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Wikipedia Reaches Half a Million Articles

Faraaz Damji (frazzydee) writes "The English Wikipedia has reached 500,000 full-length articles. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia collaboratively edited by thousands of users worldwide, and the article count has been increasing every day. Thanks to all the users who make it happen, especially the ones who put in hours every day writing to make this invaluable resource that we all love."

275 comments

  1. I always find the quantity of non-english articles by tabkey12 · · Score: 3, Informative
    quite amazing - and surely much higher than the proportion of non-english web pages on the internet as a whole:

    For instance, over 200,000 articles in German

  2. thanks?! what thanks.. by flumps · · Score: 3, Funny

    All special users link not working....

    Guess they weren't all that special eh.

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    1. Re:thanks?! what thanks.. by frazzydee · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry about that, the link is Special:Listusers I tried to email the on-duty editor, but they didn't see it on time :-(

    2. Re:thanks?! what thanks.. by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wikipedia: Where people named "BUSH IS A GREAT CRIMINAL", "Wikipedia Sucks", and "X_0_X_$exyGirl_232" are considered authorities on any given subject.

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    3. Re:thanks?! what thanks.. by billysara · · Score: 0, Troll

      Because we all know that your name is a great indication of ability and knowledge... ;-)

      Come to think on it, most of the Phd's I know hang about chatrooms calling themselves "r00dboi2004" or "r0x0rd00d" so who knows.

      I remember when the internet was all fields you know....

  3. How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    How many of these are spam "articles", or two-word stubs?

    1. Re:How many... by SkinnyPapa · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know about spam, but none of these are "Stubs". As per TFA: Wikipedia currently has 501783 articles. That number excludes discussion pages, articles without links to other articles, very short ("stub") articles and pages about Wikipedia. Including these, we have 1405147 pages.

  4. Re:weks!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You fail it, weks. You suck too. Admit this and go back to masturbating on DALnet or whatever this nonsense is.

  5. 500,000th Article by tabkey12 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Re:500,000th Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Union wikipedia involuntarily settles you?

    2. Re:500,000th Article by 21mhz · · Score: 2

      YOU get involuntarily settled into the Soviet Union Wikipedia.

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    3. Re:500,000th Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Union, Wikipedia's 500,000th entry is you!

    4. Re:500,000th Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia the Involuntaries Settle YOU!

  6. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    192,584 of those are related to David Hasselhoff, of which 29,219 are related to Knight Rider.

    1. Re:But... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      192,584 were related to David Hasselhoff, before Willy on Wheels "contributed".

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    2. Re:But... by Minwee · · Score: 1
      The rest, of course, were related to his real career as a singer.

      His song "Hot Shot City" is particularly good.

    3. Re:But... by desideria · · Score: 1

      hahah, he's retired as a singer. what a shame!

    4. Re:But... by mav[LAG] · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you're the creative genius behind these customer reviews then thanks for much laughter over the years.

      From the Amazon page:

      * 2 people recommended Love Songs of the Tone-Deaf in addition to Looking For-Best of David Hasselhoff [IMPORT]
      * 2 people recommended Viral Diarrheas of Man and Animals instead of Looking For-Best of David Hasselhoff [IMPORT]

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      --- Hot Shot City is particularly good.
    5. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cannot BELIEVE you found those comments! You should be embarassed that you were on the David Hasselhoff album page in the first place!

    6. Re:But... by mav[LAG] · · Score: 1

      Strangely enough, they were linked from /. years ago - something about how you could troll just about anywhere if you were creative enough. After reading through a few at different times, I realised they were being constantly updated and since then I've stopped by regularly. Try reading Henry Raddick's recommendations on Amazon as well for a good laugh.

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  7. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by pbranes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wikipedia is a living example of how information demands to be free. This has already taken place for a long time in the scientific community, and wikipedia extends that idea to everyone on the internet.

  8. is it More than... by bird603568 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Worldbook or Encarta? Those two have gone down hill fast. I rember when it was free. Now at school we can only use those two because they censor wikipedia :(

    1. Re:is it More than... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WP has lots of how-tos or what-iss on adult topics

    2. Re:is it More than... by mr_snarf · · Score: 2

      WTF? The censor wikipedia? Explain...

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    3. Re:is it More than... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Censor? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

      You may disagree with an academic institution not allowing you to use a non-academic source in your work, but it is not censorship. Look it up in the wikipedia if you don't believe me.

      For all of it's convenience, there's no assurance that what gets put into Wikipedia is true. The maintainers themselves admit this, and I think you'll be seeing a sactioned "verified" Wikipedia later this year.

    4. Re:is it More than... by Tab+is+on+Slashdot · · Score: 1, Informative

      No, he's probably talking about some retarded filtering policy. I get the same raw deal at my school.

    5. Re:is it More than... by Coderifous · · Score: 1

      But "closed source" encyclopedia's define truth because [insert long ass description of QA, validation and verifaction procedures] and the "open source" wikipedia is inherently unreliable overall because "you don't know who wrote the article, or even if it's true or not".
      OR, the commercial interests in publishing "academic materials" have a lot vested in their business model and are spreading that FUD - because they can't compete in the digital age of information sharing.

      Bummer for the horse-and-buggy.

    6. Re:is it More than... by gniv · · Score: 1

      As mentioned above, you should explain your comment. Is wikipedia.org filtered out by your school? If this is true, then it's news, because it's outrageous. Submit a story to slashdot -- with some sort of proof, of course.

    7. Re:is it More than... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commercial encyclopedias: [insert long ass description of QA, validation and verifaction (sic) procedures]

      Wikipedia: []

      At least commercial encyclopedias don't use articles as soapboxes like I see with anything remotely controversial on wikipedia.

    8. Re:is it More than... by bird603568 · · Score: 1

      my classmate had to do research on they guy who invented the hydrogen bomb. he googled it and the first link was wikipedia... blacked. I was trying to reasearch microwaves ... blocked. it seems that only when you try to read an article its blocked. So its useless

    9. Re:is it More than... by LnxAddct · · Score: 1

      Often times, web filters are pretty weak. Either use Google's cache of it, or use wikipedia's IP number instead of the hostname. Granted any sophisticated filter will still block it, I've worked with many that won't. In a worst case scenario, set up a box at home with sshd and just create an encrypted tunnel home and proxy your connection through there. Its extremely easy. I'm not sure what the current state of school filtering software is in, as I haven't been around it for a few years, but back when I was in school (not too long ago) the above tricks worked well. Yes you may get in trouble, but then you can become a "hero" and start a movement for your school to protect the same rights given to you by the constitution (assuming your in America). Anyway... find out what the filtering software is and google for ways to get around it. One popular piece called Bess used to have tons of flaws.
      Regards,
      Steve

    10. Re:is it More than... by bird603568 · · Score: 1

      yes i live in the us. google cashe works some times, but also if you translate it with altavista it works but its a pain.

    11. Re:is it More than... by double-oh+three · · Score: 1

      Um... Questions. Have you complained? Have you told the tech admin what the site is and what it's for? What's it being blocked under(most filters give some sort of few word explination)?

      My guess is that some stupid word filter saw that there were articles on sex and nudity and blocked it.

      Complain to the tech admin or one of the administration, the fact they're blocking an encyclopedia should probably shock them into action.

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    12. Re:is it More than... by bird603568 · · Score: 1

      They told me to give them the address of one page that was blocked and a month later the unblocked that site but not the nomepage.

    13. Re:is it More than... by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Which amendment is it that gives you the right to unrestricted internet access on someone else's dime?

    14. Re:is it More than... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Now at school we can only use those two because they censor wikipedia :(

      I wish your school would censor Slashdot.

  9. Re:Offtopic? by Exitar · · Score: 1

    Probably the moderator uses . instead of ,
    So he read it as 500.

  10. How widely is Wikipedia known? by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How widely is it known? I bet a good number of people know Google or Yahoo or MSN once mentioned...question is: If one went to the street and asked the ordinary Joe Six Pack about Wikipedia I doubt there would be more than 1% who have even heard of it. In Toronto where I am now, people seem to think that the world is just made of the big players in every field. Just made a call to a university lecturer here...he's never used Wikipedia and does not even know what goes on at its site! Liking up with Google might help here.

    1. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally would not know of it if it were not for slashdot.

    2. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known? by bmac83 · · Score: 1

      As I'm sure many others have, I actually found out about Wikipedia by doing general searches on Google. Pretty soon after that, I started phrasing searches like "wikipedia [search query]" just to get the encyclopedia results on top.

      How did Google become well known? Word of mouth, and the slow realization that it was working better than anything else. I have a feeling Wikipedia will follow that trend.

    3. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known? by templest · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here in Canada, everyone migrated from Google to Wikipedia a long time ago. At least in my High School, which hardly represents all of Canada, but it's amusing to see all the "gangstas" flipping through Wikipedia for their history assignments, even if it is only to copy+paste... but tho teachers already know about it as well so hah. Any ways, yeah... pretty popular where I'm from.

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    4. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've done a bit of proselitizing because I want more peer review on the articles I contributed to (it's a bit specialized). Most of my colleagues knew little about Wikipedia, but were sympathetic to the concept once it was explained to them. BTW I think the prefix "wiki" is a marketing stroke of genius. People do remember that, and when you tell them about Wikilove, it just sears the word in their mind forever. :-)

    5. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known? by sultanoslack · · Score: 1

      I noticed for the first time recently in the book The Persian Puzzle (on US policy dealing with Iran) that it had a handful of references in its bibliography that pointed to Wikipedia. I think that's a significant step, actually...

    6. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known? by ccalculus · · Score: 1

      "Liking up with Google might help here."
      It is linked via Answers.com
      Almost all results on the site present results from Wikipedia.
      Come to think of it, this would increase 'answers.com' visibility, not of Wikipedia :(

    7. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known? by Khalid · · Score: 1

      You need to add site:wikipedia.org to your google search to get results directly form Wikipedia.

    8. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known? by kamapuaa · · Score: 1
      it's amusing to see all the "gangstas" flipping through Wikipedia for their history assignments

      It's funny to hear about Canadian "gangstas," period.

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    9. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known? by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      Here in Canada, everyone migrated from Google to Wikipedia a long time ago.

      It's interesting--for a lot of Google searches, I've noticed that Wikipedia and Wikipedia mirror sites (sites which copy the GFDL-licensed Wikipedia content and wrap it in advertising goodness) are often on the first page of Google results. Frequently Wikipedia material is the number one hit.

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    10. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known? by neitzsche · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, I usually use "wiki:" or "+wiki". ~~~~

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    11. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known? by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, they're both quite amusing.

  11. pbranes (565105) Social Security Number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Wikipedia is a living example of how information demands to be free. "

    SSN#:
    LET ME OUT! I CAN'T BREATH!

  12. In your face, Encyclopedia Britannica! by deeowe · · Score: 0, Troll

    But I won't do the USA chant, of course.

    1. Re:In your face, Encyclopedia Britannica! by reality-bytes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But I won't do the USA chant, of course.


      Its as well because you'd have no real right to. True enough, wikimedia servers are US hosted and operated. However, Wikipedia which has no restrictions on who can edit and contribute articles is a globally developed encyclopedia.

      Some of the most prolific English-language Wikipedia writers have english as their second language. They often provide the detailed bulk of an article and any spelling or grammar issues are sorted out gradually by other editors.

      Indeed there at least 22 non-english language versions of Wikipedia, consisting of articles translated and written most probably by people from the countries where that language is predominant.

