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Opera's CEO to Swim From Norway to the USA

Viggeh! writes "An overly excited Jon S. von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software, today proclaimed at an internal company meeting that if the download numbers of the new Opera 8 Web browser reach 1 million within the first four days of the launch, he will swim from Norway to the USA with only one stop-over for a cup of hot chocolate at his mother's house in his home country, Iceland. The new browser was released Tuesday and was downloaded 600.000 times in the first 48 hours since release. The challenge will end on Saturday at 0900 a.m. CET, so if you want to try out some new software and make the CEO stick to his big words, download it at Opera's webpage(direct link)."

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  1. Well then. by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess he doesn't have much faith in his own product eh?

    1. Re:Well then. by Craig_P92669 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Somebody want to mention this to SCO? Surely there's a million people here that would pay $695 to see a certain somebody freeze his nads off and get hypothermia.

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    2. Re:Well then. by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "He probably likes his product but does not believe its useful for everyone. This is why would he would be surprised to see a million downloads that soon."

      This is obviously a load of crap. 600K downloads in 48 hours? How would he be surprised to see a million downloads soon?

      Heh... one day after the story about PR firms, and we're still discussing this?

      This is a friggin' press release for god's sake. The CEO is not surprised about anything. This whole outrageous statement was no doubt just a plan to stir up attention. And no guarantee that Opera didn't pay to have this story published in Slashdot anyway.

      -a

  2. lets get him... by HTL2001 · · Score: 3, Funny

    slashdot should be able to crank up that number, so long as the web server doesn't go down

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    1. Re:lets get him... by sharkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      On Slashdot, the webservers are the ONLY things that ever "go down".

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    2. Re:lets get him... by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 5, Funny
      [...] so long as the web server doesn't go down

      A tiny script runs on the Opera web server...waiting...watching...

      #! /bin/sh
      # Author : Jon S. von Tetzcher
      # Purpose: Please god, I don't wanna die!

      if [ $(cat /var/log/opera8_download_counter) == 999999 ]
      then
      /sbin/ifdown eth0
      fi
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    3. Re:lets get him... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      YES! I KNOW IT'S A JOKE, HOWEVER ....

      Dude! That is a crappy bit of code. The likelihood
      of it ever working is vanishingly small.

      Several problems:

      Because your test is not synchronized with the
      download counter your chances of stopping
      at 999999 are, well, like winning the lottery.

      Having determined that there have been 999999
      downloads there is a nasty race condition before
      the interface is brought down.

      Believe it or not, once the counter reaches 999999
      the number of downloads may be higher because
      the process updating the counter hasn't committed
      its changes yet.

      For extra credit I advise that you go away and
      rethink your solution otherwise your boss will
      be pissed at having to swim through shark
      infested water. I also see a pink slip on
      your horizon.

      - Moomin

    4. Re:lets get him... by Afrosheen · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Irish P45's are pantone 1511, "Guinness Brown".

  3. 600.000 times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    talk about overusing significant digits

    1. Re:600.000 times by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      In parts of Europe, numbers are delimited with a period "." rather than a comma ",".

      Therefore, 600.000 is 600,000.

    2. Re:600.000 times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In parts of Europe, people blatantly unable to grasp the basics of humour are called Americans.

    3. Re:600.000 times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, because we spell it humor.

    4. Re:600.000 times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, we spell "it" the same way you do.

    5. Re:600.000 times by thefirelane · · Score: 2, Funny

      talk about overusing significant digits

      Yeah, every where I look, another number beginning with 6. I agree, it is overused.

    6. Re:600.000 times by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

      He just said that Americans are a joke.

      Go bomb him.

    7. Re:600.000 times by biglig2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah-ha! Then since von Tetzchner is European, he must be an extraordinary immortal. That's why he's going to be able to survive the swim!

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  4. Finally! by MrChris2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A piece of slashvertising I can get behind.

    Opera rocks and this sort of daft challenge whilst obviously ridiculous is just the sort of fun way of marketing the browser I like.

  5. IT: Opera's CEO drowns off coast of Norway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Posted by Zonk on 08:51 AM -- Friday April 29 2005
    from the friday-morning-swim dept.
    Viggeh! writes "An overly excited Jon S. von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software, today drowned off the coast of Norway after promising to swim to America if Opera managed a million downloads in its first four days. Everyone at Opera is quite sad, but they promise Opera 8.1 will have even more features because that's what he would've wanted. He leaves behind 7 computers, a wife, and 2 children."

