Slashdot Mirror


The Cure for Cancer Might be: HIV

RGautier writes "Wired News has published that Scientists have successfully modified the AIDS-causing HIV in such a way that it can attack metasticized melanoma (cancer cells). The impact of genetic research on cancer research is in and of itself amazing. To mix this with the strategy of using one strong enemy against another is brilliance! Research will continue, obviously, but they are already reporting success on living creatures." Just think: between HIV and carrots we'll be all set.

142 of 668 comments (clear)

  1. I have good news and bad news... by beatdown · · Score: 5, Funny

    The bad news is you have cancer. The good news is you have HIV!

    1. Re:I have good news and bad news... by SeventyBang · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm waiting for them to tell us cancer is the result of renegade stem cells. After all, stem cells "...can be used to create any other cell..." and should they get a little "goofy" or should something, whether it's environmental, ingested, genetic, or whatever else it might be, "reprogram" a stem cell (or more than one) and turn them loose - it's obviously part of the victim's body - so it's not detected as a foreign object - and it's all downhill from there.

      Perhaps the same logic needs to be applied to stem cells to deal with auto-immune diseases: MS, rheumatoid arthritis, etc. Reprogram the stem cells and see if they could be less disruptive than chemo and radiation.

  2. Might want to downplay the HIV thing by geoffspear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're gotten rid of 80% of the virus, you might not want to market it as "derived from HIV". Really.

    --
    Don't blame me; I'm never given mod points.
    1. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by EaterOfDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe HIV-Lite? Or I Can't Believe It's Not HIV!

      --

      Crushing my karma one post at a time.
    2. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't really think it would make sense to downplay any involvement with HIV. Lets say they decide to call it something else and at a later point in time it's "revealed" that people are being strategically infected with HIV... even in a reduced state... don't you think people would be outraged that this information was withheld? I think the natural reaction from most of the public (through ignorance, of course) would be "why would they keep it from us... is there something they didn't want us to know?"

      Best to be as open as possible right from the start to avoid any misconceptions. (Or media backlash.)

    3. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by Speare · · Score: 4, Insightful
      you might not want to market it as "derived from HIV"

      Why is that, exactly? Think of the other dreaded word which invokes a guaranteed knee-jerk reaction from just about anyone: radiation. What's the worst thing you can put in your body? Poison. Our current treatments for cancer involve heavy doses of radiation and heavy doses of toxic chemicals.

      As a society, we're pretty familiar with using some amazingly deadly tactics against cancer, and yet, you don't see a whole lot of healthy people screaming about their exposure to those deadly glowing, poisonous cancer patients.

      --
      [ .sig file not found ]
    4. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by DigitalWallaby · · Score: 3, Funny
      HIV-Lite.

      Is that HIV without the adware?

    5. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While this may be good for curing cancer, I would fear if this tech got in the wrong hands:
      "Scientists could customize the system to target any protein on the surface of a cell"
      Target the protiens on a group of humans, Kurdish, Jewish, Korean, whatever. Many groups of humans have some genes that are particular to their genetic heritage. Target those geenes to make something worse, instant selective genocide.
      -nB

      --
      whois gawk date unzip strip find touch finger mount join nice man top fsck grep eject more yes exit umount sleep dump
    6. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by AviLazar · · Score: 5, Funny

      without the malware

      --

      I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
    7. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by Ford+Fulkerson · · Score: 5, Funny

      HIV Reduced Media Edition?

      --

      Somewhere in the heavens... they are waiting.
    8. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by NitroWolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're gotten rid of 80% of the virus, you might not want to market it as "derived from HIV". Really.

      But does it really matter to the people who would benefit from this?

      Doctor: You're going to die from cancer. However, we have this cure that uses the HIV virus. It probably won't kill you.

      Patient: Hmm, so you're telling me I'm going to die painfully from cancer, or I can take my chances with HIV with pretty damned good results. Let me think... Let me think... Nope, I think I'll take the cancer. Thanks though.

      If you're going to die anyway, you're going to grasp at just about any straw you can, even HIV.

      Trying to hide the fact that it's HIV derived would just be ASKING for lawsuits out the wazoo.

    9. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by SpamJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Kinda like Botox, the difference being that most people don't know what botulin toxin is to begin with, although the "toxin" part is a big clue. I have a feeling it'll be called something like HumaImmunex and most people won't actually make the connection to HIV.

    10. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The field of cancer medicine is not a pleasant one. It is understood that some of the drugs are very dangerous, such as Rituxan, a drug whose web site claims that deaths have been reported within 24 hours of its administration. The risks of the drug will be the same whether or not it is an HIV derivative. In the commercialization process, they will conduct research to determine how or if the link to HIV should be disclosed. I'm not even sure how necessary that will be because we're not talking about a lifestyle drug here; cancer treatment is serious, risky business.

    11. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by cfortin · · Score: 5, Insightful


      That's what I thought, when I was working on Nuclear Magnetic Resonance ( NMR ) which was changed to Magnetic Resonance Imaging ( MRI ) because too many people were afraid of the word nuclear.

    12. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by Begossi · · Score: 3, Funny

      I`m personaly still recovering from the shock of being intentionally infected with envelope remains of the Polio virus, in my childhood.
      Outrageous! I demand reparations!

      --
      Friend of the Wise, Brother of the Brave.
    13. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by slimak · · Score: 2

      I many be wrong (an please correct me if so), but doesn't the term NMR come from the fact that the resonance occurs at an atomic level. NMR is not nuclear in the sense of meltdowns or radiation. I know that I would much rather have an MRI than an X-ray....but thats just me.

    14. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by jafiwam · · Score: 5, Funny

      .... and where the backdoor has not been exposed to a malicious worm.

    15. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Nuclear Magnetic Resonance ( NMR ) which was changed to Magnetic Resonance Imaging ( MRI ) because too many people were afraid of the word nuclear.

      I've heard this several times. Does anyone know how exactly was it determined that "too many people were afraid of the word nuclear"? Or was there one marketroid who decided "nuclear" was too scary?

      --
      Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | my blog
      You cannot wash away blood with blood
    16. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      you don't see a whole lot of healthy people screaming about their exposure to those deadly glowing, poisonous cancer patients.

      Carboplatin isn't infectious.

      Now, you and I understand that the HIV used for this therapy would be highly modified from the original plague, but I suspect that the majority of people wouldn't know (or care) about the differences. On the other hand, it's pretty well understood that most poisons are completely localized to the people who ingest them.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    17. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Hmmm. I don't think that it would be as easy to turn it into a deadly weapon that way. But there probably are ways it could be done. If you were to modify it to target the appendix, or something else that you could ensure had already been removed from those you wanted to survive...


      Alternatively, someone with Sickle-Cell Anaemia could modify it to attack healthy bone marrow. The healthier a person was, the more deadly the attack would be to them.


      The problem (or, for humanity, the good thing) is that HIV is not very stable. It would be next to impossible to make an airborne strain of it.


      A far, far greater concern for humanity is that there are airborne strains of Ebola. If someone were to take an airborne Ebola and somehow merge in the targetting system in HIV, you could engineer a device capable of destruction on a scale Western civilization has no comprehension of.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    18. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by Some_Llama · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm caucasian you insensitive clod!!