      The Wikimedia project also recieves funding donations from across the world.
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    2. Re:In your face, Encyclopedia Britannica! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Wikimedia and Wikipedia are developed by a very international team. The two elected board members are actually from the U.K. and France. Volunteers come from all over the world.

  13. What impresses me most ... by LoganAvatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... about wikipedia is not necessarily the number of articles or the quality (and it can be disputed that the quality is both good and bad), is that on top of the fact that to search and read the articles is free, they will also allow you to download the entire database, which i think is impressive in our information driven economy.

    1. Re:What impresses me most ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is this download you speak of?

    2. Re:What impresses me most ... by LoganAvatar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, believe it or not, instructions for downloading the entire database is located here Which makes me wonder how many of the 500,000 articles are "Wikipedia" articles, or are those not counted?

    3. Re:What impresses me most ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I did believe it, just didn't know where to find it. *tips hat*

    4. Re:What impresses me most ... by rekenner · · Score: 1

      I'll just simply say... http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=143026&cid=119 84959, to the part about if Wikipedia pages are counted. I did wonder that at first, too, admittedly. I didn't know that the article cuont didn't include stubs, which make that number much more impressive.

    5. Re:What impresses me most ... by teslatug · · Score: 1

      They're all Wikipedia articles, in that they were all edited at Wikipedia. If you mean how many of them are from the Wikipedia: namespace, then the answer is 0, as the count is only from the main namespace.

    6. Re:What impresses me most ... by RonnyJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It'd be good to see a Knoppix-like DVD, complete with the Wikipedia database and software, so you could just boot a computer from it and get complete access to a huge amount of free information, without having to have internet access.

    7. Re:What impresses me most ... by at_18 · · Score: 1

      A DVD is already too small. To fit into a DVD, wikipedia must scale down or remove the images.

    8. Re:What impresses me most ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What impresses me most about this thread is that linking to Wikipedia won't immediately result in people calling you a Karma Whore! Get in while you can, folks!

    9. Re:What impresses me most ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, 585 MB is far too large for a dvd.

    10. Re:What impresses me most ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it really need to be Knoppix-like? Just throw Wikipedia on as html and a few different browsers just in case.

    11. Re:What impresses me most ... by Khalid · · Score: 1

      I believe that the entiere wikipedia is about 1,5 GO, I don't kown is this include the images though

    12. Re:What impresses me most ... by at_18 · · Score: 1

      The text is about 1,5 GB. Images, for just the English version, are 14 GB. There's an additional image repository, the "commons", whose images are shared across all languages, and that's another 11 GB or so.

  14. Infoworld is going to hate this, but... by aftk2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the more interesting overviews of wikipedia, and wikis in general - something that you can send to someone non-tech-savvy who doesn't really understand the idea of a collaborative web page - can be found here:

    http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/gems/umlaut.html

    Basically, shows how the "Heavy Metal Umlaut" (heh) page at wikipedia has evolved over some time. Interesting stuff. Note: This is a flash movie, although when it comes up, if your browser window isn't tall enough, it'll probably just look like a web page. Scroll down for the play/stop/back controls.

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    1. Re:Infoworld is going to hate this, but... by nikai · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's no Flash player for my platform (ppc Linux), but I know IBM has done similar research:

      http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/galler y. htm

    2. Re:Infoworld is going to hate this, but... by david.given · · Score: 1
      Note: This is a flash movie...

      Yeah, and it's completely unwatchable. Not only does it not fit on my screen, but watching a movie about text is such a bad way of putting across your point. Not only that, but I have to sit here and listen to the guy talk, which means I'm constrained to do things on his timetable (which basically involves listening to him going 'um' a lot, I'm afraid).

      I'm sure the content is interesting, but the presentation is just too annoying for words... does anybody have a transcript I can read?

    3. Re:Infoworld is going to hate this, but... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      That was the coolest thing I've seen all day.

      It actually reminded me of the BBC Connections series by James Burke. It showed the complex and often random evolution of information much in the way Burke showed the complex and often random evolution of society and technology.

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  15. Wikipedia Rules by micsmith · · Score: 0, Troll

    I don't know about you guys but Wikipedia has helped me in countless ways and I'm extremely grateful for this resource. Anyone who doesn't recognize the significance of this milestone, Wikipedia's inherent value as a knowledge source, how it influences the open source community, and how it scares the living crap out of companies like M$, is a turd....

    1. Re:Wikipedia Rules by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You're kidding, right? Wikipedia is a no-holds-barred joke.

  16. Wikipedia Galactica by Piewalker · · Score: 2, Funny

    And then one day Wikipedia will go through puberty and finally become WIKIPEDIA GALACTICA, with 10^17 entries, even more stubs and peer-reviewed by not just individuals, but meta-moderated by civilizations..."We who became one", "We who survived" and, of course, "Humanity".

    1. Re:Wikipedia Galactica by Captain+Nitpick · · Score: 1
      And then one day Wikipedia will go through puberty and finally become WIKIPEDIA GALACTICA
      .

      Right now it's more of the Wikipedia Guide to the Galaxy.

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    2. Re:Wikipedia Galactica by derrith · · Score: 1

      And there will be a Wikipedia Galactica Portable Edition, that gets updated as the database is expanded. It'll have "Don't Panic" on the front in nice, friendly letters.

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    3. Re:Wikipedia Galactica by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Nah that phrase will be trademarked.

      WP will have "Don't Troll" on its cover.

    4. Re:Wikipedia Galactica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, the poor saps authoring the Wikipedia Galactica don't realize that the whole project is only a front to keep the Empire off their backs while the Mayor forms the First WikiFoundation.

  17. How widely is Wikipedia known?-Galactic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A better question is: How accurate is it?

    As the old saying goes, "Just because you've been doing it for 30 years, doesn't mean you've been doing it right all those years".

    1. Re:How widely is Wikipedia known?-Galactic. by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Better in your mind, perhaps. I'm sure plenty of us have already considered that theoretical question, weighed it against the frequent utility of Wikipedia, and come to the conclusion that it's "good enough". I know I have.

  18. what about dynamic tables, like bank CD rates by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This seems like an un explored area - surely many of hte people who use the wiki would like a table of the best cd rates , updated, say daily. The problem of how to compile a list of CD rates is formidable, as there are hundreds, if not thousands of banks (most of which almost alwyas have low rates) not all of which have online rates, and there are "specials"

    1. Re:what about dynamic tables, like bank CD rates by winthrop · · Score: 1

      Wikidata is in the works. It will take some development time, though.

  19. I hope people learn to become more careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I've edited roughly 80 articles and included false information in them, backed up by seemingly legitimate sources. Most people unfortunately take sources at face value, ie. looks professional, looks like a valued scientific publication.. good enough for me.

    Some of the alterations I've made are subtle, some are outright dishonest and quackery..

    Have fun with wiki everybody.

    r.a.s.1974.

    1. Re:I hope people learn to become more careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      god yoru life must be really boring

    2. Re:I hope people learn to become more careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh no you haven't.

      Now, if you had provided verifiable sources, I might have believed you. But I suspect you are too lazy to do what you claim.

    3. Re:I hope people learn to become more careful by oogoody · · Score: 1

      > Have fun with wiki everybody.

      Could you please buy me an encyclopedia i could use instead?

    4. Re:I hope people learn to become more careful by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      Maybe so, but when you realize that you are a greater idiot than the vast majority of people, you'll see that you don't matter.

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    5. Re:I hope people learn to become more careful by Taxman415a · · Score: 1

      Agreed, its just like any other idiot that just wants some attention. Now, if he had provided some diffs to show actually having made those edits, then we would have something. If he had backed up edits with supposed sources, those sources are easy to check and easy to recheck with other sources. It may even last a little while if he had done it, but referencing makes it much easier to verify the facts, and those would eventually get weeded out.

    6. Re:I hope people learn to become more careful by boss+soul · · Score: 1

      Seems to me that this guy is proving a point - one that the Wiki-zealots simply don't want to hear. Inaccurate information doesn't merely survive in the Wikipedia, it thrives.

    7. Re:I hope people learn to become more careful by snorklewacker · · Score: 1

      If you were really bragging, you'd have given just one example and defied us to find the rest.

      You bore me.

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    8. Re:I hope people learn to become more careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at ILS entries-- a good laugh, no?

    9. Re:I hope people learn to become more careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now it's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ILS&ol did=11292726]]! So if quoting WP, always use history snapshots--remember, it's a moving target.

    10. Re:I hope people learn to become more careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, the link to ILS (history) was This. My bad

    11. Re:I hope people learn to become more careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rebel

  20. But they still can't run a website.. by spitefulcrow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wikipedia still has load balancing issues. The bandwidth and servers are there, they're just not being used correctly. It takes forever to get the server farm to open an HTTP session to load the main page.

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    1. Re:But they still can't run a website.. by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      WTF!? Have you had a look at the server stats for wiki? You try keeping a exponentialy increasing number of users happy, while your only income is donation....

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    2. Re:But they still can't run a website.. by Taxman415a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Again it is better to sit in your mom's basement and snipe at what other people are doing wrong instead of helping.

      Do you understand Wikipedia's traffic doubles every few months? No amount of planning can allow a site to work in that scenario unless you had unlimited resources to start out with. Wikipedia is a volunteer, non profit site. The only way to make it work well is for people that know how to run it better to get invovled and contribute. So anyone that does have the know how, please pitch in.

  21. Can Wiki ever have "full-length" articles? by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As an ever-evolving, ever-accumulating storehouse of knowledge, the articles are never done and thus never "full-length." A more meaningful statistic might be the total number of words, cross-links, and articles. A nice measure of the incompleteness would be the number of red links denoting pages that have yet to have an entry.

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    1. Re:Can Wiki ever have "full-length" articles? by Nimrangul · · Score: 1
      Full length in this instance is used to describe the fact that the article has depth and contains more than just a paragraph summerizing the subject.

      Things that are not "one liners" or stubs are gererally considered full length.

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    2. Re:Can Wiki ever have "full-length" articles? by phukraut · · Score: 1

      Without reading the article, I would guess what is meant by a full-length entry is one which is not considered a "stub".

    3. Re:Can Wiki ever have "full-length" articles? by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      As an ever-evolving, ever-accumulating storehouse of knowledge, the articles are never done and thus never "full-length." A more meaningful statistic might be the total number of words, cross-links, and articles.

      Done and done. That's the third link in the Slashdot story, showing totals for words (146 million), internal links (8.4 million), and an article count--though that page only has data to the end of 2004.

      The second link in the Slashdot story shows just over 502,000 non-stub articles with at least one internal link, and 1,407,000 total article entries. Of those half-million non-stub articles, about 75% exceed 500 bytes, and more than 30% exceed 2 kilobytes.

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  22. Re:Wow by templest · · Score: 1

    I suggest we mark people like him trolls... that's technically not offtopic, as it has to do with the article. Just my $0.198. Either way, I figure it's worth sacrificing some karma in order tell you all this. Common Sense(tm) people! Use it!

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  23. Example from Leipzig Book Fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hi, I am Mathias Schindler, a German Wikipedian. I'm currently at the Wikipedia Booth at the Leipzig Book Fair (Hall 2, H 104).

    Currently, around 40% of the book fair visitors I spoke to knew about wikipedia as such. At CeBIT last week, the figures went up to 85% of all the visitors.

    Okay, a book fair visitor is not Joe Sixpack from your local trailor park but I was surprised to that so many non-Wikipedians already know us.

    Your mileage may vary....

