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Hand Recharged iPod Shuffle

randomErr writes "In one for the first article on the new O'Reilly MAKE magizine we see how to recharge your iPod with a crank. The "Torronesque" project was based on the idea of coming up with a project and buiding it even if it has no immediate purpose. Imagine getting a little power charge every time you press a key or open your phone or laptop."

129 comments

  1. Old idea by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was patented in 1999 (the keyboard idea). here.

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    1. Re:Old idea by swordfishBob · · Score: 1

      So where is it?
      Perhaps this is another patent that just sitting there keeping (this time) battery manufacturers in business.

      Maybe I could patent doing the same thing with a mouse..

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    2. Re:Old idea by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just because it was patented doesn't mean it's a good idea of course; I believe the amount of power that can be generated by this method is too small to be of much use, even at theoretical 100% efficient conversion. Instead of allocating extra space, weight, and manufacturing cost for this complex charger system, simply including a bigger battery will improve battery life more. There is some interesting discussion along these lines in the original Slashdot story about the patent (also from '99).

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    3. Re:Old idea by Amiga+Trombone · · Score: 5, Funny

      It was patented in 1999 (the keyboard idea).

      Actually, a crank-powered audio player was patented a long time before that. See here.

    4. Re:Old idea by Keruo · · Score: 1

      They're trying to achieve too much with simple idea. It's obvious that you cannot power entire laptop with that magnet-coil setup, and it just adds extra weight which isn't nice.
      But how about using the idea on wireless keyboards? The extended weight wouldn't really be problem since the keyboard just sits on your table. I don't have one nearby so I could check how much it consumes, but this ps/2 keyboard seems to draw 200mA.
      The old article discussed that you could generate 0.1W at typing 10 keypresses at 1sec, which sounds quite much, unless you're writing something long that takes alot of keyboard pushes.
      But imagine some of that power being stored in capacitors and later when capacitors are full, they're used to charge the batteries in the keyboard. It could extend the battery life for days.

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    5. Re:Old idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which should be obsolete offcourse. Since those things for bicycle -lights were invented like 90 years ago.

      It shouldn't be possible to patent a thing that has already an everyday use and so on, but US patent office never stops amaze me. Anyway, in days of their existence they have denied few hundred patents, and validated millions.

      Somebody has even patented most of our DNA/RNA without asking any of us anything about it. I'm curiously waiting somebody to claim patent over breathing and stating charging license fees on that one. Patents are from hell.

    6. Re:Old idea by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well.. if it the device was REALLY power efficient.

      though, even then.. solar cell on it's surface might do a better job.

      anyways.. there's been crank-chargers for mobile phones for several years on the market already. using one to power an ipod would be pretty straightforward mod.

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    7. Re:Old idea by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny

      There are ones even older than that, and they come with a monkey.

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    8. Re:Old idea by timeOday · · Score: 1
      though, even then.. solar cell on it's surface might do a better job.
      Interesting...

      I wonder if one could make a totally passive wireless keyboard with RFID-like technology? It could change its signature with each key pressed, then the computer would poll it at 1KHz or so.

    9. Re:Old idea by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is there a patent on a piezoelectric version, too? It's pretty obvious, but so is generating power by pressing keys on a keyboard. It's also fairly useless, or someone would be doing it. Piezoelectric generation, on the other hand, could actually be useful and not have the serious downsides involved with packing a keyboard with magnets.

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    10. Re:Old idea by statusbar · · Score: 1

      Stick a standard RFID underneath each key cap. Have shielding underneath the key cap so the rfid is unscannable when the key is pressed!

      How many rfid's can you have in a small area at once?

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    11. Re:Old idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the majority of scientists, hell has not been proven to exist. Please revise your terminology to reflect only provable potential sources of patents.

  2. Heard of it already by deutschemonte · · Score: 5, Informative

    I heard of this like 2 years ago (or more) for cell phones. They had a charger that you could crank by hand, a mini solar charger you could put on your dashboard or roof of your car, and a fan that sat on the outside of your car. Admittedly I don't remember the company, but this is really old news.

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    1. Re:Heard of it already by cmosses · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What would be the point of a mini solar charger in a car? Just plug it into the car's system.

    2. Re:Heard of it already by The+Dobber · · Score: 1


      Your name wouldn't be Mr. Obvious, would it?

