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Instant Buildings - Just Add Water

lawrencekhoo writes "Wired has an article about the newly invented Building in a Bag. The structure is made from cement impregnated fabic, that is sealed in an easily transportable plastic bag. You literally just add water, and then inflate. Twelve hours later, you have a ready to use building. Possible uses include shelter for disaster areas, and instant field hospitals."

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  1. Time to advance. by dauthur · · Score: 4, Funny

    This sounds like the building process from the Jetsons. Maybe now we can move on from the trailer homes, manufactured homes and traditional building and move onto "Ziplock Construction Co."

    1. Re:Time to advance. by thepotoo · · Score: 2

      No. I'd bet that this will replace only temporary shelters, like the ones soldiers build, and Red Cross aid. But, they haven't even got a patent yet... Anyway, who the hell wants to live in a giant egg-shaped thing? Not to mention thin walls...read TFA.

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    2. Re:Time to advance. by idlake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that much of the US still builds by nailing drywall and siding to a bunch of wooden beams is not for a lack of new building techniques--it's simply still cheaper and easier, mostly simply because it's what everybody else does (=economies of scale).

    3. Re:Time to advance. by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be 2k$ impromptu shelters, either. There are factory-development methods out there for building custom homes. You can have machines cut and assemble almost arbitrary floor plans, and ship out prebuilt sections of the house to assemble on spot.

      Unfortunately, there's this stigma of "prefab housing" being small, low-quality, one-design "housing for the poor". It's kind of annoying seing such stereotypes standing in the way of progress to cheaper, higher quality housing. I mean, large buildings have been shifting a lot more to automated construction, and houses lend themselves even more readily to it because the sections are smaller and easier to transport.

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    4. Re:Time to advance. by idlake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, I agree, technically, it doesn't have to be. But if you try to buy or build a new home, you will find that, in reality, in the US, most of your choices for something average-to-nice come down to traditional construction. Furthermore, you'll have problems with resale value if you buy prefab.

    5. Re:Time to advance. by SunFan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unfortunately, there's this stigma of "prefab housing" being small, low-quality, one-design "housing for the poor".

      It all depends on the finishing contractor. Modular housing is built to the same standards as regular housing, but if you have a crappy contractor come in to do the finish work, you might as well have bought a trailer. Just like regular construction, you have to really stay on top of the process (e.g., visit the site, double check things after important milestones, etc.)

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    6. Re:Time to advance. by lezerno · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you live near Chicago check out this
      http://www.fieldmuseum.org/exhibits/housing_tempex hib.htm

    7. Re:Time to advance. by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problems with prefab housing are twofold, first and most importantly is that anything which is light enough to allow for economical transport of economically buildable subsections is going to be chinsy compared to a real timber and 3/4" plywood plus 3/4" hardwood floors. The second problem is that preparing the site and combining the pieces takes almost as much labor as rough framing an equivilant structure, and all of the labor besides the site prep and rough framing is done by skilled laborers that will charge about the same for their work whether it is done onsite or as part of assembling prefab blocks.

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    8. Re:Time to advance. by Fat+Cow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      www.yurtworks.com - an excellent, cheap, prefabbed house (cedar siding, no less)

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    9. Re:Time to advance. by xSauronx · · Score: 2, Interesting
      it also depends on the modular builder. i know two people who have bought modular homes recently and neither of them were impressive. my dad was one, and he had several doorways that didnt line up, electrical wiring not up to code, the roof pieces didnt line up at 4 different joints, the company had left out a multitidue of supplies they were supposed to provide to finish the house, among other things.

      My dad designed the house based on one of their plans, and every time hed change something hed note it and fax everything to the builder....and it took him 3 months to get them to note all his changes...and some of them didnt even make it to the final build. They were very helpful in *fixing* the problems, but when you're building a house like this, you should get it right the *first* time, not the second. For the record he bought his from Professional Building Systems.

      My aunt's friend built one, and the kitchen wasn't level on any counter, doorways were misaligned, the roof leaked (and *not* in places where the finishing crew was working on it like at joints, but in the middle of the roof) and some of the electrical outlets weren't even well secured as they should be. I do not know the name of the company that made his home.

      Builder is just as important as the finishing crew. If you're building a modular home, work with a company nearby that has done homes in your area that you can check out yourself, or talk with the owners about.

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    10. Re:Time to advance. by dtk13 · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is great!!! Now I can move out of my parents basement and have my own house!!!!

