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"Body Talk" Could Control Gadgets

Fragglebabe writes "The BBC reports that we could soon be controlling our gadgets using small movements of the body, such as a nod of the head. In order to make this possible, 'Audio cloud' technology has been developed by researchers at the University of Glasgow. They say that 'audio clouds could make using mobile devices on the move safer and easier'. According to the article, 'the researchers have developed ways to control gadgets, such as personal digital assistants (PDAs) and music players, using 3D sound for output and gestures for input.'"

111 comments

  1. the easiest place to test this new technology by R.D.Olivaw · · Score: 4, Funny

    inflatable dolls!

  2. Okay by anon*127.0.0.1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So what happens if I start headbanging during my morning drive to work?

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    1. Re:Okay by Kierthos · · Score: 2, Funny

      You swerve across three lanes of traffic, piling into an oncoming tractor-trailer. Better stick with the easy listening on the morning commute.

      Kierthos

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    2. Re:Okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your cell phone calls your girlfriend 186 times before the Whitesnake song is finally over.

  3. What problem does this solve again ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful


    sure we can see the advantages for disabled people but for the able bodied this seems like a solution looking for a problem

    there must be some bored execs about

    1. Re:What problem does this solve again ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      sure we can see the advantages for disabled people but for the able bodied this seems like a solution looking for a problem

      How about times when your hands are full and the environment is noisy? Say an auto mechanic working on a motor, he could be adjusting components and still have simple control over a diagnostic computer. I'm sure there are plenty of other potential uses. I think the problem is that whenever something like this comes up, everyone always assumes that it is something that is designed to replace the keyboard/mouse and if it doesn't have applicability to 95% of the computing masses then it's useless.

    2. Re:What problem does this solve again ? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      From the demos is more academics looking for paper topics than bored execs. The use of 3D spatial audio clues or "audio cloud" is interesting. The brain is very good at using stuff like that to listen in on a conversation three tables over in a noisy pub, for example. The demos are pretty dry and don't show or explain much to an outsider.

      Perhaps they should dump everything else and work on that Harry Potter-like wizards game they mentioned? (And hope that the forces of J.K. Rowlings don't attack!)

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    3. Re:What problem does this solve again ? by VernonNemitz · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you consider the next steps beyond these first hints, you may have a machine that understands sign language in your future. The neat thing is that sign language is pretty much an international standard, and if we all learn it to talk to our machines, then we will be able to talk to each other more easily, also.

    4. Re:What problem does this solve again ? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      You want a machine that understands sign language? Look here.

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  4. I'm telling you, boss, ... by RyoSaeba · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... that nasty, inflammatory mail towards i appear to have sent is the result of my coughing! The mail reader thought i was composing a mail!

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    1. Re:I'm telling you, boss, ... by RyoSaeba · · Score: 1

      Oops, of course it should read towards you...

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    2. Re:I'm telling you, boss, ... by Twylite · · Score: 2, Funny

      Achoo!

      Your subscription to Allergy Weekly has been paid. Thank you.

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  5. Clearly in the future by dan+dan+the+dna+man · · Score: 4, Funny

    medics will have a hard time diagnosing Parkinsons..

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    1. Re:Clearly in the future by kfg · · Score: 1

      True, that will be a problem for the short term, but remember, the audio cloud is only the first step along the road to developing the brain cloud.

      KFG

    2. Re:Clearly in the future by mo^ · · Score: 1

      I wont fear the laughter.

      hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

      hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      !

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  6. Fantastic Direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    HCI has not really had any new ideas since the mouse. It is great to see people working on practical ways to interface with mobile devices. I'd love to try this one. I bet using it would give me lots of ideas for new twists on the principle, and for useful applications.

    1. Re:Fantastic Direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, and there is the additional attrctiveness of using the same 'audio cloud' for active noise cancellation.

      i.e. you'll be able to control and use your car phone in the middle of a bunch of old fart biker posers out for a weekend on their LED festooned 'harlies'(read proy dix) if you can still control the thing while wracked with laughter over the perfectly new leathers, $1000 sun glasses, and bikes that look better than anything that came out of the custom shops in the 60's.

