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GameStop buys EB

Dram writes "Business Week, among others, is reporting that GameStop will buy Electronics Boutique for $1.4 billion. Hopefully this will allow both chains to better compete with Wal-Mart and Best Buy for our gaming dollars."

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  1. Walmart & bb by nb+caffeine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since I refuse to shop at walmart and theres no BB within an hour, my local EB is my first and usually only stop to buy games. There are actually 2 in my home town, one that sells mostly new games, one that sells mostly used. I can always find a copy of the game i want used (within a week or two of being released even! saw copies of halo2 used for $40 or so less than week after its debut). So, i hope this deal doesnt (negatively) impact the used games market. While i would love to support developers and buy everything new, i really dont have the cash for that.

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    1. Re:Walmart & bb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Gamestop is very much into the used game market. More so than EB. In fact, I hit Gamestop way before EB.

    2. Re:Walmart & bb by nb+caffeine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, thats good then. There isnt a gamestop in my area. Ive only ever been in once, and it was smaller than the nearby eb. I wasnt terribly impressed with the selection, but then again, it was one store in a small town.

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    3. Re:Walmart & bb by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      Buy online and you won't even have to leave the house.

    4. Re:Walmart & bb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Online is the only way to go.

      Easy to browse selection, no wasted time. Yeah.

    5. Re:Walmart & bb by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      At my local mall, EB and Gamestop are less than 20 feet from each other. Most other malls I have been in are similiar. There is also a Kmart, Best Buy, Circuit City, Target, and Walmart with 5-20 minutes of each other.

      EB and Gamestop are already clones of one another with Gamestop have a bit more floor space and a better selection of PC games. I see this as nothing but bad news with an elimination of competition.

      On the bright side it means there might be some close out deals at EB soon.

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  2. Well by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Shares of Electronics Boutique rose even higher -- up $14.42 or 35.1 percent, to $55.54 -- in trading Monday morning on the Nasdaq Stock Market."

    Judging on the current volatility in the games market, some people would decide to sell any stock they own at this point. It would probably be worth remembering about the PS3 and Xbox2 being just around the corner. This buyout will create a company definitely worth watching.

    1. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to slashdot.

  3. Um... by GoodbyeBlueSky1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully this will allow both chains to better compete with Wal-Mart and Best Buy for our gaming dollars.

    I don't understand, both GameStop and EB suffer from varying degrees of suckiness. I've had to deal with enough crap from both stores to wish they'd just go out of business altogether.

    While Walmart and Best Buy might not be all that great either, they are ALWAYS, WITHOUT EXCEPTION cheaper or equal in pricing to GameStop/EB for new games.

    Used games are a different story, but when I see games that retail new for $19.99 selling for $17.99 used, or $49.99 games selling for $44.99 used, I feel like you're a sucker for buying used games there (this intarweb thing works pretty well for that). On top of which is the fact that you won't get more than $5 cash/store credit for selling that $49.99 game that they turn around and sell for $44.99. Bastards.

    Mod me a troll if you must, but I doubt I'm the only one with these complaints.

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    1. Re:Um... by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It used to be that Funcoland and EB were both great. Then GameStop bought Funcoland and turned it to shit, and EB dropped their customer friendly return policy. Even more recently both stores have adopted a hostile policy of pushing pre-orders. Perhaps together they can propel the customer service level to lows previously unobtainable in a gaming store.

      Somebody should remind these companies that they are value-added retailers. If they don't go out of their way to please every customer, then there's no reason not to buy your games at Wal-Mart. That means they shoud stock enough games and drop the pre-order shit, and they should have a return policy that doesn't violate the laws of most states.

    2. Re:Um... by pnice · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't forget about that wonderful greeting when you walk through the doors at Gamestop, "Did you bring in your trades?"

      They could call it "Loan Star Gamestop" or "Silver Dollar Gamestop" and it would actually fit in with the rest of the pawn shops here in Texas.

    3. Re:Um... by PyroMosh · · Score: 1

      they should have a return policy that doesn't violate the laws of most states.

      Can you please elaborate? I've never had to return a game before, so perhaps that's why, but I don't know what you're referring to.

    4. Re:Um... by generic-man · · Score: 3, Informative

      In Florida, a woman's video games were stolen and then returned by the thief to EB for store credit. EB then resold the games in violation of Florida state law, which requires at least a 30-day wait to resell used goods.

      Ivan256, the original poster, used this one incident to imply that Electronics Boutique has a corporate directive to break the law.

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    5. Re:Um... by GamingEngineer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The cool thing about smaller game shops like EB and Gamestop is that depending on the management and the area they are located in, you can sometimes find a genuinely cool atmosphere in them. They're also great for those hard-to-find older or niche titles that warehouse stores don't carry, because they don't move off the shelves fast enough.

      My only qualms with EB are the pushes to preorder something or buy an additional item. If you're a gamer, you usually know what you want when you walk in the store. I don't want pushy sales. If I buy a game at Target, I can just get the sales rep to open the glass case, hand me the game, and ring up the sale. That all depends on the management.

      The other thing I have an issue with is how EB has a habit of opening a new copy of a game to be able to put it on the display shelf. If it's the last copy in stock, they want to sell it to you at the price of a new game, even though the goo from the 5 stickers that have been put on the case and the discs that have just been kept in a drawer somewhere can put the game in a condition that can be worse than many used games. No thanks. Why not use electronic security devices or some other method?

    6. Re:Um... by startled · · Score: 2, Informative

      While Walmart and Best Buy might not be all that great either, they are ALWAYS, WITHOUT EXCEPTION cheaper or equal in pricing to GameStop/EB for new games.

      I've also found EB usually has the games earlier than WalMar and BestBuy, and at least the ones near me are more likely to have some niche titles. They differentiate in different ways-- price is one area of competition, but not the only one.

    7. Re:Um... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      If a game came out for $49.99 in EB/Gamestop, it stays that way for 6 months.

      If a game came out for $49.99 in Bestbuy, there will be a single weekend where the game will be available for $34.99 or $39.99. After that, it will stay $49.99 for 6 months.

      If you don't mind paying the full price, it makes zero difference.

    8. Re:Um... by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      What happened after that?

    9. Re:Um... by r00td43m0n · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My only qualms with EB are the pushes to preorder something or buy an additional item. I have worked at Best Buy and now I currently work at EB. The reason EB does it (Best Buy as well) because helps increase items per transaction (IPT). We are tracked on that as well as Pre-Orders, Game Guarantees (1-year insurance) and other extras. "Pushing" these things is part of the job. I knew a few people that got fired from Best Buy for not "pushing" Magazines and PRPs (Product Replacement Plans). The other thing I have an issue with is how EB has a habit of opening a new copy of a game to be able to put it on the display shelf. We do this because we keep the boxes on the shelves so people who don't know about the game can see it on the shelf and see what it's about. If it's the last copy in stock...even though the goo from the 5 stickers that have been put on the case and the discs that have just been kept in a drawer somewhere... We put the stickers on the case because it is part of SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) that is set and required by the company. As for the games they are put in sleeves that are filed away with other games. We don't toss them bare into drawers. Why not use electronic security devices or some other method? Have you realized that most EB's are pretty tiny? Having to keep a plastic security case for each game and extra cases (for new games), plus whatever other inventory we have, would not leave us any space for the cardboard stands and other items we keep in back. Best Buy uses the plastic security cases and they take up a considerable amount of space, which most EB's don't have.

    10. Re:Um... by jayhawk88 · · Score: 3, Funny

      He means that EB issue a refund for a game that's been opened, so he can't burn a copy of Halo 2 and take it back for a full refund. Bastards.

    11. Re:Um... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I go into gamestop all the time. I truly do miss the Funcoland of old - they went to hell when they were bought out by gamestop, long before they changed the names of all the funcolands to gamestop. In particular they carried stuff for older systems, understanding that it brought people into the store on a regular basis. Gamestop doesn't get this and now I have nowhere to buy sega saturn games. Anyway gamestop is a great place to pick up used cables, controllers, and systems. If you don't like their game prices, don't buy games from them. As long as they're open, I'll be in there buying memory cards and extension cables.

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    12. Re:Um... by mr.+glass · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely right. Well put!!

    13. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to mention the fact that EB and GS employees have the perk of bringing store copies of games home for personal use, then bringing them back for the store to resell as brand new, at brand new prices. That's always nice, especially since EB/GS employees are blessed with super-duper magic that makes everything they touch with their grubby fingers from being considered "used." And if you ever call one of these places, and they tell you that they have one last new copy of any game, forget about it. The likelihood that it will be an open copy covered in nacho cheese from next door's Taco Bell is at least as high as the likelihood that the game is listed in the computer inventory but isn't actually physically in the store because little Maynard the part-timer likes it so much and is playing it at home on his day off.

      Actually, I really don't mind the fact that you guys take games home, I just mind having to pay full price for what is essentially an open game. I'd feel the same about buying the copy of a game that was only ever played in the store at the new price, simply because that copy IS NOT NEW, and shouldn't be sold as such. Do you know how disheartening it is to find that the last copy of some game for miles is being sold at some EB/GS as "new," but is damaged beyond all recognition because all the store employees had their go at it? I've even had one GS clerk try to hawk off a "new" game where they'd lost the manual - but they DID offer to shrinkwrap the game for me if I bought it (shrinkwrapping it over the price sticker on the case, which "correctly" listed it at its new price, natch). Thanks a lot, right?

      No, I'll stick to the mom & pop import shop. I'm lucky to have a local one (used to have three) that still has prices, an excellent order reservation system, and a CLEAN store that is suitable for storing both older used games and the latest new stuff without having to open everything up and shuffle discs and carts around in drawers. And when they open a game, it remains available for sale...but at a reduced price, because by then it is USED. Seriously, some of my happiest game purchases have been the store copies of games at this place.

