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Google Buys Urchin Web Analytics

sho222 writes "Business Week, BMP Today, and others are reporting that Google agreed late Monday to aqcuire Urchin Software Corporation. Urchin boasts that their web analytics and marketing intelligence software is used by millions of sites worldwide and 20% of Fortune 500 companies. Google's VP of Product Management explains that, "This technology will be a valuable addition to Google's suite of advertising and publishing products." The deal is set to close in late April."

112 comments

  1. ok then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so now that google is getting big and scary, where the hell am i supposed to search at?

    don't say a9, it sucks.

    1. Re:ok then by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about vivisimo? The name sucks, but the tool is great.

    2. Re:ok then by gitana · · Score: 1
      This is pretty good: http://www.alltheweb.com/

      If you have a mac and want a great search tool try DevonAgent:
      http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/devonag ent/overview.php

    3. Re:ok then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Devon Technologies?

      I had no idea that my favorite porn star had a software company.

    4. Re:ok then by Momoru · · Score: 1

      wow thats a great search engine, and nifty too. Why isn't Google improving their search anymore? /Begin Office Space Impression/ I can get free email anywhere. I come to Google for the Search results and the flair.

  2. Sea life now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Soon nothing will escape Google's tentacly grasp.

  3. Google's already been there. by digitalgimpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I found this image on the website here.

    Google had a decent stake for a while ;-)

  4. This is pretty exciting. by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In addition to being the penultimate search engine, Google is becoming quite feature-rich as well. It's pretty interesting to realize the subtle way in which they've risen to the top by simply providing what people want -- no more, no less -- in this age when we are saturated with online advertising on every other Internet site.

    So cheers to Google.

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    1. Re:This is pretty exciting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you like a towel or a rug or something? Your knees must be pretty sore.

    2. Re:This is pretty exciting. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Funny

      In addition to being the penultimate search engine

      What is the ultimate search engine?

      (If I get a Hitchhicker's Guide answer, I'm going to strangle someone.) ;-)

    3. Re:This is pretty exciting. by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 4, Informative
      In addition to being the penultimate search engine

      Google is the next to last search engine?

    4. Re:This is pretty exciting. by hey · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Er, "penultimate" means second last. Is that that you mean?

    5. Re:This is pretty exciting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      42

    6. Re:This is pretty exciting. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Wrong answer. Obviously, you have not read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. NEXT!

    7. Re:This is pretty exciting. by brontus3927 · · Score: 1
      Google Inc. said late Monday it has agreed to acquire Urchin Software Corp., which makes software to help companies analyze the traffic at their Web sites.
      Isn't this what Google does anyway for their advertising? Yousing keywords from your search or email (for gmail) to give the user relevant advertising? It makes sense to me that this company would be something to be of interest to Google. If they can provide advertising that is more relevant to the consumer, the comsumer is more likely to utilize the advertisement, and then Google can command a higher advertising rate based on higher success. Google wins, advertiser wins, consumer wins. Nobody looses.
    8. Re:This is pretty exciting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You do know that your troll won't get saved in the Slashdot archives, nor will it show up by default to an unregistered user, right? Which means that Google will never see it, which means that the SpamBots won't see it either. YOU FAIL IT!!~!@!OIIII!!!!!

    9. Re:This is pretty exciting. by morten+poulsen · · Score: 2, Funny

      Earth?

    10. Re:This is pretty exciting. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      LOL! Close, very close. :-)

      The answer is, "The search engine that comes after Google." Which, if you think about it, makes for a really annoying reason to use the word "penultimate". :-)

    11. Re:This is pretty exciting. by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      Will google design the search engine that comes after it? Will it give us the search criteria, instead of the results?

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    12. Re:This is pretty exciting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no it's the antepenultimate!

    13. Re:This is pretty exciting. by Agarax · · Score: 0
      In addition to being the penultimate search engine, Google is becoming quite feature-rich as well. It's pretty interesting to realize the subtle way in which they've risen to the top by simply providing what people want -- no more, no less -- in this age when we are saturated with online advertising on every other Internet site.