    3. Re:Heard of it already by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      The hand chargers are really popular at outdoor festivals - there's little access to power so you see people recharhing their phones using them.

    4. Re:Heard of it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's Mr Stupid. The car is out of gas and its battery is flat.

    5. Re:Heard of it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the tires are dead

  3. not really a post by whatsup_will · · Score: 2, Informative

    come on, this is a bit nifty, but not slashdot material, this should be on hackaday not on slashdot.

  4. another use! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    so, there could be new ways to power porn-visual devices, eh?

    1. Re:another use! by kamapuaa · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't want to think what sort of repetitive mechanical hand motion would be used to power such a device.

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    2. Re:another use! by dingo · · Score: 5, Funny

      All our power problems would be solved with 200 teenage boys.

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    3. Re:another use! by boomgopher · · Score: 1

      This gives a whole new dimension for people with Mac fetishes....

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    4. Re:another use! by nick8325 · · Score: 0

      That's not even a haiku! Haikus have a syllable structure of 5-7-5 - i.e. 5 syllables in the first line, 7 in the second and 5 in the third.

    5. Re:another use! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn you and your rules, damn you all.

    6. Re:another use! by Synbiosis · · Score: 1

      All our power problems would be solved with 200 teenage boys.

      Or five slashdotters.

  5. What? by rhennigan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    press a key or open your or phone laptop

    What the heck are you even talking about?

    1. Re:What? by rokzy · · Score: 0, Redundant

      it's like a game of limbo to the 'editors'

    2. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You're talking about the exact wording of the article (which doesn't make sense) and you get moderated "Offtopic". Brilliant.

    3. Re:What? by swordfishBob · · Score: 0, Troll

      I think the energy exerted in using a "bag phone" is considerable. You remember, mobiles before they were pocket-sized? Laptop phones really...

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    4. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were marked off-topic because you didn't write your post in broken English.

      Anyway, this is hardly innovative. My roommate has been practicing cranking up his middle finger for a while now.

    5. Re:What? by nick8325 · · Score: 0

      They must be writing in Lisp again.

    6. Re:What? by Stargoose · · Score: 1
      press a key or open your or phone laptop

      Hee hee. I don't think I've ever seen anyone trying to use Polish notation in English.

      ... open your v(phone, laptop)
    7. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know... I've only seen phone desktops

  6. Done before, but still cool by StratoChief66 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know its been done before, but I've never seen a laptop with click powering, I would find this useful as the mashing of the keyboard I do when the battery runs out would actually be productive. :) Plus, this is especially cool in the case of an iPod. Think about it, fill it and its good, forever. No pluggin in for power, just a little crank once in a while and shes good! I would be more impressed with movement power, like those expensive watches. Don't even need to remember to crank, just to stay alive! I didn't RTFA, but these are my thoughts.

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    1. Re:Done before, but still cool by eobanb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But think about how much more power an iPod or laptop, or even a phone uses compared to a watch. A watch uses hardly any power at all. It has to move a little dial around very slowly over the course of the day, whereas the iPod has electrostatic controls, a backlight, a hard drive, volatile memory, a powered line out jack...all of these things, especially combined, use up a lot of power. It's a nice idea, but there's simply no way that an iPod could power itself by movement alone, nor with a hand crank (unless you wanted to crank a good part of the time). Consumers just wouldn't respond well to it.

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    2. Re:Done before, but still cool by kanweg · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is about the iPod shuffle, which has no
      - backlight because it has no display.
      - hard drive but a static memory chip (pay attention: this is what introduced the rumor that music from an iPod shuffle contained static).

      The size of the battery could be smaller to accommodate for the power-generating mechanism. Weight and size of the mechanism are less of a problem than in a watch.

      Motion powered flashlights exist.

      I still can't exclude that the idea is feasible.

      Bert

    3. Re:Done before, but still cool by sholden · · Score: 1

      A static memory chip?

      I thought Apple had given up using expensive parts when cheap ones are good enough (SCSI vs IDE for example). Last time I bought SRAM chips they were $4 for 32KB, but they were DIP, the SOP version was only $1 - and that's Australian dollars too. You must get such good prices when you buy in bulk...

      It must suck when the battery runs out of charge and you lose all your songs.

      Why wouldn't they use flash memory like everyone else?