    14. Re:Um... by silentbobdp · · Score: 1

      "That means they shoud stock enough games and drop the pre-order shit, and they should have a return policy that doesn't violate the laws of most states."

      You can't even spell. Seriously.

      Do you know how much it would cost, and how much room it would take, if GS/EB stocked EVERY shitty little game? Obviously you do not. What if a store only buys 20 of everything, no matter how big it is? Or like Madden? Madden costs a store 40.25$ to purchase from EA. EACH UNIT. So if they order a lot, because they've had a TON of reserves in the past, but they stopped taking reserves just this year, and they have way too many, they're out a SHITLOAD due to price drops by EA on these games that cost them 40.25$ to purchase. (Remember when Madden dropped to 30? Yea, that fucked everyone up.)

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    15. Re:Um... by realityfighter · · Score: 1

      and EB dropped their customer friendly return policy.

      Since when did EB have a customer friendly return policy? I remember them giving me the runaround about a game in an uponened box when I tried to return it in 1995.

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    16. Re:Um... by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Lots of geeks threatened to boycott EB. In other words, nothing.

      On the legal front, I'm sure EB just threw money at the woman to get her to shut up.

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    17. Re:Um... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      You can't even spell. Seriously.

      It was a typo. Get over it.

      Do you know how much it would cost, and how much room it would take, if GS/EB stocked EVERY shitty little game?

      Ever been to a book store? Wal-Mart sells books. Why aren't they putting Borders out of business?

      Here's the thing with the game publishing industry. They don't take returns. That's broken. Bookstores stock thousands of titles dating back *literally* hundreds of years. They can do it because publishers know that it really only costs a few dollars to print the book, and they take returns. That makes the book store willing to take on the risk of stocking titles they may never sell.

      If the game publishing industry worked like this, sure they may make a little less profit, but a store like EB could stock tons of a high profile title right after release, and then scale back their stock when demand slows so they could keep one or two of a large number of titles on hand. Remember, these games don't actually cost $40.25, they cost more like $1.50 up until the point where a customer actually licenses the software in the box.

      Right now, stores like EB are actually a large enough force in the market to ask for things like this, but once it's all Wal-Mart all the time, there won't be a games retailer out there to push for fixing the business model. You won't be able to buy older games at all, anywhere. Fun, huh?

    18. Re:Um... by AsbestosRush · · Score: 1

      The flaw with the bookstore anaolgy is that it doesn't cost a publisher $BIGNUM to just *produce* the book. Most writers make very modest salaries, and work in very small teams, if not solo. This isn't the case with modern video game titles, where litterally millions of dollars are put into just getting the game to the press.

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    19. Re:Um... by silentbobdp · · Score: 1

      Exactly, and this is where his analogy falls apart: one or two people write 90% of books; most games now are made by teams ranging from 50 to 100 people, all of which need salaries.

      And there's nothing "broken" about not taking game returns when anyone with a moderate amount of knowledge can buy a game and copy it and return it.

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    20. Re:Um... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but that doesn't make sense.

      it doesn't cost a publisher $BIGNUM to just *produce* the book

      That doesn't matter at all.

      The fact of the matter is that the actual box in the store only costs a few dollars to make. There's no reason not to make tons of them and overstock, then pay the publisher/developer the high price when it sells. The only difference between that and the way it works now is that you would waste a couple of dollars for every extra copy you made that didn't sell, but even then you could probably re-use packaging like DVD cases, etc...

      In the bookstore world, a return could often consist of just the cover, and the bookstore throws the rest of the book away. The value is in the software to the user after the sale, not in the physical copy, so there's no reason to have a limited supply of physical copies.

    21. Re:Um... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Exactly, and this is where his analogy falls apart: one or two people write 90% of books; most games now are made by teams ranging from 50 to 100 people, all of which need salaries.

      This is boneheaded logic. The same number of people will buy the game if there's tons of copies out there or just a few... Perhaps even more. There's no reason that you shouldn't make a few extra $2 copies of the physical game, since you'd still be charging $50 for them when you sell them. What you describe only explains why games cost $50 instead of $5 like books, not why the bookstore model doesn't fit in the game world.

      And there's nothing "broken" about not taking game returns when anyone with a moderate amount of knowledge can buy a game and copy it and return it.

      There is something broken about it. Two things in fact. First is that it allows game developers to ship a shitty, unfinished product with the intent to patch it later, instead of putting a high quality product on the shelf. Second, it treats customers as criminals, even if they aren't. It also fosters mental justification for the attitude that a lot of slashdot readers have that it's OK to pirate a game to try it out before buying it, since once you've bought it you're stuck with it even if it's trash.

    22. Re:Um... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      And there's nothing "broken" about not taking game returns...

      Also, I was talking about the publisher taking returns from the store, not the store taking returns from the customer. If you've got to worry about the store pirating the game before returning it, you've got bigger problems...

    23. Re:Um... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I've bought one GBA game from EB. They gave me an obviously resealed game, the jackass even told me "See? It's even sealed" when Terri Schiavo could have told it was not and they forgot to wipe their saves. I don't buy from EB when I don't absolutely have to. They are too expensive anyway so I just go to Media Markt and get better prices AND better service.

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    24. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      My only qualms with EB are the pushes to preorder something or buy an additional item.

      I have worked at Best Buy and now I currently work at EB. The reason EB does it (Best Buy as well) because helps increase items per transaction (IPT). We are tracked on that as well as Pre-Orders, Game Guarantees (1-year insurance) and other extras. "Pushing" these things is part of the job. I knew a few people that got fired from Best Buy for not "pushing" Magazines and PRPs (Product Replacement Plans).
      The other thing I have an issue with is how EB has a habit of opening a new copy of a game to be able to put it on the display shelf.

      We do this because we keep the boxes on the shelves so people who don't know about the game can see it on the shelf and see what it's about.
      If it's the last copy in stock...even though the goo from the 5 stickers that have been put on the case and the discs that have just been kept in a drawer somewhere...

      We put the stickers on the case because it is part of SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) that is set and required by the company. As for the games they are put in sleeves that are filed away with other games. We don't toss them bare into drawers.
      Why not use electronic security devices or some other method?

      Have you realized that most EB's are pretty tiny? Having to keep a plastic security case for each game and extra cases (for new games), plus whatever other inventory we have, would not leave us any space for the cardboard stands and other items we keep in back. Best Buy uses the plastic security cases and they take up a considerable amount of space, which most EB's don't have.

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    25. Re:Um... by AsbestosRush · · Score: 1

      Unless I'm mistaken (this would not be unusual), the vendor doesn't pay just for the materials. They pay for the game, at a discounted rate. I speculate that bookstores do this too, however overstocking on an item that costs the vendor $3.00 verses something that costs the vendors say $20.00 is a big difference. The publisher *does* have to make up some of the liability or the production of the game in the distribution, unless the publisher does something like Valve did with steam, and asks the customer to pay for the license online. I didn't buy HL2, but I read many many stories about steam being appended by a very unflattering phrase. :)

      The only other way I'm seeing with your idea is that the vendor pays materials cost to the publisher and then would have to send the publisher the royalties. I speculate that no major publisher is going to go with that one, because it *is* too easy to copy most games. Copying a book is tedious at best, but even that's becoming trivial with page feed and duplexing scanners/copiers becoming so common.

      The license and the media are two seperate entities to the publisher, yes. However the current model has the two bound at the hip. If systems like steam actually get to where they can work with 99.999 reliability, this may change.

      Now, this arguement is *so* far beyond my realm of knowlege, I may be completely off base. Perhaps others that know a little bit more about the distribution side could chime in.

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    26. Re:Um... by Flendon · · Score: 1

      And there's nothing "broken" about not taking game returns when anyone with a moderate amount of knowledge can buy a game and copy it and return it.

      Why would someone go through the trouble of going to the store, buying a copy, bringing it home, copying it, and bringing the game back for a refund? For anyone with the skill to do that (and get the copy to run correctly) it would be much faster to download the ISO and burn it straight to CD or run off the ISO directly. The theory that this prevents piracy in todays world is crap!

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    27. Re:Um... by Schemat1c · · Score: 1

      ..."Pushing" these things is part of the job...
      ...We put the stickers on the case because it is part of SOP (Standard Operating Procedure)...

      Just because you are required to do these things to keep your job doesn't make them any less irritating to the customer. And it's this very practice that keeps me from spending my money in these stores.

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  4. better check.. by muel · · Score: 1

    ..those EB Games pre-orders.

    This could be pretty bad for EB Games employees, because, at least in my hometown, there's never a GameStop shop that doesn't have a competing EB Games shop nearby. In fact, GS and EB are only two blocks away from each other in my neighborhood. I guess this means a lot of annoying, "I totally know more about the PSP than you do" people are gonna be broke and living with their parents soon. If they weren't already, anyway.

    1. Re:better check.. by robbway · · Score: 1

      You're right. I know of an EB/Game Stop pair where the Game Stop will be closed down because it just doesn't have customers. I'm sure that part of increasing the profits is by decreasing the employees and decreasing the amount of locations. It is inevitible that their combined sales will be less, but the profit margin should still increase.

      I guess this is their chance to remove "Boutique" from their name once and for all.

    2. Re:better check.. by Neophytus · · Score: 1

      When GAME bought EB UK, they kept all of their Edinburgh shops. There's now three Game-branded stores within a mile of each other, and presumably they all sell well else they'd have closed.