    19. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Well no. You don't have to mix HIV and ebola to make ebola devastating. The problem with ebola is that it is SO simple it kicks every cell it invades into overdrive to produce more ebola. It has just enough proteins to latch onto a cell and do its job. By the time you realize you have ebola, you are as good as dead.

      HIV is the opposite extreme. It's latency period is so long that someone will be infected for years if not decades before the infection is detected. HIV is a large, complex, and fickle virus.

      There is already something airborne, virilent, and with a just short enough but just long enough incubation time. It's called influenza and it kills millions per year. And it has been killing people for as long as we have been keeping track of epidemics.

      --
      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
    20. Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 3, Informative

      The word nuclear comes from the same place in both cases... a nuclear reaction happens in the nucleus of an atom and NMR is magnetic resonance with the nucleus. The problem, like the grandparent said is that people are terrified of the word nuclear and will raise a ruckus without even bothering to understand what its all about.

  3. In other news... by HouseOfMisterE · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Smoking cures cancer, too!

    1. Re:In other news... by bmongar · · Score: 5, Funny

      I prefer cancer cures smoking.

      --
      As x approaches total apathy I couldn't care less.
  4. If I had to choose between HIV and carrots... by RootsLINUX · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I'd go with the carrots. I dunno, maybe I'm just weird.

    --
    Hero of Allacrost, a FOSS RPG for *NIX/*BSD/OS X/Win
  5. HIV vs Cancer by gbitten · · Score: 5, Funny

    The microscopic version of Alien Vs. Predator

  6. Let me guess... by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 2, Funny

    The cure for HIV might be... Cancer?

    --
    Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
    Africus aut Europaeus?
  7. Re:battlefield by Ironsides · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You assume it isn't already. Remember what White Bloodcells do? Along with anti-biotics and vacines? All this is doing is adding in another weapon to the arsenal.

    --
    Fly me to the moon Let me sing among those stars Let me see what spring is like On jupiter and mars
  8. I can hear the doc now... by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I prescribe disease-riddled hookers. Take one after every meal."

    1. Re:I can hear the doc now... by DragonPup · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do I need a referral for my medical insurance?

      --
      "Useless organic meatbag" -HK-47
  9. Re: by EaterOfDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    And the cure for HIV is Heart Disease!

    --

    Crushing my karma one post at a time.
  10. Amazing! by The-Bus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I saw this on Google News this morning and wondered why Slashdot hadn't picked up on it already. As soon as I read the headline and the article, I began to wonder... How safe is this to do this research?

    I'm not talking about the safety of recipients once this goes into the real-world (although that can be alarming), but about the research itself.

    I'm pretty far removed from science in any practical setting, but what are the procedures for this kind of research? I've seen too many movies like 28 Days Later to not imagine some accident or oversight to cause some sort of mutant airborne HIV.

    Also, does HIV even infect mice? I know there's a human/ape HIV and a feline HIV but I had not hear of mice HIV. Think of some sewer rat biting you...

    That's just my mid-day alarmist self. Note I'm not against the research, just wondering about it...

    --

    Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.

    1. Re:Amazing! by RpiMatty · · Score: 2, Informative

      Its called FIV not feline HIV. the H stands for human, and the F stands for feline.
      And there is no way to cross infect a cat with HIV or a human with FIV

    2. Re:Amazing! by GoofyBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >I've seen too many movies like 28 Days Later to not imagine some accident or oversight to cause some sort of mutant airborne HIV.

      28 Days Later had zombies. Is that what you are afraid of? Zombies?

      You want scary? Take a look at the front section of any major newspaper and do some indepth research into its topic. Zombies are an entertaining distraction in comparision.

      --
      The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
    3. Re:Amazing! by pjt33 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A bit of Googling provides multiple respectable sources stating that HIV is categorised as biohazard level 3. CDC has some information on biosafety (2.8MB - pretty slow) which includes requirements for handling of agents at different levels.

    4. Re:Amazing! by tgibbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm pretty far removed from science in any practical setting, but what are the procedures for this kind of research? I've seen too many movies like 28 Days Later to not imagine some accident or oversight to cause some sort of mutant airborne HIV.

      HIV is already widely spread in human populations all over the world, mutating rapidly, and under strong selective pressure from antiviral drugs. If it could easily mutate into an airborne strain, it probably would already have done so. The likelihood that modifying it for therapeutic purposes would accidentally turn it into an airborne strain is probably about the same as the risk that kid down the street customizing his car will accidentally turn it into an attack helicopter.

  11. Cheap Prescription Drugs by kiwidefunkt · · Score: 5, Funny

    So when this hits the market, will HIV be cheaper in Canada than the US?

    --
    www.kiwilyrics.com - a wiki for lyrics
    1. Re:Cheap Prescription Drugs by demachina · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Joking aside I see this is research is being done at UCLA presumably with public funding or maybe charitable donations.

      I was just wondering if anyone has an educated guess how many medical and drug breakthroughs are happening in publicly funded institutions, the NIH being another example, and how many are actually developed inside the big drug and healthcare companies using private funding.

      I ask because in the face of the extraordinarily high cost of drugs in the U.S., HIV drugs in particular, the usual retort by Republicans is drug companies need those huge profits to do groundbreaking R&D on new breakthrough drugs. Drug companies have the highest profits and profit margins of ANY major industrial sector in the U.S. or at least they did before they started getting hammered when it turned out drugs they were pushing like Zoloft and Vioxx are potentially dangerous.

      I'm also curious how much of the privately funded drug company research is funded by the public through tax breaks, grants etc.

      To put it another way how much do drug companies profit on breakthroughs from publicly funded research.

      Another question what is the current ratio between drug company spending on advertising versus R&D. The never ending saturation TV ads, designed to compel American consumers to demand drugs from their doctors they may or may not need, must be costing billions and all those advertising costs which do no one any actual good are being tacked on to the cost of drugs and making seniors in particular pay through the nose for saturation advertising campaigns instead of drugs or drug R&D.

      My three step plan to drive down the cost of drugs and healthcare:

      A. Outlaw drug advertising just like ads for cigarettes and hard liquor. Its totally inappropriate and disceptive to advertise drugs using slick ads, like soda pop or underarm deodorant. Confine them to advertising to doctors and then only in the form of factual dissertations on the pros and cons of the drug, audited by a 3rd party for accuracy.

      B. Mandate that drugs and publicly funded health breakthroughs be provided to the public at cost or with a regulated profit margin.

      C. Rather than outlawing U.S. agencies, like Medicare, from negotiating fair prices for wholesale drug purchases, make it law that those agencies MUST negotiate fair wholesale prices, like Canada and most other sane nations do.

      --
      @de_machina
  12. HIV and Carrots by your_mother_sews_soc · · Score: 4, Funny

    I knew this girl in college that did amazing things with candles and vegetables, including carrots. I know for a fact she won't die of cancer. She OD'd in '86.

    --
    My user name was a mistake. Input wasn't restricted, my bad.
  13. Mabye by uberjoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I guess as long as they take care of the immunodeficency part, that might not be so bad. Wouldn't want to live in a bubble now would we.

    --

    The days of the digital watch are numbered.