    4. Re:Done before, but still cool by fbjon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But the shake/use ratio for those flashlights is quite low, and might be worse for an iPod. However, a Shuffle for jogging might be a good idea. How about a pedometer combined with a iPod shuffle?

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    5. Re:Done before, but still cool by AndrewTL · · Score: 1

      I can see this being a whole new way to speed your typing skills (this reply was typed at 200wpm to keep the laptop from turning off)

    6. Re:Done before, but still cool by krunk4ever · · Score: 0

      i would think the damage u cause to a laptop by mashing the keyboard to just get the extra power would not be smart. laptop keyboards are very delicate. and often times you see someone's laptop with a broken key or two. imagine losing an important key such as the left ctrl, alt, or one of the more often used alphabets.

      on the other hand, if you can just bring a crank (hidden inside your power adapter or under your laptop) pull it out and start cranking, i feel this will give you more power in less time.

      of course, then you wont be able to have a valid reason to mash your keyboard ;p

    7. Re:Done before, but still cool by kanweg · · Score: 1

      Oops, didn't pass my nerd exam with a 100 score, and again it shows. Flahs memory it is: http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/specs.html

      Bert

    8. Re:Done before, but still cool by sholden · · Score: 1

      So how did anyone in the world get "flash memory" and "static in the music" confused?

    9. Re:Done before, but still cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good-bye dead batteries, hello carpal tunnel syndrome!

  7. Even Better Idea... by jpiggot · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'll be much more impressed when my old fashioned butter churn can store up to 12 hours of music AND play them in random order.

    THEN BREAKFAST WILL BE COMPLETE !!! MWAHAHAHAHA !!

  8. Whole new meaning by a_greer2005 · · Score: 1
    Gives a whole new meaning to "crank it up"

    1. Re:Whole new meaning by mickyflynn · · Score: 1

      That phrase probably came from the old hand-cramed gramaphone (why the music awards are called "grammys"), and is actually probably the old meaning which was lost after electric powered turn tables and hi-fi stereos became the order of the day.

  9. Hmph... by mako1138 · · Score: 1

    ... it would be nice to get some info on what exactly is being used in the circuit, but it seems pretty simple to me. You can see a vreg chip behind the alligator clips. My guess is the venerable 7805. The generator therefore has to supply upwards of 6V for dropout headroom. You'd probably want to add a couple of filter caps before and after the vreg too.

    1. Re:Hmph... by FatTux · · Score: 1

      7805's work reliably with at least 7V input, and are quite old now. There are more modern regulators rated "low-dropout" that require less than 1V above their nominal output voltage. I'd pick one of the latter for such a project, rather than a 7805.

  10. Puns by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 5, Funny

    That really turns my crank.

    I don't mean to be an old crank, but I really don't think my pockets will fit this.

    When you have to make your own power, you're less inclined to crank up the volume on that iPod shuffle.

    The only problem is you can only listen to alternative music on it.

    I'll need someone to give me a hand with this.

    Looks like a fine prodcut, but how much will they charge?

    Hopefully no more than an arm and a leg! I'll need at least one arm.

    No fair, it's my turn!

    Does this mean the iPod shuffle uses the ARM processor?

    Tip your waitresses folks, they're good people! Try the buffet! I'll be here all week!

  11. Obligatory sticker reference by millwall · · Score: 1

    Don't forget!! For this to work, you first need to place a special sticker on the Ipod Shuffle!

  12. Now all he needs to do is... by Yaztromo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now all the inventor needs to do is to invent some sort of electric machine that will turn the crank for you. You could take a motor, and put it in some sort of project box, with some wires coming out of it to plug into the wall, and some sort of arm to turn the crank on the cranking machine...then when you want to recharge your iPod Shuffle, plug it into the crank, and mate the crank with the crank motor, and then plug the mottor into the wall. Then you have the benefits of hand-cranking, without all the manual labour.

    Genius! I'm going to go an apply for a patent on this one for sure!

    Yaz.

    1. Re:Now all he needs to do is... by skingers6894 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm pretty sure Wile E Coyote or at least someone at ACME has prior art on this...

    2. Re:Now all he needs to do is... by zalas · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the solar-powered (batteryless) flashlight from the Bond spoof From Beijing, with Love and the suitcase that turns into a spy-observation chair.