  7. Interesting by PunkOfLinux · · Score: 0, Redundant

    That's a cool concept but i agree. It COULD have some interesting consequences ^^

  8. 3D audio... by nitio · · Score: 1

    and music players, using 3D sound for output and gestures for input

    In here too.
    Yes my friend. You're probably right.

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  9. This is dumb by connah0047 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think we've already proved this concept is silly with the Sharp's V603SH.

  10. I know the submitter did this on purpose by eclectro · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I can't get this stupid song out of my head. It's the eighties all over again;

    Let's get physical, physical,
    I wanna get physical, let's get into physical
    Let me hear your body talk,
    Your body talk, let me hear your body talk

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    1. Re:I know the submitter did this on purpose by Wordsmith · · Score: 3, Funny

      How might this technology react if the user were to Wang Chung? Or perhaps do the Safety Dance (after all, we CAN dance if we want to).

    2. Re:I know the submitter did this on purpose by TractorBarry · · Score: 1

      Well when it was only in your head it didn't bother me. But now it's in mine you swine ! All I can say in return is:

      "Grandad, Grandad, you're lovely... that's what we all think of you"

      See how you like that then eh ? eh ?

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    3. Re:I know the submitter did this on purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It is better to have loved and lost than to have ever listened to anything by Olivia Newton-John.
      - Holly

      The 2nd comment mentioned headbanging. Now I've got Bohemian Rhapsody in my head.

    4. Re:I know the submitter did this on purpose by eclectro · · Score: 1

      Two can play at this game buddy-boy. Here's another snap back -

      My baby takes the morning train, he works from nine till five and then
      He takes another home again to find me waitin' for him

      All day I think of him, dreamin' of him constantly
      I'm crazy mad for him, and he's crazy mad for me
      When he steps off that train, I'm makin' a fool, a fight
      Work all day to earn his pay, so we can play all night

      My baby takes the morning train, he works from nine till five and then
      He takes another home again to find me waitin' for him


      I'm also going to rat you out to the RIAA for the "psychic trading" of mp3s.

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    5. Re:I know the submitter did this on purpose by mo^ · · Score: 1

      wordsmith above you infected me.. just had to locate the old music stash to find the damn safety dance

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  11. dog by 404forbidden · · Score: 0

    does this mean the end of the dog nodding its head at the back of my car ??.... Tehcnology respects nothing..!

  12. Could be useful if done right by janek78 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure this could be useful, I can see some great uses for disabled people (e.g. it could make using certain devices easier for people who lost their finger(s)).

    "The whole thing is about trying to make it more natural and using the right way to control something at the right time."

    I think this paragraph sums it up nicely. I always fear these smart phones (PDAs, gadgets or even PCs), because once they start guessing what you want them to do it's fine 95% of the time when they get it right. But those 5% can become a real nightmare (if they take away some low level control from you).

    Could be also a bit hard to use for old people with hand tremor (or Parkinson's disease). But I guess you can filter this low amnplitude tremor out (wasn't there an article about a smooth mouse on /. recently?).

    So I say yes, but please give me a full backup option to control my /insert a favorite gadget here/.

    1. Re:Could be useful if done right by legojenn · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't see what's special about this. The Fonz was able to do this in the 1950s. All you need is an elbow.

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    2. Re:Could be useful if done right by alatesystems · · Score: 1

      Peter in family guy already proved that can't work for everyone. He hit the record jukebox and said "AYYYYYYYYY", and ended up bleeding almost to death since the glass broke when he struck it. I hope this technology is more robust, for Peter's sake.

      He's going to treat his wife like the piece of Schmidt she is. "That's PEWTERSCHMIDT!"

  13. I can see it now: by Daedalus_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Walking down the street twitching like an epileptic trying to get your PDA to tell your phone to dial your mom.

    1. Re:I can see it now: by Vague+but+True · · Score: 1

      Or having an epileptic seizure causing your phone to dial a foreign exchange, while your MP3 deletes its memory, and your car locks/unlocks/windows down/windows up/open trunk.....

