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Optical Computer Made From Frozen Light

neutron_p writes "Scientists at Harvard University have shown how ultra-cold atoms can be used to freeze and control light to form the "core" - or central processing unit - of an optical computer. Optical computers would transport information ten times faster than traditional electronic devices, smashing the intrinsic speed limit of silicon technology. This new research could be a major breakthrough in the quest to create super-fast computers that use light instead of electrons to process information. Professor Lene Hau is one of the world's foremost authorities on "slow light". Her research group became famous for slowing down light, which normally travels at 186,000 miles per second, to less than the speed of a bicycle."

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  1. Moore's law strikes again by SIGALRM · · Score: 5, Funny
    ultra-cold atoms can be used to freeze and control light
    Crap, and I just bought a new water-cooled chassis with 6 fans and alot of cool neon light tubes...

    Where do I get one of these? No, I want it now :)
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    1. Re:Moore's law strikes again by Penguinisto · · Score: 2, Funny
      "and alot of cool neon light tubes..."

      ...aren't you afraid that the neon light will screw up the new CPU?

      /P

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    2. Re:Moore's law strikes again by antic · · Score: 5, Funny


      For those looking for a better reference of the measure mentioned, Speed of a Bicycle is in between Mum Falling Down the Stairs, and Cat Jumping Out of the Bath.

      Slashdot: News for Nerds, Physics for the Vague.

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    3. Re:Moore's law strikes again by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's that in Libraries of Congress ... per fortnight?

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    4. Re:Moore's law strikes again by Criffer · · Score: 5, Funny

      The ISO Library Of Congress is a measure of information, so LoC/fortnight is a measure of data rate.

      The speed of a bicycle is a physical velocity, of about one attoparsec per microfortnight (~1 ft/s).

    5. Re:Moore's law strikes again by metlin · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Slashdot: News for Nerds, Physics for the Vague.

      Tell me about it. For a website that fashions itself as one for nerds, the speed of bicycle thing sounded as bad as Opera talking physics.

      Is it so hard to specify the specific value to which the beam of light was slowed down to? At the very least, they could have linked to a slightly more detailed article on freezing light.

      Almost sounds like some arts major posted something in physics that went over their heads

    6. Re:Moore's law strikes again by kahei · · Score: 3, Funny


      I'm from the UK -- could you express that in Football Fields or Areas The Size Of The Isle Of Wight please?

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    7. Re:Moore's law strikes again by HughJJorgan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Amazingly, Google disagrees with both of you. And I quote:

      (1 attoParsec) / (0.000001 fortnight) = 0.0836939721 ft / s

    8. Re:Moore's law strikes again by shadowbearer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cat Jumping Out of the Bath

      That's a pretty large upper limit. We're talking relativistic velocities here. Somehow I doubt a bike can move that fast (ok, one of the new plastic crotch rockets maybe :)

      But it does put a new light on the old maxim, "Beware blue cats moving at .99c"

      Eh.

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  2. If you overclock it too much... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...you will void your warranty and may suffer a severe sunburn.

    1. Re:If you overclock it too much... by HungSoLow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you overclock it you'll likely break some laws of physics, which has a far greater consequence than a sunburn!

  3. I am a skeptic by Flywheels+of+Fire · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of the positive fanatics write lots of papers; those who think it's not going anywhere (like me) don't. There are sound physical reasons to be skeptical, in my mind:

    1) Wavelengths are too big: 1 micron is now a large number, and optics doesn't work much smaller than this.

    2) There are no good nonlinearities. Anyone can make a linear OR gate optically, but to function as an effective digital technology you need nonlinearity and level restoration. This is missing in pure optical systems, except at very high power levels. The high power levels imply low density. There are some optical gates which process data in "femtoseconds," but ask them how long it takes to get to the next gate. Maybe someday someone will invent a great, low power, fast, optically nonlinear material. Don't invest in it yet.

    3) The serious workers are now mostly working in combined electronic/optical modes. The speeds here are limited by the gate speeds of the electronics, just like normal computers. You have to then ask if optics is a good (cost effective, space efficient, low power...) replacement for wire. Ultimately, the answer is probably yes, but there's an awful lot of work to do before that's true (for the distances of a few centimeters in high density computers, that is).

    1. Re:I am a skeptic by OneOver137 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1) Wavelengths are too big: 1 micron is now a large number, and optics doesn't work much smaller than this.

      Please clarify what you mean here. 1 micron is in the IR, and optical laws work just fine down to fractions of an Angstrom as in Bragg diffraction and scattering of solids.