  2. but how..... by EmptyBuffalo · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, once I get my mother-in-law to go into the building, how do I get the whole thing back into the bag?

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    1. Re:but how..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're funny, but you're raising a valid point. They're thinking of using this for shelter for disaster areas, and instant field hospitals... Personally I think tents are better for these purposes, since you can actually dismantle them and reuse them in the future. Why would you for instance want to smack up 10,000 of these in a disaster area, just to have to tear them down a couple of months down the road?

    2. Re:but how..... by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      People will use them after the aid agencies leave. Probably not for themselves, mind you, but they'll find *some* use.

      I've seen several pictures of those mass-built concrete houses that various aid agencies have built in earthquake-hit parts of Iran to provide shelter and make it so that the locals won't get killed in the next quake. Nobody was living in any of them - instead, they used them to hold their livestock. Apparently they were a lot more uncomfortable to live in than traditional housing in the climate (in addition to being an eyesore).

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  3. I can see it all now... by telstar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thousands of refugees adding water and ingesting their "building in a bags" thinking they were MRE's.

    1. Re:I can see it all now... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thousands of refugees adding water and ingesting their "building in a bags" thinking they were MRE's.

      That's an easy fix - put the buildings in round packages and the MREs in square ones. What could possibly go wrong.

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    2. Re:I can see it all now... by Rii · · Score: 2, Funny

      Based on my MRE experience (chicken patty theoretically) I'd rather eat the concrete. Hand me a round one.

    3. Re:I can see it all now... by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd wager that the inflatable houses taste better while the MRE's can be used to make sturdier shelter.

  4. I have a "better" idea... or at least different by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If we're just talking about instant structures for specific needs, why not fiberglass? 3M makes a casting material (as in, for setting broken bones) that is fiberglass with a resin that is activated with water and sets very rapidly. Why not use something just like that? You can then spray it with an epoxy to make it watertight. It wouldn't be as rigid as a concrete structure, and you would have to anchor it somehow, but it would also be a whole hell of a lot lighter and easier to customize (by cutting holes in it with any kind of saw before you sprayed epoxy on it.)

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    1. Re:I have a "better" idea... or at least different by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Informative
      why not fiberglass?
      Fire? Last I looked, fibreglass burns. Nastily.

      Would make a good mother-in-law house, though - what better way to "cement" a relationship than with a load of flammable epoxy ...

    2. Re:I have a "better" idea... or at least different by Noose+For+A+Neck · · Score: 5, Informative
      Well, speaking as an engineering student, the main problem I can see with making a structure where all load-bearing components are strictly made out of fiberglass is that fiber-reinforced plastics (the catagory into which fiberglass and carbon fiber composites, among others, fall) are only really strong in tension, and even then, only along the axes parallel or close to parallel to the fiber orientations. If you add in compressive loads to the structure (as is sure to happen in any structure I can think of), the material's strength is dramatically reduced, meaning you either have to use a whole lot more material (and thus add more weight that the structure has to support) or switch materials.

      Concrete just happens to be very effective at handling compressive loads, and when reinforced with steel rebar or the like, can handle tensile loads in a reasonable manner as well. This is probably the reason that cement is used in lieu of epoxies and other plastics - it has better load-bearing characteristics under compression.

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    3. Re:I have a "better" idea... or at least different by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Wood burns too, quite hot I might add, but it doesn't stop us from building houses out of it.
      ... which is why walls and ceilings are covered in gyproc, sheetrock, plasterboard, etc.

      Also, when wood is under compression, it's a LOT harder to ignite. Take a look at any older (+75 years) building after a fire - the wood main beams will be charred, but probably not burnt through, whereas steel beams would have buckled under the heat.

      Also, when fibreglass resin burns, the resulting fumes are more toxic.

    4. Re:I have a "better" idea... or at least different by wwwillem · · Score: 4, Informative
      Also, when wood is under compression, it's a LOT harder to ignite. Take a look at any older (+75 years) building after a fire - the wood main beams will be charred

      Your observation is right, but the reason is different. When a thick beam starts to burn, the charcoal that forms itself on the outside will start to protect the inner wood from burning, as soon as it is more then 5 cm / 2 inches thich. Charcoal is funny enough a fire retardent.

      As an example, in most (probably all) countries, steel structures must be protected against fire, which is normally done with plaster, concrete, etc. However, at least in Holland, the building code allows you to wrap the steel in 5 or more cm of wood instead.