    1. Re:Example from Leipzig Book Fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, I am Mathias Schindler, a German Wikipedian.

      So, by extenstion- would we call the articles you submit to be part of Schindler's List??

    2. Re:Example from Leipzig Book Fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Does anyone think you're funny?

  24. Hang on a tic. by dj245 · · Score: 1
    Involuntary settlements in the Soviet Union

    Do we welcome our new Soviet History overlords, or do we cower in fear at their knowledge?

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    1. Re:Hang on a tic. by bcmm · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, new Soviet History overlords welcome YOU!

      You really asked for it...

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  25. I don't follow slashdot wikipedia links anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant
    I don't click on links from slashdot to wikipedia anymore. Not since the "enemy territory" story that linked to wikipedia, which turned out just to be a big picture of a vagina.

    And they wonder why wikipedia has credibility problems?

    1. Re:I don't follow slashdot wikipedia links anymore by jayloden · · Score: 2, Funny

      What was that link again?

  26. what is a "full length" article? by westlake · · Score: 1

    Brittanica's articles can be book length, with illustrations. So what counts as a "full length" article in the Wikipedia?

  27. Re:You must be kidding, right? by micsmith · · Score: 1

    Invaluable resource? Hardly. I thought I had met every single last closed-minded person when I went to university, but I was wrong. The remaining group went on to author 'articles' for Wikipedia. I'd be interested in discovering how you didn't find it helpful. Besides, if you can't admire it for it's quality of information with it even being open source, then maybe you can see how it worries companies like M$ who have products like CrapCarta. I for one welcome our Wikipedian overlords (I only hope that they continue to get along with our GPL and Google overlords).

  28. WikiParadox by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wikipedia is a fascinating experiment in public education. Its quality certainly debunks the myth that centralized authority is the only way to ensure that quality. But who decides the accuracy? If two people have very different definitions of a controversial subject, like "terrorists" vs. "freedom fighters" for a single guerilla group, which becomes "definitive"? Who decides whether unproven scientific theories, like early versions of string theory, are "science", or "pseudoscience"? If I post an article, clearly linked, reporting a new scientific discovery, are the "wikipeers" qualified to process the "peer review" that filters most scientific reports? Central editorial authority is certainly no guarantee of accuracy, but is P2P editorial even less accountable, even less reliable?

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    1. Re:WikiParadox by grumbel · · Score: 2, Informative
      ### If two people have very different definitions of a controversial subject, like "terrorists" vs. "freedom fighters" for a single guerilla group, which becomes "definitive"?

      Neither of those becomes definitive, if there is controverisy, then simply both points of view are explained. Its called Neutral Point of View.

      ### If I post an article, clearly linked, reporting a new scientific discovery, are the "wikipeers" qualified to process the "peer review" that filters most scientific reports?

      No, such an articel wolud either be rewritten or removed, since Wikipedia is not the place for original research.

    2. Re:WikiParadox by at_18 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If two people have very different definitions of a controversial subject, like "terrorists" vs. "freedom fighters" for a single guerilla group, which becomes "definitive"? Who decides whether unproven scientific theories, like early versions of string theory, are "science", or "pseudoscience"

      Wikipedia has the Neutral point of view rule. Here's how those topics would be dealt with:

      terrorist vs. freedom fighter: those are definition. The Wikipedia article should first list the facts, what those people are doing, what they are trying to obtain, if there was an earlier reason, etc. Then proceed to say what certain people call them terrorists, and why different people call them freedom fighters.

      science vs. pseudoscience: this is trickier if the editor is not versed in the subject. The example you made (early string theory) would be better defined as a conjecture. The wikipedia article on Scientific theory gives good guidelines on how to judge something.

    3. Re:WikiParadox by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Original Research policy:
      "[...] Original research refers to original research by editors of Wikipedia. It does not refer to original research that is published or available elsewhere (although such research may be excluded if editors consider the source to be disreputable or inappropriate). [...]"

      What about divine creation research vs. evolution research? Each version of the "human origin" derives from sources deemed disreputable or inappropriate by the other. Society as a whole is currently far from consensus on the provenance of these statements. Wikipedia would have a revolutionary social technique on its hands if it could resolve such conflicts, especially ones split by unproveable faith. Until we've got a way, we must consider the community authority of Wikipedia with the same skepticism with which we consider any other.

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    4. Re:WikiParadox by The-Bus · · Score: 1

      Well, all the articles I've edited have to do with geographic areas around me, music bands, and some financial topics, areas of my "expertise" -- I'm not going to edit an article about marsupials or 20th century France because I don't know anything about it. So, in a way, the less controversial topics won't have this problem. A proper Wiki entry would probably talk about the pros and cons for the IRA, for example.

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    5. Re:WikiParadox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If two people have very different definitions of a controversial subject, like "terrorists" vs. "freedom fighters" for a single guerilla group, which becomes "definitive"?

      Neither. Wikipedia's clearly defined NPOV policy requires the article to give all points of view and the reasons for the controversy.

      Who decides whether unproven scientific theories, like early versions of string theory, are "science", or "pseudoscience"?

      Nobody. If it's contested whether the theory has scientific validity, then the article should state this fact and provide citations for arguments for and against the validity of the theory.

      If I post an article, clearly linked, reporting a new scientific discovery, are the "wikipeers" qualified to process the "peer review" that filters most scientific reports?

      They are not. Which is why Wikipedia has a clearly stated "No original research" policy. If this new scientific discovery has not been reported in a peer-reviewed journal, it has no place on Wikipedia and will be deleted. If it has been reported in a peer-reviewed journal, then there is no need for Wikipedians to peer-review it. If it has not been peer-reviewed but it has been widely reported in the mainstream press, then it can be included on the same basis that other current-affairs topics are included, i.e. it can be reported that it has been reported.

      Honestly, I have a rather low opinion of Wikipedia myself - the majority of articles I've read are poorly written and worse structured - but I see no reason to be complaining about areas where Wikipedia has already considered the issues and formulated a clear and consistent policy that solves the problem.

    6. Re:WikiParadox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Its quality certainly debunks the myth that centralized authority is the only way to ensure that quality.

      Over and over I hear the "quality" of Wikipedia stated if it were an established fact. Has it been established? Has Wikipedia ever undergone an independent audit to determine its accuracy? And no, I don't consider the readers/contributors to be "independent auditors". I want someone to trudge down to the library, research everything in a representative sample of articles and tell me whether or not it's correct.

      I would never use Wikipedia to research anything truly important, because I simply have no reason to believe anything I read on that site. If "Joe Blow" writes an article, why should I accept it as truth? More importantly, if umpteen other "Joe Blows" review the article, why does that make it any more true? What reason do I have to believe that the reviewers are any more informed than the initial author?

      The central myth of Wikipedia is that there is some "critical mass" of Joe Blows at which point they collectively transform into authority -- that, as more and more readers review the article, it will become more and more accurate. That's bullshit. People get more stupid collectively, not more smart.

    7. Re:WikiParadox by grumbel · · Score: 1

      ### Wikipedia would have a revolutionary social technique on its hands if it could resolve such conflicts

      Wikipedia doesn't have a magical way to solve these conflicts, but its neutral point of view simply prevents those conflicts to arise in the first place, well, at least most of the time. So instead of writing "God created the earth in seven days", a Wikipedia article reads more like "There are people who believe that God created the earth in seven days, they call themself creationist..." and "Evolution has become widly accepted by the mainstream scientific community and evolution is about this and that.". So it simply doesn't state evolution is 100% right and creationism is all bullshit, but simply what evolution and creationism is about, who believes in it, what proves for it exist, etc.

    8. Re:WikiParadox by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      There are lots of experts on "Iraq", for example, with completely contradictory views, and little sense of "fairness". What's to stop them from "correcting" entries to suit their own purposes?

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    9. Re:WikiParadox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Its quality certainly debunks the myth that centralized authority is the only way to ensure that quality

      Funny how we take away completely opposite conclusions from the same data...

      > If two people have very different definitions of a controversial subject, like "terrorists" vs. "freedom fighters" for a single guerilla group, which becomes "definitive"?

      Don't know, don't actually care, because the last thing I want to see is such debate played out in the article text itself.

      > Central editorial authority is certainly no guarantee of accuracy, but is P2P editorial even less accountable, even less reliable?

      Abso-freakin-lutely. It's certainly not accountable, and at any point in time, it's not even reliable.

    10. Re:WikiParadox by snorklewacker · · Score: 1

      Neither of those becomes definitive, if there is controverisy, then simply both points of view are explained. Its called Neutral Point of View.

      That is about as NPOV as Crossfire is. It's two points of view, with no neutrality between them. There is no dialectic synthesis going on here, just a lot of noise drowning out any signal. Certainly we need debate, and need to have fora for all points of view. It's just the height of pretension to call such a collection an encyclopedia of facts.

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    11. Re:WikiParadox by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Wikipedia is a fascinating experiment in public education. Its quality certainly debunks the myth that centralized authority is the only way to ensure that quality.
      Given the extreme breadth of quality across 'pedia articles, your statement is one of faith, not of fact.
    12. Re:WikiParadox by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      It's just the height of pretension to call such a collection an encyclopedia of facts.

      It's the height of pretension to imply that there can even be an encyclopedia of pure facts. "Point of view" is inherent in any encyclopedia. The best that can be said is that the presenter made an effort to stay neutral. In cases where there are multiple competing opinions and no amount of arguing is going to make either side give up, the best you can do is factually represent both opinions. If one side is supported by scientific evidence, and the other by blind faith, then so long as this is made known the article is factually correct.

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    13. Re:WikiParadox by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Nothing is stopping them, but then nothing is stopping somebody else from correcting their doings. Such a thing is called Edit War and if it happens frequenctly on a article that article is either locked for a period of time to give the parties time to cool down or one of the parties banned if their doing is clearly abusive.

    14. Re:WikiParadox by ndogg · · Score: 1

      I think that Wikipedia needs a review complement to it. There should be a group that takes a snapshot of Wikipedia at a particular time, and has various experts review pages in their particular field, and make any necessary changes (which would subsequently be merged back into the regular Wikipedia). This snapshot could then be print published.

      That would, at least, bring more credibility and notoriety.

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    15. Re:WikiParadox by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Actually, even a few examples of quality articles produced without centralized authority debunk a myth that centralized authority is the only way to ensure that quality. And an important, though fine, point is the distinction between "faith" and mere "belief". Unless you actually read all of the articles, you can't know anything about their aggregate as a "fact". But since you *can* read all of them, even though it takes your whole life, perhaps even an artificially extended life, your assumed knowledge is "belief". "Faith" is altogether different: it's knowledge that *cannot* be proven (or, more to the point, disproven), like the existence of an omnipotent spirit. Or, perhaps even more to the point, that faith cannot produce factual knowledge - itself an article of faith. But an axiom on which all science, by way of logical positivism, is based.

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    16. Re:WikiParadox by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of a social network underpinning the Wikipedia. Rather than ever delete anything posted by another author, an editor merely includes their revised version. People can select the version(s) they prefer, by priority, and likewise the people whose opinions they respect. That critical agreement factor could be automated, derived from the scores of people with whom you agree on the preference among multiple entries. So you'd rate some number of articles, which would also be rated by other people. When you agreed 100% of the time with another person's ratings (above some total critical sampling count), you'd be assumed to agree with their preference for other articles which you hadn't yet rated yourself. And their preferences would be extrapolated that way from your rated articles. You could weight specific people's preferences higher, when you decided that you generally agree with them. Every article's "confidence" rating would be reported, including the contributions of each source of confidence. This way, no viewpoint would be suppressed, but conflicting or varying presentations could be easily navigated. By modelling the real-world social networks of opinion reinforcement. Automated consensus tallies, with each person at the center of their own customized consensus network.

