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Mac OS X Tiger Goes Gold
bonch writes "Following up yesterday's story, AppleInsider now reports that Tiger build 8A428 has been deemed the Gold Master for shipping. Sources expect an announcement of Tiger's completion sometime tomorrow." There are far better days to make a product announcement, should a company wish to be taken seriously, but it worked for Gmail!
Apple was founded on an April Fools Day, so this would really be an anniversary event.
8==8 Bones 8==8
shortage of mac minis in the coming weeks
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. - Yogi Berra
Yesterday:
Apple will sometimes seed several final candidate builds before one is declared gold master...'"
Today:
Tiger build 8A428 has been deemed the Gold Master for shipping
Damn that was fast! I can't believe I miss those builds!
It would be the best joke on Microsoft if Apple costumed TIGER as Longhorn.
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An April 1 announcement from Apple actually sort of makes sense, because Apple was incorporated on April 1, 1976. That makes tomorrow Apple's 29th "birthday."
It's good to see that Apple is delivering Tiger on time. Some might even say it's early.
Is there any word about whether they'll offer cheap updates to people who recently bought a Mac? I've heard that they've done so in the past, and I hope that they do again, because I just got my iBook yesterday.
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now if only if i had a computer fast enough to make pearpc usable...
http://www.rayn.net . Funny. Stuff.
So when is Ocelot coming out? And how many big cats are left? Lion, lynx... lynx is overused and probably won't be picked... Any other names?
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
When will new computers ship with this preinstalled? I am considering getting a Powerbook soon, so I hope there will not be a long wait.
The toad can't burp - and for some reason can't fart either, so it swells up and eventually explodes. --Anonymous Coward
I've just been looking at the Tiger preview stuff on Apple's website. it's been there for ages but I never bothered with it until now.
I knew the features were cool but there were a few extra surprises, like in Dashboard there's a language translator that translates your words as you're typing. it looked really cool - he was typing "French fries" which was dynamically translated frenc->francais->pommes frites as more letters were typed. I didn't notice a USA ("Freedom fries") option in the language list though.
Automator looked far cooler than I'd imagined too.
I must say I don't like the new look of the email app though. I love the current skin.
And Tiger is going to be a beautiful release. There are features in it, especially the searching and process automation, that I've been dreaming about for years. The searching technology first appeared in BeOS with its attribute-based filesystem, but the process automation is actually something that a company I worked for ten years ago tried to invent and couldn't get it working properly. When I saw it on Apple's demo page for Tiger, I basically saw exactly the same thing that we tried to do...
All I'm trying to say is that I thoroughly understand the depth of Apple's success with this software, and the technical achievement they made. This is a UNIX that can do so darn much.
actually, apple's been really good with supporting old hardware provided you stuff it with enough ram.
my G4-450 tower is over 6 years old, and works great with the latest version of OS X Panther -- everything is just as snappy as it is on my fairly new powerbook (as far as the os is concerned...). I've been using the latest release of final cut pro on it without a problem for the past few weeks.
can you say that you can use a 6-year old PC without any siginificant upgrades and still run the latest OS and software and be productive with it? Paying $2000 for a machine that will last 6 years is definitely justifiable compared to paying $1000 for a mediocre machine that lasts 2.5 years.
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
Announce on April Fool's day, and then just mine the April Fool's posts on slashdot for good ideas!
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...acccording to Amazon. It's the top Amazon software and electronics item, which is pretty amazing considering it's outselling TurboTax and the iPod.
I ordered mine already, of course...
Apples site already slashdotted - somebody please setup mirror for tiger 8A428.
;)
In the past, when Apple has upgraded their OS versions, they have done the following:
(1) customers who purchased a new Mac 30 days (the exchange peroid) before the announcement get a free upgrade CD in the mail (or at an Apple Store perhaps?)
(2) new Macs being built come with the new OS on the hard drive image from the factory.
(3) computers in inventory get their boxes sliced open and a new OS upgrade CD (DVD?) dropped in. This disk requires the install drive to have an OS on it already, so it is not the same as what comes on the boxed OS CD.
I have also read other reports from people who got a free iLife upgrade because of (1) having that CD dropped in their Macs as a separate disk, not the OS and iLife on a single disk.