    1. Re:Mabye by uberjoe · · Score: 2, Informative
      HIV = Human Immonodeficiency Virus

      AIDS = Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome

      HIV destroys your immune system and thereby causes AIDS. AIDS does not kill you. You die of complications due to AIDS, usually by catching a disease which is not fatal to a healthy person (cold, pnunomia), but because of your ravaged immune system is fatal to you.

      --

      The days of the digital watch are numbered.

  14. Great news except for this small fact... by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Shades of Andromeda Strain, this story

    http://www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?template =Aids&slug=New+HIV+strain+found+in+NY&id=68437&cal lid=1 implies that HIV is becoming stronger at a time when we want to spread it by calling it a cure. I guess if you die early of the new more virulent HIV then you don't have to worry about cancer.

    --
    We have always been at war with Eurasia!
    1. Re:Great news except for this small fact... by networkBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In a way that strain is a GoodThing(tm).
      Since it progresses faster (countable in months rather than years), it is more likely to eliminate its self, rather than stay silent and spread.
      -nB

      --
      whois gawk date unzip strip find touch finger mount join nice man top fsck grep eject more yes exit umount sleep dump
  15. Re:battlefield by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do we really want to turn our bodies into a battlefield for germ warfare?

    I ask myself that same question everytime I eat out... the answer is yes... yes I do... taco-hell is just too good to pass up, and the other germs I picked up from KFC and the chinese food place down the street will battle it out... ;)

    --

    ---
    Programming is like sex... Make one mistake and support it the rest of your life.
  16. Good News vs. Bad News Joke by mrighi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Totally offtopic, but your joke made me think of another I heard somewhere.

    A guy goes to the doctor about a problem he's having. After a thorough examination, the doctor says to the patient, "I have good news and I have bad news."

    "Well doc, let me hear the good news first.", says the patient.

    To which the doctor responds, "Well, the good news is, we're going to name a disease after you!"

    1. Re:Good News vs. Bad News Joke by mmkkbb · · Score: 4, Funny

      a guy goes to thailand and messes around with some girls. he comes back to the US and he sees that his dick is turning green. he goes to his doctor, who says "it will have to be amputated". he goes for a second opinion, with the same answer. devastated, he returns to thailand to see if a native physician is mroe familiar with his illness. he goes into an emergency room and sees a doctor who tells him, "your american doctors are wrong! you need no operation." the guy excitedly replies "what do i need to do?" the doctor says, "absolutely nothing! it will fall off by itself!"

      --
      -mkb
    2. Re:Good News vs. Bad News Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I've got bad news and I've got worse news. The Bad news is, you've only got 24 hrs to live"
      "What can be worse than that?"
      "I've been trying to reach you since yesterday!"

  17. Re:battlefield by imag0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do we really want to turn our bodies into a battlefield for germ warfare?

    Yes. You better believe it.

    After seeing my mother die from cancer I would give anything to make sure no one else would ever have to go through what me and my sister did.

    In short, hell yeah. Bring it on.

  18. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by Fwonkas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe I'm mistaken, but don't we use viruses as vectors all the time? Like in vaccines?

    --
    COMPUTER! Whatever happened to Blueberry Muffin?
  19. Nothing new really by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gene therapy use lentivirus-based (HIV) vectors for quite some time now; it's nothing new really; a marketing team found the 'Cure Cancer with HIV!' twist interesting I guess.

    When pseudotyped with the right envelope, these virus can infect efficiently any type of cell. They can also transduce non-dividing cells, which is usefull. They lack almost every gene of HIV; they retain certain structures which allow packaging of the genome in the virus and the viral promoter, but that's about it. Viruses are packaged in special cell lines containing the viral components on plasmids most of the time, and preparations are tested for recombinants. Its the best technology out there, but its nothing new, really.

  20. An old phrase comes to mind by Marcus+Erroneous · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" seems like a good fit in this instance. Then again, your mileage may vary.

    --
    You must be the change you wish to see in the world - Ghandi
  21. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by sameerdesai · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Huh? And the flu shot you take is not a virus eh?

  22. Re:battlefield by Hyecee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think the "slight" risk of contracting an incurable, terminal disease is worth the chance to be rid of an incurable, terminal disease. Really, what have you got to loose?

  23. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by cluke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you for real? You think somebody is going to invent a cure for cancer, and the FDA would dare ban it? If you thought the black market for viagra was bad, it would be nothing on this.

  24. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by Freexe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you have inoperable brain cancer and given the option to die in about a month or a 1% chance at the treatment mutating into HIV...

    --
    "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
  25. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Genetically modified cells and viruses often mutate. scientists aren't certain, but they suspect that modification produces a less stable genetic code. But we are getting better at producing more robust modifications.

    --
    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  26. The Simpsons were ahead of their time -- by oneiros27 · · Score: 4, Funny
    They predicted it 5 years ago --
    Episode 238: The Mansion Family
    Meanwhile at the Mayo Clinic, Mr. Burns is told he has every disease known and unknown to man, it's just that they are all existing and trying to get through the door together in something the doctor's call "Three Stooges Syndrome". The doctors do warn him that a stiff breeze could kill him.
    --
    Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
  27. Amazing things can be done with retroviruses by JoeBuck · · Score: 3, Informative
    Unlike "normal" viruses, retroviruses actually rewrite the DNA of the cells they infect. Perhaps some day you could be cured of a genetic defect by having a retrovirus rewrite the bad gene in every cell of your body, or at least enough cells to cure the disease.

    On the other hand, HIV mutates very rapidly, so attempts to control the cure, say, by having it die off when there are no more defective genes to rewrite might well fail (as any viruses that mutate in a way to work around the die-off mechanism would reproduce rapidly).

  28. They do mutate a lot by aepervius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At least HIV mutate a lot, As Far As I Remmember. Also the cold virus (grippe?) mutate a lot this why you have to vaccinate every year AFAIR.
    mutability of influenza
    some propaganda but also speaks of HIV mutability. I did not have time to search for more HIV article but google is your friend.

    --
    C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
    visit randi.org
  29. Brilliance? by aprilsound · · Score: 5, Informative
    To mix this with the strategy of using one strong enemy against another is brilliance!
    As others have said, it sounds potentialy dangerous (mutation et al), but the idea of using something bad to treat something else bad is by no means innovative. A few examples:

    chemotherapy - is just poison. it works because the cancer cells absorb the poison much quicker than normal cells.

    radiation therapy - again, radiation by itself is bad.

    most over the counter acne treatments - are just some form or acid that kills the bacteria on the skin
    As for reengineering a virus to take on something else, while facinating, its hardly a new idea. If you are interested in this sort of thing and haven't read Orson Scott Card's Xenocide (part of the Ender Series), you might check it out.

  30. oh dear by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wired News has published that Scientists have successfully modified the AIDS-causing HIV in such a way that it can attack metasticized melanoma (cancer cells).

    So "scientists" is capitalized now?

    I guess that's fair, but not everyone believes in science so it might upset some people.