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    17. Re:WikiParadox by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Actually, even a few examples of quality articles produced without centralized authority debunk a myth that centralized authority is the only way to ensure that quality.
      Except... No one has ever claimed that only a central authority can produce quality. At issue with the Wikipedia is whether or not a central authority is required to produce a large product of consistent high quality, something very different indeed. (And an it's an issue that 'pedia supporters handwave away, as you just attempted to.)
      And an important, though fine, point is the distinction between "faith" and mere "belief". Unless you actually read all of the articles, you can't know anything about their aggregate as a "fact".
      More handwaving and sophmoric nonsense to avoid adressing the issue. One does not need to read the entire thing to come to a reasonable conclusion as regards to average quality. When even a brief random sampling produces a significant quantity of articles of poor quality, one can begin to form a conclusion. When an ongoing study (I.E. random sampling and reading and following links) shows a vast disparity between quality levels, ones conclusion can become only firmer.
    18. Re:WikiParadox by misterpies · · Score: 1


      But the problem with the 'neutral point of view' (and one seen commonly in American journalism) is that it creates the illusion that all points of view are equally valid. That might be fine in lit crit, but in science it is not. The fact that a tiny minority of experts do not accept global warming or evolution or some other scientific theory for which there is overwhelming evidence is not reason to give the alternatives equal airtime: that only results in giving a legitimacy to marginal views. And in modern science, a view which stays on the margins for any length of time is almost certainly false, because ideas that work are rapidly adopted and turned into research grants.

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    19. Re:WikiParadox by Kaki+Nix+Sain · · Score: 1

      There is no reason why a third, fourth, fifth,..., nth point of view on the issue can't be included. As for dialectic and synthesis, I don't see why it is the place of an encylopedia to do such things. Nothing should be decided in the production of an encylopedia. Things should be recorded.

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    20. Re:WikiParadox by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I note that the fortune at the bottom of my Slashdot page says:

      "The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. -- Oscar Wilde"

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    21. Re:WikiParadox by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      But the problem with the 'neutral point of view' (and one seen commonly in American journalism) is that it creates the illusion that all points of view are equally valid. That might be fine in lit crit, but in science it is not.

      Actually, that problem is one of which most Wikipedia editors are very much aware. Check out the Wikipedia guide to neutral point of view (NPOV). Scroll down to the section on pseudoscience, which reads (in part),

      If we're going to represent the sum total of human knowledge, then we must concede that we will be describing views repugnant to us without asserting that they are false. Things are not, however, as bad as that sounds. The task before us is not to describe disputes as though, for example, pseudoscience were on a par with science; rather, the task is to represent the majority (scientific) view as the majority view and the minority (sometimes pseudoscientific) view as the minority view; and, moreover, to explain how scientists have received pseudoscientific theories. This is all in the purview of the task of describing a dispute fairly.
      An encyclopedia should discuss things like remote viewing and palm reading; they have a great deal of social and historical significance, and they have their proponents even today. The important thing is accurately representing the scientific consensus on these issues as well.
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  29. Press Release by teslatug · · Score: 3, Informative

    Read the Press Release

  30. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It wasn't a troll, it was a joke. Sheesh, some people around here are a bit sensitive over Wikipedia. It's not Google, people!

  31. 73% are over 0.5KB by dannytaggart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the data table, 73% of English-language articles are over 0.5KB.

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  32. Re:You must be kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's one more place you'll meet one: your mirror.

  33. go wiki! by icleprechauns · · Score: 1

    Firstly, unlike a lot of people on this discussion board, I commend Wikipedia; I think it's a great resource, and I use it all the time for research, even yesterday. What amazes me is that despite the fact that it is open for edit by anyone, it hasn't fallen apart. One would think that a single DDoS attack that involves mass editing Wikipedia's articles would be easy to achieve, but then again I'm not completely familiar with the inner workings, and I'm sure they have more than enough protective measures to prevent such an attack (i.e. the ability to lock the articles in the event of obvious attempts to degrade the sincerity of the article, like they did with President Bush's article before the elections).

    Also what I find interesting is that in October of 2002 there was a surge of new articles and activity according to their statistics page. Anyone know what triggered this?

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    1. Re:go wiki! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the Oct. 2002 surge was caused by automated placement of tens of thousands of template articles about American towns taken from the Census. For a while, you could hardly avoid those largely content-free pages because they made up such a large percentage of all articles, but they're much more diluted now - and, in the wiki way, some (not the majority, though) have been expanded into articles of varying degree.

  34. Re:You must be kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd be interested in discovering how you didn't find it helpful.

    I find it unhelpful due to the very nature of wiki's and websites in general. I've used wikipedia articles in academic papers (any why not, they're usually more current than other competing resources), but have been burned by markers who actually look up the content (as I would want them to do anyway!), and the content has changed.

    I know it's better that way, but often times the content changes just enough to offer a slightly biased slant on things. That slant is what irks the markers. They question the value of an encyclopedia entry that isn't "closed-source" and as they would have you believe "free of bias".

    Now, that still doesn't explain why I think the great guys and gals over at Wikipedia are closed-minded. It's an observation that more often than not, correct additions to articles are moderated into oblivion until someone higher up points out that the information was in fact correct. No problem; I understand that the internet is all about dynamic content, and that sometimes we mess up.

  35. 500,000 full-length articles... by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 1, Funny

    with well over 25% factually correct!

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  36. Re:You must be kidding, right? by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 3, Funny
    I thought I had met every single last closed-minded person when I went to university, but I was wrong. The remaining group went on to author 'articles' for Wikipedia.

    Some even became Anonymous Cowards on /.

  37. Re:You must be kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And others became registered members.

  38. Distorted by techy stuff by mrm677 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Search for "cow" on wikipedia. Of course you will find a blurb that a cow is a female of the bovine family. It also says:

    COW is also an acronym for copy-on-write, a technique in computer science
    I mean come on! There are a zillion acronyms for the word cow.

    Wikipedia is edited by too many techy people and this could hurt its reputation.

    1. Re:Distorted by techy stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, how would you like to find out what the acronym "COW" means then? by googling an image of it?

    2. Re:Distorted by techy stuff by wfberg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Search for "cow" on wikipedia. Of course you will find a blurb that a cow is a female of the bovine family. It also says:

      COW is also an acronym for copy-on-write, a technique in computer science

      I mean come on! There are a zillion acronyms for the word cow.


      Feel free to add the other
      27.

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    3. Re:Distorted by techy stuff by snorklewacker · · Score: 1
      A cow is of the bovine ilk.
      One end is moo, the other milk.
      -- Ogden Nash


      I'm wondering why "cow" is even in Wikipedia at all when it's clearly a dictionary article.
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    4. Re:Distorted by techy stuff by datastalker · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is:

      "Too much information is a bad thing."

      essentially.

      The primary users of the site (at the moment) are techy people, so it slants that way. However, since it's a WIKIpedia, as more people learn to use it, that will be corrected.

    5. Re:Distorted by techy stuff by frantzdb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fixed. I didn't add all of them, but I added all that already have pages and then some.

    6. Re:Distorted by techy stuff by m50d · · Score: 1

      Because there are all sorts of encyclopaedic things about them. I would be dissapointed by any encyclopaedia which didn't have an entry on cow.

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    7. Re:Distorted by techy stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      There cannot be a "zillion" entries, as zillion is not a real number: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zillion

      RTFW

      Would you care to name some other acronyms for COW that you know of? (Note: You cannot list anything thats listed on wikipedia already)

    8. Re:Distorted by techy stuff by boots@work · · Score: 1

      Yes, I think Wikipedia has the reputation of containing a lot of techy content. The whole Internet is biased towards techy content: search for any word and you tend to get software projects or similar things that happen to contain that word (e.g. 'cult of the dead cow'). But so what? It doesn't mean any other content is excluded.

    9. Re:Distorted by techy stuff by Black.Shuck · · Score: 1

      I mean come on! There are a zillion acronyms for the word cow.

      So hit that "Edit this page" link and get to work! :)

    10. Re:Distorted by techy stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikipedia is edited by too many techy people and this could hurt its reputation.

      That's right. You could even call it a failing. The term 'failing' is of course related to 'failure'. Let's see what Wikipedia has to say about failure:

      Failure is defined in ISO/CD 10303-226 as the lack of ability of a component, equipment, sub system, or system to perform its intended function as designed.

      Hmm.

  39. recursive by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's a wikipedia article involving slashdot. Karma_Whore
    Some info on what Karma Whore's goals are. Karma Whore has three stated purposes: to post information about a topic that everyone already knows; to link to wikipedia, because wikipedia pwns

    Oh damn, now I'm in a loop

    1. Re:recursive by Neoncow · · Score: 1
      Oh damn, now I'm in a loop

      Fixed

  40. Britannica by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 4, Funny

    But how can this Wikipedia thing exist if it is not listed in Encyclopedia Britannica, which, since its authors say is better, must surely be the authoritative guide to everything?

    1. Re:Britannica by Minwee · · Score: 1

      What's this about the Encyclopedia Britannia?

    2. Re:Britannica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What Wikipedia really needs is a front page with large, flashing letters saying 'Don't panic!'.

      That was terrible, I know...

    3. Re:Britannica by dodobh · · Score: 1

      The only Authoritative Guide is the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The only question is if it lists the Wikipedia as authoriative or not.

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  41. Liberate Information by wheelbarrow · · Score: 1

    I love Wikipedia because it is a free alternative to the traditional profit driven, elitist, and biased encyclopedia publishers. All information publishing is biased. I'd rather, as a reader, take my chances with a self policed large community than an annointed elite set of encyclopedia writers.

    The web, in general, is great for breaking up monopolistic control of information. This is why the web has been so successful at tearing down the old travel industry system of information brokers. The next to go will be car purchasing, real estate, and tyrannical governments like China and Iran.

  42. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what about the baboon? Is the able to use Wikipedia? If not, what good is Wikipedia, if a baboon can't use it?

  43. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by ozric99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't know about that. This post's score will stay above 0 for about 30 seconds but I've got karma to burn so whatever. I've tried on no less than 7 occasions to make changes or additions to some rather innocuous pages only to return some moments later to a message telling me to stop defacing or trolling the site. I'm not talking about crazy political trolling or anything of that nature, merely additions of relevant links, changes to dates, spelling and grammar mistakes etc..

    Wikipedia isn't an example of information wanting to be free, it's an example of groupthink spinning out of control. Has it changed dramatically in the last few months? I may return if it has, but if not it's just another example of a failed ideology.

  44. It's almost relevant by pigpogm · · Score: 1

    Self-promotion...

    My partner and I do a site about sharing creativity, and we've just finished converting all the stuff we've written into a Wiki (using MediaWiki). We can't write about everything ourselves, so we're hoping that making it a Wiki will get us a bit of help from other people. If anyone's interested, it's here...
    http://pigpog.com/wiki/

    So far, it's got a bit about playing guitar, a few articles on productivity and GTD, and a couple of reviews of things, but we'd love to see it grow to cover lots more things - writing, blogging, photography, drawing, painting, music, etc.