    3. Re:Now all he needs to do is... by Tandoori+Haggis · · Score: 1

      Funnily enough there is an acme.com

      http://www.acme.com/
      http://www.acme.com/other_ acmes.html

      ACME Laboratories
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    4. Re:Now all he needs to do is... by foobsr · · Score: 1

      Funnily enough there is an acme.com

      Apparently Captain Klutz was fighting in vain?

      CC.

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    5. Re:Now all he needs to do is... by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are solar powered streetlights in Italy.

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  13. Polish Notation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    or phone laptop

    I know Slashdot's a geeky site but when we're speaking in English, could we please make an effort to avoid Polish Notation? A correct rendering of the above would be "phone or laptop" :-)

    Cheers,
    AC

    1. Re:Polish Notation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am, hey I Polish, insensitive you clod!

  14. "Charging the iPod" by mhotchin · · Score: 5, Funny

    "What are you *doing*?"

    "I'm, uh, charging my iPod. Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket..."

    1. Re:"Charging the iPod" by Wes+Janson · · Score: 1

      Great, now we have *another* euphemism for jacking off. Way to go, Slashdot!

  15. Do the editors read slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I swear, if "Zonk" actually read that submission, he must have been on crack to miss the errors. I mean, come on:

    "In one for the first article ..."

    and

    "...press a key or open your or phone laptop."

    So, in conclusion, either Zonk doesn't read the submissions or he is an idiot ... or maybe both.

    1. Re:Do the editors read slashdot? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      I swear, if "Zonk" actually read that submission, he must have been on crack to miss the errors. I mean, come on:
      "In one for the first article ..."
      and
      "...press a key or open your or phone laptop."
      So, in conclusion, either Zonk doesn't read the submissions or he is an idiot ... or maybe both.


      He didn't just fuck up the grammar, he can't spell either:
      O'reilly [O'Reilly]
      buiding [building]
      Really, how hard is it to spellcheck a paragraph?

      The last few weeks seem to have set new lows. Interminable dupes, stupid hoax stories they promote without any checking, even on the same page they lift them from (Firefox = spyware); on top of worsening spelling and garbled sentences, poor grammar, sensationalised and bogus editorial comments and headlines.... They have a huge momentum from the readers who submit stories and comments, and an admittedly good moderation system to promote worthwhile comments; but the editors themselves obviously don't give a shit about what they personally contribute any more.

    2. Re:Do the editors read slashdot? by edittard · · Score: 0

      Michael used to be the worst offender, but ironically it's got worse since he ... er ... left.

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  16. Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone with a freshman's level circuits class knows this is lame.

  17. Spring loaded mechanical regulation by otri_dev · · Score: 1

    Now all the guy needs is a spring loaded crank, with self regulating unwinding. I seem to recall a mechanical crank for an emergency radio/light that takes a few turns, but unwinds with regulation depending on the power requirements of the device.

    This would be particularly neat if the guy could make a USB dock with one of these mechanically regulated spring loaded cranks.

    AFAIK humans are really bad at regulating their power output, electrochemical (super-capacitors/batteries) storage is very inefficient, but electromechanical (spring loaded) storage is exceedingly efficient. Chock one up for the clock-work makers of old!

  18. Sorry but this won't work so well by yudan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We all know that LiON batteries have limited recharge cycles (~1000). Imagine that you will open doors four times per day, then your iPod Shuffle will die in one year. Keep in mind the operating cost....

    1. Re:Sorry but this won't work so well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all know that LiON batteries have limited recharge cycles (~1000)

      Plus, LiON batteries will bite your fucking arm off. (-_^)

  19. This is obviously targeted to slashdotters by Dragon+Rojo · · Score: 0

    Just imagine all the energy they have in their right hands(left for southpaws).

    We could send several shuttles to mars with all that energy

  20. Makezine is fast becoming by BillsPetMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    a subscription-based slashdot without the herd mentality and GNAA trolls.

    Seriously, between the BBC news site and Makezine there's nearly everything slashdot story contributors deep link to.

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    1. Re:Makezine is fast becoming by girliezine · · Score: 1

      thanks for "makezine.com", very interesting. Apropos "zine": http://www.myblog.de/girliezine

    2. Re:Makezine is fast becoming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wha ... ? Are ... ? You .... ? talking about?