    3. Re:better check.. by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1

      I'll do it one worse. Here, we have a mall that has a Gamestop and an EB in it, and across the street was a FuncoLand. Since Gamestop bought Funcoland, they have kept both stores running - there is literally an EB in between two Gamestops right now, all within walking distance (for the average gamer).

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    4. Re:better check.. by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

      Here, we have a mall that has a Gamestop and an EB in it, and across the street was a FuncoLand.

      That describes every mall near me.

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    5. Re:better check.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, in Cambridge UK, where there had been a Game and an EB in very close proximity, the smaller of these two stores was closed down about 18 months after the merger.

  5. Sounds backwards by MBraynard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    EB has a higher market capitalization (1.354bil to 1.185bil), double the earnings per share, and from a consumer's point of view, a much better retail operation.

    So I wonder why it was Gamestop that took the initiative to issue a bunch of debt to buy EB?

    Given the co-operation of the EB people in the vote, it seems more like a merger than an acquasition.

    I really hope that EB doesn't get it's great service dilluted by GS's management.

    1. Re:Sounds backwards by Zab+UvWxy · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. This must be a joke, or a horribly misstated rumour/speculation.

      On the off-chance that it is true, I'm curious to know what the future then holds for EB in Canada. I like going to EB, if for nothing else than to troll the bargain bins for PC/N64/PS1/PS2/GB/GBC/GBA titles that are past their primes in the eyes of most; not to mention that we do not (AFAIK) have a single GameStop store in the Great White North.

      Anyone with inside information, please comment!

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    2. Re:Sounds backwards by ElleyKitten · · Score: 2, Interesting

      from a consumer's point of view, a much better retail operation.

      The last time I went to an EB (early Dec), I had to wait an half hour while the employees called every other manager in existence trying to find out if the warrenties on my used games would extend past Christmas. Eventually, the answer was yes, but that never would have happened at GS since their standard warrenty is 90 days (like most used game stores) as opposed to EB 14. Then, they insisted on putting a sticker on my used games, even though I asked them not to because I was afraid the sticker would mar one of the boxes. The reason for the sticker? So that you couldn't play the game, decide it sucks, and exchange it for something else. At GS, however, "it sucks" is a very valid reason for exchange.

      I'ld been to EBs better, and I'ld noticed they seemed to have less selection and higher prices than GS, and nothing really special about it. But after I'ld had my time wasted because there employees didn't even know the return policy, and finding out that return policy is insanely restrictive compared to GS and other used game stores, I couldn't see any reason to go back. So what am I missing about EB that made you call it "a much better retail operation"?

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    3. Re:Sounds backwards by MBraynard · · Score: 1

      Because the staff at the ones I've visited were the opposite of what you describe - friendly, knowledgeable, and cute chicks. Also because the website for EBgames is better and allows for user comments/ratings.

    4. Re:Sounds backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only one of these two that has any cute females working for them, locally, is GameStop. That might put a smile on the other poster's face, but I don't know if that would have any effect on where she shops.

      RE: user comments on ebgames.com - Have you read any of these lately? I don't know what's worse, the fact that all the scores and comments written about just about any given popular console game are written by platform haters and fanboys, or that the site moderators allow them to be posted after personally reviewing them over the course of SEVERAL DAYS (as mentioned when you leave a comment).

      Now, the above also applies to the comments and ratings on gamestop.com. Because, you see, they have them as well.

      But you're both ultimately wrong. EB = GS in terms of suckitude compared to the local mom & pop import shop. They are only useful for picking up hidden gems that the unwashed masses just don't know anything about - but thanks to the local mom & pop, it's been a long time since there was a gap in my RPG, fighter, and shooter collections for any of the platforms that EB and GS still sell. :)

    5. Re:Sounds backwards by MBraynard · · Score: 1
      GS has comments but not scoring. And I check reviews both there and on Amazon because I'm not just itnerested in the opionions but also in the details that sometimes the marketing information is missing.

      Look, so your GS guys are like the EB guys in the stores that I've been too. What else am I suppose to base it on. I guess any chain can have a bad egg. I've just been to the stores in several states and always liked them. I also placed many online orders and always got my product on release day, including my Xbox. Perhaps my GS experience is lacking, but why do they have twice the PE ratio? Could they be so much worse than GS and that still be true?

    6. Re:Sounds backwards by k_187 · · Score: 1

      yes, but gamestop's web site allows you to enter your zip and they'll tell you if something is in stock at stores near you, which is very nice. Hopefully, they'll make one ubersite that has all the good stuff on it that both have.

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    7. Re:Sounds backwards by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

      It's not so much the staff, because they were friendly, and I can forgive one day of them not knowing everything. It's mostly just that a few things about them annoy me (stupid return policies, they seem to have higher prices and fewer sales) and I've never seen any plus about them that Gamestop didn't have. And considering every EB around here has a GS (or two, or three) around the corner, going to GS instead really isn't that big of a deal. Usually I prefer more competition and less consolidating, but in this case, I really don't mind. Though it'll probably be bad in the long run for GameCrazy, so that keeps me from celebrating.

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  6. No! by kenthorvath · · Score: 1

    EB was the only place I could go to buy and sell used PC games. Gamestop doesn't do that, for whatever (presumably political) reasons. Now where am I to go? (Don't say ebay, it's not the same).

    1. Re:No! by Leiterfluid · · Score: 1

      I've bought and sold used games and DVD at GameStop. I don't know what's wrong with the store you go to, but all the ones here (there are even three within a mile of one another) will.

    2. Re:No! by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Gamestop doesn't do that, for whatever (presumably political) reasons."

      It's probably related to PCs often coming with CD Burners. I can't speak for Game Stop, but I can tell you that I worked at a game company not unlike Game Stop and that was one of the reasons they weren't big on PC games. That and we didnt want to deal with returns on used games because of configuration issues. It would have been real easy for somebody to buy the game, claim there's a configuration issue, and return it. Meanwhile, they have a copy they made of the game. At least with a new game, they could have contacted the developer for help, etc.

      Not saying it's right or I agree, but I do understand why they wouldn't do it. PC gaming in general is a bitch to market and support for. It's really quite baffling if you consider what all a PC game has to run on.

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    3. Re:No! by borg1238 · · Score: 1

      Gamestop doesn't do that, for whatever (presumably political) reasons.

      Lousy Democrats....

    4. Re:No! by x311 · · Score: 1

      Try out Barterbee.com I trade computer games on there all the time.

  7. Consolidation != competition by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hopefully this will allow both chains to better compete with Wal-Mart and Best Buy for our gaming dollars."

    This may suprise you, but when chain stores consolidate, it rarely leads to more and good competition.

    Frequently, the reverse happens. The big chains simplify their inventory, reduce service, and only do the absolute minimum to compete with the likes of Wal Mart.

    Unfortunately, the consumers won't always shop elsewhere. There isn't always a convenient choice.

  8. Buy online by yotto · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine buying a game from a local store unless I had a gift card or something.
    The last time I tried to buy a game (UT2K4) locally, every place I went either didn't have it, had only one version (dvd instead of cd was popular), for pennies off what it was when it was brand new, but marked on sale (when online retailers were selling it for ~30).
    They rip their customers off, I buy from someone who doesn't.

    1. Re:Buy online by Jack+Comics · · Score: 1

      And a good place to buy games on-line (other than Amazon), is...?

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    2. Re:Buy online by SScorpio · · Score: 3, Informative
      Try out http://www.gogamer.com/.

      It has a great selection and awesome prices. The 48 -hour deals are also a great way to pickup some older gems that you originally passed on. While the shipping is $6, you can buy up to 3 games without any additional cost.

    3. Re:Buy online by fwitness · · Score: 1

      That place would be even better if the PSP link worked. Or if they had a DS section.

      Why is it that most stores are doing that? They have a whole PSP display but DS stuff get's lumped into Gameboy (if at all)?

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  9. Shit by dar · · Score: 1, Informative

    Every Gamestop I've ever been in is dark, dirty, has unhelpful employees, and has a poor selection of games. Every EB I've been in is clean, has cheerful, helpful salespeople and has a good selection of games.

    I'm disappointed.

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    1. Re:Shit by SScorpio · · Score: 1
      While I can't say I like either chain very much, there is one Gamestop down in Dearborn, Michigan. Supposedly it's the best selling store in the chain. Everytime I've ever gone in there the staff was friendly and went out of their way to help. They were also gamers and even the manger didn't mind just standing around and chatting about games if other customers weren't waiting.

      While this is a rare occurance, I do normally just buy where it's more convient. I used to goto the Gamestop by my college when I was in school, but I stopped then the fuckers jacked all the prices up to $55 from the MSRP of $50.. I could buy it from their website and pay shipping for the same price and save the 1 mile in gas trip. Thankfully, a EB was built 1 mile from my home and they stay at the $50 MSRP on new games. Even if it becomes a Gamestop I'll still shop there for the titles that Target and Bestbuy don't get.

    2. Re:Shit by Nitar · · Score: 1

      I've had the exact same experience. I've gone into the GameStop near me, and everyone there was extremely unhelpful, and pretty much they bordered on being jerks.

      The EB near me has a great staff. Everyone I've run into there is helpful, likes to chat about the new stuff coming out, etc...

      Depending on what happens, this could mark the start of me only shopping at Best Buy or Fry's. I have a hard time believing that GameStop is going to change its ways. They would have been better off buying EB and keeping the EB name, instead of blacklisting it with the GameStop name.

    3. Re:Shit by Nitar · · Score: 1

      That is the only reason I'll shop at GameStop (if the EB I go to takes on the crap service trend I've seen with GameStop). And that is for niche titles that Best Buy won't carry, and that I can't get off of Amazon.

    4. Re:Shit by blincoln · · Score: 1

      EB has a nice style for their stores.