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  45. What Wikipedia needs now by Taxman415a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many of you were probably already aware Wikipedia had reached 500,000 articles. What may be of even more interest to many Slashdot readers though is that the Wikimedia project that runs Wikipedia and other sites desperately needs more people to help run the site. Both to develop the software and administer the servers. The growth of Wikipedia is phenomenal and traffic is increasing at a rapid pace. However, without proper planning, the system will not be able to keep up with demand. The site gets over 80 million hits a day, so it would certainly be an interesting project to work on from a technical standpoint. Oh, and did I forget to say it runs on Linux?

    The other thing Wikipedia needs most is better referencing of facts. The only criticism left of Wikipedia is the percieved lack of reliability. The best (only?) way to combat this is to cite individual facts to the most authoritative source available. With that Wikipedia can be more reliable than any other single source available. Not perfect, because someone can dispute any fact, but Wikipedia might be able to be the best out there at it. There is certainly a lot of work going on in this area, but also many who write on Wikipedia fail to see the writing on the wall and reallize this really is the only valid criticism left. I for one am promoting work on a list of Wikipedia's otherwise best articles that do not cite their sources properly. If you want to contribute to something, researching and citing facts in these articles could be one of the most valuable things you could do.

    1. Re:What Wikipedia needs now by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 0, Troll

      "The only criticism left of Wikipedia is the percieved lack of reliability."

      Well, given what Wikipedia is, that's a pretty significant core issue.. don't you think?

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    2. Re:What Wikipedia needs now by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      All of the projects/problems you just stated make me wish all the more that Google would acquire them. I can't think of a more perfect match: The best indexer of information together with the biggest publicly edited encyclopedic database out there.

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    3. Re:What Wikipedia needs now by NoOneInParticular · · Score: 2, Interesting
      About the servers and bandwith, I think that for the long-term stability of a project the size of Wikipedia, some sort of p2p solution must be devised. The alternative is a strong company footing the bill (with no strings attached, yeah right). Otherwise it might go under due to its success.

      However, there's plenty of bandwidth in the world, and there's plenty of people that will be willing to donate some of their bandwith to a project like wikipedia. I personally would have no problem serving 20% of my uplink permanently to it. There just no infrastructure to utilize the bandwith to serve pages. As far as I can see, editing pages needs to be centralized, but the serving and viewing of pages could in principle be decentralized and shared amongst the users. Grossly simplified: Wikipedia will run the tracker and redirect the request to an auxillary.

      Given the dynamic nature of the Wikipedia, and the fact that it needs to serve webpages, not files, the technological hurdles are daunting, but some sort of shared load does seem to be needed in order to make the project long term sustainable. And with long term, I mean a few centuries.

    4. Re:What Wikipedia needs now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most of wikipedias issues are not really bandwidth related

      look at thier budgets and you will find the vast majority is spent on hardware related issues

      sooner or later the traffic growth has to stop or slow down significantly if they can survive that long then they should be able to raise enough money to keep ticking over practically indefinately.

  46. Inaccuracies, citations, and new topics by bezuwork's+friend · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It is for reasons like this that I wish Wikipedia had a citations page. It should mirror the actual article, but allow entries of citiations for each and every fact, statement, etc. in the article. Perhaps with footnoting. As the article gets editied, the citation page would reflect this. Editing in the citation page would only be to add/change/delete citations.

    As a first order, to many people this would increase the professionalism and believeability of the information, but to those wanting to get to original sources, they would find the inaccuracies, and as interested people, would likely correct the misinformation.

    At law school, I saw many talks on Wikipedia where people did this same thing - inserted misinformation and waited to see how long it took to get corrected. In their cases, usually it never got corrected until they corrected it themselves.

    That's just a function of the openness of Wikipedia - it comes with the nature of the beast. What I think is the true strength of Wikipedia is that, since there is no central authority deciding what does and what does not deserve an article, many wonderful topics are being treated that never have been before in any encyclopedia - Heavy Metal Umlaut, for examle.

  47. Once wikipedia becomes a 501 (c) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once they become a 501(c) hopefully they will get the funding they need to support the infrastructure they need.

    I think wikipedia's annual budget needs to be in the tens of millions (instead of the $100,000 they survive on today). They need to be able to hire full time administrators. They need an endowment much like universities. I hope that eventually somebody will become rich and successful in life by gaining knowledge on wikipedia and decide to contribute back.

  48. I know you... by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2, Insightful

    24? Is that you?

    --grendel drago

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  49. The ways WPdians subvert neutrality by Baldrson · · Score: 1
    The techniques WPdians subvert neutrality on the most vital subjects, while all the while proclaiming they are advancing "neutral point of view" is to:
    1. Make sure every conceivable reference to POVs aligned with their own POV are included in every article -- referring to them of course as simply yet another POV (which takes up 90% of the article).
    2. Encumber, with the entire history of mankind's fallacies, those subjects they'd like to see suppressed while relegating the best current knowledge to minor subsections or even to separate "special" articles linked to from the primary subject. It's rather like writing about "Heat" and focusing on the history of ideas like "phlogiston" while leaving statistical mechanics to a special article such as "Heat as a statistical mechanical phenomenon".
    3. Enforce standards rigorously on POVs they want suppressed and relax standards consistently on POVs they want promoted.
    In other words, they do pretty much what standard encyclopedias do only more so.
    1. Re:The ways WPdians subvert neutrality by pilkul · · Score: 1

      Just for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know who the parent poster Baldrson is, he's a crank with wildly "unconventional" views, who seems unwilling to compromise. That the likes of him are always getting reverted is a sign that Wikipedia is working properly.

  50. Bankrate.com by dave1g · · Score: 1, Interesting

    www.bankrate.com Has you covered already.

    I check there money market accounts weekly if not daily, and always have my money in on of the top 5 banks on there MMA list. Currently the best rate is 3.25%. Great for people who don't have a lot of money and don't know how long its going to be there.

    MMAs are more liquid than CDs and, if you look at the rates, actually provide a better rate of return unless you are willing to lock your money away for a year or more in a CD and often requiring at least 5 or 10 thousand dollars for a CD.

    Also to all the paypal users out there, the money market fund they have is only pulling 2.4% and its uninsured. Move your money out of paypal as quickly as possible to a bank with better returns.

    Paypal will draw from your bank account if you don't have enough funds, so you might as well keep them in a place where they earn more interest.

  51. Re:what is a "full length" article? by value_added · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Britannica? Be kind. I grew up trying to read cover to cover the leather-bound editions my parents bought for me (I share your bias), and while today I scoff at anything in written form that's less than 5,000 words, I firmly believe Wikipedia is an excellent resource.

    I get access to Brittanica's website through my SBC account. The books are just a few feet from me. That said, I've rarely bothered with either when I needed some information. Put another way, Wikipedia is just too easy. And for any subject that doesn't age well (anything technology related, for example), Wikipedia shines.

    On the other hand, If I'm looking to read an extended on an obscure subject, then maybe I'll reach for the appropriate volume and pour myself a drink of something that does age well. Or I'll buy book on the subject and skip Britannica altogther.

    The only thing I havent' found online for which I insist on authoritative information are dictionary lookups. The rubbish found on dictionary.com, Webster's, etc. is a poor substitute for owning some form the OED to browse.

  52. I'm curious. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know, it's shitty that you got modded down as Flamebait. Because I occasionally see posts like this and I immediately wonder how and where they happen. I've made several thousand edits, and have had someone revert them perhaps once or twice. Maybe this means I'm in line with the groupthink over there, but more likely it's that I make a lot of copyediting and nitpicking edits, not controversial ones.

    I strongly urge you to show me the diffs where you got reverted. If you don't know how to do that, tell me the date and the article name and a vague idea of what you contributed (or, better, the username you used if you were logged in), and I'll have a look.

    A lot of new editors do get reverted, because a lot of them write "GOATSE ROCKZORZ" on Ollie North's article to feel the power of "do you mean that when I hit submit, it's immediately visible to everyone?!".

    Now, I'm not saying that's what you did. And if a good edit got reverted, I want to know about it, because I believe in the project and it pisses me off when that happens. So... show me the edits, or at least the way to them.

    --grendel drago

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    1. Re:I'm curious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See my reply to the post.

  53. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by alexandreracine · · Score: 0
    Wikipedia is a living example of how information demands to be free. This has already taken place for a long time in the scientific community, and wikipedia extends that idea to everyone on the internet
    What about library?. They have been around and they where the answer to the free exchange of information. Before that it was a witch hunt to have knoledge.
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  54. fun in wikipedia land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Go to wikipedia everyday and add ONE fact, correct ONE misspelling, or add ONE reference. Don't make more than one change per article per day. Don't make any change you can't back up with a quote (in other words, no opinions, no original research). Provide the reference with your fact. Use EDIT to see how things are done, like the use of brackets for linking.
    You will get hooked. You will love making a difference.
    Once you learn your way around the place, throw away anything I just said you you don't like.
    If you are afraid of making a mistake, do everything anonomously.

    1. Re:fun in wikipedia land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are afraid of making a mistake, do everything anonomously.

      You make a good point, Anonymous Coward.

  55. On Behalf... by ThisIsFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On behalf of compulsive readers of information on the Internet, I'd like to say: Thanks a lot, I waste more time on your site than anywhere else! I sit down and read some article, and before I know it, I've got another 8 tabs open with crosslinks to other Wikipedia articles, and another hour has come and gone.

    --
    Fred

    "A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
    -RMS
    1. Re:On Behalf... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heh.. tell me about it. Wikipedia + Firefox + Curiosity = 'Wasted' time + dead cat.

    2. Re:On Behalf... by estarriol · · Score: 1

      Oh man, tell me about it... with the Scrapbook and Session Saver Firefox extensions and mouse with a middle button... well, let's just say the concept of "spare time" has got very interesting around here. So, are there any *better* success stories of an open approach to knowledge in existence, or is Wikipedia pretty much the Best Damn Thing since sliced bread?

    3. Re:On Behalf... by jalefkowit · · Score: 1

      That explains a lot.

      By the way, you're fired.

      Sincerely,

      Your Boss

  56. I know you were kidding... by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... but the two-letter abbreviations are ISO 639 language names, not (an obsolete) ISO 3166 country code (which also are used as internet domain name suffixes). This is why the English wikipedia is en.wikipedia.org, not us, uk or au. Or nz, I suppose. Languages don't map nicely to countries; there are languages that span many countries (English), countries with more than one official language (Switzerland) and languages with no country (Esperanto).

    In this case, "su" refers to the Sundanese language. You probably wanted to link to the Russian Wikipedia, with ISO-639-2 code 'ru'.

    Happy to help!

    --grendel drago

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    1. Re:I know you were kidding... by 21mhz · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I was kidding, that's right, but I wasn't aware that a 'su' Wikipedia actually exists.

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  57. Panic! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    The article about the violent fear you feel when you're unable to locate your miniscule wang is right here.

    Happy to help!

    --grendel drago

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
    1. Re:Panic! by Indigo · · Score: 1

      I thought he was joking, but no. I highly recommend this article. Although parts of it read like a gag from Seinfeld:

      Penis panics in southeast Asia have become known under the term "Koro"... The word Koro means "head of the turtle" in Malay.

  58. Wikipedia is hopelessly biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I think Wikipedia has decent articles on scientific topics such as w:quantum_mechanics, but as far as political and historical articles it is hopelessly biased, and in my opinion will always remain so. The primary reason for this is embedded in the question, who runs Wikipedia? The answer is the millionaire Ayn Rand devotee w:Jimbo_Wales, and to a lesser extent his various lieutenants. Also, Wikipedia contributors are English-speaking and have access to the Internet, and those two things alone already make the majority of people contributing here part of the world elite, especially if one considers half of the people on earth have never made a telephone call. Contributions to articles like the w:history_of_Brazil from this group are modifications on an history summary which was originally written by the w:U.S._State_Department, as all of the country history articles on Wikipedia are.