      Penultimate mean next to last ...
      http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=penultima te
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  5. Politics makes strange bedfellows... by tquinlan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but capitalism makes excellent ones.

    This is an excellent match. It makes perfect sense that a web advertising company would buy a web analytics company, and I can't wait to see the results show up in AdSense.

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    1. Re:Politics makes strange bedfellows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but capitalism makes excellent ones.

      Yeah! Just look at how well AOL Time Warner worked out!

  6. i hope by eobanb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just hope that Google stays consumer and user-oriented instead of investing more time in arcane fields like traffic analysis, or the route IBM has gone, "e-solutions." This seems like a step in the wrong direction; it's not like Google is seeking to be recognised among high-profile companies....Google, isn't it time to start writing end-user software?

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    1. Re:i hope by mboos · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was actually taken back by how much Google employees will stand by the principle of meeting end-user needs.

      At a information session for Google at our university, they showed us how they could make graphs of frequency statistics for certain search words. Sort of the stuff you'd find in the Google Zeitgeist but as a graph for a particular word over time. For example, they showed a graph for a search on 'Summer Olympics' which spiked during the most recent Winter Olympics.

      I asked them if Google had ever considered selling some of these statistics to businesses trying to analyze trends, just in bulk numbers (no privacy violations etc). I would figure it would be easy for them to implement, and another source of revenue. The presenters (who were actual engineers for Google, not just some PR folks) frowned upon that idea because they claimed that "it would not directly benefit end users." I asked how it could harm the user, but they insisted that if the user were not to benefit from it, they were not going to consider doing it.

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    2. Re:i hope by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      After going public, do people really expect google to be the same? To continue looking good on wallstreet, they'll have to sell anything. Even becoming more evil, and playing dirty.

    3. Re:i hope by harvardian · · Score: 1

      The acquisition of Urchin doesn't necessarily mean that Google is moving into the traffic analysis market in a big way. My guess is that this will simply be used for improved reporting to adwords and adsense users.

    4. Re:i hope by bcattwoo · · Score: 1
      I asked them if Google had ever considered selling some of these statistics to businesses trying to analyze trends, just in bulk numbers (no privacy violations etc). I would figure it would be easy for them to implement, and another source of revenue. The presenters (who were actual engineers for Google, not just some PR folks) frowned upon that idea because they claimed that "it would not directly benefit end users."

      Sure the engineers say they wouldn't do it and the PR folks probably would say they wouldn't do it, but what about the people who are in charge of watching the bottom line? I'm sure that there are/were some engineers at SCO that had no problem with Linux and look how that turned out. Besides even if they were just engineers, you can be sure that they are coached somewhat on how to promote the proper company image before they are sent out for these information sessions. I'm not saying that they were necessarily being dishonest but anytime a company is out promoting itself you have to take whatever is said with a grain of salt.

    5. Re:i hope by cpeterso · · Score: 1


      Assuming ads are inevitable, users do, in fact, benefit from targeted ads and content.

    6. Re:i hope by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      * Re:i hope (Score:1)
      by cpeterso (19082) Alter Relationship on Tuesday March 29, @05:53PM (#12082840)
      (http://www.lawfulneutral.com/)

      Assuming ads are inevitable, users do, in fact, benefit from targeted ads and content.*

      well, then another money revenue source would benefit the user as well. another money revenue source that would not force adverts on to the user even!

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  7. I do love google by CSMastermind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    However I worry about their rapid asscention into a computer gaint. With this purchase they add to their already impressive profile as an inovative technology leader. I'm sure MS looked much the same way back in the early 90s. I've been using yahoo more lately but their interface is far too confused to make me want to use them regualarly. Now repersents a time when google open to an attack from a well directed company who has the software to compete with them in the scearch market. Lets hope that google doesn't go monoply on us.

    1. Re:I do love google by tquinlan · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not far too confused, you just don't know the proper place to start your searches:

      search.yahoo.com

      Nice and clean, easy to use.

