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Yahoo, Apache, Ebay, Amazon, Netscape Celebrate 10 Year Anniversaries

tagish writes "Roy Fielding writes on the Apache dev mailing list: 10 years ago today, the Apache Group decloaked with the creation of the new-httpd archive and initial accounts on hyperreal.org. I had the lucky timing of having the first message archived on the list, though we had actually been talking about what to do for at least a week before that (sadly, without any archives)." At the same time, Mike Porter simply writes "Yahoo celebrates its tenth anniversary on March 2nd." News about some other anniversaries available via an MSNBC article.

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  1. Linux celebrates by grennis · · Score: 4, Funny

    10th year of "Year of Linux"

  2. Now please clean up your act by Virtual+Karma · · Score: 4, Funny

    After the celebrations are you considering giving us a clean home page? Please YAHOO... its been long due

    1. Re:Now please clean up your act by everdred · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's not in their business model.

      From the thus far print-only Wired article (available on wired.com on March 1), the average Yahoo! user spends 4.8 hours per month on their site. And Google users spend an average of 6/10ths of an hour on Google. And that's the way they both want it.

      Their approaches and goals are different. Google keeps their users coming back by getting them what they need as quickly as possible. Yahoo! seems to keep users coming back for Games! and Music! and Shopping! Oh my!

    2. Re:Now please clean up your act by everdred · · Score: 5, Informative

      By the way, if it's a clean, Google-like (search-centric) interface you'd like to see on Yahoo!, try search.yahoo.com.

    3. Re:Now please clean up your act by blixel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yahoo is the cleanest, free email and instant messenger for anyone, plus news & multimedia, between the three yahoo is the best...

      Google is nice but lacks an instant messenger client...


      Why would you want Yet Another Instant Messenger? At least if you have a gmail account, you can still send e-mail to whomever you like. If Google creates an Instant Messenger, all your friend(s) will have to install yet another IM client.

      No - we don't need another Instant Messenger. What we need is an IM standard based on an open protocol like Jabber.

      Though if Google created an IM client which was in fact based on Jabber, it might give Jabber the boost it needs to slow down the spread of crappy, proprietary IM protocols like ICQ and Yahoo.

  3. One of these things is not like the other by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yahoo, Apache, Ebay, Amazon, Netscape

    One of these things is not the same kind.

  4. Twirl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well hooray for a bunch of people who got to ride the .com bubble and get far richer than I'll ever be.

  5. Wow. by GregoryD · · Score: 4, Funny

    This also means I have been online 10 years. Wow. Where does the time go?

    Oh yeah, multiplayer internet games!

  6. Confirmation email from Yahoo in 1995.. by nolife · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From id@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 21:03:25 1995
    Return-Path: <id@yahoo.com>
    Received: from marburg.yahoo.com (marburg.yahoo.com [205.216.162.14]) by mail.hula.net (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) with ESMTP id VAA00599 for <XXXXXX@hula.net>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:03:24 -1000
    From: id@yahoo.com
    Received: (from http@localhost) by marburg.yahoo.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA21476; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:03:25 -0800
    Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:03:25 -0800
    Message-Id: <199511240703.XAA21476@marburg.yahoo.com>
    To: XXXXXX@hula.net
    Subject: Your Yahoo ID
    Mime-Version: 1.0

    Thank you for registering. Your Yahoo ID is

    XXXXXXX

    Please make a note of it for future Yahoo promotions. By using
    this ID you can avoid filling out the personal information that
    you just submitted to us. We know that filling out these forms
    is a pain, so we'd like to make it as easy as possible. Address
    questions about this to id@yahoo.com.

    Thanks again for registering..

    Bunch of Yahoos
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    1. Re:Confirmation email from Yahoo in 1995.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      you did realize that his username is "nolife", right?

  7. Not Quite. by cacepi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry, but Yahoo has been around since January 1994.

    1. Re:Not Quite. by DarkMantle · · Score: 4, Informative

      They seem to be celebrating the incorperation date, which according to the link you posted was March 1995.