    1. Re:IT: Opera's CEO drowns off coast of Norway by hawk · · Score: 2, Funny
      >He leaves behind 7 computers, a wife, and 2 children."

      This only seems to allow for three more major releases . . .

      :)

      hawk

  6. Well finally! by biglig2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've seen the slashdot effect kill many a server over the years, but at last we take it to the next level. Hit that link enough, and a man will die!

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  7. Cold by provolt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can anyone really swim across the northern Atlantic? I would have thought he would freeze.

    Perhaps he'll get on a cruise ship and spend the whole time in the pool?

    1. Re:Cold by werfele · · Score: 2, Informative

      Tetzchner would not be the first. Benoit Lecomte swam the Atlantic in 1998.

    2. Re:Cold by Manuel+Lafond · · Score: 4, Funny

      DO NOT underestimate Iceland people
      they are all giant hairy barbarians with 100 % cold resistance

      and sometimes they develop software

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  8. Direct Link to Win32 version by Leknor · · Score: 5, Informative

    For such a geek heavy site as /. you'd think a download link would be to a platform select page and not the windows installer.

    Here is a better download link: http://www.opera.com/download/ Unfortunately not all platforms have an Opera 8 download yet.

  9. He'll be disappointed... by SFA_AOK · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when he gets turned away my US immigration and has t oswim back home.

    1. Re:He'll be disappointed... by say · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, Gov. Schwarzenegger will be there pushing him back in the water telling him the borders are closed.

      Uhm.. I doubt he's gonna land in California. Check your world map :-)

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    2. Re:He'll be disappointed... by Fwonkas · · Score: 3, Funny
      Uhm.. I doubt he's gonna land in California. Check your world map :-)
      What do you think the Panama Canal was built for?
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  10. Why, exactly... by Eivind · · Score: 2, Informative
    Can anyone tell me why, exactly, the "direct link" to download Opera from Slashdot points to the Windows version ?

    One would assume, if noone else, atleast Slashdot is aware that there *are* other OSes out here. (and Opera supports quite a few of them)

    1. Re:Why, exactly... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Can anyone tell me why, exactly, the "direct link" to download Opera from Slashdot points to the Windows version ?

      Because this gives a lot of posters getting positive moderation by pointing out this fact, giving a link to the general download page (the latter is almost guaranteed to get +5 Informative) or maybe even by making fun of it.
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    2. Re:Why, exactly... by jcuervo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not to mention the modding-up for the people who explain it.

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    3. Re:Why, exactly... by jcuervo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But not, apparently, those that reply to those that make fun of those who explain it.

      Wonder how long this thread can go and keep getting modded up.

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    4. Re:Why, exactly... by Binestar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not to mention the modding-up for the people who explain it.

      Add in the modding up of the person who points out that the person who explained the modding up procedure is being modded up and it's a full blown mod orgy.

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  11. In other words... by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In other words:

    "I don't think there is a chance in hell of our getting a million downloads in four days, so I will make this grandiose gesture knowing full well I will never have to put up on it - much like the Taco Bell/MIR offer.

    However, I will use this PR stunt to get lots of free advertising from lazy reporters who are too stupid to figure out how I am using them."

  12. Shenanigans. by leetdan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is an interesting, and likely successful, publicity stunt. But aren't the waters of the North Atlantic, you know, balls cold? And doesn't the gulfstream tend to flow, you know, the opposite direction?

    This is most definitely not happening.

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    1. Re:Shenanigans. by ildon · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is most definitely not happening.

      REALLY?????

    2. Re:Shenanigans. by mforbes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      First, the Gulf Stream doesn't extend that far north. Take a look at the wiki for it.
      However, if he were swimming against it (instead of north it and perpendicular (roughly) to the current of the North Atlantic Drift), he'd be lucky to make any headway at all. The average speed of the Gulf Current is around 5 knots (or is that nauts? I've never been sure which is correct). Now, I've done a mile swim numerous times-- I was on swim/dive as a kid-- and I KNOW it takes me about 18-20 minutes to swim an imperial mile. Considering a nautical mile is even longer, I really doubt I'd make any progress swimming against that current! Take that & multiply by however many miles it is from Norway to Maine... I don't even want to imagine trying.

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  13. One word: by p3d0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wetsuit.

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    1. Re:One word: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well of course his suit will become wet, dumbass, he's gonna be SWIMMING!

      P.S.: if you rate this "flame/troll" you'd better get a sense of humor. And no they don't sell those at Wal-Mart.