    3. Re:Makezine is fast becoming by edittard · · Score: 0
      Seriously, between the BBC news site and Makezine there's nearly everything slashdot story contributors deep link to.
      That is a totally sweeping generalisation which, like all such statements, is completely inaccurate.

      For a start, you missed off The Economist and The Register.

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  21. Can we say Trevor Baylis here? by DrogMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nothing new. Move along. Clockwork Radio The man himself

  22. Cell phones by dj245 · · Score: 1
    Imagine getting a little power charge every time you press a key or open your or phone laptop.

    I know cell phones are getting ridiculously multipurpose lately but thats just silly.

    Nobody has a head big enough to put their ear at the top of the screen and their mouth on the touchpad.

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  23. Bag of liquid? by chendo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Instead of a crank, why doesn't someone get two balloon-like objects, fill one up with liquid, then stick them together with a turbine thing in the part that connects the two? Then, to generate power, simply squeeze the balloon containing the liquid, then repeat for the other one. Combined with a capacitator of some sort, it should be a faster way to generate power...

    Or so I think.

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    1. Re:Bag of liquid? by Walker_Boh_Druid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, you expect people to carry around bags of liquid? Im sure that in theory this would be a great idea that would work well, but I just don't think that people will carry bags of liquid with them wherever they go. A nice idea, but one that i dont think would ever work.

    2. Re:Bag of liquid? by chendo · · Score: 2, Funny

      It doesn't have to be massive, can be as small as a squeezeball, but the larger it is, the more power it'll make. Until you get to the size of an elephant's ass, that is.

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  24. What about ergometers and crosstrainers? by Lars+-1 · · Score: 1

    I have one. I sometimes wonder if this could power the tv I'm watching when I'm using it.

    1. Re:What about ergometers and crosstrainers? by RenaissanceGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Minnesota Science Museum has a hands-on section that, when I was a kid, included an exercise-bike that was connected to an electric generator that generated more electricity the faster that you pedaled. In front of the bike was a series of electrical loads: a light bulb, a radio, a black-and-white TV and a color TV; that each turned on in turn as the person pedaling reached the necessary output to drive the device in question. The black-and-white TV was a workout, but the color TV could only be turned on by a few of the most athletic students in my class (of 20), and then only for less than a minute at a time. (and this was only a 13" TV!)

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  25. More Interesting Invention by eraser.cpp · · Score: 4, Funny

    To hell with the IPod hand recharger, I want to know more about this 'phone laptop'.

    1. Re:More Interesting Invention by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      They have GSM/GPRS cards for laptops and they have phones which can run arbitrary programs and have pointing devices and qwerty keyboards. I'd say that about sums it up. The problem with charging batteries from this kind of stuff is that modern batteries are picky about how they are charged and you would have to charge something else until you had enough power to charge the battery. This will be useful someday, perhaps with regenerating fuel cell power or something, but I don't think it's going to bear much fruit now.

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  26. Motorola Freecharge by maidhc · · Score: 2, Interesting
  27. That's not how it works by blorg · · Score: 3, Informative

    The number of recharge cycles is measured on a nominal 'deep' discharge/recharge cycle. Partial top-ups and discharges don't count as a full cycle, and are recommended with LiIon due to the lack of a 'memory effect.' Apple have a good page explaining this.

    The greater problem with LiIon is that they loose about 20% capacity per year from the date of manufacture, irrespective of whether they are used or not.

    1. Re:That's not how it works by moonbender · · Score: 2, Informative

      And Wikipedia has a good page explaining the memory effect. Necessary reading for future communications satellite owners.

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  28. Ahh.. by kristopher · · Score: 2, Funny

    So that's what the other hand is for..

  29. Is this the... by morzel · · Score: 2, Funny

    breast option?

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    1. Re:Is this the... by chendo · · Score: 1

      I actually forgot to mention the whole 'powered by sexual frustration thing'. But there you go.

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  30. woah, kid. by imag0 · · Score: 1

    Instead of a crank, why doesn't someone get two balloon-like objects..

    Looks like someone is still thinking about the current poll

    heh ;-)

  31. Gizmodo Dupe (again) by Blue_Nile · · Score: 1

    http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/ipod /handcranked-ipod-shuffle-034884.php Whats happening to Slashdot? If I wanted to read day old gizmodo entries I'd go to gizmodo!