    2. Re:I am a skeptic by karvind · · Score: 5, Informative
      Wavelengths are too big: 1 micron is now a large number, and optics doesn't work much smaller than this

      I am not sure what you meant by this. Modern photolithography (used in production) has optics which works well at the 193nm wavelength. EUV which is lot more complicated has optics which works all the way to 13nm wavelength.

      The speeds here are limited by the gate speeds of the electronics, just like normal computers.

      I think you meant interconnect delay and not switching speed of a transistor. State of the art and next generation transistors can switch in a fraction of a picosecond. On the other hand interconnects don't scale well and are the bottleneck.

      Optical interconnects can break even for clock distribution were skew & crosstalk are important and the network has lot of capacitive load. That, in my opinion, will be the first place where optics will enter into microprocessors.

    3. Re:I am a skeptic by wwest4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > those who think it's not going anywhere (like me) don't [write papers].
      > There are sound physical reasons to be skeptical, in my mind:

      No disrespect intended, but... having doubts is a lousy reason to be discouraged from research into this, or any, field. The reality is exactly the reverse: skepticism is a really good motivation to go and validate your assertions, instead of just keeping them unproven in your mind.

    4. Re:I am a skeptic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      1) Wavelengths are too big: 1 micron is now a large number, and optics doesn't work much smaller than this.

      Not precisely correct. Most of the optical switches that Intel was developing back in 1999-2000 used evanescent modes to propagate along phosphorous-doped silicon waveguides with widths in the .3 um range. Result: you can move the light around in smaller pipes, but the evanescent modes decay quickly, on the order of centimeters.

      2) There are no good nonlinearities. Anyone can make a linear OR gate optically, but to function as an effective digital technology you need nonlinearity and level restoration. This is missing in pure optical systems, except at very high power levels. The high power levels imply low density. There are some optical gates which process data in "femtoseconds," but ask them how long it takes to get to the next gate. Maybe someday someone will invent a great, low power, fast, optically nonlinear material. Don't invest in it yet.

      Can you expand on this a bit? I'm confused as to how releveling implies high powers. Are you saying that the need for additional power input in order to improve the eye is prohibitive? Are you talking power input or optical power density?

      Secondly, the gate region of a MOSFET (if doped appropriately to make the energy levels right) is an optically nonlinear material that makes a great switch. By setting the appropriate bias levels statically, one can change an optical OR gate into an AND gate into a NAND gate on the fly. While the switching rate is in tens of gigahertz, the reconfiguration rate is much slower, in the megahertz range, because you have to bleed off the common-mode biasing caps with another circuit and this takes longer. You can even have a buffered feedback circuit that does dynamic pre-emphasis over a few bits at a time. So what you have is an electrically biased and reconfigurable switch where the data path is all optical.

      3) The serious workers are now mostly working in combined electronic/optical modes. The speeds here are limited by the gate speeds of the electronics, just like normal computers. You have to then ask if optics is a good (cost effective, space efficient, low power...) replacement for wire. Ultimately, the answer is probably yes, but there's an awful lot of work to do before that's true (for the distances of a few centimeters in high density computers, that is).

      I agree. I'll bet that Intel's trying to perfect on-chip semiconductor lasers fabricated in their existing process. I'm pretty sure that they've nailed optical recievers in their process already.

    5. Re:I am a skeptic by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I am not sure what you meant by this. Modern photolithography (used in production) has optics which works well at the 193nm wavelength. EUV which is lot more complicated has optics which works all the way to 13nm wavelength.

      While those statements are true, I'm not sure if it's really legitimate to say that those wavelengths will work well inside a computational device.

      Calling 13nm 'extreme ultraviolet' is marketing--those are really soft x-rays at that point. You're getting into photons that are inconveniently energetic. That's fine if you're doing lithographic etching of chips, but murderous on your hardware in daily operation.

      We also don't have light sources capable of anywhere near the appropriate level of miniaturization for those very short wavelengths. Constructing one large EUV source for a chip fab plant is a very different engineering problem from constructing hundreds, thousands, or millions of such sources on each chip. The optics also get much more complex, expensive, and exotic as you move to shorter wavelengths. Once again, things that can be done in a billion-dollar chip fab are quite different from things that can be done on a hundred-dollar microchip.