      So back to your 75+ year old house. What protects those beams against the fire is the fact that the pieces of wood used are much thicker than the current 2x6 studs. Or the current "construction beams" that are just strips of plywood with some wood laminated at the ends.

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  5. A housing solution for slashdotters by The+I+Shing · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, I can move out of my parents' basement!

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    1. Re:A housing solution for slashdotters by DustMagnet · · Score: 4, Funny
      Yea, but it might block wifi?!?!

      I'm sad to say my first reaction to reading this, "No, it won't. Didn't you read the article." This stuff is very thin and once dry it wouldn't absorb much RF. It only took another second for me to realize it was a joke. Anyway, don't most Slashdotters want to block all RF from leaving their domicile? If I want to receive RF, I'll put up a Pringles can.

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  6. reminds me of a t-shirt I once had.... by wileycoyoteacme · · Score: 5, Funny

    Instant asshole, just add alcohol

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  7. Great! by biggerboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    An inflatable building to house my inflatable...er...friend.

  8. Somewhere... by Penguinshit · · Score: 4, Funny


    ..Dr. Schlock just got a hard-on...

  9. Transportable? by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, ok, cool for emergencies. But I won't be carrying one on my back anytime soon, cause I'm sure it weight a ton, literally :)

    Do they come in multiple flavors, too?

    1. Re:Transportable? by EmptyBuffalo · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the article somewhere around 500 lbs actually. Not bad at all!

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  10. What do you add... by EmptyBuffalo · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...to get your cement building to grow a door?

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  11. One drawback... by bpuli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While the product is innovative and interesting, the comparison (cost-wise) with other "portable" structures is not correct. This looks to be (from the article) a non-portable semi-permanent structure.

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    1. Re:One drawback... by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The comparison with "portable" buildings is correct because they are the available alternative for the proposed uses.

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  12. why the concrete? by qwasty · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why not dispense with the concrete and just make it inflatable? I doubt the concrete will make it all that much more permanent of a shelter than it would otherwise be. Besides, if it's good enough for space, it's good enough as a temporary shelter. Check out the inflatable space habitats

    1. Re:why the concrete? by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever pop a hole in a ballon?
      Ever pop a hole in a sidewalk?

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    2. Re:why the concrete? by qwasty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, being inflatable doesn't imply it needs lots of pressure. Also, the inventors of the concrete version obviously intended it to be a glorified medical tent. Tents, hospitals, and clean rooms all utilize positive internal pressure to keep microbes and dust out. On top of that, the inflatable structure I would envision, would have inflatable WALLS, not necessarily an inflatable interior, though, for medical purposes, positive pressure is a plus.

    3. Re:why the concrete? by Noose+For+A+Neck · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I would imagine in space you will be entering and exiting the structure a whole lot less than you would at 1 atm of air. Mechanisms for controlling pressure loss and for keeping pressure above ambient have to be taken into consideration. These are devices that will likely make the structure less portable.

      Which isn't to say that positive internal air pressure isn't an integral part of some earth-bound structures. Several large sports domes (the Carrier Dome in Syracuse, NY, for example) use positive internal pressure to keep the roofs inflated. But, of course, these structures are quite a bit more permanent than the sort of "field hospital" structures being discussed in the article.

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  13. Re:Pretty soon by op12 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've always thought about marketing an empty box that says "Dehydrated water...just add water!"

    Hey, if people will pay for water in bottles, who knows :)

  14. Doorways? by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is my question, how do you get in?

    1. Re:Doorways? by rgmoore · · Score: 2, Informative

      This should be easy. The building is made of three components: an inner airtight layer, cloth, and concrete in the cloth. To make a door, you'd just have a section in which the inner layer wasn't covered by the cloth and concrete. You'd still be able to inflate the building, and when the concrete set you could cut through the uncovered inner layer with a knife to make a doorway.

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  15. How much if manufactured in China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How much do you reckon the instant building would cost if it was manufactured in China?

    I am thinking it would be a great way to help poor people in Third World countries have a cheap roof over their heads that is actually high quality. I can imagine a slum in Mumbai filled with thousands of these instant buildings. What are the economics and advantages of an instant building as replacement for flimsy shelters in slums across the world?

  16. Military applications by RoTNCoRE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The military will be all over this. Think about airdropping an advance team in some clearing, give them 12 hours, and they have a defendable base with concrete walls. Portable bunker. If it could be adapted to making other shapes of concrete surfaces, drop a large number of them, and make a concrete landing strip. Rapid deployment operations and base fortification would have days cut off their time.