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      I'm not a doctor, but I play one in bed.

  14. I already planned this 2 years ago.... by PGillingwater · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ... and I contributed it to the Da Vinci institute's Museum of Future Inventions.

    Slashdot regulars will remember the Da Vinci institute from this story.

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  15. "Relaxation " to control stuff. by zijus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From (dead) medialab Europe MindGames section, the Relax to Win game.

    Philip McDarby, Daragh McDonnell, Rob Burke A racing game in which each person controls a dragon that moves quicker as they relax. The race is competitive and stressful however the person most relaxed wins. Possible applications of this research are in the treatment of stress, anxiety disorder and attention deficit disorder.

    AFAIR, their aim was to actually provides games for teaching humans how to control some physiological signals, in order to enable better (simpler, more natural, ... ?) Human/machine interfaces in the future.

    Z.

    1. Re:"Relaxation " to control stuff. by bap · · Score: 1

      Um, the Media Lab Europe Mindgames group and the people who did the work discussed in this story are collaborators.

  16. Based on the movement in you pants by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    It looks like you want to shag that pretty blonde over there.Would you like be to help with that by

    (a) Suggesting some useful chatup lines
    (b) Preparing your love pad while you are doing your stufmuffin routine
    (c) Adopt a more realistic attitude and explain why that girl would not have sex with you if you were the lasst man on earth

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    1. Re:Based on the movement in you pants by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      (d) Purchase the ingredients for making chloroform from Amazon(TM).

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  17. Are they insane? by Illserve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Admittedly, I didn't read the article, but I don't think I have to to know this is a bad idea because I've heard it all before.

    How the hell is linking tiny gestural movements to PDA/mobile control going to improve control for people "on the go"? Whether, walking or driving, if I'm actively moving from one place to another, my body needs to be involved in the process. If I have to control head motion while driving or walking to control a PDA, my awareness of my surroundings will be worse.

    This whole idea of controlling devices with formerly incidental motions is like a recurring bad dream. Wake up. This idea is bad. It will not work. While we can consciously control these motions with severe training, the default state is that the brain does these things automatically. Any communication medium that forces the user to laboriously reprogram their own brain so that formerly automated behaviours have to reside under exclusive conscious control are impractical.

    The most successful user input devices (ie. cars, telephones, pencils, keyboards) have always focussed on elements of interaction that are under direct control in the context of the use of that device (ie I don't control my feet while walking, but I do while sitting in a car, because the walking program isn't engaged)

    1. Re:Are they insane? by Illserve · · Score: 1

      Also... you'd like a freak, waving your hand around, nodding your head this way and that as you walk down the street. People would step out of their way to avoid you.

      Noone is going to want to walk around doing that.

      This sounds like people looking too hard for a "new idea" that can win them bucks. Except that it sucks, and it's not even new (the Media lab's been doing this for many years)

    2. Re:Are they insane? by YaRness · · Score: 1

      i've got a revolutionary idea: we'll put a button on the device that disconnects the electricity, rendering the device inert while you are walking around and doing other things, so as to not accidentally activate it.

      we can label it "Power".

    3. Re:Are they insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think product engineers spend a lot of time/money on things like fancy new user interfaces because it is an excuse for not having to do more useful (but much harder) problem solving work.

      Frankly, a mobile phone or PDA that I can control via voice/touch/brainwaves is nice, but I would trade it all for a simpler device with a far longer battery life. Or how about a screen that was actually sharp enough to read text for extended periods of time?

      When was the last time anyone used voice-dialing on their mobile phone?

      It seems companies are continually forcing products with new features down our necks, to disguise the REAL usability problems.

    4. Re:Are they insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm don't think we're insane -- but hey who knows. The idea is to make interaction more natural, not less as you suggest; rather than pressing tiny little buttons, subtle but robust gesture recognition can be used instead. This does NOT mean holding your head really still and twitching carefully or making wild arm movements to control the device.