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    6. Re:I am a skeptic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      Secondly, the gate region of a MOSFET (if doped appropriately to make the energy levels right) is an optically nonlinear material that makes a great switch. By setting the appropriate bias levels statically, one can change an optical OR gate into an AND gate into a NAND gate on the fly. While the switching rate is in tens of gigahertz, the reconfiguration rate is much slower, in the megahertz range, because you have to bleed off the common-mode biasing caps with another circuit and this takes longer. You can even have a buffered feedback circuit that does dynamic pre-emphasis over a few bits at a time. So what you have is an electrically biased and reconfigurable switch where the data path is all optical.

      That idea floated in 60s-70s and they know it doesn't work that way. Just because you can dope the gate, it doesn't make it optically non-linear. There may be some trap-based transitions, but the gain would be too low for any useful computation. The band gap changes by atmost few millivolts. Please do some literature homework before posting. The reconfiguring time is a separate issue.

    7. Re:I am a skeptic by drmerope · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is a common misconception that transistors are like switches. That explanation misses the point entirely. In digital circuits transistors are used as amplifers. Traditional computers work by charging and discharging capacitors.

      Parent's parent's point about high-energy is that if your signal is strong enough to begin with, you might be able to finish the computation without amplifying it. In practice, this does not happen. Google "pass-gate" logic to learn how to use transistors as switches and how limited (and slow of a solution it is).

      Second, the creators of this techology are scientists not engineers. Scientists are notoriously good at making one of something. In the real world we have to deal with parameter variations. Variability during manufacturing, variability in materials + contaminants, variability in operating conditions.

      How much variablity you support relates directly to the cost. When you talk about biasing a mosfet to be an OR gate or an AND gate you give the engineer in me a heartattack.

      What you're proposing is to throw-away the digital abstraction and introduce two-sided constraint assumptions. As a first guess, that seems reckless until you do a _very_ thorough analysis.

      You've also not given a proposal for making an optical latch. No latch, no go--unless you're ready to dispose of the synchronous design abstraction as well.

      If you're really serious about abandoning all of those assumptions, you should read "Asynchronous Pulse-Logic" (Kluwer Academic Publishers,2002) to get a feel for the formalism you have to develop to have a notion of "engineering soundness" for what you propose.

  4. Cold Matters when it comes to Overclocking ... by Hulkster · · Score: 4, Informative
    I guess all those guys using liquid water cooling (and even the folks using liquid Nitrogen) just got one-upped ... will we start seeing benchmarks using liquid Helium cooling?

    BTW, for those interested, here's a direct link to the "Light at Bicycle Speed ... and Slower Yet!" presentation - I was travelling about that speed in my coldest car during a Colorado snowstorm.

    1. Re:Cold Matters when it comes to Overclocking ... by Y2 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I guess all those guys using liquid water cooling (and even the folks using liquid Nitrogen) just got one-upped

      Try running a standard LED in liquid nitrogen once. It gets seriously brighter.

      But it won't have the same effect on your friends.

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  5. nature abhors a vacuum unless it's a dirt devil by Leontes · · Score: 4, Funny

    e=mc^2 except where c is like slower and fuck, headache.

    1. Re:nature abhors a vacuum unless it's a dirt devil by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 3, Funny

      In other news, electricity is being generated from Albert Einstein's coffin as he spins in his grave...

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    2. Re:nature abhors a vacuum unless it's a dirt devil by FhnuZoag · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not the same.

      The c in E=mc^2 (or E^2 = M^2c^4 + p^2c^2) refers to an intrinsic property of spacetime. Bose Einstein Condensates and so on don't really alter that. One way to think about it is to stop with the 'slowing down light thing', and instead conceive it as the BEC swallowing up photons for a while, storing the information, and then reconstructing a new photon which is exactly identical at the end. This is pretty much the same, because in QM, you can't really track anything exactly, and you definitely can't distinguish between objects with the same properties.

    3. Re:nature abhors a vacuum unless it's a dirt devil by coopex · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yo man it be DJ Doomday, fresh from busting phat rhymes with my homie MC Hawking. I fin to give an explaination uh de momma pos fuh my homies Sheeit!

      Yo buss dis. It's not de same. De c in E=mc^2 (or E^2 = M^2c^4 + p^2c^2) refers to an intrinsic property uh spacetime. Bose Einstein Condensates an' so on ain't really altuh dat. One way to think 'boutit be to stop wit de 'slowin down light thin', an' instead conceive it as de BEC swallowin up photons fuh a while, storin de information, an' den reconskructin a new photon which be exactly identical at de end. Dis be pretty much de same, because in QM, you kaint really track anythin exactly, an' you definitely kaint distinuish between objects wit de same properties. Sheeit!