      I was already wary of buying there after they not only fucked up my preorder for the new Legacy of Kain game, but sold me a bunch of what turned out to be obviously used games as new.

      They lost my money for good when I read the story about the EB branch that wouldn't return stolen merchandise to the owner unless she paid them back for what they paid the thief.

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    5. Re:Shit by SoVeryWrong · · Score: 1

      Wow, I've noticed the exact opposite.

      I will not shop at EBGames anymore because the employees I was exposed to were either incredibly annoying and/or full of themselves.

      The worst part of Gamestop is that they try to get me into a conversation when I just want to buy my game and leave.

    6. Re:Shit by nicksthings · · Score: 1

      That's generalizing - I've been into plenty of EBs that were trashed from top to bottom, nothing is alphabetized, their employees ignoring me, crap all over the ground, etc. The same could probably be said about a number or Gamestops, Best Buys, Blockbuster Videos, etc.

    7. Re:Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this matches my experience as well. this makes wallmart and bestbuy look better not worse.

    8. Re:Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work in the same district as that store, and yes, it is one of our top sellers, although not ALWAYS #1.

      We in our district like to think that we fucking rule. Thanks for reminding me that we totally do.

  10. Oh good. by Audigy · · Score: 1

    My town only has an EB, and not a GameStop. Maybe if they're turning it into a GameStop, they'll start selling $1.99 used strategy guides.

    Don't knock used games. If you know what you're looking for, you can make a killing selling the stuff. I picked up a used, great condition copy of Valkyrie Profile up at the GameStop in the next town for 39.99 (omg highway robbery!?), cleaned the sticker gunk off of it, and sold it on eBay for $91.00. ;D

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    1. Re:Oh good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was you?

      Dammit! I'm deleting that positive feedback right now!

    2. Re:Oh good. by Audigy · · Score: 1

      Funny. The guy who won the auction was in Spain, and I'm not sure how good his English is, since he sent all his correspondence in Spanish. ;)

      That's about the going price for that game anyway, if you look at completed auctions.

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  11. ... to better compete? by ajservo · · Score: 1

    I turn to the PSP launch as a case in point of how they suck at competing with BB and WalMart.

    Both of my local GS ring me the same old line of "Preorders only, not enough for everyone..."

    But I go to Best Buy that morning, and they have 500 consoles for a line of 20 people.

    Are you telling me that a retailer that has a 3:1 location advantage over another retailer can't stock a better ratio of consoles?

    They can grasp at straws of "not being as big" as the other guy, but they're in this industry, not outside of it. They need to learn to get customers, you need to stock the merchandise.

    I'm suprised that their pre-order scare tactic sales technique has lasted as long as it does.

    I haven't pre-ordered ANY game since Super Monkey Ball 2, and I've NEVER had a problem finding that game in stock, ANYWHERE local.

    1. Re:... to better compete? by pat_trick · · Score: 1

      This is because GameStop and EB like to create a false hype of "You'd better give us your money now so that you can get the console / game when it comes out!" Change the way the consumer views how they can purchse the product by making it seem that only game stores carry games and consoles, and they change the purchasing habits in their favor.

      On the plus side, it does guarantee you a copy of said console / game, if that's your thing.

    2. Re:... to better compete? by nicksthings · · Score: 1

      By pre-ordering a game you not only guarantee yourself a copy of the game, but you also help support the industry in that you're saying "Hey, there's a demand for this game at this store, send us the units we need to fill this type of demand." No, EB and Gamestop are not big box retailers and no, they're not going to have as many copies as Best Buy or Target or Wal-Mart. But if you're a gamer, it would make sense that you'd want to support game specific retailers. On top of that, for the most part, you can be in and out of an EB or Gamestop in less than 2 minutes if you know what you want (or pre-ordered a game), whereas you're not going to get that grab and go at big box. Do what you want, but stop bitching about pre-orders as a "scare tactic" or retailers just being greedy. If you're going to buy the freakin' game, you live local to your store, there's no reason to not reserve it other than the fact that you're being stubborn for no good reason.

    3. Re:... to better compete? by ajservo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Am I not supporting the industry by walking up to a well stocked BB and buying it there the same day as 200 16 year olds line up at a gamestop?

      You're feeding me a line that you think Gamestop is the smaller company here. Gamestop's been folded over and over again over SO many other game stores.

      You're talking: Babbages & Software Etc. merge, they foldover funcoland, get parented by Barnes and Noble, and then sweep up EB. What part about that suggests that GS is a small-ish mom&pop store only scraping by on preorders?

      I've got a reason not to pre-order or even frequent a smaller GS store. Haggling for more, future preorders. Again, I live in Houston, I don't have a problem locating games and consoles on launch days at all. I bought 8 Nintendo DS consoles on launch day without a single preorder from 5 stores. None at EB or GS. They were all "sold out"

      I don't see why being a gamer makes you susceptible to supporting "boutique" pricing. They're always $5-$10 higher than ANY other retailer. The only real incentive to shop here is for the hope of them stocking some random RPG they didn't keep in stock at BB.

    4. Re:... to better compete? by silentbobdp · · Score: 1

      B&N no longer owns GS and hasn't for about a year.

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    5. Re:... to better compete? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but we are told to tell customers that we won't have enough copies of the game at launch. They are telling stores now to tell customers that Madden 2006 will be sold out. For the record, Madden 2006 will never be sold out because we will receive hundreds of copies of it in the first week alone. But its all a part of that marketing push.

      Oh, and Gamestop has no qualms about suddenly not honoring reservations. We've had games come out at my store and were told not to even hold any reservations - instead sell everything you can. It did not matter who had it reserved and for how much.

    6. Re:... to better compete? by wrp103 · · Score: 1

      There are often special items available only for preorders. Granted, sometimes they are dumb (remember the Gold cartridge for Zelda?) but other times they are nice to have, like the special DVD that came with Xenosaga II that consisted of all the FMV clips from the first game. It helped me remember the complicated plot line from the first game, which enhanced my enjoyment of the second game.

      When you preorder a game, you help the company estimate the demand that exists. It might even help the store estimate how many additional games they should order. It would be great if there was a special pre-order price, which would help encourage people to order in advance.

      As for paying a couple bucks more for a game from a small store, it is worth it to me. I can ask the people there about games, and they often will tell me about new games coming out that I hadn't heard about. Try asking any question to somebody at BB, WM, etc. About all they know is if it appears in their inventory.

    7. Re:... to better compete? by ajservo · · Score: 1

      Well, it's a matter of a better educated consumer when you go into a best buy looking for a game you'd normally preorder at Gamestop. I have preordered my fair share of games in the past there, but it was for these same games.

      Unfortunately, they don't answer the phone, "This is GS, where you can preorder your copy of Lunar 4." Instead, it's preorders for Madden, GTA, GTurismo, a console bundle, or a game informer subscription. That ain't my market for games.

      I'll play the GTAs for a bit, but it's not very common for the GS' around me to suggest anything that's not a top 10 ranked preorder or a used title.

  12. Surprised they are competing... by Reignking · · Score: 0

    I'm stunned the explosion of the small gamestores. Prices rarely vary, and I've always ordered (or pre-ordered) my games online. I don't know how these brick-and-mortar stores can make a profit, much less cover the costs of running the store.

    Maybe I have a bias because I'm PC-only, and I can usually demo the games that I'm interested in before I buy.

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  13. 1:1 Gamestop to Starbucks Ratio? by lunarscape · · Score: 5, Funny

    My local mall already has TWO Gamestops and TWO EBs. Either some people are going to be out of jobs, or it's going to be hilarious seeing four Gamestops in one mall.

    1. Re:1:1 Gamestop to Starbucks Ratio? by JHMirage · · Score: 1
      Really? Four specialty gaming stores in one mall?

      Oh wait... you must live near this place. I can't think of any conventional mall that would support such an overabundance.

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    2. Re:1:1 Gamestop to Starbucks Ratio? by Zackbass · · Score: 1

      And I thought my mall (Rockaway, NJ) was bad for having an EB Games and an EB within 150 feet of each other and a GameStop a hundred yards away under the same roof.

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    3. Re:1:1 Gamestop to Starbucks Ratio? by Trepalium · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps he lives near this place. It's worse.

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    4. Re:1:1 Gamestop to Starbucks Ratio? by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      I'm in Columbus, Ohio. There's a mall here that has 1 Gamestop and 2 EB's. One's EB Games and one's EBX or something like that...one right above the other. I've been in both and they employees say "Yeah, we're the same company as the other one upstairs/downstairs, I have no idea why they have 2 stores in the same mall." So yeah, it happens.

    5. Re:1:1 Gamestop to Starbucks Ratio? by freakmn · · Score: 1

      Actually, I do live near the Mall of America, and the last time I went there (about a month and a half ago), they had only 2 gaming stores.

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    6. Re:1:1 Gamestop to Starbucks Ratio? by The-Bus · · Score: 1

      I was going to mention that. My local mall has an EB and an "EBX". There are also four Gamestops within 15 minutes going in [i]one direction[/i]. I find it interesting that seem to be able to survive in out of the way shopping centers.

      I have one less than 3 minutes away. Always convenient if I am bored and have $$ lying around.

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    7. Re:1:1 Gamestop to Starbucks Ratio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the mall near me there's a gamestop downstairs, an eb upstairs, and a gamestop across the street with a starbucks near it, then a starbucks across the parking lot inside barnes & noble. So if they don't shut down the eb, gamestop will outnumber starbucks...

    8. Re:1:1 Gamestop to Starbucks Ratio? by Kingfox · · Score: 1

      I used to work at that EB, and I'm still friends with management at the EB and the EBX. There's a reason for them both being there.