      I hope you don't get marked insightful for not reading your own link and being able to think by yourself.

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  8. Re:4 character password by geofforius · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not anymore you don't

  9. Billion Dollar Babies by Sundroid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the MSNBC article: "Relative youngster Google has been lauded for reaching $1 billion in sales in just six years. Well, Amazon did it in four, Yahoo in five and eBay achieved it in seven. Compare those companies with Wal-Mart, which aged to 18 before it could slap the phrase, 'the billion dollar company' on its annual report; and McDonald's took 24 years to hit the benchmark."

    Page and Brin of Google, Filo and Yang of Yahoo were in Stanford Ph. D. program; Jeff Bezos of Amazon graduated from Princeton (EE and CS); Pierre Omidyar, Ebay founder, went to Tufts (CS); Meg Whitman, CEO of Ebay, went to Princeton and Harvard. What's the lesson here? Hitting the books pays. I guess.

    1. Re:Billion Dollar Babies by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Insightful
      From the MSNBC article: "Relative youngster Google has been lauded for reaching $1 billion in sales in just six years. Well, Amazon did it in four, Yahoo in five and eBay achieved it in seven. Compare those companies with Wal-Mart, which aged to 18 before it could slap the phrase, 'the billion dollar company' on its annual report; and McDonald's took 24 years to hit the benchmark."

      Yeah and IBM probably took something like eighty years since it began in 1885 and revenues probably didn't reach the billion mark till the mid 60s. The measurements are not in constant dollars. A much better measure would be looking at how long it took the companies to reach a certain fraction of GDP. AT&T probably looks similar. Its a meaningless comparison except in constant dollars.

      McDonalds operated as a single diner for many years before Ray Krok drove up to sell them a mixer and ended up inventing franchising and it was another ten years before they went public. If Krok had had access to the amount of capital Amazon and EBay did they could have become a billion dollar company much faster.

      A better measure would be the point at which a company had earned a billion dollars in profits (inflation adjusted).

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    2. Re:Billion Dollar Babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No it shows that people who are smart gravitate to big-name universities. People with degrees from those universities are not always "smarter", but often they are smart enough to realise the value of the big name for networking and venture capital. That is a form of intelligence also, to navigate social structures to your best advantage.

      I wouldn't say that someone is good just because they have gone to a certain institution. The reason Trinity college in Cambridge has more Nobel prizes than the whole of France is not just the quality of the teaching... It's about who are the people who seek to go to these places, and what are the entrance requirements.

      So it really does become more about who sets up shop first, as they will always have the smarter people *come* to them rather than actually *producing* them.

      So yes, for all the anti-university sentiment from some quarters of the slashdot crowd you can say something about someone from a prestige university. But that's not to say you should discount someone from another university, or a person who did not go to a uni.

      The recent article on John Gilmore is awesome, he's twice the man any google-do-no-evil-but-fire-the-bloggers-hand-over- details-to-feds-without-a-fight-and-censor-in-chin a-france-and-germany founder can claim to be.

      Same with Stallman or any of the BSD guys. All of them are massively more important in my eyes (university or no). But that doesn't say that a degree is meaningless either.

      Anyway, to return to your phrase "hitting the books", I don't think universities have a monopoly on "hitting the books".

  10. my apache experience 10 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's my experience with Apache about (almost) ten years ago. I was working at a place where we were running NCSA httpd 1.3 on SunOS 4.1. Our web site had become more popular due to a news article or something. Performance was bad because NCSA httpd waited to receive a new TCP connection, and then forked a child to service that connection. The child served the request, then immediately exited. Not a horrible model when the web was some guy's fun little research project, but not optimal either.

    So, we needed something better. I had heard about this new httpd called Apache, which had started off life as a series of patches to NCSA httpd. Hence the name: it was a-patchy-server. I thought the pun was mildly lame, but when I read the info on how it worked, I was impressed: here was an httpd that forked off N different httpd server children in advance and then communicated with them to assign tasks as TCP connections came in. It would start out with N of them, and if all N were busy at the time a new connection came in, it would create child N+1, and so on. Performance was supposed to be something like an order of magnitude better, and since it was a branch of NCSA httpd, it could read all our config files (although we'd want to tweak them a little to get good performance).