    Wikipedia may look open and mutable at first, but it is not. Most people learn this the hard way, get discouraged and stop contributing to wiki encyclopedias altogether. I am/was very involved in Wikipedia over the past year, and say this from experience. Hopefully the painful frustration around this discovery will not prevent people from contributing to wiki encyclopedia's other than Wikipedia. Unfortunately, most people begin getting frustrated, think they can beat the system, then disappear from Wikipedia and every other wiki encyclopedia altogether, which is unfortunate. Even Wikipedia administrators like w:User:172 and w:User:secretlondon have been badgered off of Wikipedia, not to mention a host of users.

    While Wikipedia itself will always be the way it is, articles are licensed under the GFDL, which is one positive thing. Unfortunately, most of the articles are garbage. Even the well-written articles have other people come in later and introduce the same bias you can find in the corporate media. It is like gold surrounded by dung. If I transfer a Wikipedia article to another wiki, I almost always use an old version of it, before people came in and started modifying it.

    Good wikis to check out are:

    • Infoshop's OpenWiki - a general wiki with an anarchist bent (and run in an authoritarian fashion)
    • Anarchopedia - a general wiki with an anarchist bent (and run in an anarchic fashion)
    • Sourcewatch (was "Disinfopedia")- a good progressive wiki with a focus on think tanks, lobbyists, public relations firms and so forth
    • dKosopedia - a "left/progressive/liberal/Democratic" wiki
    • Demopedia - the "liberal/progressive" Democratic Underground's wiki

    I urge you to contribute to these wiki's for historical, political, economic and other such subjects as Wikipedia is hopeless for these topics. The views reflect the owner's, which is as it almost always is. Thus, you will feel better building the new society within the shell of the old in these other places, where you will be part of a welcoming instead of hostile community. And of course, especially since Wikipedia uses the GNU FDL, continue to contribute to pages on the w:brontosaurus and such, but realize that Wikipedia will always have biased historical articles, and trying to fight it is pointless, the deck is stacked against you. We'll write our history on these wiki's, the conservatives will write theirs on Wikipedia and other wikis, and that's how it is.

  59. That makes it a LOT better ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    500,000 full-length articles... with well over 25% factually correct!

    Which makes it a LOT better than broadcast and print news media. B-)

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    1. Re:That makes it a LOT better ... by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 1

      Amen, my friend. =:o{

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  60. My favorite link by SynapseLapse · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuff Mostly because it keeps popping up while I'm chatting with Trillian...

  61. Full length? by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    Well, really good articles are labeled featured articles and held up as examples of the best (the en) Wikipedia can produce. They can be fifteen (printed) pages or more; larger than that and they start spinning off sub-articles. (Like the ginormous collection of articles on WW2 which has summaries of the major facts, but links to a lot of more specific articles, which themselves link to sub-articles and so forth. This style is supposed to make it less daunting to go to an individual page, while still allowing for a lot---a lot---of detail.

    There's also a discussion of article size that you might find helpful.

    --grendel drago

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
  62. check ot creation science at wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creation science
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    Creation science is the term used by some proponents of creationism to describe the attempt to develop scientific justification for their views. They often argue against biological evolution and in favor of young earth creationism (the belief that the Earth is much younger than is believed by the scientific establishment).

    Opponents consider the term a misleading oxymoron, on the ground that practitioners of "creation science" do not follow the scientific method. These critics allege that the term "creation science" was chosen to purposely blur the distinction between science and religion, thereby undeservedly legitimizing creationism by association to science. Mainstream scientists, including many who believe in God, believe that what is called "creation science" is actually a pseudoscience.
    Contents [showhide]
    1 Philosophy and theology
    2 Criticisms of creation science as science

    2.1 Creation science and falsifiability
    3 Subjects within creation science

    3.1 Creation biology
    3.2 Creation cosmology
    3.3 Creation geology
    4 History
    5 Bibliography

    5.1 Creation science
    5.2 Criticism
    6 External links

    6.1 Creation science
    6.2 Criticism
    [edit]

    Philosophy and theology

    Creation science is described by its proponents as a synthesis of science and religion, as it attempts to draw on both sources in developing its theories. As such, it differs both from pure creationist theology and from the widely accepted philosophy of science which excludes the supernatural a priori.

    Like creationist theology, it presumes a straightforward understanding of Genesis, and that Genesis is at least historically accurate, and at most inerrant. Unlike creationist theology, however, it attempts to use the scientific method to demonstrate a scientific and historical consistency with the recorded events.

    Like science grounded in philosophical naturalism, it attempts to use physical evidence and science to explore theories of origins. Unlike mainstream science, however, it holds that the study of natural phenomena can reveal evidence of supernatural events and direct action by a God.

    Not all creationists believe in creation science, and Old Earth creationists tend to be notably less forceful in their opinions. It should also not be confused with intelligent design, which purports not to make any theological assumptions, although creationary scientists do make use of intelligent design arguments.

    Although creationists do use the teleological argument for the existence of God, this is less strong as it is presumed a priori.

    Creation science is not recognised by the mainstream scientific community, who consider it to be pseudoscience. However, it would seem that the creation-evolution issue is unimportant for most practical science, especially physics and chemistry, and even most biological research:

    "The subject of evolution occupies a special, and paradoxical, place within biology as a whole. While the great majority [of] biologists would probably agree with Theodosius Dobzhansky's dictum that "nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution", most can conduct their work quite happily without particular reference to evolutionary ideas. "Evolution" would appear to be the indispensible unifying idea and, at the same time, a highly superfluous one.' (Wilkins, A.S., 2000. Evolutionary processes: a special issue, BioEssays 22:10511052).

    Creation science has been described by its proponents as a useful alternative to a simple rejection or ignoring of the theistic conceit. They view their attempts at incorporating a God into scientific investigation as a way of accepting a larger context for the natural world and empirical science. Creation scientists, therefore, explicitly reject the idea that nature can be explained completely naturalistically, they instead argue that there are things in nature which defy such an explanation and ther

  63. 500,000? So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    500k sure *sounds* like an impressive number of articles... But what's it worth?

    When you actually dig into the 'pedia you find half written page after half written page. You find page after page of poorly re-written (or simply cut 'n pasted) material from sites like FAS.org and public domain sites. You find obscure anime that has an article about each character. You find a hundred pages on the The Simspons... And one page for every character ever mentioned in LOTR.

    Wikipedia has had an unhealthy fascination with numbers for a long time. It's time to start concentrating on quality and correctness.

  64. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by Yath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That sounds pretty odd. Nothing like the Wikipedia I know. How about linking to the edits you made, and the user talk page where you were warned to quit it? Your comment is almost like an accusation, so some evidence would appropriate.

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  65. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it was here, if I remember correctly.

  66. Put your money where your mouth is by bezuwork's+friend · · Score: 1

    Hah! In thinking of interesting but unlikely topics, I thought of lawn ornament and was surprised that it didn't exist in Wikipedia yet (with all the fun of pontificating on the tackiness of pink flamingos and gnomes), so I started it. Anyone with good photographs, please help!

  67. Why don't you .... by ggvaidya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    stop it from happening? It's as easy as "Edit this page" ...

  68. Don't you mean... by Seoulstriker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your mileage may vary....

    Your kilometerage may vary?

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    1. Re:Don't you mean... by Markaci · · Score: 1

      "Your Klicks May Vary" sounds better.

  69. Abortion is controversial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Abortion
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    Abortion, in its most common usage, refers to the voluntary or induced termination of pregnancy, generally through the use of surgical procedures or drugs. As a result, birth does not take place. Medically, the term also refers to the early termination of a pregnancy by natural causes ("spontaneous abortion" or miscarriage), which ends one in five of all pregnancies, usually within the first thirteen weeks, or to the cessation of normal growth of a body part or organ. What follows is a discussion of the issues related to deliberately induced abortion.

    Since 1972, the medical definition of pregnancy in the United States requires that implantation has already occurred. According to this definition, emergency contraceptives do not interfere with pregnancy. Some people believe the zygote is a human being with the same moral standing as an implanted embryo before pregnancy actually starts.

    "Morning after" or "emergency" contraceptive drugs that are taken within 72 hours of sex interfere with the release of eggs from the ovary or with fertilization. In cases where the egg has already been released, if conception occurs the zygote will implant successfully regardless of emergency contraception use. There is no fetotoxic 'backup chemical' found in current formulations of emergency contraception: if ovulation occurs, conception will probably follow and the emergency contraceptive will have failed. Some studies suggest that emergency contraceptives can thin the uterine lining and thus interfere with implantation of a zygote. If true, this also happens with normal birth control pills taken regularly as well. These drugs (i.e. the morning after pill and all hormonal contraceptives) are potentially abortifacient. It is fairly common for conception to occur but implantation to fail, even without the use of emergency contraception or birth control.
    Contents [showhide]
    1 Methods of abortion
    2 Possible side effects

    2.1 Postabortion psychological issues
    2.2 Postabortion physical issues
    3 Abortion law
    4 Abortion as a political issue
    5 The debate about abortion
    6 Related topics
    7 External links

    7.1 Politically neutral links
    7.2 Pro-choice links
    7.3 Pro-life links
    [edit]

    Methods of abortion

    Depending on the stage of pregnancy, an abortion is performed by a number of different methods. Chemical abortion (or Medical Abortion as opposed to Surgical Abortion) is the usual method when it is induced during the first nine weeks. The procedure consists of administering either methotrexate or mifepristone (RU-486) followed by administration of misoprostol. Approximately eight percent of these abortions require surgical followup, usually by vacuum aspiration (See below).

    In the first fifteen weeks, suction-aspiration or vacuum abortion is one of the most common methods, replacing the more risky dilation and curettage (D & C). Manual vacuum aspiration or MVA abortion consists of removing the embryo by suction using a manual syringe, while Electric vacuum aspiration or EVA abortion uses suction produced by an electric pump to remove the embryo. From the fifteenth week up until around the eighteenth week a surgical dilation and evacuation (D & E) is used. D & E consists of opening the cervix of the uterus and emptying it using surgical instruments and suction.

    Dilation and suction curettage consists of emptying the uterus by suction using a different apparatus. Curettage is cleaning the walls of uterus with a curette. Dilation and curettage (D & C) is a standard gynaecological procedure performed for a variety of reasons, such as examination.

    As the fetus size increases, other techniques must be used to induce abortion in the third trimester. Premature expulsion of the fetus can be induced with prostaglandin; this can be coupled with injecting the amniotic fluid with saline or urea solution. Very late abortions can be brought about by the controversial intact dilation and ex

  70. No, What Wikipedia needs now... by anaesthetica · · Score: 1

    ...is love, sweet love, no not just for one, but for eeeeeveryoooooone!!

  71. How accurate is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
    Shortcut:
    WP:AD

    If an article links to this page, it is because someone is concerned that the article may be significantly inaccurate. Such articles have the following warning at the top: "The factual accuracy of this article is disputed: see talk:ARTICLENAME".