    --
    Direct away from face when opening.
  31. Mis-titled article by rpdillon · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm not too much in the know about bio-tech, but it seems that this HIV-transport-for-another-virus doesn't actually attack the cancer:

    The researchers programmed the altered virus package to attack a protein on the cancer cell surface called p-glycoprotein, which causes problems in cancer patients by shuttling cancer drugs away from the cell. In other words, p-glycoprotein causes resistance to cancer medication. Scientists could customize the system to target any protein on the surface of a cell, Chen said. He and his colleagues have seen success with about a dozen different molecules, including brain and other blood cells, he said.

    Except for the last sentence, it makes it seem as though this is only a way to pave the way for more conventional treatments. The last sentence doesn't make sense to me, given the context. I can understand how the proteins on the surface of a cell could qualify as "molecules", but then the structure of the sentence makes it seem like they're calling brain and blood cells molecules:

    He and his colleagues have seen success with about a dozen different molecules, including brain and other blood cells, he said.

    I'm still waiting for a virus that attacks the actual cancer cells. I remember hearing something about it a while back, but then it seemed to die off. Anyone been following it?

    1. Re:Mis-titled article by TheWatchfulBabbler · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You're absolutely right on the mark about the nature of the viral therapy. P-glycoprotein is an ATP-dependent drug efflux pump (part of the ATP-binding cassette family) present in a small number of cancer cells. Its main action is to remove drugs from cells before they reach their target, thus conferring multidrug resistance upon some cancers. (The name of the gene expressing P-glycoprotein says it all: MDR1, or "multidrug resistance 1.") Clinically, this means that physicians either have to abandon certain drug regimens, or increase drug levels in (often futile) efforts to get enough drugs into the cancer cells. Needless to say, oncologists *hate* Pgp.

      It wasn't until the mid-1990s that researchers were able to grow enough Pgp to analyze it using traditional methods, so we're really in the infancy of Pgp antagonists. This approach, if clinically successful, should radically improve the chances of many cancer patients.

  32. ob. simpsons reference by supersuckers · · Score: 3, Funny
    Doctor: Here's the door to your body, see? [bring up some small
    fuzz balls with goofy faces and limbs from under the desk]
    And these are oversized novelty germs. [points to a
    different one up as he names each disease] That's
    influenza, that's bronchitis, [holds up one] and this cute
    little cuddle-bug is pancreatic cancer. Here's what
    happens when they all try to get through the door at once.
    [tries to cram a bunch through the model door. The
    "germs" get stuck]
    [Stooge-like] Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo! Move it,
    chowderhead!
    [normal voice] We call it, "Three Stooges Syndrome."
    Burns: So what you're saying is, I'm indestructible!
    Doctor: Oh, no, no, in fact, even slight breeze could --
    Burns: Indestructible.
  33. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by TechnoLust · · Score: 2, Funny

    What, like sexually transmitted cancer?

    --
    "Da ist ein Technölüst in mein Unterpanten!"
  34. Re:Would this spread? by k96822 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, great. If the future of medicine means that cures will be spread via sexual contact, I'm a dead man for sure!

  35. Re: by suso · · Score: 5, Funny

    And the cure for Heart Disease is exercise, which means that we're all doomed.

  36. Re:battlefield by SpongeBobLinuxPants · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At what cost to our bodies? Yes, there are germs in us all the time, having a common cold knocks you down for a few days, a stomache virus, a week, what would cancer and (modified) HIV duking it out do to us? Already some patients opt not to hace chemo and other treatments because of the toll it takes on them. They would rather live a better quality of life for 6 months than be sick from a threatment and live 12 months.

  37. Simpsons by operagost · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does the next step involve gorillas?

    --

    Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
  38. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by the+unbeliever · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fetuses are, for the most part, tumors...

    Pregnancy, the only STD with a 100% mortality rate!

  39. Melanoma is cancer. It is NOT ALL cancer by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary of the article (and many of the comments) would have you believe this is a potential "cure for cancer".

    Melanoma is a subset of the set of all cancers - specifically, it is a form of skin cancer - more specifically, it is a cancer formed from the skin cells that give skin its pigmentation.

    Melanoma is NOT *all cancers* - thus even if this modified virus will kill 100% of all melanomas and have 0% harmful side-effects this does NOT make it a "cure for cancer" - merely a "cure for a type of cancer".

    The will need to generalize this virus to attack ALL cancerous cells, and NOT to attack any other cells.

    Now, if you can work out how a virus can tell the difference between a cancerous cell and a normal but rapidly reproducing cell, you have a Nobel prize awaiting.

    1. Re:Melanoma is cancer. It is NOT ALL cancer by Jane_Dozey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not engineer different viruses to attack different cancers? This way we could deal with less variables (ie: lots of different cells being attacked while others being left unharmed) and still get good results.

      I would much prefer being treated with a virus if I knew it had one function and did it well, rather than 100 different funtions that it may or may not do well.

      --
      Silly rabbit
    2. Re:Melanoma is cancer. It is NOT ALL cancer by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, that's pretty much what they're doing with chemotherapy. The problem is, just b/c you've got something that treats one kind of cancer doesn't mean it'll be equally easy to find something to treat any other kind of cancer.

      Some cancers have cure rates of well over 80% - we happen to have found the right mix of drugs for them. Unfortunately, that hasn't helped us much in finding the right mix of drugs for many other cancers, which still have very low survival rats.

      You're absolutely right, that's how this problem has to be attacked - but it's not as simple as you make it sound. Maybe modifying a virus to attack a different cancer will be easier than modifying chemo regimens - but probably not.

      --
      Warning: Apple/Nintendo fangirl. Likes her electronics cute & cuddly. May be rabid.
  40. A scientific explanation by adeydas · · Score: 5, Informative

    80% of the virus has been completely removed and it is just now a carrier. Besides it has got a sindbis cloak that affect only insects and birds, so I believe that the person vaccinated wouldn't contract HIV. Ofcourse there are chances of mutations but when the virus is so weak, its like 0.001%.

    1. Re:A scientific explanation by bitswapper · · Score: 2, Funny


      Would that be like zero-carb HIV? Or HIV98se?

    2. Re:A scientific explanation by Funkitup · · Score: 2, Interesting

      there are chances of mutations but when the virus is so weak, its like 0.001%.

      What does that mean? 0.001% it will mutate into a killer virus per patient? Per hour? Ever?

      If it's per patient then that doesn't seem like an acceptable risk to me - we don't want any new weird strains of HIV around?

    3. Re:A scientific explanation by caino59 · · Score: 2, Informative

      too late - there's already new strains running around...

  41. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by aprilsound · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The FDA would have to be very politicaly sensitive and short sighted to make such a call. It's not as though the FDA doesn't understand disease, after all, yogurt contains active bacterial cultures, but they are good for you, so I don't see how a virus, much less one that has to be sexualy transmitted and has had 80% of its genetic material removed (TFA), would be too big a hurdle.
    As long as they arent foolish enough to market it as modified HIV.

  42. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by TGK · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What you're talking about is Class A Experimental Therapy. It's heavy stuff and ranks up there with "hell if I know, maybe this'll do something" as far as the wealth of medical knowledge associated with it.

    As drugs and techniques prove themselves they move down the ladder until they're used to treat the general public.

    Of course, patients are only give the option of highly experimental methods once the tried and true stuff has failed.

    The only people exposed to this will be the ones who allready have a death sentence from their cancers.