    NCSA httpd 1.3 had been released, but no new changes had come from NCSA in a while, and these Apache people seemed to have gotten a lot accomplished in a short time, so I had a good feeling about them. So, I talked to my boss and suggested that this new Apache thingamabob might be the solution to all our problems.

    He thought about it and decided he wasn't sure some obscure bunch of hotshot developers creating their own rogue branch from the well-respected NCSA code were the type of people we should expect to be around for long. He thought it'd be much safer to just wait for NCSA httpd 1.4, which was supposed to have its own pre-forking implementation. So we did.

    A few years later, I had to look back and laugh that my boss was skeptical that this weird new Apache thing could ever catch on. But all in all, there was nothing wrong with his decision. He may've been a little too conservative, but a good system administrator makes decisions that will make the system work, and doesn't let the coolness factor of this or that technology sway him.

    On the other hand, I get some satisfaction from looking back and knowing that my gut instinct was right on target.

    On the other other hand, I get even more satisfaction from looking back and realizing I'm not a systems administrator anymore, and I've actually manage to escape to a different part of the technical universe (knock on wood). :-)

  11. I ALSO say this in all seriousness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What shallow person modded you insightful? The WWW would not be anything near what we have today, had it not been for Netscape in the 90s. One can argue that Mosaic had brought graphics to the WWW, but Netscape added Java, Javascript, plugins, and many other rich multimedia extensions just a click away.

    And don't forget, we would NOT have Firefox today, had it not been for Netscape.

  12. Characteristics of a Ten Year Old by NicksMyName · · Score: 5, Funny
    Just looked for the charactertics of a ten year old and found a good list here Ones that seem to apply to Apache as a ten year old:

    "Care of clothes/room at dismal low"

    "Responsive to anger often violent and immediate"

    "Will accept bathing schedule if it doesn't interfere with activities"

    "Fears at a low ebb"

    "Not yet aware of when they are tired and need to go to bed"

    "Humor is corny, sometimes smutty"

    "Interest span still somewhat short"

    "Needs certain amount of liberty to move around"

    "Concerned about fairness"

    "Greatest difficulties in relation to siblings "

    "Responsive to anger often violent and immediate"

    Ones that may not apply:

    "Still exhibits admiration for adults, teachers"

    "Still needs considerable amount of supervision to get things done, needs clues to organization"

    "Enjoys outdoor play activities, sports, collections, Cub Scouts, T.V., and video games" (well, except for the TV and Video Games)

    "Enjoys listening to stories"

    "Not necessarily a worker"

    "Have sudden bursts of affection"

    "Last age (for a while) when child goes happily on family outings"

  13. Re:life before apache by Marc+Slemko · · Score: 4, Informative

    NCSA.

    http://www.apache.org/history/timeline.html

    The Apache HTTP server was an evolution, not a revolution.

  14. Re:It's like Jeopardy! by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 4, Funny

    Trebek: And the categories are: Potents Potable, Sharp Things, Navigators that end with "etscape navigator", A Petit Dejeuner, Animal Sounds, Condiments and finally Your Ass or a Hole in The Ground.
    Reynolds: Yeah I'll take the alien thing for 8000.
    Trebek: That's etscape... for 400.

  15. PNG by Glenn+R-P · · Score: 5, Interesting

    March 7, 1995, birth of the Portable Network Graphics (PNG) format.

  16. Step back in time.. by Dynamoo · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Funny that nobody mentioned the Wayback Machine where you can see somewhat broken examples of these sites from early in their histories.. for example - Yahoo in October 1996. It's still quite usable, but alas not all the early archives are.

    And Google Groups is always a lot of fun.. you can see Jeff Bezos asking some questions about marketing Amazon here, and even searching for developers here

    I know somewhere the very first attempt at a bookstore by Jeff Bezos is still archived, but I can't remember where..

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