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    2. Re:I do love google by GothicX · · Score: 1

      Or.. search.msn.com =)

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    3. Re:I do love google by liberty4US · · Score: 1

      I agree though on everyone's comments, but for some strange reason (quality), I prefer Google and their innovation over larger, more well known companies...hmm...can we say MS?

  8. Urchin Rocks by filmmaker · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've been singing the high praises of Urchin 6 (this is the promo piece) since I first saw it. Urchin 5 in and of itself is pretty addictive. The ROI tracking stuff and some of the other analyses that 6 provides will do wonders in terms of consolidating report generation and I suppose now AdSense and AdWords and things like that will be part of the package as well.

    I for one, welcome our web analytics search data ROI overlords.

    1. Re:Urchin Rocks by ShinGouki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      urchin does, in fact, rock.
      i've deployed it on a bunch of systems with varying needs from 14gig logfiles to 10,000+ website environments and it has handled everything i've thrown at it, done it faster and better than any other stats software i've ever seen.

      now that it's been bought by google i'm assuming it will get even better since urchin's cutting-edge approach to statistical analysis matches perfectly with google's unique approach to coding

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    2. Re:Urchin Rocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      One thing it didn't have (last time I evaluated these tools) was a way of distributing credit among multiple advertising programs.

      For example, one thing we noticed is that paid search engine terms did *MUCH* better in cities where we also did radio advertising.

      As far as I can tell, when counting ROI for search engine terms, Urchin would count the entire purchase to even though most of the money that contributed to those purchases may have been spent in radio.

      It's a nice simple tool; but except for the pretty pictures you can get more value from building your own data warehouse in mysql or postgresql and writing your own reports.

    3. Re:Urchin Rocks by happymedium · · Score: 1

      Our overlords are urchins??

    4. Re:Urchin Rocks by SEO+Guy · · Score: 1

      I agree. I have used a lot of analytical packages and I have found that Urchin is far and away the best. However, the reason Urchin was not (until now) as well-known as it should be is due to its cost, which is a little prohibitive for the average mom & pop website business. Indeed, my own experience of using Urchin comes largely from using version 4, which is bundled as part of hosting with some vendors. I hope Google reduces the cost. I wouldn't be surprised either to see Google introducing a souped-up, XSLT-based interface.

  9. Marketing Analysis Bot says: by Rac3r5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I know what you bought last summer. :p

    1. Re:Marketing Analysis Bot says: by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      Or more for Google, I know what bot you bought this spring.

  10. Can they do no wrong? by numLocked · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I feel like a should be scared of how much influence and power Google is gaining - any corporation that size just HAS to evil, doesn't it? But they keep impressing me! Like Google Maps is 100x better than mapquest. They just keep rolling out great features, so I can't bring myself to fear them.

    1. Re:Can they do no wrong? by Momoru · · Score: 1
      Google maps is better in appearance and speed, but thats about it...it is still well beta...it cant find things that are even shown on its map, its so frustrating. For example look for Solomons Island, MD ...it thinks i'm looking for a doctor, instead of assuming the state of maryland first...and even when i type out maryland it cant find it, despite it being shown on the map. Or Dane County Airport in wisconsin...or Anderson St which is shown on their airport...very frustrating. Though neat looking. Plus once Google maps got me way lost in the ghetto cuz it showed a street that wasn't there. I know its beta, but you and I both know that beta for google means "wink wink, buy some stock, we have a map program".

      Google news is much less organized and frustrating then Yahoo news, and Googles search is no better then Yahoo or MSN's lately. I don't quite understand all the people that are still so Google about Google. And this latest purchase isnt an example of Do No Evil...its not a counter they are going to give for free to people to host on free googlecities websites, its for people to track their ad revenue better.

    2. Re:Can they do no wrong? by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm guessing they're divertifying their markets incase microsoft does end up with the dominant search engine (it shouldn't happen, but it could - ive been seeing a lot of adverts on TV for msn search recently (UK) and it'l be the default search engine in IE7.