This may usher in the era of Mac OS missing iTunes/iPhoto/iMovie/iDVD/Garageband on the same CD - thus reinforcing the concept of iLife as an application suite and the OS as a standalone product. Don't look for these new iLife apps on the Tiger install CDs purchased from the store. (But as always, new Macs come with Mac OS and iLife as well as Quicken.)
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
Seriously though, if you really want to preorder right now, you can do so through Amazon.com and get a $35 rebate too.
New releases of OS X generally run faster than older ones because the OS is relatively new and optimizations are keeping pace with feature adds.
The one thing you'll want is a decent amount of memory. 128 mb hasn't been enough for any previous version, and it's doubtful it'll be enough for 10.4.
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
Will apple ever upgarde the name to mac OS 11? I know that apple OS X name is pretty much like microsoft windows, but hasn't there been enough upgrades to warrent the version name upgrade, or a better question would be how is it they even decided to upgrade the version name by 1?
**** THE PROOF THAT TIGER IS EVIL ****
T I G E R
84 73 71 69 82 - as ASCII values
3 1 8 6 1 - digits added
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3 1 8 6 1 - digits added
Thus, "TIGER" is 31861.
Subtract 97 from the number - this is the year Vesuvius erupted, written backwards. It gives 31764.
Add 0791 to it - this is the year IBM announced S/370, written backwards - you will get 32555.
Subtract 38, the symbol of slavery. The result will be 32517.
Add 1983, the year Microsoft introduced Windows 1.0 - the result is 34500.
Turn the number backwards, and add 1778 - the year Oliver Pollock invented '$', the symbol of exploitation, suffering and injustice. The number is now 2321.
This, when read backwards, gives 1232. This is 666 in octal, the number of the Beast...
Evil, QED.
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Automator has to be one of the coolest things I've seen in a gui.. ever.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/automator.html
It looks like Apple has finally found an elegant way to make a GUI accomplish tasks like these faster than I could at a bash prompt.
"Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness." --Eric Blair
Duke Nukem Forever goes gold!!!
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You paid $100 for an operating system that is already 2 versions old? I have some copies of Windows Me I'll sell you for $80.
That was my experience, exactly. A couple of colleagues and me managed to stave off a Windows-only mandate my college had adopted with a similar message. We stuck our collective necks out to challenge this policy by saying we could upgrade from 9.2 to Panther, plus 21 sticks of 256 MB modules and save a ton of money on our Replace-A-Lab-Every-Three-Years(TM) plan.
These boxes (five-year-old G4 466s/30MB) cost a pretty penny in their day, but there was really nothing wrong with them, save one or two failed HDDs. They are used for introductory graphics courses and Photoshop labs, and even compared to today's blazers, they are perfect for a teaching environment.
The lab, which is utilized about 26 hours a week, is well into its second semester with nary a hiccup and ZERO maintenance.
I don't know if it will change the mind of our 'Doze-centric admin in the long run, but I admit I chuckle when a two-month old Dell lab box gets pwn3d or upchucks on its own hardware far more frequently than it should.
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So for the final release of an OS X variant, you think Apple will say screw it, and decide to call it... OX?
Miserable troll. You bought JAGUAR? For a hundred dollars? Where exactly? eBay? If you are not a troll you are just plain dumb.
Panther is 10.3.
Jaguar was 10.2.
Tiger will be 10.4.
The machine I'm typing this on had one significant upgrade since I got it in high school. (I finished grad school a few months ago.) That was my 300MHz to 750MHz CPU upgrade. Man, I was livin' large back then, telling myself I'd just get a doubled CPU speed every year and a half. That kinda stopped when I didn't have the spare cash, and hasn't started up since.
Well, and that 20GB hard drive I splurged on. My root partition is still on the original 2GB, though.
I'd like to have a few new things, like USB 2.0 (though I could just get a card for that) or Serial ATA so I never have to see a fucking ribbon cable again. I may not play World of Warcraft on it, but it does the same thing it did years ago---runs Opera, runs my little perl programs, and runs gaim. Old gaim.