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  32. Is the battery life that bad? by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is the battery life that bad that you actually need to recharge it by hand. My MiniDisc goes 50 hours on a single AA, and it has moving parts. It's amazing how long the battery lasts.

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    1. Re:Is the battery life that bad? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well.

      imagine being out of reach of a mains socket for a week or two. that's where it comes handy(or if you just simply forget to charge your ipod for said trip).

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  33. DS by bitkari · · Score: 1

    Please never add this technology to my Nintendo DS.

    I only ever stop playing it when the battery runs low, and if it's powered by my frantic button mashing, then it's entirely likely that *I* will be the first device to run out of power.

  34. not a full charge cycle by chasingporsches · · Score: 2, Informative

    ideally in ideal circumstances on an ideal day when everything is perfect in the world, new batteries such as those in the ipod and laptops can be partially charged all the time and work fine. however, that's the ideal theoretical situation, and doesn't really happen. most ipod users will have their battery crap out after a year to a year and a half mainly because of partial charges, because you have to recalibrate it which few do. charging a cell phone when you open it or whatever might be an immediate payoff... but not long term when you have to buy a new battery.

    1. Re:not a full charge cycle by prichardson · · Score: 1

      Lithium Ion batteries, such as those found in the iPod and most laptops, DO NOT HAVE MEMORY.

      Someone above posted a relevant page at Apple.

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    2. Re:not a full charge cycle by chasingporsches · · Score: 1

      the whitepapers also say apple ipods and laptops have x amount of usage hours on a full charge too. regardless of what your technical specs say, the reason why my ipod won't run for more than 45 minutes is because i left it on the dock the whole time and it kept doing partial charges. it has nothing to do with memory. it wears the battery out, as batteries have a limited number of charge cycles.

  35. as previously seen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on Boing Boing... two days ago... that happens alot around here eh?

  36. hand crank practically useless by blackest_k · · Score: 1

    I picked up a little hand crank charger for a mobile phone and it works yes
    but it takes at least 10 minutes cranking for 2 minutes phone on time.

    nice toy but to all intents a waste of time and a little money

    on the otherhand a small wind generator supplying a lead acid battery that you could later hook up to your battery powered device. not such a bad idea, mount it in your garden, balcony doubles as a bird scarer. might even be able to power your garden lights too.
    or use it to charge a spare battery pack or two.

    someone must be making something like this.

    1. Re:hand crank practically useless by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      the hand crank charger is really only useful for emergency backup, as such it's pretty good.

      or if one was on a long hike, i think that i could crank the crank for 20 minutes to read the news(from web).

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    2. Re:hand crank practically useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said. Grandparent is clearly a fucktard.

    3. Re:hand crank practically useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was staying in a hostel somewhere and late at night someone was desparately trying to phone their mother to say "my plane gets in at 10am please meet me at the airport". But it seemed that however long they wound for it was never enough to last beyond "hello mum...".

      Worst was the noise that it made while winding. It was a continuous loud zzzz-zzzz-zzzz-zzzz noise. This was late at night in a hostel dormitory!

  37. Trevor Bayliss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No purpose or usefulness?
    Tell that to Trevor Bayliss, inventor of
    the wind-up radio for Third World countries.

    Used in Africa where people can't afford batteries.
    http://www.design-technology.info/inve ntors/page8. htm
    And it is common to find wind-up torches in UK
    shops.

  38. "Free" Power - Thinking way too small here, guys by usurper_ii · · Score: 1

    Imagine if everytime you hit a speed bump in a mall parking lot or at a toll booth gate, etc., the "bump" depressed just enough to turn a generator and then reset for the next car. Imagine how much electricity could be generated if one of these were placed in the right spot on a California road, with a *sea* of cars moving...much more regularly than the wind and easier to harness than the tides.

    I realize there are limitations to these "speed bumps," because they could only be placed where a vehicle was going fairly slow...but heck, isn't that what speed bumps are for?

    Anyone want to start a company and get some VC? Heck, someone might hit the lotto just by patenting this and selling the patent to a power company (who would really probably want this to never see the light of day).

    Usurper_ii

  39. Shock therapy by djward · · Score: 1

    Imagine getting a little power charge every time you press a key or open your phone or laptop.