    3. Re:Can they do no wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google maps will find Solomons Island if you use the correct name, which is "Solomons". It finds Dane County Airport if you use the town name (Madison). I have no idea what Anderson Street you're talking about because you don't mention a city or a state, and I bet Google doesn't know either.

    4. Re:Can they do no wrong? by DogDude · · Score: 1

      any corporation that size just HAS to evil, doesn't it?

      Sure, if you have the brain capacity of a 4 year old (or the current US President) and need to break down everything in the world into "Good" and "Evil". First off, there is no such thing as "Evil". It's something for fairy tales. Secondly, a corporation isn't an entity in and of itself. They may have a culture, but a corporation is nothing but a group of people. Thirdly, corporations come in all different shapes and sizes. Most non-business people (like IT people, students, etc.) know virtually nothing about the business world other than the consumer products that they buy.

      The world ain't black and white kid. It'd be a lot simpler if it were, but it ain't. "Big, Evil Corporations" only exist in the movies.

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    5. Re:Can they do no wrong? by Patrick+Mannion · · Score: 1

      I think Google Maps looks good over all, I mean cool thing is it's flash, so it's way much eaiser to scroll somewhere (like around my town) without hearing the click and image loading. What I can't wait for is for them start adding overhead images taken by Keyhole. Google News does seem unorganized. But mind you it's like Google, Google Image Search and Froogle. It shows a quick summary then you click the link and it's hosted on the site the story is from, unlike with Yahoo! News where it's acutally hosted on Yahoo.

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    6. Re:Can they do no wrong? by CurlyG · · Score: 1

      Google Maps is not in flash at all, it's 100% done in HTML and Javascript. Even more impressive.

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    7. Re:Can they do no wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think by flash the grandparent mean "pizzaz" and "umph".

    8. Re:Can they do no wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah, that's what I get for posting 5 minutes after waking up and before I've finished my 1st cup of coffee... thanks for the clarification

    9. Re:Can they do no wrong? by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

      "Big, Evil Corporations" only exist in the movies.

      What about Microsoft?

  11. Urchin + Adsense by Rightcoast · · Score: 2

    This makes perfect sense for Google. I would expect the Urchin software to begin "recommending" the use of a larger adsense/adwords campaign very soon, and that means a bigger war chest for Google.

  12. Former Urchin User by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was lucky enough to use Urchin for a good year to 18 months when I was a customer of RackShack/Ev1Servers. I was given a free/cheap license as part of my server package and ran it, checking it religiously for its beautiful charts and stat counters.

    When the SCO/ev1 scandal broke out, I got really emotional and cancelled my EV1 account that week.

    I was soon back to Analog and Webalizer, both great and cheap tools, but none could ever compare. An Urchin license cost in the hundreds so I couldn't afford it.

    I hope Google does the sensible thing (like they did for Keyhole) and make a good cheap version of this available for small time hobbyist web admins so I can return back to Urchin.

  13. deWORSification by Mrs.+Grundy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Peter Lynch, in his pop-investor books, talks about young companies who suddenly come into a lot of cash through an IPO and stop innovating and try to grow via purchases of ever-expanding diversity. He calls this deworsification when companies grow out of their expertise. This isn't always bad--a company needs to grow after all--but it can often be a sign of a company that isn't going to be innovating the same way. Now, it's not like google just went out and bought a fast-food franchise (although 'google burger' has a nice ring to it), but If I was a stock holder in google I might be looking closely at this strategy and start looking around for another innovative start-up whose valuation isn't so high and who is concentrating on a smaller array of products.

  14. Re:Enter the crackpots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not the universe; just Slashdot.

  15. Not all that significant by bradleyland · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'd venture that if you look at the bot referrer log for most sites, Googlebot is at or near the top most of the time. That's just a simple screenshot reflecting what's likely in a production environment.

    1. Re:Not all that significant by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      That's what you think. Ever been slammed by Inktomi? The damn bot just keeps coming! It doesn't stop, it just keeping hitting the same URLs over and over and over! I've seen it account for as much as 50% of a websites hits for a given month!