Though, because PCs are so modular, you get into a "best axe I ever had, three new handles, five new blades" thing. If you upgrade the RAM, the video card, the CPU and the disks, it's not really the same machine that it was. I doubt I'll buy an entirely new machine in the foreseeable future. So you could consider $2000 in parts spent over six years to be the cost of keeping the machine stocked with quality upgrades. I think it all works out evenly.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
And if I have to upgrade again, how am I ever going to finish copying my 17M file?
Yes, Apple's Tiger 10.4 will contain Sun's Tiger 1.5.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=523
I'm pretty sure it's possible to install on those machines with XPostFacto.
After all, I am strangely colored.
Apparently yes.
See http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=523
Fat Freddy's Cat OS.
Ahh, memories. I think I'll find my "Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers" comics tonight.
Thanks.
"can you say that you can use a 6-year old PC without any siginificant upgrades and still run the latest OS and software and be productive with it?
Sure. As long as you're not married to Windows.
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
TIIIIIIIIIGER UPERCUT?
Au contraire,
b ait but merely to describe the type of user whe're talking about here--
The number one question asked by 'the archetypical mini-buyer' - and of course the tons of other people that ask for a mini who sometimes have some similarity with this mythical person - is 'Will I get Tiger for free when I but my mini now?'
The archetypical mac-mini switcher (subset of a-mm-buyer) is not the complete computer-n00b we would all love to go out and buy a mac, only because then we might actually get to benchmarks the actual stand-by time of our mobile phones, that type of user still uses the windows pc they've had for years because they don't care about computers, don't read the articles about them in the press, skip conversations about computers in social events because they're biased to think they won't understand any of it anyway and are thereby still highly unaware of the other options out there besides using their windows 95 OSR 2 box with 16 megs of ram till death.
The typical switcher we get - I work in a big Apple Centre in the Netherlands - is the slightly geeky guy on a budget. The type that cares a bit above average about computers, never used Linux because they couldn't figure out how to install it in the amount of time they wanted to commit themselves to it and besides that just mature enough to be tempted by the idea that *it* might JustWork(TM)
-- above passage not intended as linux-is-too-difficult-for-'normal'-people-flame-
The second most important typical mini-buyer is the user that already has -at least one- mac, looking for an extra machine to fulfill some specific task(s) , or unable to resist the mac mini coolness factor and getting one while not having the faintest clue why they would need it, or to replace for instance a dying iMac they've been using as a file- and print-server on a budget or likewise
Besides that, all the linux-geeks I know either want one, already have one or don't need one since they've gotten themselves an iBook. but that's not such a large part of the people we get in our store.
All of those categories of customers actually care *a lot* about whether or not Tiger will be included with their minimac.
PS: I'm not in sales but in tech support, so I might miss a few of those potential customers..
(may read 'IMHO' wherever omitted from above text)
If I remember correctly, Apple intended to ship GCC 4.0 with Tiger. Currently the 4.0.0 branch of GCC is in phase 3 (the final phase before release). Is Tiger going to have a custom GCC build with some of the 4.0 features (some recent snapshot of the 4.0 branch) like SSA and auto-vectorization, or have they fallen back to the 3.4.x series?
OS XI - 30th anniversary, fully 64 bit, tuned IPv6, new filesystem, complete reworking of emulation of OS9 technologies, completely rewritten kernel, GCC 5.0, new developer tools/GUI builder, The Son of Dock... it's going to be a very different animal (pun intended)... think somewhere along the lines of the jump from System 7.0 to 8.5 in terms of functionality and revision.
moox. for a new generation.
Although I agree with you about the quality and longevity of Apple's hardware (my dad still runs a G4 400 with an upgraded HDD as a recording studio and sees no need for a new system), nothing says you need a new windows system, either.
I'm stuck on a Celeron 700 at work. Nothing CLOSE to my preferred dev environment, I assue you. However, for the test scripts they've got me writing in vbscript, I never have any speed issues. It serves its purpose perfectly well.
The truth of old hardware is that if properly maintained it will be exactly as good as it was when you bought it.
Sigh.
I'm currently typing this on a Pentium III @ 900 with 512 megs of ram and a 60 gig hard drive which is, hey, what do you know, SIX years old. Though I'm running Ubuntu at this instant, I was happily running Windows XP all day to run FrameMaker and Lotus Notes (along with Opera and Firefox) perfecly fine.