    Sometimes cancer forces people into rough decisions. A friend of mine chose to accecpt a bone marrow transplant from an HIV positive doner because it was her only chance to beat her leukemia.

    She's doing fine now, but she's on AZT and all kinds of other antivirals now to stave off AIDS.

    --
    Killfile(TGK)
    No trees were killed in the creation of this post. However, many electrons were inconvenienced.
  43. Wow ... by ggvaidya · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now where's that "+0 Creepy" moderation button?

    It's 2am, and I did not need those images before going to sleep :S.

  44. Exercise by tepples · · Score: 5, Funny

    And the cure for Heart Disease is exercise, which means that we're all doomed.

    Oh really? Don't geeks have Dance Dance Revolution?

    1. Re:Exercise by Jerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ha. I knew it. Part of the definition of "good exercise" is that it has to be boring.

      I guess that heart beating and sweating and stuff for easily the recommended 15-30 minutes at a time isn't enough... it overloads the easily-overloaded "fun" receptors on the heart and other muscles and cancels out all of the other benefits. The fact that I'm feeling better is also an illusion brought on by excessive fun, which can of course cause hallucinations.

      If you're not slamming you feet on hard concrete and hating every minute of it, unless you let go of your sanity and use the cognitive dissonance of "Why the hell am I doing this?" to convince yourself that, logically, you must be having fun, you're not really getting exercise.

      Although, maybe I'm jumping the gun on this post. Having heard of neither Heard Disease nor excercise, maybe I'm accidentally reading into what you were saying. Maybe excercise really is the cure for Heard Disease, probably helps Caner too, which I hear is really vicious. (You haven't lived until you're under attack by a Heard of Caners, either. Damn, man, now that's sickness.)

      Thanks for setting me straight, Dr. SoTuA.

    2. Re:Exercise by Just+Another+Perl+Ha · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Sorry, the cure for Heard Disease is good excercise, not epileptic-like spasms and shakes.

      Tell that to my wife (a victim of heart desease for the past four years) who suffered her fate due to myocarditis brought on by a normal case of the flu... and not a poor diet or lack of excercise. Except for her failing heart (now pumping at a whopping 30%) she's the picture of perfect health. Her doctors keep wanting to use her as a poster-child to inform otherwise healthy women of their risks.

    3. Re:Exercise by bjohnson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of the risks of what?

      Contracting myocarditis, which they can't say how she got, where she got, and which little or nothing can be done for?

      how s her example supposed to help, other than illustrate that horrible things can happen to people without warning.

      I'm sorry for her, but her case is just not the norm.

      The vast majority of heart disease in this country is brought on by a sedentary lifestyle, poor diet and smoking.

      All three of these factors are readily curable without the intervention of a health organization, pricey pharmaceuticals or endless doctors visits.

    4. Re:Exercise by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who needs Dance Dance Rev. when we have our patented "one hand" navigational system when locked up in our room? My right arm is almost as pumped up as Tyson's =)

  45. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by amerinese · · Score: 5, Informative
    You're mistaken =). Some gene therapies use viruses as vectors, but of course that's rare as hell. Vaccines use weakened or disabled ("dead" if you consider the virus to have ever been alive in the first place) forms of a virus to get your immune system to produce antibodies that will also work next time around when you are exposed to the real thing. This works because your body can sit around and make antibodies without having the virus reproducing rapidly and generally causing havok. When you're exposed to the virus for real, your body already has figured out how to recognize the virus and has a stock of antibodies it can immediately use on it.

    Using a virus as a vector refers to inserting a payload into the viral sequence (the desired DNA or RNA), which then gets inserted into the cell's genetic sequence as the virus inserts itself.

    So basically I think there's quite a confusion here. I mean, it sounds like we're using one enemy to fight another, but if we can figure out how to get HIV to fight cancer, this new HIV won't go out there and suddenly turn regular HIV into good HIV that kills cancer. In fact, I don't know if it's such a good idea to use one enemy to fight another besides the fact that it sounds ironic. I would've thought that HIV would be one of the worst candidates with its fast mutational rate and ability to attack T-cells making it extremely dangerous. Obviously though, there must be some properties of HIV that make it a good vector in this case.

  46. Re:Admiration for Scientists by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Such research is dangerous for the researchers because they are working with live HIV.

    Working with HIV is actually a lot less dangerous than a lot of other infectious agents. HIV is fairly hard to contract, compared to airborne or contact-transmitted diseases. For example, it dies pretty quickly when exposed to plain old air. It's only HIV's incurability and eventual fatality that makes it so hazardous.

    Memory tells me that nurses dealing with high-risk patients are prescribed AZT in order to prevent infection. Can anyone confirm my memory?

    That seems pretty unlikely, because AZT is pretty damn toxic. You wouldn't want to take it just as a precaution. It is true that health care workers who've been exposed (e.g. needle prick from an HIV patient) go on a short-term drug cocktail intended to weaken the virus enough for their immune systems to handle it before it gains a foothold.

    --
    http://alternatives.rzero.com/
  47. Re:Admiration for Scientists by TGK · · Score: 4, Informative

    A high dose of AZT following a possible HIV infection has been shown to dramaticly decrease the risk of infection. I work with children with cancer and/or HIV on a volunteer basis and we keep a fair bit of the stuff around for just that reason.

    That said, HIV isn't terribly dangerous to work with. Admittedly it's hella scary, but given that the bug isn't airborn and that we can ameliorate any infection with a huge dose of AZT those working with patients have little to fear.

    --
    Killfile(TGK)
    No trees were killed in the creation of this post. However, many electrons were inconvenienced.
  48. good news! by Roskolnikov · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good news, we have a cure for your cancer.

    Bad news, Bruno here is going to administer it.

    --
    Unix, an obscure operating system developed by bored researchers in an attempt to get a better game playing experience.
  49. old Russian idea by peter303 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not exactly HIV, but some European scientists, particularly in the eastern block have been promoting the use of "phages", or general viruses for all kinds of things like killing bacteria and cancer. This idea was somewhat popular before the distillation of antibiotics in the 1930s, then retreated to the backwaters. Its been reviving as more bacteria develop resistance to all of the antibiotics.

  50. Mutating HIV here, today :( by marcello_dl · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Multi-drug-resistant HIV strain raises alarm

    The coincidence that an engineered HIV against cancer comes around just when another HIV mutation appears on the wild... Where is my tinfoil hat?

    --
    ---- MISSING MISCELLANEOUS DATA SEGMENT --- [sigdash] trolololol
  51. Kinda like Osama vs USSR by Macrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Using one bad thing against another bad thing doesn't always work out too well.

  52. Re:Is there any chance... by jamesoutlaw · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This link has some interesting information about the origin of HIV... including this:

    Three of the earliest known instances of HIV infection are as follows:

    1. A plasma sample taken in 1959 from an adult male living in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo
    2. HIV found in tissue samples from an American teenager who died in St. Louis in 1969.
    3. HIV found in tissue samples from a Norwegian sailor who died around 1976.

    Analysis in 1998 of the plasma sample from 1959 was interpreted5 as suggesting that HIV-1 was introduced into humans around the 1940s or the early 1950s, which was earlier than had previously been suggested. Other scientists have suggested that it could have been even longer, perhaps around 100 years or more ago.
  53. Re:Check you facts by TGK · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check your own....