    1. Re:Military applications by byronblue · · Score: 3, Funny

      yeah this would work great for a Middle-East or an African deployment where military operations are most likely to take place and where water is plentiful. I guess the soldiers could all drink a boat load of water and just piss in the thing when they arrive.

    2. Re:Military applications by EvilIdler · · Score: 4, Funny

      This also means we're one step closer to the fast building of today's
      real-time strategy games :)

  17. Just use a LaserJet recycle label by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    Take one of those handy pre-paid UPS labels that come with HP LaserJet toner cartridges and slap it on that puppy when you are done.


    Works like a charm.


    I've used it to get rid of old car batteries too!

  18. I don't think the military needs this by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Interesting
    In a world with millions of refugees, numerous war zones and huge areas devastated by natural disaster, aid agencies and militaries have long needed a way to quickly erect shelters on demand.

    "agencies" maybe, but the military already has a way to erect shelters quickly: lots and lots of man power. Ever watched how quickly soldiers setup and take down a camp?

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  19. Spelling and grammar troll by WillerZ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sorry, but I can't help myself...

    The English language has some rules about the correct placement of commas in a sentence. It's not a case of "Instant grammar just, add commas!!!1"

    May I take this opportunity to recommend Lynne Truss's "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" to the author of the above summary?

    Oh, and the word you were looking for was F-A-B-R-I-C, fabric; not fabic. Fabic sounds like an eastern-european football player.

    </rant>

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    1. Re:Spelling and grammar troll by WillerZ · · Score: 2, Informative
      I realise that the above isn't very constructive; here's what the summary should have said:

      Wired has an article about the newly invented Building in a Bag. Just add water and inflate: Twelve hours later you'll have a ready to use building. This is ideal for use where tents are too flimsy and conventional buildings are too unwieldy.
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    2. Re:Spelling and grammar troll by 808140 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree with the spirit of what you're trying to say -- most native English speakers have never seriously tried learning another language and have no appreciation for how difficult it is.

      However, as someone who speaks 4 languages, may I say that I very much appreciate grammar nazis. Of course it depends on the delivery -- if the post simply ridicules the parent's english and makes no attempt to correct or explain his mistakes, then it is worth less than the space it takes up. If, however, the delivery is abrupt (or even rude) but corrects the mistake and (perhaps more importantly) explains the rationale behind the grammatical rule in question, it is, quite simply, invaluable. Of course, if they can do all that and not be rude, that's a plus -- but this is Slashdot, let's not set our standards too high.

      The truth is that Americans, Brits and Aussies are far, far too polite. The result is that people who live in one of those countries can speak broken English for their entire stay and never be told by any of the smiling natives that they're speaking like a retard. The result? Your year or two abroad doesn't help your English anywhere near as much as you hoped it would.

      Now, take France. The French will happily tell you, in no uncertain terms, and to your face, that you are butchering their language. They will correct you, often impatiently, and act as if you're a retard for not speaking correctly. This is considered "rude" by many people, but you know what? I have met a few Americans/Brits that have lived in France for a few years, and they speak nearly perfect French (I am a natively bilingual in French and English). I mean they have good pronunciation, good grammar (French grammar is reasonably difficult), and are conversationally adept.

      Now it may be that I just had the fortune of meeting a few people that were graced with unusual linguistic talent. It may be that the numerous people I've met that lived in the US, for example, for a few years, just couldn't learn English because they truly were retarded. But I think there's more to it than that.

      Grammar nazis provide an invaluable service, especially to ESL learners. They most annoy native speakers, who feel that their English is adequate (though it most often is not) and find a GN's pedantic attention to detail obnoxious.

      If you are a non-native speaker, you should thank English speakers that are direct enough to correct your English -- you should not harbour any assumption whatsoever that your English is correct or adequate, no matter how long you've been studying it, and you should take any knowledgeable correction as someone helping you take one more step towards complete, native-level fluency.

      I always tell friends whose language I cannot speak too well to correct me anytime I make a mistake, and to not be concerned with my feelings -- after all, I know I'm not stupid. The favour they do me is invaluable when they tell me that I've made a mistake -- they offer me the opportunity to not make that same mistake again.

  20. *Second* prize? by Futaba-chan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Supposedly, the building-in-a-bag won second prize in the Cement Association contest that it was originally designed as an entry for. I'd love to see what the winner came up with....