    2. Re:One word: by Excelsior · · Score: 4, Funny

      One word: Shrinkage

      Opera calls their tiny products "embedded".

  14. Yeah, but which norway by rde · · Score: 5, Informative

    Being the suspicious slashdotter that I am, I suspected that a) there was a town in Norway called USA (unlikely), or b) there was a town in America called Norway (almost certain).

    Sure enough, there's Norway, Maine.

    Shouldn't take him that long.

    1. Re:Yeah, but which norway by Nept · · Score: 2, Funny

      yea, possibly. Though in that case, it's the stopover in iceland for a cup of hot chocolate that's going to kill him.

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    2. Re:Yeah, but which norway by TheWormThatFlies · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sure enough, there's Norway, Maine. Shouldn't take him that long.

      ...except for that stopover in Iceland (described as "his home country", so no wriggling out of that one).

    3. Re:Yeah, but which norway by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does the Iceland chain of supermarkets count? :-)

  15. No point. by whitetiger0990 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't see a point... I bet a lot of people will just download it just to see him swim. Then later uninstall it. I'll do that tonight. I wanna see if he holds his words.

    Ooo wait... maybe Bill Gates will do something better so that people will keep IE. I could see it now. "Bill Gates jumps pit of acid and a large tub of sharks with laser beams attached to their heads (and it was on fire)."

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  16. The obvious answer by ggvaidya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's MARKETING!

    I hadn't heard about Opera 8, and if it wasn't for the slashvertisement, I'd've been in the dark.

    This is well timed - just today I installed iTunes, was completely bowled over, and was wondering - if a non-free music player can be this cool, what about a non-free web browser?

    nice to see them CEOs get out of the comfy office once in a while ...

    1. Re:The obvious answer by AlexMax2742 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is. Contrary to Slashdot popular beleif, it IS possible to get a great product by paying for it.

      Opera is one of them. Sure it seems 'bloated' at first, but most of it is because of lots of little toolbars that you can turn off and never see again within 4 seconds. And even with all this "bloat", it seems to be a lot snappier than Mozilla Firefox. And there are lot of little gemstones around the program that you keep discovering the more you use it. Some of these gem's you'll love and start using on a regular basis (one example of mine was the "drag over a non hypertext URL and right click it and choose "Go to URL"), and others that annoy you (The totally unnecissary chat client) you can turn off and never have to bother with again.

      And if the thought of banner ad's for the unpaid version feaks you out, you can even switch the ads to a Google AdWrods bar that's a lot thinner than the standard banner ad....and I know I sure as hell don't mind AdWords, even on webpages.

      Give it a try. I've been using the free version since 6.xx, and every time I've tried any other web browser, I've always wound up coming back.

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  17. Downloaded.... by CypherXero · · Score: 4, Funny

    OK, I downloaded Opera...wait, I have Mozilla Firefox...

    *Drags ow32enen800.exe to the trash...

    Opps, I hope the download number didn't go up ;)

    1. Re:Downloaded.... by Rits · · Score: 2, Informative

      A few minutes browsing yields this:

      http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/compare/
      http://www.opera.com/features/

      You might not need a feature-rich browser, but it is obvious that firefox does not 'do it all' for free.

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  18. I'll do my part to save this man's life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    by not downloading Opera

    1. Re:I'll do my part to save this man's life by Kombat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I'm waiting until Sunday. Don't want another man's death on my conscience.

      "Another?" How many deaths are already on your conscience???

      (It's funny, laugh)

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  19. Meanwhile in Seattle by cOdEgUru · · Score: 3, Funny

    While the rest of the world continue downloading furiously, Bill keeps his GPS_enabled, Laser_attached pet sharks ready off the coast of norway.

    Muwaaahhaahaha

  20. In other news... by justforaday · · Score: 5, Funny

    For some reason 950,000 copies of Opera have suddenly been downloaded by an IP block owned by a company in Redmond, Washington.

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  21. No, he's more eccentric than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's installed a swimming pool in his private jet. He'll swim around it while his jet flies from Norway to the US.

  22. Re:Why will he do this? by geoffspear · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why do you continue to breathe?

    Does your breathing improve my web browser's performance somehow?

    Do you, through breathing, disrupt Microsoft's monopoly or create world peace?

    No, it does not. Your continued living is therefore pointless. Please die.

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  23. Distributed Murder by EnsilZah · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would that be a Distributed Murder Attack?

  24. No way! by Walkiry · · Score: 5, Funny

    Din't you read this?: with only one stop-over for a cup of hot chocolate at his mother's house in his home country, Iceland.