    2. Re:Not all that significant by geoffspear · · Score: 4, Funny
      Damn... you mean all those MSN Bot hits on my site don't mean I'm about to get bought out by Microsoft for millions of dollars?

      Excuse me, I'm got a Ferrari to return.

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    3. Re:Not all that significant by Duck1123 · · Score: 1

      I wonder how much all the Texas Hold'em and Online Poker sites will pay when the eventually buy me out. I tons of hits.

  16. A better branding fit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    As long as Google is acquiring like mad, maybe they should buy out listerine and rename it:

    Guuuuuurgle.

  17. April 1 comes early this year by soundproofing.noise · · Score: 0

    yes, yes, yes,
    more joke to come soon..........

    1. Re:April 1 comes early this year by soundproofing.noise · · Score: 0

      just wait to see what gogol has planned for godot.

  18. Will they do something about the bloat? by nathan+s · · Score: 2, Informative

    I run a few websites on a managed dedicated server and one of the tools that we're offered is Urchin (version 5, I believe). I generally use awstats instead. Urchin is painfully slow to use and has the most horrible date-range system for reports that I've ever had the misfortune to use.

    I wonder if Google will clean it up and make it run as smoothly as the main Google search page. It might not make me wince so much to use.

    Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may well vary.

    1. Re:Will they do something about the bloat? by gb506 · · Score: 4, Informative
      My mileage does indeed vary. I bought Urchin 5.x.x last week after doing a competitive analysis of the top contenders in the web analytics market. Urchin beat them all hands down in ver. 5 form, and version 6, which is in operation now as an on-demand service, will be out in software form in the next couple of months. The page overlay functions and goal tracking in 6 are the bee's knees and I cannot wait to use it.

      And you talk about bloat? WebTrends 7 is a 245MB download. The entire Urchin install directory (for OSX) is 15MB decompressed. Hardly bloatware.

    2. Re:Will they do something about the bloat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does code size have anything to do with bloat? A pooorly written 2k program can kill a machine.

    3. Re:Will they do something about the bloat? by mr.dreadful · · Score: 1

      webtrends (the small-business edition) is the saddest, most pathetic piece of software I've ever used. It has a 1.7 GB RAM requirement, and if you don't have enough RAM is corrupts your data. On top of which its horribly slow. Urchin beat the snot out of it performance-wise, although web-trends does have very nice looking reports.

    4. Re:Will they do something about the bloat? by pcgamez · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention how much disc space the analysis files take.

    5. Re:Will they do something about the bloat? by gb506 · · Score: 1

      Well, I just ran 1.78GB of gzipped apache logs encompassing 8,444,145 log lines through Urchin 5 in 5 minutes, 44 seconds. That's reading the log, building the db, and archiving two db copies for backup. And that's on a powebook G4 with a 1.25ghz proc and 512MB of RAM. Hardly "bloatware" as you would say.

    6. Re:Will they do something about the bloat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that it's full of bugs, the Linux versions (6.x) constantly produce zombie processes, the support is useless and when they finally acknowledge that there is a problem with their software, they response is to hope you'll go away if they ignore you.

      It produces different figures depending on where you are in the interface - we even got one of the support people to say that "Its' statistics aren't reliable, but its' reporting of trends is". Oh, and a quad 800Mhz Xeon with 4Gb of RAM and a 300Gb RAID array is apparently not a high enough spec. I have to administer a legacy WebTrends system for a very large media company with hundreds of websites, and it is the bane of my existence.

      We downloaded the Urchin trial pretty much out of exasperation - I just wanted something, anything that was better than WebTrends. Urchin blew me away. It processes logs in lightning quick time (WebTrends at one point was taking more than a day to process one days worth of logs). Urchin did it in around 10 minutes. And this was on a lowly single processor SunFire V100 with 1Gb of RAM. Not to mention it was a steal at around 500 UKP, compared to the 5-figure sum WebTrends wanted for their POS. Plus, you can run it on pretty much any OS platform you want - even Solaris x86 is supported. And if it can't do what you want, they'll write custom reports for you.