    The accuracy of an article may be a cause for concern if:

    * It contains a lot of unlikely information, without providing references.
    * It contains information which is particularly difficult to verify.
    * In, for example, a long list, some errors have been found, suggesting that the list as a whole may need further checking.
    * It has been written (or edited) by a user who is known to write inaccurately on the topic.

    edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Templat e:Page_fixing_tools&action=edit)
    Ways to fix a page
    Topic specific guidelines WikiProject - For guidelines on the format of everything from Saints to Mammals
    Pages needing content work To-do list - Per page lists of jobs to-do.
    Peer review - For pages that are close to Featured Article status
    Requests for expansion
    Pages needing attention - For pages which need serious attention from someone familiar with their subject
    Cleanup - For pages that don't fit above.
    Cleanup resources - A collection of resources for organizing cleanup efforts
    Images for cleanup - For images that need improvement
    Inaccurate or POV pages Accuracy dispute
    NPOV dispute
    Multiple pages on the same subject Duplicate articles - To request that two or more pages be merged together.
    One page on multiple subjects Disambiguation - when "articles about two or more different topics have the same natural title".
    Articles to be split - one article that should broken up into more because multiple topics are covered.
    Dictionary definitions Things to be moved to Wiktionary - To request a page be moved to Wiktionary.
    Non-English pages Pages needing translation into English - To request attention to non-English content in the English Wikipedia.
    Deletion Deletion policy - To start the process of deleting a page
    Copyright problems Copyright problems - For pages which may violate copyright

    A related collaboration mechanism is concerned with disputed statements.

    If you come across an article with an accuracy warning, please do the following:

    * Don't remove the warning simply because the material looks reasonable: please take the time to properly verify it.
    * visit the talk page to see what the issues are
    * correct it right away if you can. Please take the time to properly verify it. Please also add to the article any sources you used to verify the information in it: see cite your sources.

    If you come across an article whose content seems or is inaccurate, please do the following:

    * correct it right away if you can. Please take the time to properly verify it. Please also add to the article any sources you used to verify the information in it: see cite your sources.
    * if the neutrality of the content is in question, please look at Wikipedia:NPOV dispute

    * if only a few statements seem inaccurate:
    o insert {{dubious}} after the relevant sentence or paragraph
    o insert a "Disputed" section in the talk page to describe the problem
    o request peer review to obtain correct information

    * if there are more than five dubious statements, or if a dispute arises:
    o insert a "Disputed" section in the talk page to describe the problem. This will help focus contributions from others.
    o paste {{disputed}} in the beginning of the article to add a general warning. Check dispute resolution for ways to resolve it
    o request peer review to obtain correct information
    o if you find that the article remains unnoticed, you can draw more

  72. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by adolfojp · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do not anthropomorphize my information!!!

    Cheers,
    Adolfo

  73. Solution to use as a reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You say "but have been burned by markers who actually look up the content (as I would want them to do anyway!), and the content has changed."

    Solution: find the wikipedia page you want. Check out the discussion page, the external links, the internal links, and use the history page to get diffs of some of the changes. Decide which version of all the versions (yes every one is available) you want. Click on that version, then use its URL as your reference. Now you know from your own research what to believe and your URL points at a specific version of the page, not just the latest.

    1. Re:Solution to use as a reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From one Anonymous Coward to another, I thank you!

  74. Dictionary == Limited Encyclopedia by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    If you mean that the topic of cows is too simple to warrant an encyclopedia entry about it, then I must disagree. I don't think there is any subject related to nature or human endeavour that is remotely "simple", except when glanced over by a passer-by. A dairy farmer could probably right a book on cows, cow technology, cow behaviour, and how all that relates to his philosophy of life and why his kid is studying rocket science at university.

    1. Re:Dictionary == Limited Encyclopedia by sunhou · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A dairy farmer could probably right a book on cows, cow technology, cow behaviour, and how all that relates to his philosophy of life and why his kid is studying rocket science at university.

      First, I think you mean "write", not "right".

      Second, I have a book I inherited from my great-grandfather (a farmer). The book was published in 1944, and is called "Cowphilosophy". No joke. The subtitle is "The Art of Practical Dairy Practice". Inside the front cover, before the title page, is a page with some pictures of cows, and the text:

      We Are Your Cows
      We have to eat what you provide.
      Drink what you give us.
      Live where you put us.
      We may be good cows or we may not.
      We may be healthy, or we may not.
      We may be comfortable or we may not.
      We may be profitable, or we may not ---
      So much depends on you, the dairyman.
      THE FIRST REQUISITE OF A PROFITABLE DAIRY BUSINESS IS A GOOD DAIRYMAN!

      (Strange but true. I love having that book on my shelf. I didn't grow up to be a farmer, though. I ended up getting a PhD in applied math. But I can always consult my Cowphilosophy book when I need some real wisdom.)

    2. Re:Dictionary == Limited Encyclopedia by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      *sigh* Yes, I meant "write". But I think the bad spelling in online communities is starting to become contagious. Lately, I've caught myself writing "one" as "whon" and performing all sorts of other atrocities ;/ Sounds like a good book :) Reminds me a lot of the kind of thing you get in China/Japan: the Tao of this, the way of that: all about the philosophy and beauty of something that seems very basic to the untrained eye :)

  75. Children of the Encyclopedia World by CarpetShark · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, Encyclopædia Britannica is listed in Wikipedia, which obviously makes EB some sort of child of Wikipedia. Since EB is unaware of its parentage, we can only assume it's some sort of poor orphan child, or... err... something less legitimate ;)

  76. Easy by Kappelmeister · · Score: 1

    So, how would you like to find out what the acronym "COW" means then?

    That's what Acronym Finder is for.

    AF sort of functions like a wiki, too, by the way.

  77. Re:Bankrate.com NOT by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

    This is beside the point - niether bankrate.com (which does not really present cd rates in a usable form), or the much better money-rates.com or ibankdesign.com is the equivalent of open source, and it shows

    I disagree with your financial analysis also, but that is another discussion.

  78. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by notque · · Score: 1

    Wikipedia isn't an example of information wanting to be free, it's an example of groupthink spinning out of control. Has it changed dramatically in the last few months? I may return if it has, but if not it's just another example of a failed ideology.

    I think it's much more of an example of people not wanting to write a full anything anymore.

    Not that there's anything wrong with being lazy, just sayin.

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  79. Oh, Sweet Recursion by Jameth · · Score: 2, Funny

    For anyone who doesn't know about wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia

  80. Re:Bankrate.com NOT by dave1g · · Score: 1

    I know this isn't exactly the proper place to discuss this.

    Could you explain why i was wrong about the analysis?

    Looking at the money-rates site, i would have to lock away my money for 6 months to get in the 3.25% apy range. And on most of the banks you do have to have 1k, 2k, 5k, or even 10k deposited.

    While I have $5000+ from savings over my life it is what I live off of while I'm at school (daily expenses, parents, or more like loans, pay my tuition and rent) and so I cant lock away my money in a CD. It is needed daily (well monthly when I pay off my credit card bill, which I try to use all the time to build credit, don't worry I pay the bitch off each month)

    And given that the interest rate on the MMAs have been rising steadily (as have CDs) wouldn't it be best to ride the wave jumping instead of getting a slightly higher rate now, but keeping it for 6 months when by then my MMA rate will have increased atleast 1% higher.

  81. Why should I waste my life fighting a gang? by Baldrson · · Score: 1

    Gangs operate as gangs because the individuals are weak on their own. They have a _lot_ of incentive to make sure they dominate any place integrity might show its face. When you have people of integrity they generally stand as individuals and simply have too much to deal with in a world that protects weak individuals.

    1. Re:Why should I waste my life fighting a gang? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you point out a singl example of this "bias"? Or better yet, change something that you think is biased and then show us how it gets changed back?

      Also, find it musing that you accuse Wikipedia of bias, and then suggest sveral blatantly biased sources as alternatives.

  82. Contempt for the commoners. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps this isn't the answer you were looking, for but here is an independent audit of Britannica, showing errors that have been corrected in Wikipedia.

    The point of the audit is not, I think, that Wikipedia is an authoritative source and Britannica is not. It is, rather, that if you think a source is infallible, or even vaguely infallible, you're fooling yourself.

    Furthermore, Britannica doesn't have anything comparable to the Countering Systemic Bias project.

    But you do have a point. I would like to see external audits of Wikipedia's featured articles versus their Britannica equivalents (though I doubt Britannica has an article about the heavy metal umlaut), and comparing that to an audit of random non-stub articles at least six months old versus their Britannica equivalents, and comparing that to an audit of random articles from the entire pool.

    --grendel drago

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
    1. Re:Contempt for the commoners. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see such an audit. In fact, rather than compare WP to EB, with EB the benchmark, I'd like to see such an audit comparing WP, EB, the World Book, and a variety of other "encyclopedias". I'd like to see some kind of metrics of how they each stake out their infospaces, and their territories in the universal infospace now available to everyone on the Internet.

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  83. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by ikkonoishi · · Score: 2, Funny

    But information wants to be anthropomorphized.

    It makes it feel all warm and fuzzy.

  84. Interview with Jimmy Wales in News@Nature by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

    There's a News@Nature.com about Wikipedia, which includes an interview with Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales. For those who aren't familiar with it, Nature is pretty much the most widely-read scholarly research journal out there.

  85. Lawyers by ari_j · · Score: 1

    I interviewed for a job with a law firm and one of them was talking about Wikipedia. When American lawyers catch onto something, you know you've penetrated the technophobosphere.

    1. Re:Lawyers by kabz · · Score: 1

      hee hee, I read that as techno-bubba-sphere. That seems appropriate somehow.

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  86. Where are the links? by tepples · · Score: 1

    I went and wikified (added links to) your lawn ornament article. Sometimes you don't need to add photographs if you're linking to articles with good photographs.

    1. Re:Where are the links? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because of course, the intar web is forever, and all pictures you link to will always be there in the future.

    2. Re:Where are the links? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia does not allow direct links to images outside Wikimedia Foundation servers. If an image is deleted from a Wikimedia project, there's usually a darn good reason, such as urine-poor quality or a copyvio.

    3. Re:Where are the links? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they allow links just not direct inclusion of images

      still its frowned upon in most cases except where there is no other real choice

  87. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I see claims every once in a while whenever a WP article appears on Slashdot. Yet, I've never seen a link to such changes so that people can look at your changes and validate your assertion that your changes are not crazy political trolling.

    Can you please post a link to the changes you submitted, and if you can't do that, your username?

  88. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by adolfojp · · Score: 1

    I would mod you up as funny, but it would create a space time paradox that would destroy the whole universe.

    Cheers
    Adolfo

  89. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Redundant is the only possible moderation.

  90. listen up web masters by manifoldronin · · Score: 1

    All your base are belong to us - er well, half us, half wikipedia.

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  91. Which once again proves my theory... by Mr.Progressive · · Score: 1

    Puppies love David Hasselhoff. Wait... I got that wrong, didn't I? (SFW)

    --
    Okay, so a philosopher, a philologist, and a philatelist walk into a bar...
  92. Quick Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to make one life or death decision today, and you need the most reliable information to help you make it. Do you: a)consult the Wikipedia or b)consult scholarly journals and peer-reviewed, published, articles by leading experts in the field? (Ok, so thats what you would do. Now, WW J D?)

    P.S. The idea that the community of Wikipedians works together to collectively hedge POV bias whereas the bias inherent in a single-authority work, like a traditional encyclopoedia, is flawed. Both works certainly include inescapable bias (as do all human thoughts), but the bias in the single-authority work can be known and discounted by the reader. The Wikipedia is irrevocably worthless to the reader.