      At first there was just our EB, which made records for the region, and all was well. But in 2001 or so, the company wanted to branch out, and opened up a EB Kids down the hall from the EB. The EB Kids failed, and the home office got rid of the whole line. So instead of shutting down the store, they just converted it into an EBX, as Simon had rules against two stores with the same name being in the mall.

  14. Oh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How weird, I refuse to shop anywhere BUT Wal-Mart.

  15. Re:Consolidation !always= competition by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In this case, though, the idea is valid. EB, Gamestop, and the rest of the specialty retailers are getting creamed by Walmart, Target, Kmart, Toys R Us, Best Buy, and the rest of the superstores. I can't specify numbers, but one could ignore the specialty retailers and still have quite healthy sales.

    In other words, EB / Gamestop / etc aren't competing with eachother, they're competing with the superstores. And they're losing. And they're in danger of disappearing.

    I've not been terribly happy with EB in the past 10 years, and their employees have been legendarily unhappy with corporate policies. I would much rather Funco have taken over EB, and not the reverse. But Funco was even more of a specialty store, catering to the used NES game crowd.

    In my not-so-humble opinion, EB / Gamespot need to work on getting more space, bigger aisles, and not cluttering their stores like they were libraries. Their stores are an intimidating wall of noise, noise which continues inside. Even if they're not going to go full Apple store sleek, they should at least go Suncoast. Simplifying their inventory might be a first step. I don't see how it would be possible for EB to reduce service any, short of slapping every customer that walks in the door. But reducing the noise and helping people to find good games (recommended section?) should be their first steps.

  16. Comic Store Guy Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I wish the guys that work at the local EB stay because GameStop employees are more annoying. GameStop employee never seem to shut up. No, I don't want hear about some Japanese import. That's great you finished the game - I don't care. Do I have to bring in my copy of Katamari Damacy so you don't make fun of me to the other employees like I am not here when I buy Madden 2005. Dammit stop yammering about some game to a soccer mom just trying to buy a game for her kid and get my damn game for me.

    1. Re:Comic Store Guy Syndrome by The+Desert+Palooka · · Score: 1

      LOL, I wish I had points...

      Cause that's the same way I feel about GS. I go in and browse and I have three comic guys sizing up my gamer worthiness...

    2. Re:Comic Store Guy Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand...

      I'm a pretty regular customer at the games-section of the HMV in Piccadilly Circus, London (it's 5 mins walk from where I work, so easy to get to at lunch-time). I've bought all kinds of games in there, ranging from the incredibly mainstream (Halo 2, Gran Turismo 4) to the obscure "high-cred" games (Disgaea). The guys on the desk in there know me on sight and we usually talk about the game while they take my money. I have absolutely no problem with this; I'd rather deal with a real person who actually takes an interest than some faceless drone who has no idea about what they're selling.

  17. Won't change competition. by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    GameStop, EB, etc will always have a niche in the marketplace. There really do need to be exclusive video gaming stores in order to attract audiences that Wal-Mart, BB, etc do not wish to cater to. However, these niche stores will never be able to compete with Wal-Mart or Best Buy. The ones that have tried to compete on a customer-service-based approach have either gone under or changed their ways. Anybody remember when Software ETC let you return opened games for a refund within 30 days?

    Niche Stores also can't compete with the raw buying power of the chain stores. Things like returning a PSP is no problm at Wal-Mart. Just tell them you want your money back and they'll gladly give it to you. I've even returned open games to Wal-Mart after some arguing. GameStop and EB have to go along with things like dead pixel policies because they don't have the power to bully Sony like Wal-Mart does.

    1. Re:Won't change competition. by Tighe_L · · Score: 1

      Software ETC, Babbages and GameStop are all the same company, just under with a different name all owned by Barnes & Noble.

      http://www.mandthelp.com/fortune_500_companies30 1. htm#318.%20Barnes%20&%20Noble,%20Inc.

  18. Debunking a few things by Da+Rabid+Duckie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to address some of the concerns people are having with this merger.

    1) Their customer service is going to change.
    - Not entirely true. I've worked at both EB and Gamestop, and EB has a strong and well-developed program in customer service and sales training while Gamestop has almost none (as of 2000). Once both companies sit down and analyze each other's practices it'd be logical to assume that EB's method of training will be incorporated. This is also backed by the fact that EB employees make more annually than Gamestop employees, and EB still turned a higher profit last year.

    As for the matter of the return policy, it changed because of copyright laws, not some corporate mandate.

    2) It's going to affect the used games market.
    - It should affect it at all, honestly. Rather, it should help stabilize it. There is a huge glut on the market as far as used product goes. Trade in prices are dictated by the amount the company has already vs the rate at which it's selling. That's why sports games trade in at such a low rate: once the current version comes out, previous versions get traded in at a huge rate and it devalues. Both companies rely on trades, so if trades stifled they would definitely addresss it, therefore it's safe to assume the prices would drop too.

    Btw, the $44.99 game likely had a trade in price of $25 to $35. This is how retailers like EB and Gamestop make profit. Average cost of a game is around $47. Companies like this can't keep their lights on just by selling hardware (which they sometimes lose money on) and new software. The profit margins from preowned is what keeps these companies afloat.

    Plus, with discount programs available, a preowned version of a new release being priced at $40 is actually a good deal sometimes (especially with BOGO sales).

    3) Gamestop is going to close stores in malls with multiple locations.
    - Again, this is not entirely true. Right now, an EB is open because it's getting business. If Gamestop closes a store because it is too close to another, it's a perfect opportunity for a competitor, say... Gamecrazy to move right in because they know that store gets traffic. As it stands, there are actually malls in America that have three EB stores in them, and they all get good traffic. I know there will be closings, but there will be many more openings.

    4) Prices will go up.
    - But they may go down. Prices are dictated by cost vs profits. Right now, the bulk quantity that EB and Gamestop purchase at gets a resulting cost of about $47 a game, as I mentioned earlier. Now, with some 3000+ stores in the US (more in Europe and Asia) Gamestop can now purchase games in a higher quantity, meaning a higher bulk discount and more profit from the $49.99 price point. If anything, it'd be an incentive for prices to stay where they are and more incentive to have sales on games.

    As an EB employee, I'm very optimistic about this merger. If nothing else, I at least made a quick 1k off of stock sales ;)

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    1. Re:Debunking a few things by FriedTurkey · · Score: 1

      1) Their customer service is going to change. - Not entirely true. I've worked at both EB and Gamestop, and EB has a strong and well-developed program in customer service and sales training while Gamestop has almost none (as of 2000). Once both companies sit down and analyze each other's practices it'd be logical to assume that EB's method of training will be incorporated. This is also backed by the fact that EB employees make more annually than Gamestop employees, and EB still turned a higher profit last year

      I have been through three corporate mergers and I can say the rule of mergers is that the bought company always loses.

      It doesn't matter if the bought company has better processes or better employees. Those processes and employees will be replaced by the buying company. Business politics is the number one factor in those decisions. I have witnessed better employees get replaced by people who weren't even technically trained for the job. They parent company employee got the job simply because they came from the buying company.

      I don't mean to scare you but the complete moron at GameStop is in a better position than you.

      BTW - The "everything is fine" speeches your manager are giving you is complete crap. At least the manager will be laid off before you.

    2. Re:Debunking a few things by -kertrats- · · Score: 1

      How do you figure you can trade in games for $25 to $35? At the closest EB to me, it's $5 a game regardless of price, and they don't accept sports games.

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    3. Re:Debunking a few things by Da+Rabid+Duckie · · Score: 1

      I just called my store and got a quote of $30 trade-in for Jade Empire on the XBox. I don't know if other regions have differing trade-in policies, but that's the first I've ever heard of it. Even the website advertises higher prices than that.

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    4. Re:Debunking a few things by Lukey+Boy · · Score: 1
      You called for a quote on one of the highest rated games in a while, and one that's currently selling like hotcakes - and you're surprised that you get a quote for $30?

      The original poster used one extreme example (the store buying any used game for $5) and you just responded with the opposite extreme.

    5. Re:Debunking a few things by nicksthings · · Score: 1

      Good points. In terms of customer service, Gamestop seems to have some great things in place as far as I've seen. No mattter how fantastic their customer service training is, I've received rotten service at my local EB...but that doesn't mean they're ALL like that. It comes down to the staff and management. Hopefully the two chains will be able to benefit from one another's experience.

    6. Re:Debunking a few things by Da+Rabid+Duckie · · Score: 1

      I think you missed something in the context. The guy was complaining that the EB near him was giving $5 for any game, I was telling him that it wasn't true, and as an example the store I work at (as well as the other stores in the same district) is giving $30 for Jade Empire, therefore either making his statement false or stating that the store near him isn't giving the correct amount for trades.

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    7. Re:Debunking a few things by Lukey+Boy · · Score: 1
      Again, you're using a current, top-selling game as a counter-example and it's a cheap arguing tactic. If I bring in say, Metal Gear Solid 3, Prince of Persia, or even something like Amplitude or Katamari Damarcy I'll get... what? $5 a piece? Or higher?

      I agree the OP shouldn't have asserted that *all* used games sell for $5 at EB, but he's not far off.

    8. Re:Debunking a few things by Da+Rabid+Duckie · · Score: 1

      Regardless of whether or not it was a cheap tactic, it was effective and proved the fallacy made in the statement. As for trade in prices, that's just smart business.