      I'm now very curious as to what the Google purchase will bring. We're hoping to try out Urchin 6 when it becomes a downloadable product, I can only hope that Google doesn't scupper it in some way...

  19. Very smart move by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You can deride it as "big brother" etc by the fact is, hyper-tracking of web activity is going to be very very big business.

    Of course there is only so much you can pull out of data, and many firms will get caught up in "analysis paralysis" and over-reliance on back-looking stats instead of risk taking on new ideas, but that realization will only come after billions have been spent chasing the dream of apparently being able to mind-read consumers.

    This is the best web acquisition this year.

    1. Re:Very smart move by gabbarbhai · · Score: 1

      I agree. I've been concerned to such analysis in the past. The only interesting use I can see of such analysis is detecting any loops that the users might routinely be getting 'caught' in while clicking through the site. But that can easily be avoided if enough attention is paid to designing the site in the first place; making it easier to grasp and making the page tree only a few levels deep.
      Apart from that, it's just a toy to amuse the management types who like to keep spitting out graphs and numbers that don't mean much. Amazon.com like analysis, on the other hand, might add to something useful. So yeah, a very smart acquisition.

  20. Coming soon: googlese.cx by hardcorebuttsecks · · Score: 0

    Featuring "The Giver" and "The Reciever".

  21. well by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know some webmasters have expressed their discomfort with Google's conversion tracking because Google gets a rough estimate on the ROI from Adwords campaigns. I wonder if they will have access to the data Urchin collects. If so this could put Google in control of some extraordinarly valuable data.

  22. Well... by dteichman2 · · Score: 1

    This can only make services like Adwords better. YES! NO MORE PSAs!

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  23. GOOGLE IS A STRANGE ANOMALY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Most people hate well run, successful companies. Examples are Walmart, Microsoft etc. Google for some reason is well liked by most people. It must be because it's free. Anyone have any ideas?

    1. Re:GOOGLE IS A STRANGE ANOMALY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about:
      Google hasn't exploited us or other people or done anything underhanded to get their business successfull.

      Examples:
      Wal-Mart - undersell the competition until they're the only game in town then jack the prices up.
      Microsoft - monopoly that behaves like one to the detrement of the rest of us
      Starbucks - need I say more? I don't need a fucking starbucks on every fucking corner.
      Oil Conglomerates - greedy fuckheads

    2. Re:GOOGLE IS A STRANGE ANOMALY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, Google is exploiting you RIGHT NOW. They have expoited millions of people in the last few years.

      The original posters question was really "Why aren't more people on /. noticing this?" and the question still remains.

      Google has done more to invade your privacy than any company in the history of the internet and day by day people just keep blindly exposing themselves to them.

    3. Re:GOOGLE IS A STRANGE ANOMALY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, an in case you need proof:

      Buying Deja News and exploiting the news archive, including the way they underhandedly combine their private groups with usenet making it look liek the same thing.

      G-Mail. 'Nuf said.

      A desktop search engine (the ONLY one) that sends search results BACK to Google for "local" display.

      Do a little "Googling" for the evils of Google, you'd have a hard time reading it all...

  24. it's acutally DEVON technologies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is what irritates me about all their products.

    DEVONagent
    DEVONthink

    so shouty about the name.

  25. Dr, Spock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dr, Spock was a child psyclogist.
    Mr. Spock was on Star-Drek.

    1. Re:Dr, Spock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Yoda said the line. I think that's the point.

  26. Slashdot. by SmokeHalo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Google for nerds. Google that matters.

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    1. Re:Slashdot. by leoboiko · · Score: 1

      I believe you are confusing slashdot with this one.

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  27. i hope-I get to start my own company. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Google, isn't it time to start writing end-user software?"

    Well actually...no. Google is a services company. Software is a means to an end. Not the end. Plus don't forget that "end-user" has a broader definition than just "you", or "consumer". Companies are "end users" too.

  28. another takeover by Phy6 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Your uniqueness will be added to our own.