    He's an Icelander. He's one of the guys who grew up reading things like Njal's Saga, playing with his friends at being Gunnar or Kári and beting each other with wooden swords, playing with snow outside at some -10C and under blizzards and getting his head messed up with the perma-summer-light/almost no light seasonal cycle.

    If one of these guys says he's swimming accross the Atlantic, I'd advise to my good american friends to lock themselves in their houses and get ready for a raid.

    I lived 2 years in Iceland; let me tell you, it was fun there :D

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    1. Re:No way! by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah, ah,
      We come from the land of the ice and snow,
      from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
      The hammer of the gods
      Will drive our ships to new lands,
      To fight the horde, singing and crying:
      Valhalla, I am coming!
      On we sweep with threshing oar,
      Our only goal will be the western shore.

      Ah, ah,
      We come from the land of the ice and snow,
      from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
      How soft your fields so green,
      Can whisper tales of gore,
      Of how we calmed the tides of war.
      We are your overlords.
      On we sweep with threshing oar,
      Our only goal will be the western shore.
      So now you'd better stop and rebuild all your ruins,
      For peace and trust can win the day
      Despite of all your losing.

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    2. Re:No way! by Scaba · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also, he was subjected to hearing Bjork for much longer than the rest of the world. Swimming 5000 miles in icy water is a relief by comparison.

  25. Cruise Ship by Ranger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All he has to do is get on a cruise ship with a swimming pool that is going from Norway to the USA. And he can swim in it 24x7. So technically he is swimming from there to here. That way he doesn't have to worry about things like hypothermia, sharks, giant squid, icebergs, polar bears, or being attacked by a creche of killer penguins.

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  26. Not possible by hanssprudel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In case anybody is wondering - of course that cannot be done. While the atlantic ocean has been swum, it was done by swimming six hours a day in two hour intervals (and took almost 80 days). And the person who did it was a highly trained swimmer, not a corporate CEO.

    Also, going via Iceland might be a bad idea - since in the north atlantic he will freeze to death without a dry suit. And try surface swimming six hours with a dry suit some time...

  27. Why not something realistic? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why not something realistic, like shaving his head or swimming say, the English Channel? That's only a tens of miles and yet swimming in the ocean (away from the shore) is SO hard that people die trying to swim just that far. No one can or will ever swim the Atlantic without major help from medicine or technology.

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  28. Re:Why will he do this? by ureshii_akuma · · Score: 2, Funny

    >Will it create world peace?

    Ah, here you need to think, "out-side-the-box," as my dear managing friends with their minds stuck in dreams of the '90s would say.

    You see, during his trip, he is surely to begin to drown. At this point, a beautiful mermaid will rescue him, and take him to a wonderous city under the sea. Here, not only will he learn true love and the meaning of Christmas, but he will also learn the secret to world peace.

    Having also learned the secret ways of the merfolk mystics, he will emerge from the depths and proceed to bring a wave of peace and prosperity to the entire world. The fact that he brings this about through a massive invading merfolk army is a minor detail, one that will surely be forgotten in the history books, where children of the future shall learn how wonderous it is to be alive in a world of peace.

  29. One word: by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shrinkage.

  30. yeah, ok, sure, I'll do it. by danalien · · Score: 2, Funny
    wget -O - -q "http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?id=26662&loc ation=29&nothanks=yes&sub=marine" > /dev/null

    all to see him eat his words =)

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  31. easy by mshiltonj · · Score: 4, Funny
    while [ 1 ] ;
    do GET 'http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?id=26712 ' > /dev/null ;
    done ;

    C'mon in, the water's fine.

  32. Re:IT: In further news... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Eyewitnesses have reported a Microsoft corporate jet in the area where von Tetzcher was last seen. According to one witness, the jet descended to just above sea level, and dropped a largem ferocious-looking fish with some sort of optical device attached to its head, into the water".

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  33. like the old Burma-shave promotion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    He'll choose a 'Norway' other than the country if they hit the download mark.

    Burma-shave had a contest in 1955 to send someone to Mars (whoever was first to send in 900 empty jars of Burma-shave). An enterprising grocery store owner in Wisconsin took up the challenge and called the company's bluff.

    Burma-shave ended up sending him to Moers, Germany for a nice vacation.

    http://www.snopes.com/business/market/mars.asp has a writeup, for anyone feeling nostalgic.

  34. Read the press release by Tom · · Score: 5, Informative

    You should really read the press release that is on their main site.