      The point is to make small intentional movements which are discriminated from the background noise of walking, driving and so on. Detecting the intentionality of gesture is a key part of our work. These gestures can be much more natural than interacting using a stylus or a keyboard. Think how sensitive you are to someone nodding to you in the street, even if they're jogging by.

      The spatial audio environment can make the system more natural by presenting objects to interact with without using vision -- which is a much more valuable sensory resource when you're trying to dodge buses on a busy street!

      Your friendly Audioclouds researcher...

    5. Re:Are they insane? by Illserve · · Score: 1

      Thanks for replying. Sorry about the "insane" crack, I'm on 3 hours of sleep.

      If you've effectively solved the problem of determing the user's intent when they make gesture X, as opposed to gesture Y, while allowing people to make natural gestures (as opposed to tortuous twitches).... you should be doing better things with your genius than making new Ipod controllers.

      You have apparently cracked problems of cognitive psychology that have been stumping legions of scientists for decades.

      If these getures are truly "natural", then they are going to be controlled by different mental processes at different times. Sometimes the part of the brain that wants to skip to the next song, sometimes the part that wants to nod in agreement to the person being talked to (or maybe someone called their name from across the room).

      Discriminating what part of the brain intended to make a given gesture is going to require that you effectively read the subject's mind. At the very least, you'd need to follow the ongoing dialogue in the vicinity to determine if the gesture is part of a conversation or not.... So there's a host of "hard" problems that have to be solved to accurately determine intent.

      So if you've done all these things, I'm going to retire from my cog neuroscience career, because you're obviously some kind of crazy protege who's surely going to render a century of research by 100,000+ researchers obsolete within the next few years.

      I haven't seriously looked for a non academic job ever, is monster.com still how it's done?

    6. Re:Are they insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      err, there certainly are lots of problems which could be solved -- but that doesn't mean that there aren't workable and effective solutions for at least some of the tasks people do in their everyday lives.

      I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "solved the problem of determing the user's intent". I don't think it's really a problem which can be "solved", unless you are a mindreader, as you note. There are, however, many ways for distinguishing potentially intentional gestures -- gait analysis, tremor modelling, active interface stimulation, for example, which can give the system reasonable likelihood estimates of the intentionality of a movement.

    7. Re:Are they insane? by Illserve · · Score: 1

      Well if you're right, than there's alot of excellent scientific work that's been done by you and I look forward to learning about it.

      But I do have to question your definition of intentionality.

      Just because a user emits gesture X, and intended it, doesn't mean it was intended for use in controlling the ipod (or whatever). So in two cases, the same gesture is emitted, but understanding context is required in order to determine if it's suitable.

      Or maybe you've found a nice set of gestures which are never intentionally performed for other reasons.... but I would have to question how natural they are.

      So somewhere, definitions are awry. If your gestures are truly "natural", than different systems use them intentionally, even in the same context. And figuring out which is which is an "H" hard problem.

    8. Re:Are they insane? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      What a totally weird image -- a streetful of people hurrying about their business, all bobbing their heads and waving their hands like a flock of demented pigeons on speed :)

      I suppose if "everyone is doing it" most folk wouldn't feel self-conscious about it. Even so... I'm reminded of some old SF movie where an alien tries to imitate a person who has a nervous tick.

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    9. Re:Are they insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No change there, then.

    10. Re:Are they insane? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "solved the problem of determing the user's intent". I don't think it's really a problem which can be "solved",
      Well, let's take a boring old GUI with a mouse and all that. The system determinses my intent by working out where the cursor was when I clicked the button. If it was over the maximise icon of application foo, it deduces that my intent was to maximise application foo.

      Not rocket science, is it?

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    11. Re:Are they insane? by mo^ · · Score: 1

      Quick, patent it before Amazon do

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    12. Re:Are they insane? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      If you're only going to use it when you're not doing anything else, why not just whip out a keyboard instead?

      No, the real point of all these alternative input devices is that you can use them while you're doing something else. I have doubts that this would work better than a Twiddler in that respect, though (let alone the issue of cognitive load inherent in the whole thing).