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  6. Quick Reflection on a Slow Mirror by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Imagine trying to harness today's 3GHz CPUs with 1930s lab bench equipment. Digital electronics could have seemed another universe, out of reach in a universe of alternate physics "beyond radio". If photonic computation is within reach at artifically lowered speeds, we might be just about to cross the watershed, like going from transistor to ENIAC.

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    1. Re:Quick Reflection on a Slow Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      What, you mean backwards in time, braniac?

      ENIAC: 1946
      Transistor: 1947

    2. Re:Quick Reflection on a Slow Mirror by OECD · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's a braniac?

      An early computer created at the University of Kansas. Lacking easy access to the sand necessary for silicon-based components, midwesterners experimented with wheat-based computing. Unfortunately, they were never able to get all the bugs out.

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  7. Famous for writing IE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Her research group became famous for slowing down light, which normally travels at 186,000 miles per second, to less than the speed of a bicycle."

    Ah, so she worked on IE.

  8. depends on who is riding the bicycle by buddhahat · · Score: 5, Funny

    became famous for slowing down light, which normally travels at 186,000 miles per second, to less than the speed of a bicycle.

    ah yes, the Speed of a Bicycle (SoaB) metric for slow light.

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  9. The best thing about frozen light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The best thing about frozen light is that you can put it in your freezer, so that when there's a blackout, it will thaw and then you'll have light.

    1. Re:The best thing about frozen light by soops1966 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is that why the light comes on when you open the fridge door?

  10. errrmmmm... by shades66 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >to less than the speed of a bicycle.

    So is that
    1) A Bicycle with a jet engine strapped to it?
    2) A Bicycle going up a hill with an 80 year old man on it?
    3) A Bicycle being dropped off a building/cliff
    4) A Bicycle being raced?
    5) other?

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    1. Re:errrmmmm... by magarity · · Score: 2, Funny

      We can safely rule out 'A' since velocity can't be negative; any bicycle with just a bare jet engine strapped to it ain't goin' nowhere.

    2. Re:errrmmmm... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Funny

      and I thought we could safely rule out 'A' because it wasn't one of the given options? ;-)


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    3. Re:errrmmmm... by brontus3927 · · Score: 2, Funny

      oops, pesky "k" I think I just sent the Mars Polar Orbiter careening to it's death

  11. Means nothing by brontus3927 · · Score: 3, Funny

    And this means absolutely nothing to the non-supercomputer world. Light doesn't slow itself down for free. Freezing light for this proccess likely takes the expenditure equal to the GDP of a small country. At best, in the next 50 years there will be 2 frozen light optiocal supercomputers

    1. Re:Means nothing by brontus3927 · · Score: 3, Funny

      And I wasn't trying to be funny. I was trying to be information on insightful.

  12. Tech News Units Of Measure by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 2, Funny

    I propose that "speed of a bicycle" be adopted as the standard measure of velocity in technical articles. Units already included in the standard are "Libraries of Congress" for data storage requirements and "Size of a Volkswagon" for physical size measurements.

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    1. Re:Tech News Units Of Measure by Stormcrow309 · · Score: 4, Funny

      We need a conversion factor to BSUs (Bull Shit Units) for all of these standards.

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    2. Re:Tech News Units Of Measure by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 4, Funny

      Metric BSUs or standard BSUs?

  13. Re:I'm pretty sure... by buddhahat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of bicycles!

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  14. In Soviet Russia... by Pugflop · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...the light freezes you!

    Will it at least make and keep my vodka cold, comrade?

  15. Awesome by back@slash · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now all we need is Advanced Military Algoritms and Pre-Sentient Algorithms until we achieve Fusion Power and our units become twice as strong as our enemy's units.

    Intellectual Integrity and Cyberethics may pose a problem however.

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  16. Does this mean.... by Datamonstar · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll finally get that lightsaber I've been wanting?

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  17. Can a physics geek explain how you "freeze" light? by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Obviously it's not simply a temperature thing, since most of space is absolute zero, and I can see stars and suns and stuff. So it's not freezing light as in freezing water.

    So how exactly do you stop photons from moving? How does this affect relativity (e=mc^2)? How does this affect our perception of the universe - ie; if the light from the star that we think is 10,000 light years away is only moving 20mph or so, it could really be millions of light years away?

    Does like, time slow down? My heads spinning. Freeze sounds like the wrong word.