    1. Re:*Second* prize? by finnhart · · Score: 5, Informative

      I know parent is modded funny, but I wondered the same thing. From the British Cement Association site:

      First prize of £3,000 went to Il Hoon Roh for his reinforced concrete organic modular system that impressed the judges for its visually exciting construction potential. The second prize of £2,000 was awarded to Peter Brewin and Will Crawford for their joint entry of portable emergency concrete tents. The humanitarian potential of this entry was very evident. Phoebe Cummings and Stine Vesperson were awarded the third prize of £1,000 for their delicate pieces that combined lace with concrete. The effect gave concrete, usually seen to be a robust material, a more soft and fragile character.

  21. bah! by agent0range_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would hardly consider '12 hours' to be 'instant.'

  22. This product will soon be acquired by Acme Co. by Travoltus · · Score: 4, Funny

    One of their first customers will be Wile E Coyote.

    Mark my words! :)

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  23. Obligatory by op12 · · Score: 3, Funny

    What also floats in water?

    Bread! Apples! Uh, very small rocks!

  24. fabic by eclectro · · Score: 2, Funny


    No thanks. I will stick with bicks and concete.

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  25. technique used for several decades now by idlake · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hard-shelled structures created from inflatable templates are actually quite common. Usually, they are made by spraying concrete or polymer onto the inflatable shell. Alternatively, you first pour on the concrete, then inflate (it takes fairly little pressure to do so). The lining is some combination of fabric and water/air-proof plastic. Some of the templates are reusable, others become part of the structure.

    Have a look at Domtec and Binishells.

    1. Re:technique used for several decades now by Mal-2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Problem with the Binishell is that it looks like a half-buried helmet. I can imagine a brigade of stormtroopers standing around it, singing "Share and Enjoy".

      The Domtec construction isn't all that bad, but it can't be done with just a fire hose. If you're hundreds or thousands of miles from the nearest contractor, you need something that will do that work for you.

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  26. Re:Quite a haul by Aloekak · · Score: 3, Funny

    Imagine this:

    You're in the jungle (US Army) and you're carrying your 500lb base camp on your shoulders. With 30 miles of walking remaining, it starts to rain...

    Who the hell cares...you can carry 500lbs!!11

  27. Yes this will work wonders in disasters by [cx] · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We can take all our valuable water and use it for building little houses!

    Better yet, let's just throw thousands of these bags in the ocean and create an underwater city instantaneously!

  28. I can't be the only one... by Icarus1919 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who sees the potential for glorious abuse? Just stick it in someone's car, put a hose in, and run like hell.

  29. The real question slashdotters are asking by willmeister · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does it come with ethernet hookup?

  30. What's not to like? (The cost?) by Tau+Zero · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's a shell that's strong in compression. Pile earth on it, and you've got your sound and thermal insulation. The one issue I can see is the small size; 172 square feet isn't much. You'd need a lot of them for any kind of refugee situation, and at $2100 each (about $12/square foot) it's probably as expensive as local housing in most of the world if not more so.

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    1. Re:What's not to like? (The cost?) by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The army will eat this up. They don't care about the costs, and it's perfect for them. This could be a sturdy (relative to a tent) frontline building; a small mess hall, infirmary, officer's quarters, hummer garage... the list goes on.

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    2. Re:What's not to like? (The cost?) by salec · · Score: 5, Interesting
      This is just a proof of principle. Later on, HMV garage probably will be designed.

      Building sterility shouldn't be a problem. If you deliver it with precompressed gas in a bottle, no need to start a compressor either. Once again, armies will love that - silent construction.

      I wonder if it could be placed directly underground thru narrow shaft (or, underwater, if attached to heavy anchoring weight?) and expand by supplying enaugh pressure from the surface? You get instant underground/underwater bases (i.e. on other planets as well)

      Other modified uses for this technology I can think of:
      • Military (these applications may pose certain preferences in choosing the right fabric - say, kevlar(R)?):
        • fast hard-hull boat manufacturing as needed (army forced river crossing)
        • light armour for trucks, for armored personel carrier improvisation.
        • additional, expendable, "skirt" light armour (well, deflector for cumulative shells) for tanks
      • Civil (disaster relief):
        • fast manufacturing of wide crossection, low pressure pipeline (i.e. sewer system)
        • fast floodwalls manufacturing
    3. Re:What's not to like? (The cost?) by Mudcathi · · Score: 2, Funny
      "It's a shell that's strong in compression. Pile earth on it, and you've got your sound and thermal insulation."