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    13. Re:Are they insane? by YaRness · · Score: 1

      No, the real point of all these alternative input devices is that you can use them while you're doing something else.

      that does not preclude the option of turning the device on and then use it while you are doing something else. for example, using a cell phone with a headset while driving, walking, or feeding the dog.

      hell, even on star trek TNG they push the little automagical communicator badge before using it. well, usually, but that's a different rant for a different web site.

    14. Re:Are they insane? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      hell, even on star trek TNG they push the little automagical communicator badge before using it. well, usually, but that's a different rant for a different web site.
      Star Trek has also solved AI, so they can have all the fancy computer control they want (e.g. the auto-opening doors know when somebody wants to lean against them, and stay shut).

      But anyway, in your original post it sounded like you were proposing a power switch because movement would cause unintentional input. If that's the case, then there would be unintentional input while you're using it (when it has to be turned on), and we're back to square one. A power switch is obviously a good idea, but it doesn't solve the problem we were talking about.
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  18. Body Talking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    "Unfortunately, my neck does look like a vagina." - Fat Bastard, Austin Powers/Goldmember

  19. Wow. by Yeldarb-7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    controlling our gadgets using small movements of the body

    Can you imagine, what if you could control a device by simply touching it with our finger? We could call it a "button."

    1. Re:Wow. by datafr0g · · Score: 1

      Might not be so straight forward if you were missing those important limbs that link your fingers to your torso, or were paralized, or suffered from hand tremors, or were blind, etc...

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  20. Douglas Adams foresaw it by thbb · · Score: 5, Funny
    The machine was rather difficult to operate. For years, radios had been operated by means of pressing buttons and turning dials; then, as the technology became more sophisticated, the controls were made touch sensitive ... now all you had to do was wave your hand in the general direction of the components and hope. It saved a lot of muscular expenditure of course, but meant you had to stay infuriatingly still if you wanted to keep listening to the same programme.

    D. Adams, 1979 The hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. chapter 12, first paragraph.

    See also: Charade: remote control of objects using free hand gestures (1993)

    1. Re:Douglas Adams foresaw it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on Mods! Give the man an Informative!
      (Even if the Douglas Adams quote is cribbed directly from the Charade proposal)

    2. Re:Douglas Adams foresaw it by f0rtytw0 · · Score: 1

      Damn! You beat me to it.

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  21. Why? by JanneM · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Laypeople will see a new idea and wonder 'Why?'.
    A scientist will see a new idea and wonder 'Can I get funding for doung this?'"

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    1. Re:Why? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      Marketing will see a new idea and wonder ' if you can have it done in 3 weeks time to coincide the with launch date'

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    2. Re:Why? by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      "Doung?" Are you trying to say Doug or Dung? Neither makes much sense.

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    3. Re:Why? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      Doing makes sence though ,I didn't not even notice they had written doung till you pointed it out ;) My procesor has better fualt tollerance appparently hehe

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  22. Body movement controlling machines? by GatesGhost · · Score: 0, Funny

    I hope there's a led sign that flashes 'fuck you' when i flip my middle finger in my car so the other car can see it.

  23. H2GT2G by old_unicorn · · Score: 1

    Anyone remember this in Hitch-Hikers Guide To The Galaxy? Where you had to "sit infuriatingly still if you wanted to keep listening to the same channel"....?

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  24. sweet! by l33t-gu3lph1t3 · · Score: 1

    "Surprising everyone in the game industry, Flight Sims received a massive popularity boost this year, beating out Halflife2 in terms of overall sales as gamers flock to try out the new and appropriately named "joystick" control functionality."

    $10 to the first scriptwriter that lets me mount a drive with my wang ;)

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  25. Tension conveys intention by thbb · · Score: 5, Informative
    Back in 1993, with a dataglove (video recognition could not be used at the time), I spent some time assessing the conditions by which one could use this type of interaction. We came up with three recommendations for gesture-based interaction vocabularies:
    • Creation of an active zone to distinguish gestures addressed to the system from other gestures.
    • Recognition of dynamic gestures to ensure smooth command input.
    • Use of hand tension at the start of gestural commands to structure the interaction.