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  18. Speed of light by dreadknought · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The speed of light is _only_ 186,000 mi/sec when traveling through a vacuum. Light travels at slower speeds through all other mediums (i.e. earth's atmosphere, glass, a super-cooled diamond, etc)

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  19. Thank you, The Annoying Randi (tm) by absurdist · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Personally, I'm very happy that there are people out there without your rigidly defined definitions of what's impossible and what's not.

    While this may not work (and I emphasize may, isn't it just a wee bit early to pronounce it impossible, implausible, or impractical?

    1. Re:Thank you, The Annoying Randi (tm) by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can't even get past my "defined definitions" of what's redundant and what's not!

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  20. Re:I'm pretty sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of bicycles!

    Don't they already do something like that in France?!

  21. Re:Can a physics geek explain how you "freeze" lig by aBrownCow · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Wikipedia: 'In a sense, any light travelling through a medium other than a vacuum travels below c as a result of refraction. However, certain materials have an exceptionally high refractive index: in particular, the optical density of a Bose-Einstein condensate can be very high. In 1999, a team of scientists led by Lene Hau were able to slow the speed of a light beam to about 17 metres per second, and, in 2001, they were able to momentarily stop a beam.' Slowing light down is nothing new, it happens every time light travels through a medium other than the vacuum of space. Atmosphere, glass window, diamond, etc. It just so happens that we can now create in a laboratory these BEC's, a so-called "superfluid" which is basically a substance cooled to the point where nearly every atom collapses to the lowest quantum state (like, close to absolute zero). This gives it some interesting properties, like zero viscosity and an extremely high optical density. Hope that helps.

  22. Hype in search of funding Dollars by DumbSwede · · Score: 4, Informative
    OK, BSEs are neat and all. Good science and good physics, but just because one can be used to trap the phase and amplitude of a wave front of light for some time is a HUGE stretch to call it a computer.
    The title of this post clearly reads:
    Science: Optical Computer Made From Frozen Light

    We don't even have a diagram for a logic gate (or at least none are presented in the article) just some supposition in the article that such a thing could be used as a component. As for the 10x faster, where the hell did this number come from? Even if Moore's Law is slowing down (don't nit pick about it be about the number of components on a chip) it will make this "smashing" 10x advantage moot. Perhaps they refer to the speed of light in free space as opposed to signal speed copper. But even this doesn't make sense because signal speed in copper is about c/3.

    What really maters is how fast a gate can be made to switch, how easy it is to fabricate enough of them to do something useful, and how close you can pack them together. Until someone can put down on paper the diagram of how this thing would work it is pointless to posit that it would be 10x faster.

    Usually for these Pie-in-the-Sky type hype offerings it is common to claim 100x or 1000x or 1,000,000x times.

    That BSEs might be used someday as parts in a Quantum computer would be a completely different thing, and those calculations that could be done quantumly would be trillions of times faster, but only for very specific algorithms. This article is not talking about that possibility, but classical computing and I think they have a lot of work to do just to demonstrate a single working component. Let alone claim BSE computers are here or just around the corner.

  23. Re:Can a physics geek explain how you "freeze" lig by brontus3927 · · Score: 2, Informative
    1) Space isn't absolute zero. It hovers around 3 kelvins (three degrees Celsius above absolute zero)

    2)Really weird phyics like this doesn't start happening until things get really cold. Think tenths or hundredths of a degree above absolute zero. Of course, since energy and temperature are related concepts, at absolute zero, there is no energy, and nothing moves.

    3)Relativity is still in effect. In fact it makes a lot of sense here. Less temperature = less energy (e). the speed of light (c) decreases at the same rate as the square root of e. At asbolute zero, e=0 c=0 m=infinity. Time has no meaning to light. Time only slows down/speeds up when your velocity changes with respect to the speed of light. If you were in the supercooled state, time would in fact slow down. The formula for time dialation is here: t'=t(1-(v^2/c^2))^1/2

    4) At 1 Kelvin (still colder than space) everything works normally.

    5)At ultracold tempearture, Einstein predicted that really funky things would happen. Matter as we think of it tends to break down. It's called the Bose-Einstein condensate.

  24. Phasers?!?! by Kr3m3Puff · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does this mean we can actually make phasers that produce slow photons so we can have cool special effects in real life like Star Wars and Star Trek? Then our super heros can dodge lasers.

    I am sure this will be the next product on Think Geek.

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  25. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    6) A bicycle hurled through space at nearly the speed of light?

  26. Defining light? by ebvwfbw · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Light is known to behave as both a particle and a magnetic wave, like a radio wave. Maybe light isn't a radio wave at all, it is a different critter.