    It's so much tongue-in-cheek that it stops just short of saying outright "yes, it's a joke".

    Then again, it's very refreshing to see that a corporate PR department can still get away with cheap shots at the CEO. Choice quote: "However, having seen Jon in his red beach attire before, I am not sure if swimming to the USA is scarier than exposing people to this sight."

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    1. Re:Read the press release by Klivian · · Score: 3, Informative

      >have a nice attitude, they don't take themselves too seriously.
      Corporate culture in Norway are very different from what people are used to from Amercan companies.

  35. I tried it once by btarval · · Score: 5, Funny
    It's possible to swin across the Atlantic, but man, is it tough!

    I tried it once. I actually made it half-way across before I got too tired and had to turn around and go back.

    :)

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  36. The name of the Beast has a number by tepples · · Score: 2, Funny

    every where I look, another number beginning with 6.

    <aol>Me too!</aol> All I see is six, six, six. Six-hundred sixty-six. Beastly, isn't it?

  37. small shell script? by infinite9 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like you're trying to replace the CEO of opera with a small shell script! :-D

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  38. Re:Attack on hotmail? Google maps? by Rits · · Score: 2, Interesting

    About the Hotmail issue: there are limits to the webcoding stupidity that a browser can fix.

    http://my.opera.com/hallvors/journal/37

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  39. Re:Jon will swim (European humour is sick) by Rits · · Score: 2, Informative

    Download.com didn't start counting this last Tuesday... The screenshot they have is from 7.5x.

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  40. I feel a little odd now.... by dickeya · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...knowing I just downloaded a piece of software with no intention of using it just to see someone perform a task during which they will surely die.

    What support group do I go to for this?

  41. Why should I buy? by firephreek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I went through the site, saw the screen shots...What is the difference between this and Firefox? I'm not too familiar with this thing called Opera, I've only watched it here and there. What makes it worth the $40?

  42. not to be outdone... by lost+in+place · · Score: 2, Funny

    In other news, the CEO of Intel declared that he is looking for a copy of the April 19, 1965 issue of Electronics containing Moore's original article predicting 'Moore's Law.' "If I can find one", he declared, "I will personally swim from Santa Clara, California to Phoenix, Arizona!" After aides pointed out to him that there is technically no waterway connecting the two cities, he announced that his decision was not yet final and "some details still had to be worked out". Speaking on condition of anonymity, several top PR flacks worldwide expressed concern that this whole thing was getting out of hand.

  43. Re:IT: In further news... by neolith · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...dropped a largem ferocious-looking fish with some sort of optical device attached to its head...

    What would a shark do with an intellimouse(tm)?

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  44. Re:IT: In further news... by Loko+Draucarn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Still, he's Icelandic. He should have no trouble with a shark. (1)

    The only thing to worry about is the lasers, and a reflective bodysuit would handle that pretty well. (Of course, then he looks like the Silver Surfer, and then we've got Galactus to worry about.)

  45. Re:Who cares? by fidelius · · Score: 2, Informative

    Opera's generally faster than Firefox, and handles tabbed windows in a much more intelligent way. Though you can get most of the same functionality from FF with plugins Opera works properly from the get go.

    If you use POP mail the M2 mail client is also great, though it takes some getting used to. Works on filters rather than folders, much like Gmail.

    The Opera/FF war is always flamebait, so I won't say Opera's best for everyone, but if you haven't looked at it already it's worth trying.

  46. Re:ISO 8601 by magetoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't understand how "USA! USA! USA!" can possibly top "geeky correct". It's so obvious the right way is YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS it hurts.

    How TF can a date format that automatically sorts correctly be wrong?

  47. Re:Where is the outrage? by hkmwbz · · Score: 2, Informative
    "So, by downloading and using Opera you're supporting adware."
    Nothing wrong with that. Adware != spyware.
    "Imagine the outrage that would occur if Internet Explorer included ads built into the browser and Microsoft offered to remove them if you paid for it. I do believe there would be lawsuits galore. I searched through the comments to this post, and I saw nothing mentioning these forced ads."
    Forced ads? Lawsuits? First of all, you already pay for IE. It's part of the Windows OS, which is not free. Secondly, Opera is the only independent browser vendor (IE = Microsoft, Mozilla = IBM, Nokia, Sun, etc.), and no one is forcing you to use Opera. However, you can use it for free in ad sponsored mode, or you can buy it to get rid of the ads.

    Opera has to fund development somehow, and basically your comment is nothing but FUD.

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