    This last one is key: tense gestures (just as tension in the voice) carry the fact you really want something done, and thus disambiguates your gestures.

    More at: Charade: remote control of objects using free hand gestures
    1. Re:Tension conveys intention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Some of the guys in out sister group at the Hamilton Institute have been working on doing exactly this -- using tremor as an input mechanism on mobile devices:
      See the paper at
      http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~rod/publications/StrMur0 4.pdf and the video at http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~rod/Videos/TremorVideo.m ov

      --John (researcher on the audioclouds project)

    2. Re:Tension conveys intention by Reziac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good thought, especially for those of us who tend to wave our arms around, and if we sat on our hands would be rendered mute :)

      However, what about deaf folks' signed communication, which is purposeful (tensioned) by its nature?

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    3. Re:Tension conveys intention by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Interesting
      We came up with three recommendations
      I can come up with another: don't bother with gesture recognition, it's a solution looking for a problem.
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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  26. Do not Panic !! by pecko666 · · Score: 1

    I hope this will not end as radio controll in the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy :-)

  27. Showing my age, but... by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Folks,

    we've been hearing about control of gadgets, faucets and light bulbs using heat, remote control, computer control, nodding, winking, clapping, voice control and other electronic marvels for as long as I can remember (ie the mid 1970s).

    Yet, we're still using light switches whose fundamental design hasn't changed since Edison. We still have doors that open or close (instead of slide to one side a la "Star Trek") manually using something we old-timers call a "door handle". We still open a faucet which is entirely mechanical in design.

    Face it, these hyped-up-but-never-deployed electronic marvels are poor quality alternatives to straightforward mechanical design, and always liable to go wrong (especially during a power-outage).

    We'll still be using the same stuff in fifty years - just get over it. There are more compelling uses for technology than these solutions-for-problems-that-don't-require-solution s.

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    1. Re:Showing my age, but... by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Yet, we're still using light switches whose fundamental design hasn't changed since Edison. We still have doors that open or close (instead of slide to one side a la "Star Trek") manually using something we old-timers call a "door handle". We still open a faucet which is entirely mechanical in design.

      In the home, yes. However, in commercial buildings it is not at all uncommon to see automatic doors (although they don't sweep to the side), automatic faucets, and lights on motion sensors.

    2. Re:Showing my age, but... by uberdave · · Score: 1

      Actually, most automatic doors do slide to the side, even if you don't count elevator doors, at least in my neck o' the woods. However, the numbers dramatically reverse if you count the manual doors that have handicap power openers.

    3. Re:Showing my age, but... by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      So you've never been to a supermarket I see. It's all about timing, purpose, and price. When something is needed quickly, it has a purpose, and the price is not as important. When something is cheap enough, the purpose need not be serious. You better believe we'll have automated thumb-print-openable doors when they cost the same as the normal kind.

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    4. Re:Showing my age, but... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Sliding doors (and their cousin the pocket door) are a matter of practicality for the location; they've been around in various forms for centuries. Many older homes and nearly all older house trailers use pocket doors. They may even predate the hinged door, given that a pocket door (aka sliding door) is really just a gate that can be picked up and moved sideways, to which has been added a handy sliding track. Hinged doors require a lot more supporting architecture (frame, latch, etc.)

      A better example would be the Star Trek notion of how a table and chairs would look -- you're not sure what it is, how to use it, or where the heck you'd sit. In the real world, tables and chairs have remained fundamentally unchanged since their inception, with the only real innovation being the chairback. And there's never any question about where to park your butt. Yeah, occasional oddities come down the pipe, but they've never become mainstream *for a reason*: they lack realworld functionality.

      Remember the Clapper? "Clap on, clap off..." Nifty gadget, but not very useful outside of a niche market -- they're cheap enough, but you don't see Clappers controlling every switchable device in every home, do you?? Of course not, because 99% of the time, a plain old light switch is easier to use and less prone to make mistakes.

      As you say, most such gadgets, however clever, are solutions in search of a problem that doesn't exist, or only exists in niche markets.