      Back on the farm, we called that a "cave".

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    4. Re:What's not to like? (The cost?) by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny

      I dunno Capt'n. I mean, would the army really like blowing up buildings?

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  31. Re:Issues with Disposal by MickLinux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, the basic form of disposal is probably close to what we do with waste concrete pilings, at the prestressed concrete company where I work. We pile them on the ground near the water, and let them act as landfill that extends our land. No joke. It's not too bad -- as the concrete very slowly decays due to the freeze-thaw cycle, it pretty much doesn't pollute anything. Everything there is also found in natural rock that comes into the ocean with rivers.

    However, if that's not good enough for you, you can do as we do with our waste wet concrete. Expose it to acid (muratic acid, for example), and it will break down faster.

    But for me?

    I rather suspect that this stuff would be good for burying in the ground, covering with dirt, and planting grapevines over it.

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  32. Inuit by stephenMF · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Inuit people have been doing this for thousands of years. Making buildings out of water, that is.

  33. Re:but how..... Let WAMU make a fan out of you? by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Funny

    How 'bout making a fan out of WAMU (Washington Mutual)? Now, THEY can have those instant banks and pop them up at lower cost (unless the states and counties charger higher property taxes....)

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  34. Just the thing... by AJWM · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just the thing for backpacking in bear country.

    Well, except for the weight...

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  35. Re:Strength? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Informative

    > Well, they're unreinforced concrete.

    It's reinforced by the fabric. In any case if properly designed and erected the load will be entirely compressional.

    > I wonder what the next step will be - taking
    > advantage of local aggregate as well, so that
    > you only have to have cement in the bag?

    You don't use aggregate for this sort of thing.

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  36. Re:Response to local climate by Penguinshit · · Score: 3, Interesting


    There are whole towns in Michoacan that are built of not much more than sticks. They're not much for privacy, but the breeze goes right through (a must for life in that area). If a Chubasco comes through, you just pick the sticks up, jam them back into the dirt, slap the tin siding back up as your roof, and you've rebuilt your house in a day.

    The concrete dwellings down there don't fare nearly as well.

  37. Re:Minor details... by back_pages · · Score: 4, Informative
    I think they need a reality check.

    Uh yeah, or maybe some random guy on the internet who has never actually laid eyes on the thing isn't the leading expert in how it works. I'm just, you know, tossing that out there. No offense, I'm just saying..

    It's fabric drenched in cement. I don't know how much cement you've laid, but I've laid quite a lot. Reinforced concrete is a modern marvel - literally. I believe The Discovery Channel has an episode of Modern Marvels specifically about concrete.

    By the way, which weighs more, 500 lbs. of feathers or 500 lbs. of lead? Guess how much a 98 lb. bag of concrete weighs. Guess how much that 98 lbs. of concrete weighs after you use it to impregnate a piece of fabric? I'll answer the next one myself: What do you call a piece of fabric impregnated with 98 lbs. of concrete? Reinforced concrete.

    So my take on this is that they're making a very thin shell of concrete, much like you're traditional paper mache, except far more durable. It probably wouldn't survive the erosion of a few heavy rains, but if you crashed a car into it, it would crumple but not be demolished.

    I KNOW that somewhere I've seen someone else constructing buildings with this inflation method but I can't recall where. Maybe it was grain storage sheds or something. Anyway, reinforced concrete is truly remarkable - if this stuff made a shell 1/4" thick, you could bust it up with a hammer or a baseball bat but it would take you all day to actually tear the thing down. The cool thing about reinforced concrete is that it doesn't really matter if you crack it. You end up with two pieces of concrete that are bonded by the reinforcement so tightly that the crack is inconsequential. Adjust that concept for 1000 cracks or thin sheets of concrete, but the principle still holds.

  38. Where do you get the water? by madshot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't people usually have problems with water during disasters? If you place contaminated water into the structure are you going to have problems?

    What about areas where the problem is they have no water? Just some thoughts..

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    1. Re:Where do you get the water? by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, it so happens I had reason to read the standards used by humanitarian organizations some months ago for a project I had. You generally site your camp near a water supply. The problem is decontaminating the water so it can be used to drink and wash with. If the water source isn't contaminated to start with, ifyou put a refugee camp next to it, it will be.