      Let me explain. A game is released, and if it is popular and not getting traded in xa store will give a higher trade value because they want to encourage people to trade it in. Over time, it isn't financially sound to keep giving the same high value for a game because eventually demand for the game will decrease and they'll be sitting on a bunch of games that they bought back that aren't going anywhere. It makes no sense whatsoever to give a customer $20 for a copy of a two-year old game that they already have fifteen copies of that's just going to sit on the shelf. It's just like negotiating with a vendor over cost, because the company sets the price that they want to pay for the item, and the vendor (in this case the consumer) either agrees to it declines the transaction. Some trade in prices are low simply because we don't want that product, plain and simple. Even then, companies like EB and GS still have trade-in specials that'll increase the values of non-sports titled games to $5, $10, or even $15 sometimes.

      Granted, I'll definitely admit that some trade in prices aren't fair. I've told customers before they'd get more for something on Ebay, and I've even told someone to give it to a friend so they can enjoy doing something nice for someone, but companies can't give $15-20 for every game every time and expect to stay afloat selling Madden 2002 for $30.

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    9. Re:Debunking a few things by Lukey+Boy · · Score: 1
      Fair enough. Let me provide an example of smart business - a local store near me named Gamerama (in Toronto) bought Metal Gear 3, Prince of Persia 2 and Star Ocean 3 from me. I was paid 30 dollars in store credit for the first two, and 10 for Star Ocean 3 (which I think is commendable - they could have charged me instead just to dispose of it). Now since they give me such good prices I have an extreme sense of loyalty to them for pretty much all of my game-related purchases. EB has faceless, store-wide policies regarding buying older games. Why on Earth would I ever bring my games to EB? And why would I buy them from EB, when I see that the inflated prices of used games doesn't go to the gamer, but to EB themselves?

      Essentially what I'm saying is that these smaller stores sacrifice some of their profit in direct exchange for customer loyalty. Something that EB would never, ever do.

    10. Re:Debunking a few things by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "EB has a strong and well-developed program in customer service and sales training"

      "We won't give you the DS you pre-ordered unless you also buy our protection plan" counts as 'well-developed customer service program?'

      I'm sorry, but may they both burn in hell.

    11. Re:Debunking a few things by Da+Rabid+Duckie · · Score: 1

      I think we're starting to see the common ground here. You like those guys because they've treated you fairly, and you'll go back to them. You've got customer loyalty. Many people like EB for the same reasons. It's all based on how the customer views themselves as being treated.

      As for the prices, I just called my store and got the following prices (in USD):

      Metal Gear Solid 3 - 10
      Prince of Persia 2 - 15
      Star Ocean 3 - 15

      In total, that'd be $40 (about $50 CAD). So, you really would have gotten a fair trade by going to either store but there would still be a $10 variant. Losing $10 would seem like a good idea if the place you went to provided good customer service, but it wouldn't be sound from an economic standpoint.

      But you know what, saying that EB would never sacrifice profit is a generalization and is entirely off the mark. As a whole, they may, and I won't argue that. But I as a manager I pride myself for my store's level of customer service. I often go the extra mile to make sure that the customer is taken care of, and it has been discussed on corporate calls lately that taking care of the customer is a huge priority in our business.

      I honestly don't see the point in continuing this conversation any further though, we're not getting anywhere and we're obviously not going to change each other's mind so let's just agree to disagree.

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    12. Re:Debunking a few things by Da+Rabid+Duckie · · Score: 1

      You're also assuming that every store does that. EB DOES have a strong and well-developed customer service program, but what you just mentioned is bad policy from someone that ignores it. I wouldn't shop at that store either.

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    13. Re:Debunking a few things by Lukey+Boy · · Score: 1

      Heh, fair enough! Can we at least agree that Star Ocean 3 sucked? :-)

    14. Re:Debunking a few things by Da+Rabid+Duckie · · Score: 1

      Deal! *shakes hands*

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  19. Never heard of game stop, but... by hp46168 · · Score: 0

    I almost took a job as Electronics boutique store manager.

    I'm glad I didn't.

    There is a game crazy (part of hollywood video) in our town that seems to cater to the console-game people. The only diffy between EB & Game Crazy is that Game Crazy doesn't carry PC games (a bummer, since that's my primary gaming platform.)

    I kind of wonder if this is karma kicking in vis-a-vis EB. I was there last weekend, and the guy wanted to give these kids $1 for a DDR game pad that they paid $100 when they bought it off of him.

    Maybe I'm a schliemel, but I bought that, 2 play station games, a couple of N64 games off of them for $10. They were only looking to make some lunch money.

    I did get some nasty glares from the EB people.

    Did anybody else buy the EB preferred advantage card? I hope they still honor that after this deal carries through.

  20. Are they really losing? by Reignking · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If GameStop and EB are doing so poorly, why do they seem to be expanding so rapidly?

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  21. Pricematch, rebates, & selling used games? by antdude · · Score: 1

    I like EB because of its pricematching with cheaper games (e.g., Fry's and Best Buy's ads usually on the first week of PC game releases), rebates once in a while, and being able to sell my very old PC games easily. I also don't do online shoppings and auctions.

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  22. The Law..... by Panthar37 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps it has something to do with the EULA you so quickly pass over and never read. If you ever bothered to read it, you might have noticed that it mentions things like: I will only use this on one computer; I agree to be the sole owner/user of this software license; I will not resell this; etc. etc. etc. That is the reason that Gamestop does not purchase used games. It is not for any political reasons. I have never figured out how EB got away with it because they could have been sited for it at any time.

    1. Re:The Law..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      These EULA's exist in my PS2 and Xbox games, and most recently I have noticed were moved to the front of the manual in PSP games. They typically say that you have to agree to the EULA or return the game to the point of purchase... except that Gamestop policy is to not take back games that are opened (so they can force you to trade it in).

      Of course they also say that you may transfer ownership of your game as well if the new owner adheres to the EULA.... except what happens when a store like Gamestop sells you a used game without an instruction manual.

      I'm so sick of the game industry, developers, producers and sellers.

    2. Re:The Law..... by Panthar37 · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but IMHO, this is a loophole that needs to be challenged as well. The customer has no recourse right now if they open the game, read the EULA and decide to return it. I think that anyone who does push this can work it up the corporate complaint ladder at Gamestop until they get what they want, but its a royal pain in the ass to do it. Most people would just accept the trade in value and be done with it.

  23. It's the employees by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everytime I go into any of these little gaming specialty stores (GameStop, EB, GameCrazy), there's always the dude in there who has to bash my system. If I'm in there looking at Nintendo stuff, they'll tell me that Nintendo is dead. The other day I was in there just playing a demo and the two employees were talking loudly back and forth about how the Nintendo DS stood for "Nintendo Dead System". I kept thinking, "Wow, this really makes me want to buy my DS games here!".

    Perhaps they need to be screen out the fanboy's in their hiring process.

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    1. Re:It's the employees by r00td43m0n · · Score: 1

      I've been working there for a few weeks now and everyone in my store is as far from that as possible. We do have our favorite systems but we do not push our personal bias into a sale or when helping a customer out.

    2. Re:It's the employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are telling the truth, consider yourselves the exceptions to a common rule.

      Why do I have to hear the same old, "I've been playing games all my life, I'm more fucking hardcore than you are, Nintendo is dead, let me show you the Xbox" spiel every time I walk into one of these places?

      My collection of HTF and old stuff would shut any one of these bastards up in a heartbeat. But no, apparently if I play games that don't fall into their idea of "extreme," these damn fans flock to me, evangelizing how the Xbox is the only thing out there that "hardcore" players would touch. If having more enthusiasm than intelligence is what constitutes a hardcore gamer, perhaps I'd rather not spend any of my thousands of dollars annual budget on games at your stores, you damn fanboy scum.

      (Of course, I'm not addressing you here. Just venting my frustration with your colleagues.)

    3. Re:It's the employees by Grave · · Score: 1

      Agreed, the majority of stores are not like what he described. There are a handful, but GameStop has been actively weeding out the problem areas by getting rid of ineffective DM's and SM's alike. GameStop is very much a company on the move, and the buyout of EB, while surprising, is a very good strategic move.

  24. I have a dream... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In this dream, the "Niche Store," rather than trying to compete with faceless juggernauts like Walmart and Best Buy, tries to respect gamers and offer a service that those places don't: knowledgeable attendants who make honest recommendations, good deals on used carts, gamer-community-oriented events (LAN parties, multiplayer tourneys) and more.

    If I walked in to any EB or GS store in the country and said "Hey I'm looking for some backlog Treasure titles, what do you have?" and the employee said "Well we've got a near-mint Dynamite Headdy and a good Gunstar Heroes, plus an imported Silhouette Mirage," I would basically shit my pants on the spot.

    Local record stores have been working on this model since the 70s: get stuff the big chains miss or can't carry for cost/margin reasons, employ people who love the products you carry, and provide a service to the community. Host the equivalent of events like open-mic nights, or acoustic performances by rising stars: showcase games made by people who live nearby, or have release parties for exciting new games.

    I realize that it is a chain like many others, but they are going to be CRUSHED if they don't find a way to make themselves more valuable.

    How many of you would pay an extra $2-$5 for a game if you really respected, trusted, and loved the people and store you bought it from? You'll get no complaints from me!

    1. Re:I have a dream... by realityfighter · · Score: 1

      If you happen to be an AC from the Austin area, may I suggest GameFellas? They are the game equivalent of an indie record store; usually have everything for less than EB and carry a wide range of older materials (and even "exotic" items like WonderSwan cartridges). Also, when I looked they were the only game store in town that had Katamari Damacy.

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    2. Re:I have a dream... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually i do live in Austin! weirdness - I think there is a GF down by Austin's Pizza on William Cannon, I will check it out for sure! Thanks for the tip.

    3. Re:I have a dream... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok same guy again - just talked to my coworker and he had nothing but glowing recommendations for GF too, I so have to check this place out!

