doesnt have to be the value 0. If I am right then you could have a case where:

      char *a = NULL;
      int b = 0;

      a != b

      is true. In C or C++ assigning a pointer the = 0 assigns it the null value. You can even see this in how NULL is often defined:

      #define NULL ((void*)0)

      but this does not mean its assigning it the value 0 cause the null value could be some other number. Null could be defined the value 666 for all you know. Often enough however it is the value 0 but dont count on it.

    11. Re:No, 255 is correct. by asliarun · · Score: 1

      "That's what everyone thought, until the Arabs went and invented this damn 0 thing. :)"

      Sorry to pick nits, but 0 was invented (discovered?) in India. The arabs copied the numeral system from the Indians and the other civilizations copied it from the arabs. Hence, the so-called Arabic numeral system is really the Indian numeral system. Or so, i've read somewhere :-)

  22. For those gloating over the latest Slashdotting... by geekwench · · Score: 1
    Don't grab the marshmallows to toast over their flaming servers just yet; the traffic isn't doing a damn thing.

    Christie's site always runs more slowly than molasses in a North Dakota winter.

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  23. To find out... by jd · · Score: 1

    Go to the reply to the parent post that tells you where to find out.

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  24. Turning? by yodaj007 · · Score: 1

    I bet Alan Turing is Turning pale.

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  25. I wouldn't pay a dime... by HungSoLow · · Score: 2, Interesting
    for "Alan Turning's original proof of universal computability"

    On the other hand, if they had Turing's, I would definitly fork over the cash.

    1. Re:I wouldn't pay a dime... by XSforMe · · Score: 1

      Given that some of these documents (including Turing's Proof of Computing) are just prints of some antique conference proceedings, I would think twice about cracking the piggy.

      Now, if these were Turing's original manuscripts, I'd might even consider spilling the 20000 for them (of course, my wife would leave me if she found out what I bought for that price) =)

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  26. Oops. by game+kid · · Score: 1
    Alan Turning's original proof of universal computability?

    I read that as compatibility. That would have helped my programming and explained his homosexuality all at once! (Not that I have anything against that.)

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    1. Re:Oops. by AgentDMT · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they can scrounge up any remanants of Turing's estrogen treatments.

  27. How about a benefactor? by xbytor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why doesn't Paul Allen or Bill Gates cough up some $$$ to buy the entire collection and donate it to the Smithsonian? Somebody in the biz with the bucks needs to step up to the plate here..

    ciao,
    -X

    1. Re:How about a benefactor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Gates would never buy this stuff, unless it was to destroy the proof that Microsoft didn't invent computers and the internet.

    2. Re:How about a benefactor? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Because those two people you mentioned have built their empire on obscuring what computing really is and how it came to be.

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    3. Re:How about a benefactor? by syousef · · Score: 1

      It doesn't benefit them. Its probably not tax deductible or something. If they gave away money at the drop of a hat like that, they'd never have become rich in the first place.

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  28. This is where Bill Gates should step in by kbahey · · Score: 1

    This is where Bill Gates should step in and buy these things, thus preserving them for posterity.

    It would be a shame if this collection is to be fragmented (although it is not by one author or decade) and sold to different people, and perhaps different countries.

    Who else would be in the computer industry and have the money to buy all this. Unless it is Larry Ellison tried to one up Gates that is...

    1. Re:This is where Bill Gates should step in by Sam+Nitzberg · · Score: 1

      I'd actually like to see the Smithsonian pick them up. The Smithsonian actually has in Washington, DC a rather nice computer exhibit.

      I'd like to see these on permanent display by an organization whose sole function is to make great works available to the public.

      Sam Nitzberg

    2. Re:This is where Bill Gates should step in by kbahey · · Score: 1

      I agree with you that a public institution is far better than a private collection.

      However, do they have the money? Do they have a chance to win the auction?

      Bill G (or Larry E) is not my first choice, but rather a last resort, because he has the money.

    3. Re:This is where Bill Gates should step in by makeyourself · · Score: 0

      This is where Bill Gates should step in and buy these things, thus preserving them for posterity.

      in a grab-a-pencil-and-change-the-authors-then-patent-i t and file a patent for the IP?? they've done that before

  29. Cerf article by mackman · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Check out the estimated price on the 1974 journal article by Vinton Cerf describing IP adressing.

    Once again Gore is buying up evidence that disproves he invented the internet.