  93. Re:Distorted by techy (geeky) stuff by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

    You might wish to amend that to "geeky". It was a good while before the Jewish meaning of "phylactery" was listed above the Dungeons and Dragons meaning (though it finally was changed last year). Somehow, I doubt most people looking in a Real Encyclopedia for "phylactery" are checking on the biological (necrological?) functions of an undead wizard.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phylac te ry
    (Check the history list.)

    Another odd one was Crown of Horns, a nasty piece of magical hardware, also from D&D.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_of_Horns

    When Google first moved from dictionary.com to answers.com (which uses Wikipedia articles), if you typoed "Crown of Thorns" by dropping the T, you'd be offered a definition for the D&D artifact. Basically, typing ANY wikipedia article title (by accident or not) into Google would give you a definition for that, rather than the individual words or likely typos.

    At almost 500K articles, there must have been a few real gems in there. And since I see a lot of Wikipedia names just redirect to other articles, that might've bumped the number of apparent articles up to well over 500K, increasing the likelihood of an incorrect definition if you typed just the right/wrong words in.

    Now, I'll admit that the thought of some myopic old grandma-type looking for an article on Christianity or houseplants landing at an article about dark gods and soul-sucking artifacts is amusing, though it's not exactly how one wants to market oneself to the populace. (Wikipedia - give your granny a heart attack!)

    Evidently oddities like that must have caused someone at Google to alter whatever pattern-matching search of answers.com the definition link uses, because now a lot more searches default to definitions of the individual words. So, in a way, Wikipedia's already proven that it can't be a Google information supplier without a filter in the way to chop out the worst/most technical/most geekly of articles.

  94. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    some evidence would appropriate.

    You must be new here.

  95. Re:Distorted by techy (geeky) stuff by thue · · Score: 1

    Evidently oddities like that must have caused someone at Google to alter whatever pattern-matching search of answers.com the definition link uses, because now a lot more searches default to definitions of the individual words.

    As far as I can see, now the only definitions ever linked are for individual words.

    It is too bad; it was really cool when they were also linking to definitions for combinations; almost all such linked definitions included a wikipedia article.

  96. Wikipedia by Generalisimo+Zang · · Score: 1

    I like Wikipedia :)

    In several cases, between all of the Wikipedia articles on semi-related topics, there's been more usefull information on Wikipedia itself than within all of the external sources for that topic.

  97. the web IS the ultimate wiki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "information demands to be free.... wikipedia extends that idea to everyone on the internet."

    No, the web IS the ultimate wiki.

    Most praise and blame directed at wikipedia applies to the web in general. Just replace in your mind the word 'wikipedia' by the word 'world wide web' as you read these comments. It all fits. Wikipedia is just a locality on the web.

    Reliablity, changability, bias, diversity, nonauthoritivity, anyone can set up a webpage-ness....

  98. So how many by andrewa · · Score: 1

    stories/articles does /. have...?

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  99. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by MerlinTheWizard · · Score: 1

    That's amazing all these people speaking weird languages huh?

  100. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by Dulimano · · Score: 1

    A small case study: Once I made a small addition to an article. It stayed there for a month, intact. Then people started to edit it to make it sound better in English. (I'm not a native English speaker.) But these people definitely didn't understand the topic, so soon my addition was modified to some better-sounding, but factually totally incorrect mess. When I realized this, I got angry, and trolled on the discussion page. I also corrected the mistakes. In an hour, some competent and nice person arrived. He verified my statements, improved my corrections' grammar, added some more material, thanked me for my help, and politely asked me not to indulge in personal attacks. It was really smooth and professional.

  101. YMM*D* by gidds · · Score: 1
    Actually, if we're being precise here, the real problem isn't the unit; it's the verb.

    If your mileage varies, it means that sometimes it's high, and other times it's low. It doesn't remain constant.

    But that's not how the phrase is usually used -- to warn that the mileage you get might not be the same as the mileage I get. In other words, that your mileage may DIFFER from mine.

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    Ceterum censeo subscriptionem esse delendam.

  102. Isn't it a little early for April 1? by fbform · · Score: 1
    Customers who bought titles by David Hasselhoff also bought titles by these artists:

    * Laura Branigan
    * William Shatner
    * Leonard Nimoy

    * Giorgio Moroder
    * Olivia Newton-John



    FYI, Leonard Nimoy singing "Bilbo Baggins" can be found here.

    And people bought William Shatner's songs? Does anyone recall him singing "Rocketman" and "Tambourine Man"?


    "Hey MISter TAMbouRINE man
    Play me a...SONG!"


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    Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
  103. Everything2 by Reverend+Raven · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why hasn't anyone mentioned Everything2 yet?

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    --Reverend Raven
    Desperate days demand dire deeds.
  104. rel="nofollow" by pizzarobot · · Score: 1

    I reciently went to a Wikipedia article which was just full of spam, and when I looked at the HTML source code I noticed that there were no rel="nofollow" or anything similar on any of the links. I belive that previously Wikipedia had this implemented, so why did they decide to stop doing it?

  105. Re:Solution to use as a reference - followup by JimLane · · Score: 1

    If the version you decide you want to cite to is the current one, don't link to it, because that link will go to whatever is current when someone else follows it. Instead, make a trivial non-vandalism edit to the version you want, like adding an extra blank space after the last sentence. The version you want is now no longer the current one and you can create a stable link to it. If you're a neatnik you can then go back and remove the superfluous blank space, but, even as a Wikipedian who hates vandalism, I wouldn't consider that necessary.

  106. Yeah, suck it, e2. [nt] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, suck it, e2.

  107. Non-English Wikipedias by JimLane · · Score: 1

    Indeed there at least 22 non-english language versions of Wikipedia....

    Actually, according to this listing, there are versions of Wikipedia in 159 languages. That tally counts all languages with at least one article other than the Main Page. There are 90 that have at least 100 articles.

  108. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

    I've tried on no less than 7 occasions to make changes or additions to some rather innocuous pages only to return some moments later to a message telling me to stop defacing or trolling the site. I'm not talking about crazy political trolling or anything of that nature, merely additions of relevant links, changes to dates, spelling and grammar mistakes etc..

    I've only done one edit on Wikipedia. It was just a simple formatting thing on a page I came across, where carriage returns in the source text interfered with the indentation of bulleted items. I edited it, and was surprised to see that the changes were immediately there. I was surprised that I didn't have to log in or anything, and that nobody had to review it before the changes were allowed.

    Maybe it was a software bug that was giving you those errors. For a while, I kept getting barred from submitting comments on Slashdot because either "I or someone on my subnet" was trolling the site. I never did any trolling, I didn't have bad karma, or any posts modded down, so I found this confusing. They fixed that bug eventually, though. If you just received an automated message, that could have been exactly the same sort of thing that happened to you, but on Wikipedia.

    It's really good that you've made some effort to contribute - if you come across that sort of thing when you've done nothing wrong, bring it to someone's attention on the site who could review the situation, because for all you know it could be a software error or some malicious users who got into the system to try and mess with it.

  109. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by darc · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, the satire of Wikipedia (Uncyclopedia) is only at 2700 articles. Guess information is easier to write than satire. (Ooor, it could be the few year starting period, the popularity, the sanity...)

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  110. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
    I've tried on no less than 7 occasions to make changes or additions to some rather innocuous pages only to return some moments later to a message telling me to stop defacing or trolling the site.

    A couple of thoughts. Have you created a user account on Wikipedia? It's a very quick process, and it might help, depending on your situation.

    Wikipedia normally tracks contributions by username. For anonymous editors, Wikipedia reports IP addresses. If you're on a computer network where a lot of machines share a single apparent IP address (a university campus or large corporate network behind a gateway machine), your edits might be lumped in with those of less...helpful contributors. If there is someone on your network who regularly defaces Wikipedia, then you might be getting burned for someone else's edits.

    If you're editing as a logged-in user, I can't explain why you would meet such hostility. I've been contributing regularly for the last few months and the community seems to be generally very civil and constructive. As others have requested, could you point us to articles (ideally specific edits) that you've had problems with? If you've been the victim of a troll or vandal (Wikipedia has a few, but certainly not as many as Slashdot) then there are administrative procedures to intervene with problem editors.

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  111. Re:rel="nofollow" - current status by JimLane · · Score: 1

    There was an extensive discussion and vote about this. The view that prevailed (by 85 to 55 in the official vote tabulation) was that the attribute wouldn't be all that effective at stopping spam, that we could clean the spam links in the normal editing process, and that we could help out the good sites we referenced by boosting their Google ranking.

    I was in the minority. I hope that some version of the attribute will be restored in the future. The comment on the vote says, 'More advanced heuristic use of rel="nofollow" is likely to come, when someone has the time to put in the effort to make it work.' Maybe someone reading this has the skills to help out.

    In the meantime, if you see spam in a Wikipedia article, feel free to fix it. The "Edit this page" link is at the top, and the bottom, and the left margin. Be bold!

  112. Nitpick: by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1
    Infoshop's OpenWiki - a general wiki with an anarchist bent (and run in an authoritarian fashion)
    Anarchopedia - a general wiki with an anarchist bent (and run in an anarchic fashion)

    Sorry for nitpicking, but surely "indervidualistic" is more accurate than "authoritarian", and "collaborative" or "communal" rather than "anarchic"?

  113. Re:Distorted by techy (geeky) stuff by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1


    >As far as I can see, now the only definitions
    >ever linked are for individual words.

    Not quite. To extend my previous example:
    http://www.google.com/search?q=crown+of+ thorns

    or...
    http://www.google.com/search?q=jus+soli

    It seems that if it's a multiword phrase that has a (dead tree) dictionary entry, it's still linked as a phrase. Google seems to be using a standard dictionary as its Wikipedia/Answers.com filter.

  114. Or, for a NPOV, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  115. Re:I always find the quantity of non-english artic by JohnFluxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I tracked down an example.

    Your name according to the blog on the website is Paul Smith, and searching for that in wikipedia user talk pages gives 9 hits, most of them bad (for you).

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&sa fe =off&c2coff=1&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=site%3Aen. wikipedia.org+user+%22paul+smith%22&btnG=Search

    You even gained a vote for deletion! Nice going!

    What are you doing wrong, you ask? See this persons talk about you:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rennes-le-Chte au

    You actually wrote, inside an article:
    "Message from Paul Smith: Guess what folks..."

    This is what talk pages are for. The person who removed your commit moved it to the talk page, explained why, and even flagged the article as a non-neutral point of view for you.

  116. Are you Wfgh444? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The previous post said that your name was Paul Smith, and there is a Paul Smith on Wikipedia; AKA Wfgh444 Wfgh444.

    If you are this user, then I can see why your changes were rejected, as you defaced an article to make a point and replaced someone else's user page to make an insult. You should have made an attempt to figure out how talk pages work. Perhaps people were harsh but this is no more groupthink that saying that it is rude to shit on someone's sidewalk.

  117. Well... by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    ... it should be pointed out that Jimbo Wales and many of his "lieutenants", as you say (I wonder if they get bitchin' uniforms) voted to delete the GNAA article, and yet there it stays, because of community (sigh) consensus.

    If everyone seems to disagree with you, have you ever considered the possibility that you might be, y'know, wrong? If you come to Wikipedia to push your POV, there'll be a fight over it. Says so on the box. I know it might be a really foreign concept, but not everyone agrees with you.

    You might also be interested in WikiProject Countering Systemic Bias, which seeks to apply the same effort to articles on, say, the Lord's Resistance Army as they already do on the Ackermann function.

    I'd like to think that folks like you would get further if you didn't have such an axe to grind.

    --grendel drago

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
  118. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FWIW, meta-modded unfair.