Look, I'm very fond of my Mac (and even older Blue and White G3), making silly statements isn't going to win any converts...
Also, there's no need to add your age to every post.
I'm basing some of this off of the fact I have seen zero Mac Mini commercials - most Mini buyers (in the eastern US anyway) probably heard about it by word of mouth (and internet) rather than a traditional media campaign - so they know at least a thing or two about OS X and what the releases mean.
Funny you should bring this up. I just finished -- and I mean just finished, like ten minutes ago -- a weekly column that I write. I loaned my PowerBook for a few days to someone who needed it more than I did, so I wrote it on a six-year-old iBook with a 300 MHz G3 processor and 256 MB of RAM.
This computer runs 10.3.8, and the application I used was Adobe InCopy 3.
It worked perfectly. Zero complaints. The only way I could tell the difference between the iBook and my PowerBook is the size of the screen. Of course, I wasn't running any other applications at the time; if I had been, I would have run out of RAM. But apart from that one constraint, I used it in exactly the same way I normally use my laptop, and noticed no difference in functionality or speed.
... Tiger build 8A428...
Think about this: if the build number is in hex (i.e. 0x8A428), this is the 566,312nd build of Tiger.
Now, about 18 months passed since the release of OSX 10.3. This means that Apple built OSX Tiger about 42 times per hour, without stop since Oct. 2003 (OSX 10.3 release time)!
You need to install an RTFM interface.
Hmm, I haven't seen any mini ads either, and I've only seen one or two iPod ads. Maybe I just don't watch the right shows/read the right magazines...
I have been pleasured to notice a sharp decline in Dell ads that have reached me, though. If that 'dude' guy or those dorky interns say one more think about Dell's superior service...
Moof.
Just so you know, the reason Apple doesn't invest very much time or effort into Java is because there's zero demand for Java client applications on the Mac. And the reason there's zero demand for it is because Java applications that are ported to the Mac have so far been done very sloppily, resulting in a bad user experience all around.
If you want Java support for the Mac, do two things. First, sign up with ADC and express your opinion. Second, start writing good Java applications for the Mac.
Updated permissions, everything seems ok.
The typical switcher we get - I work in a big Apple Centre in the Netherlands - is the slightly geeky guy on a budget. The type that cares a bit above average about computers, never used Linux because they couldn't figure out how to install it in the amount of time they wanted to commit themselves to it and besides that just mature enough to be tempted by the idea that *it* might JustWork(TM)
/.), I'm about to switch. I want a machine that will allow my wife and I to use with sessions running simultaneously. I want mail and printing and scanning to work right. I want Bluetooth syncing to our phones and my wife's Tungsten to work. I want to be able to use my iPod, and my digital camera, and edit videos. I want it to all be integrated, and I want it to, yes, "just work".
You have a good view, but let me give you a data point. I'm a Linux sysadmin by day. My "server" at home runs Linux. My desktops at home run sort of Windows by necessity: one is for my wife, the other is my laptop that I need to use with a Centrino wireless card, and VPN for work. I know that I could "train" my wife to use Linux. I also know that I could get my finicky laptop to work. Point is, I don't want to. By the time I get home, I don't feel like it.
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I mess around with things enough at work and home. When I want to play, I have plenty of things to play with. But I want something that I don't have to think about unless I want to. I don't want to have to edit a single god damn configuration file to accomplish the above tasks. Is the Mac the right answer? I think it might be. But if it's not, that's okay. I can go back to the old way, and when I do, I'll sell the Mac for damn near what I paid for it.
I never thought I would be this way. But I've reached a time in my life where I have less patience and willingness to sacrifice free time. I also have lots more money. That's why I'm giving it a shot.
If you purchased a computer within 14 days of the anouncement of release you are entitled to a $20 upgrade. This is how Apple has done it in the past.As far as buying Panther on its own there is no upgrade.
Have you ever seen what happens when you put a tiger and a longhorn steer in the same room?
Now THAT'S funny
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
Those are all great, but to me, I want to know if Tiger has another "new feature": Does it make my computer feel faster?