    1. Re:Cerf article by slickwillie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe someone can dig out the specs for the first spellchecker.

  30. No, but... by game+kid · · Score: 1

    ...it would be cool if it would be cool if it was there.

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  31. Paul Allen by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

    Actually his Evil Twin Paul Allen would be a better bet.

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  32. Where's Gibson? by Txiasaeia · · Score: 0

    As he pointed out in his blog, there's nothing by Gibson in the entire catalog. Although not a "historical" document, it certainly is important when it comes to the history of computing as a major literary work. Sigh... like I could afford a first-edition signed Gollancz anyway ;)

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    1. Re:Where's Gibson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Ace PB original is still first.

  33. Oh sure, but... by dameron · · Score: 1

    you can't return it if it's out of the shrinkwrap.

    Duh.

    -dameron

  34. No, it's ironic. by dameron · · Score: 1



    -dameron

  35. I am annoyed as well by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 1

    I agree it's a shame this material will become scattered all around, but the thing that bothers me the most is that much of this stuff will end up in a bunch of different private collections. Stuff like this should be kept together in a safe place after making digital copies and publishing them on the internet to be shared with everybody.

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    1. Re:I am annoyed as well by RedWizzard · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I agree it's a shame this material will become scattered all around, but the thing that bothers me the most is that much of this stuff will end up in a bunch of different private collections. Stuff like this should be kept together in a safe place after making digital copies and publishing them on the internet to be shared with everybody.
      Why? Most of these lots are just first edition printings of academic papers. There's nothing especially unique about the content of these copies, and in most cases the text is already available on the net. It's not like these are the only copies of the works.
  36. Those papers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...belong in a museum! *cracks Indy whip*

  37. Giant Brains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've actually got a copy of this book floating around. It gives quite detailed descriptions of how many of the early machines worked. A very interesting read. I also have a copy of Coleridge's "Treatise on Method", which in a roundabout way was part of what inspired hypertext, or so I've read.

  38. Gates Money by Telvin_3d · · Score: 1

    I can't believe how many people ahve mentioned that Bill Gates should step up and buy the whole lot. Not that I think this would be a bad thing, but It is great how many people think they know how he should spend his cash.

    1. Re:Gates Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah and how many people are opposed to the consignor's descision to offer the material at auction."Scatter to the winds....Should be made public....etc".Scary how everyone wants to decide what others do with their private property.

  39. Intrestingly Enough by umrgregg · · Score: 1

    My undergraduate university is in possesion of the journal article's listed for sale--in their original journals of course. I wonder what other expensive articles I can go in and mark up with my highlighter ;)

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  40. Turing's grave was dug by intolerance. by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Informative

    The authorities hounded Turing into killing himself because everyone knows a gay geek can't be trusted. Outside of computer nerds not many people have even heard of him, let alone know what he did in WW2 or how he died.

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  41. can I pay... by same_old_story · · Score: 2, Funny

    with stock options?

  42. Re:For those gloating over the latest Slashdotting by thogard · · Score: 1

    I think if I was paying them 10 to 25% of the millions they collect, they could at least get a professional to build their web site.

    The only other sites I know that are this slow are scammer sites.

  43. Punctuation! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's Christie's, as in belonging to Christie. That would be James Christie. What did apostrophes ever do to you?

  44. sort of by k2enemy · · Score: 1

    sometime in the 90s the DOD stopped giving hard copies of the rainbow books out to the public. i waited a few years after they stopped and sold mine on ebay for around 500.

  45. really old by JeremyALogan · · Score: 0

    sigh... this was in Wired two months ago.

    more info can be found at the current owner's site.

  46. buy the catalog by subtropolis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i have no connection w/ christies whatsoever. But i suggest buying the catalog if this interests you. I had a friend a few years back who lent me his catalog for a very comprehensive auction of Soviet space program stuff. Like full suits. 1:1 models of lunar landers. Some very cool stuff. The catalog was well put together, with lots of large images. Definitely worth the 30 bones.

    why did i ever give it back to him?

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    1. Re:buy the catalog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you could have sold it on eBay.

      Feel the recursion, baby!

  47. Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This stuff should really go into a museum and not into private collections. :-(

  48. For The Uninitiated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...or the Red book, otherwise known as the ugly Red Book that won't fit on a shelf..."

    He's referencing the movie 'Hackers.'

  49. history of computers... by torrents · · Score: 2, Interesting

    wouldn't it make sense to put it on ebay?