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    5. Re:Showing my age, but... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      A better example would be the Star Trek notion of how a table and chairs would look -- you're not sure what it is, how to use it, or where the heck you'd sit.
      Maybe I'm not as much of a trekkie as I thought I was, but I can't recall any unidentifiable furniture (at least in areas designed for humans). Could you cite an example?
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    6. Re:Showing my age, but... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I think I was just using Star Trek as a shared example of a place one might find "pointless futurism" (since the parent post mentioned ST too).

      [big silly grin] At one time I could have ID'd any ST-TOS still by episode and scene, and supplied the matching dialog to boot. But I don't think I've seen any of TOS since the late 1970s, and by now all the specifics have fallen out of my head, or got overwritten during an upgrade to Star Wars :) I do vaguely recall some odd-shaped furniture here and there in TOS, tho nothing specific.

      One thing that does come to mind is that all the beds looked horribly uncomfortable!

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  28. This is nice... by Neo's+Nemesis · · Score: 4, Funny

    so by the time i finish my morning walk, i have had downloaded premium ringtones, deleted some apps, ordered truckloads of food, and conspired to bomb the white house. all unknowingly, seemingly.

  29. Otway was right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I'm making so much noise with my body
    </obscure reference>

  30. Here's the killer app. by Coelacanth · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...if the accelerometers in your phone sense that you are weaving between lanes, then it provides a mild electric shock and hangs up. If you go around a traffic circle more than 360 degrees, it cuts the ignition and calls the local constabulary.

    Oh, and if you download a polyphonic ringtone based on an Abba song, it shocks you to death on the spot.

  31. anger by torrents · · Score: 1

    can i get a hard shutdown if i flip it the bird...

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  32. Safety? It's the DISTRACTION, not the hand... by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    here's one BBC article noting that "Hands-free kits are allowed, but many road safety experts say they do not reduce the risks of having an accident."

    I can't find a good reference right now, but I'm sure NPR reported on a research study that showed that it was the distraction caused by ''talking'' on a cell phone, not the use of one hand to hold it, that was the issue.

    Giving the brain additional physical channels to use for multitasking isn't going to affect the fact the brain's ability or inability to multitask. It doesn't matter whether you're operating the device with your hand, your voice, your eye movements, or your EEG waves; if that device isn't your car, your attention is going to be distracted.

    Lately some cell phone association has been running dignified announcements saying that you should not engage in cell phone conversations that might distract you, which is rather like a liquor company saying you should not drink those kinds of liquor that might impair your driving...

  33. Heh.. The problems of the future by dep01 · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Hey Steve! Did you finish that report I assigned you?"

    *Steve Nods*

    *Device in pocket starts playing music loudly, he reaches for it with his left arm*

    *arm movement triggers cell-phone ringtone demo system*

    "BAH!" yells Steve.

    *Vocal command automatically dials 911, police are dispatched*

    "Calm down, Steve! You're only making it worse! Stop!"

    *Voice command "Stop" recognized on Steve's computer, closing all programs*

    "Noooo!!"

    "Help!"

    *Police department dialed a second time, ambulances dispatched*

    "We can't stop it!! It's too laaaate!"

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  34. Anyone heard of John Otway?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Anyone heard of John Otway?? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Yes, Laurie Anderson in the eighties too.

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    2. Re:Anyone heard of John Otway?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Otway does a track called Bodytalk which involves
      him twitching and slapping himself while wearing
      little electro drums to make the beat.

      Heh - as for Laurie Anderson, I bought Big Science
      on my last trip to NYC which was 20 years to the
      week since Oh Superman was number one here in the UK.

    3. Re:Anyone heard of John Otway?? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      In her Home of the Brave concert video, she does the body percussion thing. I'd guess sensors feeding to a MIDI drum box.

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  35. Oh great... by DCheesi · · Score: 1

    Can you imagine walking down the street while nodding and gesturing to control your MP3 player? As if geeks aren't considered weird enough already; with this we'd all look like we have Tourette's syndrome as well...