Pretty much every previous release of MacOS X has brought speed improvements, and I want to know if Tiger will continue that tradition. Not all of us can afford G5s at the moment, and a speed increase would really make it shelling out another 80 bucks or so (.edu discount) worth it.
'I am become Shiva, destroyer of worlds'
It is developers who think that Java applications run as-is who are responsible for the shitty java applications on OS X today.
It takes a handful of lines to switch to the mac menu bar (instead of window-mounted menus), but nobody does it. Java apps which 'run' on the mac are often not even tested to see how they behave.
I would never advertise my mac client software as 'java software', because users now consider that a badge of warning. If it is a good mac app, the fact that it has java code in it shouldn't even cross the user's mind.
If you're on a Mac running Safari right now, you can right-click or ctrl-click on the "comment" field for slashdot submissions and tick "Spelling -> Check Spelling as you Type". The word "resurection" would be underlined in red and you could right-click or ctrl-click on it to correct it. I'm not nitpicking about spelling, but I actually think it's a neat feature that not many Mac users are aware of for posting on the net. It's a system-wide feature for text fields in OS X, just a neat little insight into the design quality of what goes on under the hood.
Try clicking on the "play here now" link inside the image... (quicktime required)
It's extremly impressive, really looks like the gui version of Unix pipes. This one might be the last straw for me.
I couldn't have said it better. Although I think it's worth making clear that what you said about the menu bar is just one example of how developers can piss off users by assuming that Java applications should be run unmodified on the Mac.
Drag and drop is a vital part of the Macintosh user interface. Java developers often neglect to implement it. Same with packaging and application metadata, application services, even the dock menu. Java developers often -- I'll go so far as to say "almost always" --completely ignore these important parts of the Mac operating environment, either blithely unaware of them or under the sadly mistake impression that users just won't miss them.
Like I said, if developers want Apple to give a shit about Java, they're going to need to start giving a shit about Apple.
Hear hear!
/. "Hack 'cause you want, not 'cause you have to." Hacking actually becomes fun again. And surely that's something quite hard to put a price on?
:)
I was in a vaguely similar boat, though I can't ever claim to have been a Linux sysadmin - certainly not outside the home anyway. All our machines at home were Windows XP, mostly self-built, and we had Linux for NAT, etc. But all the machines were a constant hassle. The only thing I can be thankful for is that this was before spyware and its ilk got really big, so I never had to deal with much of that.
Anyway, I got an iBook in 2002, after playing around on a very sexy PowerMac G4 server (it had 1.25GB RAM, which was not unimpressive at the time). Looking back now, it was quite crude - Internet Explorer for the web browser, no X11, no Quartz Extreme - but I still switched, and haven't looked back.
Granted, it's a little weird if you're coming from a Linux-centric background - each UNIX has its own ways of doing things and Darwin is no different in this respect - but you can still get down to the nitty-gritty and write your own ipfw configuration if it floats your boat. And, though Fink seems slightly stagnated of late, running KDE on your Mac is just plain cool (from a "because you can" point of view, anyway).
Keep an open mind - I know a friend of mine was a little upset at first because he couldn't start Apache with apachectl start. I was a little terse with him in reply, pointing out that Apple, champion of the GUI, could hardly expect a horde of headstrong OS9 GUI diehards to open up a Terminal to start a web server. Once I pointed him towards the Sharing tab, all was fine.
The wireless implementation is unparalleled. Having taken my first steps in the WiFi world on a Mac, it pains me to use Windows' or Linux efforts (the latter I am having particular trouble with at home). Bluetooth is beautiful - you will, I am sure, find BluePhoneElite and Salling Clicker amusing if not essential toys. iPhoto is really, really nice; iMovie HD is just totally cool...
You almost take it for granted in fact. I installed iTunes on a friend's Windows XP machine the other day, and she was almost bowled over (she has rather poor balance) by the simplicity of iTunes. I now think of it as nothing special, but to someone who has suffered under WiMP for so long, it is truly refreshing.
In the end, all the machines at home now are Macs, save for one Linux server which still does NAT, mostly for my amusement so that I can continue to hack when I want. But I really think you hit the nail on the head with this...