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  50. Magnetic wire.. by Tjoppen · · Score: 1

    Interesting with that magnetic wire(lot no 244) there, seeing as there still are magnetic wire readers around(mostly audio, but one can adapt).

    My dad actually have plans on how to build them in some old tech magazines from the 40's-50's. Those magazines are quite en interesting read, like the one focusing on THE ATOM. But I digress...

    You could build your own wire reader using modern day hardware. Might be able to pick up the data. It is already known it's stored at 128 bits per inch according to the lot.
    Question is if you'd really want to - after all you'd run the risk of lawsuits for revealing trade secrets!

  51. Correction by Tjoppen · · Score: 1

    It was tape, not wire. Well, the principle's still the same

  52. It's not complete... by xbytor · · Score: 1

    There's no uncashed check in there for $2.56 from Dr. Knuth. I consider that a glaring omission.

  53. Gates Money-Artists Wishes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "... but It is great how many people think they know how he should spend his cash."

    Why should that be surprising? We know better than it's creator about how the fruits of one's efforts should be distributed. Here, let me demonstrate by downloading some copyrighted content, and distributing it to the world.

  54. Why? by J.+Random+Luser · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Being plain nosey I scratched around various blogs and the owners' site, but I don't see any rational explanation for this sale. If Jeremy has fallen on bad times and needs the cash I can forgive him, but this collection is a significant fraction of the sum total of human knowledge, and thus belongs to all mankind. Dispersing it to the four winds is usually the lot of soul-less deceased estate executors.

  55. Sure!!! by c0p0n · · Score: 1
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    Your head a splode
    1. Re:Sure!!! by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Now that's just cheating... but you had me going for a second! :)

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    2. Re:Sure!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [x] Post Humoulsy

  56. Information and artifacts survive differently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only that but they all came from a private collection as well. Stuff like this must move around all the time. It happens in the art world.
    If you are lucky enough to be rich you too can preserve and enjoy a piece of history. It's part of being a responsible millionaire. Give it to the Smithsonian when you are dead and ready or pass it on like the seller is doing here.
    I would love to look after a few these myself but the moths would probably like the taste too much. Better that it survives somewhere than nowhere.

  57. It can't be! by pjt33 · · Score: 1

    But a dollar's a hundred sense!

  58. should be scanned by Dr.Knackerator · · Score: 1

    All the docs should be scanned/ocrd and mad available for free on the net. To not do so would be highly ironic.

  59. Useless Books by EvilGoodGuy · · Score: 1

    While for the nerdness factor of this set i would of course love to have them all. Since I am a Computer Science major intrerested in AI. They are indeed just books.

    Anyways, I'm keeping all my Goosebumps incase there's a "Compilation of shitty horror short stories for children" auction anytime soon. Because hey, you never know...

  60. Thank You Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, so now I have to thank slashdot for actually making my browsing profitable instead of just edifying. Browsing this catalog, I foundI actually have one of these items (no, I'm not telling you which). And I thought it was merely a neat piece of memorabilia, as opposed to something that might be of potential value. So I've had an Antiques Roadshow moment!

    1. Re:Thank You Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and yes I am thinking of donating it to a museum.

  61. OVERPRICED!!! by ricksmith · · Score: 1

    I've been following computing history items on eBay and ABE Books for years now, and I'm convinced that most of the electronic computing items won't go for a fraction of Christie's estimated price ranges.

    There are a handful of truly rare items in there, but most of it is fairly common material with absurd prices.

    "High Speed Computing Devices" by ERA with the "rare" paper covers. Puhleeze. I bought a copy through ABE for $20 maybe 3 years ago, and I got to choose from among several sellers. Christie's says it's worth $800-1200.

    I don't know much about the autograph market but I remember hearing that Grace Hopper's autograph wasn't worth more than a hundred bucks or so. I doubt any of the other Giants are worth 10-100 times as much.

    Also, lots of the items are REPRINTS of articles. Lot 211 a major "Von Neumann" paper that forms the foundation of computer architecture. Oh, by the way, it's really a decades-later reprint from DATAMATION, a trade rag, but never mind, Christies says it's worth $2-3K. A copy once sat in just about every DP manager's office in the country. Rare? Hardly.

    I'd love to be wrong, though - it would mean that this junk I've collected over the past few decades is really worth a lot. But that would make it much harder to clean the trash out of my bookshelves.