    Generaly the virus used is the Herpes Simplex A virus due to the ease of genetic packaging.

    That said, no virus can be engineered to just attack cancer cells. Cancer cells are identical to non-cancerous cells in nearly all respects. The difference isn't in what they "look like" but what they do. Cancer cells do not (generaly) preform the task that their non-cancerous counterparts preform and instead divide rapidly.

    So the way you target cancer is targeting dividing cells. Since cancer cells divide more rapidly than non-cancerous cells they die off in higher numbers. Lather, rise, repeat. Eventualy you're out of cancer cells.

    The problem is that radiation and chemo make the patient very sick, and the dehydration effects tend to leave them weakened and unable to continue treatment. Chemo and Radiation thus become a balance between killing the cancer and killing the patient.

    A virus could be different because unlike the injestion of poison (Chemo) or exposure to Radiation, the body does not generaly react to viral infection with vomiting and other nasty side affects.

    The result is that you can get more cancer killing power per unit of patient killing power. This in turn translates to a higher cure rate for cancers.

    This is why stem cells are so interesting for curing cancers. Got a brain tumor? Great.... we'll zap the shit out of it and toss in some stem cells... in a few days you'll have regenerated the brain tissue and you'll be good as new. That's science fiction today, but it's well within the realm of possibility in a few years.

    --
    Killfile(TGK)
    No trees were killed in the creation of this post. However, many electrons were inconvenienced.
  54. Due out next month by Jozer99 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Due out next month is a study that shows amazing results curing AIDS by implanting tumors into HIV positive patiences...

  55. Re:"Ahhh that's how it always starts. Then later.. by nucal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The reason that the adenoviral therapy killed Jesse Gelsinger is that they a) used a form of the virus that causes an immune response b) miscalculated the dose that they gave him and c) injected it directly into his hetatic portal vein (right into his liver).

    This is a big problem with adenovectors - even in the best cases, patients will get at least a little sick from them. There are next generation forms that are less toxic, but these are still in development.

    The real advance here was that they were able to combine the minimal "cell killing" aspect of HIV with another virus, Sindbis, to create a gene therapy that is relatively benign. They then modified that to target this to specifically kill a certain type of tumor. Previous attempts at HIV-based gene therapies proved to be too toxic.

    Of course this was all in mice, which don't get AIDS from HIV. Whether it would in people is another story.

  56. Re:battlefield by SlayerofGods · · Score: 4, Funny

    But white bloodcells and HIV have been fighting each other for so long can we really expect them to put aside their diffrences and work together for a common goal?

    --

    Technology, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.
  57. Don't fear this, Fear Avian Bird Flu by purduephotog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This research, while initially scary, is relatively safe due to the safeguards in place.

    What you need to fear and what the general population doesn't understand is that chickens overseas are the perfect breeding ground for the next epidemic. At least one case exists where two people caught the flu bug from an infected person... who got it from a chicken.

    Can you imagine what wouldve happend had that inital carrier been infected with, say, influenza? A nice, ripe virus that mutates every year and at the drop of a hat... now being fed genes that can expand it's payload a millionfold.

    What do you think a flu vaccine would cost then? Assuming, of course, that the 20% mortality rate would be realistic...

    Anyways- this research doesn't scare me. They aren't talking about mixing different diseases yet that have radically different vectors (think Clancy). But should they try to pull this stunt with common flu, chicken pox, small pox, HIV, bird flu, and rabies... and let them stew... then we're in trouble. Byebye world population...

    1. Re:Don't fear this, Fear Avian Bird Flu by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Informative

      At least one case? hahaha, ALL flu comes from overseas chickens which has jumped to humans who spread it to other humans, EVERY YEAR. And tens of thousands die from this, EVERY YEAR. *yawn*

  58. Melanoma is one of the most dangerous cancers by MSBob · · Score: 4, Informative
    This is very good news indeed as melanoma is a very difficult cancer to get rid of.

    Unfortunately a fellow geek has a case. Check out his weblog here.

    Basically make sure you get all suspicious looking moles checked by your doctor before it's too late. Melanoma is only life threatening when it spreads beyond the initial site.

    --
    Your pizza just the way you ought to have it.
  59. Re: by EaterOfDog · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, the modding on this stupid post of mine is exciting! +1 Funny and -1 Overrated are running neck and neck! GO +1 FUNNY GO!
    Yes, Mondays are slow here.

    --

    Crushing my karma one post at a time.
  60. Re:battlefield by CyberKnet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Things will be reasonably quiet until a few outcast terrorist HIV strands decide to hijack an errant blood clot and crash it into the aortic valve.

    Following that, security will start "screening" the blood so finely that the backlog of blood waiting to enter the heart causes our blood pressure to skyrocket, causing us to all die early of heart attacks.

    But they'll tell us it's in our best interests, and we'll go along with it anyway.

    --
    Video meliora proboque deteriora sequor - Ovidius
  61. Another, safer virus also cures cancer by bshroyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    At least, that's what the initial results of the studies show.

    The human reovirus has shown dramatic promise in early oncolytic trials. Some great pictures can be seen here .

    The virus itself is non-pathogenic, lives in the bowels and lungs, and it's believed that most adult humans have been exposed to it during their lifetimes. Contrast this with HIV...

    I've been watching this technology for a couple of years now it's slow going to get through clinical trials, but there's good evidence that reovirus may be able to treat 2/3 of all cancer out there , with little or no adverse side effects. Where it is not 100% effective, and radiation therapy is also prescribed, reovirus has been shown to be a good radiosensitizer.

    Aside from reovirus, we're hearing more and more stories like this every year. I have a strong feeling that we'll have a cure for 90% of all cancer within the decade.

    --
    The cure for cancer is coming: Reovirus
  62. Marketing by GunFodder · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not "heavy doses of radiation", it's radiotherapy. And no one takes "heavy doses of toxic chemicals"; they get chemotherapy. From now on "genetically altered HIV virii" will be known as Happy Fun Gene Therapy.

  63. Hard to make HIV any more mutation-prone. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Informative

    Genetically modified cells and viruses often mutate. scientists aren't certain, but they suspect that modification produces a less stable genetic code.

    In the case of HIV, the virus is ALREADY extremely mutation-prone. If I remember correctly, the reverse transcriptase enzyme (the one that makes the initial-infection copy) averages more than one error per copy.

    The virus compensates for this by having TWO copies of its genome - not so much for error correction as to have a significant chance of having a working version of each enzyme when it has infected a cell. (This also lets it form hybrids when two different versions infect the same cell.)

    The result is that it actually evolves resistance to the antibodies the body throws at it during the course of the infection. And also that the infection is slow - but eventually overwhelms the immune system with a mob attack of divergent versions of the virus. A typical late-stage patient may have three or more viable variant populations, each capable of infecting other people.

    If they ARE using pieces of the AIDS virus in their construct, I certainly hope one of the changes they made is replacing this error-prone enzyme with a more accurate one from another virus.

    --
    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
    1. Re:Hard to make HIV any more mutation-prone. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

      If they ARE using pieces of the AIDS virus in their construct, I certainly hope one of the changes they made is replacing this error-prone enzyme with a more accurate one from another virus.