      Using contaminated water in a concrete structure is probably not going to be a problem, because you aren't going to ingest it. Drinking even very slightly contaminated water is a huge health risk.

      In any case, I can't see the humanitarians going for something heavy,expensive and inflexible like this. It might be a better permanent structure than a tent, but it isn't going to be good as a regular structure. In a pinch, they do temporary repairs to existing damaged structure. These guys pretty much use plastic sheeting for everything.

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    2. Re:Where do you get the water? by dubiousmike · · Score: 4, Funny

      just make use of the included powdered water...

  39. but then they couldn't win the prize by bodrell · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Seeing as they came up with the idea as an entry in a "innovative concrete uses" contest, they probably didn't want to use fiberglass.

    There is also the issue of wind. I'm sure concrete structures don't blow away as easily, and many disaster areas are going to have lots of wind and water. Plus, concrete doesn't need to dry to set. Apparently it sets up quite nicely underwater.

    My father has been building unique houses for about thirty years. One was an earth-covered house ("underground" is a bit misleading, but that's what I would normally call it) and he's been looking into a very modular building material called 3-D Panel which is basically styrofoam between wire meshes. After you assemble the building, using rebar or something to connect wire meshes together, you spray it with shotcrete, and you're done. I mean, if we're allowed to have a spraying apparatus, why not? The specs for this panel system are impressive. They say the insulating value is R-18 to R-33--better than the new homes they throw up these days in my neighborhood.

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  40. Sterile? by dysk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "The shelter can also be delivered sterile," said Crawford. "This allows previously impossible surgical procedures to be performed in situ from day one of a crisis."

    Sounds pretty useless, unless it is shipped with sterile water, and sterile air to inflate it with. Just shows that the inventors haven't fully thought through their ideas.

  41. Re:what about tents? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > what's wrong with a good old tent?? I can put one
    > up in just a few minutes!

    Never actually lived in a tent, have you? Do you like dry feet? Not having your home blow away?

    > Are these thing sturdier?

    Much, much sturdier.

    > Lighter?

    Much heavier. That's a _plus_.

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  42. Reminds me of something Bill Moss once showed me by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bill Moss was one of the founders of Moss tents and the inventor of the modern dome tent. I met him about ten years ago through a guy I worked with.

    Anyhow, he showed me this invention he had, it looked like one of those tiny bicycling or backpacking tents, but it was made of cleverly prestressed and folded cardboard. Basically it folded flat, then instantly popped up into a small shelter. It bulged in the middle and had a small hole in one end you crawled through. It wouldn't be much of the shelter, but it could make the difference between freezing to death and surviving. He had designed it to address the problem of homeless people dying of hypothermia on cold nights in the city. You could pile hundreds of them in the back of pickup, and since they were basically cleverly designed cardboard boxes it would cost next to nothing.

    In any case, I don't think it ever went into production, possibly becasue it may not have made enough of a difference to be worthwhile. But it was an interesting idea, cleverly executed.

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  43. University of Manitoba by Darth+Cider · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mark West at the University of Manitoba has created a department specializing in applications of flexible fabric formworks in architecture. Here's an excerpt:

    The natural tension geometries given by formwork fabrics simplify the production of lightweight, high efficiency structural shapes. The formworks themselves are extraordinarily light and very inexpensive. The flexibility of a fabric formwork membrane makes it possible to produce a multitude of architectural and structural designs from a single, reusable mold. The use of permeable formwork membrane fabrics produces improved surface finishes and strength as a result of a filtering action allowing air bubbles and excess mix water to bleed through the formwork membrane.

    I saw examples at the National Building Museum in Washington D.C. last summer and was impressed by the smooth finish of the cement surfaces and also the potential to create very elaborate, beautiful and sturdy structures using really really cheap fabric casings. These new approaches to housing construction are not trivial.

  44. Re:Issues with Disposal by SirCyn · · Score: 2, Informative

    muratic acid

    Most geeks will call this hydrochloric acid. BTW: It's spelled muriatic.

  45. Cheaper? by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't think so.

    Check out housing in Japan sometime. People important Canadian lumber and build western style dry-wall-on-wooden-frame, and it comes out costing less than the prefab.

    And, having lived in prefab over here for over ten years, I'm not impressed with the quality. It's like living in a giant plastic butter dish.

    Some people like it that way, because when the kids fall, plastic can be somewhat softer than wood. Or something. I dunno.