    There again she could be showing us smoke and mirrors. This is light after all. I'm still on the skeptical side.

  27. Speed of a bicycle? by loonicks · · Score: 2, Funny

    African or European?

  28. Re:Can a physics geek explain how you "freeze" lig by FhnuZoag · · Score: 2, Informative

    Real empty space (if such a thing exists) doesn't have a temperature. Temperature is about how much random kinetic energy something has, and nothing has no energy. (Actually wrong, because of virtual particles and the like, but let's just ignore this for now.)

    To freeze light, you reduce the temperature of the medium it travels in. When this gets really, really cold, because of quantum uncertainty, the whole lot stops acting like normal atoms at all, but as a single, big ball of stuff, following a set of mathematical laws known as Bose-Einstein statistics.

    A quick digression. How does light travel through the air? Photons and electromagnetic waves are only part of the action. Almost inevitably, a photon hits an atom of air in between. When this happens, it gets absorbed as energy, and this energy gets re-emitted as another photon. Due to the laws of physics, the probabilities are that the emmitted photon is like the original photon. So, measuring from the large scale, light seems to have been slowed down.

    My understanding is that this is the same when you send light into the BEC, only that the entire BEC acts like an atom. Freezing light then, is to stop the BEC from re-emitting indefinitely, and just store the properties of the photon.

    This has no effects on relativity. And it shouldn't affect our perception of the universe, because BECs are very fragile, and so probably rare.

  29. Speed of a bicycle by Criffer · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If your measurement for the speed of light is comparing it to the speed of a bicycle, how do you know that the light has slowed, and its not just the bicycle has been superaccelerated (being ridden really really really fast).

    Einstein showed there is no o bjective measure of speed. Of course, if a bicycle were to travel at the speed of light, it would be very heavy and very long, but, if you were the one riding it, you wouldn't notice...

  30. Adjusting definitions by benhocking · · Score: 4, Insightful
    • Despite what the popular press might say, the speed of light has never been claimed to be a constant. The speed of light in a vacuum (c), however, is asserted to be a constant. Frozen light does not challenge this assertion at all.
    • Instantaneous travel is impossible for the simple reason that "instantaneous" has no meaning. Quantum entanglement does not allow the transfer of information at faster-than-light speeds. It is worth noting that all kinds of things can travel faster than light (e.g., it is trival to show that shadows, humorously enough, can travel faster-than-light), but information is not one of those things.
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  31. Re:Speed of Light? by kebes · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm going to have to disagree with other repliers on this one. In much of physics (such as relativity and particle physics) it is stated that nothing can travel faster than c, and that light *always* travels at c (never faster or slower). Then in optics you're told that the speed of light depends on the material the light is travelling in. Confusion is understandable.

    If you want a picture of what's really going on, think of it this way: *photons* (the fundamental particles of light) always travel at the speed of light, c, as measured by any observer (like relativity says!). However, in optics, when we talk about "light" we don't usually mean individual photons, we mean a massive collection of them, and thus things change a bit. In vacuum, a light beam will travel at exactly c since all the photons travel at c. In a material, however, the photons are continually scattered by the atoms that make it up. These countless scattering events (which are essentially absorption and re-emission events) interfere and generate the final light-beam that we macroscopically observe. The interaction between the photons and the electron clouds in the material lead to time lags, if you will... so that the net macroscopic velocity appears reduced (even though, in principle, the photons travelling from one atom to the next were going at c).

    There are experiments where light is "slowed" or "stopped" or even moved backward... and some where light even travels "faster than light." But what is travelling at these speeds is the emergent phenomenon (the envelope of the photon interference pattern), not the individual photons that make it up. Thus, even if the envelope of a photon wave pattern is travelling faster than c (i.e.: the calculated group velocity is >c), you still can't send a signal faster than c. The "no energy/signal can go faster than speed of light" rule is very much maintained. For more information on this, google the difference between "phase velocity" and "group velocity" of light, which will give you some insights.

    The problem is that when introductory physics is taught, the difference between these different velocities is not mentioned (phase velocity != group velocity != photon velocity) And of course, news articles never mention it!!

  32. Re:Can a physics geek explain how you "freeze" lig by jonhuang · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was going to mod, but I guess a reply is better.

    regarding point (3)-- "ess temperature = less energy (e). the speed of light (c) decreases at the same rate as the square root of e." I call shenanigans. c is a constant here to relate the conversion of mass to energy (and vice versa). E does NOT reference heat energy.

    If it did, the speed of light would increase for hot objects (and on hot days). Time effects would be experienced by stars and nuclear reactors.