  25. UPDATE! by alachua · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gamestop showed up to pick up their EB today, but were informed that since they didn't pre-order, there were none in stock for them. They were able to special order it, but it may be a few weeks.

    -Cliff

  26. On the other hand... by vhold · · Score: 1

    There is the distinct possibility that the big boxes had so many units because the small stores sold more PSPs at launch since they are the place people go for preorders.

    Probably an infinite number of people can preorder up to a certain date and that store will likely be guaranteed every unit it needs unless the demand is absolutely ridiculous. After that happens, the big box that doesn't take preorders appears to have a massive stock because all the launch day people already have theirs.

    Where I live, the California bay area, every single store sold out it's PSP launch stock and usually it's next couple shipments after that. The big boxes were cleaned out, so if you wanted it on the first day, a small store preorder would be the way to go.

  27. One man can make a (bad) difference by superultra · · Score: 4, Informative

    For all the people that complain about EB, when I worked at EB (3+ years as an assistant manager), there were good, solid, friendly people who visited our store more than once a week. They loved us, and we loved them. These people had been customers since opening day. Our relationships with these people reminded me very much of how it must have been like to run a smalltown hardware store at the turn of the century; we did them good by working deals in their favor when we could, and they always came to us when they bought games. Basically, the way business should work.

    That all changed when they brought Steve Morgan on board, maybe a year after I'd been working there. Up to that point, EB had been essentially a family business. The board had hired people from inside the company to run itself. But Morgan was from a department store. I knew someone who was inside the company enough to have talked to Morgan, and Morgan was quoted as saying that he'd never played a game in his life and never would. He didn't have children, and never wanted them.

    Joe Firestone, on the other hand, was CEO when Morgan was brought on. This guy exemplified leadership. He'd write inspirational, funny columns in our mailbox newsletter every week. Think of a fireside chat for video game employees. He knew what it was like to be one of us, and his emphasis was always the customer.

    The first thing Morgan did was set quotas on the stores for selling Game Doctors. It went downhill from there. When I left, they were changing the return policy to a Best Buy variant (you breath on it and you cannot refund it). He revamped the training that focused less on customer relationships and more on the bottom line.

    Firestone retired soon after they brought Morgan onboard. Jeff Griffiths replaced him, but it was clear even to the 5 hour a week part time employee that he was a puppet for Morgan. I haven't been in EB for two years now, but I have no doubt that Morgan had something to do with this buyout. Only people from outside the company, who had no vested interest in the company itself, no history, would have sold out EB.

    It's sad, actually. Many of the things people complain about when they're talking about EB stem from Morgan's policies. Sure, EB has always had arrogant assholes behind the counter or "unfair" trade-in values, but the underlying philosophy is now (obviously) completely different. The customers were first. Likewise, under Firestone, employees were treated fairly well and with respect. That started to change when Morgan came in.

    Morale of the story? Watch out for outsiders coming in, because they don't give a damn about anything except their own stock values - especially not the customer.

    I can't help but think that this decision hurts the people it really shouldn't hurt: the customers (who no have no choice or direct competition), and the hard working EB employees who will no doubt have to fend for their own jobs against longtime Gamestop employees. You think the clueless employees are bad now? Wait until EB/Gamestop starts to resemble the only competition they have left: Best Buy and Walmart. My guess is that the internal employee relations will reflect the same practices as Best Buy and Walmart too.

    Get out, video game store employees, while you can.

    1. Re:One man can make a (bad) difference by Da+Rabid+Duckie · · Score: 1

      Wow, that was pretty insightful, thanks.

      I've tried to remain optimistic about this, and perhaps a little too optimistic at times, but I did think about one thing. I've mentioned before that I've worked with both EB and Gamestop. Well, my term at Gamestop ended due to me quitting because of them trying to take me down because of theft on the manager's part. Now, I'm the manager of an EB. I wonder if they'll take the fact that I'm non-rehirable by Gamestop into consideration when the EB staff is assimilated by Gamestop.

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    2. Re:One man can make a (bad) difference by JadesFire · · Score: 1

      We have similar troubles these days, Duckie. It is pretty amazing the difference one person can have on a company. *sigh* Last year Waldens got a new president, and he just really emphasizes the numbers... He's one of those traveling corporate types who goes from company to company... He started with Border's, went to Ford, then came back as president of Waldens. No idea if that makes him an outsider or not, but he is pretty heavy with the customer service for the sake of the numbers rather than the customer. I'm pretty sure we annoy people now for some abstract, corporate idea of what customer service is. Waldens has been a part of Border's for just about always, but it's sad to see how things can change just with the hiring of one type of person.

  28. Screw'em both - GameCrazy rules! by JimTheta · · Score: 1

    Honestly, I never really could tell the difference between EB and GameStop. I don't know what niche GS and EB fill! You can find all that new crap at BB or Walmart. But if there's a good stock of used stuff, especially old school, I'll return often.

    Like GameCrazy - I love that place. They have old school games! And the employees are familiar with them! (At least, at the one near me!)

    I recently grabbed my bro's Genesis and got a replacement SNES from eBay... there's just something really appealing about the classics. Maybe it's because I'm old. I also got a NES and 2600.

    1. Re:Screw'em both - GameCrazy rules! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did it make you feel when all GameCrazies around the country threw all the Dreamcast jewel cases in the trashbin, next to the rare used strategy guides? How will you feel when they start doing the same for all games on all platforms that don't use Amaray-style DVD cases? All because they bothered to take that stuff into the store in the first place, without properly budgeting their space?

      GameCrazy suffers from a disease, and that disease is called "we're new and we don't know what we're doing, but we'll do it as fast as we can until we're successful, no matter what kind of gamers we piss off." Diagnosis: TERMINAL. OMG.

    2. Re:Screw'em both - GameCrazy rules! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh? the one near me still has the dreamcast games in their jewel cases, they have them inside a display case...

  29. ebgamer/gamestop both suck, use gogamer.com by araczynski · · Score: 0

    ...their prices are almost always cheaper, if you want new games that is. if you continue supporting (financially) the idiots at ebgames/gamestop they'll continue being the losers that they are, and milking all the kids of their lunch money.

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  30. Re:Consolidation !always= competition by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Simplifying the inventory is the opposite of what they should do. Lots of them are mall stores, and none of them have all that much space. Well, that's not true, there's a funcoland (or now, a gamestop) near santa clara someplace that's got a pretty big floor space, but in generally they're really small. Anyway, a game store without a selection might as well just close the door, because people will get tired of going there and not finding anything they're looking for. In fact, gamestop already cut off everything that I loved funcoland for; They dropped all pre-32 bit systems, and also stopped carrying stuff for sega saturn. Now I only go in for shit like cables and memory cards, and the occasional used game.

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  31. Think.. Who shops at Walmart for games by LordZardoz · · Score: 1

    From what I read about the PSP launch, the specialty retailers sold out of PSP's reasonably often, while the Walmart / Target type places had plenty on hand.

    The PSP appealed to hard core gamers willing to burn money for a PSP. More casual gamer types who tend to pick up games at Walmart were not about to burn that much for the console.

    END COMMUNICATION

  32. About Pre-Orders, and specialty vs Walmart by LordZardoz · · Score: 1

    Alot of people bash pre-orders and complain about how aggessive EB / Gamestop are in pushing them.

    However, Pre-Orders are probably the safest way for a specialty shop to go. Ordinarily, they would only order as many copies as they think will sell. Pre-orders are guaranteed sales. They know that the copy will be bought. They dont have to waste shelf space on it.

    In general, if you want to guarantee a game at launch, pre-order it. If you want to buy within a month or so of launch, go to Walmart and get the better price.

    If you want to buy a game several months past its launch date, and its a B grade title, you need to go to a specialty shop.

    The game is the same regardless where your buying it. Just know when you want it, and shop accordingly.

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  33. Re:Consolidation !always= competition by cgenman · · Score: 1

    I believe that's the Funcoland on Wolfe avenue near Valco Mall that you're referring to.

    The smaller funcolands, like the one in Tustin next to the Target there, used to keep their older games in drawers. That way their selection stayed large, but the store stayed relatively free of clutter. If you wanted to go diving into the NES section you could, but the casual gamer could walk in and get a new system and a new block of games without getting overwhelmed.

  34. Didn't see that one coming... by techstar25 · · Score: 1

    Next, I bet, you're gonna tell me that Adobe bought Macromedia. Now THAT would be crazy!

    1. Re:Didn't see that one coming... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that, but I heard Unisys and Sperry were thinking about merging.

      It's a crazy business world out there, but as long as they don't break up AT&T, it'll be OK.

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    2. Re:Didn't see that one coming... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Bah! I meant Burroughs and Sperry...

      Slow down, Cowboy...

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    3. Re:Didn't see that one coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did.

      When I go to GS or EB the guy at the counter always wants to talk shop, maybe it's because I am a girl, so I just tell him "I don't know what this is but its for my brother." The clerk shuts up right away and rings me up.

      I don't want to talk to you, I just want my game!

  35. Re:Consolidation !always= competition by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Yes, the funcoland (now gamestop) in Capitola (behind the mall) used to keep their used games in drawers, too. Actually, gamestop still has games for which they have no covers in drawers, but they never have anything good, as store employees will often buy them and put them on ebay. In other words, exactly what I would do if I worked there.

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  36. Other than for used games by aztektum · · Score: 2, Funny

    There *IS* no market competition for new games. 49.99 or 49.96 at Wal*Mart so they can still claim to be the "Low price leader". Gamestop and EB? Oh look 49.99. At least at Best Buy or Wal*Mart you don't have the community college dropout that works there pestering you to pre-order every over hyped future bomb.