      Should have RTFAed. It sounds like they are using the transcriptase in question, errors and all, but left out the genes for the rest of the virus - assembling the surface from parts made elsewhere. So the thing doesn't have the mechansim to reproduce - just the mechanism to install the payload genes.

      --
      Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
  64. The REAL good news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is that the cure for cancer is sexually transmitted!*

    Sure as hell beats chemo!

    *Of coarse I didn't RTFA.

  65. Re:battlefield by n1ywb · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's bullshit.

    --
    -73, de n1ywb
    www.n1ywb.com
  66. Beneficial effects of smoking by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "When chronically taken, nicotine may result in:
    • positive reinforcement
    • negative reinforcement
    • reduction of body weight
    • enhancement of performance
    and protection against:
    • Parkinson's disease
    • Tourette's disease
    • Alzheimer's disease
    • ulcerative colitis and
    • sleep apnea.
    The reliability of these effects varies greatly but justifies the search for more therapeutic applications for this interesting compound."

    -"Beneficial Effects of Nicotine" (Jarvik, British Journal of Addiction, 1991)

    Not listed here is an obscure type of stroke that occurs with less frequency in smokers.

    I started smoking out of sheer desperation with ulcerative colitis about ten years ago. The ulcerative colitis went away, but then I was left with a disgusting two pack per day habit for two years that probably did more damage to my health. I should have tried chewing that gross nicotine gum instead. (Crohn's disease OTOH has a high incidence among smokers so it isn't exactly a total win.)
    1. Re:Beneficial effects of smoking by Naomiah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Smoking also apparently helps control schizophrenia. Or perhaps a more exact way of putting it is that schizophrenics who are smokers do worse when they don't smoke. Most schizophrenics are smokers, just because of the tough circumstances under which they live, but I cannot cite for that. I just know that every schizophrenic that I have ever known smokes, and I have read studies about schizophrenia and smoking. Unfortunately, I read these studies way before the internet, so I cannot provide links.

      --
      "Yes, I am a lawyer." - Star Jones
  67. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by BTWR · · Score: 5, Insightful
    thats a typical conspiracy theory idea - along the lines of "they cured polio, so they lost out big on all the treatment money!"

    Well, that may be true for the dozens of pharmaceutical companies that made polio-reducing drugs, but Lederle, the company which marketed the (oral) polio vaccine made KILLING by selling 3 or 4 doses to all 6 billion people on the planet!

    Same thing for an HIV cure/vaccine. Dozens of companies would no longer have a source of income, but the ONE company that creates (and patents) the vaccine will guarentee to sell 50 billion units over the next 40 years (assuming, like most vaccines, that it takes a few doses and booster shots to achieve the desired effect).

    Plus, as a medical student, I happen to know for a FACT that people in my school are working on HIV vaccines. "They" aren't preventing this type of research.

  68. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by zymurgyboy · · Score: 3, Informative
    This isn't using the virus in the same a way a vaccine does, which is to ilicit a response to unmodified, killed virus by your immune system.

    This genes that cause immunosuppression in unmodified HIV have been removed in this case and replaced with something else that sepcifically targets the cancer cells themselves irrespective of your natural immune reponse.

    When they prefect the "targeting" bit with cell receptor proteins, I'm wondering what the next step will be. Maybe have the vector modify the genes in the cancer cell to stop producing the homones that cause unrestricted tumor growth? Or perhaps hijack the cancer cell to produce something like the chemicals used in a chemotherapy regimin within your own body; perhaps in smaller, less toxic doses that naturally taper down as the cancer cell count abates? Who knows?

    --
    If you never make mistakes, it's probably because you're not doing anything.
  69. Re:Admiration for Scientists by JohnnyCannuk · · Score: 2, Informative

    While I share your admiration, working with HIV is actually not all that dangerous to work with in a lab. HIV is, I believe (and I'm sure someone will correct me), a Level 2 Pathogen since it cannot live outside its host and requires direct exchange of bodyfluids to be transmitted. It's deadly, but not particularly virulent and has a long incubation period. HIV needs some extra procedures for handling and washing up, but thats it.

    Contrast with everyone's favorite Level 4 pathogen Ebola Zaire. Ebola Zaire can be caught through casual contact with an infected person or something they have touched (Ebola Reston is actually airborn, but only affects monkeys). It has a very short inclubation period and kills 90% of its victims, in about 10 days. This one is very virulent. Ebola Zaire needs an airtight, negative presure room and a person in a space suit to work with it.

    I do like the creativiity of understanding the mechanism of one "enemy" to use against another....Sun Tzu would be proud...

    --
    Never by hatred has hatred been appeased, only by kindness - the Buddha
  70. Re:Nothing To See Here... by Software · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can you explain the polio vaccine? How about smallpox?

  71. And another thing by xant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who have cancer serious enough to require this step are going to die, soon and painfully, from their cancer. In that position I know what my attitude would be: "Cure me or kill me. It's a win-win from my point of view." (paraphrasing House, M.D.)

    --
    It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
  72. Jails now Healthier than Hospitals by syntap · · Score: 2, Funny

    What a headline that would be.

  73. Re:battlefield by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Maybe you've never gotten chemotherapy. I have. IT SUCKS ASS. If there's ever any point at which your body is a battlefield, it's when you're getting chemo - it's working as hard as it can to kill your cells, and they're working as hard as they can to fight back. Growing back bone marrow that's been killed off hurts.

    If this HIV-derived therapy will make cancer die more easily from chemo and cause you to have to have less chemo (which, from the article, is how it sounds like it works), then really you're just shortening the war.

    --
    Warning: Apple/Nintendo fangirl. Likes her electronics cute & cuddly. May be rabid.
  74. BOTOX, anyone? by mbaciarello · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Botox® is the commercial name for Clostridium Botulinum toxin -- a very possibly lethal one, too, if taken in appropriate doses.

    Just in case the layperson didn't know what the active ingredient is, it's got a self-explaining "*TOX" in its name. Now, that doesn't sound very reassuring, right?

    However, its name hasn't prevented it from becoming one of the most popular drugs in the US at the moment, with people paying outrageous money for a very simple injection - of a poison. There are even (mentally ill|desperate) people resorting to homemade products and ending up in intensive care units, if not dead. All this to be given poison and iron out a few wrinkles?

    I guess this shows that when there's both a scientific (and marketing?) interest, doctors and media are more than able to convince their patients that a "poison" or dangerous substance is for their good (looks.)

  75. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, we're not all doomed - if all slashdot users were to disappear I think human reproductive rates would continue essentially unchanged.

  76. Huge health risk by GunFodder · · Score: 3, Funny

    Zombies are a major health risk. Their predilection for eating brains makes them an ideal vector for Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy, AKA Mad Cow Disease, thanks to the bizarre bits of protein known as prions.

  77. "she swallowed the spider to catch the fly" by Eric+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Poor old woman, I think she'll die.

  78. Re:What would the evangelitcal Christans beleve. by ab762 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now, if we could only engineer a virus that causes good spelling, punctuation, and grammar...

  79. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Didn't they basically rubberstamp a drug with an 80% success rate against leukemia a while back? They're not evil, just beurocratic.