  33. Photon size problem by Laaserboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) Wavelengths are too big: 1 micron is now a large number, and optics doesn't work much smaller than this.

    This poster is correct. Since I have a Ph.D. in the field and the parent obviously knows something about optics, I might as well respond to the parent's critics.

    IR photons are BIG. Forcing light to bend around corners is difficult. A waveguide must have a very high index of refraction if it is to be used to bend light within a reasonable radius. To the extent a Bose-Einstein Condensate helps this problem is encouraging if you don't mind cooling your computer to 2 millikelvin.

    The speed of these optical computers always seems to come down to limitations of the silicon processors that work in conjunction with the light.

    It's just a Bose-Einstein Condensate. These projects take time. While we are enamored with this BEC project, some poor grad student is working on carbon doping. Higher doping might improve the world of electronics far more than another optical computer claim.

    I visited Hau's website and did, though, enjoy her papers. I just don't think the press release accurately portrays the low engineering potential of this work.

  34. Re:Changing world of Physics by vrt3 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The speed of light is now known to be controllable. One major university laboratory recently was able to actually stop light from moving. That kind of blows the constant out of the water.

    No it doesn't. The speed of light and the speed of light are actually two different things.

    One is a constant, the maximum speed at which anything can travel. For example, light travels at that speed in a vacuum.

    The other is the actual value of light in specified circumstances, for example the speed of light in air or the speed of light in glass. Light travels slower through material compared to a vacuum, but that doesn't mean that the constant as mentioned above changes. It just means that the speed is bounded by the constant.
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  35. Twice as LONG units? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Funny

    If we can slow light to somehow make our "units" twice as long, we'll never get in a war again. Their women won't consider our lives expendable.

  36. Re:Changing world of Physics by kebes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That kind of blows the constant out of the water.

    Refer to my other post (in reply to GP). The "speed constant" is very much intact, when you remember that it refers to photon velocity, not the group velocity of a light beam. The group velocity can have any value: 0, positive, negative, less than c, greater than c, etc. (just like, as another poster points out, the "movement" of a shadow can have any value). The fact that the envelope of a photon interference pattern (the group velocity) travels at a certain velocity does not imply that the constituent photons were travelling at this velocity. Thus, signals still cannot be transferred at these apparently superluminal speeds.

    We also now know for a fact that instantanious travel is physically possible via quantum entanglement, across any distance. Proven in a lab.

    Not exactly. What has been proven in a lab is that there are inescapable correlations in entangled quanum systems. However, due to the very nature of quantum mechanics and entanglement (and things like Heisenberg indeterminacy), there is no way to use these correlations to send signals or energy instantaneously. Yes quantum correlations operate over arbitrary distance, and yes they appear to operate "instantly"... but although the extent of correlation is always predictable (using quantum theory) the exact outcome of a particular experiment is not predictable, making it impossible to use this technique to send "faster-than-light" transmissions.

    Physics is amazing and exciting enough without the hyperbole and misinterpretations that often weigh it down.

  37. Expensive, Unreliable Storage! by MattyDK23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Using the same apparatus, which contains a cloud of ultra-cold sodium atoms, they have even managed to freeze light altogether. Professor Hau says this could have applications in memory storage for a future generation of optical computers.

    I'll assume the store medium will need to be kept at this "ultra-cold" temperature for data to be safely stored. What if the cooling system fails (e.g. power failure, compressor failure, etc.). Or what if you don't have the resources to maintain this ultra-cold environment?

    I think I'll stick to cheaper and more reliable store mediums like optical disks or solid state memory.

  38. We all live in a BE Condensate by FreshDug · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That isn't just an optical computer, that is where we live. Inside a frozen photon! Think about it. What does relativity tell us about the nature of the universe at the speed of light? It tells us that as we approach the speed of light, space and time compress. At the speed of light, they cease to exist! Google the twins paradox for more information. Essentially, this has been proven to be true with atomic clocks calibrated with each other, one on the ground and one aboard a plane traveling several times the speed of sound. Later when compared, they deviated precisely with what Einstein predicts in his equations, thus confirming Relativity.The twins paradox is a true property of our universe. Obviously light is a most transcendent property of the universe. Whereas everything else appears to slow and contract in relation to it, it alone remains constant. Nothing of mass can travel at C but light can. It has a unique perspective, if you can imagine it. It does not see a universe, indeed it sees nothing at all, thus how does it move? It does not, it rests as a single solitary photon. Like a frozen photon, a BEC, or Bose-Einstein Condensate. These are the exact properties of our universe! Gentlemen, I say to you, we exist within a Bose Einstein Condensate!!! Incidentally, they're saying Moore's law is dead or at least MIA. But all this, according to Ilya Prigogine coincides perfectly with the law of dissipative structures. Moore's Law is simply following a traditional bell curve. But from within it, scaffolding ever higher, comes the seeds of the next bell curve! In this case, it would appear optical computers are it...