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    1. Re:Other than for used games by hords · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I get my new games cheaper by buying them at Costco. They don't carry a big selection, but they are usually $5 to $10 cheaper on brand new titles.

    2. Re:Other than for used games by mconeone · · Score: 1

      Sam's club also sells games.

  37. pff by eamonman · · Score: 1

    Just go to Frys if there's one in your area. They often offer lower than usual prices on games that bave been out 0-2 weeks. The only good thing about these two clone stores (EB and Gamestop) is their used games. This merger won't affect me much.

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  38. Gamestop Sore Spot by Reapy · · Score: 1

    I've always had a sore spot with gamestop from when they were babbages. Or maybe they bought babbages, who knows. All I know is at one point there opened up a computer store and it was amazing, it was the only one in the area.

    After about 5 or 6 years an EB finally opened its doors across the way. Everything in EB was 10 dollars cheaper. I guess it was the standard. Instantly all Babbages prices dropped 10 bucks and they had a price matching plan where if you saw something in EB cheaper you could walk over and tell them and get it matched down.

    Still made me sorta hate babbages for marking everything up when they had the monopoly on the area.

    Hey buisness is buisness, I get it, but I still check EB first everytime.

    As a side note, I have noticed that in the EB's i've been going to the pc game section has pretty much shrunk down to a shelf or two while the consols take over the store. Sorta makes me sad. But the areas I've been to are definatly the types where they are going to get a lot of used game traffic for consols and there really arent many "pc gaming" types in the area.

  39. The B&N Monopoly! Not really though. by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

    Well, I work at the local Barnes and Noble (the only B&N in the world to have an EB Games on the same strip (since as you may not know, Barnes and Noble owns GameStop) and now well, it doesn't really matter that they don't have GameStop near them. Hmm, I wonder if I get discounts at EB Games now... even though I sort of did before, through connections and friends. This is very interesting though.

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  40. Shop-worn. by Inoshiro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "The other thing I have an issue with is how EB has a habit of opening a new copy of a game to be able to put it on the display shelf. If it's the last copy in stock, they want to sell it to you at the price of a new game, even though the goo from the 5 stickers that have been put on the case and the discs that have just been kept in a drawer somewhere can put the game in a condition that can be worse than many used games."

    Demand the 10% shop-worn discount. Managers have been told forever that they're not supposed to use it, but they will if you ask for it politely enough.

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  41. Gaming in the UK by rishistar · · Score: 1

    It seems the UK our GAME set of stores might have been an alternative target. The Game group actually bought the UK Electronic Boutique stores out a few years back as well.

    http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/04/19/game_g roup_takeover_talks_end/

    Game Group takeover talks end

    Game Group, the UK computer games retailer, yesterday said takeover talks with a mystery suitor had ended. Shares slumped by a quarter on the news. Shareholder speculation about a bid flushed out a statement by Game Group on 31 confirming talks.

    The company refused to say who and why, but unnamed sources quoted by Reuters, say there is a "connection between the collapse of talks and the $1.44bn acquisition of Electronics Boutique by its bigger US rival GameStop Corp", announced yesterday.

    In a statement today, Game Group said it expects challenging 2005, thanks to price deflation. But March was good, with like-for-sales up eight per cent on last year. For the full year, the retailer pulled in pre-tax profits of £31.9m.

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  42. EB and GS? Too expensive... by NeuralClone · · Score: 1

    This is all I need to fulfill my gaming needs:
    GoGamer.com

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  43. No, I meant fitness for a particular purpose... by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ivan256, the original poster, used this one incident to imply that Electronics Boutique has a corporate directive to break the law.

    Many states disallow waiver of the implied warranty of fitness for a particular purpose. When a game shop sells, for example, a PC game with system requirements listed on the side of the box, it's implied that the software contained in that box is fit to run on the specified hardware. In the past EB would accept returns of games. If you bought a game that was buggy and crashed frequently you could simply return the game to the store.

    I live in Massachusetts. It's one of the states that disallows the waiver of implied warranties. Under EB's new return policy, you can't return software that has been open unless you're exchanging it for another copy of the same title. If the game doesn't work, then that policy is against the law.

    What makes this worse is that they falsely claim that this policy exists to prevent piracy. If this were the case, they wouldn't let you sell the game back to them for trade-in credit... The policy change, illegally, in order to prop up their high margin used games business.

    1. Re:No, I meant fitness for a particular purpose... by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Every game store does this, and it is to prevent piracy. EB lets you sell the game back to them for $5 or so. That's not a return, and it doesn't at all encourage piracy except among very stupid people.

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    2. Re:No, I meant fitness for a particular purpose... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Every game store does this, and it is to prevent piracy.

      It's bullshit, and it's illegal.

      Also, for new games, EB doesn't give you $5, they give you 75% of the purchase price.

    3. Re:No, I meant fitness for a particular purpose... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then do something other than bitch online about it.

      Boo hoo, game stores won't let you take back opened software. Better start an internet e-petition or something to correct this horrible injustice.

    4. Re:No, I meant fitness for a particular purpose... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop trying to pirate games, ivan.

    5. Re:No, I meant fitness for a particular purpose... by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      I knew some people in the early days of CD recording before all the crappy CD copy protection was in place, that would buy a game, copy it, then return it to get another game and copy it then return it and ad a nauseum.

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    6. Re:No, I meant fitness for a particular purpose... by Flendon · · Score: 1

      Its been along time since I've had a need to return software and I hadn't realized EB had changed policy. It used to be that all stores except EB and Gamestop had these policies. I've had the problem of software not working for me before even though my computer met the requirments and other stores refused to refund my money. "We only offer an exchange for the same item, thats the law!" When I would ask the manager to explain which law they never could, but remained stubborn on the subject even when I brought in various copies of the law. This is why I stopped buying from anywhere but those two stores.

      As others have pointed out most malls EB and Gamestop are just a few feet from each other and the local BB or Walmart. This will only hurt gamers. In addition to being one less decent store to buy from the square footage of gaming stores in the malls will be halved. And no I don't believe for a second they will just double the size of the one store.

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    7. Re:No, I meant fitness for a particular purpose... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      "We only offer an exchange for the same item, thats the law!"

      It's funny that they would tell you that's the law when the law is actually exactly the opposite of that in most places.

      Best Buy, at least around here, claims they don't take returns on software because of the chance of spreading computer viruses. They have little signs printed up clip to the front of the shelves.

  44. I don't think your even close to reality. by Roguejoe · · Score: 1

    Why push "PreOrders" as you call them?
    We 'push' reservations for upcoming titles because it 1) saves us a ton of money on games that people say they they want, publishers hype like mad, and no one buys; 2)because it is a gaurenteed game for you on release day. It doesn't even cost you anything! $5 that goes to the price of the game anyway. Now, are some employees to pushy about it? Yea, there will always be those people.

    Let me point something else out to you. Our stock on hand levels and initial shipments of games are based on # of reservations and popularity. Why didn't your EB/GS have enough of that title? Because of people like you who have to bitch about preorders.

    Next: "then there's no reason not to buy your games at Wal-Mart."
    Here's a reason. When was the last time you could go and pick a game off the shelf at WM and have even a remote chance that any employee in that entire store had played the game, and was able to tell you if you'd like it based on other games you've played and liked?
    Not enough? How about the fact that both EB and GS have a price match policy?

    Next: "they should have a return policy that doesn't violate the laws of most states."
    Now, I don't know much about the laws of the other 49 states in this country, but I do know that MY GS follows every law of my state, to the fullest of our ability. As far as our return polocies being unfair... How? You might be able to just bitch about it because we won't take that PC game you took home, burned, and now want 100% back. You open a new game, take it home, play it for 5 minutes and decide it's a shitty game. Did you even try to ask us if it was good? At least 80% of the time we'll know. It's what we're paid to know. And if we don't, buy the used copy that is a) cheaper and b) has a 7 day satisfaction full return.

    As far as poor customer service goes, that's completly a personal opinion about that single, individual location. It does not reflect either anyone elses experiance in GS or EB nor does it mean that anyone of the 4k stores worldwide will have the same horrible service. To be quite honest, Go shop at WalMart. I'm happier w/o your $ in my till. Gives me more time to talk with the people who do want to come into my store and enjoy gameing.

  45. it's your fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hey! just so ya'll know, it's your own fault that the once great return policies turned to shit. As a former employee of GS (with many *friends* who work at EB) the customers are the ones who ended the great return policies. First, flagrant abuse that resulted in "renting" games at $50. and then one of you jagoffs sued the companies for selling them a "rented" copy of some game that was shitty that you paid too much for in the first place.
    what you really need to remember is this:
    when you play a cd or dvd in your system all that it get exposed to is photons. yes,
    (ph)ucking photons. Unfortunatly, this lead to it being cost "ineffective" to continue these policies. Check around, Blockbuster had something similiar, toys r us, eB and gamestop all had similiar, then one by one they changed. all from class action suits (the rumor was that one person or group started each one).
    SO a) don't blame the companies for doing something cost effective, cause if they don't then anything that you do like about them will change when they go belly up! and b) if you were any good at video games in the first place you could beat them and trade 'em in within the first month and get $30 value for it.

    as for gs and eb merging.... on the one hand i think great, a bigger rival for wal-mart.
    on the other, it's sad to see the lack of competition, and the fact that none of you guys realize that the only way to get wal-mart to stop their underhanded business practices and lack of competant....anyone, is not, i repeat NOT FUCKING SHOP THERE. but what the hell do i know i didn't make them the largest corporation in the world. you did. and so did your four toothed sister(/mother/cousin/aunt/wife whichever and/or all that fit. and if you don't understand you probably rode the short bus didn't you).