I mess around with things enough at work and home. When I want to play, I have plenty of things to play with. But I want something that I don't have to think about unless I want to. I don't want to have to edit a single god damn configuration file to accomplish the above tasks.
I think I can sum it up succinctly with a line that is sure to appeal to at least the more mature and competent (i.e. less l33t t33n h4x0r) type that reads
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Besides that, all the linux-geeks I know either want one, already have one or don't need one since they've gotten themselves an iBook. but that's not such a large part of the people we get in our store.
I am a Linux geek. I have an iBook (one of the new 12" G4s, bought just before they came out - thanks to the Apple store for automatically upgrading my order). I want a Mac mini so I can retire my Lintel box to be an oversized, loud gaming console. A dualboot setup lets me choose whether I want to be able to keep in touch with the rest of the world (as I don't want my emails spread out over two OSes) or be able to just fire up a game and have some fun - but it doesn't allow both, as I dislike Windows enough to not want do do anything except playing games on it.
The iBook is nice, but as my demands for desktops are radically different from those for a notebook it's not an option as a replacement desktop.
The Mini, especially as it now comes with Tiger, fits my needs just fine. Now I just need to get my hands on a few hundred bucks...
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Why do we "desperately need a successor to Objective-C?" Is Objective-C going somewhere?
In point of fact, most of those great new technologies that everybody is raving about would not be practical without Objective-C. Core Data, for instance, could not be implemented practically in either C or Java because of its dependence on features of the Objective-C runtime.
And we're kinda just starting to really take advantage of what Objective-C can bring to the party.
Bluetooth is beautiful - you will, I am sure, find BluePhoneElite and Salling Clicker amusing if not essential toys.
Thanks for the links. I was looking through some of the features of those tools. Doesn't OS X have some of the same features? I know that caller ID popup when a call comes in was built-in. I also heard once that "proximity monitoring" was built in, but I never confirmed that. Do you know? That was one of the big selling points for my wife: that her phone will be synced without her even taking it out of her purse.
I installed iTunes on a friend's Windows XP machine the other day, and she was almost bowled over (she has rather poor balance) by the simplicity of iTunes.
I had this exact experience 2 days ago. My friend and I heard this funny/stupid song at a bar last weekend. I had iTunes installed on my laptop already, but had never used the store, or the burn feature. I wanted to get this song and put it on a CD for humor's sake, but we were leaving soon and I was afraid I wouldn't have time. I already set up my account (5 free songs with PayPal sign up). Once I found the song, I think it was 5 clicks before I had it burned on a CD. Maybe this is possible with other software, I don't know. But I was impressed, and it makes me think there are more good things to come.
Like I said, if developers want Apple to give a shit about Java, they're going to need to start giving a shit about Apple.
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I couldn't think of a more flawed statement. For the last 10 years developers have been hounding Apple to give them support that made them contenders. WWDC 1996 "Apple is going to be the #1 Java development platform..." followed by the slowest deployments and poor implementations. Apple blamed Sun, but the reality was the group was understaffed (not to mention staffed with newbs - I was recruited for the 1.2 port.)
In 1997 my company stopped using Mac as a development platform because we needed current JDK and working JDBC support.
Being in the sci-tech and engineering field, the biggest complaint since 1991 has been the lack of tools running on Macs. Java gave Apple an opportunity REGARDLESS of UI because sci-tech Java apps supposedly run anywhere, and its not a matter of reimplementing the application, as you Swing LAF is swappable (if you do it the way you're supposed to.) Making an argument that Apple users won't use software that isn't Mac-like is bunk when its the functionality thats important.
So, as I guy who hounded Apple for 10 years before giving up, I can honestly say that giving a shit about Apple and asking for current support and bug fixes did absolutely nothing.
And this whole "build it Mac-like and they'll come" is bullshit. Even Apple doesn't follow the once sacred UI guidelines anymore (think of the metal iWhatever interface.) This cliquey religious mentality is exactly the reason why Apple lost so much ground in sci-tech. Evangelism decided they'd only support "killer apps", and unfortunately in many verticals, there isn't such a thing. Why do I give a hoot about dnd support in an image processing app or a spreadsheet?
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