  39. Re:Talk about a computing revolution by srleffler · · Score: 2, Informative

    The speed of light in a vacuum is constant. When light enters any material, it slows down. The amount it slows down is related to the refractive index of the material. These 'slow light' researchers have managed to create very weird materials that have extraordinarily high refractive index at low temperatures. This causes the light to slow down a lot, or even to stop (for materials where the refractive index becomes infinite).

  40. A Little Off-Topic, but... by Dysson · · Score: 3, Funny

    Kudos to whoever is giving out low mod points to people whose jokes completely blow. I have seen "Funny,5" way too many times for observations that are just too painfully unfunny to read.

    >In Soviet Russia, light freezes you!!

    God, please stop.

  41. Re:I am a skeptic also by phage434 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I agree completely. Light is too big -- the poster that thinks you can use 13 nm radiation hasn't tried to make it in silicon, and has not thought about what it will do to the electronics or the material structures of the silicon device.

    As you say, there are no good low power nonlinearities. High power nonlinearities are easy to find -- the vacuum is nonlinear at high enough power levels. But I know of no optical nonlinearities which are functional at low -- or even modest -- power densities. This is important because it affects the packing density of the circuitry (see below).

    The article uses a faulty metric -- the speed of propagation of signals is not the important criterion for designing a computer, but rather the delay in reaching the next gate. This depends as much or more on the density of the components (and the dimensionality of the construction technique) as it does on the speed. If components are spaced a foot apart, then it takes more than a nanosecond to reach them no matter what. While it is true that properly buffered CMOS on-chip wiring is only about 3% of the speed of light, the density (and required low power) of CMOS allows billions of gates to be reached in a nanosecond. Optical technology has a LONG WAY to go in reaching this point, let alone exceeding it. By then, 3-D silicon will make these numbers dramatically higher.

    Also, superconducting on-chip interconnect will make on-chip silicon wiring dramatically faster (10x?) and is a much much easier technology that BEC.

    But the physics is sure cool.

  42. Re:Refraction = slowing? by barawn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wait, if this is just refraction, then the light isn't slowed at all, right?

    No, it is. Mentioning refraction is a little odd, as refraction is caused by the slowing of light, not the cause of the slowing of light.

    Once you're out of free space, the speed that an electric field can move can be hugely affected by density, etc.

    Think of it this way: in a high optical density material, light is so slow because it has to drag electrons around as it moves. Light's an electromagnetic field, after all, and electrons have an electric field.

    Now, you could *also* consider on a very, very small scale (sub-sub-atomic) that the photons are in fact still traveling at the speed of light - it's just that they're interacting so often with the electrons present that their net speed is very, very, very low.

  43. Re:Bose Einstein Condensate? by sexylicious · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can do it at close to room temps if you have a gas of atoms and you use lasers and evaporative cooling. There have been experiments done wher BECs were made on a chip.

  44. LIGHT IS A FLUID IF IT CAN BE FROZEN by newpath4comVersion2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Light is a fluid if it can be frozen and conducts electricity! This is interesting. If Light can be slowed to a crawl in a Earth refigerator, wouldn't that mean in the Deep Freeze we call Outer Space that's it's already going slower EVERYWHERE? This would mean that Light Speed is only 186,000 on Earth... That Light Speed is really slower than electricity. That my brain is working faster than the Speed of Light. And that THEN we run into a whole host of conclusions: http://www.newpath4.com/formulaeperpetual_perpetua ltimeperpetualspaceperpetualpowerperpetualmomentum perpetualmotion_3plus4equals5.gif & http://www.newpath4.com/forsalespacecraftenginecon stantpowertheory.htm . The definitions are all being sucked into a Black Hole: http://www.newpath4.com/anwar_drillitfastdrillitgo odforgetaboutthneighborhood_anwar.htm . Heck, with the Speed of Light now in question it means there's a very real possibility I'm completely right and the REST OF YOU ARE ALL COMPLETELY WRONG. hehehehehehehehehe This has been another post by Woodrow Riley, who never claimed to be another Einstein but may be anyway.