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  80. Re:battlefield by misleb · · Score: 2, Funny

    Isn't that what are bodies are already doing as we speak? There is a constant battle going on that you are not aware of. If this new HIV variant is otherwise inert, I don't see any problem using it to attack cancer cells. Although it would kinda suck to find that the HIV stuck around even after its job was done. Eventually everone would have it.

    -matthew

    --
    "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
  81. Awful joke. by scovetta · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Sir, I've got bad news. You've got cancer and Alzheimer's."
    --"Well at least I don't have cancer!"

    --
    Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
  82. This is a REALLY REALLY REALLY bad idea! by voss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are taking a form of the HIV virus and wrapping it inside a virus wrapper of a virus that is carried by BIRDS AND INSECTS! Imagine if they made a mistake...you could potentially have a version of the AIDS virus that could be transmitted by insects or worse yet...spreadable by birds...undercooked poultry could have a whole new problem!

  83. The lizards are a godsend. by Blob+Pet · · Score: 4, Funny

    Skinner: Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.

    Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're
    overrun by lizards?

    Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese
    needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.

    Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?

    Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous
    type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

    Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!

    Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around,
    the gorillas simply freeze to death.

    --
    "...today consumers have been conditioned to think of beer when they see a bullfrog..."
  84. Re: by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    eh... wouldn't the average reproduction rate (or x/1000) increase?

  85. No, that's not how it works. by jd · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's not "Happy Fun Gene Therapy". For a start, McDonalds owns the words "Happy", Kiss trademarked "Gene" and Selective Service patented "Fun".


    Recent market research shows the phenominal popularity of words that connect with Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Harry Potter. Furthermore, they also show the connection with immortality or avoidance of death by characters in those phenomina.


    As such, the best possible name is Darth Voldemort's Precioussss One Ring Remedy.

    --
    It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
  86. Re:Built in vaccine syringe by misleb · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It is not uncommon for humans to introduce one pest to get rid of another just to find that the new pest is just that, a pest. AFAIK, we can't know for sure all the long term effects of being infected with an engineered HIV. What if it is one small mutation away from causing some serious problems? 5 billion walking petri dishs seems like a pretty good opportunity for such a mutation. Scientists are doing some really amazing things, but they can screw up royally just like anyone else. Pardom me if I don't have absolute faith. I wouldn't fully accept this new cancer treatment unless I could be assured that the virus will die off or self destruct once the job is done. Seems to me like it would die off in the absense of its preferred home, cancer cells, but I'd like to know for sure. ANd of course, IANAB.

    -matthew

    --
    "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
  87. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by Suidae · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why is the body good at dealing with things like colds, but can't seem to handle things like common bacterial STDs? Or, is it actually good at dealing with them, but occasionally runs into a strain it can't handle and which then causes symptoms?

  88. Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . by TGK · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was someone she knew personaly.... an older sister I think (imagine being her parrents... I don't know how they dealt with it).

    As a cancer survivor myself, I know where you're coming from. Though... I can see why they wouldn't want a leukemia patient giving blood/marrow!

    I'm trying to think of a cancer that isn't in the marrow by default but can show up there easily short of matastization and I'm coming up blank. What did you have?

    --
    Killfile(TGK)
    No trees were killed in the creation of this post. However, many electrons were inconvenienced.
  89. New strategy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hardly. We've been using one strong enemy to fight another strong enemy for years. That's what chemotherapy and radiation therapy do. You try to kill the cancer without killing the patient.

    A lot of our prescription medicines are actually poisons if they were in slightly larger doses.

    I'm on three antibiotics right now and they are working on the infection, but, damn, I feel as bad as I've ever felt simply from the side effects.

  90. Link to the Primary Source Paper by quetzalc0atl · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/n m/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nm1192.html

    Lentiviral vector retargeting to P-glycoprotein on metastatic melanoma through intravenous injection

    Kouki Morizono1, 2, Yiming Xie1, 2, Gene-Errol Ringpis1, 2, Mai Johnson3, Hoorig Nassanian1, Benhur Lee1, 4, Lily Wu3 & Irvin S Y Chen1, 2, 5

    1 Department of Microbiology, Immunology and Molecular Genetics, University of California, 10833 Le Conte Avenue, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.
    2 UCLA AIDS Institute, University of California, 10833 Le Conte Avenue, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.
    3 Department of Urology, University of California, 10833 Le Conte Avenue, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.
    4 Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, University of California, 10833 Le Conte Avenue, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.
    5 Department of Medicine, David Geffen School of Medicine, University of California, 10833 Le Conte Avenue, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA.

    Correspondence should be addressed to Irvin S Y Chen syuchen@mednet.ucla.edu


    Targeted gene transduction to specific tissues and organs through intravenous injection would be the ultimate preferred method of gene delivery. Here, we report successful targeting in a living animal through intravenous injection of a lentiviral vector pseudotyped with a modified chimeric Sindbis virus envelope (termed m168). m168 pseudotypes have high titer and high targeting specificity and, unlike other retroviral pseudotypes, have low nonspecific infectivity in liver and spleen. A mouse cancer model of metastatic melanoma was used to test intravenous targeting with m168. Human P-glycoprotein was ectopically expressed on the surface of melanoma cells and targeted by the m168 pseudotyped lentiviral vector conjugated with antibody specific for P-glycoprotein. m168 pseudotypes successfully targeted metastatic melanoma cells growing in the lung after systemic administration by tail vein injection. Further development of this targeting technology should result in applications not only for cancers but also for genetic, infectious and immune diseases.

  91. Simpsons Quote by ArtimusArchmage · · Score: 3, Funny

    Skinner: Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.
    Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
    Skinner: No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
    Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
    Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
    Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
    Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

  92. Re:there was already a viral cure by vidarh · · Score: 3, Informative

    And if you'd bother to RTFA you'd see that the current approach focuses on using the Sindbis virus for delivery. Sindbis itself is not a full cure - it attacks cancer cells but is by no means guaranteed to be sufficient to destroy a tumour. That is why researchers are now looking at using it for delivering other "payloads" that are more lethal to the cancer cells. Many of these would toxic to normal substancs in the body, but using Sindbis allows focused delivery, potentially massively reducing the damage to the body.

  93. Luciferase vis technique by TheWatchfulBabbler · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's a technique developed by Xenogen; I've seen it show up in several recent conferences and papers, but I'm not up on the details. It does use in vivo expression of luciferase plus intraperitoneal administration of luciferin, plus what I assume is a *very* sensitive photon detector. There was an article in PNAS a few months ago where they used this technique.

    I do agree that the article is badly done, but Wired isn't really known for its rigor.

  94. I can see the pickup lines already... by Drakonite · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I had HIV therapy, want me to cure YOUR cancer?"

    --
    Shoot Pixels, Not People!
  95. Re:Excercise by idono · · Score: 3, Informative

    You could've saved yourself a few bucks... Stepmania http://www.stepmania.com./

  96. Actually, the Cure for Heart Disease is Herpes! by patentlysilly · · Score: 2, Informative
  97. Not new by xgamer04 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To mix this with the strategy of using one strong enemy against another is brilliance!

    Ever heard of phages?

    --
    When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?