  46. a slum is SUPPOSED to be flimsy by Suchetha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    basically, a slum is an aggregation of cheap and above all temporary housing. at USD 2100 (about LKR 210,000 - a LOT of money where i live) per unit the housing is more expensive than most slum dwellers can afford. also i believe there is a high population turnover in slum areas. people come and people go.and the parts are scavenged to make the other slum dwellings better.

    further, the land that slums are on become more desirable as the city develops. which gives the impetus for the governments to move people out of the slums and into multi story housing projects (which end up becoming vertical slums, but i digress), thereby reclaiming the land for public use. a cement based housing system would make this process more difficult

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  47. Picture goodness by bezuwork's+friend · · Score: 2, Informative
    here

    Oh, and under gallery 2004, there is a pdf of the top contenders with discussions of the philosophies behind their works.

  48. A better option... by Infinityis · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe during the Vietnam War era this would have been ideal, but given the current state of affairs, it might work better if they made a "just add sand" concrete structure...

  49. Use Seament instead of cement - mineral acretion by whitis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Better yet, let's just throw thousands of these bags in the ocean and create an underwater city instantaneously!

    Excess water would probably yield very poor quality concrete and ocean currents would probably wash the concrete away before it set. Also, the baloons would need to be well anchored or they would float to the surface.

    Another technique for this (although not as quick) is to just deploy a metal mesh (think window screen size). Then you apply electricity to the mesh and the minerals in sea water acrete onto the structure. This technique was described in article in the Mother Earth News 25 years ago although it apparently wasn't pursued enough. More recently, this technique has been used to restore coral reefs and one group plans to use it to create an underwater habitat .

    There is some research at Standford and a Wikipedia entry . Apparently, there is some confusion about how much energy is needed to produce such structures and a structure similar in size to the inflatable one would probably use around $500 worth of electricty.

  50. The bigger question is... by suman28 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What happens to the building after its use is over? More trash or leave it for the residents of whereever it is to clean up?

  51. Cartoon? by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like something from Tom and Jerry.

    Tom eats the house-in-a-bag thinking it's an MRE. A couple of seconds later, he balloons into a massive house-shaped cat (or a catskin house?!)

    After a short pause, a chimney pops out of his ear.

    Yeah, it has to be a real chimney. This is Tom and Jerry we're talking about here, folks.

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  52. This is great news... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... It's nice to see that eminent scientist Wile E. Coyote, PhD, has finally put the past behind him and is concentrating on real work nowadays.

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  53. good long term solutions like this one are needed by ekan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I read a statistic somewhere (can't find where :-( that said the average refugee lives 2-4 years (or something like that) in "temporary" housing--not just a couple months. Imagine living in a tent for 2-4 years...anyways, the point is there need to be good, long term solutions that last--and tents aren't it. Buckminster Fuller talked a lot about this, and how we can do it now if we want to.

    From this article:

    Janet Ginsberg: how many camps and average size? How long do they last?

    Larry Thompson: 10,000 people is an average size. Some have up to 600,000 people. Some camps exist for around 15-20 years. In Palestine some have been there 40-50 years. We tend to put people in camps and forget about them. In Kosovo--UNHCR had plans on orderly return--the refugees all went home in a number of days. The thought is that many Afghans will go home this spring. But, unless there are demonstrated economic incentives to go home, they won't leave.

  54. Re:Minor details... by Cyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No. I'm sorry, but I don't think "fabric drenched in cement" gives you reinforced concrete - it gives you concrete, that happens to have fabric inside to save the setup crew from fussing around shaping it.

    The intention of reinforced concrete is that the tensile strength / structure of the piece is actually reinforced by something - http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+reinforce d+concrete
    "Concrete that is strengthened by the insertion of rods of steel, wire mesh or strands of glass reinforced plastic or similar materials."

    I agree that you've got more than concrete there, and it would stand up to a beating better than just concrete, but I question using the term "reinforced concrete". Damned generic term that has a specific meaning - my complaint is really more that the term is too loaded I suppose. Oh well.

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  55. Brick is unsafe in Earthquake Country by billstewart · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I grew up in a brick house on the US East Coast, and brick and stone were fairly popular building materials - or woodframe with brick facing. But out here in California, it's not a useful material, because it doesn't behave well in earthquakes. Too many parts of the world do use brick or stone houses in earthquake country - leading to tens of thousands of deaths when there's a big quake in places like Iran or Armenia. Cement works ok, because you can put lots of rebar in it.

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