    1. Re:Oh great... by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      Tourette's... Unless your movements cause you to swear uncontrollaby then no. But I guess all that hardware based annoyance might just make you do that.

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    2. Re:Oh great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tourette's Syndrome does not make you swear uncontrollably. It can, but the specific condition for that is called coprolalia.

  36. What about errors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm thinking about Minority Report, where Tom Cruise's character has a bunch of windows on the display - he points to someone as they move out of the room and his windows fly all over the place - could that happen with gestures?

    I know someone who's accidentally voice-dialled a colleague while bitching about them, so voice, gesture and any biometrically controlled (semantic?) input system is always going to have to second guess you - and that's where the secret to getting it right is.

    How does a gesture system know when to act on your movements and how does a voice controlled system know when to ignore you?

  37. i'm still waiting by zerkon · · Score: 1

    come find me when I can plug the thing right into my brain and move the mouse with just a thought

    in fact screw the mouse, I just want to see my porn...
    *thinks "open porn"*
    be happy

  38. allready there. by C0d1ngM0nk3y · · Score: 2, Informative


    Fighter pilots have head tracking on HMD (helmet mounted displays) that make it easier for them to target enemy aricraft.

    They're available commercially too (for flight sims, etc), bit pricey though...

    http://www.vrealities.com/logitech.html

  39. At last real entertainment for tech support! by Redwin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just think of the abuse you could do to users!

    "To start the application you have to wave your arms like a chicken and jump up and down"

    "No no! VIGOROUSLY shake the handheld.. your not doing it fast enough"

    "No! Don't do that! If you move all the files will be deleted! And don't even think about sneezing! You don't want do delete everything on the network do you!?! Stay absolutly still in that position till I find a solution"

    Oooo the power! Bwhahahahaha!

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    1. Re:At last real entertainment for tech support! by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      So more complex motion is for more complex devices? As a network admin will I have to drag out Twister in order to set up the Cisco router?

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  40. Quantum Leap by cryptochrome · · Score: 1

    Remember how Al was always smacking around that ziggy calculator?

    Well, that's the first thing that came to my mind.

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  41. So trains and busses... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    will now be filled with twitchy people.

  42. The nodder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nod on!
    Nod off! ... the nodder!

  43. I think this technology is already out there by Digital+Pizza · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's see: Cellphone Headsets: talking when nobody is around. This tech: gestulating wildly for no apparent reason. I've seen some early adopters around here (pushing shopping carts for some reason); now I know what they were doing!

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  44. incremental by idlake · · Score: 1

    This is useful research, but it's incremental and verges on engineering. Gestural interaction for both mobile devices and stationary computers is well studied, as is 3D audio.

    Most likely, in the real world, you'll end up with Bluetooth headsets and acceleration sensors in your devices for simple gestural interactions: cheap, reliable technologies.

  45. Powered by RATT ??? by mantle_etching · · Score: 1

    "Body Talk" makes this thing go "Round and Round" huh?

  46. Jerk of the head by Cappy+Red · · Score: 1

    I only hope this means I can deactivate my emotions chip in a quick manner while moving in to fight the Borg.

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  47. Finally! by IllogicalStudent · · Score: 1

    Aha! This will finally allow us to "read" the previously indecipherable actions of women. Now all we need is one to talk to us in the first place.

    Baby steps... baby steps...

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  48. RAH by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like Starship Troopers

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  49. Will there be a version for autistics? by macraig · · Score: 1

    High-functioning autistics and those with Asperger's Syndrome have routine problems comprehending and using body language, so will there be a special version of this product for them?

  50. Motion for Mobile Already Launched in Japan by wireless+watch · · Score: 1

    We were at Vodafone's presser in Tokyo Jan. 31 that inro'd their V603SH handset saying it "is the first phone to feature a Motion Control Sensor that recognises and responds to movements." Actually has pretty cool potential for things like gaming and even maps, let alone as short cut function to your e-mail with a quick flick of the wrist.. ;-) http://www.wirelesswatch.jp/modules.php?name=News& file=article&sid=1145/