    That'll teach you to press a key or open your phone or laptop.

  40. Re:"Free" Power - Thinking way too small here, guy by BrianGa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And imagine all the energy wasted by deceleration/acceleration of the vehicles you are targeting...not to mention wear and tear on said vehicles. Probably not even close to making it worthwhile.

  41. This is all well and good... by cosmic_0x526179 · · Score: 1

    But when can I get one of those little bicycle light generators with the proper interface to recharge the shuffle ? Heck, with a different interface, I could recharge the cell phone at the same time.

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  42. What is this, the iPod Hype website? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To listen to Slashdot, you'd swear that the only MP3 player in existance is the fucking iPod. Lots of us don't buy in to Apple's MP3 players.

    How about some alternate coverage for a change? Neuros completely open sourced their firmware. There are people out there already making their own builds and adding on their own features (like FLAC, file browsers, and cool features like "car mode" which will power down the device when you shut your car off).

    But heck, here on slashdot it's iPod 24/7. Apple monopoly == good, Microsoft monopoly == bad, right?

  43. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  44. portable chargers by cykamos · · Score: 1

    in japan, you can buy little AA battery powered chargers at any conveinience shop. i'm surprised the rest of the world hasn't followed their lead.

    1. Re:portable chargers by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      So you're saying they have battery powered battery chargers? Am I the only one who sees a slight limitation with that?

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    2. Re:portable chargers by cykamos · · Score: 1

      i see no limitation in the conveinience of being able to charge your phone on the go, eliminates having to having to pack a plug in charger or miss calls because your battery has gone flat.

    3. Re:portable chargers by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      A plug-in charger is smaller and more economical than a battery pack with enough voltage to charge Li-Ion. Really! The one that came with my motorola phone is smaller than the phone, and the phone itself is a flip phone. It also works in multiple countries although you would need an adapter or some jumper wires and a disregard for fire codes to use it almost anywhere but the U.S.

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    4. Re:portable chargers by cykamos · · Score: 1

      and what happens when you're nowhere near an outlet to plug your charger into?

    5. Re:portable chargers by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yes, THAT is when you need the battery to battery charger. I was debunking all the other stated reasons, which are nonsense. The only reason to have such a thing is if you are not going to be near an outlet, and/or for emergencies. Of course, it might be wiser just to carry another battery. I bought an official motorola charger for my phone that will charge a second battery at the same time (it's also a data cradle.) They sell knockoffs like this too, but they weren't all that much cheaper. You can just carry an additional battery! You could also get a 12V solar panel and hook a car charger up to that.

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  45. Re:"Free" Power - Thinking way too small here, guy by usurper_ii · · Score: 1

    Gosh, you mean like the wear and tear on said vehicles EVERY TIME YOU HIT A SPEED BUMP. That's why you put them in the same places you would put a speed bump...where you would want someone to slow down anyway.

  46. Just imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..if the iAnus port was available for the Shuffle... Imagine getting a little power charge every time you pumped the iAnus port.

    1. Re:Just imagine... by Nrlll9 · · Score: 1

      lol if the shuffle can be charged while be used for female masturbation it would probably generate a lot of elextricity

  47. Re:Should be fun by game+kid · · Score: 1
    let me get this straight

    Well if you give youself said shuffle you may indeed get something else straight.

    Seriously, though, I love the idea; I have a deep hatred for "single-use" non-rechargeable batteries. I just wonder if the iPod explodes if it's mastu^H^H^H^H^Hcharged too much with this.

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  48. Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet another no substance Apple© Slashvertisement(TM).

    Come on, crank powered stuff isn't anything new, and doesn't warrant a story just because someone did it with an Apple branded mp3 player. In fact, the only reason this is getting on here is because it is another chance to plug an apple product, otherwise the submission would have been ignored.

    Kind of like that one story, with title about downloading something(it was the universe or something science related) to an Apple branded mp3 player when you could have done that with any mp3 playing device.

  49. Another retread by Forthan+Red · · Score: 1

    Is slashdot becoming the Stuff That Was Posted On BoingBoing Days Ago site?

  50. Reverse polish notation by CHiRd · · Score: 1

    Imagine getting a little power charge every time you press a key or open your or phone laptop.

    Do we talk in reverse polish notation nowadays?