  29. Urchin is awful by digidave · · Score: 1

    At least it was two years ago when I last used it. The numbers aren't reliable and doesn't have a good tool for building custom reports.

    IMO, Nielson/Netratings is much better. It's the old RedSheriff system and is far better than any other reporting tool I've seen.

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  30. Re:That's all very well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    it's been working for me.

    If its' as bad as you say, I'd send them an email. They, apparently, do read everything that they recieve, so its' worth a try.

    You've had this occur on multiple computers (not just your regular one) I assume?

    Hope that helps.

  31. Google vs. Microsoft by IdJit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can remember not so long ago when most of the X-[acquires/buys/takes over]-Y stories were almost always about Microsoft grabbing up some little company.

    These days, however, it seems like Google's on the takeover shopping spree.

  32. Would have merit if true... by PackMan97 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...of course with GoogleMaps, GoogleSuggest, GMail, GoogleGroups and a host of other innovative best of class apps...I don't see Google sitting around picking their noses.

    Google is creating kick ass products internally and buying best of breed when they see a good fit/missing expertise. Nothing wrong at all with this.

  33. We are not Google's customers, we are product. by refactored · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Never forget, we are not Google's customers.

    We are their product.

    We buy nothing from Google, the advertizers pay Google, not us.

    We are merely eyeballs to sell.

  34. I've said it before, and I'll say it again... by Skudd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google is becoming too big in too short of a period of time. Sure, Microsoft probably exploded just as fast, but look at where it's gotten them: They monopolize the OS and productivity market, using claims that open source is insecure and vulnerable to attacks and source poisoning.

    Yes, there will always be a smaller, less popular alternative, but that doesn't do a whole lot for the person that sees advertisements for Google all over the place. Telling people to just use Google is very analogous to Windows being pushed in classrooms and retail centers.

    Pardon me while I don my tin foil hat.

    1. Re:I've said it before, and I'll say it again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      too bad google has been helping FOSS projects out a lot, look at a whole section of their website devoted to open source. they are going nowhere near the direction of Microsoft, even if they do buy a lot of other companies

    2. Re:I've said it before, and I'll say it again... by Skudd · · Score: 1

      I wasn't referring to their stance on open source. I was referring to their position in the global technology market. Sure, Windows sucks, but that's not the point here. The point is that very few people know that there's an alternative to the "giant", because that's all they see and hear about. Google is headed down that same path, and in the interest of fair trade, it's not a good path to be taking.

  35. Bad news for Search Optimizers? by miller60 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Google seems likely to make its Urchin-based tools available for free to its AdSense publishers and AdWords clients. Google's interest is in making ads more relevant, which in turn allows to to charge more for ads. That won't be happy news for search engine optimization (SEO) specialists who help site owners improve their visibility. If Google is offering user-friendly traffic analysis tools, are site owners likely to pay SEO firms? Some will, but this will make do-it-yourself search optimization much easier.

  36. Inktomi by 0xFCE2 · · Score: 1

    And Inktomi doesn't even get the URLs right. Their spider regularly tries to access URLs on my domain where the path contains elements from other sites - or sometimes the whole path is from another site. It's seriously broken...

  37. mod parent Funny, not Interesting by ReadParse · · Score: 1

    Well it's actually not even terribly funny -- a little. But it definitely wasn't intended to be Interesting.

    RP

  38. Busy day for web analytics news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only did Google buy Urchin, but WebTrends was spun out out NetIQ and Sane Solutions has begun to give away a free (as in beer) version of NetTracker.

  39. Google Hosting back on? by spicytuna · · Score: 1

    It looks like google's hosting rumors are back on after this acquisition.

  40. no no no! by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

    in Soviet Russia "web analyses you!", not "analytics webs you"! Sheesh.

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  41. Can "I" do no [right]? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I feel like a should be scared of how much influence and power Google is gaining "

    Why are you scared of what you gave them?

    "They just keep rolling out great features, so I can't bring myself to fear them."

    Do you want to fear them?